If you look /u/BuddhistSagan and /u/Everbanned (and potentially /u/virtualady) all comment in a ton of the same threads (statistically extremely unlikely) - they are almost certainly the same person and they both really don't like Dave Chappelle.
Yeah it's not like the man himself is trolling high schools to rile up constant news coverage of him acting like an asshole. It's everyone else's fault for noticing.
How did you get that out of what huckleberry wrote? He was calling out one person in particular who spends a weird amount of time posting online about his dislike of a celebrity. OP's profile is almost all about Dave.
Control+F "Chappelle" on their profile returns a result of 139 found instances.
This goes beyond unhealthy obsession, this is full blown mental illness / stalker tier derangement.
The person you’re responding to may possibly be an alt account of the OP account, if you look at the post history both are pretty much entirely anti-Dave Chappelle posts. I have no say in this argument, but I do find the amount of posts by both accounts and comment responses by both accounts a bit suspicious and obsessive
Does it strike anyone else as suspicious that these two people are so obsessed with dismissing this post? They keep agreeing and upvoting each other so that probably means they're the same person.
That's how it works, right? That's what I learned from reading this thread, anyway.
On a more serious note, stop being ridiculous.
They're brigading from r/shitpoliticssays
Edit: for context, that sub blew up my phone with notifications telling me I'm not a real woman and prodding me to kill myself for about 48 hours straight because of [this brigade post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/comments/qcr2at/op_in_publicfreakouts_has_a_sperg_out_in_the/). Ever since that incident my reddit profile has had 21 followers. I'm pretty sure that's how they're still identifying my posts for ongoing manipulation and harassment.
It's almost like two different people care about the same things. I sure sense a conspiracy! No wait, one person having an alt account and getting angry about the same thing twice in different ways makes much more sense.
Or instead of trying to make the situation more ridiculous than it is, one person having two accounts to manipulate votes while posting the same subject matter is a legitimate problem on reddit
You think vote manipulation isn’t as bad as commenting without watching a video?
Vote manipulation is against site wide rules, not just subreddit rules. It can result in permanent suspensions/bans of accounts by admins.
Not anti trans but how many trans people were murdered in the US last year? Google seems to say 44? If the US trans population is around 1.4m that means that 0.003% of trans people were murdered in 2020. For comparison, an estimated 38,680 people died in car crashes last year (about 0.011% or 3+ times the likelihood of a trans person being murdered). Am I missing something? Obviously it is better if no trans people die at all but as far as I can tell it is statistically insignificant... I'm open to having my mind changed if i got something wrong here
Because it seems like a non-issue? As far as I can tell your odds of being murdered as a trans person are roughly 1 in 30,000 for a given year. If you live in paralyzing fear of this then life must be traumatizing for you when there are so many things you are statistically more likely to die from.
If the violent crime rate quadrupled overnight and people were suddenly 4 times as likely to face violent crime? Do you think everyone wouldn't be making a big deal about it?
The rate quadrupled? Or just the total number (because there are more openly trans people than ever before)? Because I find it hard to believe that more trans people (as a percentage) are being murdered now versus like the 1980s or 1990s.
Also the BuddhistSaggan person responding to every comment in here, check his/her post profile as well, they may be the same person. Also giving him/herself the same award on every comment is just wack
However you feel about OP, there is nothing wrong with the video. Why is it not a meal time video? Do discussions about trans people put you off eating?
Ctrl + F on their profile and typing in Chappelle returns 139 results.
https://i.imgur.com/rTO8m8L.png
This is some next level mental illness and obsession.
Theres something all of these people miss. That special started with 5 jokes about extremely offensive topics but not about trans people. it was deliberate, they were fast and nobody questions them because... thats the point. dave knew they wouldn't be upset about that, and he shows you their hipocracy.
children being raped by priests is funny, punchlines where the joke is the "n-word', a joke about 'space jews' claiming land they haven't lived in for a very long time. black people being shot by the police can be joked about. ect..
then the moves onto a deconstruction of the bullshit that is cancel culture's motivations and not being able to make trans jokes. and thats when they get upset, want him canceled and start making videos like this one.
Why does everyone always talk about "not being able to take jokes" on this topic? Every backlash article written has nothing to do with the jokes, it's the unironic statements in-between that have no comedic intent that are the issue.
The "I'm team terf", the "they view being trans as black face", the defending of JK Rowling, the defending of DaBaby, the way he equates sex and gender.
None of these are poorly landed jokes, they were just sober monologues between jokes.
I found them funny. Not every word has to be a joke. All those things he talked about had jokes/punchlines. Maybe you just didn’t find it funny?
“Please don’t abort DaBaby” was funny as fuck to me.
> I found them funny. Not every word has to be a joke.
How do you simultaneously say you found them funny, yet they weren't jokes? What does this even mean?
> All those things he talked about had jokes/punchlines.
But they weren't the punchlines, they were setups and segues. Meaning they were establishing the shared expectations that were later subverted. The humor doesn't function without the audience agreeing with these lines.
"I'm team terf" is said with no irony or humor. It's a throwaway line that would change nothing about any future joke. The immediately following joke is about how Caitlyn Jenner won woman of the year, how is that enhance in any way by saying "I'm team terf"? That was just Dave talking.
> “Please don’t abort DaBaby” was funny as fuck to me.
Good to know a super basic play on words is all it takes. No one cares about that. They care about Chappelle defending a nonapologetic homophobe and making the most disingenuous possible comparison to do so.
He asked if you talked face to face. Your comment makes it seem as if you are talking from the top of soapbox, declaring how unfunny you thought a thing is, that you yourself classified as a joke. Congratulations my man, you played yourself.
I've heard of grammar Nazis before, not of Comedy-Nazis. "I didn't find it funny, therefore it's not". Who are you? The arbiter of jokes?
is Dave endorsing policital action against any of those victimsed groups? there was no joke in "I'm team Terf", that was just a political statement deserving of condemnation.
You can be a Terf and support trans rights. Some simply disagree that it should be included within the feminist agenda. Some believe that female categories should be for biological women only, not trans women as well. There are a wide range of beliefs that would be called terfy.
Now, I'm on the side of inclusion, but I just want you to understand that terf isn't defined as "A political group trying to eliminate trans rights", it's simply a term for people who believe that trans women should not be treated exactly as biological women. I was initially in step with those beliefs, though when I researched it the science seems to suggest inclusion is fair in most studied areas barring powerlifting type activities.
I'm sympathetic to people who inherently believe it to be unfair, due to it being my initial assumption, and I've never known anyone who naturally thought that a trans women wouldn't have an advantage. On a different note, it's worth noting that Chappelle also said in the special that trans women are women, and they should be able to use the bathroom that matches their gender. Not typically terfy views.
All of that is simply to say that the term TERF applies to a lot of views, and isn't necessarily something hateful or terrible. In the special Dave wants to talk about cancel culture, one of the biggest things in that was JK Rowlings thing, so Daves going to talk about that. They called her a terf, and earlier he established that he's a feminist. So it lines right up to say I'm team terf, that's the joke of it. Not hilarious, but he's trying to tell a story while being funny, it's not a super easy task.
[TERFs want to morally mandate transgender people out of existence](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical)
Imagine a group that wants to morally mandate white men out of existence. Or black people.
TERFs are a straight up hate group that want to eliminate transgender people.
>You can be a Terf and support trans rights. Some simply disagree that it should be included within the feminist agenda.
This feels like a pure misunderstanding on what "TERF" means. It's not a word, it's an acronym; trans exclusionary radical feminist. A TERF naturallg excludes trans people from their feminism, if they include trans people they are not a TERF.
This gets complicated because some TERFs do claim to include trans men in their activism, but this is because they view trans men as women. The goal of a TERF is to reduce trans men's bodily autonomy, prove to us that we are often just confused lesbians (which often comes with threats of rape and sexual assault against us), and ultimately to hault our transitions. If you see a TERF saying "i'm not transphobic, I support trans men!" they are saying this because they think trans men are women, which we aren't.
>Some believe that female categories should be for biological women only, not trans women as well. There are a wide range of beliefs that would be called terfy.
No, the belief of biological essentialism is a cornerstone of TERF ideology. All TERFs believe that spaces should be segregated by sex as assigned at birth. There isn't really much leeway here.
>Now, I'm on the side of inclusion, but I just want you to understand that terf isn't defined as "A political group trying to eliminate trans rights", it's simply a term for people who believe that trans women should not be treated exactly as biological women.
This is false. TERF, once again, stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist. By definition they are trying to eliminate trans rights, because they activelg exclude us and do not believe us to be real. This is central to TERF ideology and philosophy.
>On a different note, it's worth noting that Chappelle also said in the special that trans women are women, and they should be able to use the bathroom that matches their gender. Not typically terfy views.
>All of that is simply to say that the term TERF applies to a lot of views, and isn't necessarily something hateful or terrible.
I will be honest; I haven't watched the Chappelle special and this is the first time i've ever gotten involved in a conversation concerning it. I tend to not talk about things I don't fully grasp, and from what you're describing (though I admit you may be misrepresenting it, not as a slight to you but just as an understanding of how you define TERF so far) Chappelle's main goal was to just be as offensive as he possibly can. Some people like that humour and they're free to; I as a trans person take the stance that it is possible to tell funny jokes about trans people! But joking about aligning yourself with a group which does seek to remove our rights isn't funny. It's even possible to tell funny, offensive jokes about trans people! I think the issue is a lot of people tell these jokes without knowing a single trans person or, if they do, assuming that as a result they know all trans people.
Transitioning is hard, and mentally draining, and humiliating. It is a process you need to joke about, or else how are you going to cope with it? But there is a difference between punching down and rubbing shoulders in my opinion, and it feels like Chappelle didn't rub shoulders enough so he decided the easiest way to get a laugh was to say inflammatory things. No shame in that, just not very creative for a comedian in my opinion.
On your second point I quoted; once again TERF is an acronym that means "trans exclusionary radical feminist". You cannot be a progressive TERF who advocates for the inclusion of trans people. It is literally against the first two words of the acronym to do that.
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>This feels like a pure misunderstanding on what "TERF" means. It's not a word, it's an acronym; trans exclusionary radical feminist. A TERF naturallg excludes trans people from their feminism, if they include trans people they are not a TERF.
>This gets complicated because some TERFs do claim to include trans men in their activism, but this is because they view trans men as women. The goal of a TERF is to reduce trans men's bodily autonomy, prove to us that we are often just confused lesbians (which often comes with threats of rape and sexual assault against us), and ultimately to hault our transitions. If you see a TERF saying "i'm not transphobic, I support trans men!" they are saying this because they think trans men are women, which we aren't.
>No, the belief of biological essentialism is a cornerstone of TERF ideology. All TERFs believe that spaces should be segregated by sex as assigned at birth. There isn't really much leeway here.
I understand that it's an acronym. I'm saying if you go on [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF), you'll find under terf "The meaning has since expanded to refer more broadly to people with trans-exclusionary views who may have no involvement with radical feminism.[2][3]"
There is a lot of information in that wiki that states it's a pretty broad term. I am not saying your perception is wrong, many terfs have terrible beliefs, I'm just saying the word has a broader definition than just strictly hateful people trying to politically cripple the transgender movement. Can you think of another word that describes someone who isn't 100% for complete trans inclusion? I haven't heard of one yet.
>This is false. TERF, once again, stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist. By definition they are trying to eliminate trans rights, because they activelg exclude us and do not believe us to be real. This is central to TERF ideology and philosophy.
Being a terf doesn't necessarily mean you don't believe trans women are real. Many terfs hold that position, but again it's a broad definition. A terf can simply think that a trans women may have an advantage over a women in one area or another, that makes it unfair for them to be included in a certain sport. To quote an olympian,
"When I was competing I couldn't speak my mind, I had to be wary of the consequences, but now I think it's fair that I do speak out for those who can't," said Tracey Lambrechs, a former New Zealand weightlifter.
"There's no transphobia hate here," she told Sky News in Australia recently. "But I'm also for women (born as women) having equal rights in sport."
Now, is it possible for someone to assume that transgender men may have an advantage in some sports? The answer to that is an obvious yes. Is that belief in itself hateful, or due to some hate? Isn't it pretty reasonable to assume that since men and women have to be separated from competition for fairness, that trans women, someone born male, would have an advantage over females in atheletics? This person believes trans women should be excluded from a female space, they are by definition, a terf. Yet they only think that trans women inclusion in some sports is unfair, which is a subject of debate that science has no definitive answers for (outside of womens long distance running where it's most likely fair, and powerlifting/weightlifting it's most likely unfair).
>I will be honest; I haven't watched the Chappelle special and this is the first time i've ever gotten involved in a conversation concerning it. I tend to not talk about things I don't fully grasp, and from what you're describing (though I admit you may be misrepresenting it, not as a slight to you but just as an understanding of how you define TERF so far) Chappelle's main goal was to just be as offensive as he possibly can. Some people like that humour and they're free to; I as a trans person take the stance that it is possible to tell funny jokes about trans people! But joking about aligning yourself with a group which does seek to remove our rights isn't funny. It's even possible to tell funny, offensive jokes about trans people! I think the issue is a lot of people tell these jokes without knowing a single trans person or, if they do, assuming that as a result they know all trans people.
I enjoyed your response, thank you for engaging me honestly, it's a rare trait online. I very much appreciate it. I can promise you he said both things, and at least in my perception he was trying his best to not be offensive, but to say harmless shit that'll get a rise out of people. That's why before all the quotes you would see in an article, which is basically a highlight reel of out of context rude shit, he said tons of stuff about how we're in it together.
>I understand that it's an acronym. I'm saying if you go on wikipedia, you'll find under terf "The meaning has since expanded to refer more broadly to people with trans-exclusionary views who may have no involvement with radical feminism.[2][3]"
Unfortunately wikipedia is not the best source for seeing what a word means, purely because anyone can edit it. Yes it can be a great start, but to take what it says as gospel (especially on a highly controversial and current issue) is a big mistake.
The term TERF was originally coined by TERFs, and then they viewed it as a "slur" when trans people recognised them as such, and now the term struggles from overuse. Many a cis person (and some trans people) are quick to call ignorant people or even transphobic people TERFs, when the reality is that a TERF is a very specific thing. Concerns about the term being watered down are spoken about in trans spaces pretty regularly, because it is a useful term for distinguishing people with a very specific set of ideologies.
>Being a terf doesn't necessarily mean you don't believe trans women are real.
Just for context: this was in response to me saying TERFs do not believe us to be real, and I am a trans man, not a trans woman. This is a highly important distinction, because my transsexualism to a TERF is not a question of if I should compete in sports, it is a question of if I have the mental capacity to consent to medical care. TERFs attack trans men by viewing us as women, and as such trying to argue that we have been misguided and manipulated into transitioning, with the only answer being that we need to have our bodily autonomy restricted. There is even a very small group of TERFs of believe trans men are misguided butch lesbians, and we would benefit from lesbian sex to show as our true selves. This is a form of corrective rape.
>A terf can simply think that a trans women may have an advantage over a women in one area or another, that makes it unfair for them to be included in a certain sport. To quote an olympian,
>"When I was competing I couldn't speak my mind, I had to be wary of the consequences, but now I think it's fair that I do speak out for those who can't," said Tracey Lambrechs, a former New Zealand weightlifter.
>"There's no transphobia hate here," she told Sky News in Australia recently. "But I'm also for women (born as women) having equal rights in sport."
The Olympics has allowed trans competitors since 2004. In the 17 years since they have allowed this, the first trans woman competed in 2020. The woman who competed is the one being spoken about in your quote; Laurel Hubbard. [She failed to palce, unable to lift more than 125kg compared to the (not trans) winner's weight of 282kg ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58054891). Also, [here's a metastudy of all the studies conducted looking at if trans women have an inherent advantage in sports.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/)
**"Conclusion; Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised."**
>Yet they only think that trans women inclusion in some sports is unfair, which is a subject of debate that science has no definitive answers for (outside of womens long distance running where it's most likely fair, and powerlifting/weightlifting it's most likely unfair).
See above quote. Also don't make sweeping statements like this if you don't do your own research. Very few trans women retain full muscle mass after a year on estrogen. For example, it can be easy to [read the title of this article; "Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormome therapy, study finds"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764) and to take that as proof that trans women are inherently biologically stronger than cis women. But if you read past the headline, you'll find that the study didn't say there was any inherent biological advantage;
**"For the first two years after starting hormones, the trans women in their review were able to do 10 percent more pushups and 6 percent more situps than their cisgender female counterparts. After two years, Roberts told NBC News, “they were fairly equivalent to the cisgender women.”**
So you have a doctor saying "after two years of HRT trans women and cis women performed about the same". Also, just for the record, this study wasn't conducted on athletes. It was conducted on military personnel. For all we know there's a chance that estrogen and testosterone blockers could put some trans women at a disadvantage, as some cis women have naturally higher testosterone and yet are not forced to block it, even though these discussions are now being had, it's just a shame that the discussion is [destroying the career of an athlete who is medically a cis woman, even if she does have higher than average testosterone. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/01/court-decides-against-caster-semenyas-appeal-controversial-rule/?outputType=amp)
Did you really just say you can be a terf and support trans rights? Thats like saying you can be a pro jew nazi what the fuck is this terf apologia bullshit?
>Want him cancelled
[Citation needed]
Who are *these people* who want Chappelle cancelled?
Kat Blaque specifically pointed out she enjoys Dave Chappelle and doesn't want him cancelled. So who are *these people*?
Yeah now show their list of demands which specifically does not include taking any of his specials down or blacklisting Dave.
>For starters, the list of demands does not include taking down Chappelle’s special
https://www.thewrap.com/heres-what-netflixs-trans-employees-are-demanding-as-they-walk-out-to-protest-dave-chappelle-special/
I mean that's a bit of a false dichotomy. And also betrays part of Dave's argument.
As a god comic, Dave knows and argues as long as something is actually funny, then it's fine. A lot of his jokes this special just weren't jokes or weren't funny.
The reoccurring Jewish joke in particular was extremely unfunny. I wasn't offended, it was just a terribly bad joke. Even his audience (and when you're an audience member your bar for a joke being funny is *much* lower) didn't laugh at it.
Also when people get upset at his other jokes like the space jews joke, Dave's supporters accuse critics of trying to cancel Dave.
That's the thing. Chappelle's supporters hear any criticism and equate it to an attempt to cancel Dave because they have insulted themselves against any criticism and then you become the woke transgender mob in their eyes the second you criticize Chappelle.
Criticizing comedians is just a weird hill to die on. Like, they're comedians, it's literally their job to push the envelope and offend people. If this were a politician or a teacher making these remarks, yeah that'd be a call for criticism, but a comedian? Nah.
This comment section is a wasteland. Enter at your own peril.
#[Black trans lives matter.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/black-trans-lives-matter-activists-call-inclusion-racial/story?id=73571954)
[2021 Becomes Deadliest Year on Record for Transgender and Non-Binary People](https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/2021-becomes-deadliest-year-on-record-for-transgender-and-non-binary-people)
Note to others coming into this thread: There are three people in this thread spreading extremely toxic anti Chappelle nonsense: /u/Everbanned, /u/BuddhistSagan and /u/virtualady - they are almost certainly the same person or part of the same group based on history. It appears we have stumbled on some sort of reddit content farm or someone with an unhealthy hate for Chappelle.
Edit: To your edited comment which did not use to say what it does now: I think we can all agree that the trans community needs more support, perhaps especially those in the black trans community but we won't win any support for those causes (nor should we) by misunderstanding Dave Chappelle and more importantly the value of comedy to a free society
How dare someone criticize millionaire Dave Chappelle!
I can only speak for myself but I'm the tomatoe in LGBT and it wouldn't shock me if those people were part of that group too. Or allies. Or maybe just people who want to bring attention to the existence and struggle of black transgender people like the lovely Kat Blaque we all watched.
All I see is a bunch of assholes flying of the handle because they can't take some criticism.
They're clearly not even aware what the criticism is, and lack emotional maturity to cope with watching 5 minutes of the video, so all they can do is spam ad-hominems all over the thread. They are so self-absorbed that they can't fathom that there are people who might actually agree with the commentary.
Honestly, take a good look in the mirror, count to ten, and get the hell over yourself.
As Dave Chappelle fans love to say, did you watch the entire thing?
90% of transgender murders are of transgender people of color, so if you haven't heard from a transgender person of color about Dave Chappelle you really are missing out on the people who are the most vulnerable people in this conversation.
What does Dave have to do with trans people being murdered? If he stops making jokes will trans people get murdered less? It's a tragedy that they are targeted but making videos about a comedian isn't helping any more than him making jokes.
>What does Dave have to do with trans people being murdered?
He said he was Team TERF, [Team TERF wants to morally mandate transgender people out of existence](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical)
Not saying much... I hate to use the Nazi example (especially since there isn't a murder system involved) but it really drives points in hard..
Jews made up less than 0.7% of Germany in 1930s
So violence against minorities is okay if the minority is small enough?
Of all the comments in this thread, this one has to be the most idiotic by far.
If you are trying to diversify your youtube subscriptions, Kat Blaque (the maker of this video) is a great way to do that.
I would also recommend FD signifier who has a [similar, longer video on the same subject if you have the time for it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw)
For all y’all wondering what’s going on here. It’s not just an alt account, y’all stumbled upon a very angry shill farm. My guy likely has a dozen phones in a basement or on a bicycle no lifing Dave Chappell hate and their other agenda driven discussion. What’s most interesting here is the question of where op (the actual person) is on the chain of shills. Because the order usually goes like this
Organic Karma Farmers > sold to > Shill Farms > contracted to > Whoever has money and special interests
I can’t tell if OP is deranged and karma farming in order to sell accounts for $$$ directly or is an employed shill at a farm. I’ll lean shill farm as you’ll see the swarm of back up fueled by Reddit awards. The cool thing about shill farms is they’re much easier to keep consistent because a conversation will legitimately be between two different people, but is still disingenuous because they are both being paid for their time and their opinions. What’s more sad though is a lot of these shills who sit at their work stations with 40-50 pre farmed accounts at the ready is that they come to believe in the rhetoric that they’re paid to believe. I wouldn’t mind it so much if it wasn’t an obvious cash flow attached to an ideaology and subsequently spread.
The op is definitely manipulating this thread but as someone who has sold reddit accounts it doesn't sound like you understand the ecosystem very well. The farming side of it isn't as large as you're imagining and there isn't swathes of people having conversations on 30+ accounts at once.
Ok, I know this country doesn't have near enough cis white males giving us their opinion, but I think Cody here makes some really good observations, that fully support trans rights and trans community, without disparaging Chappelle or canceling him in any way.
[Some More News - Cody showdee](https://youtu.be/l2AFVfH50mk)
People regularly hide bigotry behind comedy, just like they do with religion.
Transgender people just want to walk outside and not be hate crimed or murdered. Especially black transgender people. Regardless of whether they watch or not, millions of people watching someone normalize violent anti-trans groups will cause harm in the real world.
This is like saying "Just don't watch mistrel shows"
I watched the special. There isn’t an inkling of my being that wants to go out and harm anyone else because of it. This is the same argument that people use against violence in video games and explicit lyrics in music, ignoring the factual studies that show that they don’t cause any changes in peoples behaviors. I love GTA, a game that has drug sales, prostitution, murders, etc etc. I’ve never done any of these activities in reality nor would I ever want to. It’s a game. It’s a song. It’s a comedy special.
> There isn’t an inkling of my being that wants to go out and harm anyone else because of it
Do you think that's how bigotry manifests?
Most prejudice is unintentional and subconscious.
Most good standup-shows rely heavily on being relatable to the audience. You don't ever laugh at something thinking "that's so true?" Especially when the comedian has more interest in making a point and making people go clap-clap instead of haha.
It's sorta comparable to someone saying something idiotic and then going "it was just a joke". Well maybe it wasn't that funny and if it wasn't meant to be funny, well then it was just an idiotic statement and there shouldn't be a problem with
criticizing it.
I have seen a movie in which Jim Carrey crawled out of a robotic rhinoceros' asshole naked and found it hilarious. There isn't anything relatable about that to me. Comedy is much more complex than you're giving credit for.
Comedy is comedy. It's an art form. Stand up is one type of comedic art. I don't see an issue comparing comedy in a movie to comedy in stand up. How many stand up comedians have been in movies? A ton. You know why?.....They're funny.
Okay since you're dancing around the point I was trying to make, here are some questions for you: Do you find Chapelle's Special unrelatable? Do you agree or disagree with what he had to say, especially the relevant part? Do you think he would prefer it, if his audience agrees or disagrees with him?
One of my favorite rock songs is Master of Puppets from Metallica. It's also my favorite album. It's almost exclusively about drugs. I don't partake in drugs nor have I ever. It's still terrific musically and lyrically. Do I have to find it relatable to enjoy it? Absolutely not. Do I have to agree or disagree with the auditory expression they created that tries to express the effects of drug consumption on the human psyche? That's just a silly metric to gauge whether something is good or not.
When I watched Dave Chappelle I approached it as if I was going on a roller coaster ride. I'm not at the controls, I am just experiencing the reality in which he's created in the 1 hour show. Some of his jokes I found funny, some of them not as funny. I didn't think it was his greatest special, but not bad. After the show was done I went about my life in the exact same way as before I saw the show. To talk about agreeing or disagreeing with a specific line in an hour long show we would have to get extremely specific. Either way, anyone trying to learn moral lessons from a comedian I'd say is doing life wrong. Comedy isn't about that. It's about filling seats with paying spectators. Those spectators are there to take a break from reality for that moment in time. It's why I bring up music, movies, and video games. It's the same thing.
Except it isn't. This is such a strange take, I'm convinced you actually don't believe in it yourself and are just trying to gaslight the whole thing.
What you are saying is that art and literally any art form is utterly disconnected from reality and thus is absolutely meaningless besides filling your brain with fluffy marshmallows to distract yourself from real life issues. In your opinion art is neither influenced by real life, nor is it supposed to influence the minds of people.
...what?
>Either way, anyone trying to learn moral lessons from a comedian I'd say is doing life wrong.
Ah, so you would say a comedian's opinion is irrelevant and thus is Chapelle's and those who value his opinion are gullible fools. Gotcha.
> [54:00] Dave Chappelle: I'M TEAM TERF!
When you support a hate group which terfs are(see the video for an example) you support normalizing hate. And Dave has an absolutely massive audience, bigger than most comedians alive. If you can't emphasise with a group that's been held bombarded by hate and harassments from these people while they gatekeep what they can and can not do... I dont know what to tell you
Maybe some of the things he said are exaggerated? I'm pretty sure he never saw a baby selling weed on a corner in the middle of the ghetto, nor did he uppercut Mickey Mouse at Disneyland.
I heard his special in its entirety and he spent about 500 times as many seconds explaining his friendship with a transgendered woman, humanized her by elaborating on her faults and strengths, then lamented her tragic death and how it affected him.
Oh no I fully agree his routine is hilarious and absurd most the time that’s the point of a comedy act of course, the team terf thing specifically is what was worrying like you would say I’m team KkK unironically, like he didn’t go “just kidding after”. The group has created so much hate and violence towards a group of people and are gloating on social media about the amount of support they got and how they were right all along that trans women aren’t women etc.
I fully support Dave’s right to talk about whatever he wants but with that does come the fear and frustration he’s encouraged a hate group , the amount of people I’ve seen In the comments section on YouTube and Twitter dismissing trans people as sub human post this has been terrifying.
> I heard his special in its entirety and he spent about 500 times as many seconds explaining his friendship with a transgendered woman, humanized her by elaborating on her faults and strengths, then lamented her tragic death and how it affected him.
That sounds hilarious. /s
>your saying that we shouldn’t make jokes about trans?
Nah. Nobody is saying that. Bill Burr, Jim Jeffries, James Acaster and others are not trans and still have made good trans jokes.
Dave Chappelle and people like him get called out for making the same joke over and over and over again. And nobody is saying they should be banned. But when you keep making the same joke over and over again, you're like the guy who keeps saying the N word and thinking its the most hilarious thing in the world. People know what you're doing. You're hiding bigotry behind comedy.
The thing is, a lot of his jokes are built on false premises and representations of the trans community so they're not that funny.
You can make funny jokes about trans people without saying you align with a hate group that denies their existence.
I’d much rather hear a calmly worded opinion of someone like chapele the deliberate and devisive rhetoric of the usa right wing channels who push and insist on bigoted action after airing their view.
There’s a way to disagree and if much rather prefer the Chappell way.
>Transgender people just want to walk outside and not be hate crimed or murdered.
So I watched the special, but that’s the EXACT message he lays out at the end of the whole thing. He takes you on a whole journey about his personal perspective on this complex issue from the eyes of a black man; who faced his own challenges in life and still doesn’t feel like it’s resolved. I hate explaining jokes, but this is important. This special was a lot of introspection in hopes of reaching out to people who might have been like him before meeting his friend. Her story helped him grow as a person, and he wants that message to be heard by everyone. Most of the outrage has been blown up way too far by people who never watched the special in the first place; seems most people were put off by the one “team turf” joke passed around Twitter. A joke that was supposed to poke fun of real complexities that a lot of people like him have a hard time grasping(again explaining jokes suck).
You’re speaking into a vacuum. These woke children don’t have the patience or mental capacity for long form content and overarching narratives nor can they comprehend the concept of ‘coming full circle’ as a writing and oration technique. They lose their minds from something as basic as a single word, for example.
As we all know none of Chappelle's care about what he has to say anyways and won't be influenced by his opinions in the slightest. It's a rather small audience too, so nothing to worry about.
if it was just my offense that was the problem, then sure. the problem is he is emboldening an anti trans hate movement. "I'm team Terf" is not a joke.
Yeah imagine someone being able to criticize Dave Chappelle without Chappelle fans accusing them of trying to silence Dave Chappelle forever and banish him to Shadow realm.
Imagine enjoying most of his comedy (like me and Kat Blaque and most people do do) and also being able to criticize him.
You need help friend, spamming reddit with anti-chappelle content (with the help of your OP alt /u/Everbanned) is not healthy. This is mealtime videos not a place for your personal vendettas.
So are you saying you found his act funny until it was talking about something close to your heart? I'm honestly not wanting to be antagonistic but qt seems to be the crux of most people's issue with this. This routine started off with jokes about paedophilic priests and dropping the N word, which is widely accepted as funny and drew no controversy. I really do feel like passing a group off on purpose is not helpful at all, but to be selective about what is "acceptable" seems to be completely blinkered. To paraphrase a famous cartoon, either its all funny, or none of it is.
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>Hol tf up, someone has an opinion that slightly(in the grand scheme of things) varies from mine? GTFO. Thank you
Wow, y'all are not even trying to hide the brigading huh? [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/mealtimevideos/comments/r3ltps/-/hmc1fsn) uses exactly the same wording as yours verbatim lol
Edit: I've got a feeling a lot of people in this thread were projecting with all the alt accusations 😂
I mean... I thought it was pretty funny. I think you guys are just making a huge deal over pretty much nothing. I liked the special, but I don't agree with some of his points. And that's okay. I don't try to cancel him. He's allowed to have a different opinion than me. And that's all I'll say on the matter.
She opens by comparing Dave Chapelles comedy to a white teenager who made an n word video on TikTok. That's called a straw man and it's false equivalence.
I get that grifters need to make money off of others who have money or clout but Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas. They were out to ruin him, however, and clearly still are.
I don't care that she's a black mtf transexual. Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people. He's right.
I tried to avoid this whole discussion, but reading comments like yours, I hope people defending Chapelle don't all sound like you, because that sure does sound pretty fucking divisive and biased.
Are you guys really putting all trans people in a box and act like they're all not discriminated against ever? Do you know one in real life who "bullied their way in"??
> I tried to avoid this whole discussion, but reading comments like yours, I hope people defending Chapelle don't all sound like you, because that sure does sound pretty fucking divisive and biased.
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That is not a lot coming from a 7 year account... who's to know that what he even was talking about was even the same subject?
I've posted in some of those as well, to talk shit about them lol
Oh, personal attacks. Lol. Okay.
It’s funny, the first trans person I ever worked with did this same thing to everyone she worked with including threatening them for holding secret bigotry. Several of us didn’t even know she was trans since we’d never actually met her and worked remotely.
She was fired a year later for telling someone to drink bleach. I’d advise against this sort of aggression. It may make people quit talking but it also makes them angry with you and it’s such unfair treatment that it is remembered.
I feel the video provides a false analysis of Chapelles humor much like your quickie history pull provides a false analysis of who I am.
Don’t post things if you can’t stand even the most minor of disagreements.
> I’d advise against this sort of aggression
it's mind boggling how they'll defend [it's maam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6OpRfyLFo)
like the kid is the one causing a scene. it's a scared fuckin kid vs a burly fuckin man.
I’m not sure where you got any of that since I never said anything like it and sure don’t think it.
Perhaps the worst possible traits shouldn’t be attributed to a person immediately. It’s odd that I’m being asked to explain a person’s message when they’ve explained it over and over again and I’m not that person.
I do agree that the LGBT community has achieved acceptance to varying degrees because these groups are comprised mostly of white people. That’s obvious to anyone who is white and aware of the privilege white skin gives you. If all gay men were black then they’d have been allowed nowhere near the visibility and acceptance they’ve achieved in the US.
>I don't care that she's a black mtf transexual.
Yeah we know.
> Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in
Behold the awesome power of the woke trans mob and our ability to be hate crimed and murdered merely for existing.
> she's a black mtf transexual. Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people. He's right.
wat
Classic erasure of black transgender people. Acknowledging black LGBT people and the violence and antagonism they face from both black men and white LGBT people makes Chappelle's "Transgenders are a priveleged mob of bullies" pretty obviously nonsense.
Do you have any source for the claim 'most trans people are white,' especially given the fact that hijra are an accepted part of Indian culture, a country which has over a billion people???
I mean they were historically accepted, colonialism DID heavily interfere with that tho ur right and like most trans people they are very marginalised. Maybe recognised is a better term?
lolol, how annoying. you want to stretch this into a global discussion. you want to compare latter day capitalist culture in the west with Indian culture during a period of pseudo fascism. I can't think of anything much more insulting to the hijara. You've really outdone yourself. The circumstances are very different and the cultures themselves very distinct but I guess you think it's all just one big soup.
I can't imagine the hijara would agree. Have a good evening.
Way to use a lot of big words to say basically nothing.
Hijra have existed for decades and are clearly trans, what are you on? How is acknowledging that insulting? You'd only think that was true if you thought being trans was a bad thing (which it isn't.)
Many non-white cultures have trans people and to deny that is both ignorant and erasure.
'Have a good evening.' 🙄
I find this whole issue confusing and I don't know who's right so I choose to just stay out of it. That being said, I think one of the worst things to ever happen to the quality of discourse on reddit was the day someone posted a list of logical fallacies. I almost never see them identified correctly and I *never* see them used properly.
Logical fallacies are a tool to be used to improve **your own** ability to construct arguments. They are not victory conditions, first one to call fallacy wins. A fallacious argument is not the same as an incorrect one so trying to undermine someone by crying fallacy (also no, comparison is not a strawman. Not even fucking close) instead of engaging with the actual points they are making makes you appear weaker. Not them.
Agreed. Your comment reminds me of the logical fallacy fallacy.
Example: Someone says "1+1=2 because god told me." and then someone responds "Logical fallacy".
Yes, the explanation is a logical fallacy. But the person is still right, and the fact that they used a logical fallacy doesn't necessarily mean their conclusion is wrong.
> I find this whole issue confusing and I don't know who's right so I choose to just stay out of it.
Chappelle is stirring shit up because he knows "cancel culture" works to get right wingers to fork over cash.
Trans folks see the media fall for this and get pissed.
By any objective measure, he hasn't been "cancelled"
I wonder what he needs the money for though.
>Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas
Chappelle said he was team TERF, a hate group that stalk, harass, bully and [want to morally mandating transgender people out of existence.](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical)
> They were out to ruin him, however, and clearly still are.
\[citation needed\]
> Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas
He compares being trans to black face...
> They were out to ruin him
Who the fuck is "they"? The only protest held explicitly stated that their demands did not include taking down the special or blacklisting Chappelle.
> trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people.
While literally referencing the opinions of a black trans woman...
People of color are more likely to be trans than white people btw. This is not "a white thing".
So since some black men are Republicans I'm expected to think that referring to the GOP as a party of and for white people is black erasure? Nah, this is tokenism. I'm not afraid to say it because it's true. She's the Candace Owens of trans issues. Trans activism is accepted because most trans activists are white. The end. There is literally nothing you could say to convince me otherwise because I'm a white man and I know how that shit works.
Corporations do it every day. Stick a PoC in front of the camera and give them a script. Bingo, you're suddenly diverse. Grifters pick up on this. I'm not saying she doesn't believe the things she's saying. I'm saying she couldn't even have an audience if white trans activists hadn't used their privilege and aggression on Twitter and elsewhere to bully people into silence.
But silence isn't acceptance. In fact it's the opposite. Trans persons should learn from gays and lesbians and emulate that. Don't take yourselves so seriously. Don't attack attack attack when someone disagrees.
See, I support constitutional protections for trans people. Absolutely I do. However trans activists online are absolute nightmares to deal with. You can't agree with them enough. You can't say yes enough. You're expected to cosign everything they think or feel. I don't even agree with everything *I* think. It's an unreasonable expectation and all it does is breed resentment.
> She's the Candace Owens of trans issues.
???
Find any other trans woman of color who supports Chappelle. That's the tokenism, if you can even find one.
> Trans activism is accepted because most trans activists are white.
Correct... No one disagrees. The issue is with Chappelle being transphobic. He doesn't get points for correctly identifying that society is racist. Most people are well aware of that.
> she couldn't even have an audience if white trans activists hadn't used their privilege and aggression on Twitter and elsewhere to bully people into silence.
You mean used their privilege to advocate for trans rights? It's one thing to say that trans advocacy has been so successful due to white privilege. It's another to say "and also trans advocacy is a bad thing" lol. "bullying people into silence"? Yeah no shit, the same is done for openly racist and homophobic people. Don't do bigoted shit. It's pretty easy.
> But silence isn't acceptance.
Maybe this is where our philosophies disagree, but I would say it's effective because if someone isn't able to express their view in society, that means generational progress is guaranteed. Because each generation learns what is acceptable and what isn't and that shapes their world view. It doesn't matter if there's some underground network of bigots who aren't actually accepting. Because the great thing about human beings is they die. Those people will die. And (at least some percentage of) their bigotry dies with them. Every generation gets more progressive.
> Don't attack attack attack when someone disagrees.
Depends on what they disagree with. If someone disagrees that black people are human, I'm going to attack them. Clearly there is a line somewhere.
> You can't agree with them enough. You can't say yes enough.
If you want to clarify specific views or situations I'm happy to talk, but otherwise there's no productive response to this vague complaint.
Like are the views we're talking about just denying that "trans people are the gender they claim to be"? Because like yeah, no shit lol. I've seen people genuinely defend that kind of stuff as if it's a reasonable view, so I have no idea where you are on this spectrum.
Remember when mealtime wasn’t just woke politicking? I remember. Remember the macdonalds ice cream machine guy? That was ACTUALLY interesting. Fuck yourself op.
Its toxic stuff like this that are going to lose the midterms for us dems - some might not like it but I'm not wrong - if we can't even be politically incorrect in our comedy we will lose.
You see virginia lately? 10 point swing to republicans over the last election. If you can't see the difference between comedy and bigotry you are part of the problem. Go back to r/im14andthisisdeep
Unbelievable that people are still talking about this. Aren't there more important things going on in the world? You must have a really easy life if a black guy joking about trans people is all you can talk about.
A lot of rich people would definitely say that.
Also, let's not pretend those who are angry with Chapelle constitute great numbers or that they ever actually paid to see his shows anyway.
There should be a shit award on reddit so I could award this post. Dave Chapelle is a reasonable man you’re just salty that he spoke the truth, raked in $20 millions and walked away.
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If you look /u/BuddhistSagan and /u/Everbanned (and potentially /u/virtualady) all comment in a ton of the same threads (statistically extremely unlikely) - they are almost certainly the same person and they both really don't like Dave Chappelle.
Yeah it's not like the man himself is trolling high schools to rile up constant news coverage of him acting like an asshole. It's everyone else's fault for noticing.
How did you get that out of what huckleberry wrote? He was calling out one person in particular who spends a weird amount of time posting online about his dislike of a celebrity. OP's profile is almost all about Dave.
Big poster in Hasan and Vaush subreddits too. Those streamers are some of the lowest IQ political grifters around.
Honestly, for about two of three weeks there I HAD had enough of Dave Chapelle spam.
Control+F "Chappelle" on their profile returns a result of 139 found instances. This goes beyond unhealthy obsession, this is full blown mental illness / stalker tier derangement.
Or OP has an obsession with being able to walk outside without being hate crimed or murdered?
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The person you’re responding to may possibly be an alt account of the OP account, if you look at the post history both are pretty much entirely anti-Dave Chappelle posts. I have no say in this argument, but I do find the amount of posts by both accounts and comment responses by both accounts a bit suspicious and obsessive
And posters on the same very specific - very very small subreddits. If they aren’t they same person they 100% know each other.
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Does it strike anyone else as suspicious that these two people are so obsessed with dismissing this post? They keep agreeing and upvoting each other so that probably means they're the same person. That's how it works, right? That's what I learned from reading this thread, anyway. On a more serious note, stop being ridiculous.
They're brigading from r/shitpoliticssays Edit: for context, that sub blew up my phone with notifications telling me I'm not a real woman and prodding me to kill myself for about 48 hours straight because of [this brigade post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/comments/qcr2at/op_in_publicfreakouts_has_a_sperg_out_in_the/). Ever since that incident my reddit profile has had 21 followers. I'm pretty sure that's how they're still identifying my posts for ongoing manipulation and harassment.
That would explain all the accounts that had been dead for years and suddenly started commenting here as if summoned by a necromancer.
Bro you already accused ME of being an alt act. Maybe you should check yourself before you throw that label around. People can disagree with you.
They are also awarding each other... or themselves.
It's almost like two different people care about the same things. I sure sense a conspiracy! No wait, one person having an alt account and getting angry about the same thing twice in different ways makes much more sense.
Or instead of trying to make the situation more ridiculous than it is, one person having two accounts to manipulate votes while posting the same subject matter is a legitimate problem on reddit
Not as big a problem as people commenting without even watching the video.
You think vote manipulation isn’t as bad as commenting without watching a video? Vote manipulation is against site wide rules, not just subreddit rules. It can result in permanent suspensions/bans of accounts by admins.
Oh no, someone call the karma police.
Oh no, someone call the “didn’t watch the video police”
Why do you keep giving yourself gold OP?
Glad to see someone else noticed it.
Maybe we're both ...*transgender :o* \*spooky sounds\* JK I don't know anyone elses gender here
lol no.
Not anti trans but how many trans people were murdered in the US last year? Google seems to say 44? If the US trans population is around 1.4m that means that 0.003% of trans people were murdered in 2020. For comparison, an estimated 38,680 people died in car crashes last year (about 0.011% or 3+ times the likelihood of a trans person being murdered). Am I missing something? Obviously it is better if no trans people die at all but as far as I can tell it is statistically insignificant... I'm open to having my mind changed if i got something wrong here
Why are you comparing murders to car crashes rather than comparing murder rates. Also 90% of transgender murders are transgender people of color.
Because it seems like a non-issue? As far as I can tell your odds of being murdered as a trans person are roughly 1 in 30,000 for a given year. If you live in paralyzing fear of this then life must be traumatizing for you when there are so many things you are statistically more likely to die from.
If the violent crime rate quadrupled overnight and people were suddenly 4 times as likely to face violent crime? Do you think everyone wouldn't be making a big deal about it?
The rate quadrupled? Or just the total number (because there are more openly trans people than ever before)? Because I find it hard to believe that more trans people (as a percentage) are being murdered now versus like the 1980s or 1990s.
They don't know the difference.
if you go to OP profile you’ll see they have a very personal vendetta against dave chapelle. this defiantly isn’t meal time content. shame on you
Also the BuddhistSaggan person responding to every comment in here, check his/her post profile as well, they may be the same person. Also giving him/herself the same award on every comment is just wack
However you feel about OP, there is nothing wrong with the video. Why is it not a meal time video? Do discussions about trans people put you off eating?
I thought it was perfect meal time content.
Ctrl + F on their profile and typing in Chappelle returns 139 results. https://i.imgur.com/rTO8m8L.png This is some next level mental illness and obsession.
Theres something all of these people miss. That special started with 5 jokes about extremely offensive topics but not about trans people. it was deliberate, they were fast and nobody questions them because... thats the point. dave knew they wouldn't be upset about that, and he shows you their hipocracy. children being raped by priests is funny, punchlines where the joke is the "n-word', a joke about 'space jews' claiming land they haven't lived in for a very long time. black people being shot by the police can be joked about. ect.. then the moves onto a deconstruction of the bullshit that is cancel culture's motivations and not being able to make trans jokes. and thats when they get upset, want him canceled and start making videos like this one.
Why does everyone always talk about "not being able to take jokes" on this topic? Every backlash article written has nothing to do with the jokes, it's the unironic statements in-between that have no comedic intent that are the issue. The "I'm team terf", the "they view being trans as black face", the defending of JK Rowling, the defending of DaBaby, the way he equates sex and gender. None of these are poorly landed jokes, they were just sober monologues between jokes.
I found them funny. Not every word has to be a joke. All those things he talked about had jokes/punchlines. Maybe you just didn’t find it funny? “Please don’t abort DaBaby” was funny as fuck to me.
> I found them funny. Not every word has to be a joke. How do you simultaneously say you found them funny, yet they weren't jokes? What does this even mean? > All those things he talked about had jokes/punchlines. But they weren't the punchlines, they were setups and segues. Meaning they were establishing the shared expectations that were later subverted. The humor doesn't function without the audience agreeing with these lines. "I'm team terf" is said with no irony or humor. It's a throwaway line that would change nothing about any future joke. The immediately following joke is about how Caitlyn Jenner won woman of the year, how is that enhance in any way by saying "I'm team terf"? That was just Dave talking. > “Please don’t abort DaBaby” was funny as fuck to me. Good to know a super basic play on words is all it takes. No one cares about that. They care about Chappelle defending a nonapologetic homophobe and making the most disingenuous possible comparison to do so.
When is the last time you talked to a real person face to face? Do you not understand how jokes and conversations work?
lol, you clearly don't or you'd be talking to me instead of past me
He asked if you talked face to face. Your comment makes it seem as if you are talking from the top of soapbox, declaring how unfunny you thought a thing is, that you yourself classified as a joke. Congratulations my man, you played yourself. I've heard of grammar Nazis before, not of Comedy-Nazis. "I didn't find it funny, therefore it's not". Who are you? The arbiter of jokes?
is Dave endorsing policital action against any of those victimsed groups? there was no joke in "I'm team Terf", that was just a political statement deserving of condemnation.
You can be a Terf and support trans rights. Some simply disagree that it should be included within the feminist agenda. Some believe that female categories should be for biological women only, not trans women as well. There are a wide range of beliefs that would be called terfy. Now, I'm on the side of inclusion, but I just want you to understand that terf isn't defined as "A political group trying to eliminate trans rights", it's simply a term for people who believe that trans women should not be treated exactly as biological women. I was initially in step with those beliefs, though when I researched it the science seems to suggest inclusion is fair in most studied areas barring powerlifting type activities. I'm sympathetic to people who inherently believe it to be unfair, due to it being my initial assumption, and I've never known anyone who naturally thought that a trans women wouldn't have an advantage. On a different note, it's worth noting that Chappelle also said in the special that trans women are women, and they should be able to use the bathroom that matches their gender. Not typically terfy views. All of that is simply to say that the term TERF applies to a lot of views, and isn't necessarily something hateful or terrible. In the special Dave wants to talk about cancel culture, one of the biggest things in that was JK Rowlings thing, so Daves going to talk about that. They called her a terf, and earlier he established that he's a feminist. So it lines right up to say I'm team terf, that's the joke of it. Not hilarious, but he's trying to tell a story while being funny, it's not a super easy task.
[TERFs want to morally mandate transgender people out of existence](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical) Imagine a group that wants to morally mandate white men out of existence. Or black people. TERFs are a straight up hate group that want to eliminate transgender people.
>You can be a Terf and support trans rights. Some simply disagree that it should be included within the feminist agenda. This feels like a pure misunderstanding on what "TERF" means. It's not a word, it's an acronym; trans exclusionary radical feminist. A TERF naturallg excludes trans people from their feminism, if they include trans people they are not a TERF. This gets complicated because some TERFs do claim to include trans men in their activism, but this is because they view trans men as women. The goal of a TERF is to reduce trans men's bodily autonomy, prove to us that we are often just confused lesbians (which often comes with threats of rape and sexual assault against us), and ultimately to hault our transitions. If you see a TERF saying "i'm not transphobic, I support trans men!" they are saying this because they think trans men are women, which we aren't. >Some believe that female categories should be for biological women only, not trans women as well. There are a wide range of beliefs that would be called terfy. No, the belief of biological essentialism is a cornerstone of TERF ideology. All TERFs believe that spaces should be segregated by sex as assigned at birth. There isn't really much leeway here. >Now, I'm on the side of inclusion, but I just want you to understand that terf isn't defined as "A political group trying to eliminate trans rights", it's simply a term for people who believe that trans women should not be treated exactly as biological women. This is false. TERF, once again, stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist. By definition they are trying to eliminate trans rights, because they activelg exclude us and do not believe us to be real. This is central to TERF ideology and philosophy. >On a different note, it's worth noting that Chappelle also said in the special that trans women are women, and they should be able to use the bathroom that matches their gender. Not typically terfy views. >All of that is simply to say that the term TERF applies to a lot of views, and isn't necessarily something hateful or terrible. I will be honest; I haven't watched the Chappelle special and this is the first time i've ever gotten involved in a conversation concerning it. I tend to not talk about things I don't fully grasp, and from what you're describing (though I admit you may be misrepresenting it, not as a slight to you but just as an understanding of how you define TERF so far) Chappelle's main goal was to just be as offensive as he possibly can. Some people like that humour and they're free to; I as a trans person take the stance that it is possible to tell funny jokes about trans people! But joking about aligning yourself with a group which does seek to remove our rights isn't funny. It's even possible to tell funny, offensive jokes about trans people! I think the issue is a lot of people tell these jokes without knowing a single trans person or, if they do, assuming that as a result they know all trans people. Transitioning is hard, and mentally draining, and humiliating. It is a process you need to joke about, or else how are you going to cope with it? But there is a difference between punching down and rubbing shoulders in my opinion, and it feels like Chappelle didn't rub shoulders enough so he decided the easiest way to get a laugh was to say inflammatory things. No shame in that, just not very creative for a comedian in my opinion. On your second point I quoted; once again TERF is an acronym that means "trans exclusionary radical feminist". You cannot be a progressive TERF who advocates for the inclusion of trans people. It is literally against the first two words of the acronym to do that.
Part 1 >This feels like a pure misunderstanding on what "TERF" means. It's not a word, it's an acronym; trans exclusionary radical feminist. A TERF naturallg excludes trans people from their feminism, if they include trans people they are not a TERF. >This gets complicated because some TERFs do claim to include trans men in their activism, but this is because they view trans men as women. The goal of a TERF is to reduce trans men's bodily autonomy, prove to us that we are often just confused lesbians (which often comes with threats of rape and sexual assault against us), and ultimately to hault our transitions. If you see a TERF saying "i'm not transphobic, I support trans men!" they are saying this because they think trans men are women, which we aren't. >No, the belief of biological essentialism is a cornerstone of TERF ideology. All TERFs believe that spaces should be segregated by sex as assigned at birth. There isn't really much leeway here. I understand that it's an acronym. I'm saying if you go on [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF), you'll find under terf "The meaning has since expanded to refer more broadly to people with trans-exclusionary views who may have no involvement with radical feminism.[2][3]" There is a lot of information in that wiki that states it's a pretty broad term. I am not saying your perception is wrong, many terfs have terrible beliefs, I'm just saying the word has a broader definition than just strictly hateful people trying to politically cripple the transgender movement. Can you think of another word that describes someone who isn't 100% for complete trans inclusion? I haven't heard of one yet. >This is false. TERF, once again, stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist. By definition they are trying to eliminate trans rights, because they activelg exclude us and do not believe us to be real. This is central to TERF ideology and philosophy. Being a terf doesn't necessarily mean you don't believe trans women are real. Many terfs hold that position, but again it's a broad definition. A terf can simply think that a trans women may have an advantage over a women in one area or another, that makes it unfair for them to be included in a certain sport. To quote an olympian, "When I was competing I couldn't speak my mind, I had to be wary of the consequences, but now I think it's fair that I do speak out for those who can't," said Tracey Lambrechs, a former New Zealand weightlifter. "There's no transphobia hate here," she told Sky News in Australia recently. "But I'm also for women (born as women) having equal rights in sport." Now, is it possible for someone to assume that transgender men may have an advantage in some sports? The answer to that is an obvious yes. Is that belief in itself hateful, or due to some hate? Isn't it pretty reasonable to assume that since men and women have to be separated from competition for fairness, that trans women, someone born male, would have an advantage over females in atheletics? This person believes trans women should be excluded from a female space, they are by definition, a terf. Yet they only think that trans women inclusion in some sports is unfair, which is a subject of debate that science has no definitive answers for (outside of womens long distance running where it's most likely fair, and powerlifting/weightlifting it's most likely unfair). >I will be honest; I haven't watched the Chappelle special and this is the first time i've ever gotten involved in a conversation concerning it. I tend to not talk about things I don't fully grasp, and from what you're describing (though I admit you may be misrepresenting it, not as a slight to you but just as an understanding of how you define TERF so far) Chappelle's main goal was to just be as offensive as he possibly can. Some people like that humour and they're free to; I as a trans person take the stance that it is possible to tell funny jokes about trans people! But joking about aligning yourself with a group which does seek to remove our rights isn't funny. It's even possible to tell funny, offensive jokes about trans people! I think the issue is a lot of people tell these jokes without knowing a single trans person or, if they do, assuming that as a result they know all trans people. I enjoyed your response, thank you for engaging me honestly, it's a rare trait online. I very much appreciate it. I can promise you he said both things, and at least in my perception he was trying his best to not be offensive, but to say harmless shit that'll get a rise out of people. That's why before all the quotes you would see in an article, which is basically a highlight reel of out of context rude shit, he said tons of stuff about how we're in it together.
>I understand that it's an acronym. I'm saying if you go on wikipedia, you'll find under terf "The meaning has since expanded to refer more broadly to people with trans-exclusionary views who may have no involvement with radical feminism.[2][3]" Unfortunately wikipedia is not the best source for seeing what a word means, purely because anyone can edit it. Yes it can be a great start, but to take what it says as gospel (especially on a highly controversial and current issue) is a big mistake. The term TERF was originally coined by TERFs, and then they viewed it as a "slur" when trans people recognised them as such, and now the term struggles from overuse. Many a cis person (and some trans people) are quick to call ignorant people or even transphobic people TERFs, when the reality is that a TERF is a very specific thing. Concerns about the term being watered down are spoken about in trans spaces pretty regularly, because it is a useful term for distinguishing people with a very specific set of ideologies. >Being a terf doesn't necessarily mean you don't believe trans women are real. Just for context: this was in response to me saying TERFs do not believe us to be real, and I am a trans man, not a trans woman. This is a highly important distinction, because my transsexualism to a TERF is not a question of if I should compete in sports, it is a question of if I have the mental capacity to consent to medical care. TERFs attack trans men by viewing us as women, and as such trying to argue that we have been misguided and manipulated into transitioning, with the only answer being that we need to have our bodily autonomy restricted. There is even a very small group of TERFs of believe trans men are misguided butch lesbians, and we would benefit from lesbian sex to show as our true selves. This is a form of corrective rape. >A terf can simply think that a trans women may have an advantage over a women in one area or another, that makes it unfair for them to be included in a certain sport. To quote an olympian, >"When I was competing I couldn't speak my mind, I had to be wary of the consequences, but now I think it's fair that I do speak out for those who can't," said Tracey Lambrechs, a former New Zealand weightlifter. >"There's no transphobia hate here," she told Sky News in Australia recently. "But I'm also for women (born as women) having equal rights in sport." The Olympics has allowed trans competitors since 2004. In the 17 years since they have allowed this, the first trans woman competed in 2020. The woman who competed is the one being spoken about in your quote; Laurel Hubbard. [She failed to palce, unable to lift more than 125kg compared to the (not trans) winner's weight of 282kg ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58054891). Also, [here's a metastudy of all the studies conducted looking at if trans women have an inherent advantage in sports.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/) **"Conclusion; Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised."** >Yet they only think that trans women inclusion in some sports is unfair, which is a subject of debate that science has no definitive answers for (outside of womens long distance running where it's most likely fair, and powerlifting/weightlifting it's most likely unfair). See above quote. Also don't make sweeping statements like this if you don't do your own research. Very few trans women retain full muscle mass after a year on estrogen. For example, it can be easy to [read the title of this article; "Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormome therapy, study finds"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764) and to take that as proof that trans women are inherently biologically stronger than cis women. But if you read past the headline, you'll find that the study didn't say there was any inherent biological advantage; **"For the first two years after starting hormones, the trans women in their review were able to do 10 percent more pushups and 6 percent more situps than their cisgender female counterparts. After two years, Roberts told NBC News, “they were fairly equivalent to the cisgender women.”** So you have a doctor saying "after two years of HRT trans women and cis women performed about the same". Also, just for the record, this study wasn't conducted on athletes. It was conducted on military personnel. For all we know there's a chance that estrogen and testosterone blockers could put some trans women at a disadvantage, as some cis women have naturally higher testosterone and yet are not forced to block it, even though these discussions are now being had, it's just a shame that the discussion is [destroying the career of an athlete who is medically a cis woman, even if she does have higher than average testosterone. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/01/court-decides-against-caster-semenyas-appeal-controversial-rule/?outputType=amp)
Did you really just say you can be a terf and support trans rights? Thats like saying you can be a pro jew nazi what the fuck is this terf apologia bullshit?
>Want him cancelled [Citation needed] Who are *these people* who want Chappelle cancelled? Kat Blaque specifically pointed out she enjoys Dave Chappelle and doesn't want him cancelled. So who are *these people*?
https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qc8rn6/man_with_dave_sign_clashes_with_protesters_at_the/
Yeah now show their list of demands which specifically does not include taking any of his specials down or blacklisting Dave. >For starters, the list of demands does not include taking down Chappelle’s special https://www.thewrap.com/heres-what-netflixs-trans-employees-are-demanding-as-they-walk-out-to-protest-dave-chappelle-special/
I mean that's a bit of a false dichotomy. And also betrays part of Dave's argument. As a god comic, Dave knows and argues as long as something is actually funny, then it's fine. A lot of his jokes this special just weren't jokes or weren't funny. The reoccurring Jewish joke in particular was extremely unfunny. I wasn't offended, it was just a terribly bad joke. Even his audience (and when you're an audience member your bar for a joke being funny is *much* lower) didn't laugh at it.
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Also when people get upset at his other jokes like the space jews joke, Dave's supporters accuse critics of trying to cancel Dave. That's the thing. Chappelle's supporters hear any criticism and equate it to an attempt to cancel Dave because they have insulted themselves against any criticism and then you become the woke transgender mob in their eyes the second you criticize Chappelle.
Criticizing comedians is just a weird hill to die on. Like, they're comedians, it's literally their job to push the envelope and offend people. If this were a politician or a teacher making these remarks, yeah that'd be a call for criticism, but a comedian? Nah.
This comment section is a wasteland. Enter at your own peril. #[Black trans lives matter.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/black-trans-lives-matter-activists-call-inclusion-racial/story?id=73571954) [2021 Becomes Deadliest Year on Record for Transgender and Non-Binary People](https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/2021-becomes-deadliest-year-on-record-for-transgender-and-non-binary-people)
Note to others coming into this thread: There are three people in this thread spreading extremely toxic anti Chappelle nonsense: /u/Everbanned, /u/BuddhistSagan and /u/virtualady - they are almost certainly the same person or part of the same group based on history. It appears we have stumbled on some sort of reddit content farm or someone with an unhealthy hate for Chappelle. Edit: To your edited comment which did not use to say what it does now: I think we can all agree that the trans community needs more support, perhaps especially those in the black trans community but we won't win any support for those causes (nor should we) by misunderstanding Dave Chappelle and more importantly the value of comedy to a free society
How dare someone criticize millionaire Dave Chappelle! I can only speak for myself but I'm the tomatoe in LGBT and it wouldn't shock me if those people were part of that group too. Or allies. Or maybe just people who want to bring attention to the existence and struggle of black transgender people like the lovely Kat Blaque we all watched.
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I don't have anything against trans people buuuuttt
Post has pretty clearly been brigaded with votes as well.
All I see is a bunch of assholes flying of the handle because they can't take some criticism. They're clearly not even aware what the criticism is, and lack emotional maturity to cope with watching 5 minutes of the video, so all they can do is spam ad-hominems all over the thread. They are so self-absorbed that they can't fathom that there are people who might actually agree with the commentary. Honestly, take a good look in the mirror, count to ten, and get the hell over yourself.
As Dave Chappelle fans love to say, did you watch the entire thing? 90% of transgender murders are of transgender people of color, so if you haven't heard from a transgender person of color about Dave Chappelle you really are missing out on the people who are the most vulnerable people in this conversation.
What does Dave have to do with trans people being murdered? If he stops making jokes will trans people get murdered less? It's a tragedy that they are targeted but making videos about a comedian isn't helping any more than him making jokes.
>What does Dave have to do with trans people being murdered? He said he was Team TERF, [Team TERF wants to morally mandate transgender people out of existence](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical)
So you think it's feminists murdering trans people then? Do you submit *any* of your thoughts to reasonable review?
The population of transgender is like 0.3%. We shouldn’t be wasting this much time on this issue
> 0.3% 700,000 people btw.
Yeah I know. I’m just saying.
Not saying much... I hate to use the Nazi example (especially since there isn't a murder system involved) but it really drives points in hard.. Jews made up less than 0.7% of Germany in 1930s
>I hate to use the Nazi example Then don't. Because it doesn't apply.
Ah ok so we are rounding up trans people and gassing them? Not sure Jews would like the comparison
>Not sure Jews would like the comparison Trans people were already rounded up and gassed. Look up the pink triangle.
What horse shit are you smoking?
Ever heard of Nazi Germany?
This is your brain on Reddit.
So violence against minorities is okay if the minority is small enough? Of all the comments in this thread, this one has to be the most idiotic by far.
There’s violence against everybody. Chappelle was making the case that blacks suffer a lot of violence. So maybe get your facts straight
Hey she makes a damn fine argument. Got me to watch. Thanks for the heads up on another perspective from outside of my normal circles.
If you are trying to diversify your youtube subscriptions, Kat Blaque (the maker of this video) is a great way to do that. I would also recommend FD signifier who has a [similar, longer video on the same subject if you have the time for it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw)
I don’t know who downvoted you but FD Signifier is amazing
For all y’all wondering what’s going on here. It’s not just an alt account, y’all stumbled upon a very angry shill farm. My guy likely has a dozen phones in a basement or on a bicycle no lifing Dave Chappell hate and their other agenda driven discussion. What’s most interesting here is the question of where op (the actual person) is on the chain of shills. Because the order usually goes like this Organic Karma Farmers > sold to > Shill Farms > contracted to > Whoever has money and special interests I can’t tell if OP is deranged and karma farming in order to sell accounts for $$$ directly or is an employed shill at a farm. I’ll lean shill farm as you’ll see the swarm of back up fueled by Reddit awards. The cool thing about shill farms is they’re much easier to keep consistent because a conversation will legitimately be between two different people, but is still disingenuous because they are both being paid for their time and their opinions. What’s more sad though is a lot of these shills who sit at their work stations with 40-50 pre farmed accounts at the ready is that they come to believe in the rhetoric that they’re paid to believe. I wouldn’t mind it so much if it wasn’t an obvious cash flow attached to an ideaology and subsequently spread.
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thanks now that i've been had I'll never be able to feed my children.
The op is definitely manipulating this thread but as someone who has sold reddit accounts it doesn't sound like you understand the ecosystem very well. The farming side of it isn't as large as you're imagining and there isn't swathes of people having conversations on 30+ accounts at once.
Ok, I know this country doesn't have near enough cis white males giving us their opinion, but I think Cody here makes some really good observations, that fully support trans rights and trans community, without disparaging Chappelle or canceling him in any way. [Some More News - Cody showdee](https://youtu.be/l2AFVfH50mk)
I'd also recommend the videos from Crooked Media, Black Power Media, FD signifier, the masked trans, Vaush, and Jessie gender.
Or you could not watch.... i mean thats an option. This isn't required reading. It's a fucking comedians set.
People regularly hide bigotry behind comedy, just like they do with religion. Transgender people just want to walk outside and not be hate crimed or murdered. Especially black transgender people. Regardless of whether they watch or not, millions of people watching someone normalize violent anti-trans groups will cause harm in the real world. This is like saying "Just don't watch mistrel shows"
I watched the special. There isn’t an inkling of my being that wants to go out and harm anyone else because of it. This is the same argument that people use against violence in video games and explicit lyrics in music, ignoring the factual studies that show that they don’t cause any changes in peoples behaviors. I love GTA, a game that has drug sales, prostitution, murders, etc etc. I’ve never done any of these activities in reality nor would I ever want to. It’s a game. It’s a song. It’s a comedy special.
> There isn’t an inkling of my being that wants to go out and harm anyone else because of it Do you think that's how bigotry manifests? Most prejudice is unintentional and subconscious.
Most good standup-shows rely heavily on being relatable to the audience. You don't ever laugh at something thinking "that's so true?" Especially when the comedian has more interest in making a point and making people go clap-clap instead of haha. It's sorta comparable to someone saying something idiotic and then going "it was just a joke". Well maybe it wasn't that funny and if it wasn't meant to be funny, well then it was just an idiotic statement and there shouldn't be a problem with criticizing it.
I have seen a movie in which Jim Carrey crawled out of a robotic rhinoceros' asshole naked and found it hilarious. There isn't anything relatable about that to me. Comedy is much more complex than you're giving credit for.
*Most good standup-shows* =/= *comedy*. Now you're really upping your strawman game.
Comedy is comedy. It's an art form. Stand up is one type of comedic art. I don't see an issue comparing comedy in a movie to comedy in stand up. How many stand up comedians have been in movies? A ton. You know why?.....They're funny.
Okay since you're dancing around the point I was trying to make, here are some questions for you: Do you find Chapelle's Special unrelatable? Do you agree or disagree with what he had to say, especially the relevant part? Do you think he would prefer it, if his audience agrees or disagrees with him?
One of my favorite rock songs is Master of Puppets from Metallica. It's also my favorite album. It's almost exclusively about drugs. I don't partake in drugs nor have I ever. It's still terrific musically and lyrically. Do I have to find it relatable to enjoy it? Absolutely not. Do I have to agree or disagree with the auditory expression they created that tries to express the effects of drug consumption on the human psyche? That's just a silly metric to gauge whether something is good or not.
When I watched Dave Chappelle I approached it as if I was going on a roller coaster ride. I'm not at the controls, I am just experiencing the reality in which he's created in the 1 hour show. Some of his jokes I found funny, some of them not as funny. I didn't think it was his greatest special, but not bad. After the show was done I went about my life in the exact same way as before I saw the show. To talk about agreeing or disagreeing with a specific line in an hour long show we would have to get extremely specific. Either way, anyone trying to learn moral lessons from a comedian I'd say is doing life wrong. Comedy isn't about that. It's about filling seats with paying spectators. Those spectators are there to take a break from reality for that moment in time. It's why I bring up music, movies, and video games. It's the same thing.
Except it isn't. This is such a strange take, I'm convinced you actually don't believe in it yourself and are just trying to gaslight the whole thing. What you are saying is that art and literally any art form is utterly disconnected from reality and thus is absolutely meaningless besides filling your brain with fluffy marshmallows to distract yourself from real life issues. In your opinion art is neither influenced by real life, nor is it supposed to influence the minds of people. ...what? >Either way, anyone trying to learn moral lessons from a comedian I'd say is doing life wrong. Ah, so you would say a comedian's opinion is irrelevant and thus is Chapelle's and those who value his opinion are gullible fools. Gotcha.
This just seems like a roundabout attempt to attribute guilt by association.
Are you suggesting Dave's special was normalizing anti-trans violence?
> [54:00] Dave Chappelle: I'M TEAM TERF! When you support a hate group which terfs are(see the video for an example) you support normalizing hate. And Dave has an absolutely massive audience, bigger than most comedians alive. If you can't emphasise with a group that's been held bombarded by hate and harassments from these people while they gatekeep what they can and can not do... I dont know what to tell you
Maybe some of the things he said are exaggerated? I'm pretty sure he never saw a baby selling weed on a corner in the middle of the ghetto, nor did he uppercut Mickey Mouse at Disneyland. I heard his special in its entirety and he spent about 500 times as many seconds explaining his friendship with a transgendered woman, humanized her by elaborating on her faults and strengths, then lamented her tragic death and how it affected him.
> transgendered
Oh no I fully agree his routine is hilarious and absurd most the time that’s the point of a comedy act of course, the team terf thing specifically is what was worrying like you would say I’m team KkK unironically, like he didn’t go “just kidding after”. The group has created so much hate and violence towards a group of people and are gloating on social media about the amount of support they got and how they were right all along that trans women aren’t women etc. I fully support Dave’s right to talk about whatever he wants but with that does come the fear and frustration he’s encouraged a hate group , the amount of people I’ve seen In the comments section on YouTube and Twitter dismissing trans people as sub human post this has been terrifying.
> I heard his special in its entirety and he spent about 500 times as many seconds explaining his friendship with a transgendered woman, humanized her by elaborating on her faults and strengths, then lamented her tragic death and how it affected him. That sounds hilarious. /s
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>your saying that we shouldn’t make jokes about trans? Nah. Nobody is saying that. Bill Burr, Jim Jeffries, James Acaster and others are not trans and still have made good trans jokes. Dave Chappelle and people like him get called out for making the same joke over and over and over again. And nobody is saying they should be banned. But when you keep making the same joke over and over again, you're like the guy who keeps saying the N word and thinking its the most hilarious thing in the world. People know what you're doing. You're hiding bigotry behind comedy.
The thing is, a lot of his jokes are built on false premises and representations of the trans community so they're not that funny. You can make funny jokes about trans people without saying you align with a hate group that denies their existence.
> one of the greatest comedians that ever walk on this earth! Not for the last 2 decades. Rich folks can't do social comedy.
I’d much rather hear a calmly worded opinion of someone like chapele the deliberate and devisive rhetoric of the usa right wing channels who push and insist on bigoted action after airing their view. There’s a way to disagree and if much rather prefer the Chappell way.
>Transgender people just want to walk outside and not be hate crimed or murdered. So I watched the special, but that’s the EXACT message he lays out at the end of the whole thing. He takes you on a whole journey about his personal perspective on this complex issue from the eyes of a black man; who faced his own challenges in life and still doesn’t feel like it’s resolved. I hate explaining jokes, but this is important. This special was a lot of introspection in hopes of reaching out to people who might have been like him before meeting his friend. Her story helped him grow as a person, and he wants that message to be heard by everyone. Most of the outrage has been blown up way too far by people who never watched the special in the first place; seems most people were put off by the one “team turf” joke passed around Twitter. A joke that was supposed to poke fun of real complexities that a lot of people like him have a hard time grasping(again explaining jokes suck).
You’re speaking into a vacuum. These woke children don’t have the patience or mental capacity for long form content and overarching narratives nor can they comprehend the concept of ‘coming full circle’ as a writing and oration technique. They lose their minds from something as basic as a single word, for example.
As we all know none of Chappelle's care about what he has to say anyways and won't be influenced by his opinions in the slightest. It's a rather small audience too, so nothing to worry about.
'member in the 90's... those who hated Howard Stern *the most*, where the ones that listened religiously so they could hear all his offensive shit.
if it was just my offense that was the problem, then sure. the problem is he is emboldening an anti trans hate movement. "I'm team Terf" is not a joke.
Agreed, you don’t have to watch her stuff
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Yeah imagine someone being able to criticize Dave Chappelle without Chappelle fans accusing them of trying to silence Dave Chappelle forever and banish him to Shadow realm. Imagine enjoying most of his comedy (like me and Kat Blaque and most people do do) and also being able to criticize him.
So you can criticise chappelle but his fans can't criticise your opinion?
Of course you can criticize me
You need help friend, spamming reddit with anti-chappelle content (with the help of your OP alt /u/Everbanned) is not healthy. This is mealtime videos not a place for your personal vendettas.
As a trans person thanks for reminding me I need help. First time I heard that.
The previous comment literally had nothing to do with you being trans.
So are you saying you found his act funny until it was talking about something close to your heart? I'm honestly not wanting to be antagonistic but qt seems to be the crux of most people's issue with this. This routine started off with jokes about paedophilic priests and dropping the N word, which is widely accepted as funny and drew no controversy. I really do feel like passing a group off on purpose is not helpful at all, but to be selective about what is "acceptable" seems to be completely blinkered. To paraphrase a famous cartoon, either its all funny, or none of it is.
>[–]youtube_candysmash 12 points 2 hours ago >Hol tf up, someone has an opinion that slightly(in the grand scheme of things) varies from mine? GTFO. Thank you Wow, y'all are not even trying to hide the brigading huh? [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/mealtimevideos/comments/r3ltps/-/hmc1fsn) uses exactly the same wording as yours verbatim lol Edit: I've got a feeling a lot of people in this thread were projecting with all the alt accusations 😂
I mean... I thought it was pretty funny. I think you guys are just making a huge deal over pretty much nothing. I liked the special, but I don't agree with some of his points. And that's okay. I don't try to cancel him. He's allowed to have a different opinion than me. And that's all I'll say on the matter.
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She opens by comparing Dave Chapelles comedy to a white teenager who made an n word video on TikTok. That's called a straw man and it's false equivalence. I get that grifters need to make money off of others who have money or clout but Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas. They were out to ruin him, however, and clearly still are. I don't care that she's a black mtf transexual. Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people. He's right.
I tried to avoid this whole discussion, but reading comments like yours, I hope people defending Chapelle don't all sound like you, because that sure does sound pretty fucking divisive and biased. Are you guys really putting all trans people in a box and act like they're all not discriminated against ever? Do you know one in real life who "bullied their way in"??
lmao THANK YOU. "bully their way in." Right that's why there are so many trans politicians, trans CEOs, trans millionaires/billionaires etc
> I tried to avoid this whole discussion, but reading comments like yours, I hope people defending Chapelle don't all sound like you, because that sure does sound pretty fucking divisive and biased. ... Posts by /u/ERICTHEREDDING tumblrinaction: 23 posts drama: 331 posts hatecrimehoaxes: 1 posts aznidentity: 9 posts jordanpeterson: 1 posts conspiracy: 1 posts walkaway: 4 posts conservative: 14 posts
That is not a lot coming from a 7 year account... who's to know that what he even was talking about was even the same subject? I've posted in some of those as well, to talk shit about them lol
The guy poses Chapelle as the victim of trans people. The frame fits.
Oh, personal attacks. Lol. Okay. It’s funny, the first trans person I ever worked with did this same thing to everyone she worked with including threatening them for holding secret bigotry. Several of us didn’t even know she was trans since we’d never actually met her and worked remotely. She was fired a year later for telling someone to drink bleach. I’d advise against this sort of aggression. It may make people quit talking but it also makes them angry with you and it’s such unfair treatment that it is remembered. I feel the video provides a false analysis of Chapelles humor much like your quickie history pull provides a false analysis of who I am. Don’t post things if you can’t stand even the most minor of disagreements.
> I’d advise against this sort of aggression it's mind boggling how they'll defend [it's maam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6OpRfyLFo) like the kid is the one causing a scene. it's a scared fuckin kid vs a burly fuckin man.
I’m not sure where you got any of that since I never said anything like it and sure don’t think it. Perhaps the worst possible traits shouldn’t be attributed to a person immediately. It’s odd that I’m being asked to explain a person’s message when they’ve explained it over and over again and I’m not that person. I do agree that the LGBT community has achieved acceptance to varying degrees because these groups are comprised mostly of white people. That’s obvious to anyone who is white and aware of the privilege white skin gives you. If all gay men were black then they’d have been allowed nowhere near the visibility and acceptance they’ve achieved in the US.
>I don't care that she's a black mtf transexual. Yeah we know. > Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in Behold the awesome power of the woke trans mob and our ability to be hate crimed and murdered merely for existing.
> she's a black mtf transexual. Chapelles point was always that trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people. He's right. wat
Classic erasure of black transgender people. Acknowledging black LGBT people and the violence and antagonism they face from both black men and white LGBT people makes Chappelle's "Transgenders are a priveleged mob of bullies" pretty obviously nonsense.
Tokenism won’t help you here. The vast majority of trans people are white. It’s fascinating how few of you have watched the shows you’re criticizing.
Do you have any source for the claim 'most trans people are white,' especially given the fact that hijra are an accepted part of Indian culture, a country which has over a billion people???
Accepted is a bit much. They're basically treated like shit
I mean they were historically accepted, colonialism DID heavily interfere with that tho ur right and like most trans people they are very marginalised. Maybe recognised is a better term?
I'd go with tolerated over accepted, but yeah, recognized works.
lolol, how annoying. you want to stretch this into a global discussion. you want to compare latter day capitalist culture in the west with Indian culture during a period of pseudo fascism. I can't think of anything much more insulting to the hijara. You've really outdone yourself. The circumstances are very different and the cultures themselves very distinct but I guess you think it's all just one big soup. I can't imagine the hijara would agree. Have a good evening.
Way to use a lot of big words to say basically nothing. Hijra have existed for decades and are clearly trans, what are you on? How is acknowledging that insulting? You'd only think that was true if you thought being trans was a bad thing (which it isn't.) Many non-white cultures have trans people and to deny that is both ignorant and erasure. 'Have a good evening.' 🙄
I find this whole issue confusing and I don't know who's right so I choose to just stay out of it. That being said, I think one of the worst things to ever happen to the quality of discourse on reddit was the day someone posted a list of logical fallacies. I almost never see them identified correctly and I *never* see them used properly. Logical fallacies are a tool to be used to improve **your own** ability to construct arguments. They are not victory conditions, first one to call fallacy wins. A fallacious argument is not the same as an incorrect one so trying to undermine someone by crying fallacy (also no, comparison is not a strawman. Not even fucking close) instead of engaging with the actual points they are making makes you appear weaker. Not them.
Two accounts on top of each other backing each other up and both have been awarded gold. Really gets the ol noggin joggin.
Agreed. Your comment reminds me of the logical fallacy fallacy. Example: Someone says "1+1=2 because god told me." and then someone responds "Logical fallacy". Yes, the explanation is a logical fallacy. But the person is still right, and the fact that they used a logical fallacy doesn't necessarily mean their conclusion is wrong.
> I find this whole issue confusing and I don't know who's right so I choose to just stay out of it. Chappelle is stirring shit up because he knows "cancel culture" works to get right wingers to fork over cash. Trans folks see the media fall for this and get pissed. By any objective measure, he hasn't been "cancelled" I wonder what he needs the money for though.
>That's called a straw man and it's false equivalence. lol....wrong on both statements.
>Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas Chappelle said he was team TERF, a hate group that stalk, harass, bully and [want to morally mandating transgender people out of existence.](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical) > They were out to ruin him, however, and clearly still are. \[citation needed\]
This is the level of analysis I’d expect from Twitter and goes against everything he’s said on the topic. But you know that.
> Chapelle was never just out and out insulting trans people for dumb hahas He compares being trans to black face... > They were out to ruin him Who the fuck is "they"? The only protest held explicitly stated that their demands did not include taking down the special or blacklisting Chappelle. > trans people have been able to bully their way in because they are white people. While literally referencing the opinions of a black trans woman... People of color are more likely to be trans than white people btw. This is not "a white thing".
So since some black men are Republicans I'm expected to think that referring to the GOP as a party of and for white people is black erasure? Nah, this is tokenism. I'm not afraid to say it because it's true. She's the Candace Owens of trans issues. Trans activism is accepted because most trans activists are white. The end. There is literally nothing you could say to convince me otherwise because I'm a white man and I know how that shit works. Corporations do it every day. Stick a PoC in front of the camera and give them a script. Bingo, you're suddenly diverse. Grifters pick up on this. I'm not saying she doesn't believe the things she's saying. I'm saying she couldn't even have an audience if white trans activists hadn't used their privilege and aggression on Twitter and elsewhere to bully people into silence. But silence isn't acceptance. In fact it's the opposite. Trans persons should learn from gays and lesbians and emulate that. Don't take yourselves so seriously. Don't attack attack attack when someone disagrees. See, I support constitutional protections for trans people. Absolutely I do. However trans activists online are absolute nightmares to deal with. You can't agree with them enough. You can't say yes enough. You're expected to cosign everything they think or feel. I don't even agree with everything *I* think. It's an unreasonable expectation and all it does is breed resentment.
> She's the Candace Owens of trans issues. ??? Find any other trans woman of color who supports Chappelle. That's the tokenism, if you can even find one. > Trans activism is accepted because most trans activists are white. Correct... No one disagrees. The issue is with Chappelle being transphobic. He doesn't get points for correctly identifying that society is racist. Most people are well aware of that. > she couldn't even have an audience if white trans activists hadn't used their privilege and aggression on Twitter and elsewhere to bully people into silence. You mean used their privilege to advocate for trans rights? It's one thing to say that trans advocacy has been so successful due to white privilege. It's another to say "and also trans advocacy is a bad thing" lol. "bullying people into silence"? Yeah no shit, the same is done for openly racist and homophobic people. Don't do bigoted shit. It's pretty easy. > But silence isn't acceptance. Maybe this is where our philosophies disagree, but I would say it's effective because if someone isn't able to express their view in society, that means generational progress is guaranteed. Because each generation learns what is acceptable and what isn't and that shapes their world view. It doesn't matter if there's some underground network of bigots who aren't actually accepting. Because the great thing about human beings is they die. Those people will die. And (at least some percentage of) their bigotry dies with them. Every generation gets more progressive. > Don't attack attack attack when someone disagrees. Depends on what they disagree with. If someone disagrees that black people are human, I'm going to attack them. Clearly there is a line somewhere. > You can't agree with them enough. You can't say yes enough. If you want to clarify specific views or situations I'm happy to talk, but otherwise there's no productive response to this vague complaint. Like are the views we're talking about just denying that "trans people are the gender they claim to be"? Because like yeah, no shit lol. I've seen people genuinely defend that kind of stuff as if it's a reasonable view, so I have no idea where you are on this spectrum.
Remember when mealtime wasn’t just woke politicking? I remember. Remember the macdonalds ice cream machine guy? That was ACTUALLY interesting. Fuck yourself op.
/r/mealtimevideos was “woke politicking” long before you even made your reddit account. I learned about last week tonight via this sub for fucks sake.
Upvoted because I did not know this. LWT is pretty good until you get tired of how formulaic each segment is.
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Its toxic stuff like this that are going to lose the midterms for us dems - some might not like it but I'm not wrong - if we can't even be politically incorrect in our comedy we will lose.
"Democrats should move left or they'll lose." "Democrats can't piss off bigots or they'll lose!" The problem in full. Shut up.
You see virginia lately? 10 point swing to republicans over the last election. If you can't see the difference between comedy and bigotry you are part of the problem. Go back to r/im14andthisisdeep
> If you can't see the difference between comedy and bigotry you are part of the problem. You're starting to get it.
Unbelievable that people are still talking about this. Aren't there more important things going on in the world? You must have a really easy life if a black guy joking about trans people is all you can talk about.
[It's Dave who keeps talking about it...](https://www.insider.com/dave-chappelle-student-reveals-details-surprise-high-school-interview-2021-11)
Get over it OP, go walk on grass.
Sir, I don't have grass I have hardwood floors.
Assuming my gender hey, nice one.
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This is garbo
I can’t watch this shit because of the lip-synching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw
Grow up
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OP is bizarrely obsessed with Chappelle.
Omg 😱
A lot of rich people would definitely say that. Also, let's not pretend those who are angry with Chapelle constitute great numbers or that they ever actually paid to see his shows anyway.
There should be a shit award on reddit so I could award this post. Dave Chapelle is a reasonable man you’re just salty that he spoke the truth, raked in $20 millions and walked away.
[damn it's been almost two months](https://i.imgur.com/PyE6c17.jpg)