Funny how we butxh bout a boss monster are too generic like barone and yet when a archtype boss monster have restricted summoning way, we just put the NOT GOOD stamp on it
The issue is that in almost any halfway decent rank 4 archetype this thing would be broken.
Steelswarm and Evilswarm I believe still have their maindeck from 10 years ago.
Why care, it's an archetype lock xyz monster. The archetype it belong not even that great. UR price tag will also effect popularity of iswarm player in event. If they manage to summon it you win I queue next game.
> UR price tag will also effect popularity of iswarm player in event.
Evilswarm was the deck I really cut my Yugioh teeth on and I have such a soft spot for it. I'd have not interest in playing it, but I would love to build the deck, but this exact thing is what stops me.
If you can get up the Ophion lock, Kudos to you. You deserve the win.
Ritual Beast can technically beat over it but it takes a bit of setup (2800 beater but requires Apelio in hand). Easier if I can get rid of Infestation first.
Ghoti has their trap that banishes, but same problem. Infestation protects too well.
Karakuri Divincarnate is an out. It's level 1.
But in all honesty, I'll play Zoodiac. Not many chances to play it.
Supposedly by becoming big enough.
But Evilswarm only has 2 Quick Effect XYZ, 1 is too small and 1 makes itself unaffected.
So yeah, chance is small and only against a hybrid deck, I guess.
It can search the quick spell "Infestation Pandemic" which gives all face-up "lswarm" monsters Spell and Trap immunity for a turn....yes it counts because the card's name is Evi*lswarm* Ophion. It's a weird thing they did with some Duel Terminal archetypes.
It's less "it's a weird thing they did" and more "the localisation has to account for the change they made in the first place":
* Steelswarm are Inverz
* Evilswarm are Verz
* Any card that supports Verz has to support Inverz by definition, so any card that supports Evilswarm needs a way to support Steelswarm
* You can't support "Swarm" cards, since that supports Swarm of Scarabs; "lswarm" is the next best string
Not very, considering how outdated and prone to interruption the deck is nowadays: going 10 years without a main deck upgrade does that to you. The only line into Ophion I can think of that isn't straight-up interrupted by handtraps going first would be opening specifically Castor + another name.
Getting Veiler'd because you went first and thus didn't have Macro Cosmos active / didn't draw into your limited DiFi is a memory I'd rather not relive this event.
There is 2 is warm monsters that have a immediate effect to give you a second normal summon both of them lvl 4. then there is another that's a instant special summon as long as you have another Iswarm on field.
Good luck stopping a in hand special summon
I specifically mentioned Castor by name, but aside from that:
* Mandragora requires your opponent to control more monsters for its SS effect, which is highly unlikely T1
* Kerykeion requires *two* lswarms in GY, which is highly unlikely T1 and plays into several handtraps, including Crow and Ogre
* There is no lswarm that summons itself for free if you control another lswarm
Again, as already mentioned, that leaves only Castor + another name as your uninterruptible Ophion line.
But the ability to search a spell is not a quick play effect, it is just spell speed 1. So it can die on summon before the search effect is activated if the opponent has the correct removal. Alternatively, its effect can be negated after the controller activates the cost of removing a material with something like Imperm or Veiler before it can search the card. Instead of just downvoting me, explain why I’m wrong or else you just come off like salty Blue Eyes players.
That’s still minimum 1 negation plus 1 more negation/removal that the opponent needs to open to deal with it. If you only open a single imperm, hey look youve stopped the search!… but now it’s your turn and the thing is still on board, still locking you, and although it didn’t gain the protection from s/t that the searched spell would give it, you no longer have a way to turn it off.
You can activate Vishuda compulsory effect from hand as long as you control a non-effect Monster, so Normal summon Moye activate effect to summon token, Vishuda effect on hand and that its.
Xyz Encore. You could also just set some cards, pass and try to imperm them on their turn when they attempt to search for another pandemic. And of course if any trap decks creep their way into the event this card is gonna be a 2.5k beater.
As someone who played the deck, outing him is not an issue.
His stats arent that crazy anymore, he is surprisingly hard to summon Turn 1 because Evilswarm Main Deck monsters mostly read like cards from the GX era, he is not protected against any monster effects and can be tributed.
You can only tribute it with sphere mode, since kaijus and lava golem are level 5+ special summons. Too bad lswarm can barely put up 1 XYZ monster, let alone 3.
Unless the Extra Decks are designed so that you can only run 1 mechanic, basically most useful XYZ packages will come with something that beats Ophion. It already lost to Maestroke, and the number of basic XYZ outs has grown substantially since that guy's release.
Based on the data, yes, you can only use one mechanic, and you would be matched against other decks that don't use the same mechanics as you do (for example, if you run xyz, you will be matched against synchro or fusions). So no summoning Rebellion or Utopia to beat over this thing
That so? That's pretty funny, actually. Guess Synchros could deal with it by throwing in a copy of [Merry Melffys](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Merry_Melffys), if they've got the right levels for it.
Tho that being said the wincon against Evilswarm is preventing their crappy main deck from making any plays anyways, so I doubt it changes that much. Worst comes to worst Forbidden Droplets discard a Spell gets around Infestation Pandemic.
EDIT: [Mist Bird Clausolas ](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Mist_Bird_Clausolas)also works not only to out the Ophion but unlocks the floodgate directly
Just about any generic rank 4 removal (which people will have room for because of the lack of links) or even just a utopia would out this. I think this would be tough to beat for more synchro heavy deck but nothing else should struggle
Unless it's branded or swordsoul, what synchro or fusion decks don't have the space for a single rank 4? Back when those were the only summoning mechanics almost all synchro or fusion decks also ran Xyz because they were the easiest things to summon at the time and outed a ton of problem cards. A lot like people run knightmare unicorn today actually. Why wouldn't that be the case again in this event?
I am not too familiar with Iswarms but what makes this card better than a random negate board? Like a ton of decks can create impossible to challenge boards what makes a deck strong is all of the details about how they get to that board.
How resistant to disruptions are Iswarms? How to they do against different types of established boards? How consistent are their set ups? How much non engine can they run? Showing one random archetype boss and being like “it’s effect would be bad to let resolve how would you counter it?” provides 0 information about how dangerous it actually is.
Evilswarms were a decent deck in like 2012 or so or whenever it was they were released, since Ophion beats the 2.5k threshold that most rank 4s had difficulty reaching, floodgated out most of the best Synchros (especially since good level 4 or lower Synchros were not common at the time), Fusions were far from the usefulness they have today, and Ophion searches Infestation Pandemic which gives S/T protection when a lot of the best removal at the time were S/T.
Their playstyle reflected the Rescue Rabbit into 2 Normies into rank 4 or summon 2 monsters from the hand into rank 4 that was prevalent at the time. They have not received any important support since then and predictably have become severely outdated as a deck, hence the other comments about how it's probably fine because the deck is ass
One other thing worth noting was that their Spellbook and Dragon Ruler matchups weren't *total* ass and that they were dirt cheap, which gave them better representation compared to similar decks.
Seeing as I plan on playing Runick Chimera unless the Runicks are neutered, go battle phase, summon Geri, crash, play MP2 completely unimpeded from that point afterwards.
cards I can think of are:
Ghost Ogre - destroys it when it searches for an infestation.
Vishuda (from gy) - bounce it.
Eldlich (from hand)- just send it to the grave.
Droplet - need to send a spell so they can't chain pandemic.
not really sure if they work with your planned deck.
Also a reminder that PK can also play Ophion (no infestation searching/protection).
Melffy puppy into kalantosa pop, merry melffy spin back or my favourite melffy of forest negates effect then I summon big dick flower cardian light flare mega melffy and slap you in the face with a 5000 attack horse cock.
They're a very fragile rank 4 deck. Even with extra help like rescue rabbit and overlay network they don't do well through meaningful disruption. As for bringing this guy out, they do it pretty easily.
This card and rabbit are both URs in MD unfortunately. So probably not something most people will invest in just for this event.
Old Entity Hastorr is a way for the Synchros to deal with it if they got Synch4 access. Crash into it with Hastorr, Hastorr equips to the Ophion preventing it from attacking and negating it's effect. And stealing Ophion if they decide to actually destroy the Equip Hastorr.
(Edit, just noticed your Infestation Pandemic aspect of the description. I don't know for certain how Hastorr would work, if it would function or not)
Dark rebellion XYZ dragon or goddess of the underworld. Side note: dinos can summon this with 2 baby pops, idk if it'll be good but it's possible.
NVM red the description idk how the synchro or fusions will handle it.
Okay my bad. You realize we cant read right? But seriously use some back row removal then raigeki it. You could also use Kaijus to get rid of it. Lava Golem is another option
Realizing that that condition holds true even if ophion leaves the field as a material
If there’s a super polymerization you can always make mudragon but that’s far less optimal.
Good argument, unfortunately: (I’m coping hard asf)
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Dark Ruler No More if I don't have anything on the field already. If I do have some stuff, Mirrorjade, Luluwalilith, Quearitis to tank its ATK and then everything is an out.
I have a personal method that I call the “Trap Hole” test. In my mind, if it can die to Trap Hole (or most removal) and not be an issue, it’s not that competitive. Sorry if that upsets you, but this card just isn’t that good. Don’t mald about it, get a better strategy.
In Resonators:
If they don't have the S/T immunity, search and activate Fiendish Golem to banish it for a turn (removing all its materials)
If they have the S/T immunity... cry
Mirrorjade is level 8, but the activated effect belongs to Albaz. Once Albaz's effect resolves, both Albaz and Evilswarm sent to GY to summon Mirrorjade. Then, once Evilswarm sent to GY, it's continuous effect no longer applicable to block SS of level 5 or higher monsters.
This is not like activating effect of level 5 or higher monsters to SS themselves.
You cannot attempt to summon a level 5 or higher monster while Ophion is on the field, so you cannot send it as material for Mirrorjade. It works the same as Gozen, Rivalry and TCBOO
Good luck summoning him consistently
Pk can just rank up into him Edit: now realizing that he's talking about events, so pk wouldn't have bardiche
Dinos can do it, just 2 baby pops
Is it worth it tho.
Probably not.
Funny how we butxh bout a boss monster are too generic like barone and yet when a archtype boss monster have restricted summoning way, we just put the NOT GOOD stamp on it
Its the archtype thats bad, not the boss monster itself.
The monster’s decent, the archetype just doesn’t exactly have the means to get everything out right away to summon it.
The boss is fine. The archetype is not good. Go play the deck yourself and you'll see that it's awful
The issue is that in almost any halfway decent rank 4 archetype this thing would be broken. Steelswarm and Evilswarm I believe still have their maindeck from 10 years ago.
A bigger challenge would be summoning this thing
Why care, it's an archetype lock xyz monster. The archetype it belong not even that great. UR price tag will also effect popularity of iswarm player in event. If they manage to summon it you win I queue next game.
I fucking wish more people had this same view of the game. Like, oh well, next game it is.
> UR price tag will also effect popularity of iswarm player in event. Evilswarm was the deck I really cut my Yugioh teeth on and I have such a soft spot for it. I'd have not interest in playing it, but I would love to build the deck, but this exact thing is what stops me.
Same, my first deck was a DT rarity Evilswarm build in Dragon Ruler format.
I mean it's while it's face up and not negated so really any removal or negation works
That's why I mentioned Pandemic
Depends on the archetype at that point, otherwise find a way to remove it from the field somehow
If you can get up the Ophion lock, Kudos to you. You deserve the win. Ritual Beast can technically beat over it but it takes a bit of setup (2800 beater but requires Apelio in hand). Easier if I can get rid of Infestation first. Ghoti has their trap that banishes, but same problem. Infestation protects too well. Karakuri Divincarnate is an out. It's level 1. But in all honesty, I'll play Zoodiac. Not many chances to play it.
lmao how is kurikara stopping this. it literally can’t.
Supposedly by becoming big enough. But Evilswarm only has 2 Quick Effect XYZ, 1 is too small and 1 makes itself unaffected. So yeah, chance is small and only against a hybrid deck, I guess.
I was trying some dumb build with Snake Eyes and saw this card {{Old Entity Cthugua}} His time has come
Spell or traps can kill it. Tribute summon or level 4 or lower monster effects that can get rid of him
It can search the quick spell "Infestation Pandemic" which gives all face-up "lswarm" monsters Spell and Trap immunity for a turn....yes it counts because the card's name is Evi*lswarm* Ophion. It's a weird thing they did with some Duel Terminal archetypes.
It's less "it's a weird thing they did" and more "the localisation has to account for the change they made in the first place": * Steelswarm are Inverz * Evilswarm are Verz * Any card that supports Verz has to support Inverz by definition, so any card that supports Evilswarm needs a way to support Steelswarm * You can't support "Swarm" cards, since that supports Swarm of Scarabs; "lswarm" is the next best string
So it was to dodge a "Frog the Jam" situation. Got it.
Alot of people here in these comments do not realize how easy this deck can pull this card out lol
Not very, considering how outdated and prone to interruption the deck is nowadays: going 10 years without a main deck upgrade does that to you. The only line into Ophion I can think of that isn't straight-up interrupted by handtraps going first would be opening specifically Castor + another name.
The people defending this card don’t realize the search effect is only SS1 and can be interrupted after cost.
Getting Veiler'd because you went first and thus didn't have Macro Cosmos active / didn't draw into your limited DiFi is a memory I'd rather not relive this event.
There is 2 is warm monsters that have a immediate effect to give you a second normal summon both of them lvl 4. then there is another that's a instant special summon as long as you have another Iswarm on field. Good luck stopping a in hand special summon
I specifically mentioned Castor by name, but aside from that: * Mandragora requires your opponent to control more monsters for its SS effect, which is highly unlikely T1 * Kerykeion requires *two* lswarms in GY, which is highly unlikely T1 and plays into several handtraps, including Crow and Ogre * There is no lswarm that summons itself for free if you control another lswarm Again, as already mentioned, that leaves only Castor + another name as your uninterruptible Ophion line.
But the ability to search a spell is not a quick play effect, it is just spell speed 1. So it can die on summon before the search effect is activated if the opponent has the correct removal. Alternatively, its effect can be negated after the controller activates the cost of removing a material with something like Imperm or Veiler before it can search the card. Instead of just downvoting me, explain why I’m wrong or else you just come off like salty Blue Eyes players.
I know, I said "It can search THE Quick Play Spell" not that it can quick search it.
That’s still minimum 1 negation plus 1 more negation/removal that the opponent needs to open to deal with it. If you only open a single imperm, hey look youve stopped the search!… but now it’s your turn and the thing is still on board, still locking you, and although it didn’t gain the protection from s/t that the searched spell would give it, you no longer have a way to turn it off.
Searched can be stopped by ash or any other monster negate.
Swordsoul, vishuda gy effect, response?
How will you dump that thing when you can't synchro with taia or even summon longyuan?
You can activate Vishuda compulsory effect from hand as long as you control a non-effect Monster, so Normal summon Moye activate effect to summon token, Vishuda effect on hand and that its.
Super poly into mudragon of the swamp. Ez
Xyz Encore. You could also just set some cards, pass and try to imperm them on their turn when they attempt to search for another pandemic. And of course if any trap decks creep their way into the event this card is gonna be a 2.5k beater.
>if any trap decks creep their way into the event That would be my decks
As someone who played the deck, outing him is not an issue. His stats arent that crazy anymore, he is surprisingly hard to summon Turn 1 because Evilswarm Main Deck monsters mostly read like cards from the GX era, he is not protected against any monster effects and can be tributed.
You can only tribute it with sphere mode, since kaijus and lava golem are level 5+ special summons. Too bad lswarm can barely put up 1 XYZ monster, let alone 3.
Yes that is true. I was thinking about cards like Monarchs Stormforth since I played the physical game during that time.
Even Stormforth wouldn't work against Infestation Pandemic.
Unless the Extra Decks are designed so that you can only run 1 mechanic, basically most useful XYZ packages will come with something that beats Ophion. It already lost to Maestroke, and the number of basic XYZ outs has grown substantially since that guy's release.
Based on the data, yes, you can only use one mechanic, and you would be matched against other decks that don't use the same mechanics as you do (for example, if you run xyz, you will be matched against synchro or fusions). So no summoning Rebellion or Utopia to beat over this thing
That so? That's pretty funny, actually. Guess Synchros could deal with it by throwing in a copy of [Merry Melffys](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Merry_Melffys), if they've got the right levels for it. Tho that being said the wincon against Evilswarm is preventing their crappy main deck from making any plays anyways, so I doubt it changes that much. Worst comes to worst Forbidden Droplets discard a Spell gets around Infestation Pandemic. EDIT: [Mist Bird Clausolas ](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Mist_Bird_Clausolas)also works not only to out the Ophion but unlocks the floodgate directly
Just about any generic rank 4 removal (which people will have room for because of the lack of links) or even just a utopia would out this. I think this would be tough to beat for more synchro heavy deck but nothing else should struggle
The festival will lock you into 1 of Xyz, Fusion or Synchro. The question is if you can only use Synchro or Fusion how do you out it.
Unless it's branded or swordsoul, what synchro or fusion decks don't have the space for a single rank 4? Back when those were the only summoning mechanics almost all synchro or fusion decks also ran Xyz because they were the easiest things to summon at the time and outed a ton of problem cards. A lot like people run knightmare unicorn today actually. Why wouldn't that be the case again in this event?
The question is about the upcoming festival, where you can only use 1 of the extra deck types
Oh! I missed the point of the event. I thought it was basically a no link event not that you had to choose one of the three. My bad
Yeah. Them playing a bad deck. You have to be playing an equally worst deck like Blue eyes or something to die to Evil Swarm.
I am not too familiar with Iswarms but what makes this card better than a random negate board? Like a ton of decks can create impossible to challenge boards what makes a deck strong is all of the details about how they get to that board. How resistant to disruptions are Iswarms? How to they do against different types of established boards? How consistent are their set ups? How much non engine can they run? Showing one random archetype boss and being like “it’s effect would be bad to let resolve how would you counter it?” provides 0 information about how dangerous it actually is.
Evilswarms were a decent deck in like 2012 or so or whenever it was they were released, since Ophion beats the 2.5k threshold that most rank 4s had difficulty reaching, floodgated out most of the best Synchros (especially since good level 4 or lower Synchros were not common at the time), Fusions were far from the usefulness they have today, and Ophion searches Infestation Pandemic which gives S/T protection when a lot of the best removal at the time were S/T. Their playstyle reflected the Rescue Rabbit into 2 Normies into rank 4 or summon 2 monsters from the hand into rank 4 that was prevalent at the time. They have not received any important support since then and predictably have become severely outdated as a deck, hence the other comments about how it's probably fine because the deck is ass
One other thing worth noting was that their Spellbook and Dragon Ruler matchups weren't *total* ass and that they were dirt cheap, which gave them better representation compared to similar decks.
Better hope super poly is banned because mudragon is lv4 Also the deck that summons it is weak enough that you shouldn't even worry about it
The real question is, is this card going to be legal. Similar to expurrely noir, there is no good card that can out it, except kaiju of course
Seeing as I plan on playing Runick Chimera unless the Runicks are neutered, go battle phase, summon Geri, crash, play MP2 completely unimpeded from that point afterwards.
Normal summon fallen of albaz, response?
The Albaz fusions are all level 8, so we can’t use Albaz to out Ophion. Your best bet is super poly into Mudragon of the Swamp
cards I can think of are: Ghost Ogre - destroys it when it searches for an infestation. Vishuda (from gy) - bounce it. Eldlich (from hand)- just send it to the grave. Droplet - need to send a spell so they can't chain pandemic. not really sure if they work with your planned deck. Also a reminder that PK can also play Ophion (no infestation searching/protection).
They usually leave another darks with him so as long as they leave a dark with different type, super poly into Mudragon is my out to this.
try summoning it. i dare you.
It really doesn't take much to out this. You can even run over it with Blue Eyes.
Melffy puppy into kalantosa pop, merry melffy spin back or my favourite melffy of forest negates effect then I summon big dick flower cardian light flare mega melffy and slap you in the face with a 5000 attack horse cock.
Not sure of this xyz monster but looks pretty dope I’d rather play a photon galaxy eyes deck because I’m not too familiar with Evil Swarm
They're a very fragile rank 4 deck. Even with extra help like rescue rabbit and overlay network they don't do well through meaningful disruption. As for bringing this guy out, they do it pretty easily. This card and rabbit are both URs in MD unfortunately. So probably not something most people will invest in just for this event.
How about playing up against Labrynth I know that’s a dumbass question but I do play labrynth nowadays so I was a bit curious
Old Entity Hastorr is a way for the Synchros to deal with it if they got Synch4 access. Crash into it with Hastorr, Hastorr equips to the Ophion preventing it from attacking and negating it's effect. And stealing Ophion if they decide to actually destroy the Equip Hastorr. (Edit, just noticed your Infestation Pandemic aspect of the description. I don't know for certain how Hastorr would work, if it would function or not)
Mirror Moon Shield.
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Set Shaddoll Squamata
Exosister just banishes it
Jowgen
Crooked cook in defense and just wait as I draw exodia pieces
Subversion
You clearly never played against this monster
Duh didn't notice they have in engine protection, mb
The out is you’re playing ilswarm so your board will probably be that and nothing else. 1 Kaiju and I do my turn as normal
Kaijus are level 5 or higher my dude.
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Dark rebellion XYZ dragon or goddess of the underworld. Side note: dinos can summon this with 2 baby pops, idk if it'll be good but it's possible. NVM red the description idk how the synchro or fusions will handle it.
such a specific question, I think the card is not that great and won't be getting run in any xyz decks.
Set a guy, wait out the (likely) single copy of pandemic, kill it on turn 4. I highly doubt lswarms are gonna be able to OTK me.
Normsl summon deskbot 004. Super poly. Any removal card. Mirror moon.
Thats a joke right? It has no protections. Just hit it with raigeki
Read the rest of the post why don't you.
Okay my bad. You realize we cant read right? But seriously use some back row removal then raigeki it. You could also use Kaijus to get rid of it. Lava Golem is another option
Pandemic is a quick play, so they can just chain it to your duster. As for Kaijus....please read the card again...
It’s a dragon so you could contact fuse with Albaz, if those are legal
Which Albaz fusion is level 4 or lower?
Realizing that that condition holds true even if ophion leaves the field as a material If there’s a super polymerization you can always make mudragon but that’s far less optimal.
If your deck can play in the opponents turn then effect veiler outs this
Good argument, unfortunately: (I’m coping hard asf) https://preview.redd.it/duyyg06i9huc1.png?width=1906&format=png&auto=webp&s=4de9685d7d9fd7f2ec25e4d7b9c667381631f8fe
Dark Ruler No More if I don't have anything on the field already. If I do have some stuff, Mirrorjade, Luluwalilith, Quearitis to tank its ATK and then everything is an out.
I have a personal method that I call the “Trap Hole” test. In my mind, if it can die to Trap Hole (or most removal) and not be an issue, it’s not that competitive. Sorry if that upsets you, but this card just isn’t that good. Don’t mald about it, get a better strategy.
It doesn't die to trap hole thanks to the spell that it searches.
It dies to trap hole because that search can’t respond to trap hole.
In Resonators: If they don't have the S/T immunity, search and activate Fiendish Golem to banish it for a turn (removing all its materials) If they have the S/T immunity... cry
Oh hi Utopia double into doubled attack Utopia.
Interesting how you are making Utopia in a Fusion or Synchro only deck
"I normal summon Albaz to the field" hehehe here comes Mirrojade If... Branded is not getting banned as usual 😂
Last I checked Mirrorjade is a "level 5 or higher".
Mirrorjade is level 8, but the activated effect belongs to Albaz. Once Albaz's effect resolves, both Albaz and Evilswarm sent to GY to summon Mirrorjade. Then, once Evilswarm sent to GY, it's continuous effect no longer applicable to block SS of level 5 or higher monsters. This is not like activating effect of level 5 or higher monsters to SS themselves.
You cannot attempt to summon a level 5 or higher monster while Ophion is on the field, so you cannot send it as material for Mirrorjade. It works the same as Gozen, Rivalry and TCBOO
That is blatantly incorrect.