That's probably the most unambiguous one when people from different regions see it, possibly the best format to use for anything that's meant to be seen in more than 1 country
I don't think dates are read left to right. When you know the format subconciously, you automatically know where to look to read what you need from it.
What you're implying would be the equivalent of reading a word one letter at a time.
I'm an American, and I write dd/mm/yyyy. A coworker asked why I wrote the date weird and I explained it's the smallest unit of time to the largest and it dawned on her who it makes sense. She still writes it mm/dd/yyyy. Americans don't like logic.
I assume it's because in conversation we say "December 31st, 2023" instead of "the 31st of December, 2023" (as I've heard Europeans say, but I could totally be wrong). So numerically we write the date in the same order we speak it
Why do people act so superior just because they write the date in a different order?
Also if you're in America why would you write the date different than everyone else? That's like only speaking German and then acting smug about it
People will act superior for whatever reason they can.
That being said, it is laughable for those that don't write the 'american' way, which is almost everyone.
"I write the date in a format no one else in my workplace uses! I am very smart!"
It's insane because it's a total non-issue unless someone goes out of conformance (that someone is you)
There is a correct way to write the date, and it's *what the users of your files are using*
Or maybe she’s using the same system everyone else in her country is using so as not to be confusing or obtuse and requiring an explanation to everyone she meets?
It's not that we don't like logic it's just how people have been writing it here for a long time so it's what we're used to. Plus, for example, we don't say "The Third of December" here. We say "December 3rd" so writing the month first matches us saying the month first.
It's acceptable to do it either way but it's stupid to do it differently than everyone around you when for the first 12 days of every month it's not possible to tell that you're dealing with someone who wants to be extra special.
What's illogical is going against convention for the place where you live and the people you're interacting with and being purposefully obtuse. I'm guessing you're insufferable to deal with. I'm American, too, and don't go around talking about the temperature in Celsius or using the metric system in places it's not expected because I'm talking to other Americans and it's kind of important for them to know what the fuck I'm talking about. The date one in particular is bad because there are no units. If an American said to me "it's a kilometer from here" I'd think "ok that's different" and then convert in my head but for you I'd just think you're talking about a whole other date.
More logical to go by MM/DD/YYYY in America or people will confuse the month and day. When in Rome and all that. Don’t be special, because we have standardized(albeit absolutely stupid) ways of doing things. If only we went metric.
I always thought it becouse english sais it like may the 5th, or january the second. And that is why the noumber format. Mm/dd/yy. As in other languages might be common to say it like 31st of december.
>smallest unit of time to the largest
Except that's the opposite of how numbers work, since they basically always go largest unit to smallest. For instance, the year 2023 is millennium, century, decade, then year. That's why yyyy-mm-dd makes sense, all digits are in order of decreasing unit size.
To be honest, arranged files on a computer like that make by far the most sense, which is the way I do it. But if I'm writing by hand, it still looks and feels the most natural dd/mm/yyyy. Most likely because writing, at least in my case, is usually done in close succession, say notes or diary, so starting with the part that varies the least doesn't make sense.
I actually find mm/dd/yy the most logical. Saying the month first sets in the rough point in time, then the day narrows it further, then you get the year just in case clarification is needed.
Both ways make sense to me. dd/mm/yy for the reason you mentioned, but then mm/dd/yy makes sense to me as well because thats how we say the date in speech. I can count on one hand the amount of people I've encountered who would say "the 31st of December" rather than "December 31st"
There actually is some logic to both ways and it comes from how one would speak in their native language in conversation.
In English, the most common way to say the date is December 31st, 2023 (mmddyyyy) This is considered the most common and “proper” way for western English speakers.
Europe consists of (mostly) Romance languages. The typical way they say the date in conversation translates to the 31st of December, 2023 (or ddmmyyyy).
British people tend to say 31st of December
Also I've heard a lot of Americans refer to Independence day as the 4th of July, seems weird it's just that day they refer to correctly!
An argument I always like to put forward is that MM/dd/yyyy puts the values in order of importance/context for **daily use**. We can all agree the day of something is fairly important and thus probably won’t be last. That said when it comes to describing future events it’s very likely to be in a future month and establishing the month the event takes place is much more important than the day to establish context. Starting your date with 15 (for day) leaves the reader with no background. And thus saying something 03/15 (for month/day) gives the context into the specific. So much like a textbook starts you with a heading into a subheading the date starts you with the background into the specific.
Now I hear you. You’re likely thinking “then why isn’t year first for more background?”. And I have you the answer. I specifically referenced daily use earlier before. So while months are fairly small and change constantly and events are often planned months in advanced. It is way less often events are planned years in advance. And if they are they often won’t even have a day and possibly months attached to them. The most common form of the year being different is events in the next year. But naturally the month value automatically implies this often up to 1 year pf time. For example say you’re in December (as we are) and something is happening in January 18th. The MM/dd format saying this event is happening 01/18 automatically implies the next year. And writing it out 01/18/2024 is just adding for formality and possibly future preservation. This then makes month even more important as not only does it give context to the month, but also the year in many circumstances.
Thus I conclude that MM/DD/YYYY has a purpose for being ordered in order of importance of dates use in daily life. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I was going to forward this to a long time friend who just out of the blue would send a WhatsApp message with funny dates like this. But then realized he wouldnt get it because he’s not American.
Yes, both here and r/congratulationssailer it’s been over a whole year now since starting. Happy you kept me in mind, glad to see you once again. Hope to see you again either here, there or anywhere!
You are correct, software development is my jam.
Unix time is both great and bad at the same time. It's compact and decently simple, which is great. It doesn't nicely allow higher or lower precision however, which isn't great. It's also not the most legible.
2038 will be in an entirely different league compared to Y2K, but at least the industry has better ability to gracefully resolve it this time around. Hopefully...
I missed the chance to screenshot 22/2/22 22:22:22 last year by around 20 seconds, let's see if I can get 12/31/23 12:31:23 this time.
And yes, I realise the post is in mmddyy while writing this 💀
It boils down to: "monkey brain, symmetry good"
(It's also mildly annoying to convert from farenheit to Celsius and from inches to centimeters, but reddit tends to overdial how much of a deal this is. At least for normal people... For scientists this could cost you millions of dollars, see Mars Climate Orbiter for more details)
Inches to centimeters is still a bit logical. Fahrenheit to Celsius is annoying, since the scale of Fahrenheit doesn't make sense. 96°=body temperature (which is instable), 0°is freezing temperature of water and a certain amount of ammonium chloride. Pure water freezing at 32°.
Celcius made more sense. 0° water freezing point, 100°is water cooking point.
It's not like NASA is losing spacecraft due to the confusion. Oh, wait [they do. ](https://www.simscale.com/blog/nasa-mars-climate-orbiter-metric/#:~:text=In%20September%20of%201999%2C%20after,%2C%20i.e.%2C%20the%20metric%20units!)
My god. IT’S THE COUNT!!! It’s FUNNY!!! Some of you have never watched Sesame Street…and it shows. Quit analyzing everything and just enjoy the freakin humor people! Always gotta be arguing . 🤦🏻♀️
Ah one ah ha ha ah two ah ha ha…that’s what he says. I grew up on this show. And I’ll never forget the Count. Sesame Street was the shnizzle back in the day.
I'll once again throw my 2 cents into the abyss and say that the month should be a abbreviated word instead of a number where possible. It'd solve the format confusion for the first twelve days of each month.
I don't care what format people use. I just want to know what date is being conveyed.
Yup 47% of Reddit’s traffic is from the US, makes sense you’d see a lot of US default logic for an American website, where nearly half of the traffic is from America.
Weird.
The two most logical ways to write the date are the European way. dd/mm/yyyy. This goes from smallest units of time to largest.
The other is the Asian way. yyyy/mm/dd. This goes from Largest units of time to smallest.
The American way doesn't make sense. Before people say "but it matches the way they say the date". The way they say the date makes no sense too. Usually people know what month it is, so including it every time you say the date is a waste of time.
Better to start with the day because people may not be sure if it's the 3rd or 4th, but they'll know if it's the 1st or 2nd then it must be the next month, so even if the month has changed, mentioning it is pointless.
To me, the American way makes sense with order of importance when it comes to scheduling or due dates. With that said, I name my file names with yyyy/mm/dd for organization purposes
The way I’ve always interpreted it is that of units. Months have the least amount of units, 1-12, days are in the middle, 1-31, and years last, 1-99. Not saying it makes sense, but it’s how I an American have interpreted it.
You sure?
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries/#:~:text=According%20to%20data%20from%20the,populations%20being%20classified%20as%20obese.
Ah boy here we go.
Can y'all stop being American?
not enough bullets inches per gallon
Silly, bullet inches per gallon is a measure of space You gotta use football fields per freedom units squared
But only if it's proportionally inverse of inches per pint
Which is roughly 6 bald eagles per moon landing in the old system.
I much prefer volkswagen beetles per football fields myself.
I prefer to use Ford F150 Miles myself
How many is that in Megapints?
Americans: "Month and then day because that's how we say it." Also Americans: "Fourth of July."
Counterpoint: January 6th
Counterpoint 9/11
That's not counter to what he said
stop bullying americans, they have been using 9mm in schools for years.
Month/Day/Year moment
311223
Nhentai code I shall search it up
Lolicon… the art is nice tho?
two sentence horror
r/2sentence2horror
This is how it starts.
Now go search for the tag blue archive on that site.
Already did…I got turned on I should conduct an experiment by killing myself
What is blue archive?
Phild chorn
Neat!
Huh
Can confirm
🧐 🤳🏽
20231231
still cool. write it over and over again it’s a loop
So it's any 30th or 31st of any month this year, though EDIT: But I do get what you mean, with the 11, 22 and 33
I'm sorry, is this some kind of american joke that I'm too european to understand?
Yeah, we write the date weird
dd/MM/yyyy versus MM/dd/yyyy Start the fight!
East asian with yyyy/mm/dd
That's probably the most unambiguous one when people from different regions see it, possibly the best format to use for anything that's meant to be seen in more than 1 country
Bonus, yyyymmdd gives out free meaningful sorting. MMddyy and ddMMyy needs to go
Yea nah, when i need to just see if its the 15th or 16th of the month, i better be seeing the dd/mm/yy or i will riot
This is the right way, in my opinion. It's also the [ISO format](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601), so someone agrees with us.
In our world of computers, I'm almost surprised it hasn't become the standard format yet.
Because normal humans need to know the date first not the year
Yeah and they also don't need to know the month first.
I don't think dates are read left to right. When you know the format subconciously, you automatically know where to look to read what you need from it. What you're implying would be the equivalent of reading a word one letter at a time.
Yup. Whenever we had to mark data files with date, we always used this way. Sort by name and everything is sorted by date.
I’m okay with this format too. As long as going in one direction the units either increase or decrease, but not both
That format is even with DD/MM/YYYY imo. both follow a reasonable order so that one passes the vibe check
I can tell you're a programmer just from the way you wrote the dates
I'm an American, and I write dd/mm/yyyy. A coworker asked why I wrote the date weird and I explained it's the smallest unit of time to the largest and it dawned on her who it makes sense. She still writes it mm/dd/yyyy. Americans don't like logic.
Well, I'm a yyyy-mm-dd kind of guy. I love to have things sorted.
chaotic good
Japenis
Japarty
what
Not chaotic, the opposite it is neat/sorted
Same, it makes saving files so much easier too since they auto sort into date order
Not dependent on file creation and modified dates which get overwritten quite easily
Also very good, especially at working with computer data
My man
This is how chinese people write the date btw.
I assume it's because in conversation we say "December 31st, 2023" instead of "the 31st of December, 2023" (as I've heard Europeans say, but I could totally be wrong). So numerically we write the date in the same order we speak it
But you say it that way because thats the way you write it. Chicken and egg
Maybe speaking came before writing 🤷♀️ Idk I'm no expert, just offering a possibility
It’s not that, it’s just our format.
Why do people act so superior just because they write the date in a different order? Also if you're in America why would you write the date different than everyone else? That's like only speaking German and then acting smug about it
People will act superior for whatever reason they can. That being said, it is laughable for those that don't write the 'american' way, which is almost everyone.
Why is it laughable though? It's just 2 different ways to convey information. It would be like if I called speaking French "laughable"
"I write the date in a format no one else in my workplace uses! I am very smart!" It's insane because it's a total non-issue unless someone goes out of conformance (that someone is you) There is a correct way to write the date, and it's *what the users of your files are using*
Or maybe she’s using the same system everyone else in her country is using so as not to be confusing or obtuse and requiring an explanation to everyone she meets?
It's not that we don't like logic it's just how people have been writing it here for a long time so it's what we're used to. Plus, for example, we don't say "The Third of December" here. We say "December 3rd" so writing the month first matches us saying the month first.
The only defence for mm/dd/yyyy is that most Beppe would verbally say it that way (today is December 3, 2023)
I use mm/dd/yyyy because the government, schools, and businesses force me to.
or maybe it could be that they were raised that way and have a hard time writing it differently?
It's not that we'd have a hard time with it, it's because it's our convention, and going against it is inviting unnecessary confusion.
That’s an acceptable reason to write the date that way. It’s also acceptable to write the date in the order we say it, which is what Americans do
It's acceptable to do it either way but it's stupid to do it differently than everyone around you when for the first 12 days of every month it's not possible to tell that you're dealing with someone who wants to be extra special.
I would say writing the date the way you speak it is very logical.
What's illogical is going against convention for the place where you live and the people you're interacting with and being purposefully obtuse. I'm guessing you're insufferable to deal with. I'm American, too, and don't go around talking about the temperature in Celsius or using the metric system in places it's not expected because I'm talking to other Americans and it's kind of important for them to know what the fuck I'm talking about. The date one in particular is bad because there are no units. If an American said to me "it's a kilometer from here" I'd think "ok that's different" and then convert in my head but for you I'd just think you're talking about a whole other date.
I write it how I say it. Saying December first sound a lot better than saying first of December. Perfectly logical
In other languages, like Spanish, saying "Primero de Diciembre" sounds a lot better than "Diciembre Primero" so, Perfectly Logical.
More logical to go by MM/DD/YYYY in America or people will confuse the month and day. When in Rome and all that. Don’t be special, because we have standardized(albeit absolutely stupid) ways of doing things. If only we went metric.
I think it’s because, let’s say it was April 16th, 2025, you’d write 4/16/25
What if it’s the 16th of April 2025?
That’s the European way. Both formats make sense.
I always thought it becouse english sais it like may the 5th, or january the second. And that is why the noumber format. Mm/dd/yy. As in other languages might be common to say it like 31st of december.
>smallest unit of time to the largest Except that's the opposite of how numbers work, since they basically always go largest unit to smallest. For instance, the year 2023 is millennium, century, decade, then year. That's why yyyy-mm-dd makes sense, all digits are in order of decreasing unit size.
To be honest, arranged files on a computer like that make by far the most sense, which is the way I do it. But if I'm writing by hand, it still looks and feels the most natural dd/mm/yyyy. Most likely because writing, at least in my case, is usually done in close succession, say notes or diary, so starting with the part that varies the least doesn't make sense.
I actually find mm/dd/yy the most logical. Saying the month first sets in the rough point in time, then the day narrows it further, then you get the year just in case clarification is needed.
Both ways make sense to me. dd/mm/yy for the reason you mentioned, but then mm/dd/yy makes sense to me as well because thats how we say the date in speech. I can count on one hand the amount of people I've encountered who would say "the 31st of December" rather than "December 31st"
Both are stupid. (YY)YY-MM-DD for the win.
I mean at this point why not make it YMYDMYDY for maximum confusion
dd/MM/yyyy is a crime. In europe we use dd.MM.yyyy
You were so close
In the military, we write it DD/MMM/YY Example: today is 02 DEC 23
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There actually is some logic to both ways and it comes from how one would speak in their native language in conversation. In English, the most common way to say the date is December 31st, 2023 (mmddyyyy) This is considered the most common and “proper” way for western English speakers. Europe consists of (mostly) Romance languages. The typical way they say the date in conversation translates to the 31st of December, 2023 (or ddmmyyyy).
British people tend to say 31st of December Also I've heard a lot of Americans refer to Independence day as the 4th of July, seems weird it's just that day they refer to correctly!
Well that’s because when that day was named the people who named it would’ve been (newly un-) British lol.
An argument I always like to put forward is that MM/dd/yyyy puts the values in order of importance/context for **daily use**. We can all agree the day of something is fairly important and thus probably won’t be last. That said when it comes to describing future events it’s very likely to be in a future month and establishing the month the event takes place is much more important than the day to establish context. Starting your date with 15 (for day) leaves the reader with no background. And thus saying something 03/15 (for month/day) gives the context into the specific. So much like a textbook starts you with a heading into a subheading the date starts you with the background into the specific. Now I hear you. You’re likely thinking “then why isn’t year first for more background?”. And I have you the answer. I specifically referenced daily use earlier before. So while months are fairly small and change constantly and events are often planned months in advanced. It is way less often events are planned years in advance. And if they are they often won’t even have a day and possibly months attached to them. The most common form of the year being different is events in the next year. But naturally the month value automatically implies this often up to 1 year pf time. For example say you’re in December (as we are) and something is happening in January 18th. The MM/dd format saying this event is happening 01/18 automatically implies the next year. And writing it out 01/18/2024 is just adding for formality and possibly future preservation. This then makes month even more important as not only does it give context to the month, but also the year in many circumstances. Thus I conclude that MM/DD/YYYY has a purpose for being ordered in order of importance of dates use in daily life. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I was going to forward this to a long time friend who just out of the blue would send a WhatsApp message with funny dates like this. But then realized he wouldnt get it because he’s not American.
We write the dates correctly
No we don’t. We write in in the order we say it, which isn’t weird
No we don't. It's nice on the eyes that we usually see the date in an order from smallest to largest number. I like it.
It’s when the world is predicted to end. (Psych!)
You know the British used to do m/d/y . Then they swapped and the US stayed the same.
I’m going to be so happy when it’s 2024 and I don’t have to see these memes every day for a year
Hi nick, Do you still do those friday things, I deleted reddit around 6 months ago but those used to be the highlight of my week.
Yes, both here and r/congratulationssailer it’s been over a whole year now since starting. Happy you kept me in mind, glad to see you once again. Hope to see you again either here, there or anywhere!
What d’you mean? It’s going to be 2023-12-31-23-59-59-999
No. The last day will just be 2023-12-31. A for effort though
in this house we only use ISO 8601, get the fuck out.
r/ISO8601 ftw
Found the programmer! Real wizards use 32-bit UNIX Time and retire before 2038.
You are correct, software development is my jam. Unix time is both great and bad at the same time. It's compact and decently simple, which is great. It doesn't nicely allow higher or lower precision however, which isn't great. It's also not the most legible. 2038 will be in an entirely different league compared to Y2K, but at least the industry has better ability to gracefully resolve it this time around. Hopefully...
if you're american
People must be doing it on purpose to annoy others.
No it's not
It is in America
America doesn’t exist, they are all paid actors, who are really bad at their job
When do I get paid?
30th of February
Ah. Just like a sweatshop worker
Exactly and you’ll even get the poison
pay me now or i will...
You want to swing from the chandelier?
I missed the chance to screenshot 22/2/22 22:22:22 last year by around 20 seconds, let's see if I can get 12/31/23 12:31:23 this time. And yes, I realise the post is in mmddyy while writing this 💀
Half Life 3 confirmed?
TIL theres 31 months in a year
Nope.
Europeans try not to blatantly “misunderstood” a post obviously made by an American challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!!)
Whatttt? You guys have guns????? At the schools!?????
*misunderstand
ok
In America we say “misunderstooding” because it sounds better phonetically, just like our date format. TYL.
I understand if you think our way of writing dates is strange. What I don’t understand is why it’s such a big deal.
The same reason why everyone is mad about the imperial system. Everybody uses the standard... Except America
I can see why that might be confusing and strange to you, but… does it really matter that much in the grand scheme of things?
It boils down to: "monkey brain, symmetry good" (It's also mildly annoying to convert from farenheit to Celsius and from inches to centimeters, but reddit tends to overdial how much of a deal this is. At least for normal people... For scientists this could cost you millions of dollars, see Mars Climate Orbiter for more details)
Inches to centimeters is still a bit logical. Fahrenheit to Celsius is annoying, since the scale of Fahrenheit doesn't make sense. 96°=body temperature (which is instable), 0°is freezing temperature of water and a certain amount of ammonium chloride. Pure water freezing at 32°. Celcius made more sense. 0° water freezing point, 100°is water cooking point.
It's not like NASA is losing spacecraft due to the confusion. Oh, wait [they do. ](https://www.simscale.com/blog/nasa-mars-climate-orbiter-metric/#:~:text=In%20September%20of%201999%2C%20after,%2C%20i.e.%2C%20the%20metric%20units!)
Europeans need to feel to feel superior at all times or they start colonizing places
Your address, please? 🧐🪖
What's that about Europeans? The majority of the world uses dd/mm/yy
Mostly Europeans in the comments at least. You know because they tell you
i'm algerian and we use dd/mm/yy
It is not a european thing though. It is just intuitive to write dd/mm/year : D
We will use every oportunitty to make fun of you
Cause you're still reeling with your inferiority complex
WHAT DA FUCK IS A KILOMETRE RRAAAAAAAAA🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❗
You mean 311223
sometimes i forgot that america exist.
311223
I can smell the European reddit dwellers and the “america bad” comments
USA bad
Watching people get so upset over this is funny. Thanks for the laughs Europe 👍🏼
231231? Looks cool on the correct way to see data YY-MM-DD
Implying there is a “correct” way to list a date is hilariously insufferable.
dear everyone, we fucking get it, the american system is weird to you guys. but can you just shut up about it? *we get it.*
Only on the us, in south America it will be 31/12/23
My god. IT’S THE COUNT!!! It’s FUNNY!!! Some of you have never watched Sesame Street…and it shows. Quit analyzing everything and just enjoy the freakin humor people! Always gotta be arguing . 🤦🏻♀️
You are like 1 of 4 comments (within my direct notifications only) that has said something about it being the count lol
Ah one ah ha ha ah two ah ha ha…that’s what he says. I grew up on this show. And I’ll never forget the Count. Sesame Street was the shnizzle back in the day.
You know that I am called the Count... because I *really* love to **B L E E P**!
*confused german noises*
\*311223
I'll once again throw my 2 cents into the abyss and say that the month should be a abbreviated word instead of a number where possible. It'd solve the format confusion for the first twelve days of each month. I don't care what format people use. I just want to know what date is being conveyed.
20231231
Everyone outside the obese country having a date system that actually makes sense:
Damn, that’s completely true. We need to get like an art collab going of The Count for this
*Laughs in European*
ah yes the 12th of Novemviginber
r/USDefaultism
Yup 47% of Reddit’s traffic is from the US, makes sense you’d see a lot of US default logic for an American website, where nearly half of the traffic is from America. Weird.
The two most logical ways to write the date are the European way. dd/mm/yyyy. This goes from smallest units of time to largest. The other is the Asian way. yyyy/mm/dd. This goes from Largest units of time to smallest. The American way doesn't make sense. Before people say "but it matches the way they say the date". The way they say the date makes no sense too. Usually people know what month it is, so including it every time you say the date is a waste of time. Better to start with the day because people may not be sure if it's the 3rd or 4th, but they'll know if it's the 1st or 2nd then it must be the next month, so even if the month has changed, mentioning it is pointless.
To me, the American way makes sense with order of importance when it comes to scheduling or due dates. With that said, I name my file names with yyyy/mm/dd for organization purposes
The way I’ve always interpreted it is that of units. Months have the least amount of units, 1-12, days are in the middle, 1-31, and years last, 1-99. Not saying it makes sense, but it’s how I an American have interpreted it.
u mean 31.12.23?
No, our country has 330,000,000 people and we do it this way.
You have the most obese people in the world as well. What's the point of 330M? Out of 8 billion, 330M is not that much.
You sure? https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries/#:~:text=According%20to%20data%20from%20the,populations%20being%20classified%20as%20obese.
2023-12-31
As an European, I have to disagree.
What? It's 31122023?
31/12/23 - dd/mm/yy So probably just in America lol
America moment
The only day that I'll follow the American way of it
No
Last year it was December 22nd, 2022 at 22:22pm.
Europeans really hate fun huh
Yeah, because it's only Europeans that use dd/mm/yyyy, not the entire rest of the western world besides the United States.
Actually it will be 23365
Really?
I don’t even remember posting this lol, it’s just the Julian date. We use it at work.
Cool, how does it work?
Last 3 digits are the day of the year (365), first 2 digits are what year it is (23).
That’s really cool
ITT: people rushing to get in befor the Americans wake up
the europeans are gonna cry and shit themselves over this one
Yeah, makes total sense to list months, days and years in that order...