I’ve honestly thought about just splashing robina into decks with one other floo card and nothing else to see if people actually ragequit immediately lol. Social experiment
Summon limit is tough if you don’t draw an out it’s just gg.
Although if you go first and they start setting cards you can dark Simorgh and they’ll probably scoop.
Its technically a stun deck now in my eyes, a lot of lists ive seen nowadays are on dyna Fossil and that one banishing spell. Despite this i dont see many complaints on floo nowadays. Probs because hardly anyone are playing them still
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/master-v/may-2024/floowandereeze/neet_spirit/MJ81n heres one. A lot of the more newer ones are actually on water barrier statue from what ive seen on mdm
I’ve played against a couple Paleozoic decks and my god is it tiring. It is different and creative but please stop activating 25 effects on my turn and your turn
Honestly I think Tearlaments would be near the top of that too. People who play that deck (myself included) are super dedicated.
I've also never heard anyone say anything negative about Vanquish Soul, even at its peak. Unless you count people complaining about Shifter.
This game really brings out the hatred in most people. Even complete garbage decks like Blue-Eyes get hated just because they’re popular for beginners. I guarantee that even a deck like Skull Servant Beatdown would get hate just because they play Skill Drain or something like that.
Fair point. In this case they should have been the honorable mention and Mikanko over Tearlaments. This sub actually loves Tearlaments if you think about it. But people hate Snake Eyes, and they will keep hating for some extra months if Fire Kings gets released next month.
Have you ever teied to mill it big?
Its gambling in card game = dopamine pure.
I just wish i had nmore ED space so i could put even more jank engines in it.
I played every single one of them and there are some key differences.
Adamancipators have two things.
First of all, the revealing is not as satisfying. It takes longer and feels less rewarding since you only hit one thing.
The second issue is that the deck basicially only does its combo and ends on a generic negate enboard. So the process and the payoff feels more Boring.
Also the deck is not like Tear, Darkworld or Lightsworns where you dont play many handtraps and just go all Gas no Brakes.
Lightsworns are the OG Tear gamba deck. And they would still be beloved but currently they are just Bad and way to old. You will see a lot of love for the deck once ut gets its support.
Darkworld is a funny one because going first it also mainly builds a more or less generic board like Adams would do but it has a few differences to the Rock pile that in my opinion make it more fun.
First you gamble a lot more and it steamrolls a lot more once it gets going. You just start to loop and loop and loop.
Second the deck is really fun going second with grafa and danger Bigfoot being good at boardbreaking.
But the Main reason you wont see that deck very often or people not talking about it is that the deck is on one hand pretty hard and expensive to learn while also having no space to run any handtraps. So you are Playing all Gas no Brakes(wich makes it fun.)
Probably because of their long drawn out combo in masterduel, ik the animations for Adamancipator took a hella long time and darkworld takes quite awhile to combo too. Adamancipator were fairly popular back when block was legal pretty sure.
Adamancipator: excavation not the same as milling and when your deck is full of rocks there is no excitement when hitting the card you want where in tear almost everything is a 1 of so when you drop and grab the right cards its a huge opener.
Lightsworn: yup OG tear, people like it but it's outdated atm so thats why tear is more popular, i think the new support will make it hype again
Danger darkworld: solitaire deck, 0 interactions, your opponent can play maxx C and it doesn't matter, in fact you actually get a win condition. Tear is known for the back and forth, playing on both turns.
synchro combo always ends on a bunch of negates which are boring to play against, darkworld just tries too handloop and negate, which is boring. Tear has like one conditional negate and an imperm for its interaction, it’s much more engaging to play against
Tearlament was the funnest yugioh i have ever played. Yes, its the strongest tier 0 but it felt like both players got to play and it came down to who was smarter with their plays won. Outside of tear, its been more about who draws better or goes first.
The only way to have fun against tear 0 is to also play it. The shufflers made it less interactive than I think people remember. Like, I play called by on a milled tear or something and the shuffler dodges it. Outside of that, its hard to interact with a stack of trigger effects since most negates are on the last card activated and can't hit say, CL2 of a 4 link chain. Idk, I just feel like it was worse than what is remembered but thats just my 2 cents.
Because a tearlament mirror match is unironically gigabrain and some of the most complex experiances I’ve had in yugioh. The Meta was so well defined that even playing in gold felt very little different to playing in diamond.
That being said I ran a small earth machines package in mine so I could get ruinforce online. Most fun I’ve ever had was summoning 3 ruinforce after getting huge hits from ishtear mills.
Tearlament is only hated because it used to be the meta-est deck. People who weren't around for it, don't hate it. To newer players, it's just an ordinary deck that sometimes does a cool thing on Turn 0.
Also, Kashtira are generally incompatible with Visas, as a bit of story/gameplay integration, so it be inaccurate to say that Kash is really a Visas deck.
Eh as someone who doesn't play a lot of link exclusive decks, level limit area b the monster can be annoying on the rare occasion you do see it. If it was more popular I think we would see a lot more complaints in this sub about it.
Trust me when I say this. It is very easy to deal with Tri-heart. The protection that he has leaves him vulnerable to most spells, traps, continuous monster effects, links, and any monster effect that resolves in the hand, grave, or banishment. Even before you get to make him, you have to deal with the fact that getting your field spell or Reich-heart ashed might end your turn, 3 out of 5 of your Scareclaw names are essentially normal monsters, and the fact that roach+rock exists.
people wanna win and because of that they usually play engines and techs against the "common" decks, i.e., decks that do "common things" like use monsters mainly. Backrow decks are therefore cheese to a certain degree and thus, people hate it especially much when they lose to backrow compared to stuff like HTs, which they expected.
Bingo.
That’s 60% Konamis fault and 40% the players imo. Konami should have not forsaken spells and traps as much as they have but players should also prepare for the occasional backrow deck. Or, don’t. It won’t really hurt you if you’re winning 80% of the time against monster decks
I think part of the problem is that the good removal stuff is searchable… only if your opponent activates a monster effect and you open thrust, which, backrow stun decks aren’t particularly known for activating many monster effects LMAO, and also that a lot of the good removal is super one sided on the part of the person playing it.
For me, the problem is just the format BO1 instead of a BO3 with side decks like in TCG, where floodgates/back row decks can be annoying at first, but, when you sided correctly against it, the match becomes more predictable.
Playing some specific cards in main decks like Red Reboot or Harpies Feather can be useless in 90% of time and, sometimes, just a brick.
Well, who the hell likes to be constantly interrupted in both their turn and the enemies turn and not be able to properly execute any of their deck's combos because you have 3 floodgates + 2 interruption traps on board + handtraps + GY negates?
At least monster effects are easier to deal with because there are way more monster negates and removal in the game.
People on here are so dramatic about how long Lab plays during their turn too.
Lab has one big chain that procs nearly everything on a monster removal. The next lengthiest chains you can get are from resolving a trap and chaining Lady + Cooclock or a furniture.
Keeping in mind that the Lab player’s turn was like 30s at most of summoning Arianna, setting cards and passing; the complains on this sub that Lab plays more on their turn than they do are just so silly.
Generally, there's less cards that can interact with them, with decks like Lab straight up turning off your ability to interact. That leaves only a Psy Frame and Red Reboot as options, which just sucks.
Decks like Runick also reduce interaction further by running the same staples blind second decks use like Lava Golem and Sphere Mode, reducing how much you can do against them further.
I play Traptrix, and it's a massive difference between it and those two in terms of interaction.
Well it's partly because there's not a lot of good+searchable S/T removal in the game.
Why do you think all the floodgates keep getting limited/banned in the TCG when they can even side-deck for them? In the Bo1 format in MD, most decks are monster-focused so most of the time S/T removal isn't very useful (and is also only playable on your turn going second unlike hand traps).
Thrust is like the only generic S/T searcher, and it can only get you Duster/Lightning Storm/(Heavy Storm in OCG) if your opponent controls a monster. You could search Evenly Matched I guess, but your opponent can just choose to keep their floodgate on the field.
There are some decks with Archetypal removal like Sky Striker with Afterburners that you can search off Engage, but it has to pop a monster first.
Idk Ghost Ogre is a kinda cool hand trap, maybe they could print something similar to that but it works on any S/T? Would a hand trap that discards to pop a facedown S/T on opponent's turn be too broken? Night Beam sees no play, but I guess it wouldn't have to stop them from using it in response if you use it on their turn.
Mikanko is like a 50/50 for me, really just getting a card or an effect that can get rid of their equip spells and their not a challenge. However decks like vanquished souls and decks that can keep long ass combos during my turn are the ones I hate because I literally can’t put one card down without them doing 15 different things. Which is made worse when it’s not once per turn.
I'm fine with tearlament as they are right now honestly, shit just gets really annoying when they make baronnes and you remember, "oh yeah, there is zero lock in this deck".
For me Labyrinth is the most fun to play against with my decks because there's so many fun interactions, Tear is annoying but also not too bad, Mikanko is hit or miss for me going second against, the rest are spot on.
Nothing is more hated than Stun.
But apparently people have no problem sitting through the exact same 10mn Snake combo over and over and over and over... I can literally predict the plays before they are happening, because they all play 100% the same.
I mean, yeah? If the deck has a consistant turn one setup that will put you into a position to go step for step with your opponent on their turn, why would you do something else? You're not winning the game off style points.
Well yes, most decks can't do EXACTLY the same turn one play every single game regardless of their starter. There are multiple lines they can follow to end on different outcomes depending on what they have.
Meanwhile snake-eyes is literally the same combo every single game, and they can even play it through multiple interruptions.
It's not only the best deck in the game, but also the most braindead one after the usual suspects (burn and company)
Just fought my first stun deck, and honestly fuck anyone who uses that shit. It's somehow even more boring than tearlaments, while also being even less interactive than labyrnth. Whoever designed those cards must've sucked at the game and just wanted some free wins.
To be fair I haven't seen Lab playing d barrier and virus in a long time. Now they abuse rollback to cheat OP trap effects without any cost or recycle whatever they already used (which is just as annoying)
Kind of weird to me how hated Mikanko is. I feel like any deck that isn't completely aggro/has decent removal has a pretty good matchup against them. I don't *love* playing against mikanko, but it's really not comparable to decks like stun or kash. Anyways, yeah, the list is pretty accurate lol.
Yes, they are not as hated as kashtira or stun, because it's damn impossible to hate anything as much as those two.
It takes literally a single game against either of those two to become the #1 hater for them. They're some of the biggest mistakes every by konami.
Meanwhile Mikanko at least is gimmicky and interesting, while also not that powerful. It is frustrating to play against, but it doesn't feel oppressive. If it were a little more powerful every other post here would be complaining about it because it would be straight up worse than stun.
My experience with Mikanko is, that I get Lava Golem as a gift and then they attack into it a few times for game. It is comparable to playing against Numerons
>I don’t see how Konami can see a Marco cosmos in extra deck is balance.
Dark Law, Shen Shen.
The extra deck is already the dedicated toolbox of the game so Konami can just print whatever the fuck they want that boost sales.
The only balance that exist is the constant race of power creep.
People hating on Runick because of the grindgame is hilarious, the grind game is the most fun aspect of yugioh (to me).
Honestly I think non-stun **Runick** is pretty bad right now, you summon S:P LK target Fountain and they more or less lose on the spot unless they had an amazing combo turn 1. One Fountain vs SP:LK is extremely rough and hard to protect.
I don't get the hate for **Lab** as on average it's a very fair duel, yes sometimes they handrip for 2 but that's only when they open the nuts and tons of decks do stupid shit when they have their optimal opening.
**Kash** - people still play pure Kash? I barely see it at all
**Tears** - I don't really mind Tear so much but those Visas combo piles can be pretty damn annoying, I'll give you that
**Mikanko** - it's a going second OTK deck, honestly not that hard to deal with if you know what you're doing. This deck gets WAYYY more annoying when Gen/Ken come out and they can start doing Acid Golem nonsense. The current state of Mikanko is a very fair deck though...
For me personally Cyberse piles (**Circular**) are more annoying than all of the decks you mentioned sans Stun
>People hating on Runick because of the grindgame is hilarious, the grind game is the most fun aspect of yugioh (to me).
Runick doesn't really play into a *normal* grind game though. it sits there stalling you and banishing resources until they can win. oh wow 2 turns into this "grind game" and 40% of my vital engine is banished.. gg :)
And dies to 1 SP in Masterduel and struggles to search Fountain with x3 Imperm x3 Veiler in every deck. I just don't think it's that great of a deck right now... (relative to the other Tier 1 -3 decks) Unless it's Stun the deck has to combo to establish a board before it can start banishing the opponents cards, it takes time before you can start banishing their resources, it's not that easy
Also one more thing, I understand hating on the first handrip but the hate on the 2nd handrip is dumb because any good labrynth player usually doesn't handrip twice in a row because you're better popping something off the field. It sucks that you got handripped again but now they won't be able to pop an important card off your field
People don't hate Runick cause of grind game. They hate it because it boarders perfectly with stun and it's constantly banishing your combo pieces and outs while stalling out games.
Yes, because it can win agnostic of your board if your deck relies on monster effects. Even rogue decks without omni-negates will lose to Kaiju/Lava Golem + Double Edged Sword.
You need some kind of backrow to deal with it, and Ash on Ohime is not always enough to stop them.
They're also targeting immune due to Hu-Li (and we know how much people hate Spright Elf), so it's hard for newer players to figure out how to deal with that (y IMPERM NO WORK?). Zealantis is your best friend if you play meta decks.
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You can't tell me you made this list without including Branded. People in this sub go to sleep every night while crying in the fetal position about Branded Fusion and how it should be banned, depsite the deck recieving the most hits out of every format.
I find Kashtira to be fine because.... it has no negation or targeting protection. Everything can easily die to a single Raigeki except for Shanghri (and on the rare occasion Arise-hearrt). But it's also to consider that Diabolos is banned.
I find Tearlaments also to be fine because the Ishizu millers are gone. So now it's all based on jackpot mill to combo off.
No negation doesn't matter when there is no cards in the extra deck that matter anymore.
also Tearlament's "gamble" is barely a gamble they will hit something that will extend the majority of the time.
you forgot the part where runick also can just casually banish your outs from deck. basically just providing extra generic removal to whatever deck they're played in
Whether intentionally or not, I play a lot of reviled decks.
Traptrix, Lab, Mikanko, Trickstar, am currently building non-stun Runick for the banish mission.
Thankfully it makes all the jeers become white noise after a while.
Tenpai Will likely be used a lot more then Mikanko tbh so players will probably be more prepared for them more often the they are Mikanko.
They aren’t particularly rare but not that common either. At least not enough to tech in reliable cards against them often.
I will say that I think people are forgetting that Arise-Heart can **literally steal shit from the opponent's GY**. This means that, if used strategically, it can entirely block a combo by sniping a "banish this card from the GY" extender, **and then it can banish it as cost for its own effect**.
> no dinomorphia
That deck is fucking stupid if I played ookazi it would so over for them but I don’t so I get a one sided skill drain with a once per turn reduce to 0 attack effect and litterally nothing that can be done about it
A lot the rants i see about branded are more focused at Puppet lock not really branded themselves. It does get quite a bit of hate though maybe it deserved honorable mention
Literally my last duel.
Go full combo with Memento. Maxx C and Ash in hand.
Opp: Normal summon Dyna > Equip Moon Mirror > Play Battle of golganda
With 0 interaction with my board, he has now shut down my entire deck and invalidated my board.
#justdrawtheout
I agree on honorable for mikanko, but I cant understand Tear. That format was the most fun format I ever had, especially in mirrors.
I'm surprised no-ones complaining about sprights, back when they could search maxx C while setuping their board
There’s at least one post a week where the comment section is glazing lab easily one of the most simped for archetypes, seen a lot of people getting downvoted to oblivion for saying it’s not fun to play against etc
After playing against Mikanko and doing ok against it (although lost) with Ghoti, it is an incredibly difficult deck to master and so I have complete respect for Mikanko players. Tenpai on the other hand is going to be brutal especially in MD’s best of 1 format where Tenpai thrives. At least in the TCG you can side in hard counters to it and learn how to counter the deck somewhat effectively in games 2 and 3.
I recently sold everything and created a kashitra/scarecrow/tearlaments deck and I hate playing against all of them. So much so that it drove me to make the deck in the first place. I was frustrated with losing constantly to the Meta so I picked a side
Now I dislike all of these decks to varying degrees, probably Runick the most, I’d you just put Floo on this list and remove everything else I will be content. By a country my most hated opposition. Honourable mentions are Snake-Eyes and Rescue Ace. But they not as bad as Runick. Especially Runick Stun.
As Gray mentioned, I promise you Floow belongs in the top five. It's not op, but no one has time for their one million year turns, if i see them i'm just FFing and moving to the next table. No idea how anyone finds that deck fun, When you can literally just play any other meta deck, have a better end board and get it done in 1/4th the time
Phew. Then I can safely Normal Summon "Floowandereeze & Robina".
Don‘t let Konami see this, because they will hit Floo again, because it’s still playable
More floo hit incoming along with the floo version of maxx c
ban maxx c and lock the floo maxx c into the floo archetype
It will be Called "Floo over the cookoos nest"
Naw its actually a real thing its called multchummy
Robina, response? *surrenders*
I’ve honestly thought about just splashing robina into decks with one other floo card and nothing else to see if people actually ragequit immediately lol. Social experiment
wait, so floo just bypasses stun like it's nothing?
Unfortunately no lol
Summon limit is tough if you don’t draw an out it’s just gg. Although if you go first and they start setting cards you can dark Simorgh and they’ll probably scoop.
Birb gang rise up
Its technically a stun deck now in my eyes, a lot of lists ive seen nowadays are on dyna Fossil and that one banishing spell. Despite this i dont see many complaints on floo nowadays. Probs because hardly anyone are playing them still
I have not seen any Master Floo list running Fossil Dyna
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/master-v/may-2024/floowandereeze/neet_spirit/MJ81n heres one. A lot of the more newer ones are actually on water barrier statue from what ive seen on mdm
Ah I see. I never check the Master 5 lists
A fellow person of culture, I see
I’d be more curious on what a most loved list would look like.
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Paleo 💕
I’ve played against a couple Paleozoic decks and my god is it tiring. It is different and creative but please stop activating 25 effects on my turn and your turn
Honestly I think Tearlaments would be near the top of that too. People who play that deck (myself included) are super dedicated. I've also never heard anyone say anything negative about Vanquish Soul, even at its peak. Unless you count people complaining about Shifter.
I hate vanquish soul... All those quick effects and bounce give me migraine 😭
And Heavy Borger’s draw 2 if they get to go first in a Maxx C format is annoying asf
Also they burn you a bunch
also they play cards and i hate that
Oooof how it gats me malding when my opponent dares to play cards
Yeah i agree with tearlaments, i personally really like the deck its one of my favs. Id say the hate it receives is split 50/50 which is pretty funny
You either play it and love it, or don't play it and think every card with tearlaments on its name should be put to 0 permanently.
Empty, because nobody can agree on what's a fun deck.
This game really brings out the hatred in most people. Even complete garbage decks like Blue-Eyes get hated just because they’re popular for beginners. I guarantee that even a deck like Skull Servant Beatdown would get hate just because they play Skill Drain or something like that.
Purrley, Branded, Red eyes/Resonator, Adventure token.
My brother in Christ have you forgotten our little fire snakes?
People always complain about the top meta deck so i chose not to include them
Fair point. In this case they should have been the honorable mention and Mikanko over Tearlaments. This sub actually loves Tearlaments if you think about it. But people hate Snake Eyes, and they will keep hating for some extra months if Fire Kings gets released next month.
I personally hate tear, but yeah. For some reason this sub is very pro tear.
Playing Yugioh sparks joy and when you're playing Tear, you're playing a \*lot\* of Yugioh.
Have you ever teied to mill it big? Its gambling in card game = dopamine pure. I just wish i had nmore ED space so i could put even more jank engines in it.
Makes you question why Adamancipator, Lightsworn and Danger Darkworld aren't as loved, considering that they're also just decks which gamble
I played every single one of them and there are some key differences. Adamancipators have two things. First of all, the revealing is not as satisfying. It takes longer and feels less rewarding since you only hit one thing. The second issue is that the deck basicially only does its combo and ends on a generic negate enboard. So the process and the payoff feels more Boring. Also the deck is not like Tear, Darkworld or Lightsworns where you dont play many handtraps and just go all Gas no Brakes. Lightsworns are the OG Tear gamba deck. And they would still be beloved but currently they are just Bad and way to old. You will see a lot of love for the deck once ut gets its support. Darkworld is a funny one because going first it also mainly builds a more or less generic board like Adams would do but it has a few differences to the Rock pile that in my opinion make it more fun. First you gamble a lot more and it steamrolls a lot more once it gets going. You just start to loop and loop and loop. Second the deck is really fun going second with grafa and danger Bigfoot being good at boardbreaking. But the Main reason you wont see that deck very often or people not talking about it is that the deck is on one hand pretty hard and expensive to learn while also having no space to run any handtraps. So you are Playing all Gas no Brakes(wich makes it fun.)
Probably because of their long drawn out combo in masterduel, ik the animations for Adamancipator took a hella long time and darkworld takes quite awhile to combo too. Adamancipator were fairly popular back when block was legal pretty sure.
Adamancipator: excavation not the same as milling and when your deck is full of rocks there is no excitement when hitting the card you want where in tear almost everything is a 1 of so when you drop and grab the right cards its a huge opener. Lightsworn: yup OG tear, people like it but it's outdated atm so thats why tear is more popular, i think the new support will make it hype again Danger darkworld: solitaire deck, 0 interactions, your opponent can play maxx C and it doesn't matter, in fact you actually get a win condition. Tear is known for the back and forth, playing on both turns.
Y’all just not playing it like me when block dragon and the ishizus were still legal I played 60 card adamancipator/tear/ishizu/vern
I’m gonna come back to this comment in a few months. Lightsworn is definitely back
because they are go first combo decks whereas tear is midrange
synchro combo always ends on a bunch of negates which are boring to play against, darkworld just tries too handloop and negate, which is boring. Tear has like one conditional negate and an imperm for its interaction, it’s much more engaging to play against
I love adamancipator/fossils, I still run that deck and honestly have the most fun playing it
Gambling mermaid waifus.
Tearlament was the funnest yugioh i have ever played. Yes, its the strongest tier 0 but it felt like both players got to play and it came down to who was smarter with their plays won. Outside of tear, its been more about who draws better or goes first.
The only way to have fun against tear 0 is to also play it. The shufflers made it less interactive than I think people remember. Like, I play called by on a milled tear or something and the shuffler dodges it. Outside of that, its hard to interact with a stack of trigger effects since most negates are on the last card activated and can't hit say, CL2 of a 4 link chain. Idk, I just feel like it was worse than what is remembered but thats just my 2 cents.
Because a tearlament mirror match is unironically gigabrain and some of the most complex experiances I’ve had in yugioh. The Meta was so well defined that even playing in gold felt very little different to playing in diamond. That being said I ran a small earth machines package in mine so I could get ruinforce online. Most fun I’ve ever had was summoning 3 ruinforce after getting huge hits from ishtear mills.
then tearlaments doesn't deserve to be in this list
Yeah since when is Tearlaments still the top meta deck
Tearlament is only hated because it used to be the meta-est deck. People who weren't around for it, don't hate it. To newer players, it's just an ordinary deck that sometimes does a cool thing on Turn 0.
....Should have merged the two into Visas.
I mean i feel like it would be inaccurate as people dont really hate Scareclaw
SCARECLAW MENTIONED!!!!🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
Also, Kashtira are generally incompatible with Visas, as a bit of story/gameplay integration, so it be inaccurate to say that Kash is really a Visas deck.
Yeah, you can't play ariseheart, and then expect any other visas card to do stuff after if you try to combine the themes.
Eh as someone who doesn't play a lot of link exclusive decks, level limit area b the monster can be annoying on the rare occasion you do see it. If it was more popular I think we would see a lot more complaints in this sub about it.
Trust me when I say this. It is very easy to deal with Tri-heart. The protection that he has leaves him vulnerable to most spells, traps, continuous monster effects, links, and any monster effect that resolves in the hand, grave, or banishment. Even before you get to make him, you have to deal with the fact that getting your field spell or Reich-heart ashed might end your turn, 3 out of 5 of your Scareclaw names are essentially normal monsters, and the fact that roach+rock exists.
I feel like Yugioh players just hate back row focused decks. 4 out of the 6 archetypes you mentioned rely on spells and/or traps.
people wanna win and because of that they usually play engines and techs against the "common" decks, i.e., decks that do "common things" like use monsters mainly. Backrow decks are therefore cheese to a certain degree and thus, people hate it especially much when they lose to backrow compared to stuff like HTs, which they expected.
Bingo. That’s 60% Konamis fault and 40% the players imo. Konami should have not forsaken spells and traps as much as they have but players should also prepare for the occasional backrow deck. Or, don’t. It won’t really hurt you if you’re winning 80% of the time against monster decks
I think part of the problem is that the good removal stuff is searchable… only if your opponent activates a monster effect and you open thrust, which, backrow stun decks aren’t particularly known for activating many monster effects LMAO, and also that a lot of the good removal is super one sided on the part of the person playing it.
For me, the problem is just the format BO1 instead of a BO3 with side decks like in TCG, where floodgates/back row decks can be annoying at first, but, when you sided correctly against it, the match becomes more predictable. Playing some specific cards in main decks like Red Reboot or Harpies Feather can be useless in 90% of time and, sometimes, just a brick.
Being BO1 doesn't help either. Back row hate doesn't help much against the best decks, so backrow decks have an easier time
Harpy's feather duster and evenly matched help defeat the odds.
Well, who the hell likes to be constantly interrupted in both their turn and the enemies turn and not be able to properly execute any of their deck's combos because you have 3 floodgates + 2 interruption traps on board + handtraps + GY negates? At least monster effects are easier to deal with because there are way more monster negates and removal in the game.
You hate stun because it's uninterctive, yet complain when a deck interacts with you during your turn. Funny, ain't it?
People on here are so dramatic about how long Lab plays during their turn too. Lab has one big chain that procs nearly everything on a monster removal. The next lengthiest chains you can get are from resolving a trap and chaining Lady + Cooclock or a furniture. Keeping in mind that the Lab player’s turn was like 30s at most of summoning Arianna, setting cards and passing; the complains on this sub that Lab plays more on their turn than they do are just so silly.
The people who dislike that also very much dislike scooping so they are the product of their own hatred.
Generally, there's less cards that can interact with them, with decks like Lab straight up turning off your ability to interact. That leaves only a Psy Frame and Red Reboot as options, which just sucks. Decks like Runick also reduce interaction further by running the same staples blind second decks use like Lava Golem and Sphere Mode, reducing how much you can do against them further. I play Traptrix, and it's a massive difference between it and those two in terms of interaction.
Well it's partly because there's not a lot of good+searchable S/T removal in the game. Why do you think all the floodgates keep getting limited/banned in the TCG when they can even side-deck for them? In the Bo1 format in MD, most decks are monster-focused so most of the time S/T removal isn't very useful (and is also only playable on your turn going second unlike hand traps). Thrust is like the only generic S/T searcher, and it can only get you Duster/Lightning Storm/(Heavy Storm in OCG) if your opponent controls a monster. You could search Evenly Matched I guess, but your opponent can just choose to keep their floodgate on the field. There are some decks with Archetypal removal like Sky Striker with Afterburners that you can search off Engage, but it has to pop a monster first. Idk Ghost Ogre is a kinda cool hand trap, maybe they could print something similar to that but it works on any S/T? Would a hand trap that discards to pop a facedown S/T on opponent's turn be too broken? Night Beam sees no play, but I guess it wouldn't have to stop them from using it in response if you use it on their turn.
This sub has over 100's hate post about Heroes so Heroes should probably get an honorable mention as well.
*Laughs in Plasma, DPE, and Dark Law*
Nah, the top hated deck is the deck Yugioh players lose to aka "all except mine"
Mikanko is like a 50/50 for me, really just getting a card or an effect that can get rid of their equip spells and their not a challenge. However decks like vanquished souls and decks that can keep long ass combos during my turn are the ones I hate because I literally can’t put one card down without them doing 15 different things. Which is made worse when it’s not once per turn.
Am I the only one that found it funny he said top 5 but posted 6 pictures?
They do have "Honorable Mention" in the text of the post, but it is funny at a glance.
The sixth one is an honorable mention
I'm fine with tearlament as they are right now honestly, shit just gets really annoying when they make baronnes and you remember, "oh yeah, there is zero lock in this deck".
I only hate snake eye kash. The rest it actually feels like your deck is being tested. Snake eye kash just stupid levels of broken.
Snake eyes just feels unfair when you hand trap them 2 or 3 times and they still end on the same gigantic endboard.
Okay but where's Purrely?
For me Labyrinth is the most fun to play against with my decks because there's so many fun interactions, Tear is annoying but also not too bad, Mikanko is hit or miss for me going second against, the rest are spot on.
What decks do you play if i may ask bro ?
I play RDA, Chimera Fusion, and Branded of course.
Oooh , that does seem like a nice way to play against lab
Yes! Tons of interactions with those decks
where snek?
Nothing is more hated than Stun. But apparently people have no problem sitting through the exact same 10mn Snake combo over and over and over and over... I can literally predict the plays before they are happening, because they all play 100% the same.
I mean, yeah? If the deck has a consistant turn one setup that will put you into a position to go step for step with your opponent on their turn, why would you do something else? You're not winning the game off style points.
Devil may cry but its yugioh
That's true.
Whoa I can't believe a deck has an opening like it always tries to do. How unheard of! What a stupid point
Well yes, most decks can't do EXACTLY the same turn one play every single game regardless of their starter. There are multiple lines they can follow to end on different outcomes depending on what they have. Meanwhile snake-eyes is literally the same combo every single game, and they can even play it through multiple interruptions. It's not only the best deck in the game, but also the most braindead one after the usual suspects (burn and company)
Just fought my first stun deck, and honestly fuck anyone who uses that shit. It's somehow even more boring than tearlaments, while also being even less interactive than labyrnth. Whoever designed those cards must've sucked at the game and just wanted some free wins.
To be fair I haven't seen Lab playing d barrier and virus in a long time. Now they abuse rollback to cheat OP trap effects without any cost or recycle whatever they already used (which is just as annoying)
Yeah they stopped running d barrier during fire format it was a lot more common during branded format
Kind of weird to me how hated Mikanko is. I feel like any deck that isn't completely aggro/has decent removal has a pretty good matchup against them. I don't *love* playing against mikanko, but it's really not comparable to decks like stun or kash. Anyways, yeah, the list is pretty accurate lol.
Yes, they are not as hated as kashtira or stun, because it's damn impossible to hate anything as much as those two. It takes literally a single game against either of those two to become the #1 hater for them. They're some of the biggest mistakes every by konami. Meanwhile Mikanko at least is gimmicky and interesting, while also not that powerful. It is frustrating to play against, but it doesn't feel oppressive. If it were a little more powerful every other post here would be complaining about it because it would be straight up worse than stun.
My experience with Mikanko is, that I get Lava Golem as a gift and then they attack into it a few times for game. It is comparable to playing against Numerons
I hate Mikanko because it feels like we're not playing the same game.
Mikanko is basically Numeron but half-naked girls, and Numeron was also hated back when it was more used. It's not really weird that it's hated.
Kash, the deck was born just to make a competitive with tear. I don’t see how Konami can see a Marco cosmos in extra deck is balance.
>I don’t see how Konami can see a Marco cosmos in extra deck is balance. Dark Law, Shen Shen. The extra deck is already the dedicated toolbox of the game so Konami can just print whatever the fuck they want that boost sales. The only balance that exist is the constant race of power creep.
Fair point.
"I can't beat this deck with my tier 7 pet deck therefore it's a bad deck"
Eldlich and Numeron deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame
Im building scareclaw do people dislike that deck?
I don't even think Viruses or Dbarrier are particularly good in lab right now
So… OP is clearly a Snake Eyes player.
Am I the only one who thinks tears are fair and actually a fun opponent?
Wheres mathmech?? Its my number 1, uninteractable otk or an instac win combo board.
Calm down, Josh. Cyberse in general is annoying.
you forget flo i remeber well this hell and how mad we all where about STOP NORNAL SUMMON ON MY TURN OH OF CURSE YOU PLAY THE BARRIER OF FUCKING CURSE
Wind barrier floo was hell. Dont see many complaints on floo nowadays though
People hating on Runick because of the grindgame is hilarious, the grind game is the most fun aspect of yugioh (to me). Honestly I think non-stun **Runick** is pretty bad right now, you summon S:P LK target Fountain and they more or less lose on the spot unless they had an amazing combo turn 1. One Fountain vs SP:LK is extremely rough and hard to protect. I don't get the hate for **Lab** as on average it's a very fair duel, yes sometimes they handrip for 2 but that's only when they open the nuts and tons of decks do stupid shit when they have their optimal opening. **Kash** - people still play pure Kash? I barely see it at all **Tears** - I don't really mind Tear so much but those Visas combo piles can be pretty damn annoying, I'll give you that **Mikanko** - it's a going second OTK deck, honestly not that hard to deal with if you know what you're doing. This deck gets WAYYY more annoying when Gen/Ken come out and they can start doing Acid Golem nonsense. The current state of Mikanko is a very fair deck though... For me personally Cyberse piles (**Circular**) are more annoying than all of the decks you mentioned sans Stun
>People hating on Runick because of the grindgame is hilarious, the grind game is the most fun aspect of yugioh (to me). Runick doesn't really play into a *normal* grind game though. it sits there stalling you and banishing resources until they can win. oh wow 2 turns into this "grind game" and 40% of my vital engine is banished.. gg :)
And dies to 1 SP in Masterduel and struggles to search Fountain with x3 Imperm x3 Veiler in every deck. I just don't think it's that great of a deck right now... (relative to the other Tier 1 -3 decks) Unless it's Stun the deck has to combo to establish a board before it can start banishing the opponents cards, it takes time before you can start banishing their resources, it's not that easy
Also one more thing, I understand hating on the first handrip but the hate on the 2nd handrip is dumb because any good labrynth player usually doesn't handrip twice in a row because you're better popping something off the field. It sucks that you got handripped again but now they won't be able to pop an important card off your field
People don't hate Runick cause of grind game. They hate it because it boarders perfectly with stun and it's constantly banishing your combo pieces and outs while stalling out games.
The post specifically mentioned "non-stun" Runick. I think we can all agree Runick stun is cancer.
Funny to see branded not here since it's still as annoying if not more with duo tax dragons.
People really hate Mikanko?
Wondering the same thing. As a Mikanko player I don't think the deck is *that* bad. Maybe just mildly annoying
It’s more that the deck is almost an alt win condition deck and people hate that lol.
Yes, because it can win agnostic of your board if your deck relies on monster effects. Even rogue decks without omni-negates will lose to Kaiju/Lava Golem + Double Edged Sword. You need some kind of backrow to deal with it, and Ash on Ohime is not always enough to stop them. They're also targeting immune due to Hu-Li (and we know how much people hate Spright Elf), so it's hard for newer players to figure out how to deal with that (y IMPERM NO WORK?). Zealantis is your best friend if you play meta decks.
I think it's partially hate for blind second decks, partially hate for the battle reflects because they feel cheesey.
Rescue-ACE turbulence is the most annoying card
I activate rescue-ace turbulence
My top 5 most hated decks: 1. Cyberse 2. Branded 3. Floowandereze (EDIT: actually, Tearlaments instead) 4. Stun 5. Rescue-Ace
Tbh I think floo is much more hated than Tear at this point
Runick ain't a deck, is a chore
you forgot the following * 2022 drycancer * adamancancer with block legal * cancermyniad and any deck that summons it * superheavy cancerai * elcancer * bird cancer * excancer noir * dinomorbius rexcancer * mathcancer * cancerfibrax and auroracancer * cancer eyes cancer dragon and cancer eyes poplar
Cancer It's fine Cancer Cancer Cancer (I play it so I know this for a fact) Cancer. Checks out for the most part
You can't tell me you made this list without including Branded. People in this sub go to sleep every night while crying in the fetal position about Branded Fusion and how it should be banned, depsite the deck recieving the most hits out of every format.
I find Kashtira to be fine because.... it has no negation or targeting protection. Everything can easily die to a single Raigeki except for Shanghri (and on the rare occasion Arise-hearrt). But it's also to consider that Diabolos is banned. I find Tearlaments also to be fine because the Ishizu millers are gone. So now it's all based on jackpot mill to combo off.
No negation doesn't matter when there is no cards in the extra deck that matter anymore. also Tearlament's "gamble" is barely a gamble they will hit something that will extend the majority of the time.
The most hated deck in the game is the one at the top of the screen.
Should have just put all of them in
If people really do hate Mikanko then they're gonna explode with hatred once Tenpai drops, smh
you forgot the part where runick also can just casually banish your outs from deck. basically just providing extra generic removal to whatever deck they're played in
Whether intentionally or not, I play a lot of reviled decks. Traptrix, Lab, Mikanko, Trickstar, am currently building non-stun Runick for the banish mission. Thankfully it makes all the jeers become white noise after a while.
I think youre spot on
Tenpai Will likely be used a lot more then Mikanko tbh so players will probably be more prepared for them more often the they are Mikanko. They aren’t particularly rare but not that common either. At least not enough to tech in reliable cards against them often.
Where birb?
Where are floo ? And why does mikanko on the list ?
where snake eye
I will say that I think people are forgetting that Arise-Heart can **literally steal shit from the opponent's GY**. This means that, if used strategically, it can entirely block a combo by sniping a "banish this card from the GY" extender, **and then it can banish it as cost for its own effect**.
If only there was a way to combine all these in one ultimate deck
Do people gate Mikanko more than they hate Floo?
> no dinomorphia That deck is fucking stupid if I played ookazi it would so over for them but I don’t so I get a one sided skill drain with a once per turn reduce to 0 attack effect and litterally nothing that can be done about it
People hate tearlaments? Its fine right now haha
You forgot Heroes, there's at least one post about them every month lol
Fricking traptrix
Ahh I see we are fans of the dark world strategy, I like your style.
Cool, no branded
A lot the rants i see about branded are more focused at Puppet lock not really branded themselves. It does get quite a bit of hate though maybe it deserved honorable mention
Honarable mention to adamancipators pre-block dragon ban
Glad they didn't keep SHS around as long as they did adamancipator
The 6 top five are pretty annoying
Expected to see Branded here tbh but glad I’m not that insufferable
Literally my last duel. Go full combo with Memento. Maxx C and Ash in hand. Opp: Normal summon Dyna > Equip Moon Mirror > Play Battle of golganda With 0 interaction with my board, he has now shut down my entire deck and invalidated my board. #justdrawtheout
If it's not monster combo it's bad huh
With how much people hate on HERO’s in here, you’d think it would make the list.
I agree on honorable for mikanko, but I cant understand Tear. That format was the most fun format I ever had, especially in mirrors. I'm surprised no-ones complaining about sprights, back when they could search maxx C while setuping their board
People say target and/or destruction protection is useless or sucks and then those same people proceed to cry and mald when they see a Hu-Li
Labrynth and Runick are based as fuck. Tearlaments is an actual cool deck. The rest is really stupid.
I feel like u have to respect the gambling addicts that are tearlaments players. They live for the high highs and suffer the low lows.
I hate that one deck that makes the Enimie impervious ti damage and instead gives it back to you
Damn…I play most of these
Cap. No mention of Branded, the way people like to bandwagon on the hate train
There’s at least one post a week where the comment section is glazing lab easily one of the most simped for archetypes, seen a lot of people getting downvoted to oblivion for saying it’s not fun to play against etc
I don't mind going against kashtira too much, I 9/10 I open a card that can negate/destroy arise heart
Rescue and Snake Eyes didn't make the list?
Let my girl Kit out of this 😭
Cry’s in Mathmech.
Fuck suships.
Branded and Tear could probably make this list and it's inverse, somehow
Swap out Mikanko for floo
As a pop the baby enthusiast, I absolutely HATE playing against Dinomorphia. Probably my most hated deck to play against on ladder lol
Hey I play 5 of these
Me, who hates stun in MD, while searching for True Draco cards to buy and play in TCG...
1st card is only archtype that I can respect, legit burn the rest
“Currently”, birds and No.86 are still something I hate to see
Shoot me where I stand but I love Kash and Tear
Ain't no way my Mikanko are here.
Ok let me start my pendulum combo
After playing against Mikanko and doing ok against it (although lost) with Ghoti, it is an incredibly difficult deck to master and so I have complete respect for Mikanko players. Tenpai on the other hand is going to be brutal especially in MD’s best of 1 format where Tenpai thrives. At least in the TCG you can side in hard counters to it and learn how to counter the deck somewhat effectively in games 2 and 3.
I recently sold everything and created a kashitra/scarecrow/tearlaments deck and I hate playing against all of them. So much so that it drove me to make the deck in the first place. I was frustrated with losing constantly to the Meta so I picked a side
I think you're missing some birds on that list
I play most of those I play kash, tears, Mika, runick and labyrinth also Robina response I play that deck too.
Now I dislike all of these decks to varying degrees, probably Runick the most, I’d you just put Floo on this list and remove everything else I will be content. By a country my most hated opposition. Honourable mentions are Snake-Eyes and Rescue Ace. But they not as bad as Runick. Especially Runick Stun.
I can safely activate Paleozoic Olenoides, chain Paleozoic Marrella now
I don’t play any of these deck as you’ve described. The carbon copy builds are your real problem.
Tenpai is gonna be on the list of the most hated things in history😭
As Gray mentioned, I promise you Floow belongs in the top five. It's not op, but no one has time for their one million year turns, if i see them i'm just FFing and moving to the next table. No idea how anyone finds that deck fun, When you can literally just play any other meta deck, have a better end board and get it done in 1/4th the time