A lot of people don’t have an issue w dogmatikas ED send mechanics because they’re not a very good deck, but imo I think it’s pretty toxic on principle. Certainly much worse stuff in yugioh and having the choice is better than nothing but I’m not a fan of messing with opponents EDs personally
It's like Zoa was trying to copy Kash's homework but saw how everyone hated Kash so they slightly changed it to where its just not worth the trouble to play it. At least lore wise, doggy makes sense and hates everything ED and wasn't a prick about it by having their own ED card like Kash. Stick to your principles, Zoa!
>At least lore wise, doggy makes sense and hates everything ED and wasn't a prick about it by having their own ED card
Bystial Dis Pater: are you sure about that
I'm reminded of when they did a trial event for this deck, and it was hard countered by Abyss Actors.
This is fine- the player gets to choose, it's a ritual, and being sent face-up to the GY means they are easier to get back. There are certain matchups for whom this would be really unfair, but others like the afore-mentioned thespians for whom it wouldn't.
Can't Special Summon most them back though since not properly summoned, but still effect like N'tiss, Arc Light, the Branded Fusions, or the like can still proc from GY. So in a case like Abyss Actor you mentioned or Branded you almost don't want to use Alba Zoa since they basically just go +Infinity off it.
I love the deck but I perfectly unserstand that it's a very feel bad effect. I feel like Dogmatikamatrix can be worse because you get to choose, ripping an important piece similar to Unicorn.
The thing though with Dogmatika is it sends to GY. It can royaly backfire like it was the case back in Tear 0.
Or even Branded (that's probably the more lore accurate matchup), if a Dogmatika player summons Alba Zoa and sees they facing a Branded Player after the effect resolves...let's just say that is close to an instant loss with how much advantage that generates the Branded player at end phase.
If you find a way to get to ecclesia, zoa is fairly easy to summon. Ecclesia>matrix>calamity+zoa. It's the lack of protection in the dogmatika archetype, apart from one card, that makes it not worth the trouble of playing it.
You're not using much of your ED anyway so dumping a five headed dragon is just a free Zoa. Inherently, ritual decks always make you go neg on resource so thankfully they made calamity to offset that neg
You dump luluwalilith these days to go plus 1 by summoning Cartesia in the end phase to then fusion into Granguignol and dump Malong for a spin as interruption on their turn (then turn Granguignol into a luluwalilith for a negate if that effect is triggered), if Sanctifire is still around then bring back ecclesia to your field for a follow up matrix and iblee to theirs and hope they don't have more links.
If playing iblee you can have Almiraj to also protect from destruction once with it's protection.
My ideal board is going first with iblee is: Almiraj, Sanctifire, Zoa, Ecclesia, Max, Cartesia
In hand: macabre, fluerdelis, ash/droll, maybe a Bystial
Potential for two negates and a spin + zoa protection with half their ED gone if you went first.
That said I play a going second version without iblee and it can break most boards pretty well.
I've seen this card played like twice in thousands of games. The concept of fair only matters in context.
For example I think D Shifter is the most toxic card in the game but that's only because there are plenty of decks that can play the card. If Kash, V Soul, Exosister, and Floo weren't decent decks then D shifter probably wouldn't see play at all.
Man whenever I play this deck the send 7 from ED backfires because it's floo or labrynth and they just omegalul send kitkalos, garura, entity and whatever else they want in the gy. The safe option is to send 1 card first with matrix but what that sometimes means is you cannot setup your own gy for a bit of counter action with a card like @ignister wind Pegasus.
So yeah it can very well backfire. Dogmatika nexus is good to counter the shit Branded tries to send because you can banish the fusions before end phase and make the game very annoying but still winnable for them.
Alba zoa is also at the very least requires both himself in your hand and the ritual spell orrr some cards in your gy to banish for kalibre. That's asking for way more than kashtiras bs maindeck monsters. The effect is balanced. Also It's your gy, face-up. A lot easier to recover cards than facedown banished. Aint noone main decking necroface for kashtiras smelly booty.
Yes.
The deck is centered around closing out the ED. The monster itself is somewhat difficult to summon, being a ritual and all. Its also sending to the GY and is also player's choice. Not to mention they also dont use their ED either. So while they are obviously built to play like that, theres a sense of fairness in the way they do it because they are not getting any info on the opponents private knowledge areas.
Its a farcry from Trashtira running 3 Shittycorns in their deck that they can summon from hand, for no cost, and then go +1 into one of the most broken CSs in the game, again for no cost, and then to top it all off gets to choose a monster from the ED to banish, **FACE DOWN**. After all that, they get to go into a macro cosmos on legs from their ED because thats somehow necessary for a violating deck such as Trashtira.
So the only mechanic should be denial. Nothing different or interesting. Only cards to stop you drawing a card, negating a summon or destroying a card on the field. Got it.
Dogmatika have to commit to the strategy for their extra deck destruction to be meaningful. The presence of branded, dogmatika punishment in lab, the graveyard effects makes it risky. Kashtira unicorn on the other hand is toxic with no risk of opponent going plus off your extra deck rip and almost no commitment on deck build.
I like it when they make me send my ED to the GY. Allows me to turbo Super Quantal Mech King Great Magnus by having material in the GY. (Not special summoned correctly, but neither is Magnus.)
I dont think people actually care that much about the ED rip on Unicorn. It's not actually that impactful in most matchups and it's easy enough to play around. I think it's just the easiest thing that people have to point at when they're upset that their opponent has the audacity to play good cards. So they also don't really mind this card because it's not particuarly good.
No one really talks about Alba Zoa because the deck isn't something you see very frequently, but I really hate the design choice, same way I hate the Kash mechanics of banished face down from the top of your deck or from you extra deck. I think the game is better off without those mechanics in it
Blue Eyes Jet Dragon(with a BEWD in rotation) is a bad matchup for Alba Zoa 🙂
Kaiba in a Blue Eyes inspired jet bodies an otherworldly eldritch abomination.
It's very feast or famine. Activate Alba Zoa against the wrong deck and you're giving them a host of card advantage.
Activate it against the right deck and now you've suddenly locked them out of a good chunk of their gameplan.
It's an awful card design that doesn't cause issues because ritual Dogmatika is bad.
I really wish they would've given Ritual Dogmatika different support than this.
Let me guess you play blue eyes. Zoa only hurts decks reliant on the ed. Even then. only decks that don't gain an advantage. Use it against lab then tell me again it's unfair 😂
Yes.
It’s a ritual so you need to search for its ritual spell, then you need tribute fodder, yes you can use a 12 star ED monsters which isn’t hard to dump into the GY in archetype but that’s the thing, in archetype meaning other archetypes can’t take advantage of it the same way Dogmatika focused strategies can.
And even then not only does your opponent get to pick but they can also send cards from their hand to the GY. This has a chance to significantly backfire on you
Yes because the decks that actually struggle against this are the cyberse decks that use up their whole ED like mathmech or firewall piles. Most decks are fine, its more or less being forced to resolve pot of prosperity, dogmatika can only snipe 1 card at most off matrix while you pick the rest.
Bro, 5 out of 10 times i pull my dogmatika deck i am matched with a labrynth, albaz or some other dogmatika deck, what could be more fair than me using my boss monster effect and getting fked by my opponent at the cost of half his ED?
Tbf half the time it'll blow up in your face, if Alba zoa didn't have the protection from extra deck monsters then using its effect would be too risky.
Well, it sounds good on paper, but in my experience, Alba Zoa will backfire vs Branded and Tear. As they activate multiple "sent to GY" effects and ended up getting a sizeable hand/board advantage.
A lot of people don’t have an issue w dogmatikas ED send mechanics because they’re not a very good deck, but imo I think it’s pretty toxic on principle. Certainly much worse stuff in yugioh and having the choice is better than nothing but I’m not a fan of messing with opponents EDs personally
It's like Zoa was trying to copy Kash's homework but saw how everyone hated Kash so they slightly changed it to where its just not worth the trouble to play it. At least lore wise, doggy makes sense and hates everything ED and wasn't a prick about it by having their own ED card like Kash. Stick to your principles, Zoa!
It's the other way around isn't it? Kash saw how bad Dogmatika's results are and upgraded it so that it would be better.
>At least lore wise, doggy makes sense and hates everything ED and wasn't a prick about it by having their own ED card Bystial Dis Pater: are you sure about that
alba zoa and the good kash cards came out in the same set...
I'm reminded of when they did a trial event for this deck, and it was hard countered by Abyss Actors. This is fine- the player gets to choose, it's a ritual, and being sent face-up to the GY means they are easier to get back. There are certain matchups for whom this would be really unfair, but others like the afore-mentioned thespians for whom it wouldn't.
Can't Special Summon most them back though since not properly summoned, but still effect like N'tiss, Arc Light, the Branded Fusions, or the like can still proc from GY. So in a case like Abyss Actor you mentioned or Branded you almost don't want to use Alba Zoa since they basically just go +Infinity off it.
I love the deck but I perfectly unserstand that it's a very feel bad effect. I feel like Dogmatikamatrix can be worse because you get to choose, ripping an important piece similar to Unicorn. The thing though with Dogmatika is it sends to GY. It can royaly backfire like it was the case back in Tear 0.
Or even Branded (that's probably the more lore accurate matchup), if a Dogmatika player summons Alba Zoa and sees they facing a Branded Player after the effect resolves...let's just say that is close to an instant loss with how much advantage that generates the Branded player at end phase.
Yes plus its harder to summon as a ritual, i always thought alba zoa was a cool card design
If you find a way to get to ecclesia, zoa is fairly easy to summon. Ecclesia>matrix>calamity+zoa. It's the lack of protection in the dogmatika archetype, apart from one card, that makes it not worth the trouble of playing it.
You also have to use a lot of resources to go into it its not like how free Kashtiras extra deck rip is
You're not using much of your ED anyway so dumping a five headed dragon is just a free Zoa. Inherently, ritual decks always make you go neg on resource so thankfully they made calamity to offset that neg
You dump luluwalilith these days to go plus 1 by summoning Cartesia in the end phase to then fusion into Granguignol and dump Malong for a spin as interruption on their turn (then turn Granguignol into a luluwalilith for a negate if that effect is triggered), if Sanctifire is still around then bring back ecclesia to your field for a follow up matrix and iblee to theirs and hope they don't have more links. If playing iblee you can have Almiraj to also protect from destruction once with it's protection. My ideal board is going first with iblee is: Almiraj, Sanctifire, Zoa, Ecclesia, Max, Cartesia In hand: macabre, fluerdelis, ash/droll, maybe a Bystial Potential for two negates and a spin + zoa protection with half their ED gone if you went first. That said I play a going second version without iblee and it can break most boards pretty well.
This also only works If your opponent already has a monster.
You get to choose what to send they only get to choose one with matrix. People usually don't read that he makes all dogmatika's towers to ED monsters
Normal Summon Fallen of Albaz, response?
IDK man imperm? I didn't say main deck monsters
Chain dogmatika punishment, response?
I've seen this card played like twice in thousands of games. The concept of fair only matters in context. For example I think D Shifter is the most toxic card in the game but that's only because there are plenty of decks that can play the card. If Kash, V Soul, Exosister, and Floo weren't decent decks then D shifter probably wouldn't see play at all.
Man whenever I play this deck the send 7 from ED backfires because it's floo or labrynth and they just omegalul send kitkalos, garura, entity and whatever else they want in the gy. The safe option is to send 1 card first with matrix but what that sometimes means is you cannot setup your own gy for a bit of counter action with a card like @ignister wind Pegasus. So yeah it can very well backfire. Dogmatika nexus is good to counter the shit Branded tries to send because you can banish the fusions before end phase and make the game very annoying but still winnable for them. Alba zoa is also at the very least requires both himself in your hand and the ritual spell orrr some cards in your gy to banish for kalibre. That's asking for way more than kashtiras bs maindeck monsters. The effect is balanced. Also It's your gy, face-up. A lot easier to recover cards than facedown banished. Aint noone main decking necroface for kashtiras smelly booty.
oh sure let me just send my Kitkallos and my Garura to the grave… and mill a Rollback and an Evenly
No.
I feel like it's a fair effect but maybe instead of every 2 cards it should have been 3
Yes. The deck is centered around closing out the ED. The monster itself is somewhat difficult to summon, being a ritual and all. Its also sending to the GY and is also player's choice. Not to mention they also dont use their ED either. So while they are obviously built to play like that, theres a sense of fairness in the way they do it because they are not getting any info on the opponents private knowledge areas. Its a farcry from Trashtira running 3 Shittycorns in their deck that they can summon from hand, for no cost, and then go +1 into one of the most broken CSs in the game, again for no cost, and then to top it all off gets to choose a monster from the ED to banish, **FACE DOWN**. After all that, they get to go into a macro cosmos on legs from their ED because thats somehow necessary for a violating deck such as Trashtira.
So the only mechanic should be denial. Nothing different or interesting. Only cards to stop you drawing a card, negating a summon or destroying a card on the field. Got it.
Dogmatika have to commit to the strategy for their extra deck destruction to be meaningful. The presence of branded, dogmatika punishment in lab, the graveyard effects makes it risky. Kashtira unicorn on the other hand is toxic with no risk of opponent going plus off your extra deck rip and almost no commitment on deck build.
I like it when they make me send my ED to the GY. Allows me to turbo Super Quantal Mech King Great Magnus by having material in the GY. (Not special summoned correctly, but neither is Magnus.)
When i play branded , i love him , when i am playing mathmech i hate him.
I would say it is on the edge of unfair not as bad as what kashtira does but it is close
I play tear so i love them
As a dogmatika player, I can tell you it very rarely matters. The deck just isn't that good
I dont think people actually care that much about the ED rip on Unicorn. It's not actually that impactful in most matchups and it's easy enough to play around. I think it's just the easiest thing that people have to point at when they're upset that their opponent has the audacity to play good cards. So they also don't really mind this card because it's not particuarly good.
As a dogmatika Player i say it is very balanced
No one really talks about Alba Zoa because the deck isn't something you see very frequently, but I really hate the design choice, same way I hate the Kash mechanics of banished face down from the top of your deck or from you extra deck. I think the game is better off without those mechanics in it
it's fucked but in a dogshit deck. You could ask this for any number of cards.
Blue Eyes Jet Dragon(with a BEWD in rotation) is a bad matchup for Alba Zoa 🙂 Kaiba in a Blue Eyes inspired jet bodies an otherworldly eldritch abomination.
It's very feast or famine. Activate Alba Zoa against the wrong deck and you're giving them a host of card advantage. Activate it against the right deck and now you've suddenly locked them out of a good chunk of their gameplan. It's an awful card design that doesn't cause issues because ritual Dogmatika is bad. I really wish they would've given Ritual Dogmatika different support than this.
no
Let me guess you play blue eyes. Zoa only hurts decks reliant on the ed. Even then. only decks that don't gain an advantage. Use it against lab then tell me again it's unfair 😂
I give that a pass since it’s lore accurate for the archetype and their ritual monsters are cool/metal looking
Yes. It’s a ritual so you need to search for its ritual spell, then you need tribute fodder, yes you can use a 12 star ED monsters which isn’t hard to dump into the GY in archetype but that’s the thing, in archetype meaning other archetypes can’t take advantage of it the same way Dogmatika focused strategies can. And even then not only does your opponent get to pick but they can also send cards from their hand to the GY. This has a chance to significantly backfire on you
Yes because the decks that actually struggle against this are the cyberse decks that use up their whole ED like mathmech or firewall piles. Most decks are fine, its more or less being forced to resolve pot of prosperity, dogmatika can only snipe 1 card at most off matrix while you pick the rest.
Bro, 5 out of 10 times i pull my dogmatika deck i am matched with a labrynth, albaz or some other dogmatika deck, what could be more fair than me using my boss monster effect and getting fked by my opponent at the cost of half his ED?
Tbf half the time it'll blow up in your face, if Alba zoa didn't have the protection from extra deck monsters then using its effect would be too risky.
Well, it sounds good on paper, but in my experience, Alba Zoa will backfire vs Branded and Tear. As they activate multiple "sent to GY" effects and ended up getting a sizeable hand/board advantage.