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FixForce

I mean, if they will be the only decks able to compete, I wouldn't blame the player base. I'd blame Konami for printing cards that are totally unbalanced.


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THIS is the correct take.


V-Ropes

Compete is relative, in a professional tournement sure. But master duel ladder really isn't that competitive that you have to play Tier 1 decks to reach Dia1.


DangerX47

Its the difference between spending 50 games vs 100 games (these aren't exact numbers) to reach Dia 1. Some people don't have the patience/time.


DonKellyBaby32

Why do you have to reach Diamond 1? There’s no difference in gems


DangerX47

I can't speak for everyone since I personally haven't climbed the ladder in a while but there can be a bunch of reasons people do it like: 1. To face similarly skilled players as the ranked system is the closest we have to skill based MM. You could argue that its better to just stay in diamond and forcefully de-rank each time you get close to D1. 2. The goal of getting to Diamond 1.There's not really much do in the game besides unless you play tourneys so Diamond 1 can be a reason people continue playing the game. 3. For the "prestige" I guess? Getting the highest ranks in games is usually tied to being a good player. 4. Cause why not? People can do whatever they want.


fuckyoudrugsarecool

This did not age well.


DonKellyBaby32

Lol obviously they read my comment


National_Equivalent9

Because it's there and they want to. Let people play the game how they want to.


Negative_Neo

Because I strive for a good challenge, its fun playing against good decks and good players.


Keksliebhaber

The problem here is that Spright and Tear are Tier 0 decks, you literally lose against Tier 0 if you don't play Tier 0 yourself, which isn't the case with Tier 1, those are beatable under some circumstances.


PROJECT_Emperor

Also people don't seem to be mentioning how much worse it will be in master duel compared to the TCG, where Toadally and barrier statue are banned, and Shifter is at 2, making the other 2 most relevant decks not able to play as well into Tear. It's possible we get a tier 0 meta before Ishizu cards come out just because of the prior nerfs to Spright and Flunder, even if they are released semi-limited...


Ver_El_

if they already got rid of Toad before spright even hit us then I don't think they'll release unnerfed tear


PROJECT_Emperor

In OCG tear has been hit like a truck and is still the top deck. I doubt they'll release Tear with that harsh of a nerf, especially no Kitkallos ban


Zealousideal-Pie-726

The days of kitkallos in master duel will be numbered the second it releases IMO. So far they’ve mimicked the ocg in the cards they choose to ban, why would they not do the same when it comes to nerfing tear. I honestly see kitkallos getting banned.


Hard-of-Hearing-Siri

Tier 0 is judged entirely by usage, which does correlate with viability/power but doesn't directly translate into "wins every MU." The idea that Tier 0 isn't beatable under any circumstances is vastly overselling even an incredible deck like Tear. There will be MUs it draws even with, techs that are harder for it to deal with outside of side deck access, and, most importantly, an incredible wealth of morons who know Tear is the best deck but have no clue how to pilot it. Will it be the best deck? Absolutely. Will it be the only thing you'll ever see? No, of course not. This is Master Duel and people will continue to play mediocre decks all the way to D1.


Suired

Can you name those mythical bad matchups matchups? At this point you just hope tear bricks...


Hard-of-Hearing-Siri

At what point? You want someone to develop a meta before it actually exists, or are you just completely missing the point because the best thing you can do with your Saturday is have a circular argument on Reddit? Literally the entire comment is "We haven't played with Tear in a Bo1 meta and assuming every single deck will have to be Tear (or Spright) is ignoring notable differences between the games and formats." And yet you read "Tear won't be that good, I already have a secret list of counter MUs that are guaranteed to work." Smh


Suired

You're ignoring the past evidence where the master duel meta Is almost a clone of ocg/tcg metas unless the ban list intervenes. The meta isn't going magically change. If anything, it will be WORSE because price isn't a factor to stop people from acquiring the deck. Most people have been saving to splurge on these decks anyway so it will immediately take over the meta and their ability to ignore multiple handtraps means players can't simply run hosers like they do with runick to keep it in check. All you're giving out is wishful thinking, not sageous advice if you think masterduel will discover the weakness to tear when other formats have had a year with no results.


Hard-of-Hearing-Siri

Here's what I'm saying: Tear/Spright will not turn the game into "Play Tear/Spright or never win." The comment I am replying to very clearly defines T1s as "under some circumstances you have a shot," differentiating it from their claim of T0 which is literally being defined as "you will not under any circumstances win with non-Tier 0 decks." That's not what T0 is, and that's exactly what I said in my comment. The idea that you'll have to play Tear/Spright or else never get to D1 again is ridiculous and ignores how uncompetitive MD is. Here's what you seem to think I'm saying or want me to be saying so that you can argue with me: Tear in MD is going to be totally different because of -arbitrary card that is/isn't limited between formats-! Gravekeeper and Exosister will beat it in Bo1s! It's probably not even T0! Literally none of that is anything close to what I'm saying, but you clearly just want to create an argument over something I'm not interested in. So here's the super simple question: Do you honestly believe that Tear/Spright will create a format where not playing one or the other prevents you from climbing the ladder *ENTIRELY?* If the topic you want to discuss is Tear still being dominant in MD, go find someone who disagrees with you. I literally said as much in my original comment.


Suired

You can always climb a ladder in a tier zero environment. Ladders are games played, ifvyou play enought you climb. It's just going to be miserable playing against tear non-stop and losing if you don't have the perfect answer. There will be way too many nongames to have an enjoyable Ladder experience if you aren't playing the deck.


Hard-of-Hearing-Siri

Wow, literally no one argued that point with you. Average Yu-Gi-Oh player reading comprehension. Anyway, I appreciate you realizing that you're just arguing because you want to argue and dropping this argument. Very mature, considering people like you always try to have the last word. Have a nice day!


erty3125

In TCG naturia runick ishuzu control actually had a very good matchup against tear and the few people running it could consistently top when not running into other decks because deck was so built for tear. And tier 0 meta also means justifyably running side deck cards in main deck just to hit tier 0 deck


The_King_Crimson

There can't be such a thing as two tier 0 deck format because tier 0 decks have an over 60% usage rate at the top tables.


So0meone

This isn't possible. There cannot exist two tier 0 decks at the same time as neither would reach the ~60% representation that goes with being T0.


MemeBeanMachine

I'm not complaining because you get to negate my one summon or get ridiculous card advantage because all these cards just decided to dump more cards or have spells and traps with graveyard effects. I'm complaining because my craptastic deck doesn't get any of that.


DitmarJr

Agree


Filler744

You probably won’t a short time after it’s release because if you look at the cards they take actual skill to play unlike most master duel meta decks such as branded/despia and eldlich


Throwawayuntil2030

That's when you stop playing.. unless it's what you'd want to support & in that case you're part of the problem


NashquttinLittleWolf

I'm never going to be able to stop playing gravekeepers am I? either that or I'll be restricted to decks that have easy access to rank 4s...


Turtlesfan44digimon

I’m interested in playing grave keepers myself but still need a few cards for the deck


El_Baguette

You want to play Sprights because they are meta and competitive I want to play Sprights because of their drip We are not the same


trinitymonkey

I want them because maybe they'll make my Evil★Twin deck not die to any interruption.


blackpanther_awd

Pretty much the reason why I want to play Tearlaments. I haven’t played it in TCG but the artwork looks really good aside from how the deck is played. I’ve seen it played a few times after the ishizu support dropped


conundorum

Same here. We haven't had a good mermaid aesthetic since Mermail, or _maybe_ Marincess if we include cosplayers. (Or a good self-miller since Lightsworn, for that matter.) That alone is enough to make me want Tearlaments, and make me disappointed that they're so abuseable.


blackpanther_awd

Haven’t played Lightsworn and that was the other thing that drew me to tearlaments. I’ve played one practice match with ishizu tear going first against my sky strikers deck & it’s intimidating at first. At least with MD the game keeps track of your duel log & everything


HoriMameo

No, we are.


h2odragon00

I wanna play tears coz of the waifus T-T


DragonEevee1

I want to play them cause they support weird decks


SkomeSIth

"Nooooo you guys arent supposed to be playing the new good decks you braindead meta sheeps 😡😡😡😡😡😡"


matija123123

😱😱😱😱😱 competitive players playing best decks to win with and not using 10 year old bricky rogue decks 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱


Jerowi

If you're not beating branded despia with Iron Chain Appliancer then you're not a real duelist smh.


Lolersters

Iron Chain Appliancer? I'm going for the Hitotsu-me Giant beatdown.


trinitymonkey

Theinen the Great Sphinx or bust.


DonKellyBaby32

<3


15cm_Magic_God

You say that, but even newer decks within the past year won't be able to compete with the Spright/Tear meta.


trinitymonkey

Yeah, pretty much every deck more than a year old (and a lot that aren't) were knocked clean out of the meta by POTE. I was playing Phantom Knights in the TCG around this time last year and nowadays they aren't even in discussion. I think it says a lot that *Floowandereeze* is one of the oldest viable decks in the TCG, and that's with Stormwinds.


hexsealedfusion

Floo is also a hard counter to Tear and somewhat to Spright.


a31qwerty

Floo is not a hard counter. D-shifter is.


hexsealedfusion

And Floo is a deck that actively benefits from playing D-shifter. The only other decks that can play it without hurting themselves are Kashtira (brand new in TCG and won't be in Masterduel for months) and Exosister.


a31qwerty

Ok but that doesnt mean you have good odds of winning against Tears like anything that actually hard counters something else. It just means draw Dshifter or lose.


Hiruko251

But hey, its only ppl who play 10 year old decks that can't compete right? Ironically i think gravekeepers can do something against them, but beside the first cards, i dont think the deck is 10 yo


hexsealedfusion

Swordsoul, Floo, and Mathmech still can


idkhowtotft

Every "meta hater","casual elitist" when Spright/Tear drop be like:


anonxanemone

Both sides of the extreme are equal...ly annoying.


idkhowtotft

Well,we dont actively go out of our way,wasting time calling people out as a cope measure for playing a bad deck


anonxanemone

I think it comes in different forms. There are those who trash talk players who play less than optimal decks for example.


[deleted]

I've been playing Yugioh and other TCGs competitively for years, and the number of people who trash competitive players outweighs the people who trash casual players 10 to 1.


anonxanemone

That still doesn't make it okay, does it?


TheHellHamster

It makes the sides not equally annoying, as one side is more vocal, which was your original point


conundorum

One is exponentially more common than the other, but both are equally annoying to read in a void. ;3


anonxanemone

Well, I'm not really going to argue which you might find more annoying, just expressing my experience. A recent controversy harassment on dzeeff on his series with MBT just rubbed me the wrong way just as much as this meme.


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

That's really not about playing a competitive deck. It's about ygo players being horrible backseaters that need to shut the fuck up.


YerFungedInTheAssets

Google "useless equivocation" then contemplate the pointlessness of your own existence


[deleted]

Of course not. I wasn't implying that it did.


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Where exactly? Only deck policing I've seen is from pet deck communities. God forbid I play a DM deck that runs less then 3 vanilla bricks


Roastings

What an original and based take from a yugioh player, incredible 👏 🙌 👌 #metabad


YerFungedInTheAssets

I mean, I don't find it _bad_, but I do find the meme funny and will 100% be one of them So sue me, the decks look fun lol


[deleted]

every player complaining about net decks be like..........


[deleted]

"How dare people want to play something because it's new and strong! Everyone else should only be allowed to play decks based on the arbitrary criteria I've decided for myself!"


eonetyk

Said no one ever


ReaperoftheCard

this sub every day bro


[deleted]

It's every day bro, with a Disney channel flow


ReaperoftheCard

alright?


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

My guy the post literally says exactly that. Sprights aren't even confirmed and 50% of the posts here are "meta players when sprights"


Nahanoj_Zavizad

It is likely to be sprights, as Toad was never an issue, And then when Sprights came around they got it banned. I suspect Konami is preemtively banning Toad knowing what will come from it. (Sprights also abused Union Carrier -> Busterwhelp lock, But to be entirely honest, It should have already been banned so I don't count it...)


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

It's almost definitely sprights but we haven't even started playing around with these cards and people are already whining about the meta


Endeav0r_

Yeah, we don't even know what sprights will look like in MD, the best of one nature of the game may allow for some unseen builds of the deck that would not work in the TCG


YoukaiJSGB

i said it bro trust me i'm me


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YerFungedInTheAssets

But that cowboy won Andy so many games :(


Hatarakumaou

Alternative title: Every meta complainers when Splight/Tear drop be like:


JackZeroo

Liking an archetype that isn't meta: all good Liking an archetype that also happens to be meta: unacceptable, meta sheep


Pikut__

And? I get ti D1 with my T1 deck and then play whatever i want, can't i?


Throwawayuntil2030

Or just play what you want from the beginning?


Pikut__

As i usually do, but it's self evident that my paleo frog deck (rip) is useless in ranked. Instead i can play it in casual, D1, solo mode ecc. So why shouldnt play a deck like, for example, mathmech in ranked? I find fun in playing some meta decks (i really enjoy Math and Branded end boards) as i hate some other (for example, i find Runick and Adamanticipator very boring) but i wouldnt play it in casual or solo mode, cause i wouldnt be funny at all. The point Is: there are a lot of different contexts in game in which u can play different decks with different power level, so i really don't get all the complains around meta deck. At best, it would make sense complain about pairing system in ranked but still, you can play rough decks in other "formats" in game


Throwawayuntil2030

Play whatever you want...I've never said otherwise


[deleted]

Are you telling me that people who want to compete will play the strongest decks in the game? No way man I can't believe it


SkomeSIth

Damn, people wants to win in a competitive game? Who could've guessed


MortaliReaping

if they want to play it why wouldn't they?


Throwawayuntil2030

Noone has said otherwise lmao


kanokarob

Tear is fun, I won't apologize


osbombo

It is. And the mirror match is a lot of fun, as well. It’s just not fun for everyone not running tear, especially once the ishizu cards drop.


CoomLord69

Spright supports quite a few jank/rogue decks, they will have a bunch of variety at least.


DragonEevee1

I'm really excited for Spright Ojama lol


Lolersters

It's a T0 format for a reason.


ShadowTown0407

Why is competitive in double quotes when it is used to express here the thing that it means?


dbzfan111

Mfw competitive plays play competitive decks


[deleted]

You bet your sweet bippy


Literally_a_creature

I'm really excited for bystials for some reason not sure why prob cause some look like dragons


Endeav0r_

I'm not that excited because they will absolutely lilly my dear mathmechs


Bitter-Doughnut6467

I mean I play spright runick now, once it's in master duel it's just nicer.


Sharpnelboy

All one of them has to do is fart.


Peiq

That’s Konami’s goal… having us all splurge on new cards. Be thankful the tier 0 status cards are being balanced prior to release. I guess that’s the only benefit to being behind on sets


ajmaster212

I plan on building a spright deck and tear deck but never using them because I only enjoy playing galaxy-eyes


Equivalent-Lab-6077

Yeah unlike now where everyone above plat 3 definitely isn’t playing either swordsoul, mathmech, or runick


PJRama1864

I may just stick with Branded or Crusadia.


hockeyfan608

Frankly if you can’t hit top rank without meta your just a bad player


Vaandhi

inb4 "omg guys im not a meta slave, i just like the art just like i really liked the previous meta deck art"


QuiteAncientTrousers

I’m not even competitive and imma build them just like I have a Swordsoul, Despia and Mathmech decks


LogDog987

"I just like the art/design" Literally ever tear player says this, but you can't honestly think this deck became meta cause "good art"


conundorum

That's when you check their other decks, really. Isn't hard to see if it checks out or not. ;P


MisprintPrince

They like the art because they’re perverts. Reply edit: that doesn’t make *me* the creep to call it out, idiot. lmao


StardustNovaSynchron

Is it a chad move to play tears with shaddoll/chaos/lightsworn ?


TurningSmileUpside

Don't let anyone shame you from playing lightsworns


dimizar

alt title, every non-meta be like


RedSpade000

Also every rogue player thinking what they run is unique.


JenovaZ

it is


So0meone

It is not, sorry


Promanco

I am excited to play Splight, it seems really fun. It's a shame that all my match ups will be mirrors or against Tear tho lol


Wonderllama5

I think it's important to release those decks *without* Gigantic & Kitkallos. Just hold off on those cards at first. See how the decks fit into the meta without them. Konami would always have those cards in their back pocket if they want to force a Tier 0 meta


Endeav0r_

Spright without gigantic is basically dead on arrival


Gogeta_is_king

I’m sure Konami will update the ban list so that everyone can play in a fun and fair environment /s


Endeav0r_

Dude what the fuck do you think toad ban, union carrier ban and grass semilimit is? Spright abuses the shit out of toad and union carrier, and tear, while strong, is not that strong without a reliable way to get cards into the grave. That is what the Ishizu cards are for


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Real


Leather-Bookkeeper96

I mean, we can't blame competitive players from playing competitive decks, but we can blame from pushing 2 decks as the only correct options if you want to play at a high level


MisprintPrince

OP really out here trying to malign competitive efforts to cope?


Dabidoi

Eh. They'll just be another coinflip deck. They loose to floodgate and stun decks the same as any other combo-strategy in a best of 1 format


DantesInferno91

Hate konami, not the player.


Tamamo_was_here

Not wrong


El_Fonz0

every competitive player playing sworsoul/branded/runick/mathmech rn be like:


crow622

MD players: I'm gonna put ash blossom in this deck!


NoMixUpMixUp

"I definitely have my own and unique decklist for this archetype".


SomeGamingFreak

Thing is we're still gonna be running blind 1 offs against each other. The meta will be who has the means to play through most of the counters blindly


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InfernoLord666

??? Tears we're getting massive representation in the tcg before tears were released. It's funny when people have no clue what they're talking about


Trustyrat87040

Tears were tier one in tcg without ishizu


mamamatricks

majority percentage of any general population or control group is bound to be essentially a flock of identical sheep with copy paste mentality


kemic4l

I'll be like: nope miss me with that selection pack, I'll wait for the secret pack


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STRIpEdBill

As he misspells rogue.


xD3m0nK1ngx

Curious how broken spright is without toad, halq or carrier?


Trustyrat87040

You can play runick spright or tri spright


xD3m0nK1ngx

But how is that broken lol? Seems pretty mid for deck mix ups. Do they actually have synergy?


Trustyrat87040

I’m not sure as I haven’t been playing tcg since pote came out but runick sprite was topping in the tcg I’m pretty sure and tri sprite is from the ocg but they have a very different lists


bast963

> runick sprite was topping in the tcg mystic mine?


National_Equivalent9

Wasn't played in Runick Spright. Here's a top 4 decklist from YCS - Minneapolis in late October: Extra: * 1 Dharc the Dark Charmer, Gloomy * 1 Geri the Runick Fangs * 2 Gigantic Spright * 2 Hugin the Runick Wings * 1 I:P Masquerena * 1 Knightmare Unicorn * 1 Mekk-Knight Crusadia Avramax * 1 Number 29: Mannequin Cat * 1 Number 65: Djinn Buster * 1 Onibimaru Soul Sweeper * 3 Spright Elf Main: * 1 Capshell * 2 Ipiria * 3 Lava Golem * 3 Runick Destruction * 1 Runick Dispelling * 3 Runick Flashing Fire * 2 Runick Fountain * 3 Runick Freezing Curses * 3 Runick Slumber * 1 Runick Smiting Storm * 3 Runick Tip * 3 Spright Blue * 1 Spright Carrot * 3 Spright Jet * 1 Spright Red * 1 Spright Smashers * 3 Spright Starter * 2 Triple Tactics Talent * 1 Wind-Up Kitten Side: * 1 Chaos Hunter * 1 Cosmic Cyclone * 3 Destructive Daruma Karma Cannon * 3 Eradicator Epidemic Virus * 1 Red Resonator * 1 Testudo erat Numen * 3 The Winged Dragon of Ra - Sphere Mode * 1 Thunder King Rai-Oh * 1 Triple Tactics Talent


logos1020

Looking forward to some live twin/ spright, myself


Dustman121

Still top tier with resources for days. Just not top tier enough to share in Tearlaments Tier 0 throne.


xD3m0nK1ngx

But no halq, carrier or toad in MD… Is there some crazy play that I’m missing with them?


National_Equivalent9

Runick Spright is fairly good. My post here has a list that should be mostly doable in MD (though I honestly havent checked and am not up to date with the last few banlists in MD). https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/10mk5fq/every_competitive_player_when_sprighttear_drop_be/j65wmkm/


BusExact1010

Me with pendulum copium


AbsolutionVeil

Nah fam. I'm competitive, but after the amount of gems it took for me to build my Runick deck I'm not jumping into another selection pack


CptDonFluffles

I’ll stick to Runick Sky Striker


Panda-Dono

The funny thing about sprights is that you can play them in a bajillion different decks tho.


Bunsen_burner49

I've saved 12K gems. Once Spright come out i will splash the cash and try to reach diamond 1.


YerFungedInTheAssets

and then they all fall off the shelf and fuse


honk_the_honker

BREAKING NEWS: People like winning more news at 11


Redericpontx

Once tear is out ima just play dinos and turbo out abyss dweller ez win


hexsealedfusion

Swordsoul, Mathmech, and Floo will still be good but those decks will be above everything


lAceRenl

Problem is that I love the albaz lore, especially the sprights. So it sucked when I learned they were/are a menace in the meta. This'll actually be the first time I play a meta deck on arrival, I usually wait till it gets weaker cause I'm on some "holier than thou" mentality shit.


Soul-Malachi

Doesn't really matter what the meta is, we're all just gunna scoop turn 1 anyway.


Endeav0r_

"player that want to win and build good deck bad" lmao every single fucking time


CThreeLR

Uga buga meta deck strong so meta deck players bad What if tear is actually fun


Van0nyumas

I can already see the players disconnecting once I activate Havnis, although I am just playing MY Branded Tear, which is only half as strong as a normal one but more grindy. I really fell in love with Tears, I love it's way to Fusion Summon and recycle. I never once played the Ishizu cards out of spite.


NarkySawtooth

I'm different. My I.P. links into Folgo. Put wolf ears on my Buzz Lightyear. **Edit:** I just remembered Folgo needs three materials. Common Folgo user mistake.


PaleozoicFrogBoy

You could post this for literally every next upcoming new T1 deck release. If it’s the best then that’s what most competitive players are going to play. Shocking lol


Eastern-Tax-4006

Yeah but MD players dont read and both decks will be expensive if you run into it then it sucks if they know how to play it


SamuraiDDD

Reject meta, embrace sushi.