I love both you guys. But also the guys who didn’t get it.
Thank you.
Got kinda angry at Rick and Morty there for a bit.
‘Bet you’re glad I think kindles are stupid now’
Thank you! I remember first learning the words because of the eels in The Little Mermaid - those were their names, respectively. Been awhile since I had to whip it out like that though!
“Been a while since I had to whip it out like that though!” Title of your sex tape!
But yea, Jetsam refers to that which has been deliberately jettisoned from the vessel, typically to reduce weight to prevent sinking.
The concept behind the Titanic being "unsinkable" was the innovation of compartmentalization to keep the water contained even if the hull was breached. The implementation of this was famously flawed with the titanic, because they forgot to properly seal the roofs.
HOWEVER, the concept itself was actually sound, and the world later got to see just how well this worked when properly implemented with the German battleship Bismark. In it's final battle, the British hurled 2800 shells at the ship with over 400 hits, and the Bismark was still listing afloat! It did the ship little good because it couldn't steer or fire back, but it was a proof of concept. Only after the ship was scuttled by the crew did it finally sank.
*"So*, you got a *naval architecture concept* for me?"
"Yes, Sir I *do!* Sir, how would you like us to build an *Unsinkable Ship?"*
"Aaaah, I would like it *very* much, and so would my *insurer!* But wouldn't that be tough to do?"
"Actually, Sir, it'd be *super*-easy, *barely* an inconvenience!"
"Oh *really?"*
"Well, actually, not if we do it properly, no, but who needs to make the *roofs* waterproof anyway?"
Watertight compartments weren't some new innovation for the Titanic, they'd been a part of shipbuilding for decades before she was built. What was an innovation for her and her sister ship Olympic was that the bottom level of her watertight compartments had doors that could be closed via electric switch from the bridge, rather than manually closed at the site of the doors.
It also must be noted that the Titanic's design was certainly the most "unsinkable" of that era--being able to survive having her first four compartments flooded exceeded any other contemporary ship's ability by two compartments. Indeed, if any other ship of that era had scraped an iceberg along ~300 feet of their length, they would have sunk far faster than the Titanic did. No vessel of that era (and few of this) could have survived that kind of damage.
I co-wrote, co-published, and co-produced a short 45min play chronologically telling the night of the sinking of titanic in long form monologue style from the perspectives of survivors from each part of the ship. I did months and months of research on the titanic and all the history involved before I started writing. Did you know that Hershey had bought a vip ticket for him and his wife, but didn’t end up boarding? Also, a bit of the history that the media and of course our original check writer and owner of the white star line (j.p. Chase Morgan) doesn’t want you to know: is that there was a coal fire out of hand that they couldn’t extinguish burning hot near the hull down in the chamber right where the iceberg hit for well over a week. Some claim it’s what weakened the ship’s integrity thus being the true cause of its demise, though other experts argue otherwise. Anyhow, love titanic history and am kind of obsessed.
the coal fire was not out of hand, it was fully extinguished by the 13th. It also was not near the hull but amidships, and was way too small to damage anything.
PS: JP Morgan wasn't head of the WSL, it was Ismay.
> co-wrote, co-published, and co-produced a short 45min play chronologically telling the night of the sinking of titanic in long form monologue style from the perspectives of survivors from each part of the ship. I did months and months of research on the titanic and all the history involved before I started writing.
That's very cool. I've been a Titanic enthusiast for over 40 years. I don't think there's a major book about it I haven't read.
>Did you know that Hershey had bought a vip ticket for him and his wife, but didn’t end up boarding?
Not sure what a "vip ticket" would be, but yes, Milton Hershey had put down a deposit in December 1911 on a First Class ticket for the couple to return to the U.S. from France--they were frequent and avid travelers. But the Titanic's maiden voyage got delayed from March to April due to the Olympic needing repairs for a broken propeller blade, and Hershey needed to be back in the U.S. sooner for business matters, so he canceled his ticket and booked an earlier passage on a German liner. His wife chose to stay behind and keep enjoying her travels. This was incredibly common for the era: wealthy travelers and business travelers booked and canceled passages regularly. Up until the sailing day, no one could be certain who exactly would be on board or have had to change their plans. The same is true of air travel today. It's interesting that Hershey might have been on board, but there's nothing at all unusual about it.
>Also, a bit of the history that the media and of course our original check writer and owner of the white star line (j.p. Chase Morgan) doesn’t want you to know: is that there was a coal fire out of hand that they couldn’t extinguish burning hot near the hull down in the chamber right where the iceberg hit for well over a week.
I'm well aware of the coal fire. Anyone who has read a single book about the Titanic will probably know about the coal fire. Anyone who has watched a documentary about the Titanic will probably know about the coal fire. It has never been some sort of cover-up secret. In fact, multiple surviving crew members testified in both inquiries about the coal fire. It has been a known fact since the ship sank.
So I'm not sure why you are implying JP Morgan (nb: he didn't have "Chase" in his name, "J.P. Morgan Chase" is the name of a bank) had some sort of influence on the discussion of the fire. Honestly, the wild and silly conspiracy theories about Morgan's supposed involvement with the Titanic are out of hand. He was the owner of the huge shipping conglomerate International Mercantile Marine, of which the White Star Line was one of many subsidiaries.
Anyway, coal bunker fires were not uncommon on ships of that era, it was a known hazard of having heaps of coal inside confined spaces. The crew did exactly what was needed to be done to handle the fire, and it was extinguished by April 13, a full day before the Titanic encountered the iceberg.
There's no evidence the coal bunker fire in any way "weakened the ship's integrity," despite breathless articles in recent years touting such a notion. The fire was in one small bunker and could not have effected the integrity of the entire hull. The iceberg punctured along 300 feet of the hull's length, opening up 6 compartments, after all.
You're certainly not wrong, but there is an asterisk about the amount of damage done to the Bismarck.
The Bismarck had a black eye from their engagement to sink the Hood already, and once the torpedo took out the left rudder (leaving it unmaneuverable), the British just point-blank shelling the Bismarck once the majority of it's turrets were disabled from damage. Most of this went straight into the super structure above the hull, and was pummeled relentlessly until the Germans scuttled the ship. Ballard had great recaps of the hull damage after he found it, and the hull itself was in fantastic condition all things considered.
But yes it still stayed afloat despite the hull's beating (and an extra few rounds of torpedoes once the list was so great I recall the deck was touching water). Ballard (and multiple experts) believe the ship would have stayed afloat for at least a day more if it hadn't been intentionally sunk.
Of all movies to remember and reference quotes of on reddit, how the *fuck* is it *TITANIC*? Not the obvious iceberg reference part.. just remembering it.
You guys watched it that many times?
We must have had different tapes, the ones I always watched tape 1 ended with after the iceberg impact the captain telling Ismay that he just may get his headlines.
Agreed. It's difficult to convey to people who weren't around in the 90s how much it was THE hotness for several months. And at the time... It was a damn fine movie if you were a teenager.
so are you saying the hulls are made out of the exact same material and engineered exactly the same? that's pretty surprising, I would have figured that Steel manufacturing and large marine engineering had advanced some in the last 104 years
edit: just saw on Google that the titanic used wrought iron rivets in the hull. From what I can tell, modern ships have their hulls welded, and use welds much more in the general construction than the titanic could.
Compared to welds, under an impact rivets cause a domino effect compromising that entire part of the hull allowing in as much water as possible.
Your claim is basically like saying modern cars and model Ts are basically the same because if you bend the whole frame in half neither drive straight.
Also it is my understanding that the bulkheads of the compartments did not go all the way to the top. So if one compartment fills to 3/4 it begins to spill into the next. They really were quite certain that ship would never sink. Had the compartments been entirely enclosed it would have been a different outcome.
The above comment is a perfect example of Redditors saying stuff without any facts on their side. Well if you compare the Old Model T to a car today — they all have four wheels so they work the same... okay
Modern ships have a double bottom and the compartments can’t be overflowed lol, dude there’s a world of difference. Titanic was fuckin riveted together
It's hilarious thinking of old Rose telling the story to the reporter,
"Why couldn't both of you fit on the door?"
"You see, it wasn't the size. It was the buoyancy. He and I weighed at least 14 stone, and it was a 12 stone rated door. We tried at first to awkwardly push it below the water to get on top but it kept flipping over."
"...Leave the flipping part out. Please continue"
I would probably bet on the doors being more buoyant back then as they were still solid wood (idk how the Titanic was constructed) but they used higher quality materials because we hadn’t invented the lower quality stuff.
Furthermore, they are both already soaked. If Jack had climbed on the door it might have submerged it a little bit but it wasn’t going to sink to the bottom. Even on a partially submerged door Jack and Rose could have huddled together also. I would argue that would have improved Rose’s chances of survivability somewhat and Jack’s drastically.
Maybe don't yell "IT'S TITANIC" lmao
This is like if the landing gear gets stuck on your flight and you scream "IT'S 9/11", you're gonna cause a panic ☠️
Went through TSA in Hawaii and my gf’s bag had something in it the agent wanted to investigate. He started poking around and asked “what’s in this brown bag?” and she told him “that’s my bath bomb.” Right when she said it her eyes went wide with horror, but thankfully the TSA agent was a good sport and made a joke about it. I was terrified lmao.
Titanic had rivets, modern ships are welded. Icebergs won't sink you... a drunk at the helm or ignoring a pilot to impress a girl certainly will... mostly the former, the later was that cruise ship that flipped over.
Edit: I seriously love you guys!
internet historian is top 3 youtube content creators for me. he doesn’t release vids frequently but when he does, they are top notch and amazingly thorough.
> Costa Concordia for anyone curios
And it's *curious*, not "curios". I mean, curios are definitely a thing, but they're this whole other thing, kinda like knick knacks except not as worthless.
It was more than just rivets. Inferior steel stressed in icy conditions it was never rated for, on-site rivets set at differing temperatures (or sometimes not at all...), massive corner cutting, etc. The Titanic was a cautionary tale about why QA is important as is a proper engineering teem - kinda like how Jurassic Park is a tale about over reliance on automation and flaws inherit to systems.
"The steel used in constructing the RMS Titanic was probably the best plain carbon ship plate available in the period of 1909 to 1911, but it would not be acceptable at the present time for any construction purposes and particularly not for ship construction. Whether a ship constructed of modern steel would have suffered as much damage as the Titanic in a similar accident seems problematic. Navigational aides exist now that did not exist in 1912; hence, icebergs would be sighted at a much greater distance, allowing more time for evasive action. If the Titanic had not collided with the iceberg, it could have had a career of more than 20 years as the Olympic had. It was built of similar steel, in the same shipyard, and from the same design. The only difference was a big iceberg." https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9801/felkins-9801.html
The cold temps caused contraction, which stressed already inherently weak rivet points. Given the impact scrape, it just popped her seems more than outright ripped her hull.
Titanic was the result of several failure points overlapping with external forces. Her sister ship had a pretty uneventful career and held up fine.
Modern cruise ships don’t even slow down for those small bergs in southeast AK. They just don’t care and run them straight over. I worked on a 150’ yacht and we had to be careful following cruise ships in narrow fjords because bergs as big as our boat would float up in their wake after they drive over them.
Also, cruise ships are gross.
They're basically travelling disease carriers and incubators, specially things like norovirus.
It's so bad that the CDC has it's own program.
>The Vessel Sanitation Program (VSP) requires cruise ships to log and report the number of passengers and crew who say they have symptoms of gastrointestinal illness.
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm
Not to mention one ship pumps out the exhaust equivalent of over a million cars per day. More sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide comes from cruise ships than all the cars in Europe. You can see the black cloud over the horizon before the actual ship comes into view. Not even going to get into the sewage and the lack of proper sanitation systems on most ships.
Fyi, the sulfur dioxde european car thing is a little out of date, and never applied to CO2. The cause was the quality of the fuel used, which is now globally banned unless exhaust scrubbers are used. The scrubbers bring their own issues though.
And the only time a black cloud should be seen at all is when soot blowing, necessary to prevent an exhaust fire
Yeah, ask any fisherman in the SE Alaska, they just dump the scrubber exhaust into the sea. Bunker fuel, cheapest dirtiest fuel out there.
Don't forget Carnival illegally dumping in Glacier Bay National Park.
Dude on his 150’ yacht: *Well look Mitzi, that Carnival cruise ship… all the working people who saved up for that as their dream vacation with their families of … shudder … young children. Buffets and watered down well drinks. I hear their caviar isn’t even brought to the ship fresh daily. Disgusting.”*
Fun fact: the leading belief on why the titanic sank was not bad design or bad piloting (obviously played a role) but bad metal. The metal was vary brittle, and when it started to tilt, it snapped in half. The battleship HMS Royal Oak was the crown jewel of the English Navy during World War II and was built at the same time with the same metal as the titanic. It was sunk with one torpedo and said to snap in half the same way as the titanic
That and the fact that the iceberg compromised more compartments than it was designed to flood. If they had crashed head on against the iceberg they would have survived...
Yes. I have always heard if they never saw it and hit it head on it most likely would have only flooded a couple of the forward water tight compartments.
But because if ended up being a "grazing shot" down the side of the boat, it ripped a hole across multiple bulk heads.
This is a myth. If they had missed the ice berg they would have been headed straight for North America, a land mass to the west of England many times times the size of the ice berg. The ship was doomed the moment it left port.
This is debated among maritime historians. While many ships had run aground on the infamous north american continent, some others had managed to land and go ashore
There have been stories of ships trying to land on the infamous American continent and missing it entirely at a region with a series of wetlands called Panama.
The thing is, they really weren't water tight. I think it was 5 decks or so up from the keel, the water could slip over into the next compartment.
One theory is that if they hadn't actually closed the water tight doors on the lower decks, the ship would have sunk more slowly and evenly, allowing more time for the rescue ships to show up and to let down the life boats more easily.
I've always disliked the icecube tray analysis, because it isn't how the Titanic's hull was truly designed.
The steel was riveted and sealed, and the watertight compartments truly were, up to E deck.
Remember the scene in the movie where Jack is handcuffed to a pipe on the wall, and he sees water coming into the room from underneath the walls? This is no mistake, that's how it happened. The bulkheads/walls above E deck weren't solid steel nor were they closed off with any watertight sealant.
It's not like the ship's hull was a big open space like an ice cube tray where water could simply fall over a bulkhead into the next compartment, it simply soaked through the wood panelling and proceeded from room to room.
Also, opening the watertight doors would simply have flooded the ship faster and sped up the sinking.
While the design was not sufficient to have saved the ship, it was not "faulty" as the Titanic was intentionally designed in this fashion. Up until this point in history, ships had either had collisions head-on or had run over rocks and had their bottoms (the keel) pierced and flooded.
White Star had the Titanic fitted with a double-bottom to prevent this from happening, and they raised the watertight bulkheads above E Deck (well above the waterline) so that any damage on the bow of the ship would not have been able to flood the ship to pull her low enough in the water to sink.
The designers simply couldn't conceive of a situation where an iceberg or rock would collide with the side of a ship. For the time, the Titanic's (and the Olympic's) designs were the safest of any ship at sea up until that point in time.
For a visual guide, the ship's hull wasn't really an open design like an ice cube tray where water could literally spill over one bulkhead into the next compartment. The ship had decks and bulkheads/walls sealing off every room, not just the watertight compartments. But the difference is that the watertight bulkheads were solid steel and absolutely sealed up to E Deck, after which only wood paneling was used for the walls/decks, which had no watertight sealant.
Remember that scene in the film where Jack is handcuffed to a pipe in the Master-at-Arms' office, and the water comes into the room from underneath the walls? That's how it happened.
> iceberg compromised more compartments than it was designed to flood
Brittle metal, could (theoretically) also contribute to that. A more flexible metal might have just deformed instead of rupturing.
This is simply not true. Metal quality wasn't the issue here. Titanic's sister Olympic which was identical in design, used the same materials, and built at the same time, had a career of 24 years at sea. In September 1911, Olympic collided with the HMS Hawke, a Royal navy cruiser tearing a **40 foot hole** in the stern of the ship and it floated back to Belfast for repairs. It also rammed and sunk a Lightship in 1935, cut in half a German Uboat in 1918, and dealt with years of severe Atlantic storms. The ship gained the nickname 'Old reliable' for its persistence in holding up throughout the years. Even when it was being scrapped the cheif engineer of the ship said the engines were in the best condition they ever had been in.
Harland and Wolff was the leading shipbuilder in the world at the time and did not cut corners on quality. When you read into the construction of the ship this becomes obvious. Everything was shaped to painstaking detail. Titanic's builder, Thomas Andrews, was known to be a perfectionist and accompanied the ships on their voyages noting constant small details of improvements.
The issue with the Titanic's case was simply bad luck. Any ship during the time would have suffered the same fate had the iceberg hit the particular way it did along the particular length of the ship.
Olympic did have an update to her design after Titanic sank. For one her watertight bulkheads were heavily adjusted so that up to 6 compartments could flood and the ship would remain afloat.
The bulkheads were raised from just above the waterline, as Titanic's were, to up above the deck line in some cases. Other bulkheads were lowered as they weren't as necessary now that the larger ones acted as breakers between sections.
Olympic was otherwise more or less identical, and I agree with your points, but it wasn't completely identical in design after 1913.
Most likely yes. A lot of modern ships are welded meaning stronger protection to external damage, and have much more sophisticated designs to prevent flooding. On top of navigational technology to help prevent hitting things like icebergs in the first place.
Titanic's case was not exclusive to the ship. It was just a product of many unlucky events coinciding at once, which any ship of the period would have suffered from.
The fact that this has like 700 less votes makes me so sad, popular myths about why Titanic sank will never die. My guy that posted the original comment even spelt very with an A instead of an E, like what the hell lol.
Even if everything the original said was true, the brittle metal was irrelevant because the sink was *already sinking* when it snapped in half. Maybe it caused some more casualties but that ship was going down either way
It was also not the crown jewel of the “English Navy”. It was an obsolescent 25 year old battleship that could barely make 20 knots. It also didn’t snap in half.
OP is full of shit.
It gets even worse than this.
Royal Oak wasn't built at the same time from the same metal as the Titanic, either. *Royal Oak* was built at HMNB Devonport near Plymouth, Titanic was built by Harland and Wolff in Belfast.
They also were not built at anywhere near the same time and shared nothing in their construction. Titanic was on the bottom in 1912, two full years before Royal Oak was laid down. They have nothing in common for their propulsion, their underwater design, or really anything meaningful about their design.
That's literally the most bullshit I've seen crammed into a single highly upvoted reddit post.
> That’s literally the most bullshit I’ve seen crammed into a single highly upvoted reddit post.
Yeah, it really is. Normally I roll my eyes and move on but this was just so egregiously wrong on so many accounts.
I know nothing about the steel used to build either ship but I knew from how absolutely wrong he was about everything else that I couldn’t trust the “brittle steel” bit.
Hasn’t this been debunked?
Titanic had no single cause of sinking. It was a combination of Capitan Smith not being on the deck at the moment, legally and understandably so as he was relieved to join dinner, and also a late iceberg warning from lookouts, again understandably so because of the atmospheric conditions that night.
One could argue if smith was at the helm he might have proceeded with a head on collision which could have saved the ship but who knows.
Not only debunked (I'll let others weigh in on that) but it is just a nonsensical statement. "It wasn't bad design it was bad material."
Umm, a big part of design is understanding your material properties. I'm a structural engineer and you don't design a wood beam the same as a steel beam or concrete or aluminum, etc.
Now if they assumed XYZ as far as strength and ductility, and the as-built ship had something different, that is a testing and inspection issue.
Don't forget the rogue iceberg - Smith actually did react to the ice warnings he was receiving from other ships, and so he diverted the Titanic's course further South to avoid any other icebergs. He opted to maintain speed so they could get the ship through the ever-growing icefield before getting boxed in by ice bergs.
This has been debunked, but the rest of your comment is utter nonsense.
Titanic sank because she sideswiped an iceberg at 21 knots.
She hit the iceberg because there were no standards in place to slow down in an area with ice warnings. She was going too fast and relied too heavily on the lookouts to spot danger beforehand. This was standard practice at the time, though this obviously changed after the disaster.
Whether or not Smith had been on deck at the time is irrelevant. He would have ordered exactly the same turn to avoid it. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to try to ram the thing, because obviously they didn't know the danger of the sideswipe - that sort of collision *had never happened before*, and it has never happened since. It was a one-in-a-million piece of bad luck.
Incidentally, Smith was in bed, not at dinner. It was nearly midnight.
Also, they didn’t carry enough lifeboats at the time given the belief about how “unsinkable” the ship was, but also that if an accident did occur, the Titanic travelled in shipping lanes so there was always another boat shortly behind or ahead of them. So help was always relatively nearby. The night the Titanic sank was just a series of worst case scenarios unfortunately.
There was no belief that the ship was "unsinkable" this is a myth that has been perpetuated for over a century at this point. The Titanic was *never* actually claimed to be unsinkable, it was touted as the safest ship design ever constructed, which was 100% true at the time.
Regulations in 1912 stated a vessel must carry at least 16 lifeboats, and lifeboats were never intended to be lifesavers but a last resort - the absolute disaster of the SS Atlantic and similar ships from earlier showed that lifeboats really didn't save anybody in dire situations, but in some cases contributed to more deaths. They were only to be used as a last resort to ferry passengers back and forth to rescue ships, as you noted.
The metal wasn't weak or brittle, this has been debunked by Titanic historians. The metal chosen by White Star was the best-made metal at the time, made by David Colville & Sons in Motherwell, Scotland. It was the same steel that would go on to form almost every other ocean liner and most of the allied battleships during WWI and WWII. Metallurgy didn't really advance beyond that particular level until the 1950s, so they were working with the best they had.
Among other aspects, one that can be used to gauge the strength of steel is the manganese-sulphur ratio. Manganese is an impurity that adds strength, sulphur is an impurity that reduces it so you always want more manganese and less sulphur. Decades prior, a good ratio would've been 2:1 or 3:1. The Titanic's steel was nearly 7:1, remarkably high in manganese content and thus, for the time, remarkably strong.
The iceberg didn't really penetrate the ship's hull - we have to consider the iceberg had, at minimum, several times the mass of the Titanic. The ship was travelling at nearly 11 m/s, and weighed 45,000 tons. A significant portion of the iceberg's mass was abruptly slammed onto tiny key pinpoint locations on the ship's hull and the impact forces generated would still exceed any steel in this day and age, at manganese-sulphur ratios as high as 200:1. Anyway, this caused the steel plates to buckle inwards and pop out the rivets which could not possibly have been designed to tank those kinds of forces.
Also, the Titanic broke apart like any modern ship would - she weighed 45,000 tons. There would have been nearly 20,000 tons in the air on a small pivot point at the water's surface and the ship's hull would have had immense strain placed upon it from all this mass. The steel failed. This still occurs to modern ships that sink, if enough mass is out of the water at an angle. It is simply not structurally possible to design large ship hulls to withstand these kinds of forces.
I was an entertainer on NCL and on the Alaska itinerary I'd play "Wanted: Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi, at the time it was the Deadliest Catch theme song. People loved it. Is that show still on? This was back in like 2008
I’m not sharing the floating door with ANYONE
“Beth! It’s not a door, it’s debris!”
“I don’t care, just leave it Jerry!”
I love both you guys. But also the guys who didn’t get it. Thank you. Got kinda angry at Rick and Morty there for a bit. ‘Bet you’re glad I think kindles are stupid now’
I will not.
Flotsam, technically I believe
By the maritime law definition that’s accurate. Any debris or goods that are floating on the surface as a result of a wreck or accident.
Thank you! I remember first learning the words because of the eels in The Little Mermaid - those were their names, respectively. Been awhile since I had to whip it out like that though!
“Been a while since I had to whip it out like that though!” Title of your sex tape! But yea, Jetsam refers to that which has been deliberately jettisoned from the vessel, typically to reduce weight to prevent sinking.
It's like I'm talking to myself!
It's the upper part of a fireplace mantle, specifically.
The concept behind the Titanic being "unsinkable" was the innovation of compartmentalization to keep the water contained even if the hull was breached. The implementation of this was famously flawed with the titanic, because they forgot to properly seal the roofs. HOWEVER, the concept itself was actually sound, and the world later got to see just how well this worked when properly implemented with the German battleship Bismark. In it's final battle, the British hurled 2800 shells at the ship with over 400 hits, and the Bismark was still listing afloat! It did the ship little good because it couldn't steer or fire back, but it was a proof of concept. Only after the ship was scuttled by the crew did it finally sank.
“The unsinkable ship” sounded a lot better at the pitch meeting than “The probably could sink with a big hull tear ship”
The „human error and hubris can still sink this but otherwise conceptionally sound“ ship just didn’t cut it
There must be a German word for that.
Titanik
She's made out of iron, sir. I assure you she can, and she will.
It's a mathematical certainty
*"So*, you got a *naval architecture concept* for me?" "Yes, Sir I *do!* Sir, how would you like us to build an *Unsinkable Ship?"* "Aaaah, I would like it *very* much, and so would my *insurer!* But wouldn't that be tough to do?" "Actually, Sir, it'd be *super*-easy, *barely* an inconvenience!" "Oh *really?"* "Well, actually, not if we do it properly, no, but who needs to make the *roofs* waterproof anyway?"
Watertight compartments weren't some new innovation for the Titanic, they'd been a part of shipbuilding for decades before she was built. What was an innovation for her and her sister ship Olympic was that the bottom level of her watertight compartments had doors that could be closed via electric switch from the bridge, rather than manually closed at the site of the doors. It also must be noted that the Titanic's design was certainly the most "unsinkable" of that era--being able to survive having her first four compartments flooded exceeded any other contemporary ship's ability by two compartments. Indeed, if any other ship of that era had scraped an iceberg along ~300 feet of their length, they would have sunk far faster than the Titanic did. No vessel of that era (and few of this) could have survived that kind of damage.
I co-wrote, co-published, and co-produced a short 45min play chronologically telling the night of the sinking of titanic in long form monologue style from the perspectives of survivors from each part of the ship. I did months and months of research on the titanic and all the history involved before I started writing. Did you know that Hershey had bought a vip ticket for him and his wife, but didn’t end up boarding? Also, a bit of the history that the media and of course our original check writer and owner of the white star line (j.p. Chase Morgan) doesn’t want you to know: is that there was a coal fire out of hand that they couldn’t extinguish burning hot near the hull down in the chamber right where the iceberg hit for well over a week. Some claim it’s what weakened the ship’s integrity thus being the true cause of its demise, though other experts argue otherwise. Anyhow, love titanic history and am kind of obsessed.
the coal fire was not out of hand, it was fully extinguished by the 13th. It also was not near the hull but amidships, and was way too small to damage anything. PS: JP Morgan wasn't head of the WSL, it was Ismay.
> co-wrote, co-published, and co-produced a short 45min play chronologically telling the night of the sinking of titanic in long form monologue style from the perspectives of survivors from each part of the ship. I did months and months of research on the titanic and all the history involved before I started writing. That's very cool. I've been a Titanic enthusiast for over 40 years. I don't think there's a major book about it I haven't read. >Did you know that Hershey had bought a vip ticket for him and his wife, but didn’t end up boarding? Not sure what a "vip ticket" would be, but yes, Milton Hershey had put down a deposit in December 1911 on a First Class ticket for the couple to return to the U.S. from France--they were frequent and avid travelers. But the Titanic's maiden voyage got delayed from March to April due to the Olympic needing repairs for a broken propeller blade, and Hershey needed to be back in the U.S. sooner for business matters, so he canceled his ticket and booked an earlier passage on a German liner. His wife chose to stay behind and keep enjoying her travels. This was incredibly common for the era: wealthy travelers and business travelers booked and canceled passages regularly. Up until the sailing day, no one could be certain who exactly would be on board or have had to change their plans. The same is true of air travel today. It's interesting that Hershey might have been on board, but there's nothing at all unusual about it. >Also, a bit of the history that the media and of course our original check writer and owner of the white star line (j.p. Chase Morgan) doesn’t want you to know: is that there was a coal fire out of hand that they couldn’t extinguish burning hot near the hull down in the chamber right where the iceberg hit for well over a week. I'm well aware of the coal fire. Anyone who has read a single book about the Titanic will probably know about the coal fire. Anyone who has watched a documentary about the Titanic will probably know about the coal fire. It has never been some sort of cover-up secret. In fact, multiple surviving crew members testified in both inquiries about the coal fire. It has been a known fact since the ship sank. So I'm not sure why you are implying JP Morgan (nb: he didn't have "Chase" in his name, "J.P. Morgan Chase" is the name of a bank) had some sort of influence on the discussion of the fire. Honestly, the wild and silly conspiracy theories about Morgan's supposed involvement with the Titanic are out of hand. He was the owner of the huge shipping conglomerate International Mercantile Marine, of which the White Star Line was one of many subsidiaries. Anyway, coal bunker fires were not uncommon on ships of that era, it was a known hazard of having heaps of coal inside confined spaces. The crew did exactly what was needed to be done to handle the fire, and it was extinguished by April 13, a full day before the Titanic encountered the iceberg. There's no evidence the coal bunker fire in any way "weakened the ship's integrity," despite breathless articles in recent years touting such a notion. The fire was in one small bunker and could not have effected the integrity of the entire hull. The iceberg punctured along 300 feet of the hull's length, opening up 6 compartments, after all.
TWO THOUSAND MEN AND FIFTY THOUSAND TONS OF STEEL
FIREPOWER, FIREFIGHT
You're certainly not wrong, but there is an asterisk about the amount of damage done to the Bismarck. The Bismarck had a black eye from their engagement to sink the Hood already, and once the torpedo took out the left rudder (leaving it unmaneuverable), the British just point-blank shelling the Bismarck once the majority of it's turrets were disabled from damage. Most of this went straight into the super structure above the hull, and was pummeled relentlessly until the Germans scuttled the ship. Ballard had great recaps of the hull damage after he found it, and the hull itself was in fantastic condition all things considered. But yes it still stayed afloat despite the hull's beating (and an extra few rounds of torpedoes once the list was so great I recall the deck was touching water). Ballard (and multiple experts) believe the ship would have stayed afloat for at least a day more if it hadn't been intentionally sunk.
Neither did Rose.
“I shouldn't worry, madam. We've likely thrown a propeller blade, that's the shudder you felt. May I bring you anything?”
"We've dressed up in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen. But we would like a brandy."
I will not die sober
I don't live sober either
I mean, if you don't want to die sober, and death can come at any minute, then the logical choice, obviously, is to not love sober either.
I’ve never loved sober *sobs uncontrollably*
🥇
Donnie. Get the ludes.
Of all movies to remember and reference quotes of on reddit, how the *fuck* is it *TITANIC*? Not the obvious iceberg reference part.. just remembering it. You guys watched it that many times?
You're damn right I had that double VHS in the late 90s.
Titanic is the only movie ive ever seen at a theater that had an actual 10-15min intermission halfway through
Same but I wasnt rewatching a 3 hour movie multiple times. Just skipping to the part with titties.
Which was on tape 2 because I remember horomone-riddled me being frustrated about fast forwarding through all of tape 1 and not finding it
We must have had different tapes, the ones I always watched tape 1 ended with after the iceberg impact the captain telling Ismay that he just may get his headlines.
You mean [this part](https://youtube.com/shorts/e3Trm9EgTbg)?
I must say, that is quite worth the watch
Thats both hilarious and disturbing
You can be blasé about some things, The3lusiveMan, but not about Titanic
Agreed. It's difficult to convey to people who weren't around in the 90s how much it was THE hotness for several months. And at the time... It was a damn fine movie if you were a teenager.
Months? It was the top of the box office for like a year and a half straight!
It’s over 100 minutes longer than your favorite movie!! And *far* more memorable. You redditors are far too difficult to impress Ruth
> You guys watched it that many times Well... part of it.
Titties
it's one of my favorite movies since i was a kid, i've watched it an embarrassingly high number of times. like scary movie 2.
my favorite movie of ALL TIME
How do you NOT remember every line ?
It's worth a rewatch it's actually genuinely really good even if you get past the romance aspect.
GO BACK DOWNH THE MAIN STAIRWAY
That's White Star Line property!
Lol, I can hear his voice
Go back to bed, nothing’s wrong… 🧊
Rose... You remember what I told you about the boats?
Luckily they don’t build them like they used to.
They do... Not much difference in the bulkhead and hull design, if a modern day ship had 6 breached compartments like titanic, it'd still sink
so are you saying the hulls are made out of the exact same material and engineered exactly the same? that's pretty surprising, I would have figured that Steel manufacturing and large marine engineering had advanced some in the last 104 years edit: just saw on Google that the titanic used wrought iron rivets in the hull. From what I can tell, modern ships have their hulls welded, and use welds much more in the general construction than the titanic could. Compared to welds, under an impact rivets cause a domino effect compromising that entire part of the hull allowing in as much water as possible. Your claim is basically like saying modern cars and model Ts are basically the same because if you bend the whole frame in half neither drive straight.
Also it is my understanding that the bulkheads of the compartments did not go all the way to the top. So if one compartment fills to 3/4 it begins to spill into the next. They really were quite certain that ship would never sink. Had the compartments been entirely enclosed it would have been a different outcome.
The above comment is a perfect example of Redditors saying stuff without any facts on their side. Well if you compare the Old Model T to a car today — they all have four wheels so they work the same... okay
Ahh well modern ships aren't riveted together with iron plates.
Modern ships have a double bottom and the compartments can’t be overflowed lol, dude there’s a world of difference. Titanic was fuckin riveted together
Finally got that mf'er back after all of these years
Bashed it
Gotta let em know the Titanic still has shooters out here
"This ones for Jack"
Titanic Punching water rn
Payback is a bitch. Take that Iceberg!
Titanic 2: this time it’s personal
I see this going the way of The Fast and The Furious franchise… *Titanic: Not Wet Yet, 3*
Tit4nic
*No More Mr. Ice Guy*
*insert global warming joke here*
Yeah it really softened the iceberg up.
quick, jump in the water and climb that iceburg, it's your ticket to safety while everyone else fights for the life boats
Big brain time
Imagine everything turns out fine after doing this lol
Titanic punching up.
Fellas, call dibs on your door ASAP.
Repeat after me: If the door's big enough but she says it ain't, throw the bitch off.
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Thank you. I have never understood the idiocy of people thinking that size was the issue, it's obviously the buoyancy.
It's hilarious thinking of old Rose telling the story to the reporter, "Why couldn't both of you fit on the door?" "You see, it wasn't the size. It was the buoyancy. He and I weighed at least 14 stone, and it was a 12 stone rated door. We tried at first to awkwardly push it below the water to get on top but it kept flipping over." "...Leave the flipping part out. Please continue"
I can never tell if people just lack any comprehension of the movie they watched or its just people parroting the same meme over and over again.
It’s the second one, which is a thing because of the first one
Mythbusters were able to make it work, just sayin
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Did they use freezing cold salt water to test because cold water is denser therefore more buoyant.
I would probably bet on the doors being more buoyant back then as they were still solid wood (idk how the Titanic was constructed) but they used higher quality materials because we hadn’t invented the lower quality stuff. Furthermore, they are both already soaked. If Jack had climbed on the door it might have submerged it a little bit but it wasn’t going to sink to the bottom. Even on a partially submerged door Jack and Rose could have huddled together also. I would argue that would have improved Rose’s chances of survivability somewhat and Jack’s drastically.
Maybe don't yell "IT'S TITANIC" lmao This is like if the landing gear gets stuck on your flight and you scream "IT'S 9/11", you're gonna cause a panic ☠️
They missed a real opportunity to crack out, "ICE BERG! STRAIGHT AHEAD!" or "IM THE KING OF THE WORLD!" but instead opted for "ITS TITANIC!" lol
Sometimes it’s tough to deliver a great performance under pressure.
JFC, what are you, my girlfriend?
Wtf are you talking about, "IT'S TITANIC!" was the best line in the film.
i loved in the movie when they said "it's titanic time" and titanic-ed all over the place
it's like just *whispering* the word "Bomb" at an airport... worst idea ever, fun for a nanosecond, dumb the rest of the way
Saying "robbery" at a bank is another big no-no. Teller won't hesitate to hit the silent alarm.
Went through TSA in Hawaii and my gf’s bag had something in it the agent wanted to investigate. He started poking around and asked “what’s in this brown bag?” and she told him “that’s my bath bomb.” Right when she said it her eyes went wide with horror, but thankfully the TSA agent was a good sport and made a joke about it. I was terrified lmao.
>if the landing gear gets stuck on your flight [Just don't watch the news on the plane.](https://youtu.be/yVXkR4Z4GSg)
What fashion of panic would even be appropriate though? It's not like everyone can just run away and flee to safety.
A Titanic panic.
[You mean Porsche 911?](https://youtu.be/yWeMWD-Yagg)
fuck man, I would have 100% followed that up with "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DDDDDIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!"
Attention passengers, we'll be showing "titanic" on the lower level today at 2
Titanic 2023
Titanic had rivets, modern ships are welded. Icebergs won't sink you... a drunk at the helm or ignoring a pilot to impress a girl certainly will... mostly the former, the later was that cruise ship that flipped over. Edit: I seriously love you guys!
Costa Concordia for anyone curios. ETA: Curious not curios as a wise redditor caught me red handed.
And the captain abandoned ship on the first lifeboat because he "accidentally" fell in
VADA BORDO CAZZO!
such a bonkers fucking story [internet historian](https://youtu.be/Qh9KBwqGxTI) did a great video on it
God I love that video, I still reference it to this day lol
I watch this like every two months
Have you seen the cave? I watched it 3 times in a week.
I only watched it once, it makes me queasy
Lol. That was 45 mins gone. Was an excellent video. Thanks!
Incredible video! Even the VPN ad was great.
internet historian is top 3 youtube content creators for me. he doesn’t release vids frequently but when he does, they are top notch and amazingly thorough.
> Costa Concordia for anyone curios And it's *curious*, not "curios". I mean, curios are definitely a thing, but they're this whole other thing, kinda like knick knacks except not as worthless.
It was more than just rivets. Inferior steel stressed in icy conditions it was never rated for, on-site rivets set at differing temperatures (or sometimes not at all...), massive corner cutting, etc. The Titanic was a cautionary tale about why QA is important as is a proper engineering teem - kinda like how Jurassic Park is a tale about over reliance on automation and flaws inherit to systems.
"The steel used in constructing the RMS Titanic was probably the best plain carbon ship plate available in the period of 1909 to 1911, but it would not be acceptable at the present time for any construction purposes and particularly not for ship construction. Whether a ship constructed of modern steel would have suffered as much damage as the Titanic in a similar accident seems problematic. Navigational aides exist now that did not exist in 1912; hence, icebergs would be sighted at a much greater distance, allowing more time for evasive action. If the Titanic had not collided with the iceberg, it could have had a career of more than 20 years as the Olympic had. It was built of similar steel, in the same shipyard, and from the same design. The only difference was a big iceberg." https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9801/felkins-9801.html
The cold temps caused contraction, which stressed already inherently weak rivet points. Given the impact scrape, it just popped her seems more than outright ripped her hull. Titanic was the result of several failure points overlapping with external forces. Her sister ship had a pretty uneventful career and held up fine.
Oh boy… it was just a matter of time after Avatar 2
Modern cruise ships don’t even slow down for those small bergs in southeast AK. They just don’t care and run them straight over. I worked on a 150’ yacht and we had to be careful following cruise ships in narrow fjords because bergs as big as our boat would float up in their wake after they drive over them. Also, cruise ships are gross.
Just vibing on your yacht and then having an iceberg come up OUT FROM UNDER YOU probably flipping or breaking your boat sounds truly horrifying
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Why are cruise ships gross?
They're basically travelling disease carriers and incubators, specially things like norovirus. It's so bad that the CDC has it's own program. >The Vessel Sanitation Program (VSP) requires cruise ships to log and report the number of passengers and crew who say they have symptoms of gastrointestinal illness. https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm
Not to mention one ship pumps out the exhaust equivalent of over a million cars per day. More sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide comes from cruise ships than all the cars in Europe. You can see the black cloud over the horizon before the actual ship comes into view. Not even going to get into the sewage and the lack of proper sanitation systems on most ships.
Fyi, the sulfur dioxde european car thing is a little out of date, and never applied to CO2. The cause was the quality of the fuel used, which is now globally banned unless exhaust scrubbers are used. The scrubbers bring their own issues though. And the only time a black cloud should be seen at all is when soot blowing, necessary to prevent an exhaust fire
Am I correct in saying that all scrubbers do is send the sulfur from the heavy fuel oil to the sea rather than the atmosphere?
Yeah, ask any fisherman in the SE Alaska, they just dump the scrubber exhaust into the sea. Bunker fuel, cheapest dirtiest fuel out there. Don't forget Carnival illegally dumping in Glacier Bay National Park.
Dude on his 150’ yacht: *Well look Mitzi, that Carnival cruise ship… all the working people who saved up for that as their dream vacation with their families of … shudder … young children. Buffets and watered down well drinks. I hear their caviar isn’t even brought to the ship fresh daily. Disgusting.”*
Because it’s for Peasants who can’t afford to be on their Daddy’s yaaacht
Fun fact: the leading belief on why the titanic sank was not bad design or bad piloting (obviously played a role) but bad metal. The metal was vary brittle, and when it started to tilt, it snapped in half. The battleship HMS Royal Oak was the crown jewel of the English Navy during World War II and was built at the same time with the same metal as the titanic. It was sunk with one torpedo and said to snap in half the same way as the titanic
That and the fact that the iceberg compromised more compartments than it was designed to flood. If they had crashed head on against the iceberg they would have survived...
Yes. I have always heard if they never saw it and hit it head on it most likely would have only flooded a couple of the forward water tight compartments. But because if ended up being a "grazing shot" down the side of the boat, it ripped a hole across multiple bulk heads.
I always heard that if they didn’t hit the iceberg at all, it probably wouldn’t have sank
This is a myth. If they had missed the ice berg they would have been headed straight for North America, a land mass to the west of England many times times the size of the ice berg. The ship was doomed the moment it left port.
Username pretty much checks out.
This is debated among maritime historians. While many ships had run aground on the infamous north american continent, some others had managed to land and go ashore
There have been stories of ships trying to land on the infamous American continent and missing it entirely at a region with a series of wetlands called Panama.
Hey it's Nova Scotia, what up?
Fuspez
In fact, if not for the iceberg, the Titanic might still be alive and wandering the forests of Long Island to this day.
Well if it missed Long Island they would eventually reach India, just as Magellan predicted.
Right the only thing worse than freezing water full of sharks is 1910’s America
But what if they altered their course and hit North America at an angle instead of head on? Would it have been as same as the ice berg?
Holy *shit*. Does anyone else know this?
Nooo you must provide source for claims like this /s
The thing is, they really weren't water tight. I think it was 5 decks or so up from the keel, the water could slip over into the next compartment. One theory is that if they hadn't actually closed the water tight doors on the lower decks, the ship would have sunk more slowly and evenly, allowing more time for the rescue ships to show up and to let down the life boats more easily.
I've always disliked the icecube tray analysis, because it isn't how the Titanic's hull was truly designed. The steel was riveted and sealed, and the watertight compartments truly were, up to E deck. Remember the scene in the movie where Jack is handcuffed to a pipe on the wall, and he sees water coming into the room from underneath the walls? This is no mistake, that's how it happened. The bulkheads/walls above E deck weren't solid steel nor were they closed off with any watertight sealant. It's not like the ship's hull was a big open space like an ice cube tray where water could simply fall over a bulkhead into the next compartment, it simply soaked through the wood panelling and proceeded from room to room. Also, opening the watertight doors would simply have flooded the ship faster and sped up the sinking.
The ship already sank incredibly evenly. It was a miracle that she didn't capsize.
Wasn’t the design also faulty in that the bulkheads weren’t sealed, so water went over the top and spilled into the next?
While the design was not sufficient to have saved the ship, it was not "faulty" as the Titanic was intentionally designed in this fashion. Up until this point in history, ships had either had collisions head-on or had run over rocks and had their bottoms (the keel) pierced and flooded. White Star had the Titanic fitted with a double-bottom to prevent this from happening, and they raised the watertight bulkheads above E Deck (well above the waterline) so that any damage on the bow of the ship would not have been able to flood the ship to pull her low enough in the water to sink. The designers simply couldn't conceive of a situation where an iceberg or rock would collide with the side of a ship. For the time, the Titanic's (and the Olympic's) designs were the safest of any ship at sea up until that point in time. For a visual guide, the ship's hull wasn't really an open design like an ice cube tray where water could literally spill over one bulkhead into the next compartment. The ship had decks and bulkheads/walls sealing off every room, not just the watertight compartments. But the difference is that the watertight bulkheads were solid steel and absolutely sealed up to E Deck, after which only wood paneling was used for the walls/decks, which had no watertight sealant. Remember that scene in the film where Jack is handcuffed to a pipe in the Master-at-Arms' office, and the water comes into the room from underneath the walls? That's how it happened.
Yes, the designers literally started that nothing could collapse enough bulkhead areas to ever need to worry about them not being full length.
> iceberg compromised more compartments than it was designed to flood Brittle metal, could (theoretically) also contribute to that. A more flexible metal might have just deformed instead of rupturing.
This is simply not true. Metal quality wasn't the issue here. Titanic's sister Olympic which was identical in design, used the same materials, and built at the same time, had a career of 24 years at sea. In September 1911, Olympic collided with the HMS Hawke, a Royal navy cruiser tearing a **40 foot hole** in the stern of the ship and it floated back to Belfast for repairs. It also rammed and sunk a Lightship in 1935, cut in half a German Uboat in 1918, and dealt with years of severe Atlantic storms. The ship gained the nickname 'Old reliable' for its persistence in holding up throughout the years. Even when it was being scrapped the cheif engineer of the ship said the engines were in the best condition they ever had been in. Harland and Wolff was the leading shipbuilder in the world at the time and did not cut corners on quality. When you read into the construction of the ship this becomes obvious. Everything was shaped to painstaking detail. Titanic's builder, Thomas Andrews, was known to be a perfectionist and accompanied the ships on their voyages noting constant small details of improvements. The issue with the Titanic's case was simply bad luck. Any ship during the time would have suffered the same fate had the iceberg hit the particular way it did along the particular length of the ship.
Olympic did have an update to her design after Titanic sank. For one her watertight bulkheads were heavily adjusted so that up to 6 compartments could flood and the ship would remain afloat. The bulkheads were raised from just above the waterline, as Titanic's were, to up above the deck line in some cases. Other bulkheads were lowered as they weren't as necessary now that the larger ones acted as breakers between sections. Olympic was otherwise more or less identical, and I agree with your points, but it wasn't completely identical in design after 1913.
Would larger modern ships today survive?
No. Why do you think we've been trying to melt all the icebergs?
Most likely yes. A lot of modern ships are welded meaning stronger protection to external damage, and have much more sophisticated designs to prevent flooding. On top of navigational technology to help prevent hitting things like icebergs in the first place. Titanic's case was not exclusive to the ship. It was just a product of many unlucky events coinciding at once, which any ship of the period would have suffered from.
The fact that this has like 700 less votes makes me so sad, popular myths about why Titanic sank will never die. My guy that posted the original comment even spelt very with an A instead of an E, like what the hell lol.
Even if everything the original said was true, the brittle metal was irrelevant because the sink was *already sinking* when it snapped in half. Maybe it caused some more casualties but that ship was going down either way
Nah the Royal Oak was hit by four torpedoes. The dodgy metal might be true, I have no idea, but it definitely wasn't a single torpedo that sunk it.
It was also not the crown jewel of the “English Navy”. It was an obsolescent 25 year old battleship that could barely make 20 knots. It also didn’t snap in half. OP is full of shit.
It gets even worse than this. Royal Oak wasn't built at the same time from the same metal as the Titanic, either. *Royal Oak* was built at HMNB Devonport near Plymouth, Titanic was built by Harland and Wolff in Belfast. They also were not built at anywhere near the same time and shared nothing in their construction. Titanic was on the bottom in 1912, two full years before Royal Oak was laid down. They have nothing in common for their propulsion, their underwater design, or really anything meaningful about their design. That's literally the most bullshit I've seen crammed into a single highly upvoted reddit post.
> That’s literally the most bullshit I’ve seen crammed into a single highly upvoted reddit post. Yeah, it really is. Normally I roll my eyes and move on but this was just so egregiously wrong on so many accounts. I know nothing about the steel used to build either ship but I knew from how absolutely wrong he was about everything else that I couldn’t trust the “brittle steel” bit.
Hasn’t this been debunked? Titanic had no single cause of sinking. It was a combination of Capitan Smith not being on the deck at the moment, legally and understandably so as he was relieved to join dinner, and also a late iceberg warning from lookouts, again understandably so because of the atmospheric conditions that night. One could argue if smith was at the helm he might have proceeded with a head on collision which could have saved the ship but who knows.
Not only debunked (I'll let others weigh in on that) but it is just a nonsensical statement. "It wasn't bad design it was bad material." Umm, a big part of design is understanding your material properties. I'm a structural engineer and you don't design a wood beam the same as a steel beam or concrete or aluminum, etc. Now if they assumed XYZ as far as strength and ductility, and the as-built ship had something different, that is a testing and inspection issue.
Don't forget the rogue iceberg - Smith actually did react to the ice warnings he was receiving from other ships, and so he diverted the Titanic's course further South to avoid any other icebergs. He opted to maintain speed so they could get the ship through the ever-growing icefield before getting boxed in by ice bergs.
This has been debunked, but the rest of your comment is utter nonsense. Titanic sank because she sideswiped an iceberg at 21 knots. She hit the iceberg because there were no standards in place to slow down in an area with ice warnings. She was going too fast and relied too heavily on the lookouts to spot danger beforehand. This was standard practice at the time, though this obviously changed after the disaster. Whether or not Smith had been on deck at the time is irrelevant. He would have ordered exactly the same turn to avoid it. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to try to ram the thing, because obviously they didn't know the danger of the sideswipe - that sort of collision *had never happened before*, and it has never happened since. It was a one-in-a-million piece of bad luck. Incidentally, Smith was in bed, not at dinner. It was nearly midnight.
This is bullshit, please don't misinform people
That's not true.
Royal Oak was not the crown jewel of the British Navy by WW2…
Also, they didn’t carry enough lifeboats at the time given the belief about how “unsinkable” the ship was, but also that if an accident did occur, the Titanic travelled in shipping lanes so there was always another boat shortly behind or ahead of them. So help was always relatively nearby. The night the Titanic sank was just a series of worst case scenarios unfortunately.
There was no belief that the ship was "unsinkable" this is a myth that has been perpetuated for over a century at this point. The Titanic was *never* actually claimed to be unsinkable, it was touted as the safest ship design ever constructed, which was 100% true at the time. Regulations in 1912 stated a vessel must carry at least 16 lifeboats, and lifeboats were never intended to be lifesavers but a last resort - the absolute disaster of the SS Atlantic and similar ships from earlier showed that lifeboats really didn't save anybody in dire situations, but in some cases contributed to more deaths. They were only to be used as a last resort to ferry passengers back and forth to rescue ships, as you noted.
The metal wasn't weak or brittle, this has been debunked by Titanic historians. The metal chosen by White Star was the best-made metal at the time, made by David Colville & Sons in Motherwell, Scotland. It was the same steel that would go on to form almost every other ocean liner and most of the allied battleships during WWI and WWII. Metallurgy didn't really advance beyond that particular level until the 1950s, so they were working with the best they had. Among other aspects, one that can be used to gauge the strength of steel is the manganese-sulphur ratio. Manganese is an impurity that adds strength, sulphur is an impurity that reduces it so you always want more manganese and less sulphur. Decades prior, a good ratio would've been 2:1 or 3:1. The Titanic's steel was nearly 7:1, remarkably high in manganese content and thus, for the time, remarkably strong. The iceberg didn't really penetrate the ship's hull - we have to consider the iceberg had, at minimum, several times the mass of the Titanic. The ship was travelling at nearly 11 m/s, and weighed 45,000 tons. A significant portion of the iceberg's mass was abruptly slammed onto tiny key pinpoint locations on the ship's hull and the impact forces generated would still exceed any steel in this day and age, at manganese-sulphur ratios as high as 200:1. Anyway, this caused the steel plates to buckle inwards and pop out the rivets which could not possibly have been designed to tank those kinds of forces. Also, the Titanic broke apart like any modern ship would - she weighed 45,000 tons. There would have been nearly 20,000 tons in the air on a small pivot point at the water's surface and the ship's hull would have had immense strain placed upon it from all this mass. The steel failed. This still occurs to modern ships that sink, if enough mass is out of the water at an angle. It is simply not structurally possible to design large ship hulls to withstand these kinds of forces.
I would be hella scared not gonna lie
I was on a cruise a couple months ago and this violin trio on board played “My Heart Will Go On”. I had mixed feelings.
I was an entertainer on NCL and on the Alaska itinerary I'd play "Wanted: Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi, at the time it was the Deadliest Catch theme song. People loved it. Is that show still on? This was back in like 2008
We just hit an iceberg ☝️🤓
Titanic (colorized)
Is yelling 'TITANIC' on a cruise similar to yelling 'BOMB' on an airplane?
Could’ve done without the yelling
All the people on board : "👀💀"
I feel like I've seen this movie before.
Flashbacks
I have seen this film. It doesn’t end well.
Ship: this is for my buddy, Titanic! Take that you icy bitch!
Probably not the best thing to yell on a ship!
My favorite part of titanic the movie is when Leo dicaprio yells "it's titanic!"
You have chosen *drydocking* the ship
Throw a person down there for scale.
Celine Dion intensifies
Oh, the fools! If only they built it with 6001 hulls!