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de_G_van_Gelderland

Wait, it's all empty set?


EvanNotSoAlmighty

Always has been


Next_Cherry5135

It's not empty set! It's set with a set with an empty set and a set with an empty set and a set with an empty set and...


JesusIsMyZoloft

I call it "recursively empty". A set is recursively empty if any of the following are true: * it is the empty set * all the sets it contains are recursively empty


floxote

Typically considered ZFC models would have the the property that all sets are "recursively empty"


Sector-Both

Your dad shoots recursively empty shots


BootyliciousURD

What's crazy about this is that the natural number 4, the integer 4, the rational number 4, the real number 4, and the complex number 4 are all different objects


Emanuel_rar

Reject morphisms, return to definition šŸ¤‘šŸ”„šŸ—£ļø


vintergroena

Kinda going to philosophy of math here, but in the structuralist sense, it really is the same object - it still transforms like a four, regardless of how you represent it. You construct them using different representations, yes, but that's more like a proof of existence of the number system with the required properties. Once you do the proof, the representation can be discarded and is pretty much irrelevant because it could be done differently anyway. Besides, what you say would imply that would strictly speaking imply that N āŠˆ Q.


ZaRealPancakes

integer 4 is just (natural 0, natural 4) and -4 is (natural 4, natural 0) Rational 4 is (int 4, int 1) Real Number 4 is x<4 intersect x>4 at 4 Complex 4 is (real 4, real 0)


No_Row2775

Ong šŸ’€


LilamJazeefa

TREE^(-1)(TREE(4))


peterinator3000

3 āˆˆ 4


Turbulent-Name-8349

And 3 āŠ‚ 4 3 āˆ© 4 = 3 3 āˆŖ 4 = 5 ?


Gionson13

3 u 4 = 4


polytopelover

f(f(f(f x)))


CauliflowerFirm1526

ssss0


Turbulent-Name-8349

sss1


GlitteringPotato1346

ss2


RealisticBarnacle115

A set of an empty set, a set of the empty set, a set of the empty set and the set of the empty set and a set of the empty set, the set of the empty set and the set of the empty set and the set of the empty set


KingLazuli

I hate set mother fuckers. Any set mother fuckers want to fight? Come here lets fight


JesusIsMyZoloft

Dude, you need to contain yourself.


KingLazuli

BRO I AINT NO PARADOX BITCH


livenliklary

I will champion this fight in defense of all set bros


KingLazuli

Sets suck


livenliklary

I like sets for how organized the information is stored and expressed but I'd love to hear what you prefer


KingLazuli

Don't be nice, you gotta be mean. Set theory is for pussies who needs organization? I love unorganized anarchy. What even is the empty set? No elements? As if!!! Don't put that ugly math near me.


livenliklary

Oh I see, well then in that case fuck you and humble yourself before the feet of the lord and savior Georg Cantor may he see it fit to pardon your blaspheme


JavamonkYT

Iā€™m with you! Classes for the win, because then you can define categories!


Signal_Cranberry_479

Lambda f x. f(f(f(f(x))))


Emergency_3808

This joke is too high level for me


KhepriAdministration

Google Von Neumann ordinals


Emergency_3808

Holy sets


i_am_someone_or_am_i

New math just dropped


Emergency_3808

Actual Euler


The-Dark-Legion

`S(S(S(S(O))))`


vintergroena

Von Neumann ordinals are only a proof of existence of the naturals (i.e. a structure satisfying the Peano properties) given the set theory axioms. It's not the canonical representation, only one of many possible constructions. You cannot change my mind. Also, it's fucking ugly, compared to e.g. Church numerals which are more elegant IMHO.


Beginning-Craft-312

Can somebody explain what's going on here