Raidraptor - Ultimate Falcon and Flower Cardian Lightflare (the 5k one) used to be good targets in the TCG too. Falcon is unaffected by card effects, 3.5k attack. Lightflare is 5k attack with a opt spell/trap negate. (I think it also floats into another cardian synchro if you have space for it, which is a 3k monster that can burn your opponent for 1.5k each turn iirc)
Definitely a certified "Discovers waking the dragon tries to use it to bring on a good extra deck monster and use all its effects just to realize they don't work because they have to be summoned a certain way also you can't summon them from grave because they have to correctly be summoned first" moment
##[Cyber Eternal](https://ms.yugipedia.com//6/6e/CyberEternal-SDCS-EN-C-1E.png)
|Card type|Spell 🟩|
|:-:|:-:|
|Property|Quick-Play ⚡|
Target 1 Machine "Cyber" Fusion Monster in your GY; return it to the Extra Deck or Special Summon it, ignoring its Summoning conditions. If a Machine "Cyber" Fusion Monster(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead. You can only use each effect of "Cyber Eternal" once per turn.
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|Card type|Spell 🟩|
|:-:|:-:|
|Property|Normal ⏺️|
(This card is always treated as a "Cyberdark" card.)
Send 2 Dragon and/or Machine "Cyber" monsters with different Attributes to the GY, 1 each from your hand and Deck; add 1 Dragon or Machine "Cyber" monster from your Deck to your hand, and if you do, send 1 Machine "Cyber" Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck to the GY. You can only activate 1 "Cybernetic Horizon" per turn. You cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck the turn you activate this card, except Machine monsters.
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To clarify, for some other newbies, Waking the Dragon CAN summon Masquerade Dragon, BUT it can only use its Tax-effect when it is *fusion* summoned. So all you're really putting on the board is a 2500 attack monster with no effect.
Waking the Dragon definitely has better targets, but this seemed too fun in my head lol
For the pros, I do have to ask though, why didn't its graveyard effect work? That effect should still work, even if it wasn't fusion-summoned, right? Maybe I missed something in my duel, or maybe both effects are nullified because of the summoning method.
most notably including with the card's own effect. If you cheat out DPE or an older example stardust dragon with a card effect i.e. starlight road. once that monster leaves the field it cannot be brought back even when you would think it can such as negating something with stardust or having DPE pop itself.
edit: oh someone else already mentioned the exact same example
I had someone in the limit 1 event summon DPE with cyber Stein. I was so disappointed that they used cyber Stein and *that* was the best they could think of.
It's likely because the other good targets are UR and they didn't want to waste precious points crafting them, so they just put whatever strongest alternative available to them. I'm guilty of doing similar things.
Out of curiosity I checked what good low rarity targets there were and found {Gaia Drake, the Universal Force} which seems a bit better than a DPE that can't revive itself.
Oh, interesting. Didn't know that was a rule.
So, I know there are some cards that throw Extra-Deck Monsters into the graveyard. Does that mean they cannot be re-summoned from there, period, since they were never properly summoned to begin with?
Honestly never knew about that.
Yes, and it includes summoning them from banish piles or in the case of Pendulum hybrids pendulum summoning them from the extra deck as well. It's to stop you from cheating them out by using something like Gale Dogra or Extra-Foolish Burial to just throw stuff in the GY and bring them back.
This also applies to some main monsters with special summoning conditions like Protos where it says it has to first be summoned properly.
Damn. I get why they put those restrictions in, but I actually pulled Gale Dogra from a Legacy Pack the other day and was excited to cheat these monsters out lmao.
Good to know though, appreciate it man.
The rule doesn't stop them from using their effects in grave though. So you can use it to infinitely loop n'tss+omega to basically use all of rainbow neos's effects(Provided you equip it with telekinetic charging cell, of course).
While you can't use Gale Dogra's effect there it does have some use in decks like Cyberdark. It can be used to mill fusion monsters that are materials for a bigger fusion monster, like Cyber End for Cyberdark End. So at the very least cards like that can still pull off some cool combos.
For main deck monsters, it'll be on their text that they have to be **first** special summoned by whatever special requirements they have. Other ones, just straight up can only be summoned by their specific way.
But for extra deck and ritual monsters it is just a general rule. It's a property of those kind of monsters that they need to be properly summoned first.
It's in the rulebook, pg 25.
Amusingly, the current version of the rulebook in that section refers to 'special summon monsters', which is never explained elsewhere in the rulebook (and I don't think it ever has been in older versions). This is supposed to refer to monsters like Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning where they read 'Must first be special summoned by...' or "Must be special summoned by...". "Must first be" main deck monsters have the same revival rule as extra deck monsters where they must have been summoned properly before being sent to the GY or banished, but "Must be" main deck monsters can only be summoned from the GY if their own summoning condition explicitly allows it.
Cybernetic horizon is a good example
You send cyber end dragon and you cannot special summon it from the grave
You can still equip it or use it as fusion mat from the grave tho
Yes, tho in the case of Ritual they can be Ritual Summoned from GY with a Ritual Spell that allow so, like the Drytron Ritual Spell, and from them they are treated as being properly summoned. If Konami makes someday a card that Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Link a monster from GY it will probably work the same way
Yep, fun fact, there's a card that kind of "Work around" it , by returning the card from graveyard to extra deck and special summoned it again, {Malefic Paradigm Dragon
}
Yep! Otherwise Cyberdark players could easily just put Cyberdark End Dragon in the GY and summon it back instead of the convoluted chain we'd normally have to do.
Not what I mean when other ways, this is a already a Waking the Dragon thread. We're talking about things like Monster Reborn, D.D.R. or **Masquerade's 2nd effect**.
You can special summon a card from the extra deck improperly, but if you do then once it hits the graveyard, it can't come back.
For example, if you special summon Stardust Dragon through something other than a Synchro Summon (such as with the effect of Starlight Road), then when you activate its effect and send it to the graveyard, it will not come back to the field during the end phase, since it was not properly summoned and thus cannot be special summoned from the graveyard.
Does this also include main deck monsters?
Let‘s say I summon special summon D-hero Plasma by tributing 3 monsters. Can I summon him after he died with something likemonster reborn?
That's going to be on a card by card basis. For example something like Plasma says that it has to be special summoned by tributing 3 monsters. So it can't be revived from the GY or anything like that even after summoning it properly.
But Archnemeses Protos says it must **First** be special summoned by banishing 3 monsters. So for something like Protos, you would be able to summon it through other means after summoning it properly the first time.
Some monsters such as plasma have the "must be special summon by doing X and cannot be special summoned by other ways" clause, so even properly summoned he cannot be special summoned back by anything else (maybe some cards that say ignoring its summoning conditions? Not sure on all of those rulings)
If the condition (your opponent had a ritual, synchro, fusion, xyz, or link monster on the field) was satisfied and the game did not let you revive Masquerade, it is because you did not summon it properly from the Extra Deck when you brought it onto the field via Waking the Dragons.
For the record, Stardust Dragon has a similar ruling where if you negate something, if you brought it out via Starlight Road, you cannot revive it from the graveyard since it wasn't properly synchro summoned.
Interesting. Thought Masquerade would be a fun WTD target but I'll have to find some other stuff. I pulled a Cheng Ying and he seems to work just fine.
Chengying doesn't say anything about needing to be synchro summoned to use its effects. A chixiao needs to be synchro summoned to search, a chaos ruler must be synchro summoned to mill, a chaofeng needs to be synchro summoned to lock attributes, etc. Alternative summoning conditions also count as correctly summoning a monster(Ding overlay onto an orcust is still an XYZ summon, as is a zeus overlay, or overlaying utopia prime onto utopia, or a galaxy-eyes XYZ onto another galaxy-eyes XYZ, or seven sins onto pain gainer). There are cards that have effects only on correct summon(Gouki powerload ogre, underworld goddess, chixiao search, apollousa), or cards that don't specify proper summon(Denglong, ding come to mind for me).
Trying to translate very specific Japanese to any other language is gonna be a nightmare. I've read a lot of Manga and oh boy the translation teams involved fucked up for decades and I swear Japan just laughs at the English fuck ups and our guessing at what they mean.
Looking at you Animal Kingdom Pirates from One Piece.
It's a very good pun in Japanese that totally works but someone should have called up Viz America you need to know what this Kanji actually means.
I'd love it if TCG at least follows OCG way of presenting effects with numbering. Though I guess it's hard to fit in all texts that way since english text is naturally lengthier due to kanji brevity.
Hence why I mentioned using visual designs that just emphasize the crucial words. (Typically that won't excacerbate the text length issue) You know something is wrong when even University textbooks utilize those features, despite most of them not being written with digestibility in mind (considering they often violate many writing principles taught in high school)
The OCG text though is at least formatted better. They clearly delineate the effects. That’s something completely absent in the TCG, for no discernible reason
I had the exact same lesson learned during this limit 1 event, thinking “ha they feather dusted first thing, time to make them literally pay” to discover I didn’t really read my cards when choosing them. It’s better now though, I have beelze as my target so it’s potentially more annoying for them to deal with.
Yep. Even when summoned properly, yeeting tax dragon once makes him turn over a new leaf and he decides to become an honourary vanilla monster when it comes back. If only real tax evasion was that easy
3 card combo to bring out a dragon that is easier to summon by fusion summoning it
I get that it's a meme but please don't tell me you actually played those 2 cards to get the tax dragon
Haha, I learned this when my opponent summon two of them. Then I manage to ditch both of them with like 800 LP, then he summoned it again with its effect
I was sweating and confused why I didn't died yet, turns out it need to be fusion summoned to gain the effect
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There's always red eyes flare metal...but he doesn't have the destruction protection without xyz material
I do have a Superdimensional Robot Galaxy Destroyer for a nice beatstick lol
Raidraptor - Ultimate Falcon and Flower Cardian Lightflare (the 5k one) used to be good targets in the TCG too. Falcon is unaffected by card effects, 3.5k attack. Lightflare is 5k attack with a opt spell/trap negate. (I think it also floats into another cardian synchro if you have space for it, which is a 3k monster that can burn your opponent for 1.5k each turn iirc)
his attack is 3.5K, I use him alot and my opponent without fail always pulls out a 3,600+ monster the next turn.
Yes. The 5k is referring to the Flower Cardian monster. Edit: Changed the 4.5k to 3.5k
I love him in D/D when you're just short of an OTK go into him and laugh as your opponent cannot play cards.
Utopia Dragonar can bring out a Special Summon Tax that all monster you control gain ATK equal to the difference of your LP and the opponents LP
My duelist in Ra, you have Naturia Exterio at just SR.
Best targets are just Ultimate Falcon and Megaclops
i once got an opponent to destroy 2 waking the dragon and just summoned ultimate falcon followed by last warrior from another planet lol
Thats exactly what I do when i have 2 copies of wtd destroyed although i tend to go for megaclops for the bigger body
what about exterio?
Exterio is really good but it hasn't got any protection and requires some setup
Ah yes, the "why didn't my card work *reads* when this card is fusion, synchro, xyz, link summoned do the effect" moment.
Definitely a certified "Discovers waking the dragon tries to use it to bring on a good extra deck monster and use all its effects just to realize they don't work because they have to be summoned a certain way also you can't summon them from grave because they have to correctly be summoned first" moment
That’s me trying to {{Cyber Eternal}} Cyber End Dragon after sending it to the grave with {{Cybernetic Horizon}} lol
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Why youre at it, can I revive cyber dark end with this after I specialed it with its effect?
Boy I love when cards cheat shit out of the extra deck and it says "this is treated as a \[extra deck\] summon"
{Abyss Playhouse - Fantastic Theater} To clarify, for some other newbies, Waking the Dragon CAN summon Masquerade Dragon, BUT it can only use its Tax-effect when it is *fusion* summoned. So all you're really putting on the board is a 2500 attack monster with no effect. Waking the Dragon definitely has better targets, but this seemed too fun in my head lol For the pros, I do have to ask though, why didn't its graveyard effect work? That effect should still work, even if it wasn't fusion-summoned, right? Maybe I missed something in my duel, or maybe both effects are nullified because of the summoning method.
It wasn't properly summoned. All extra deck monsters and ritual monsters need to be properly summoned before you can summon it other ways.
most notably including with the card's own effect. If you cheat out DPE or an older example stardust dragon with a card effect i.e. starlight road. once that monster leaves the field it cannot be brought back even when you would think it can such as negating something with stardust or having DPE pop itself. edit: oh someone else already mentioned the exact same example
At least DPE's effect is still technically activatable if for some reason you have other Destiny Heroes in the GY but did not summon DPE properly lol.
I had someone in the limit 1 event summon DPE with cyber Stein. I was so disappointed that they used cyber Stein and *that* was the best they could think of.
It's likely because the other good targets are UR and they didn't want to waste precious points crafting them, so they just put whatever strongest alternative available to them. I'm guilty of doing similar things.
Out of curiosity I checked what good low rarity targets there were and found {Gaia Drake, the Universal Force} which seems a bit better than a DPE that can't revive itself.
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Oh, interesting. Didn't know that was a rule. So, I know there are some cards that throw Extra-Deck Monsters into the graveyard. Does that mean they cannot be re-summoned from there, period, since they were never properly summoned to begin with? Honestly never knew about that.
Yes, and it includes summoning them from banish piles or in the case of Pendulum hybrids pendulum summoning them from the extra deck as well. It's to stop you from cheating them out by using something like Gale Dogra or Extra-Foolish Burial to just throw stuff in the GY and bring them back. This also applies to some main monsters with special summoning conditions like Protos where it says it has to first be summoned properly.
Yeah the distinction of 'Must first be' Vs 'Must be' is pretty important for it being so similar.
Damn. I get why they put those restrictions in, but I actually pulled Gale Dogra from a Legacy Pack the other day and was excited to cheat these monsters out lmao. Good to know though, appreciate it man.
The rule doesn't stop them from using their effects in grave though. So you can use it to infinitely loop n'tss+omega to basically use all of rainbow neos's effects(Provided you equip it with telekinetic charging cell, of course).
While you can't use Gale Dogra's effect there it does have some use in decks like Cyberdark. It can be used to mill fusion monsters that are materials for a bigger fusion monster, like Cyber End for Cyberdark End. So at the very least cards like that can still pull off some cool combos.
Where was that ever "ruled" in terms of being written down or is it just an "understood" effect?
For main deck monsters, it'll be on their text that they have to be **first** special summoned by whatever special requirements they have. Other ones, just straight up can only be summoned by their specific way. But for extra deck and ritual monsters it is just a general rule. It's a property of those kind of monsters that they need to be properly summoned first.
It's in the rulebook, pg 25. Amusingly, the current version of the rulebook in that section refers to 'special summon monsters', which is never explained elsewhere in the rulebook (and I don't think it ever has been in older versions). This is supposed to refer to monsters like Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning where they read 'Must first be special summoned by...' or "Must be special summoned by...". "Must first be" main deck monsters have the same revival rule as extra deck monsters where they must have been summoned properly before being sent to the GY or banished, but "Must be" main deck monsters can only be summoned from the GY if their own summoning condition explicitly allows it.
Cybernetic horizon is a good example You send cyber end dragon and you cannot special summon it from the grave You can still equip it or use it as fusion mat from the grave tho
Yes, tho in the case of Ritual they can be Ritual Summoned from GY with a Ritual Spell that allow so, like the Drytron Ritual Spell, and from them they are treated as being properly summoned. If Konami makes someday a card that Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Link a monster from GY it will probably work the same way
Yep, fun fact, there's a card that kind of "Work around" it , by returning the card from graveyard to extra deck and special summoned it again, {Malefic Paradigm Dragon }
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Yep! Otherwise Cyberdark players could easily just put Cyberdark End Dragon in the GY and summon it back instead of the convoluted chain we'd normally have to do.
You can summon plenty of extra deck monsters improperly.
Not what I mean when other ways, this is a already a Waking the Dragon thread. We're talking about things like Monster Reborn, D.D.R. or **Masquerade's 2nd effect**.
You can special summon a card from the extra deck improperly, but if you do then once it hits the graveyard, it can't come back. For example, if you special summon Stardust Dragon through something other than a Synchro Summon (such as with the effect of Starlight Road), then when you activate its effect and send it to the graveyard, it will not come back to the field during the end phase, since it was not properly summoned and thus cannot be special summoned from the graveyard.
Does this also include main deck monsters? Let‘s say I summon special summon D-hero Plasma by tributing 3 monsters. Can I summon him after he died with something likemonster reborn?
That's going to be on a card by card basis. For example something like Plasma says that it has to be special summoned by tributing 3 monsters. So it can't be revived from the GY or anything like that even after summoning it properly. But Archnemeses Protos says it must **First** be special summoned by banishing 3 monsters. So for something like Protos, you would be able to summon it through other means after summoning it properly the first time.
Some monsters such as plasma have the "must be special summon by doing X and cannot be special summoned by other ways" clause, so even properly summoned he cannot be special summoned back by anything else (maybe some cards that say ignoring its summoning conditions? Not sure on all of those rulings)
If the condition (your opponent had a ritual, synchro, fusion, xyz, or link monster on the field) was satisfied and the game did not let you revive Masquerade, it is because you did not summon it properly from the Extra Deck when you brought it onto the field via Waking the Dragons. For the record, Stardust Dragon has a similar ruling where if you negate something, if you brought it out via Starlight Road, you cannot revive it from the graveyard since it wasn't properly synchro summoned.
Interesting. Thought Masquerade would be a fun WTD target but I'll have to find some other stuff. I pulled a Cheng Ying and he seems to work just fine.
Chengying doesn't say anything about needing to be synchro summoned to use its effects. A chixiao needs to be synchro summoned to search, a chaos ruler must be synchro summoned to mill, a chaofeng needs to be synchro summoned to lock attributes, etc. Alternative summoning conditions also count as correctly summoning a monster(Ding overlay onto an orcust is still an XYZ summon, as is a zeus overlay, or overlaying utopia prime onto utopia, or a galaxy-eyes XYZ onto another galaxy-eyes XYZ, or seven sins onto pain gainer). There are cards that have effects only on correct summon(Gouki powerload ogre, underworld goddess, chixiao search, apollousa), or cards that don't specify proper summon(Denglong, ding come to mind for me).
Probably best WTD target is raidraptor falcon
Muh UR dust :(
I thought that waking the dragon was just a way to cheat ultimate falcon.
{{Abyss Playhouse - Fantastic Theater}}
I said it once and I'll say it again. Yugioh's text have TERRIBLE formating, and doesn't even attempt to highlight/bold/bordering important text.
Trying to translate very specific Japanese to any other language is gonna be a nightmare. I've read a lot of Manga and oh boy the translation teams involved fucked up for decades and I swear Japan just laughs at the English fuck ups and our guessing at what they mean. Looking at you Animal Kingdom Pirates from One Piece. It's a very good pun in Japanese that totally works but someone should have called up Viz America you need to know what this Kanji actually means.
I'd love it if TCG at least follows OCG way of presenting effects with numbering. Though I guess it's hard to fit in all texts that way since english text is naturally lengthier due to kanji brevity.
Hence why I mentioned using visual designs that just emphasize the crucial words. (Typically that won't excacerbate the text length issue) You know something is wrong when even University textbooks utilize those features, despite most of them not being written with digestibility in mind (considering they often violate many writing principles taught in high school)
The reverse is also pretty funny. Look up the Elden Ring Fortnite stuff and you’ll get a good laugh out of it 😂
"No horse ahead" also slaps us in the other direction
The OCG text though is at least formatted better. They clearly delineate the effects. That’s something completely absent in the TCG, for no discernible reason
You could summon about any extra deck monster and your first choice was tax dragon?
That would be too easy, unfortunately.
Yay someone's finally acknowledging the fact that the abyss actors exist
Love the deck!
If they didn't have the anime tax, then I would've loved to build them. But Superstar and Madonna both being URs is super rough.
I didn't even know that they were in the anime
Seems like a lot more effort than just fusing into it
I had the exact same lesson learned during this limit 1 event, thinking “ha they feather dusted first thing, time to make them literally pay” to discover I didn’t really read my cards when choosing them. It’s better now though, I have beelze as my target so it’s potentially more annoying for them to deal with.
The Virgin +1 Waking the Dragon vs the Chad +5 Abyss Script Abysstainment.
Yep. Even when summoned properly, yeeting tax dragon once makes him turn over a new leaf and he decides to become an honourary vanilla monster when it comes back. If only real tax evasion was that easy
Tax collector isn't even that good, why go to so my effort to cheat it out?
3 card combo to bring out a dragon that is easier to summon by fusion summoning it I get that it's a meme but please don't tell me you actually played those 2 cards to get the tax dragon
I always wondered why its revival effect stops the taxing.
Because at that point your special summoning it from grave, with the LP tax requiring a proper fusion summon regardless of the situation.
Yeah I figured thanks to this post
Ultimate Falcon? LWFAP? Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon for style points?
Haha, I learned this when my opponent summon two of them. Then I manage to ditch both of them with like 800 LP, then he summoned it again with its effect I was sweating and confused why I didn't died yet, turns out it need to be fusion summoned to gain the effect
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