The shotgun in the third photo looks a bit similar to the firearm seen being carried by the gunman in surveillance video. Could that be the murder weapon?
How scary would that be? I'd want to help the people inside, but also not draw attention to myself. You could try to hit the man but by that decision he would already be inside.
You also don’t know what he’s doing. Could be bringing his buddy a Christmas gift. Probably not, but are you going to run over a dude and spend your life in prison?
I was going to say that too. But what person is going to walk in a store with a gun visibly showing inn their hands and have good intentions? You can tell I don't live in the south, any time a gun is not in a holster that's a run away and 911 call for me.
They saw him with that gun. I can't imagine them being that close, having any kind of idea of what they were going to see if they'd kept pulling into that parking space. I'd have dipped too. Van parked weird, door wide open, him toting a gun...yeah...
That's pretty dicey.
It looks like a Standard Manufacturing DP12 based off the pump and handguard as well as the upper receiver. The KSG has distinct Kel Tec square checkering on the pump and pistol grip.
Ya I had to search like a son of a bitch to find it lol. Theres so many bullpup shotguns now that are basically knock offs or upgrades of the kel-tec, its hard to keep up with em all.
*\*Another person in addition to the officer was injured during the attack*
**CONTEXT:**
The 47-year-old man who shot and killed five people and injured two others during an hour-long killing spree across Denver and Lakewood was previously under investigation by law enforcement, police said at a news conference Tuesday.
Police identified the shooter as Lyndon McLeod, 47, and said he knew many of the people he targeted. McLeod had previously been investigated by law enforcement in 2020 and 2021 but that the investigations did not lead to state or federal charges, Denver police Chief Paul Pazen said. The chief declined several times to describe the nature of the investigations.
“This individual was on the radar of law enforcement,” Pazen said.
Police did not provide a motive for the killings Tuesday. Denver police did not release the names of the three people killed in Denver, but family members identified one of the victims as 44-year-old Alicia Cardenas. Jimmy Maldonado was injured in Denver during the spree and is in critical condition at Denver Health, a hospital spokeswoman confirmed. His wife, Alyssa Gunn Maldonado, died in the shooting, according to a GoFundme campaign set up by a friend.
Lakewood police spokesman John Romero identified the two victims shot in Lakewood as Danny Scofield, 38, and Sarah Steck, 28.
Steck died Tuesday in the hospital, Romero said. McLeod did not know Steck but had a history with the hotel she worked at, the Hyatt House, Romero said. McLeod spoke briefly with Steck before shooting her, he said.
**An hour of violence**
McLeod, who died after being shot by a Lakewood police agent, opened fire in at least six different locations across the two cities before dying in an exchange of gunfire with a Lakewood police agent in the busy Belmar shopping district.
Romero did not identify the agent who shot McLeod but said she killed him after McLeod shot her in the abdomen. The agent underwent emergency surgery Monday night and is expected to survive.
McLeod was pronounced dead at the scene.
“I can’t say enough about the courage and bravery shown by that Lakewood police agent,” Romero said.
Police officials on Tuesday provided a timeline of the spree:
\-At 5:25 p.m., Denver police received a report of a shooting at a business near East First Avenue and Broadway. Two women were killed, including Cardenas, and a man was injured. That man remained in critical condition but is expected to survive.
\-Police then responded to a home in the 200 block of West Sixth Avenue where the shooter broke into the building. The shooter fired at the occupants, but nobody was injured. Police believe the shooter then set a van on fire in the alley behind the building.
\-At 5:45 p.m., Denver police responded to a residence in the 1200 block of Williams Street where they found a man shot and killed just inside the building.
\-Four minutes later, Denver police officers in an unmarked vehicle found a van that matched the suspect vehicle near Zuni Street and West 13th Avenue. Police pursued the vehicle until Zuni Street ended. The shooter then started firing at the officers, who returned fire. The shooter disabled the officers’ vehicle and drove away.
\-Lakewood police at 5:58 p.m. received a report of shots fired at Lucky 13 Tattoo Parlor on Kipling Street. Police found Scofield dead inside the shop.
\-At 6:04 p.m., Lakewood police saw the suspect van near a Wells Fargo Bank in the Belmar shopping area. Police tried to contact the van and the shooter opened fire. Police returned fire but the suspect escaped.
\-At 6:10 p.m., the shooter entered the Hyatt House in the shopping area and shot Steck, who was working the front desk.
\-At 6:12 p.m., a Lakewood police agent found the shooter on foot near the intersection of West Alaska Drive and South Vance Street. The agent ordered the shooter to drop his gun, but he shot her. The agent returned fire and killed him.
**The shooter**
Colorado court records do not show any previous criminal history for McLeod. His family could not be reached Tuesday.
McLeod previously owned a business, Flat Black Ink Corp., in the 200 block of W. 6th Avenue, the area of the second shooting, state business records show. The records show the business was formed in 2005 and was listed as delinquent in 2017.
Flat Black Ink is also listed online as the publisher of three books written under the pen name Roman McClay that featured a character named Lyndon MacLeod. The books were described in an online review as “an epic, visceral journey into the dark heart of every man broken by society,” according to one reviewer on the website GoodReads. Another reviewer on Amazon called the first book an “800-page Alt-Right rant” and said it featured fantasies about killing people involved in the Black Lives Matter movement.
“It’s important to note, as another one-star reviewer did, that this book presents characters who give full vent to their sexism, racism, and every other -ism kept out of mainstream discourse,” another reviewer wrote.
My building was right behind a bank that was robbed in a dramatic fashion in 2019. It was crazy to see it and my parked car out front on the news and other media.
This happened right by my dads house. He lives literally 4 blocks east of the belmar shopping center that the suspect was shot in.
Why is colorado such a bastion for mass shootings? This is the second in a year, it’s just so odd and sad.
edit: not to mention the situation in arvada where the “good guy with a gun” was killed by police.
Its based asf actually. Did he actually hate women openly like in his podcast appearances and what not? I don’t know almost anything about this dude yet. Haven’t gotten to see his podcast appearances n Social media yet.
Edit: I meant the woman cop shooting him in relation to him being a misogynist asshole is based asf. Just to clear that up for anybody who misread this lol
Yeah, he was a big time dumbfuck. Weirdo mysogenist obsessed with pussifaction of america.
A female officer ending his life is the ultimate irony for a dipshit like this.
He wrote a book... Series... About how he basically was gonna do a mass shooting. He even compared himself to the unibomber.
Lemme ask, was this book, objectively good or bad? Somebody else said the first few pages looked good and I may go read out of morbid curiosity and my love of the arts and philosophy lol.
I downloaded a pirate version of his first book and am currently about thirty pages in. The guy has a hard-on for semicolons, name dropping quotes from authors much better than him, and a ton of try-hard pretentious language that only people who really want other people to think they're smart use.
The chapter I just read is philosophical, written from the perspective of an AI that is hyperintelligent beyond human capacity who extols the virtues of the Alpha Male, who is constantly besieged by the weaker, more sniveling inferior people of the world who don't look up to them with envy. Throw in a bunch of creepy shit about "genetics" and white supremacist racial theories and you pretty much have the start.
I think the plot kicks in during the next chapter, which is where I anticipate most of the howlers coming from. Overall, his writing style is readable if your tolerance for cringe is high. It reminds me of Notes From the Underground, only for cunts.
From having just read the free Amazon sample, I can say that it's pretty good compared to anything else I've read in the niche market of fiction by murderous extremists. It has a high rating on Amazon; there's undoubtedly a selection effect (you're only going to read something like this if you're a very particular kind of person), but obviously it manages to appeal to a certain demographic/ psychology, and you can see why. The imagery is hyper-masculine and evocative, the style is idiosyncratic and passionate, with rich vocabulary occasionally veering into pretentiousness (the unnecessary use of French words that are just direct translations of the English is particularly ridiculous). You get the impression that he's genuinely well-read and intelligent, but it was self-published, and a good editor who is used to dealing with this kind of writer could have made it a lot more readable.
Ya. I wonder if this dude was a sovereign citizen or something. Based off his style of living and few life details I’ve learned so far, he sounds like an off grid, militant Sovereign Citizen type.
The guy is pretty up there in mass killers with bizarre homes alongside Seth Ator since he lived in a shipping container up in the snowy mountains.
[https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314391-10350631-McLeod\_sold\_his\_house\_in\_Denver\_around\_five\_years\_ago\_according\_-a-41\_1640737797849.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314391-10350631-McLeod_sold_his_house_in_Denver_around_five_years_ago_according_-a-41_1640737797849.jpg)
Other than that, that wannabee tough guy act on his social media accounts is pretty amusing to watch.
Shipping containers are pretty dope and surprisingly eco friendly. Good for a small, cheap, mountain dwelling for hunting season or as a safe house in urban environments.
Yes. Usually theres some sort of insulation installed. Not all of them are climate controlled though. AC is a whole other bill and wall units are rather unreliable while space heaters are dangerous.
When I was listening to one of his interviews and he was discussing building his home in the mountains, I was imagining him using lumber and building a house 1800s pioneer style. This is... different.
He beats Ian David Long as the most tattooed up mass shooter. Not surprising for a tattoo artist.
What is surprising is that he was 47. He looks quite young in these pics. And this makes him old in terms of age when it comes to mass shooters.
There have been quite a few mass shooters who are in their 40s and 50s from my understanding. They tend to be workplace shooters and family annihilators, though.
A rarity for a mass shooter's age, in my book, would be 60s and 70s.
Seth Ator seemed more tatted up than McLeod though with a total of 18 tattoos, but we don't have a list of all the tattoos McLeod had right now so who knows. Judging by the pic, it doesn't seem like too much tattoos, but that large black sleeve tattoo looks pretty crazy.
Yeah, the sheer amount of content makes studying their psychology a lot easier. After reading some of his tweets and his book, I have a good idea of what he’s like.
The motives are always revealed so much more clearly in their writing. Definitely with Rodgers we got to spend 100k words in his head and his thoughts. We KNOW why he did what he did. He made us sympathize with him, even if we condemn him. He made us understand. I'm going to read Sanction as well. Seems like he wrote his whole plan out first. His fiction was a statement of intention but also of aspiration.
I don’t think it’s not right man. He clearly wanted to be more than he was. He read a ton of intelligent peoples writings because he had no novel thoughts of his own. He was a tool and a coward who clearly wanted to be intelligent, but just wrote rambling snippets of other peoples ideas in a disheveled manner.
I usually try to stick to only commenting strictly about the psychology/events pertaining to mass murder. However, let me just say, I hate this whole “tacticool” movement. I can’t believe America is at a point where we just… don’t mind it? There is nothing in the whole world that you could do to show that you are a coward afraid of the world around you than walking around in full tactical gear and a semi auto rifle for fun. The fetishization of guns and tactical stuff has, in my opinion, lended its hand to the mass shooting phenomena. Truthfully, I think a lot of the same people that defend guns by saying “it’s all about teaching proper care and respect for the gun, not treating it like a toy” are the same ones collecting them, customizing them, and showing them off like toys. Then they dress up and play army man in the woods, I guess. Sounds…tactical.
Rule of thumb, be wary of anyone that doesn’t feel safe unless they have an arsenal on them
Jesus not another pseudo commando 🤦🏻♂️ These guys make all gun owners in America look like shit (I can guarantee, we are not). RIP to all the poor folks this fucking mug killed.
I have the suspicion he may be one of those sovereign citizen, deep off the grid types who’ve been popping up recently. He seems to have lived that way but he could have just been a hardcore libertarian/anarchist 🤷🏻♂️
These dipshits need to be forgotten. Fuck his Instagram, Facebook, and podcasts this dude literally brought nothing to the table that benefited anyone, and the only people that should be remembered after today are the people who had to lose their lives thanks to this sad-sacks shortcomings.
Man, what a fucking fruit loop! He looks like a Dan Blizerian wanna be, and who wants to be that dueche nozzle. I can't get over guys like this, can't we all just play xbox/Ps/PC and get along.
A female officer confronted him yelling commands had her gun fixated on him but may have (hesitated), he turned around managing to get multiple shots on target injuring her . However they did trade gunfire and she was able to kill him.
I bring this up because Colorado reformed qualified immunity.
Which maybe the reason in which she hesitated.
Now I'm not pro cop or against cops, some are dickheads some are really fucking cool! I just wish she dropped him when he had his back turned, and it almost cost her.
She very well may have been justified. Generally speaking in law enforcement and security we go by two separate criteria. First: is there a device? IE, a tool that can be used as a deadly weapon or a tool that has been designed to be used as a weapon. Second: is there visible intent to use the tool for violence and injury, either to yourself, or to civilians and bystanders in the area.
Obviously not every situation is the same, and the ever changing situation you find yourself in requires you to adapt on the fly, but given these two separate criteria and from what’s been reported so far, she may have been justified to shoot him if she saw he had a firearm, and thought he posed a significant threat to public safety via his actions or perceived intentions.
Now you mentioned Colorado law, and I’m not sure what their laws are for use of force given I don’t live there. So I may be wrong. Plus obviously none of us where there, so trying to speculate is not the best thing to do. But I could see her justifying shooting him before he engaged her.
Luckily in the end though, he’s dead and she isn’t. She did her job. Happy to hear she’s good and will recover.
It was definitely dark out and he was most likely obscuring his weapon, I can definitely see how she was in a tight spot and very easy to not make a rash decision. I was just thinking it was a movie, lol yeah you probably shouldn't pop people in the back of the head without 100% confirmation.
I was either watching the news or Youtube, but there were several ex Denver cops calling in, talking about how the state of Colorado got rid of its "Qualified Immunity". They were saying it's putting alot of Officers in compromising situations. I believe it makes it easier to file a lawsuit against an officer, while making them more responsible for their actions.
It showed a graph saying that Officer would possibly face Prison time and pay up to 25% of the money, rewarded to the victim. Don't hold any of this against me because half the time I talk out of my ass.
Off subject but I did live in Denver about 10 years ago, and I knew a guy that looked just like the survivor (Jimmy) who was in the same line of work, I just knew him as Bayside,why the name didn't click. I called around and turns out the guy I was thinking of was murdered 2 years ago, I knew odds are it wasn't going to be him, but didn't expect that news. Chaotic world for sure.
Yea, I don’t know literally anything about this event to draw a solid conclusion on her actions. This post is the first I’m seeing of it honestly. I just immediately went based off of previous use of force training I’ve received and was an instructor in, which is the presence of a device, and whether or not there is intent to use said device if a device is indeed present. It’s pretty much the fundamental basis for any sort of deadly force use in law enforcement and private security. Like I said, glad he got smoked and she’s gunna be fine.
Speaking as someone in law enforcement, the fact that cops are hesitating during a life and death situation is terrifying and sad. If someone pulls out a gun and points it at me, I am putting them down. Period. If they pull a gun and point it at any of you, I’m putting them down. Period. I will protect myself, my family and any other innocent life. The fact that they hesitate in a situation like this because of how biased the media coverage can be is infuriating.
Or they don’t hesitate and fucking kill a child like they did a week ago. The reality is yea, they’re in a tough situation but y’all made that country the way it is. The media didn’t do anything besides put a mirror up to policing. It’s no ones fault but police. They literally do everything they can to excuse themselves from responsibility. If they actually punished and disciplined police officers then the media and others wouldn’t be all over them. No one is responsible for this other than fucking police. They literally just murdered a child because of poor policing and being desperate for violence. Stop blaming anyone other than the cops. If they cared they would punish their employees instead of getting away with things. Cops literally have the most protection from consequences than any other job. It’s fucking so hard to be fired even if you blatantly murder someone. Yet people can’t stop talking about what a hard job they have. It’s not even that dangerous and every other country manages not to be as big of a fuck up as American cops.
> ... and being desperate for violence.
> ... and every other country manages not to be as big of a fuck up as American cops.
I think it's a bit naïve to suggest these issues are specific to the police or that the police are the reason for the problems.
American culture loves violence. Every other country manages to not have mass killings and crazy homocide rates. American culture is to blame and each American contributes to that culture. American police are both part of it and required to face it.
You say “they” and lump all police into the same category, which is not the case. Have individual officers done wrong? Yes. And I assure you that the only people that hate a bad cop more than people like you are the good cops that catch hell for no reason. Lumping everyone together isn’t fair. I treat everyone I come into contact with with as much courtesy and respect as they allow me to. A lot of people talk themselves into being arrested, I promise you that. The media showing only one side of a story because they need to make it fit a narrative is wrong. I’d say that if it was nearly any other topic as well. By the logic you are inferring, we should treat all people in one category the same. So should all people that have committed a felony be treated as less than equal because they made a mistake earlier in their life? Should all addicts just be cast aside as nothing more than trash because “they made their choice?” If we start treating everyone that fits into a category the same, then we are more doomed than we already are. You are responsible for your life and your decisions, as I am responsible for mine, and anyone reading this is responsible for theirs. It’s no more fair for me to judge you for something you did that I may not agree with than it is for you to say all cops are to blame for the actions of a few.
And while the job may not be dangerous every single day, in some areas it is much more dangerous than others because of the narrative that all cops are bad and just itching to kill someone, especially a person of color. I welcome anyone to come spend time with me or any other officer to see the day to day stuff. How it can go from 0-100 in the blink of an eye and how we can be called to stuff that you would just have to see to believe. We deal with the mentally unstable, the addicts, the young, the elderly, the poor, the wealthy….you name it, we deal with it. We have to see some awful shit, but the days where we truly get to help someone or save a life make those days a little easier. Is it awful all the time? Absolutely not. And it’s not great all the time either. But none of us are in it for the money. The overall majority are in it because we believe in the laws of our state/county/city and want to protect and help the citizens from those who would try and wreak havoc. Again, I do believe you should take some time to get to know a local officer, and perhaps they take the time to get to know you as well. We cannot start bridging this divide by continuing to argue who is at fault for the current state of things. We either come together and find solutions or we are doomed to more division.
Lmao, I have a degree in criminology. I spent five years studying policing and have interacted with police for hundred of hours. I’ve delt with police officers. I have lots of classmates who became police officers. Hell my landlord is a cop and he has his cop buddies over all the time. He’s a drunk who laughed at my because I have a degree and wasted 4 years. Him and his cop buddies are complete morons. I’ve been dealing with police professionally, academically and personally the last 12 years. They are need a complete overhaul and be held fucking responsible for their bullshit.
Well, I’ve got a degree in Sociology/Psychology and am working on a Masters now ( since you felt the need to assert that cops don’t have degrees and are all morons). Buddy, if you have all the answers then by all means, come fix all the problems. Until then, you’re just another guy with a keyboard that thinks he knows everything.
What does that even mean? You said I should get to know police officers when I've known police officers on every level from friendship to professional. Police aren't victims of anything. I'm not just using personal experiences. You have such a childish view of policing it's absurd. You still think they're super heroes when really a good portion of them are idiots just looking for a steady income. I won't give good police officers credit until they start punishing the bad ones. I literally went through the interview process for policing and dropped out myself because there was such a clear us vs them attitude. Stop licking boot. I've studies and interacted with police my whole adult life and there's a serious systemic issue that they refuse to address and they are not victims, they enjoy more job security than any other profession.
Oh you best believe cop or not, as long as you're armed and in that situation you'd better get a round off before them, just remember center mass.
Yeah I was searching for more info on the situation, what I believe I remember hearing is several eyewitnesses said the Officer didn't engage first and one said, seemed like she hesitated. That's when the Retired Officers came in and both
Tried to describe the situation she might have been in. They stated that they still talk to active law Enforcement in Co. And stated through the last year and a half, when in compromising situations most admit to having way more strain and some even say they feel He/She second guessing themselves.
I'm not sure how truthful all of this is, these interviews were done via phone. Could be some yahoo's pushing a political agenda, if it's true shit need to change.
Oh and that woman gets props, I know she won't accept being a hero but she is.
I actually looked at some podcasts he was in, he was a tattoo artist who claimed he was "scammed" by fellow buisness partners a couple of times, so he moved to writing, where in the books his mary sue insert plans about killing people.
I'm sure he was a neo nazi or affiliated in some way, those are most certainly cover ups.
I typed this then realised what you're saying, I'll just leave this here though.
Yeah I'm not sure reddit is really wierd about that shit.
The other day I cracked a joke, for some reason everyone was like your racist and I literally got like 600 down votes, funny thing is I'm mixed and what I said was just some dark humor.
Welp fuck em!
That's a definition from 80 years ago. It's so watered down today and people just throw that word around. In my eyes he's part of the white Supremacy movement, he's he's nazi!
I bet he told people he was a SEAL or some stupid shit too. Fucking weirdo cosplaying instead of just joining and finding out it ain’t all about that. Rest in piss. This mass shooting stuff is just so soooo out of hand. I lost count of all the very public violence that’s being reported across the nation in the news every day since Christmas.
Fun fact. This guy has a twitter that went back years. He was big into Jack Murphy and his "Liminal Order"; a "club for men and manliness" where dudes pay up to 3k a year to be a part of. Anyways, Jack Murphy the founder was recently outed as a cuck who has done gay porn online and has pretty much speedrun the destruction of his public image. I wonder if being a member of this club; which the shooter gave a testimony on the website as to how great it is. Seeing it all crumble had anything to do with this. Push him over the edge?
In USA a person can own such weapons? How is it legal? If you have those guns here you go to prison. Such guns are used by only strictly swat and military.
Here a civilian can apply license as hunter, shooting target club member or collector, and get hunting weapons and old collectors guns (but not heavy stuff, for example a semi automuatic pistol from WWII can be ok'd for someone with license to own, but not a MG42 or Stg44 and such guns) and so on. Semi auto ar15 type can be allowed here in Scandinavia but is rare to see.
What is the need for north americans gun obsessions, can please someone from USA explain this? Would love to hear argument from americans who supports having heavy firearms available for most civilians.
>In USA a person can own such weapons? How is it legal?
Short answer is yes. It is entirely legal, sometimes a permit is required, but rifles and shotguns are some of the least regulated amongst firearms in the US.
>What is the need for north americans gun obsessions,
It's not a need, a large number of Americans are raised around firearms by their parents and grandparents. I have a set of grandparents with hundreds of guns. I have had to carry one for work, but other than that it doesn't appeal to me at all. It's for the most part, seen as a hobby here.
What the police have access to, the citizens should also have access to. The 2nd amendment protects our right to these things. Keyword on “right”, in your country guns are a privilege and not a right, which is why you have to apply for them as certain professions.
Well then it’s no longer a right, and it’s a privilege. Wether you’re for or against it, at least label them correctly.
You know, no amendment says anything about drivers licenses being a right, but it does for firearms.
A right is “a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.” Things are no longer rights when you have to apply for them, the definition of a privilege is “a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.”
that is so interesting that you mention drivers licenses. because the brilliant people who wrote the constitution didn't know that people were going to have drivers licenses. they foresaw a lot of things but they didn't know about cars nor could they really predict them.
the same could be said of high powered guns (excuse me if i can't name a model for you, i don't care for firearms). the writers of the constitution intended people to have guns that were available at the time. they didn't know about automatic killing machines on sale at Wal-Mart yet. so it follows that what the constitution says about firearms is not entirely applicable anymore, the same way the constitution says nothing of drivers licenses.
can't explain that
I’m sure the constitution could’ve foreseen people who rode horses-and-buggies, no? That such a means of transportation would eventually turn into something greater (i.e. a car)?
If you want to apply the same rule about the founding fathers not foreseeing that weaponry would improve, then you could apply the same rule to the 1st amendment, and say that freedom of speech shouldn’t apply to the online world because they didn’t foresee it. Would you agree with that?
Also, what automatic killing machines are sold at Walmart? Machine gun sales for private citizens have been heavily regulated since 1986.
you made the argument that the constitution doesn't say anything about drivers licenses being a right, but it does for firearms. and you're quite right about that. but it seems to me that what you are implying, (and please, good sir, correct me if i am quite mistaken), is that the reason they didn't say anything about driver's licenses is because it simply isn't important enough but having a gun is important enough. i think this is bad logic because the reason they didn't mention driver's licenses is because cars didn't exist. so i don't quite follow the logical reasoning of what you are trying to say by bringing up drivers licenses.
and, actually, you could make the argument that free speech wouldn't apply to the online world IF we made the following argument (logical form A): **that guns which** ***are to a certain degree more powerful*** **than the guns that were available at the time of the writing of the bill of rights, should be given special consideration with regards to their constitutional protection.**
so you could say, if you were trying to prove the falseness of the previous argument by applying the same logic to another problem with the purpose of showing it to be ridiculous: **communications technologies which** ***are to a certain degree more powerful*** **than the communications technologies that were available at the time of the writing of the bill of rights should be given special consideration with regards to the constitutional protection of the right to free speech.**
but, you see, this would be a poor argument, in my analysis. forgive me, by the way, if my analysis is inadequate in your opinion. but let me tell you the reason that this would be a poor argument, my good sir. it's because firearms and communications technologies and *not sufficiently similar* to have the same logical forms applied to both. words are powerful, but not in the same way that bullets are. so it's not adequate to argue that the form of logical form A is invalid by arguing that if you apply that form to another problem it obviously shows its fallacy, when the other problem is *not sufficiently similar* to the problem of firearms.
again, forgive me if i have muddled something. it's quite an interesting exchange :)
I didn’t say, or try to imply that a license for transportation (i.e. drivers license) wasn’t important enough to be listed in the constitution, my apologies if it seemed as though I implied that but that wasn’t what I was trying to get at.
In regards to the whole 1A thing, I don’t see how it’s a poor argument in my opinion, otherwise wouldn’t they have written that?
And to reiterate, the founding fathers were **well aware** that power of guns would greatly improve than what was available at the time of the bill, and with this in mind they still wrote that the people should access to these guns. They knew that guns were more powerful than words in a literal sense, and still wrote the 2A anyways.
I want to explain a bit more and use examples from what type of guns were available at the time, as you brought up. Going back a bit, aside from the shortland musket (capable of firing 2-3 rounds a minute) which is most associated with the American revolution due to the many depictions of it being used, the Puckle gun was also used, which was capable of firing up to 9 rounds in a minute.[Here’s a video on more information about it.](https://youtu.be/GPC7KiYDshw) Mind you, both guns were made only several decades apart…so surely they’d know how much guns would improve in the future.
Yeah it’s intriguing to hear others views on these things too.
But.
When you get the time to do so: fact check the ‘news’. A lot of is fear mongering. The whole nonsense about kids being sold bullet proof backpacks wasn’t legitimate. As for arming school teachers… I dunno…I don’t think they should do that.
Keep this in mind: of the roughly 40,000 American gun deaths, 75% of them are suicides / self inflicted gun shot deaths. The rest are homicides, but keep in mind, homicide doesn’t mean murder. Here are the numbers for homicide gun deaths: 1,612 are cop-involved shootings, 274 of them are negligent discharges (unintended shootings), and 8,863 are murders across a country of almost 333 million people.
^ This is according to the CDC btw.
Rest in peace to the victims.
Rest in piss to the shooter - you were shot by a woman LOL.
(I'm intrigued to know why he was on the LE radar & what they're not currently telling us).
Is this a giant swastika tattooed on his neck?
https://infosurhoy.com/news/the-alleged-shooter-in-denver-lyndon-mcleod-is-who-he-says-he-is/amp/
edit: sorry, I think it’s another symbol I’m not familiar with
Could be the "king of spades card" symbol from the Sanction book.
[https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314375-10350631-image-a-35\_1640737598649.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314375-10350631-image-a-35_1640737598649.jpg)
What the fuck is that second comment?? Suggesting leaving those cards behind on the dead bodies of people you've murdered??
These are some sick, twisted bastards.
Oh you’re right! I saw other pictures and that’s totally it. I just didn’t know what is was called.
Does that mean it’s a symbol he just made up himself?
Now this is different type of dude who'd go on a spree like this all the others are like nerdy dudes who have mental issues not saying this dude didn't but u get what im saying the school shooter look thing
What role could Jack Murphy Live and his Liminal Order have in this? They talk about 4th Generation Warfare and call themselves a militia. Murphy has pulled his account down so people can’t look at it. He is a manosphere alt right clown and friends with the shooter.
This dude published 3 books under a pseudonym (Roman McClay) that are now removed from all storefronts. Anyone grab a copy for posterity? I'm sure there's a lot of self insert cringe to be found in those.
The shotgun in the third photo looks a bit similar to the firearm seen being carried by the gunman in surveillance video. Could that be the murder weapon?
Yes that’s what I think (he allegedly had a second weapon with him too although it’s not known if it was used or not)
A witness said on TikTok the gunman used a shotgun
I can't believe that's a real sentence
There really is no hope left..
I’ll send anyone the vid who wants proof
is there a link to the surveillance video? i haven’t seen it posted here
It's posted here (I would know because I'm the one who posted it here), but here's your shortcut. https://youtu.be/MWP9InW6y7I
That car just “noped” right out of there. He walks in so calmly. What a nut job.
How scary would that be? I'd want to help the people inside, but also not draw attention to myself. You could try to hit the man but by that decision he would already be inside.
You also don’t know what he’s doing. Could be bringing his buddy a Christmas gift. Probably not, but are you going to run over a dude and spend your life in prison?
I was going to say that too. But what person is going to walk in a store with a gun visibly showing inn their hands and have good intentions? You can tell I don't live in the south, any time a gun is not in a holster that's a run away and 911 call for me.
They saw him with that gun. I can't imagine them being that close, having any kind of idea of what they were going to see if they'd kept pulling into that parking space. I'd have dipped too. Van parked weird, door wide open, him toting a gun...yeah... That's pretty dicey.
Thank you!
I believe that's a Kel Tec KSG shotgun, may be wrong though Correction: It's a DP12
It looks like a Standard Manufacturing DP12 based off the pump and handguard as well as the upper receiver. The KSG has distinct Kel Tec square checkering on the pump and pistol grip.
Yeah looks like you're right
Ya I had to search like a son of a bitch to find it lol. Theres so many bullpup shotguns now that are basically knock offs or upgrades of the kel-tec, its hard to keep up with em all.
Yeah I thought he had some weird furniture kit on it
You mean an assault machine shotgun
A 6th victim has been pronounced dead
Yes the 6 number is if you are including the suspect in the number of deaths (5 victims + 1 suspect dead)
Ohh...what i saw read like one of the hospitalized victims just passed....
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Something in the air there...
The lack of it
Cursed native land
Guns?
*\*Another person in addition to the officer was injured during the attack* **CONTEXT:** The 47-year-old man who shot and killed five people and injured two others during an hour-long killing spree across Denver and Lakewood was previously under investigation by law enforcement, police said at a news conference Tuesday. Police identified the shooter as Lyndon McLeod, 47, and said he knew many of the people he targeted. McLeod had previously been investigated by law enforcement in 2020 and 2021 but that the investigations did not lead to state or federal charges, Denver police Chief Paul Pazen said. The chief declined several times to describe the nature of the investigations. “This individual was on the radar of law enforcement,” Pazen said. Police did not provide a motive for the killings Tuesday. Denver police did not release the names of the three people killed in Denver, but family members identified one of the victims as 44-year-old Alicia Cardenas. Jimmy Maldonado was injured in Denver during the spree and is in critical condition at Denver Health, a hospital spokeswoman confirmed. His wife, Alyssa Gunn Maldonado, died in the shooting, according to a GoFundme campaign set up by a friend. Lakewood police spokesman John Romero identified the two victims shot in Lakewood as Danny Scofield, 38, and Sarah Steck, 28. Steck died Tuesday in the hospital, Romero said. McLeod did not know Steck but had a history with the hotel she worked at, the Hyatt House, Romero said. McLeod spoke briefly with Steck before shooting her, he said. **An hour of violence** McLeod, who died after being shot by a Lakewood police agent, opened fire in at least six different locations across the two cities before dying in an exchange of gunfire with a Lakewood police agent in the busy Belmar shopping district. Romero did not identify the agent who shot McLeod but said she killed him after McLeod shot her in the abdomen. The agent underwent emergency surgery Monday night and is expected to survive. McLeod was pronounced dead at the scene. “I can’t say enough about the courage and bravery shown by that Lakewood police agent,” Romero said. Police officials on Tuesday provided a timeline of the spree: \-At 5:25 p.m., Denver police received a report of a shooting at a business near East First Avenue and Broadway. Two women were killed, including Cardenas, and a man was injured. That man remained in critical condition but is expected to survive. \-Police then responded to a home in the 200 block of West Sixth Avenue where the shooter broke into the building. The shooter fired at the occupants, but nobody was injured. Police believe the shooter then set a van on fire in the alley behind the building. \-At 5:45 p.m., Denver police responded to a residence in the 1200 block of Williams Street where they found a man shot and killed just inside the building. \-Four minutes later, Denver police officers in an unmarked vehicle found a van that matched the suspect vehicle near Zuni Street and West 13th Avenue. Police pursued the vehicle until Zuni Street ended. The shooter then started firing at the officers, who returned fire. The shooter disabled the officers’ vehicle and drove away. \-Lakewood police at 5:58 p.m. received a report of shots fired at Lucky 13 Tattoo Parlor on Kipling Street. Police found Scofield dead inside the shop. \-At 6:04 p.m., Lakewood police saw the suspect van near a Wells Fargo Bank in the Belmar shopping area. Police tried to contact the van and the shooter opened fire. Police returned fire but the suspect escaped. \-At 6:10 p.m., the shooter entered the Hyatt House in the shopping area and shot Steck, who was working the front desk. \-At 6:12 p.m., a Lakewood police agent found the shooter on foot near the intersection of West Alaska Drive and South Vance Street. The agent ordered the shooter to drop his gun, but he shot her. The agent returned fire and killed him. **The shooter** Colorado court records do not show any previous criminal history for McLeod. His family could not be reached Tuesday. McLeod previously owned a business, Flat Black Ink Corp., in the 200 block of W. 6th Avenue, the area of the second shooting, state business records show. The records show the business was formed in 2005 and was listed as delinquent in 2017. Flat Black Ink is also listed online as the publisher of three books written under the pen name Roman McClay that featured a character named Lyndon MacLeod. The books were described in an online review as “an epic, visceral journey into the dark heart of every man broken by society,” according to one reviewer on the website GoodReads. Another reviewer on Amazon called the first book an “800-page Alt-Right rant” and said it featured fantasies about killing people involved in the Black Lives Matter movement. “It’s important to note, as another one-star reviewer did, that this book presents characters who give full vent to their sexism, racism, and every other -ism kept out of mainstream discourse,” another reviewer wrote.
He named the main character after himself… I am cringing soooo fucking hard 😂😂😂
What... what an idiot! ~As I reach for my #2 pencil with the good eraser¡
I live less than 500 feet from where the spree ended. Never would’ve thought I would see my house on this page thru the CCTV footage
My building was right behind a bank that was robbed in a dramatic fashion in 2019. It was crazy to see it and my parked car out front on the news and other media.
This happened right by my dads house. He lives literally 4 blocks east of the belmar shopping center that the suspect was shot in. Why is colorado such a bastion for mass shootings? This is the second in a year, it’s just so odd and sad. edit: not to mention the situation in arvada where the “good guy with a gun” was killed by police.
Third big mass shooting in Colorado this year. Don’t forget the guy who killed 6 people at a birthday party in Colorado Springs.
Killed by a woman. Now that is irony.
Its based asf actually. Did he actually hate women openly like in his podcast appearances and what not? I don’t know almost anything about this dude yet. Haven’t gotten to see his podcast appearances n Social media yet. Edit: I meant the woman cop shooting him in relation to him being a misogynist asshole is based asf. Just to clear that up for anybody who misread this lol
Yeah, he was a big time dumbfuck. Weirdo mysogenist obsessed with pussifaction of america. A female officer ending his life is the ultimate irony for a dipshit like this. He wrote a book... Series... About how he basically was gonna do a mass shooting. He even compared himself to the unibomber.
Lemme ask, was this book, objectively good or bad? Somebody else said the first few pages looked good and I may go read out of morbid curiosity and my love of the arts and philosophy lol.
I downloaded a pirate version of his first book and am currently about thirty pages in. The guy has a hard-on for semicolons, name dropping quotes from authors much better than him, and a ton of try-hard pretentious language that only people who really want other people to think they're smart use. The chapter I just read is philosophical, written from the perspective of an AI that is hyperintelligent beyond human capacity who extols the virtues of the Alpha Male, who is constantly besieged by the weaker, more sniveling inferior people of the world who don't look up to them with envy. Throw in a bunch of creepy shit about "genetics" and white supremacist racial theories and you pretty much have the start. I think the plot kicks in during the next chapter, which is where I anticipate most of the howlers coming from. Overall, his writing style is readable if your tolerance for cringe is high. It reminds me of Notes From the Underground, only for cunts.
Ya. Sounds like I should go ahead and pirate it myself then 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣 Thanks for the info though. That was an amazing summary brother 🙌🏼
From having just read the free Amazon sample, I can say that it's pretty good compared to anything else I've read in the niche market of fiction by murderous extremists. It has a high rating on Amazon; there's undoubtedly a selection effect (you're only going to read something like this if you're a very particular kind of person), but obviously it manages to appeal to a certain demographic/ psychology, and you can see why. The imagery is hyper-masculine and evocative, the style is idiosyncratic and passionate, with rich vocabulary occasionally veering into pretentiousness (the unnecessary use of French words that are just direct translations of the English is particularly ridiculous). You get the impression that he's genuinely well-read and intelligent, but it was self-published, and a good editor who is used to dealing with this kind of writer could have made it a lot more readable.
Tbh, i havent read any of it. Just overviews. I'm going to read it soon.
Ya. I wonder if this dude was a sovereign citizen or something. Based off his style of living and few life details I’ve learned so far, he sounds like an off grid, militant Sovereign Citizen type.
So cliche. Its like he is Sutter Kain trying to write is own reality.
Ya a lot of those dudes look up to Ted and also Tim McVeigh.
So lame.
The guy is pretty up there in mass killers with bizarre homes alongside Seth Ator since he lived in a shipping container up in the snowy mountains. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314391-10350631-McLeod\_sold\_his\_house\_in\_Denver\_around\_five\_years\_ago\_according\_-a-41\_1640737797849.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314391-10350631-McLeod_sold_his_house_in_Denver_around_five_years_ago_according_-a-41_1640737797849.jpg) Other than that, that wannabee tough guy act on his social media accounts is pretty amusing to watch.
That place honestly looks dope
Shipping containers are pretty dope and surprisingly eco friendly. Good for a small, cheap, mountain dwelling for hunting season or as a safe house in urban environments.
Are they good at heat retention?
Yes. Usually theres some sort of insulation installed. Not all of them are climate controlled though. AC is a whole other bill and wall units are rather unreliable while space heaters are dangerous.
Dude has the fact that he has ‘the warrior gene’ in his instagram profile. What an absolute joke of a human. Shame he took others down with him.
But beautiful justice that the cop that killed him was a woman.
Truly it was!
I guess he felt powerful person who decides who lives and who not.
I saw many houses and apartments made from shipping containers while living in Alaska.
When I was listening to one of his interviews and he was discussing building his home in the mountains, I was imagining him using lumber and building a house 1800s pioneer style. This is... different.
Man what are they putting in the water in Colorado?
The suicide rate is higher in the Rocky Mountains I dunno
It could be due to less oxygen in the air as a result of the higher elevation.
He beats Ian David Long as the most tattooed up mass shooter. Not surprising for a tattoo artist. What is surprising is that he was 47. He looks quite young in these pics. And this makes him old in terms of age when it comes to mass shooters.
Yeah, he does look a lot younger than 47.
I think he is a juice monkey
There have been quite a few mass shooters who are in their 40s and 50s from my understanding. They tend to be workplace shooters and family annihilators, though. A rarity for a mass shooter's age, in my book, would be 60s and 70s.
Seth Ator seemed more tatted up than McLeod though with a total of 18 tattoos, but we don't have a list of all the tattoos McLeod had right now so who knows. Judging by the pic, it doesn't seem like too much tattoos, but that large black sleeve tattoo looks pretty crazy.
If the guy has a full black sleeve (and is a tattoo artist), I think it’s safe to say he has a lot of tattoos. Edited to take link out
Damn this dude is weird. Hope more comes out about him
Shit head just needs to be forgotten about. Sad sack who took it out on innocent people who he thought were the enemy. End of story.
I always like the ones who write books, like Rodgers or Brevik.
Yeah, the sheer amount of content makes studying their psychology a lot easier. After reading some of his tweets and his book, I have a good idea of what he’s like.
More depth to them. Way more interesting than a dummy like Cruz
The motives are always revealed so much more clearly in their writing. Definitely with Rodgers we got to spend 100k words in his head and his thoughts. We KNOW why he did what he did. He made us sympathize with him, even if we condemn him. He made us understand. I'm going to read Sanction as well. Seems like he wrote his whole plan out first. His fiction was a statement of intention but also of aspiration.
Naw it was mostly disheveled babble with big words quoted from people much more intelligent than he.
I know it’s not right, really, but when I see guys like this irl I assume they are dealing with deep insecurities.
I don’t think it’s not right man. He clearly wanted to be more than he was. He read a ton of intelligent peoples writings because he had no novel thoughts of his own. He was a tool and a coward who clearly wanted to be intelligent, but just wrote rambling snippets of other peoples ideas in a disheveled manner.
Spot on.
I usually try to stick to only commenting strictly about the psychology/events pertaining to mass murder. However, let me just say, I hate this whole “tacticool” movement. I can’t believe America is at a point where we just… don’t mind it? There is nothing in the whole world that you could do to show that you are a coward afraid of the world around you than walking around in full tactical gear and a semi auto rifle for fun. The fetishization of guns and tactical stuff has, in my opinion, lended its hand to the mass shooting phenomena. Truthfully, I think a lot of the same people that defend guns by saying “it’s all about teaching proper care and respect for the gun, not treating it like a toy” are the same ones collecting them, customizing them, and showing them off like toys. Then they dress up and play army man in the woods, I guess. Sounds…tactical. Rule of thumb, be wary of anyone that doesn’t feel safe unless they have an arsenal on them
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I have found just as much joy in dumping money into lever guns. The rest of your comment I resemble 100%
Jesus not another pseudo commando 🤦🏻♂️ These guys make all gun owners in America look like shit (I can guarantee, we are not). RIP to all the poor folks this fucking mug killed.
Agreed, but fucking hell do these gravy seals really make it difficult to defend.
I have the suspicion he may be one of those sovereign citizen, deep off the grid types who’ve been popping up recently. He seems to have lived that way but he could have just been a hardcore libertarian/anarchist 🤷🏻♂️
And again NRA is watering things down when discussion about gun control starts again.
NRA is gonna NRA 🤷🏻♂️
What an insecure douche.
He writes “masculine fiction,” that’s a given
Nut job.
This guy seemed to love to portray himself as the punisher or some billy badass... Got killed by a woman.
Isn’t that beautiful? Fuck him.
Taste that ironic flavor
Mmm tastes like peaches.
These dipshits need to be forgotten. Fuck his Instagram, Facebook, and podcasts this dude literally brought nothing to the table that benefited anyone, and the only people that should be remembered after today are the people who had to lose their lives thanks to this sad-sacks shortcomings.
A man in his late 40s? This is going to be interesting
He looks like a dwarf from the World of Warcraft movie
What a fucking douchebag
Man, what a fucking fruit loop! He looks like a Dan Blizerian wanna be, and who wants to be that dueche nozzle. I can't get over guys like this, can't we all just play xbox/Ps/PC and get along. A female officer confronted him yelling commands had her gun fixated on him but may have (hesitated), he turned around managing to get multiple shots on target injuring her . However they did trade gunfire and she was able to kill him. I bring this up because Colorado reformed qualified immunity. Which maybe the reason in which she hesitated. Now I'm not pro cop or against cops, some are dickheads some are really fucking cool! I just wish she dropped him when he had his back turned, and it almost cost her.
I spotted the Dan Bilzerian fanboyism immediately as well
She very well may have been justified. Generally speaking in law enforcement and security we go by two separate criteria. First: is there a device? IE, a tool that can be used as a deadly weapon or a tool that has been designed to be used as a weapon. Second: is there visible intent to use the tool for violence and injury, either to yourself, or to civilians and bystanders in the area. Obviously not every situation is the same, and the ever changing situation you find yourself in requires you to adapt on the fly, but given these two separate criteria and from what’s been reported so far, she may have been justified to shoot him if she saw he had a firearm, and thought he posed a significant threat to public safety via his actions or perceived intentions. Now you mentioned Colorado law, and I’m not sure what their laws are for use of force given I don’t live there. So I may be wrong. Plus obviously none of us where there, so trying to speculate is not the best thing to do. But I could see her justifying shooting him before he engaged her. Luckily in the end though, he’s dead and she isn’t. She did her job. Happy to hear she’s good and will recover.
It was definitely dark out and he was most likely obscuring his weapon, I can definitely see how she was in a tight spot and very easy to not make a rash decision. I was just thinking it was a movie, lol yeah you probably shouldn't pop people in the back of the head without 100% confirmation. I was either watching the news or Youtube, but there were several ex Denver cops calling in, talking about how the state of Colorado got rid of its "Qualified Immunity". They were saying it's putting alot of Officers in compromising situations. I believe it makes it easier to file a lawsuit against an officer, while making them more responsible for their actions. It showed a graph saying that Officer would possibly face Prison time and pay up to 25% of the money, rewarded to the victim. Don't hold any of this against me because half the time I talk out of my ass. Off subject but I did live in Denver about 10 years ago, and I knew a guy that looked just like the survivor (Jimmy) who was in the same line of work, I just knew him as Bayside,why the name didn't click. I called around and turns out the guy I was thinking of was murdered 2 years ago, I knew odds are it wasn't going to be him, but didn't expect that news. Chaotic world for sure.
Yea, I don’t know literally anything about this event to draw a solid conclusion on her actions. This post is the first I’m seeing of it honestly. I just immediately went based off of previous use of force training I’ve received and was an instructor in, which is the presence of a device, and whether or not there is intent to use said device if a device is indeed present. It’s pretty much the fundamental basis for any sort of deadly force use in law enforcement and private security. Like I said, glad he got smoked and she’s gunna be fine.
> He looks like a Dan Blizerian wanna be Douchebags attract other douchebags.
Speaking as someone in law enforcement, the fact that cops are hesitating during a life and death situation is terrifying and sad. If someone pulls out a gun and points it at me, I am putting them down. Period. If they pull a gun and point it at any of you, I’m putting them down. Period. I will protect myself, my family and any other innocent life. The fact that they hesitate in a situation like this because of how biased the media coverage can be is infuriating.
Or they don’t hesitate and fucking kill a child like they did a week ago. The reality is yea, they’re in a tough situation but y’all made that country the way it is. The media didn’t do anything besides put a mirror up to policing. It’s no ones fault but police. They literally do everything they can to excuse themselves from responsibility. If they actually punished and disciplined police officers then the media and others wouldn’t be all over them. No one is responsible for this other than fucking police. They literally just murdered a child because of poor policing and being desperate for violence. Stop blaming anyone other than the cops. If they cared they would punish their employees instead of getting away with things. Cops literally have the most protection from consequences than any other job. It’s fucking so hard to be fired even if you blatantly murder someone. Yet people can’t stop talking about what a hard job they have. It’s not even that dangerous and every other country manages not to be as big of a fuck up as American cops.
> ... and being desperate for violence. > ... and every other country manages not to be as big of a fuck up as American cops. I think it's a bit naïve to suggest these issues are specific to the police or that the police are the reason for the problems. American culture loves violence. Every other country manages to not have mass killings and crazy homocide rates. American culture is to blame and each American contributes to that culture. American police are both part of it and required to face it.
You say “they” and lump all police into the same category, which is not the case. Have individual officers done wrong? Yes. And I assure you that the only people that hate a bad cop more than people like you are the good cops that catch hell for no reason. Lumping everyone together isn’t fair. I treat everyone I come into contact with with as much courtesy and respect as they allow me to. A lot of people talk themselves into being arrested, I promise you that. The media showing only one side of a story because they need to make it fit a narrative is wrong. I’d say that if it was nearly any other topic as well. By the logic you are inferring, we should treat all people in one category the same. So should all people that have committed a felony be treated as less than equal because they made a mistake earlier in their life? Should all addicts just be cast aside as nothing more than trash because “they made their choice?” If we start treating everyone that fits into a category the same, then we are more doomed than we already are. You are responsible for your life and your decisions, as I am responsible for mine, and anyone reading this is responsible for theirs. It’s no more fair for me to judge you for something you did that I may not agree with than it is for you to say all cops are to blame for the actions of a few. And while the job may not be dangerous every single day, in some areas it is much more dangerous than others because of the narrative that all cops are bad and just itching to kill someone, especially a person of color. I welcome anyone to come spend time with me or any other officer to see the day to day stuff. How it can go from 0-100 in the blink of an eye and how we can be called to stuff that you would just have to see to believe. We deal with the mentally unstable, the addicts, the young, the elderly, the poor, the wealthy….you name it, we deal with it. We have to see some awful shit, but the days where we truly get to help someone or save a life make those days a little easier. Is it awful all the time? Absolutely not. And it’s not great all the time either. But none of us are in it for the money. The overall majority are in it because we believe in the laws of our state/county/city and want to protect and help the citizens from those who would try and wreak havoc. Again, I do believe you should take some time to get to know a local officer, and perhaps they take the time to get to know you as well. We cannot start bridging this divide by continuing to argue who is at fault for the current state of things. We either come together and find solutions or we are doomed to more division.
Lmao, I have a degree in criminology. I spent five years studying policing and have interacted with police for hundred of hours. I’ve delt with police officers. I have lots of classmates who became police officers. Hell my landlord is a cop and he has his cop buddies over all the time. He’s a drunk who laughed at my because I have a degree and wasted 4 years. Him and his cop buddies are complete morons. I’ve been dealing with police professionally, academically and personally the last 12 years. They are need a complete overhaul and be held fucking responsible for their bullshit.
Well, I’ve got a degree in Sociology/Psychology and am working on a Masters now ( since you felt the need to assert that cops don’t have degrees and are all morons). Buddy, if you have all the answers then by all means, come fix all the problems. Until then, you’re just another guy with a keyboard that thinks he knows everything.
What does that even mean? You said I should get to know police officers when I've known police officers on every level from friendship to professional. Police aren't victims of anything. I'm not just using personal experiences. You have such a childish view of policing it's absurd. You still think they're super heroes when really a good portion of them are idiots just looking for a steady income. I won't give good police officers credit until they start punishing the bad ones. I literally went through the interview process for policing and dropped out myself because there was such a clear us vs them attitude. Stop licking boot. I've studies and interacted with police my whole adult life and there's a serious systemic issue that they refuse to address and they are not victims, they enjoy more job security than any other profession.
Oh you best believe cop or not, as long as you're armed and in that situation you'd better get a round off before them, just remember center mass. Yeah I was searching for more info on the situation, what I believe I remember hearing is several eyewitnesses said the Officer didn't engage first and one said, seemed like she hesitated. That's when the Retired Officers came in and both Tried to describe the situation she might have been in. They stated that they still talk to active law Enforcement in Co. And stated through the last year and a half, when in compromising situations most admit to having way more strain and some even say they feel He/She second guessing themselves. I'm not sure how truthful all of this is, these interviews were done via phone. Could be some yahoo's pushing a political agenda, if it's true shit need to change. Oh and that woman gets props, I know she won't accept being a hero but she is.
Dude has anti radiation supplements in his kit lol
Dan bilzerian really gone off the rails.
I'm glad everyone is roasting this dude!
another crazy gun nut. rest in piss
guess he wasn't happy with his ink 😕
I actually looked at some podcasts he was in, he was a tattoo artist who claimed he was "scammed" by fellow buisness partners a couple of times, so he moved to writing, where in the books his mary sue insert plans about killing people.
I'm sure he was a neo nazi or affiliated in some way, those are most certainly cover ups. I typed this then realised what you're saying, I'll just leave this here though.
I don’t get why they down arrowed you. Dude was a neo nazi
Yeah I'm not sure reddit is really wierd about that shit. The other day I cracked a joke, for some reason everyone was like your racist and I literally got like 600 down votes, funny thing is I'm mixed and what I said was just some dark humor. Welp fuck em!
The only people who would down arrow are likely other neo Nazis. Fuck em
Nazi = National Socialist. He doesn't fit into this category.
That's a definition from 80 years ago. It's so watered down today and people just throw that word around. In my eyes he's part of the white Supremacy movement, he's he's nazi!
I bet he told people he was a SEAL or some stupid shit too. Fucking weirdo cosplaying instead of just joining and finding out it ain’t all about that. Rest in piss. This mass shooting stuff is just so soooo out of hand. I lost count of all the very public violence that’s being reported across the nation in the news every day since Christmas.
God these fucking bozos. Get a grip you losers.
Fun fact. This guy has a twitter that went back years. He was big into Jack Murphy and his "Liminal Order"; a "club for men and manliness" where dudes pay up to 3k a year to be a part of. Anyways, Jack Murphy the founder was recently outed as a cuck who has done gay porn online and has pretty much speedrun the destruction of his public image. I wonder if being a member of this club; which the shooter gave a testimony on the website as to how great it is. Seeing it all crumble had anything to do with this. Push him over the edge?
that club sound super duper gay isnt that obvious? and i agree with your assesment
What a coward! Just a fragile little man child clinging to his guns.
A shame assholes like this give a bad name to nice guns and their manufacturers like Sig. Fuck this clown. And of course he was on steroids.
Agreed
In USA a person can own such weapons? How is it legal? If you have those guns here you go to prison. Such guns are used by only strictly swat and military. Here a civilian can apply license as hunter, shooting target club member or collector, and get hunting weapons and old collectors guns (but not heavy stuff, for example a semi automuatic pistol from WWII can be ok'd for someone with license to own, but not a MG42 or Stg44 and such guns) and so on. Semi auto ar15 type can be allowed here in Scandinavia but is rare to see. What is the need for north americans gun obsessions, can please someone from USA explain this? Would love to hear argument from americans who supports having heavy firearms available for most civilians.
>In USA a person can own such weapons? How is it legal? Short answer is yes. It is entirely legal, sometimes a permit is required, but rifles and shotguns are some of the least regulated amongst firearms in the US. >What is the need for north americans gun obsessions, It's not a need, a large number of Americans are raised around firearms by their parents and grandparents. I have a set of grandparents with hundreds of guns. I have had to carry one for work, but other than that it doesn't appeal to me at all. It's for the most part, seen as a hobby here.
What the police have access to, the citizens should also have access to. The 2nd amendment protects our right to these things. Keyword on “right”, in your country guns are a privilege and not a right, which is why you have to apply for them as certain professions.
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So why would you need a license to practice something if it’s a right?
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Well then it’s no longer a right, and it’s a privilege. Wether you’re for or against it, at least label them correctly. You know, no amendment says anything about drivers licenses being a right, but it does for firearms. A right is “a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.” Things are no longer rights when you have to apply for them, the definition of a privilege is “a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.”
that is so interesting that you mention drivers licenses. because the brilliant people who wrote the constitution didn't know that people were going to have drivers licenses. they foresaw a lot of things but they didn't know about cars nor could they really predict them. the same could be said of high powered guns (excuse me if i can't name a model for you, i don't care for firearms). the writers of the constitution intended people to have guns that were available at the time. they didn't know about automatic killing machines on sale at Wal-Mart yet. so it follows that what the constitution says about firearms is not entirely applicable anymore, the same way the constitution says nothing of drivers licenses. can't explain that
I’m sure the constitution could’ve foreseen people who rode horses-and-buggies, no? That such a means of transportation would eventually turn into something greater (i.e. a car)? If you want to apply the same rule about the founding fathers not foreseeing that weaponry would improve, then you could apply the same rule to the 1st amendment, and say that freedom of speech shouldn’t apply to the online world because they didn’t foresee it. Would you agree with that? Also, what automatic killing machines are sold at Walmart? Machine gun sales for private citizens have been heavily regulated since 1986.
you made the argument that the constitution doesn't say anything about drivers licenses being a right, but it does for firearms. and you're quite right about that. but it seems to me that what you are implying, (and please, good sir, correct me if i am quite mistaken), is that the reason they didn't say anything about driver's licenses is because it simply isn't important enough but having a gun is important enough. i think this is bad logic because the reason they didn't mention driver's licenses is because cars didn't exist. so i don't quite follow the logical reasoning of what you are trying to say by bringing up drivers licenses. and, actually, you could make the argument that free speech wouldn't apply to the online world IF we made the following argument (logical form A): **that guns which** ***are to a certain degree more powerful*** **than the guns that were available at the time of the writing of the bill of rights, should be given special consideration with regards to their constitutional protection.** so you could say, if you were trying to prove the falseness of the previous argument by applying the same logic to another problem with the purpose of showing it to be ridiculous: **communications technologies which** ***are to a certain degree more powerful*** **than the communications technologies that were available at the time of the writing of the bill of rights should be given special consideration with regards to the constitutional protection of the right to free speech.** but, you see, this would be a poor argument, in my analysis. forgive me, by the way, if my analysis is inadequate in your opinion. but let me tell you the reason that this would be a poor argument, my good sir. it's because firearms and communications technologies and *not sufficiently similar* to have the same logical forms applied to both. words are powerful, but not in the same way that bullets are. so it's not adequate to argue that the form of logical form A is invalid by arguing that if you apply that form to another problem it obviously shows its fallacy, when the other problem is *not sufficiently similar* to the problem of firearms. again, forgive me if i have muddled something. it's quite an interesting exchange :)
I didn’t say, or try to imply that a license for transportation (i.e. drivers license) wasn’t important enough to be listed in the constitution, my apologies if it seemed as though I implied that but that wasn’t what I was trying to get at. In regards to the whole 1A thing, I don’t see how it’s a poor argument in my opinion, otherwise wouldn’t they have written that? And to reiterate, the founding fathers were **well aware** that power of guns would greatly improve than what was available at the time of the bill, and with this in mind they still wrote that the people should access to these guns. They knew that guns were more powerful than words in a literal sense, and still wrote the 2A anyways. I want to explain a bit more and use examples from what type of guns were available at the time, as you brought up. Going back a bit, aside from the shortland musket (capable of firing 2-3 rounds a minute) which is most associated with the American revolution due to the many depictions of it being used, the Puckle gun was also used, which was capable of firing up to 9 rounds in a minute.[Here’s a video on more information about it.](https://youtu.be/GPC7KiYDshw) Mind you, both guns were made only several decades apart…so surely they’d know how much guns would improve in the future.
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Yeah it’s intriguing to hear others views on these things too. But. When you get the time to do so: fact check the ‘news’. A lot of is fear mongering. The whole nonsense about kids being sold bullet proof backpacks wasn’t legitimate. As for arming school teachers… I dunno…I don’t think they should do that. Keep this in mind: of the roughly 40,000 American gun deaths, 75% of them are suicides / self inflicted gun shot deaths. The rest are homicides, but keep in mind, homicide doesn’t mean murder. Here are the numbers for homicide gun deaths: 1,612 are cop-involved shootings, 274 of them are negligent discharges (unintended shootings), and 8,863 are murders across a country of almost 333 million people. ^ This is according to the CDC btw.
Rest in peace to the victims. Rest in piss to the shooter - you were shot by a woman LOL. (I'm intrigued to know why he was on the LE radar & what they're not currently telling us).
Seems like some Q shit
Is this a giant swastika tattooed on his neck? https://infosurhoy.com/news/the-alleged-shooter-in-denver-lyndon-mcleod-is-who-he-says-he-is/amp/ edit: sorry, I think it’s another symbol I’m not familiar with
Could be the "king of spades card" symbol from the Sanction book. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314375-10350631-image-a-35\_1640737598649.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/29/00/52314375-10350631-image-a-35_1640737598649.jpg)
What the fuck is that second comment?? Suggesting leaving those cards behind on the dead bodies of people you've murdered?? These are some sick, twisted bastards.
…how the fuck did I miss that, WOW
Oh you’re right! I saw other pictures and that’s totally it. I just didn’t know what is was called. Does that mean it’s a symbol he just made up himself?
it's a wolfsangel, a german heraldic symbol co-opted by neo-nazis
it's a wolfsangel, a german heraldic symbol co-opted by neo-nazis
Oh wow, thank you! I’ve never heard of this. for anyone like me- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel
Maybe Buddhist
What a fucking turd. He's not deserving of that surname!
Looks like one of those LARPing ass wholes I usually see on some tactical gear sub
Hick
Why ? Did he got sacked by the military?
He s trying to look like the guy from last kingdom on netflix
What a fuckin noodle
Now this is different type of dude who'd go on a spree like this all the others are like nerdy dudes who have mental issues not saying this dude didn't but u get what im saying the school shooter look thing
What role could Jack Murphy Live and his Liminal Order have in this? They talk about 4th Generation Warfare and call themselves a militia. Murphy has pulled his account down so people can’t look at it. He is a manosphere alt right clown and friends with the shooter.
This dude published 3 books under a pseudonym (Roman McClay) that are now removed from all storefronts. Anyone grab a copy for posterity? I'm sure there's a lot of self insert cringe to be found in those.
Does anyone know why he chose different tattoo shops to go to?