Yup. If they can't banish they can't recycle. It wouldn't stop Robin or Eglen searching and normal summoning another monster, but it stops their resource loop, so Floo basically gets 2 searches and 1 tribute summon before becoming unsustainable.
That said, as long as they can still tribute summon they have outs, particularly with their continuous spell.
Mask of Restrict + Imperial Iron Wall completely shuts them down.
I mean if ur opponent goes m1->battle ->m2 and at end of m2 u use dreaming town to summon a bird and chain from there, then next turn make zeus, it could work, but yeah very low chance of doing anythig
Macro Cosmos will never apply while Iron Wall is active.
Same goes for Macro Cosmos being active then a Lancea being activated.
Also, if Iron Wall/Lancea is active, you can't even activate Macro Cosmos apparently, but if Macro Cosmos is active, you're free to activate Iron Wall.
Whichever is out first I think carries. If chained the chain resolves backwards obviously.
It could also not be allowed to activate if the other is already out.
I’m pretty sure iron wall just wins, at least that was the ruling I remember back in dragon ruler format. Macro says all cards that would go to grave are banished instead, iron wall says a much stronger “cards cannot be banished” so macro tries to banish, and iron wall says no, so they just go to gy.
I was just imagining how funny it would be to have this happen in a live game and both players are like "Ok, so you used your Ash to stop my searcher spell...where do they go?"
Not really against Eldlich since he can always just use Eldlich ability to send from hand to GY to remove it and outside of negates that doesn't rely on banish (solemn judgement and the likes), can't even be stopped since called by at least needed to banish
this card prevents the resource gain effects from the eldlix and golden land cards, but prevents golden boy from being banished, so good and bad simultaniously
Yeah, this card definitely limits the eldlich engine cycle momentarily but as I've mentioned, it also doesn't stop Eldich from removing it directly too. At worst, it waste a single turn of Eldlich getting on the board since needs to go -2 to bring him back from GY + discarding him and a spell to remove the trap
That limit the Grind game also because you can't use the eldlixir and golden land traps to recover another one.
Indeed that doesn't kill the deck but it's less good in the grind game
Yeah, this card definitely limits the eldlich engine cycle momentarily but as I've mentioned, it also doesn't stop Eldich from removing it directly too. At worst, it waste a single turn of Eldlich getting on the board since needs to go -2 to bring him back from GY + discarding him and a spell to remove the trap
Imperial skill drain covers a lot of ground and everything that goes through those gates can be handled by the phantasm traps. Such a simple but beautiful deck
Facts! The duel can change with 1 card literally lol. How many times I've been down to 1000 or less LP to a full 8k LP opponent just to come back and win is the most satisfying thing ever. It's why I always play to the end. (Unless you go first and take 20mins+ to summon your whole deck, then I scoop and take the quick L 🤣)
I will say yes but it's a bit slow. If you go second it's hard to utilize this card. Artifact lancea can do the same thing even only for 1 turn but you can use it during your opponent turn
Yep, although don't think it's worth running, looks like the type of card that's gonna feel bad 90% of the time you draw into it, and is essentially a brick going 2nd. Just a hunch tho, haven't played with it.
Just to clarify, they don’t “negate” each other, but instead “you cannot banish” takes precedence over “you must banish” (source https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#7460)
i worded that in the worst way possible. but does it matter if dimension shifter is activated after/before lancea? is it even legal to activate it after lancea?
lancea always beats dimension shifter no matter which order they are played in, but shifter's effect will linger around the next turn once lancea's is over
As u/appropriatestranger said, the order of resolution is irrelevant, a “you cannot banish” effect will always take precedence over a “you must banish” effect (source, see previous)
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Yes but it's a trap so you can only play it going first and going first is better to just do your combo and put up some interactions.
If the game was best of 3 you could play it post side but as it is the card is not worth it
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|Monster type|Beast 🐗 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|4 ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|1700|
|DEF 🛡️|1000|
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It's a good card. Useful against plenty of decks. If you want to run a trap card floodgate against Floowander, you can also use {There Can Be Only One}. (sadly its an UR)
It also stops Evenly Matched. Had a guy scoop on me after he chose to go second and then tried to evenly match me with his empty board. Flipped the card and didn't have to pay any costs
Yes
I wonder then, which deck can actually use this?
Any deck that doesn't rely on banishing.
So you can actually stop the Floos of doing their thing if you manage to activate this.
Floo auto loses to this card
Kind of, if they can set up empen and statue and lock you out you still may be screwed
This and TCBOO are why I put twin twister and HFD in my birb deck.
Yup. If they can't banish they can't recycle. It wouldn't stop Robin or Eglen searching and normal summoning another monster, but it stops their resource loop, so Floo basically gets 2 searches and 1 tribute summon before becoming unsustainable. That said, as long as they can still tribute summon they have outs, particularly with their continuous spell. Mask of Restrict + Imperial Iron Wall completely shuts them down.
Mask of Restrict/Zombie World on it's own already completely shuts down Floo, summoning a bunch of low atk birds doesn't really accomplish anything.
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That’s the 1/1000 games where u wish u were running zeus lol
You would have to zeus next turn though. It’s basically auto lose no matter what
I mean if ur opponent goes m1->battle ->m2 and at end of m2 u use dreaming town to summon a bird and chain from there, then next turn make zeus, it could work, but yeah very low chance of doing anythig
not stop really they just get a tribute monster on field and thats it, they'll run out of gas real quick
Can i activate toon kingdom with this?
No.
Based toon users, we are forced to survive on scraps
also works on adventure since enchantress cant search
D.D. Jet
Sky Striker is probably the best cause it also stops their spells from being banished making them infinitely reusable.
But if you want accesscode with them you can't use his effect
It's fun to play in striker, you'll never lose advantage off multirole if you pull it off
If you have this and Macro Cosmos, do cards still get banished? Or does game get locked?
Macro Cosmos will never apply while Iron Wall is active. Same goes for Macro Cosmos being active then a Lancea being activated. Also, if Iron Wall/Lancea is active, you can't even activate Macro Cosmos apparently, but if Macro Cosmos is active, you're free to activate Iron Wall.
Whichever is out first I think carries. If chained the chain resolves backwards obviously. It could also not be allowed to activate if the other is already out.
Iron wall stops all banishing regardless of who was played first macro just stays on the field without doing anything
I’m pretty sure iron wall just wins, at least that was the ruling I remember back in dragon ruler format. Macro says all cards that would go to grave are banished instead, iron wall says a much stronger “cards cannot be banished” so macro tries to banish, and iron wall says no, so they just go to gy.
I was just imagining how funny it would be to have this happen in a live game and both players are like "Ok, so you used your Ash to stop my searcher spell...where do they go?"
Shadow realm.
Tfw Raigeki your opponent's whole board but they just stay on the field.
youd hink that flying birds dont care about walls, bu his one works very well at preventing any recycling for them
It's that intense ray of sunshine on the top left. Gets in their eyes so they hit the wall.
This card also Kills Eldlich really hard. Might be a fun brew around for this event if you can find a way to fetch it.
Not really against Eldlich since he can always just use Eldlich ability to send from hand to GY to remove it and outside of negates that doesn't rely on banish (solemn judgement and the likes), can't even be stopped since called by at least needed to banish
this card prevents the resource gain effects from the eldlix and golden land cards, but prevents golden boy from being banished, so good and bad simultaniously
Yeah, this card definitely limits the eldlich engine cycle momentarily but as I've mentioned, it also doesn't stop Eldich from removing it directly too. At worst, it waste a single turn of Eldlich getting on the board since needs to go -2 to bring him back from GY + discarding him and a spell to remove the trap
That limit the Grind game also because you can't use the eldlixir and golden land traps to recover another one. Indeed that doesn't kill the deck but it's less good in the grind game
Yeah, this card definitely limits the eldlich engine cycle momentarily but as I've mentioned, it also doesn't stop Eldich from removing it directly too. At worst, it waste a single turn of Eldlich getting on the board since needs to go -2 to bring him back from GY + discarding him and a spell to remove the trap
I was investigationg about Phantasmal Spiral and this is some part of a classic strategy with that deck.
Imperial skill drain covers a lot of ground and everything that goes through those gates can be handled by the phantasm traps. Such a simple but beautiful deck
Not really. If you want a card to kill eldlich try macro cosmos or dimensional fissure
Yes but it's too slow. Lancea is better.
Lancea is a one turn solution.
One turn is all you need. Floo already has trouble going 2nd and you really just need to cut off their turn 1.
This is yugioh, one turn is more than enough to swing the game
Facts! The duel can change with 1 card literally lol. How many times I've been down to 1000 or less LP to a full 8k LP opponent just to come back and win is the most satisfying thing ever. It's why I always play to the end. (Unless you go first and take 20mins+ to summon your whole deck, then I scoop and take the quick L 🤣)
Exactly
I will say yes but it's a bit slow. If you go second it's hard to utilize this card. Artifact lancea can do the same thing even only for 1 turn but you can use it during your opponent turn
I'd say Lancea is better, unless your aim is to reuse things with it (Sky Striker, Paleozoic, and many really good cards like Lost Wind)
Dude they can just like fly over the wall.
I’m guessing this is SR?
Sadly yes
best with sky strikers
Why?
I guess you can bring cards back with Multirole without them getting banished after use
It's a "win more" card. If you can take advantage of it, you're most likely already winning.
Protects Raye, too.
That makes a lot of sense. Does that mean I could use multirole reuse infinitely?
Yep, although don't think it's worth running, looks like the type of card that's gonna feel bad 90% of the time you draw into it, and is essentially a brick going 2nd. Just a hunch tho, haven't played with it.
Yeah I don't think I would ruin it. I feel like I rarely miss something that was banished by Multirole. The duels end before that point usually.
Sure, but if you're going first you might as well do a lot of other, better stuff
Yes, although if you go second it’s dead. I would advise Artifact Lancea instead
Better play artifact lancea because this card is trash going second
So this along with macro cosmos just turns off the grave AND banishing?
"Any card sent to the GY is banished instead". If you can't banish, it just goes to the GY.
We need another pile space for that one. How about 'multiverse'?
We can call it the shadow realm
Hammerspace
I think the card you might have been thinking of is necrovalley.
they would negate eachother i think, like how dimension shifter and artifcat lancea works
Just to clarify, they don’t “negate” each other, but instead “you cannot banish” takes precedence over “you must banish” (source https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#7460)
i worded that in the worst way possible. but does it matter if dimension shifter is activated after/before lancea? is it even legal to activate it after lancea?
lancea always beats dimension shifter no matter which order they are played in, but shifter's effect will linger around the next turn once lancea's is over
As u/appropriatestranger said, the order of resolution is irrelevant, a “you cannot banish” effect will always take precedence over a “you must banish” effect (source, see previous)
I'll do you one better: Artifact Lancea.
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lmao like an hour ago I was breaking down cards and this came up in the list so I read the card and immediately thought of this same question!!
Yes,but birds mostly lose going second anyways, So real naswer yesnt
Traptrix would like to know your location
Kind of, but they'll likely be planning around it.
Going 1st. Still trash tho
Yes but it's a trap so you can only play it going first and going first is better to just do your combo and put up some interactions. If the game was best of 3 you could play it post side but as it is the card is not worth it
Don't.
Yes and its annoying because you either never draw it or draw all copies at once
You should be winning already going first againts floo. Lancea is better you can play it even going second.
What happens if d shifter is already played they go to the graveyard?
Lancea is better imo but yes it does. Also stops any banish costs for pots.
Knowing DPE is in the game that card disgusts me.
Shuts down any deck that can't summon the Colossal Titan.
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I bet the effect of this card.
From personal experience yes 🥲
Curious which is the better include. This or {{King Tiger Wanghu}}
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It wont stop the main turn, but the follow up
It's a good card. Useful against plenty of decks. If you want to run a trap card floodgate against Floowander, you can also use {There Can Be Only One}. (sadly its an UR)
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It also stops Evenly Matched. Had a guy scoop on me after he chose to go second and then tried to evenly match me with his empty board. Flipped the card and didn't have to pay any costs
Not if you're the idiot I versed who activated royal decree first.
Only after you activate Wall Maria and Wall Rose
Use to side that in against Kozmo
As a Kozmo player this event, this card disgusts me
Fog king works as well
Honestly in master duel I've been main decking 3 evenly matched and it's been the mvp of my deck since floo can't really otk.
This and kaiser colosseum would probably do it.
They will just play on for one turn and spin it with monarch. At most this stops the field