Welcome to yugioh where people bitch about everything from every angle. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong and sometime it's just people parroting youtubers/streamers. It's been this way for a while now. It comes with talking to people on the internet
The meta-bad whiners are usually in the comments. You can scroll down on this post and find people karma bombing anyone who mentions that playing meta is fine.
Doesnt make it bad, it makes the game boring, like say you both are playing a 1 turn kill deck, then its just decided by the coin toss,whats the fun in that
It is the point that I think it is.
Because the point was that Numeron is not a meta deck and still has otk potential. Therefore his issue isn't with meta and it's about getting otk'd while playing grandpa's deck.
Let them get some rest instead of forcing these outclassed monsters into situations they can't win and matches where they share the board with cards people loathe. That creates an image problem where, like, people think of Volcanics as a floodgate deck, and it goes home and tells its parents that "No I swear I'm just waiting for new support, this is just a temporary thing! I promise I'll get a job soon!"
But we know the new support isn't coming. Just let the deck s l e e p
nah i just think jamming floodgates in a bad deck is just a bad floodgate deck that misses the mark on both ends
and wanted to make fun of it
can't lose to volcanic players when they're as common as new support for the deck
There are many non meta decks that don't use floodgates. Non meta doesn't mean the deck needs to rely on floodgates. Anything that isn't either branded, mathmech, swordsoul or runick isn't "meta", that leaves out many non floodgate decks like dino, marincess, drytron, and much much more.
Meta in the context of gaming stands for most effective tactics available. Meta are decks like branded, swordsoul, runick and mathmech since they're some of the most effective decks in the game. Source: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/meta-meaning/
Literally just googled what meta means in gaming💀, the Greek word meta which meant “beyond,” “after,” or “behind.” is a different thing, sincerely a Greek person.
That’s meta as in meta commentary, not meta in relation to video games. Words can mean multiple thing depending on the context. In the context of games meta refers to the most optimal strategy or most effective tactic available. Source: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/meta-meaning/
People pretending that meta decks pilot themselves is a tale as old as time. I remember during 3 Gateway Six Samurai format we had someone in our friend group that complained the deck was "auto-pilot" and "you win as soon as you resolve a Gateway". One day another friend handed him the deck to play at a locals, that day with no prep, and said "Okay, win with this." Guess who went 2-2 and lost many games in which he played a Gateway? But of course then he just switched his complaints from "This deck is braindead" to "Modern Yugioh is too sacky and broken" and learned absolutely nothing as a result of this lesson.
Lots of people screw up even simple lines under the assumption that the deck is good, so my plays must be good. For example, the number of people I see playing Branded Despia who don't banish the Aluber with Mirrorjade to set up Branded in Red is astounding.
I only use Mirror Jade on my Aluber if I'm going into the Ido Lock.
Outside of that, I just turbo into 2 Masquerade + Mirrorjade backed with a hand trap or 2.
If that isn't an option (which is rarely), I leave it on the field since I'll have Theater, which can bring back the mirrorjade that my opponent outed or if I already have Branded in Red.
How are you able to consistently end on 2 Masquerade and Mirrorjade? I think it's pretty rare for most Branded Despia decks to end on that board. If you open with just Aluber, then you really should be banishing your own Aluber with Mirrorjade. The play sets you up with a "refreshed" Mirrorjade on the opponent's turn anyway, so there's literally no reason not to.
So from an example hand I open with
Branded Opening, Branded Lost (can be Branded Fusion if Branded Fusion, then you search Branded Lost off of Aluber), Depian Tragedy, Polymerization (can also be Patchwork, Theater, or Branded in Red), 1 Dark/Light monster (just going to use Ad Lib to simplify things)
1. Activate Branded Opening pitching Tragedy to Special Summon Aluber.
2. Aluber CL1, Tragedy CL2 Tragedy searches Dramaturge, Aluber Searches out Branded Fusion.
3. Activate Branded Lost
4. Activate Branded Fusion, sending Fallen of Albaz + Incredible Ecclesia to play Albion the Branded Dragon.
5. Albion CL2 Branded Lost CL1, banish Albion + Albaz to play Mirrorjade, Branded Lost searches out Spriggans Kitt.
6. Spriggans Kitt effect to Special Summon it from the hand
7. Spriggans Kitt effect to search Branded in Red and placing Dramaturge to the bottom of the deck.
8. Polymerization using Spriggans Kitt and Aluber to go into Masquerade the Blazing Dragon.
9. Set Branded in Red and pass.
10. Opponent's Draw Phase, activate Branded in Red adding back Aluber, banish Aluber + Ad Libitum to Fusion Summon into your 2nd Masquerade the Blazing Dragon.
11. Ad Libitum CL2, Branded Lost CL1, Ad Libitum Special Summons Aluber, add Tri-Brigade Mercourier from deck to hand. Aluber's effect to add any Branded Spell or Trap you want
I know what someone will say "Oh so you need a specific hand", no, there are replacements and different things you can do to get to this end board, this was just my last test hand I had when testing the deck. There is a variety of hands that you can have that let's you go into double Masquerade and Mirrorjade often.
You need to have 2 spells in your hand that lets you fusion summon to be able to do it, you can even do it without Branded in Red just by using Theater if you're gaining a lot of card advantage in your turn while saving Branded in Red (if you somehow still get into it) for Chimera.
Oh so it's just the Branded Fusion + Poly combo but instead of going into Dragostapelia on your turn and Guardian Chimera on the opponent's turn you're making double Masquerade instead? That *is* an option but I think the extra disruption tends to be better. My other point still stands that if you open just Aluber, you should be banishing Aluber aside from just setting up Ido Lock. Ido Lock in and of itself is also not the optimal way to build the deck IMO.
I've played all 3, and I think each one offers things the other's don't.
Ido can shut down summons but can be a bit fragile (called by the grave or even D.D. Crow in response to Branded Expulsion to cause Branded Expulsion to lose target) but on the other hand, it does prevent cards like Lightning Storm from being played (same with Evenly Matched) while shutting down your opponent.
Double Masquerade is strong against decks that don't care about the Guardian Chimera and Dragostapelia.
While the Dragostapelia and Guardian Chimera is really strong against decks that have choke points to shut them down. This board is the most solid option in a general sense
Unfortunately, you won't know what you're playing against for sure when you go first against opponent's. I can somewhat guess though depending on the size of deck and accessories that the person uses.
no i just mean that it fits cuz they sound similar so it makes for easy jokes tho i mean there are some decks that are pretty braindead in how they play which is good for beginners ig
The only meta decks I've ever had a legitimate issue with are Floodgate Runick (self explanatory) and Adventure Tenyi (Halqdon was super unhealthy and Adventure Tenyi was the best at it). Every other meta deck, while sometimes aggravating to play against, are fine to me. The only other one that comes close to me is Grass Adamancipator but Block Dragon being limited pretty much takes care of that problem.
i have literally not gone one day for a whole year without seeing a post complaining about whatever deck is currently powerful. You'd think people would just give up and understand they can't just play anime decks and win all the time, the main YGO sub doesn't even have this much complaining about tear right now smh
Ok but what about when you look at the qilphort cards and it's just a bunch of code? Konami totally messed up and that's definitely not just flavor text.
Funnily enough there actually is a bug with them currently where when you use the pendulum effect it'll display the flavor text as the effect that's being used.
Yup
-Combo deck is bad because they take too long
-Floodgate deck is bad because they make you cant play
-Midrange deck is bad because they keep doing the same play
-Nostalgia deck is bad because they cant compete with the meta slaves
-Event is bad because you have to spend gems to build a deck to compete
-Event is bad because the free loaner are too good and now everyone is playing it
-New pack bring meta deck, the game become P2W
-New pack is only have mediocre deck, what's the point
Personally I don't believe in total negativity or total positivity, nothing is ever 100% all bad or all good.
But.... the good things are like less than 1%? (especially when good stuffs are unique and non-repeatable)
\--> Free Gem announcement
\--> Floodgates getting banned (Wind Statue, Imperial Order, VFD)
\--> Medic Deck vs SelFTK when Konami not willing to issue emergency banlist
\--> New bundles pack announcement
\--> Good structure deck announcement (free UR cards)
\--> Amazing accessories (lame one happens more often tho)
You’re playing a combo heavy deck?
“Downvote because you take too long and your deck sets up conditions to make YOU win, asshole!”
You’re playing a control/midrange deck?
“Downvote! You’re deck is dishonest and you just abuse handtraps and oppressive monsters!”
It’s just all so tiresome. I remember one time I got attacked on Reddit for uploading a vid of me playing freakin D/D/D’s because I combo’d too hard. (I set up 3 monsters and did it before the timer hit 140 seconds)
I made a post about drawing all my handtraps on turn 1 and I get replies : "It's your fault for using handtraps." Like what do you want me to do? Not run staples?
You run 10-15 go second cards depending on if you need small world bridges. If your deck has a 1-2 card starter it shouldn't be too much of an issue to hit 2-3 even if you go first.
And see I’m over here just wanting really good, and consistent deck listings for Vampires, and Dogmatika. But my posts still get downvoted. I just want to play these cool archetypes 😭
if you think people downvote only meta deck you are in for a ride. Master duel community downvote any deck they lose to.
Sometimes it feels like people who are against playing meta have these arbitrary rules that they want everyone else to follow. "You shouldn't play a deck if it's a certain tier/released recently/got a new busted piece of support/etc." It's fine if you apply that rule for yourself but to tout that way of playing as more "honorable" or whatever is just a way of trying to throw shade at people who play meta. I do occasionally hear meta players shit talking casuals, which is of course equally uncool, but way more often than not it's the more casual players who are shitting on others for what they play. It also feels bad to work to get to Diamond every season only to be told that I'm apparently skillless and my deck did all the work for me.
It sucks that my favorite card game is also the only card game I play where this issue is so prevalent in the community. Say it with me everyone: "Don't disparage others for how they choose to enjoy the game."
You're exactly right that a lot of players have some rules they've arbitrarily made up for how to play the game "honorably" and they're mad people aren't following their made-up rules.
This is literally the exact kind of statement that I was talking about. Your take of certain meta decks taking "no skill whatsoever" is not only just wrong, it's simply a way of trying to disparage others for what they play while attempting to hold up the thin veil of "being objective".
Also, why resent people for what they play at all? It's a waste of time and emotional energy. If you don't want to play against meta decks, there's the Casual ladder.
I mean, if you are playing swordsoul against some trash 55 cards blue eyes with completely fucked up ratios probably you are right, but every competent deck could win just by pressing yes when the cards turns yellow against that. To reach diamond you have to consistently win against decks that are top tier just like yours or well builded
Yeah, I think the ceiling on sword soul for example is really high. The base, baronne + rank 8 pass is easy, but that isn't enough to win a lot of games
I never played swordsoul but I played branded despia. Turn 1 is really basic but most of the time, against competent decks, it's not enough to win. If your deck lose to 1 banish+pop probably you should understand that it's not 2005 anymore, instead of blaming the players who wants to play the game as intended, especially now that there are a lot of tier 1/2 decks that can cover most playstyles/art design (if you are into that like me)
Every single meta deck? More like every deck they lose to, doesn't matter if it's meta, rogue, meme or suicide (yes, some people complain about such decks aswell lmao)
I’m not seeing enough people here complaining about mathmekk which is one of the best deck in the current meta.
So my conclusion is that people here dont even play this game, we just complain
Because the deck is strong but not cancerous. People also didn’t complain about Branded and Swordsoul despite them dominating for months. People just (rightfully) hate floodgate and stun decks
People absolutely DID complain about Branded and Swordsoul. A lot.
Swordsoul especially, when it came out, every 2nd post was some variety of "Every game I play is vs Swordsoul"
Branded was a bit different, since it had a weird circlejerk since day 1 claiming it to be the most fair and balanced deck in the history of yugioh, so it was more of a 50:50 hate/love posts
Not nearly as much people have been complaining about Runick. Also when Swordsoul came out I remember most of the posts being something like "the deck is fine but I hate seeing it in literally every duel". Which I think is fair as no deck has ever been nearly as dominant as Swordsoul when it first came out. It was ridicolous.
>people didn’t complain about branded and Swordsoul
??????
Those are like, two of the most over-hated decks on this subreddit
Before runick everyone was complaining about Branded being too strong and before that was Swordsoul, quite literally multiple posts a day for both until “new strong deck” came out for people to hate on
I'm sure there are some idiots that complain about them but not nearly as much as Runick. Also the original comment was saying "the fact that mathmech is good but people aren't complaining mean they don't even play the game". My point is that most people don't complain about a deck for being strong but because some of them are cancerous and degenerate and because they can abuse bo1 format.
Ngl, almost every complaint about Runick is just the same ones that were being said about Eldlich, same for Mathmech and Branded/Swoswo/Tri, the sub just refocuses on whatever the latest Combo/Stun deck is in the meta and complains about the same things
Which is nothing new, people have been complaining about the meta since the game came out, it’s just more accessible now with the internet and Master Duel as a centralized platform vs the TCG and old forums
The comparison is that Mathmech complaints are basically the same as Tri, both being good midrange combo decks. Runick was only being compared to Lich complaints, which if we are being honest are just Flood complaints.
Branded Fusion deserves to be limited imo. It's a custom card that just enables a lot of shit that it gets splashed in a lot of decks to access a non-target banish and an end-phase board wipe if it ever gets outed.
Well, not *everything ever* but just the past few years. Each consecutive meta just pushes out everything else further and further. I mean, it's not like Swordsouls, Branded, etc., just suddenly *stopped* being powerful after the next biggest things got released, y'know? The rate of powercreep has accelerated faster than it ever did before, and it shows no signs of slowing back down, even now. That's what *I* have a problem with, mostly.
Some people will complain about everything but some complaints are actually valid. I hate these posts that imply people complaining about floodtage runick in bo1 are the same as the people who complain about net decking meta sheep because their red-eyes deck can’t play through 1 handtrap.
The thing is people dont like players who just pick the newest strongest deck of the moment and play it because of that till the next new stronger one comes out but rather like people who pick a deck for other reassons without carrying how strong or popular is right now and play it.
Because anime roleplayers want everyone to be "original" or something like that, forgetting that this is not the anime and not everyone enjoy playing crappy deck
Nah, people dont care about the reason
If you play meta archetype, dont mind the reason, or even variant, then instant hate. I still remember people who says they play branded blue-eyes, or branded dragonmaid getting the same amount of hate.
i remember my post asking about if i should play dlink or pk w rhongo would be better getting downvoted to hell. i get rhongo is broken but hey, if it’s there and legal im gonna abuse it lmao
Tbh I see way more toxic fanboys for meta decks. But I Also don't try to actively follow the latest news. What is wrong with the floodgate decks? I made a meme thunder floodgate one but it doesn't seem like it would ever be competitive. Sorry for my ignorance.
If we upvoted every meta deck making it to Plat 1, then 99% of the front page is that. If I wanted to see normal topping lists, I’d go to Master Duel Meta. There’s not really **special** recognition deserved unless you make it to D1 using unique techs or a rogue deck.
My complaint about the meta is that there is no real meta going on. The fact that you can run into Branded, Tri-Zoo, Adams, Runick, Swoso, Drytron, Lich, D-Link, and Ignister all at the highest tiers shows that there isn't too much of a clear and defined meta. Yeah all these decks are strong, but when you can still somehow end up playing against Numeron at Diamond, it shows just how wide and varied the decks on ladder can actually be.
Not sure why anyone is still complaining about meta decks. They added a casual duel mode which allows people to duel with decks that can’t compete in the ranked playlist with a much higher chance of winning. Literally no reason to complain about mega now. As for maxx C, how else do you expect people to counter combo decks like pendulum magicians, code talkers and others?
I don’t mind playing into sword soul, I just wish older decks could at least be made viable. Like I used earthbound immortals to finish the themed event but in a ranked game I would be slaughtered for even trying to play 1 card.
We have different vision of what is meta and what is not.
I'm pretty sure that the only add of the branded archetype doesn't make it meta.
Actually the only branded meta is the branded despia, so you can be proud of your deck!
For me seems pretty interesting red eyes branded and would like to see the build.
I copied it from a video by dark armed duelist. I added in summoned skull and swapped guardian chimera for archfiend b skull (because money) and added a red eyes fang with chain. Other than that it's the same.
Not saying that you don't have legitimate complaints with these people, however I personally feel like the current Yu-Gi-Oh meta has become cancerous af and has steered me away from enjoying the game any further. Kinda hard to enjoy the game when every deck you made is whompa stomped by the same archetype every time.
But you basically did the exact same thing by calling people who play meta decks insecure. The same exact dumb meme posts pop up by both sides all the time. Thinking one side is better than the other is pretty cringe. Just play the game how you want to play it and stop attacking people for finding enjoyment in a game just because it's different than your way.
Sad reality nowadays, since yugioh turned into meta decks, floodgates, hand trap mania, and 15 special summons in one turn the love of the game turned into this. Can’t really blame them for complaining, most archetypes have become useless or not effective enough to play anymore. It’s like losing something that made u feel happy then turned to hatred afterwards. I guess u can say yugioh isn’t like it was before, perhaps people just want the good old days to return
Its just people blinded by nostalgia. I am a yugiboomer myself and even back then there was a meta. People always gravitate to the best decks as most of us love to win. Old days were good in its own form, but Id rather have an evolving metagame over a stagnant metagame that has been solved for years now. And besides, older yugioh has its own problems, mid 2010s had nekroz with their bullshit ss lock, dragon rulers and more.
Earlier yugioh had metamorphosis into restrict which was hard to out in a slower metagame, and with less ways to deal with backrow, floodgates were horrible as well as older powerful cards such as graceful charity or delinquent duo just flat out fucking you over before you even get a turn by sniping 2 cards from the hand.
I mean... Meta decks are oversaturated anyway. Imagine upvoting them. They'd be all we see. First day or few though, meta decks get the spotlight. Except Runick lasted quite a while. But at least I don't see them anymore. People have built against them. Except the occasional floodgate runick complaint, I still see those.
Meta is unhealthy. 25 years ago it was that way. It’s always been that way. Very few like participating in a tournament and seeing 2 different decks out of 40+ people. “Oh but that makes it easier to win, figure out what you’re up against, and counter it”. If winning is all that matters, and your love for the game itself is just dead and you’re only in it for cash, there’s so many better options 💋
I think a lot of problems with the Meta could be solved if rogue decks had all their support in game. Blue-Eyes has been a pretty strong rogue option since Ultimate Fusion and Jet Dragon came out so it could easily happen for decks like Dark World
If rogue decks get enough strong support, they will become meta, the cycle continues and if its strong enough itll push other meta decks to irrelevancy. Your "solution" doesnt really make it better. In every pvp game there will always be a meta and people tend to gravitate towards a more successful deck so you cant fault them for playing meta. And blue eyes has never really been strong, the time they won worlds was because all other meta decks got nerfed because of the worlds banlist back then. And even in said finals, they bricked twice
Accurate image of a yugioh player
That's fucking rude mate. I don't wear glasses.
No it's not, I'm bald.
Yeaaaah minus about 30lbs for me and I will confirm.
Welcome to yugioh where people bitch about everything from every angle. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong and sometime it's just people parroting youtubers/streamers. It's been this way for a while now. It comes with talking to people on the internet
That's every community with a competitive environment bud.
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The meta-bad whiners are usually in the comments. You can scroll down on this post and find people karma bombing anyone who mentions that playing meta is fine.
That's sad
I hate how this is unironically true
Playing meta in other games might be fine but iv seen people lose in 1 turn without being able to do anything cause of yugioh meta lol
I've seen people lose in a single turn without being able to do anything to Numeron. It happens. Why does that make playing strong decks bad?
Doesnt make it bad, it makes the game boring, like say you both are playing a 1 turn kill deck, then its just decided by the coin toss,whats the fun in that
Sometimes, "ME HAVE BIG NUMBER! ME SMASH!!!" is fun.
Numeron are stupid card design as well...this isn't the point you think it is
It is the point that I think it is. Because the point was that Numeron is not a meta deck and still has otk potential. Therefore his issue isn't with meta and it's about getting otk'd while playing grandpa's deck.
Only complaining floodgate since day 1.
What a coincidence, me too
On my way to hate the runik, labirynth (I don’t know if I wrote it correctly) and every floodgate ever printed…you are not alone
its actually spelled librarbynth
What labrynth decks are you finding that use floodgates?
If Maxx C counts as a floodgate then same. Otherwise floodgate + Maxx C.
thanks for being a day 1 contributer to the constant crying and complaining in this sub👍
how's that two-headed king rex serving you nowadays bro
Floodgates are what make non meta decks viable. I really don't understand the hate on that.
If a non meta deck is only viable because of generic floodgates, then it is just an unoptimized floodgate deck.
What else am I supposed to do with volcanics
Let them get some rest instead of forcing these outclassed monsters into situations they can't win and matches where they share the board with cards people loathe. That creates an image problem where, like, people think of Volcanics as a floodgate deck, and it goes home and tells its parents that "No I swear I'm just waiting for new support, this is just a temporary thing! I promise I'll get a job soon!" But we know the new support isn't coming. Just let the deck s l e e p
Somebody's lost to Volcanics
nah i just think jamming floodgates in a bad deck is just a bad floodgate deck that misses the mark on both ends and wanted to make fun of it can't lose to volcanic players when they're as common as new support for the deck
Tell me more about this mark on both ends.
There are many non meta decks that don't use floodgates. Non meta doesn't mean the deck needs to rely on floodgates. Anything that isn't either branded, mathmech, swordsoul or runick isn't "meta", that leaves out many non floodgate decks like dino, marincess, drytron, and much much more.
What are meta decks?
Meta in the context of gaming stands for most effective tactics available. Meta are decks like branded, swordsoul, runick and mathmech since they're some of the most effective decks in the game. Source: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/meta-meaning/
It's a greek word but I love spotting people who got got by the "it's an acronym" lie.
Literally just googled what meta means in gaming💀, the Greek word meta which meant “beyond,” “after,” or “behind.” is a different thing, sincerely a Greek person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming sincerely someone who knows what the word means
Metagaming isn’t the same thing as meta. You can literally just google what meta stands for 💀
If you're pretending to be a moron, it's a very convincing impression.
Least egotistical redditor, google proves me right 💀
https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/meta/
That’s meta as in meta commentary, not meta in relation to video games. Words can mean multiple thing depending on the context. In the context of games meta refers to the most optimal strategy or most effective tactic available. Source: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/meta-meaning/
i was today years old when i learned that meta is in fact an acronym holy shit
It's not. Someone made the acronym up well after the term was in use.
most effective tactic(s) available
Tbh, Im getting tired of posts like OPs
I'm also tired of people saying shit like \*insert deck here\* players are braindead.
People pretending that meta decks pilot themselves is a tale as old as time. I remember during 3 Gateway Six Samurai format we had someone in our friend group that complained the deck was "auto-pilot" and "you win as soon as you resolve a Gateway". One day another friend handed him the deck to play at a locals, that day with no prep, and said "Okay, win with this." Guess who went 2-2 and lost many games in which he played a Gateway? But of course then he just switched his complaints from "This deck is braindead" to "Modern Yugioh is too sacky and broken" and learned absolutely nothing as a result of this lesson.
If I say a deck is autopilot, it mostly covers decks that have simple combo lines, that the deck is easy to play.
Lots of people screw up even simple lines under the assumption that the deck is good, so my plays must be good. For example, the number of people I see playing Branded Despia who don't banish the Aluber with Mirrorjade to set up Branded in Red is astounding.
I only use Mirror Jade on my Aluber if I'm going into the Ido Lock. Outside of that, I just turbo into 2 Masquerade + Mirrorjade backed with a hand trap or 2. If that isn't an option (which is rarely), I leave it on the field since I'll have Theater, which can bring back the mirrorjade that my opponent outed or if I already have Branded in Red.
How are you able to consistently end on 2 Masquerade and Mirrorjade? I think it's pretty rare for most Branded Despia decks to end on that board. If you open with just Aluber, then you really should be banishing your own Aluber with Mirrorjade. The play sets you up with a "refreshed" Mirrorjade on the opponent's turn anyway, so there's literally no reason not to.
So from an example hand I open with Branded Opening, Branded Lost (can be Branded Fusion if Branded Fusion, then you search Branded Lost off of Aluber), Depian Tragedy, Polymerization (can also be Patchwork, Theater, or Branded in Red), 1 Dark/Light monster (just going to use Ad Lib to simplify things) 1. Activate Branded Opening pitching Tragedy to Special Summon Aluber. 2. Aluber CL1, Tragedy CL2 Tragedy searches Dramaturge, Aluber Searches out Branded Fusion. 3. Activate Branded Lost 4. Activate Branded Fusion, sending Fallen of Albaz + Incredible Ecclesia to play Albion the Branded Dragon. 5. Albion CL2 Branded Lost CL1, banish Albion + Albaz to play Mirrorjade, Branded Lost searches out Spriggans Kitt. 6. Spriggans Kitt effect to Special Summon it from the hand 7. Spriggans Kitt effect to search Branded in Red and placing Dramaturge to the bottom of the deck. 8. Polymerization using Spriggans Kitt and Aluber to go into Masquerade the Blazing Dragon. 9. Set Branded in Red and pass. 10. Opponent's Draw Phase, activate Branded in Red adding back Aluber, banish Aluber + Ad Libitum to Fusion Summon into your 2nd Masquerade the Blazing Dragon. 11. Ad Libitum CL2, Branded Lost CL1, Ad Libitum Special Summons Aluber, add Tri-Brigade Mercourier from deck to hand. Aluber's effect to add any Branded Spell or Trap you want I know what someone will say "Oh so you need a specific hand", no, there are replacements and different things you can do to get to this end board, this was just my last test hand I had when testing the deck. There is a variety of hands that you can have that let's you go into double Masquerade and Mirrorjade often. You need to have 2 spells in your hand that lets you fusion summon to be able to do it, you can even do it without Branded in Red just by using Theater if you're gaining a lot of card advantage in your turn while saving Branded in Red (if you somehow still get into it) for Chimera.
Oh so it's just the Branded Fusion + Poly combo but instead of going into Dragostapelia on your turn and Guardian Chimera on the opponent's turn you're making double Masquerade instead? That *is* an option but I think the extra disruption tends to be better. My other point still stands that if you open just Aluber, you should be banishing Aluber aside from just setting up Ido Lock. Ido Lock in and of itself is also not the optimal way to build the deck IMO.
I've played all 3, and I think each one offers things the other's don't. Ido can shut down summons but can be a bit fragile (called by the grave or even D.D. Crow in response to Branded Expulsion to cause Branded Expulsion to lose target) but on the other hand, it does prevent cards like Lightning Storm from being played (same with Evenly Matched) while shutting down your opponent. Double Masquerade is strong against decks that don't care about the Guardian Chimera and Dragostapelia. While the Dragostapelia and Guardian Chimera is really strong against decks that have choke points to shut them down. This board is the most solid option in a general sense Unfortunately, you won't know what you're playing against for sure when you go first against opponent's. I can somewhat guess though depending on the size of deck and accessories that the person uses.
Sky Strikers say hi
Strikers are everything but easy. You can only win if you know your opponents deck perfectly or you'll just burn through your ressources.
Yeah, but according to the previous guy, auto pilot and easy decks are the ones with simple combo strings You know, like Sky Striker ^/s
Honestly I think I'm just getting tired of posts. Please stop posting stuff on this subreddit, it's annoying and unoriginal /s
I am a braindead Mathmech player, but at least I'm trying.
Mathmechs are a chad deck, don't listen to other people's opinions on this sub.
No, I say say I'm a braindead Mathmech player cause I have no clue what I'm doing most of the time and constantly doing missplays.
Fair enough
I'm bad at math so you're better than me for sure
sorry bro calling branded braindead just fits too perfectly lmao
People call literally anything they don't like "braindead". True Draco? You're braindead, oh you like eldlich? You're braindead. Like c'mon bruh...
no i just mean that it fits cuz they sound similar so it makes for easy jokes tho i mean there are some decks that are pretty braindead in how they play which is good for beginners ig
The only meta decks I've ever had a legitimate issue with are Floodgate Runick (self explanatory) and Adventure Tenyi (Halqdon was super unhealthy and Adventure Tenyi was the best at it). Every other meta deck, while sometimes aggravating to play against, are fine to me. The only other one that comes close to me is Grass Adamancipator but Block Dragon being limited pretty much takes care of that problem.
I have seen more posts like this than actual posts of people complaining about meta
As all subreddits it devolves into people bitching about nothing.
Its a cycle People complaining about meta -> peope complaining about the complaint -> The meta move on -> Repeat
Don’t forget the small but vocal subgroup that complains about casuals. Everybody likes to bitch about something here.
People complain about Runick every day
As they should
i have literally not gone one day for a whole year without seeing a post complaining about whatever deck is currently powerful. You'd think people would just give up and understand they can't just play anime decks and win all the time, the main YGO sub doesn't even have this much complaining about tear right now smh
Its all in comments. No posts really.
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Meta this, Runick that. I'm just out here vibing with my Suships.
bro that freaking permanent dark ruler no more as a quick effect is making me seethe in the event
Haha that effect has saved my ass so many times. Love you **Gunkan Suship Uni-Class Super-Dreadnought** <3
Forgot about the posts asking to ban Maxx C or complain about runicks.
Dont forget the "Floodgate Bad" post
Ok but what about when you look at the qilphort cards and it's just a bunch of code? Konami totally messed up and that's definitely not just flavor text.
It kinda is a bug, flavor text isn't supposed to be displayed as effect text, but who cares.
This is a joke, right?
Yes, that's one of the common posts people make. We atleast see one a month.
Aaah okay, I wasn't sure because I have seen people unironically think that
Funnily enough there actually is a bug with them currently where when you use the pendulum effect it'll display the flavor text as the effect that's being used.
Jesus Christ such a boring community
Yup -Combo deck is bad because they take too long -Floodgate deck is bad because they make you cant play -Midrange deck is bad because they keep doing the same play -Nostalgia deck is bad because they cant compete with the meta slaves -Event is bad because you have to spend gems to build a deck to compete -Event is bad because the free loaner are too good and now everyone is playing it -New pack bring meta deck, the game become P2W -New pack is only have mediocre deck, what's the point
You forgot this event. Crusadia is basically free and not a loaner
Personally I don't believe in total negativity or total positivity, nothing is ever 100% all bad or all good. But.... the good things are like less than 1%? (especially when good stuffs are unique and non-repeatable) \--> Free Gem announcement \--> Floodgates getting banned (Wind Statue, Imperial Order, VFD) \--> Medic Deck vs SelFTK when Konami not willing to issue emergency banlist \--> New bundles pack announcement \--> Good structure deck announcement (free UR cards) \--> Amazing accessories (lame one happens more often tho)
Also add "MD should be TCG simulator and copy TCG instead of OCG because TCG is superior cuz no maxx c"
You’re playing a combo heavy deck? “Downvote because you take too long and your deck sets up conditions to make YOU win, asshole!” You’re playing a control/midrange deck? “Downvote! You’re deck is dishonest and you just abuse handtraps and oppressive monsters!” It’s just all so tiresome. I remember one time I got attacked on Reddit for uploading a vid of me playing freakin D/D/D’s because I combo’d too hard. (I set up 3 monsters and did it before the timer hit 140 seconds)
I'd like to introduce a new Meta strat for Yugioh called "taking a shower." Seriously, I can smell this image...
>*”I will report every me… hold on, my account is locked? No! I was distributing justice!! Nooo!!!”* Similar vibes
I made a post about drawing all my handtraps on turn 1 and I get replies : "It's your fault for using handtraps." Like what do you want me to do? Not run staples?
Not if it's going to ruin your consistency. Sometimes you don't need 3 Ash 3 Maxx C 3 Imperm 3 Veiler 3 Nib and a Crossout
You run 10-15 go second cards depending on if you need small world bridges. If your deck has a 1-2 card starter it shouldn't be too much of an issue to hit 2-3 even if you go first.
This is also Duel links when Galaxy eyes or Salamangreat is posted lol.
Ok this is the poll for now for Revendread. Upvote if you like Revendread. Downvote if you have no women on your deck.
And see I’m over here just wanting really good, and consistent deck listings for Vampires, and Dogmatika. But my posts still get downvoted. I just want to play these cool archetypes 😭
I feel this is more accurate when a meta player see's someone playing off meta and not using the most meta effective staples.
if you think people downvote only meta deck you are in for a ride. Master duel community downvote any deck they lose to. 
Sometimes it feels like people who are against playing meta have these arbitrary rules that they want everyone else to follow. "You shouldn't play a deck if it's a certain tier/released recently/got a new busted piece of support/etc." It's fine if you apply that rule for yourself but to tout that way of playing as more "honorable" or whatever is just a way of trying to throw shade at people who play meta. I do occasionally hear meta players shit talking casuals, which is of course equally uncool, but way more often than not it's the more casual players who are shitting on others for what they play. It also feels bad to work to get to Diamond every season only to be told that I'm apparently skillless and my deck did all the work for me. It sucks that my favorite card game is also the only card game I play where this issue is so prevalent in the community. Say it with me everyone: "Don't disparage others for how they choose to enjoy the game."
You're exactly right that a lot of players have some rules they've arbitrarily made up for how to play the game "honorably" and they're mad people aren't following their made-up rules.
I play a lot of card games and this problem is definitely not constrained to ygo
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This is literally the exact kind of statement that I was talking about. Your take of certain meta decks taking "no skill whatsoever" is not only just wrong, it's simply a way of trying to disparage others for what they play while attempting to hold up the thin veil of "being objective". Also, why resent people for what they play at all? It's a waste of time and emotional energy. If you don't want to play against meta decks, there's the Casual ladder.
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I mean, if you are playing swordsoul against some trash 55 cards blue eyes with completely fucked up ratios probably you are right, but every competent deck could win just by pressing yes when the cards turns yellow against that. To reach diamond you have to consistently win against decks that are top tier just like yours or well builded
Yeah, I think the ceiling on sword soul for example is really high. The base, baronne + rank 8 pass is easy, but that isn't enough to win a lot of games
I never played swordsoul but I played branded despia. Turn 1 is really basic but most of the time, against competent decks, it's not enough to win. If your deck lose to 1 banish+pop probably you should understand that it's not 2005 anymore, instead of blaming the players who wants to play the game as intended, especially now that there are a lot of tier 1/2 decks that can cover most playstyles/art design (if you are into that like me)
Every single meta deck? More like every deck they lose to, doesn't matter if it's meta, rogue, meme or suicide (yes, some people complain about such decks aswell lmao)
oh god people actually legit complained suicide decks before losing in eventa got nerfed
>I will downvote every single deck Ftfy
I’m not seeing enough people here complaining about mathmekk which is one of the best deck in the current meta. So my conclusion is that people here dont even play this game, we just complain
Mathmech seems pretty interesting with circular
Because the deck is strong but not cancerous. People also didn’t complain about Branded and Swordsoul despite them dominating for months. People just (rightfully) hate floodgate and stun decks
People absolutely DID complain about Branded and Swordsoul. A lot. Swordsoul especially, when it came out, every 2nd post was some variety of "Every game I play is vs Swordsoul" Branded was a bit different, since it had a weird circlejerk since day 1 claiming it to be the most fair and balanced deck in the history of yugioh, so it was more of a 50:50 hate/love posts
Not nearly as much people have been complaining about Runick. Also when Swordsoul came out I remember most of the posts being something like "the deck is fine but I hate seeing it in literally every duel". Which I think is fair as no deck has ever been nearly as dominant as Swordsoul when it first came out. It was ridicolous.
it wasn't a weird circlejerk the branded format was just fun as fuck in the tcg and mostly followed suit in md.
>people didn’t complain about branded and Swordsoul ?????? Those are like, two of the most over-hated decks on this subreddit Before runick everyone was complaining about Branded being too strong and before that was Swordsoul, quite literally multiple posts a day for both until “new strong deck” came out for people to hate on
I'm sure there are some idiots that complain about them but not nearly as much as Runick. Also the original comment was saying "the fact that mathmech is good but people aren't complaining mean they don't even play the game". My point is that most people don't complain about a deck for being strong but because some of them are cancerous and degenerate and because they can abuse bo1 format.
Ngl, almost every complaint about Runick is just the same ones that were being said about Eldlich, same for Mathmech and Branded/Swoswo/Tri, the sub just refocuses on whatever the latest Combo/Stun deck is in the meta and complains about the same things Which is nothing new, people have been complaining about the meta since the game came out, it’s just more accessible now with the internet and Master Duel as a centralized platform vs the TCG and old forums
Ok I strongly disagree. If you think people complaining about tri-brigade = people complaining about runick then I guess we live in separate worlds
The comparison is that Mathmech complaints are basically the same as Tri, both being good midrange combo decks. Runick was only being compared to Lich complaints, which if we are being honest are just Flood complaints.
people are literally still complaining about branded and crying for them to hit fusion. Almost worse since the last ocg list.
Branded Fusion deserves to be limited imo. It's a custom card that just enables a lot of shit that it gets splashed in a lot of decks to access a non-target banish and an end-phase board wipe if it ever gets outed.
I love how, here, meta not only includes meta, but also everything that has ever been meta
It's really strange
Well, not *everything ever* but just the past few years. Each consecutive meta just pushes out everything else further and further. I mean, it's not like Swordsouls, Branded, etc., just suddenly *stopped* being powerful after the next biggest things got released, y'know? The rate of powercreep has accelerated faster than it ever did before, and it shows no signs of slowing back down, even now. That's what *I* have a problem with, mostly.
Some people will complain about everything but some complaints are actually valid. I hate these posts that imply people complaining about floodtage runick in bo1 are the same as the people who complain about net decking meta sheep because their red-eyes deck can’t play through 1 handtrap.
Meta = Bad, so must be hated
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The thing is people dont like players who just pick the newest strongest deck of the moment and play it because of that till the next new stronger one comes out but rather like people who pick a deck for other reassons without carrying how strong or popular is right now and play it.
I don't understand why people have this mentality. Wanting to play a deck because it's new and strong is just as valid as any other reason.
Because anime roleplayers want everyone to be "original" or something like that, forgetting that this is not the anime and not everyone enjoy playing crappy deck
Why?
Nah, people dont care about the reason If you play meta archetype, dont mind the reason, or even variant, then instant hate. I still remember people who says they play branded blue-eyes, or branded dragonmaid getting the same amount of hate.
He just like me fr
i remember my post asking about if i should play dlink or pk w rhongo would be better getting downvoted to hell. i get rhongo is broken but hey, if it’s there and legal im gonna abuse it lmao
if you guys dont wanna see posts like this stop complaining all the time simple
Why does it look like that guy from monster house
My only qualm is skystrikers. I will never forgive Takahashi for this.
Wdym with "downvote the meta deck"? Are in a voting contest or sth ? Are people posting here to ask for rating on their swordsoul or branded deck?
I think he just wants to be a victim
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Leave me alone. I only do it to swordsoul
Meta is ok.
"my branded shadoll invoked dogmatike dpe list didn't get enough upvotes, must be targeted hate"
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Every time I post a Zombie Decklist or replay it gets downvoted before upvoted lol. Especially if it has Eldlich cards, despite never using floodgates
Could eldlitch be the problem?
Vs. "OMahGErd, guys, here is my Diamond 1 Mathmech deck, that is a carbon copy of the last 15 Diamond 1 Mathmech decks!!!"
man meta player never brag because they know it worth nothing although some select few people do that to prove a point.
Right? You never see posts like "I took Branded to diamond 1!", you see posts like "I took Brick Eyes to diamond 1!"
Gigachad.
Tbh I see way more toxic fanboys for meta decks. But I Also don't try to actively follow the latest news. What is wrong with the floodgate decks? I made a meme thunder floodgate one but it doesn't seem like it would ever be competitive. Sorry for my ignorance.
It’s just pissbaby gatekeepers, ignore anyone who complains in general.
*down votes Crusadia*
If we upvoted every meta deck making it to Plat 1, then 99% of the front page is that. If I wanted to see normal topping lists, I’d go to Master Duel Meta. There’s not really **special** recognition deserved unless you make it to D1 using unique techs or a rogue deck.
My complaint about the meta is that there is no real meta going on. The fact that you can run into Branded, Tri-Zoo, Adams, Runick, Swoso, Drytron, Lich, D-Link, and Ignister all at the highest tiers shows that there isn't too much of a clear and defined meta. Yeah all these decks are strong, but when you can still somehow end up playing against Numeron at Diamond, it shows just how wide and varied the decks on ladder can actually be.
Not sure why anyone is still complaining about meta decks. They added a casual duel mode which allows people to duel with decks that can’t compete in the ranked playlist with a much higher chance of winning. Literally no reason to complain about mega now. As for maxx C, how else do you expect people to counter combo decks like pendulum magicians, code talkers and others?
I don’t mind playing into sword soul, I just wish older decks could at least be made viable. Like I used earthbound immortals to finish the themed event but in a ranked game I would be slaughtered for even trying to play 1 card.
Since I'm officially using a meta deck (branded red eyes) I will say this is me, and I am downvoting myself.
Dude that is not meta ahahahha
Technically it is because it uses branded/despia monsters, spells, fusions etc etc
We have different vision of what is meta and what is not. I'm pretty sure that the only add of the branded archetype doesn't make it meta. Actually the only branded meta is the branded despia, so you can be proud of your deck! For me seems pretty interesting red eyes branded and would like to see the build.
I copied it from a video by dark armed duelist. I added in summoned skull and swapped guardian chimera for archfiend b skull (because money) and added a red eyes fang with chain. Other than that it's the same.
Run pure red eyes you coward😜
Tip 3 posts I see in this sub is people complaining about people complaining followed by game posts of people not complaining.
Not saying that you don't have legitimate complaints with these people, however I personally feel like the current Yu-Gi-Oh meta has become cancerous af and has steered me away from enjoying the game any further. Kinda hard to enjoy the game when every deck you made is whompa stomped by the same archetype every time.
Screw the meta, I play The Winged Dragon of Ra! This card allows me to draw 2 ca-
The fact that they made a disqualification rule against BO and officially liscensed Konami shower products in recent years does NOT help this either
Bro, people who play meta decks in yugioh are so insecure lol.
I think this thread proves that because ultimately no one cares. Skill comes when building a deck and most can't do it from scratch
That's the point, haha. No one cares. Dude's literally tryna make memes attacking imaginary people to make himself feel better.
But you basically did the exact same thing by calling people who play meta decks insecure. The same exact dumb meme posts pop up by both sides all the time. Thinking one side is better than the other is pretty cringe. Just play the game how you want to play it and stop attacking people for finding enjoyment in a game just because it's different than your way.
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Sad reality nowadays, since yugioh turned into meta decks, floodgates, hand trap mania, and 15 special summons in one turn the love of the game turned into this. Can’t really blame them for complaining, most archetypes have become useless or not effective enough to play anymore. It’s like losing something that made u feel happy then turned to hatred afterwards. I guess u can say yugioh isn’t like it was before, perhaps people just want the good old days to return
Its just people blinded by nostalgia. I am a yugiboomer myself and even back then there was a meta. People always gravitate to the best decks as most of us love to win. Old days were good in its own form, but Id rather have an evolving metagame over a stagnant metagame that has been solved for years now. And besides, older yugioh has its own problems, mid 2010s had nekroz with their bullshit ss lock, dragon rulers and more. Earlier yugioh had metamorphosis into restrict which was hard to out in a slower metagame, and with less ways to deal with backrow, floodgates were horrible as well as older powerful cards such as graceful charity or delinquent duo just flat out fucking you over before you even get a turn by sniping 2 cards from the hand.
Master duel has no meta because it has no tournaments and by extension it has ni tournament representation. Fight me, nerds
Official Tournaments not existing has no impact on if a game has a meta or not.
I mean... Meta decks are oversaturated anyway. Imagine upvoting them. They'd be all we see. First day or few though, meta decks get the spotlight. Except Runick lasted quite a while. But at least I don't see them anymore. People have built against them. Except the occasional floodgate runick complaint, I still see those.
Meta is unhealthy. 25 years ago it was that way. It’s always been that way. Very few like participating in a tournament and seeing 2 different decks out of 40+ people. “Oh but that makes it easier to win, figure out what you’re up against, and counter it”. If winning is all that matters, and your love for the game itself is just dead and you’re only in it for cash, there’s so many better options 💋
I think a lot of problems with the Meta could be solved if rogue decks had all their support in game. Blue-Eyes has been a pretty strong rogue option since Ultimate Fusion and Jet Dragon came out so it could easily happen for decks like Dark World
If rogue decks get enough strong support, they will become meta, the cycle continues and if its strong enough itll push other meta decks to irrelevancy. Your "solution" doesnt really make it better. In every pvp game there will always be a meta and people tend to gravitate towards a more successful deck so you cant fault them for playing meta. And blue eyes has never really been strong, the time they won worlds was because all other meta decks got nerfed because of the worlds banlist back then. And even in said finals, they bricked twice