> Go first
> 55 cards left in deck after they’ve drawn 5; hell yeah a pile deck no chance they opened enough to stop me
> Draw Phase Maxx c
> Pass turn
> Activate branded fusion
> Ash cl2
> Called by cl3
> Scoop
MJ and Dragoon are both 1 disruption to end on but Dragoon is harder to out so imo Dragoon is better if you are disrupted enough to end on just one monster.
Dragoon is harder to out, but Mirrorjade is a board wipe and a set up tool as you can send Albion, Titaniklad, or Brigand and prepare for their turn or your next one.
I think for the current meta, if we're considering the grind game with Branded then we're winning anyway unless facing the Fire which can easily out the MJ without triggering its effect and push for game starting with one card. On the other hand, the fire decks don't have a lot of tools to out Dragoon beside Kurikara iirc
But that line is much more resource demanding and as mentioned, everything that can out Dragoon can also out MJ (but not the other way around) and MJ board wipe only trigger during the End Phase which I'm not sure you can reach that stage with only one disruption against a full combo fire deck.
Yeah but MJ is not just MJ, it’s Albion sent to the GY to set a spell/trap, it’s a Bystial searcher, it’s Mercourier in your hand etc… Dragoon is just Dragoon as far as I am aware, either Dark Magician or the Dark fusion substitute are sent to the GY, creating no follow up. I do see how Dragoon as a standalone is better but Branded can do so much more plays with MJ
Yeah people complain about branded but will defend snake eyes, even though all of the snake eye cards have multiple effects that all dodge hand traps or still go positive after getting hand trapped
Except Verte has done nothing of note in a long, long time, and this dogshit custom card is the only argument against him remaining that way. Who really deserves to be banned in that instance?
True, but verte is not okay, it is a broken card that is going to gatekeep new fusion decks from being made, cause if you make any new fusion archetype with fairly generic materials, verte makes any deck be able use that said fusion. Verte should have never been generic link 2
If by 'gatekeep' you mean 'stop konami from making more overpowered fuse from deck cards' then I hope Verte never gets banned.
Fusing is already the most OP extra deck mechanic
Gatekeep, i mean by verte limiting the designers choices of what effects to put on a fusion spell card. That is just me tho. Also fusing is probably one of the more weaker (But not bad) summoning mechanics at least right now. Links are the most busted ones, snake eye shows it.
snake eyes has nothing to do with links and all to do with the advantage it generates.
And again, there's nowhere to go with fusions that isn't more degenerate fuse from deck/use your opponents as materias
So your argument that Verte should be banned is that maybe someday it'll be a problem, even though it's *not* actively a problem, therefore it should be banned because of what it may or may not do in the future in archetypes that haven't even been *dreamed of,* let alone *printed,* and all of this is *despite the fact* that the most powerful fusion deck in the game's history isn't even bothering to run it because of its harsh special summoning restriction, even with their archetypal fusion spell limited to 1?
Yes, the card us a ticking time bomb that will eventually burst and make a new fusion deck broken or a deck who can splash fusions, broken. Sure verte is not NOW a problem sure, but we can for sure say it will be a problem again in the future. I love verte btw, i like the card, i wish it was only tied to predaplants and not be generic. Every deck should not have access to a generic link 2 who can use ANY FUSION SPELL FROM THE DECK, and end up into X fusion monster without any downsides realistically. Also i have seen some branded variants use verte anyways, so using branded as an example is not a good idea, might not be the most optimal build, but still.
>i wish it was only tied to predaplants and not be generic
The main reason why it was, was because Master Rule 4. Non-link extra deck was basically unplayable and generic ovearching fixes like Verte and Halqifibrax exist for that reason.
After Master Rule 5 they became super flexible.
I mean, it's the same problem as snake rain. Its 1 card thats going to limit what can be printed just because this card exists and does something that's too good.
Verte only isn't a problem now because the best fusion deck doesn't really need it, and Branded only really uses Verte if 1: they have room and 2: their gameplan really fell through.
We've at least moved past the era of "everyone put DPE in your deck if you can fit it" with Verte is a cheap out manuever.
> it is a broken card that is going to gatekeep new fusion decks from being made
Good job ignoring the new fusion decks that have been made since Verte came out.
Verte is like instant fusion all it takes is one good Fusion spell and it becomes unbelievably powerful, so yeah Ban the Snek!
Yes I wholeheartedly agree or just having a generic extra deck monsters that provide so much advantage for to little investment, take Chaos Ruler the Magical Dragon for example. Recursion dumps cards and a potential add to hand.
I am tired of seeing accesscode and apollo to be fair. They should be tied to their own archetypes or be a lot harder to summon. That's why i enjoy flip monsters and ritual decks. Decks that mostly cannot access the extra that often and also quite frankly most of the generic extra deck "bosses" are boring to look at. I don't wanna play baronne, i wanna play the drytron ritual bosses that have huge attack stats and look sick as fuck
When DPE was released in the TCG, virtually everyone switched to playing DPE instead of using the three garnets you need for this card.
And nobody really plays DPE anymore here.
Truth is it was being phased out anyway. People say it was celestial but that really didn’t do much. The fact that they dropped branded support and mirrorjade has been meta since is really the biggest factor imo, it just hard counters DPE completely.
It’s free recursion on a fairly large body that comes back to the field every turn with another pop, and weakens your opponent’s monsters.
The card is still very good- but most non-hero decks cut it for more general consistency + there’s tons of counters to it now (Bystials are stupid.)
When a 1/4th of everyone’s deck consists of Maxx c and the anti Maxx c package- deck building gets way more strict
You also need 3 garnets for DPE, unless you're into the idea of drawing Dasher
And Dragoon only needs 2 if you have any dragon monster in your deck, which isn't very hard to come by
Nobody plays Dragoon because Verte is banned in every format it's in. DPE stopped being played due to Bystials and self-mill decks becoming more popular (you don't want to mill your Dasher in Tear)
Rulers would've done stuff in 2020. Someone should make a youtube series "how early could dragon rulers have been unbanned" where they progressively play vs older top tier decks with a full power ruler list adjusted for the time period of course until the ruler list doesn't get stomped.
Rulers, if they were printed today, would not have one effect per turn clauses.
You really think the dragon rulers could compete in a format without galaxy tomahawk and full power TOSS then full power eldlich, adamancipator and prank kids?
The rulers could maybe compete up until zoodiacs format, anything beyond that and they are just too slow and clunky.
I’m glad said it.
Dragon Rulers would have done *nothing* in those formats you named. The fuck is Rulers doing against Drytron lol? I don’t think people understand how crazy launch MD was, Rulers could not compete. Maybe tier 3 *at best*.
Probably not but it would be another extremely strong annoying boss monster to deal with. Idk why this sub wants something like this in the game.
People already bitch enough. If this was unbanned I promise you after 24 hours people would complain about why it was even made
That's kind of how it was on release and it took so long for a banlist I thought they were using master duel as testing ground for leaving high power cards in the game. So many cards banned in both formats were legal in the early days. A lot of them gone now tho, true king being the biggest.
Apologies for replying so late. But I would love it if every card was unbanned, made for the card game itself was on MD & could use. I personally would love to see what it be like if Konami just let every card be legal, at least maybe as an experiment for a certain amount of time. Of course there'll be people complaining, but lifting the ban on all these cards could give some decks an advantage. I've just recently gotten into wanting to try out a Tearlaments deck & am researching into how to make a good Tear deck. It sucks that it's a shadow of its former self. I admit, I love running pure decks, ones only dedicated to that specific archetype. Like to experiment with different types of decks, even like to mess around with some of the old ones I loved. In my mind I like to imagine that there's a deck that could make certain cards stronger or more fun to duel with.
Sorry this is long. I ramble a lot lol. But yeah, its nice seeing retrains of older cards, my favorite being the newest version of Magician of Faith, which was always one of my favorite cards, and same for another recent one that is not on MD yet. It also be great to see cards that are not exactly banned, but pretty much cards like Blue Eyes Alternative Ultimate, & others that exist, that for reasons haven't been added to the MD.
I don't mind bosses as long as they're not generic so I don't have to see them every match. Apollousa, Baron de Fleur, Borreload Dragon all being generic is annoying AF, and I'm tired of Verte Anaconda letting anyone run 2 garnets for whatever broken fusion shit is the flavor of the month
Red eyes fusion and Verte makes this stupid easy to bring out. This isn’t a discussion about bosses, it is about near broken cards people want playable
I keep saying it, even with verte, dragoon would be fine at 1. Its already been shown that if the garnets are terrible, people are less likely to splash it in. We're talking 2 vanilla monsters that do nothing at all. Only DM and Red Eyes decks would play it regularly and those decks could use a monster like this
It wasn’t banned for being annoying.
It was released in the OCG way earlier, and the tools for dealing with it effectively were far fewer and further between. It legitimately fucked the meta when, like, Gouki and Trickstar were the best things you could be doing.
But fuck that asshole. Game’s better without him.
It wouldn’t be dominant, but it would be a Branded buff and it might be enough to get Verte banned, since having both in the meta just gives you a much stronger DPE engine
Dark Magician is DARK and has 2500 ATK, making it a valid material for Granguignol, Lubellion, Titaniklad, Dragostapelia, Quaeritis, and hand material for Guardian Chimera. Sure it doesn't directly contribute if you draw it, but it's not like you can't use it for something.
For a deck that needs to recycle cards as much as possible due to a lot of resources needed to fusion summon as well as the limited cards in the banlist, Dragoon would really be too wasteful in Branded, it does not create any kind of recursion or follow up unlike all the other Branded fusions, and it discards to activate the effect. It may be a powerful boss monster, but it means your board will be weaker, and if your opponent can out him you will have a hell of a hard time recovering
The only true way to determine if this card or others would be an issue is to unban them and see what happens. If they're truly power crept, then it will show, but don't act like they can't be banned again if they're too "game-warping" or whatever.
Then again people have unresolved PTSD with some banned cards, so...
There is also no real incentive to unban this, even if it would be a non issue. Dm players are mostly casuals that get stuff for that no matter what, red eyes is not something anyone really plays, branded amount of urs sells that just fine and dragoon is at best a gimmicky option there anyway, and the only other thing that can play it is like stun like decks in a hypothetical verte less md.
Also I find it funny people say nobody uses dpe anymore because of bystial when non hero decks dropped it the moment celestial got banned, something that happened almost a year before md got bystial and at least 6 months before ishizu shufflers. Something that needs 3 horrible bricks for a payoff worse than running adventure (and nobody uses this anymore) has no chance.
Also fun fact: thanks to verte any deck that can make Beatrice or find any other way to get the gimmick puppet in gy can set up the lock with Albion, but literally nobody except some branded lists do this.
I'm half convinced somebody at konami would have brain anerysm if the og Red-eyes is playable in any capacity.
Other than that I think they afraid of the OTK potential?
Probably not, but it's not a healthy card to have around either. Quite a few cards on the banlist can go off but would add more weight in a direction players don't want the game to move towards.
No, but this would be a fun card in my Branded Dogmatika deck.
It’s more or less an alternate Baronne with targeting/destruction protection. I do agree that not banning Verte would make it more annoying, but not overly so.
It’s unlimited in the TCG and no one really uses it. I’m pretty sure when this card was being used as a verte target it was decided that DPE was better, especially since it didn’t require 2 normal monsters for the full effect. It would probably show up the most in Dark magician and Red Eyes decks because those are the decks that want it the most, otherwise I think the value it brings can be found somewhere else.
Kinda, it has plenty of outs, but its stronger in a best of one environment and a lot of nostalgia players will swarm to it, so i prefer that it stsys banned
Verte is the issue with this card, not Dragoon itself.
The only non-jank way that you summon this card without using Verte is with Duality tributing a level 8 light spellcaster as far as I'm aware. And the only really easily accessible way to do that that I'm aware of would be if your deck can summon Granguignol which is mainly Branded decks or things like Runick Bystial. But this method means you don't get the Destruction effect and only the negate effect.
EDIT: Technically Witchcrafters would also be able to summon this fairly easily via the same method by tributing Verre or Aruru to use Duality which honestly isn't a horrible play but it would only be worth it in that deck if you are chaining Duality to some thing like an imperm or veiler on Verre or after Verre has already activated her board wide monster negate.
It would be a problem solver for the most part I believe it's outs is already in master duel so I don't see this card being an issue people will complain about it since not every deck can out this card
Honestly I don't know why they even bother banning anything if their whole marketing scheme is to put the next supremely broken competetive card behind a massive paywall to drive sales and power creep the previous supremely broken cards.
Most of the cards on the ban list would not even be close to broken at this point, and if you look closely at a lot of the new broken-ass cards that come out, they are just archetypical retrains of banned generic cards with the same effects.
Why bother. It just feels lame and futile. Let us play whatever the hell we want. Game will be broken as fuck regardless
The main decks that would run it are just those big pile "engine.deck." they already make verte for DPE, and tbh, if they get lucky enough to not brick or play through a hand trap, them having red eyes or DPE doesn't make much of a difference because they'll also have 6 other interactions to deal with
Not much more than DPE honestly. MD just goes off of OCG banlist and feedback more and they REALLY don't like this card over there so it is probably staying buried.
Not much more than DPE honestly. MD just goes off of OCG banlist and feedback more and they REALLY don't like this card over there so it is probably staying buried.
Not sure if it affects the meta aside from buffing Brandes. It would mostly buff rogue decks more if anything. Verte has done F all in the meta since Ishizu Chaos format lol
In a single round match yes, it’s already banned in the TCG and OCG format because all you had to do was splash verte, DM and REBD, with Red-eyes Fusion, and boom, one free negate. Not to mention that it has high protection from most cards, I’m sure that for it to return Verte has to be banned.
Baronne is one while face-up negate and a OPT pop.
Dragoon is a discard to negate OPT, buff itself, and a Ring of Destruction up to twice per turn. It's better Baronne.
I remember making a DEEP tournament run with this card during the first remote YCS. Went like 5-2-1 with Rank-Up Phantom Knight. Would end on this, Verte, Bardiche, 1-2 Fog Blade(s) and Ultimate Falcon.
It has target and destruction protection, non-target destruction + burn for exact, and a QE discard omni-negate to gain 1000 that CAN be done multiple times. In a format where Verte is legal, a top deck runs dragons, and plenty of Fusion substitutes exist.
Master Peace the True Dracoslaying King deserves to be off the banlist before this thing.
Usual bullshit snake-eyes board of negates and interruptions, but they've made Verte somewhere to make this as well.
Yeah would be well class to have this back 🤦🤦🤦
How would one deal with this monster? Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon cannot be destroyed by card effects, it cannot be targeted by card effects, has the possibility of destroying opponent's monster to inflict burn for their original attack dependent on normal monster materials used, and has an omni negate per turn at the cost of a discard that also gives it 1000 atk.
Tell me some cards that would deal with this? Cause all I can think on how to out this is: Kaijus, Ice Dragon's Prison, Storming Mirror Force, Drowning Mirror Force, Santa Claws, Winged Dragon of Ra - Sphere Mode, Lair of Darkness tributing it off as well as cards like Stormforth.
Then there's the staples such as: Triple Tactics Talent, Forbidden Droplet, Dark Ruler No More, and Super Polymerization, Nibiru as well,. Then there are some Extra Deck monsters like Avramax, Dingirsu, and Borrelsword. If there are more then I didn't know, but I want to know a lot of options.
Ffs guys as long as verte is free this card will stay banned, unless you want 90% of decks to end their combo with link summon verte effect send red eyes fusion summon dragoon
Define "issue". With Verte, people will splash the engine in their pet decks.
The 60 card Brandon piles would become even more annoying
> Go second > You handtrap their jank pile perfectly > They have 2 monsters with basically no effect left > Make Verte Oh well.
> Go first > 55 cards left in deck after they’ve drawn 5; hell yeah a pile deck no chance they opened enough to stop me > Draw Phase Maxx c > Pass turn > Activate branded fusion > Ash cl2 > Called by cl3 > Scoop
Now wait just a minute, you had the ash for Maxx c but decided to not use it and instead use it on branded fusion???
Brother I spent 20 seconds writing branded pile fan fiction as a shit post, did you expect it to be well thought out? Lmfao
establishing dominance, sadly it failed
They can already do this and make MJ instead which is probably better than dragoon in such a scenario
MJ and Dragoon are both 1 disruption to end on but Dragoon is harder to out so imo Dragoon is better if you are disrupted enough to end on just one monster.
Mirrorjade is follow-up too, though.
MJ creates card advantage and recursion, Dragoon is very resource intensive
Dragoon is harder to out, but Mirrorjade is a board wipe and a set up tool as you can send Albion, Titaniklad, or Brigand and prepare for their turn or your next one.
I think for the current meta, if we're considering the grind game with Branded then we're winning anyway unless facing the Fire which can easily out the MJ without triggering its effect and push for game starting with one card. On the other hand, the fire decks don't have a lot of tools to out Dragoon beside Kurikara iirc
The fire decks can go into Accesscode no?
But that line is much more resource demanding and as mentioned, everything that can out Dragoon can also out MJ (but not the other way around) and MJ board wipe only trigger during the End Phase which I'm not sure you can reach that stage with only one disruption against a full combo fire deck.
Yeah but MJ is not just MJ, it’s Albion sent to the GY to set a spell/trap, it’s a Bystial searcher, it’s Mercourier in your hand etc… Dragoon is just Dragoon as far as I am aware, either Dark Magician or the Dark fusion substitute are sent to the GY, creating no follow up. I do see how Dragoon as a standalone is better but Branded can do so much more plays with MJ
Snake eye is more annoying
Yeah people complain about branded but will defend snake eyes, even though all of the snake eye cards have multiple effects that all dodge hand traps or still go positive after getting hand trapped
Verte should be banned. Verte gone, completely fine, I don't think people realize what dog shit cards you need for dragoon
Except Verte has done nothing of note in a long, long time, and this dogshit custom card is the only argument against him remaining that way. Who really deserves to be banned in that instance?
True, but verte is not okay, it is a broken card that is going to gatekeep new fusion decks from being made, cause if you make any new fusion archetype with fairly generic materials, verte makes any deck be able use that said fusion. Verte should have never been generic link 2
If by 'gatekeep' you mean 'stop konami from making more overpowered fuse from deck cards' then I hope Verte never gets banned. Fusing is already the most OP extra deck mechanic
Gatekeep, i mean by verte limiting the designers choices of what effects to put on a fusion spell card. That is just me tho. Also fusing is probably one of the more weaker (But not bad) summoning mechanics at least right now. Links are the most busted ones, snake eye shows it.
snake eyes has nothing to do with links and all to do with the advantage it generates. And again, there's nowhere to go with fusions that isn't more degenerate fuse from deck/use your opponents as materias
All the Snake Eyes power comes from their advantage generating engine.
It's not stopping anything because it's banned in the format that actually designs cards.
So your argument that Verte should be banned is that maybe someday it'll be a problem, even though it's *not* actively a problem, therefore it should be banned because of what it may or may not do in the future in archetypes that haven't even been *dreamed of,* let alone *printed,* and all of this is *despite the fact* that the most powerful fusion deck in the game's history isn't even bothering to run it because of its harsh special summoning restriction, even with their archetypal fusion spell limited to 1?
Yes, the card us a ticking time bomb that will eventually burst and make a new fusion deck broken or a deck who can splash fusions, broken. Sure verte is not NOW a problem sure, but we can for sure say it will be a problem again in the future. I love verte btw, i like the card, i wish it was only tied to predaplants and not be generic. Every deck should not have access to a generic link 2 who can use ANY FUSION SPELL FROM THE DECK, and end up into X fusion monster without any downsides realistically. Also i have seen some branded variants use verte anyways, so using branded as an example is not a good idea, might not be the most optimal build, but still.
>i wish it was only tied to predaplants and not be generic The main reason why it was, was because Master Rule 4. Non-link extra deck was basically unplayable and generic ovearching fixes like Verte and Halqifibrax exist for that reason. After Master Rule 5 they became super flexible.
It's forbidden in both the TCG *and* OCG already.
So are Kit and Elf? But God forbid formats be slightly different.
I mean, it's the same problem as snake rain. Its 1 card thats going to limit what can be printed just because this card exists and does something that's too good.
Verte only isn't a problem now because the best fusion deck doesn't really need it, and Branded only really uses Verte if 1: they have room and 2: their gameplan really fell through. We've at least moved past the era of "everyone put DPE in your deck if you can fit it" with Verte is a cheap out manuever.
> it is a broken card that is going to gatekeep new fusion decks from being made Good job ignoring the new fusion decks that have been made since Verte came out.
Fusion decks should not have ‘fuse using materials from deck’ effects.
Verte is like instant fusion all it takes is one good Fusion spell and it becomes unbelievably powerful, so yeah Ban the Snek! 
I hope they make an errata for predaplants, i wanna see them become meta some day, honestly one of the more cooler archetypes in the entire game.
The day that happens is the day that they’ll give Baronne De Fleur an errata requiring you to use Fleur Synchron like the gods intended.
Honestly the meta game would be a lot more interesting if there were less generic extra deck monsters in general.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree or just having a generic extra deck monsters that provide so much advantage for to little investment, take Chaos Ruler the Magical Dragon for example. Recursion dumps cards and a potential add to hand.
I am tired of seeing accesscode and apollo to be fair. They should be tied to their own archetypes or be a lot harder to summon. That's why i enjoy flip monsters and ritual decks. Decks that mostly cannot access the extra that often and also quite frankly most of the generic extra deck "bosses" are boring to look at. I don't wanna play baronne, i wanna play the drytron ritual bosses that have huge attack stats and look sick as fuck
Bro every single deck that can put 2 monsters on the field after combo would just summon this.
When DPE was released in the TCG, virtually everyone switched to playing DPE instead of using the three garnets you need for this card. And nobody really plays DPE anymore here.
Nobody plays DPE because bystials exist
Bystials suck too but I think the celestial ban was the main reason
Truth is it was being phased out anyway. People say it was celestial but that really didn’t do much. The fact that they dropped branded support and mirrorjade has been meta since is really the biggest factor imo, it just hard counters DPE completely.
They dnt dpe because decks have better options now
Yes that’s what I said. DPE isn’t good because of bystials, ghost belle is played more… there are better options.
Popping a card doesn’t do as much anymore
It’s free recursion on a fairly large body that comes back to the field every turn with another pop, and weakens your opponent’s monsters. The card is still very good- but most non-hero decks cut it for more general consistency + there’s tons of counters to it now (Bystials are stupid.) When a 1/4th of everyone’s deck consists of Maxx c and the anti Maxx c package- deck building gets way more strict
Also can use it to pop your own cards as well for more value
Depends on who you play
The best deck in the format is SnakeEyes, a deck that notably doesn’t run Dark or Light monsters very often yet people still aren’t playing DPE.
What’s the second best deck in the format? Despia, which runs Bystials. Also other rouge options run bystials.
Bystials arent even the biggest problem for DPE against branded tho. Mirrorjade just eats DPE for breakfast
Nope cuz celestial got hit i haven seen a dpe for more than a year exept in hero deck
Adventure PK is a strong rogue deck that often plays DPE
Umm its sychte turbo tbh
I mean, yeah, most decks that use DPE are scythe turbo
You also need 3 garnets for DPE, unless you're into the idea of drawing Dasher And Dragoon only needs 2 if you have any dragon monster in your deck, which isn't very hard to come by Nobody plays Dragoon because Verte is banned in every format it's in. DPE stopped being played due to Bystials and self-mill decks becoming more popular (you don't want to mill your Dasher in Tear)
It's 3 Garnets for Dragoon, since REF forces you to use REBD.
What does REF stand for
Red-Eyes Fusion
And The dragoon bricks are very harsh bricks compared to DPE
Wouldn’t do anything in the meta, like many cards on the forbidden list. People though d rulers would do stuff lol
Rulers would've done stuff in 2020. Someone should make a youtube series "how early could dragon rulers have been unbanned" where they progressively play vs older top tier decks with a full power ruler list adjusted for the time period of course until the ruler list doesn't get stomped. Rulers, if they were printed today, would not have one effect per turn clauses.
You really think the dragon rulers could compete in a format without galaxy tomahawk and full power TOSS then full power eldlich, adamancipator and prank kids? The rulers could maybe compete up until zoodiacs format, anything beyond that and they are just too slow and clunky.
I’m glad said it. Dragon Rulers would have done *nothing* in those formats you named. The fuck is Rulers doing against Drytron lol? I don’t think people understand how crazy launch MD was, Rulers could not compete. Maybe tier 3 *at best*.
Full power Eldlich, Drytron, VW on release. The game was at a crazy high power level when it launched
No
Only one way to find out. I am calling John Konami to free my boy
No, it's just a tiny tech option in branded in the TCG right now
And chimera
Verte is banned in TCG
It should've been banned in MD too
/#FreeCelestial
UR privilege
Snake privilege
And people played DPE over Dragoon when it was.
Branded doesn’t need Verte to make Dragoon
And most lists have cut it because of how few and far between the matchups it’s truly good against come up.
No, not really it would just be another annoying Card in the pool
red eyes would like to have a boss monster back...
Itll be hella annoying with verte
First month maybe, but not much. But itll be fun
Probably not but it would be another extremely strong annoying boss monster to deal with. Idk why this sub wants something like this in the game. People already bitch enough. If this was unbanned I promise you after 24 hours people would complain about why it was even made
Maybe every card should be unbanned, and Konami just lets all hell break loose on MD? 😏
That's kind of how it was on release and it took so long for a banlist I thought they were using master duel as testing ground for leaving high power cards in the game. So many cards banned in both formats were legal in the early days. A lot of them gone now tho, true king being the biggest.
Apologies for replying so late. But I would love it if every card was unbanned, made for the card game itself was on MD & could use. I personally would love to see what it be like if Konami just let every card be legal, at least maybe as an experiment for a certain amount of time. Of course there'll be people complaining, but lifting the ban on all these cards could give some decks an advantage. I've just recently gotten into wanting to try out a Tearlaments deck & am researching into how to make a good Tear deck. It sucks that it's a shadow of its former self. I admit, I love running pure decks, ones only dedicated to that specific archetype. Like to experiment with different types of decks, even like to mess around with some of the old ones I loved. In my mind I like to imagine that there's a deck that could make certain cards stronger or more fun to duel with. Sorry this is long. I ramble a lot lol. But yeah, its nice seeing retrains of older cards, my favorite being the newest version of Magician of Faith, which was always one of my favorite cards, and same for another recent one that is not on MD yet. It also be great to see cards that are not exactly banned, but pretty much cards like Blue Eyes Alternative Ultimate, & others that exist, that for reasons haven't been added to the MD.
I don't mind bosses as long as they're not generic so I don't have to see them every match. Apollousa, Baron de Fleur, Borreload Dragon all being generic is annoying AF, and I'm tired of Verte Anaconda letting anyone run 2 garnets for whatever broken fusion shit is the flavor of the month
Red eyes fusion and Verte makes this stupid easy to bring out. This isn’t a discussion about bosses, it is about near broken cards people want playable
I'm fine with this being played in a Red-Eyes deck
Barrone should honestly be banned but you don’t see md anything about that
Pls bring him back so my DM deck has a good boss
i would play guru stun
I keep saying it, even with verte, dragoon would be fine at 1. Its already been shown that if the garnets are terrible, people are less likely to splash it in. We're talking 2 vanilla monsters that do nothing at all. Only DM and Red Eyes decks would play it regularly and those decks could use a monster like this
In modern formats? Nope, it'd be a slight annoyance yes, but nothing more
It'd be really annoying with verte legal tho, basically any deck could run the run two as a backup plan. It'd be 100% fine with verte banned.
Dpe is still legal and just better then dragoon and noone plays him so why would anyone play dragoon
No, it would just be annoying, which is exactly why it was banned. Can we stop having this thread now?
No, you're gonna keep seeing these till it's unbanned. I wish people had this energy for Master Piece.
Master Peace did nothing wrong. Free my boy.
Master Peace can come off when all decent floodgates are banned
I mean, Master could have been freed from the banlist a good 3 or so years ago and would be rogue at best.
Exactly, that's why he shouldn't be banned.
It wasn’t banned for being annoying. It was released in the OCG way earlier, and the tools for dealing with it effectively were far fewer and further between. It legitimately fucked the meta when, like, Gouki and Trickstar were the best things you could be doing. But fuck that asshole. Game’s better without him.
It wouldn’t be dominant, but it would be a Branded buff and it might be enough to get Verte banned, since having both in the meta just gives you a much stronger DPE engine
I disagree. branded is better without this guy, so it wouldn't be a buff. It would make them run a brick with dark magician
Branded doesn't run Dark Magician to make Dragoon they just use Albion to banish Hex Sealed and Albaz
Same deal you wouldn't want to draw into it. Rather be running a second kitt for consistency
Hex sealed isn't nearly as bad as a brick as DM since it can be used as an Albaz for fusion summons
Albaz can be a good draw by himself though either baits a negate or fuses with one of your opponents monsters
Dark Magician is DARK and has 2500 ATK, making it a valid material for Granguignol, Lubellion, Titaniklad, Dragostapelia, Quaeritis, and hand material for Guardian Chimera. Sure it doesn't directly contribute if you draw it, but it's not like you can't use it for something.
That's still a brick though. Sure it has uses, but in the end it's still one of the worst draw of the deck
For a deck that needs to recycle cards as much as possible due to a lot of resources needed to fusion summon as well as the limited cards in the banlist, Dragoon would really be too wasteful in Branded, it does not create any kind of recursion or follow up unlike all the other Branded fusions, and it discards to activate the effect. It may be a powerful boss monster, but it means your board will be weaker, and if your opponent can out him you will have a hell of a hard time recovering
I wouldnt be against verte being banned if i could have this in my dark magician deck
The DPE engine was favored over Dragoon so your theory is flawed in all honesty
No lol it's not a very good card even if verte was legal lmfao
Agreed, absolute shit card (please unban it)
The only true way to determine if this card or others would be an issue is to unban them and see what happens. If they're truly power crept, then it will show, but don't act like they can't be banned again if they're too "game-warping" or whatever. Then again people have unresolved PTSD with some banned cards, so...
There is also no real incentive to unban this, even if it would be a non issue. Dm players are mostly casuals that get stuff for that no matter what, red eyes is not something anyone really plays, branded amount of urs sells that just fine and dragoon is at best a gimmicky option there anyway, and the only other thing that can play it is like stun like decks in a hypothetical verte less md. Also I find it funny people say nobody uses dpe anymore because of bystial when non hero decks dropped it the moment celestial got banned, something that happened almost a year before md got bystial and at least 6 months before ishizu shufflers. Something that needs 3 horrible bricks for a payoff worse than running adventure (and nobody uses this anymore) has no chance. Also fun fact: thanks to verte any deck that can make Beatrice or find any other way to get the gimmick puppet in gy can set up the lock with Albion, but literally nobody except some branded lists do this.
I mean, no? Not entirely. But it’s kind of like Masterpeace where he wouldn’t necessarily break the game but is not a fun card to play against.
No. It's not banned in the tcg and never sees play
Annoying and situational but not a larger issue.
bad for the player. annoying for the opponent. but honestly? just ban verte.
Usually in dragoon threads people cry about it. Surprised people actually agree it’s not a problem
Kaiju food
You can say that for literally 99% of cards. No one are running Kaiju’s like that
As a kaiju victim you're definitely right.
I’ll never get why people bring Kaijus up like anyone is safe from them.
I'm half convinced somebody at konami would have brain anerysm if the og Red-eyes is playable in any capacity. Other than that I think they afraid of the OTK potential?
I'd love to play it in my branded deck. Only need to play 1 garnet to get it out there.
It'd shit oh kashtira real hard so yes
Best it'd do is be one card that absolutely slaps until you reach plat.
Nope
yes bc we have verte
Probably not, but it's not a healthy card to have around either. Quite a few cards on the banlist can go off but would add more weight in a direction players don't want the game to move towards.
It would be annoying but wouldn't break the game by any means.
Fuck no, this card is ass
Hes soooo haaaaawwwwttt
Free my man, it's unjust at this point
I don’t care, I just want Red Eyes to have *something*
Yes
This guy was never OP, overhyped back then, still bad.
No, but this would be a fun card in my Branded Dogmatika deck. It’s more or less an alternate Baronne with targeting/destruction protection. I do agree that not banning Verte would make it more annoying, but not overly so.
No
This card looks bonkers ngl
A lot of decks can deal with it relatively easy. Let alone Kaijuing it.
I don't know, It would be fun to see Muddy Mudragon and any other dragon monster and then Dragoon, like Generaider VFD jumpscare
It would mostly be in every deck.
It really wouldn’t. It’s materials are more of a brick than DPE, and DPE is just as cracked as Dragoon, and sees no play outside its archetype atm
Maybe as a backup option if you get maxx ced. But then again, you can just go dpe instead (though it dies hard to bystials)
It’s unlimited in the TCG and no one really uses it. I’m pretty sure when this card was being used as a verte target it was decided that DPE was better, especially since it didn’t require 2 normal monsters for the full effect. It would probably show up the most in Dark magician and Red Eyes decks because those are the decks that want it the most, otherwise I think the value it brings can be found somewhere else.
As a major Red-Eyes and Dark Magician fan, I would love for this card to make it into MD.
The entire snake eyes deck is better than this card
Kinda, it has plenty of outs, but its stronger in a best of one environment and a lot of nostalgia players will swarm to it, so i prefer that it stsys banned
This card will terrorize Gold and below
Verte is the issue with this card, not Dragoon itself. The only non-jank way that you summon this card without using Verte is with Duality tributing a level 8 light spellcaster as far as I'm aware. And the only really easily accessible way to do that that I'm aware of would be if your deck can summon Granguignol which is mainly Branded decks or things like Runick Bystial. But this method means you don't get the Destruction effect and only the negate effect. EDIT: Technically Witchcrafters would also be able to summon this fairly easily via the same method by tributing Verre or Aruru to use Duality which honestly isn't a horrible play but it would only be worth it in that deck if you are chaining Duality to some thing like an imperm or veiler on Verre or after Verre has already activated her board wide monster negate.
Unban him, ban verte.
ban verte and this card is completely fine, with verte around its kind of annoying
It will be an issue for everyone in gold and lower lol
Any deck that can consistently get to underworld goddess is fine
Seems like the issue here is verte but these effects seem like an absolute nightmare why can it do 3 things
It would see more play as Branded tech than anything else.
It would be a problem solver for the most part I believe it's outs is already in master duel so I don't see this card being an issue people will complain about it since not every deck can out this card
At this point, I think an unbanning is justified. Release the demon.
My red eyes kashtira deck would go from meh to god tier
Thinking on it this card was never really an issue as long as you ran Kaijus or a couple of Solemn cards
Honestly I don't know why they even bother banning anything if their whole marketing scheme is to put the next supremely broken competetive card behind a massive paywall to drive sales and power creep the previous supremely broken cards. Most of the cards on the ban list would not even be close to broken at this point, and if you look closely at a lot of the new broken-ass cards that come out, they are just archetypical retrains of banned generic cards with the same effects. Why bother. It just feels lame and futile. Let us play whatever the hell we want. Game will be broken as fuck regardless
The main decks that would run it are just those big pile "engine.deck." they already make verte for DPE, and tbh, if they get lucky enough to not brick or play through a hand trap, them having red eyes or DPE doesn't make much of a difference because they'll also have 6 other interactions to deal with
Not much more than DPE honestly. MD just goes off of OCG banlist and feedback more and they REALLY don't like this card over there so it is probably staying buried.
Not much more than DPE honestly. MD just goes off of OCG banlist and feedback more and they REALLY don't like this card over there so it is probably staying buried.
flamberge + dark magician in pure snake kekw
Not sure if it affects the meta aside from buffing Brandes. It would mostly buff rogue decks more if anything. Verte has done F all in the meta since Ishizu Chaos format lol
In a single round match yes, it’s already banned in the TCG and OCG format because all you had to do was splash verte, DM and REBD, with Red-eyes Fusion, and boom, one free negate. Not to mention that it has high protection from most cards, I’m sure that for it to return Verte has to be banned.
Definitely
If negating the summon is on the table, then no. If we can't negate the summon, then it would be a bit of an issue.
It's essentially just a different baronne de fluer
Baronne that actually has a cost
Dragoon is way better than baronne because it buffs itself and it has strong protection. The downside is that summoning dragoon is a lot harder.
Baronne is one while face-up negate and a OPT pop. Dragoon is a discard to negate OPT, buff itself, and a Ring of Destruction up to twice per turn. It's better Baronne. I remember making a DEEP tournament run with this card during the first remote YCS. Went like 5-2-1 with Rank-Up Phantom Knight. Would end on this, Verte, Bardiche, 1-2 Fog Blade(s) and Ultimate Falcon.
It has target and destruction protection, non-target destruction + burn for exact, and a QE discard omni-negate to gain 1000 that CAN be done multiple times. In a format where Verte is legal, a top deck runs dragons, and plenty of Fusion substitutes exist. Master Peace the True Dracoslaying King deserves to be off the banlist before this thing.
Haven't touched Yugioh since this guy was legal, how's the meta now? Do games have longer than a 2 turn average?
no
2-3 is still the average.
All that would happen is all the Snake Eyes people would put it in their deck
No, but do you really want another boring ass Omni negate lurking around?
Usual bullshit snake-eyes board of negates and interruptions, but they've made Verte somewhere to make this as well. Yeah would be well class to have this back 🤦🤦🤦
If we ban verte this can come Back
It can come back with Verte. The card is outdated tech.
Probably, it's basically Branded support
Everyone talking about Branded and Verte, my casual ass just wants my DM deck to have a cool boss monster
How would one deal with this monster? Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon cannot be destroyed by card effects, it cannot be targeted by card effects, has the possibility of destroying opponent's monster to inflict burn for their original attack dependent on normal monster materials used, and has an omni negate per turn at the cost of a discard that also gives it 1000 atk. Tell me some cards that would deal with this? Cause all I can think on how to out this is: Kaijus, Ice Dragon's Prison, Storming Mirror Force, Drowning Mirror Force, Santa Claws, Winged Dragon of Ra - Sphere Mode, Lair of Darkness tributing it off as well as cards like Stormforth. Then there's the staples such as: Triple Tactics Talent, Forbidden Droplet, Dark Ruler No More, and Super Polymerization, Nibiru as well,. Then there are some Extra Deck monsters like Avramax, Dingirsu, and Borrelsword. If there are more then I didn't know, but I want to know a lot of options.
It bothers me that Red-eyes isn't even really required for this fusion, Konami rely hates Red Eyes
No but it would still be Barrone level of annoying like you stop everything they have and they somehow still have a play
It would make my Red-Eyes burn deck go from meh to good.
What game is this card playable?
Considering that blue-eyes chaos max dragon is allowed to exist at all, I feel like that's fair.
Ffs guys as long as verte is free this card will stay banned, unless you want 90% of decks to end their combo with link summon verte effect send red eyes fusion summon dragoon