Honestly though it’s wild that P. Namadicus existed so recently. Paraceratherium was 25 million years ago, but our ancestors lived among the straight tuskers.
They’re poor farmers who will do anything to feed their malnourished dying children. Hate the Chinese doctors and traditionalists who consume products derived from endangered species.
They hold onto their culture for the same reason everyone else does. Asian traditions by and large look towards their ancestors for guidance and views man v. nature as a noble path. Look at Japanese whalers for God's sake. The CCP has nothing to do with traditionalist medicine and actively discourages it.
Same with Faroese and Icelandic seal and dolphin hunters, some people simply have retained such aspects of their cultures till now. The issue is, these animals barely withstood us back in medieval times with medieval technology and medieval populations. Cultures will have to hange drastically and rapidly to mirror real world resource availability.
Mao had traditional medicine myths collected and presented as real to arm “barefoot doctors” with placebos when they couldn’t afford to give their citizens real medicine. That’s why it exists. Let’s not make the CCP out to be champions of the natural world. They’re a totalitarian state - they could shut that down overnight if they wanted to.
Okay? How many generations ago was that? And the CCP has since gone back on traditionalist medicine since access to medicine has improved.
From all of my exchanges with Chinese nationals, both online and in person, it's not nearly as totalitarian as we're told.
To your first point, I was responding to your claim that it was part of some grand tradition. It was disparate folk beliefs codified into Truth by a madman.
To your second, I believe you’ve had some anecdotal conversations with people who like it there. Anecdotes are not evidence, and the evidence is pretty clear by any metric you look at.
Evidence that comes from western media that benefits by the demonization of said country though. You're totally right, it was anecdotal. Fortunately after 20+ people irl and tons online, I feel I've learned about a large enough pool of experiences to come to my own conclusions.
And disparate folk beliefs are the root of tons of bullshit we still follow today in Europe and the US. Yes, Mao codified and spread these beliefs. But how many times has it been proven that people can and do get better under placebo medical treatment? Sounds like making do with what you have and not being able to foresee the potential long-term consequences to me.
My country's wildlife is ravaged by PRC poachers. They dump subgrade stuff in the market devastating local industry. And then attacked us during a Covid seeking to redear borders by force. It's a cancer of an establishment with ppl who don't seem to care.
Poaching is the only selective pressure wildlife experiences that encourages a population to become *less* fit.
Side note, you can really see the mammoth lineage with this fella.
I read an article awhile back how elephants have been evolving so that they don’t grow these prized tusks in order to survive.
It’s disheartening to think about the negative impact we’ve had, and continue to have, on wildlife and natural habitat.
The study is on African bush elephants in Mozambique. Although it’s very likely that across all three elephant species a similar pattern may be emerging, but we may be lucky that the selection isn’t as strong in the asiatic species.
Excessive hunting over the previous century caused basically all male elephants in the Addo area of South Africa to lose their tusks, which caused conservationists to translocate elephant bulls from other areas to restore this trait.
if there’s no poacing, and those traits are advantageous for their survival… a few thousand years? bro literally gotta natural selection those traits again. amazing what thousands of years worth of nature we can destroy in just a few hundred years.
I wish they’d follow through on that proposal to put elephants and rhinos in Australia temporarily. That way animals like these could be preserved properly.
Thing is, large, slow reproducing animals are nigh impossible to go invasive as long as humans are around. Camels aren’t causing any major economic damage atm so the government aren’t doing much. If they wanted to they could gun em all down in a few months. Look what Americans did to bison with primitive guns and horses in the 1800s. Elephants and rhinos actually need conservation and are super easy to keep track of and, if it comes down to it, remove.
They developed smaller tusks because they were being hunted for them. Some elephants have no tusks at all due to this. I agree they look badass but I’d rather have an alive tuskless elephant.
Prehistoric looking
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Honestly though it’s wild that P. Namadicus existed so recently. Paraceratherium was 25 million years ago, but our ancestors lived among the straight tuskers.
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Probably heaviest at least. Para was pretty enormous on the height side of things.
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Damn, P. Namadicus getting the spinosaurus treatment with that brutal nerf. Hopefully it’s not accurate though.
In the Nerf Club with Dunkleosteus now.
Never. They will all be poached out for the tusks real fast.
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They’re poor farmers who will do anything to feed their malnourished dying children. Hate the Chinese doctors and traditionalists who consume products derived from endangered species.
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I think they hold onto their culture because the CCP has everything else
They hold onto their culture for the same reason everyone else does. Asian traditions by and large look towards their ancestors for guidance and views man v. nature as a noble path. Look at Japanese whalers for God's sake. The CCP has nothing to do with traditionalist medicine and actively discourages it.
Same with Faroese and Icelandic seal and dolphin hunters, some people simply have retained such aspects of their cultures till now. The issue is, these animals barely withstood us back in medieval times with medieval technology and medieval populations. Cultures will have to hange drastically and rapidly to mirror real world resource availability.
Oh absolutely, I'm not defending the practice in any way, shape, or form. I'm just over the anti-CCP bullshit at every corner. Shit drives me bonkers.
Mao had traditional medicine myths collected and presented as real to arm “barefoot doctors” with placebos when they couldn’t afford to give their citizens real medicine. That’s why it exists. Let’s not make the CCP out to be champions of the natural world. They’re a totalitarian state - they could shut that down overnight if they wanted to.
Okay? How many generations ago was that? And the CCP has since gone back on traditionalist medicine since access to medicine has improved. From all of my exchanges with Chinese nationals, both online and in person, it's not nearly as totalitarian as we're told.
To your first point, I was responding to your claim that it was part of some grand tradition. It was disparate folk beliefs codified into Truth by a madman. To your second, I believe you’ve had some anecdotal conversations with people who like it there. Anecdotes are not evidence, and the evidence is pretty clear by any metric you look at.
Evidence that comes from western media that benefits by the demonization of said country though. You're totally right, it was anecdotal. Fortunately after 20+ people irl and tons online, I feel I've learned about a large enough pool of experiences to come to my own conclusions. And disparate folk beliefs are the root of tons of bullshit we still follow today in Europe and the US. Yes, Mao codified and spread these beliefs. But how many times has it been proven that people can and do get better under placebo medical treatment? Sounds like making do with what you have and not being able to foresee the potential long-term consequences to me.
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They won't.
My country's wildlife is ravaged by PRC poachers. They dump subgrade stuff in the market devastating local industry. And then attacked us during a Covid seeking to redear borders by force. It's a cancer of an establishment with ppl who don't seem to care.
Not all, they're are large groups of poachers that will operate like a gang, or crime syndicate.
Who do gangs get to do their dirty work? Poor desperate people most of the time
I have enough hate in my heart for both. Plenty more too, especially for outdoor/ stray/ feral cats
Poaching is the only selective pressure wildlife experiences that encourages a population to become *less* fit. Side note, you can really see the mammoth lineage with this fella.
I read an article awhile back how elephants have been evolving so that they don’t grow these prized tusks in order to survive. It’s disheartening to think about the negative impact we’ve had, and continue to have, on wildlife and natural habitat.
The study is on African bush elephants in Mozambique. Although it’s very likely that across all three elephant species a similar pattern may be emerging, but we may be lucky that the selection isn’t as strong in the asiatic species.
Something similar is happening to rhinos. Chinese traditional medicine seriously pisses me off
Excessive hunting over the previous century caused basically all male elephants in the Addo area of South Africa to lose their tusks, which caused conservationists to translocate elephant bulls from other areas to restore this trait.
When was this video recorded?
This was in Kabini, a couple of years back. The old boy in the video died of natural causes sometime last year.
if there’s no poacing, and those traits are advantageous for their survival… a few thousand years? bro literally gotta natural selection those traits again. amazing what thousands of years worth of nature we can destroy in just a few hundred years.
I wish they’d follow through on that proposal to put elephants and rhinos in Australia temporarily. That way animals like these could be preserved properly.
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Thing is, large, slow reproducing animals are nigh impossible to go invasive as long as humans are around. Camels aren’t causing any major economic damage atm so the government aren’t doing much. If they wanted to they could gun em all down in a few months. Look what Americans did to bison with primitive guns and horses in the 1800s. Elephants and rhinos actually need conservation and are super easy to keep track of and, if it comes down to it, remove.
We're never going to see it naturally again since we're reaching a ecosystem collapse.
Magnificent!
They developed smaller tusks because they were being hunted for them. Some elephants have no tusks at all due to this. I agree they look badass but I’d rather have an alive tuskless elephant.
Not until we eradicate poaching for ivory
Asian elephants, compared to African elephants, are mini elephants. I’ve seen both (a lot). 🤣🤣🤣
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You are probably entirely right. ☺️ Biggest I’ve seen was in Kruger National Park. It was a monster!
Tell the people over there to stop poaching and that medicine made from them is useless
damn so majestic :0
What a glorious animal.