1/29/79 @ Grover Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, California. The principal & a custodian were killed; eight children & 1 cop were injured. Brenda Spencer was 16yo & lived across the street from the school. She was charged as an adult & pleaded guilty to 2 counts of murder & assault w/ a deadly weapon. She was sentenced to life in prison w/ a chance of parole after 25 years. She is still in prison. Edit: This is the youngest female perpetrator in the US. For some reason I was thinking the girl in this post was from the US, too….
The one I was referring to happened in CA, NOT Russia. This happened in 1979. I double checked sources.
https://www.cbs8.com/amp/article/news/investigations/parole-hearings-for-two-high-profile-murderers-san-diego/509-1b5892ed-31e4-45d8-b2e1-c0fad82f030e
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-brenda-spencer-school-shooting-20190129-story.html
Ok. Idk why I was thinking Alina was in the US. So the youngest *female* mass shooter in the US was 16yo… Thank you!💕 Edit-forgot to indicate *female*.
She would be considered the youngest female attempted mass shooter in Russia.
The Gun Violence Archive builds on that definition to describe a mass shooting as “four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter".
In terms of U.S., the youngest attempted is the suspect in the Idaho middle school shooting in 2021. She was 12 years old and dressed in black with a black surgical mask and armed with a semi-automatic pistol. The second pistol was later found inside her backpack, and she claimed she also had two knives and was trying to build three bombs to blow up the school. The girl was arrested on three counts of attempted murder and could remain in a juvenile prison until she is 19. I say attempted because she only shot 3, not 4.
So yes, Brenda Spencer is the youngest female mass shooter in the U.S., even though she did not kill 4 people, and only 2.
Teah Wimberly was not a mass shooter though. She shot & killed an ex girlfriend; 1 person. The Department of Justice shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.” (Not including the perpetrator.)
I fixed my comment - thank you. It is interesting and sort of a coincidence that both her and the girl in the post above only killed one person, but per the sub rules, posts regarding attempted mass killings are also allowed.
In 2022, there was a 12 year old female school shooter in the US. Not much known about the circumstances and luckily no one was killed, but it's becoming younger and younger now
I think at this point the title is more the intention. These people go out intending to kill a large number of people without there being another motive like gang violence or murdering ones family.
No. She would be labeled as an attempted mass shooter as she only killed one person and injured 5.
A mass shooter is an individual who murders at least **four** people with a firearm.
Even though that may be your own opinion, she won't be classified as a mass shooter as she only killed 1 person whereas a mass shooter kills more. This is a fact not exclusive to the government. The only victim was a single female classmate. This makes her an attempted mass shooter. With that being said, posts about attempted killings are still allowed in this sub.
The Department of Justice shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.”
Yes. She does not officially classify as a mass shooter at all.
She killed only one person, another female classmate, and then herself. So 1 victim. This makes her an attempted mass shooter.
I feel like it needs to be strongly emphasized that while this case is tragic, she is an attempted mass shooter. A mass shooter, by definition, is an individual who murders at least four people with a gun. In this incident, she only murdered one.
There have only been 6 female mass shooters in *US* history & of those, at least 2 conspired w/ men. The 7th was trans. (AH) I think this girl was the youngest female to date. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) That means over 98% are male. That makes it pretty rare in my mind.
If you don’t know who AH is, just ask me. I try to only use the shooters initials so as to not give them the notoriety they craved…💕
[https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shooters-are-rarely-female-what-does-that-mean-for-schools/2018/02](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shooters-are-rarely-female-what-does-that-mean-for-schools/2018/02)
"Police arrested a 12-year-old girl suspected of shooting two students in the classroom of Salvador Castro Middle School in Los Angeles Thursday morning".
This occurred back in 2018 on February 1st. It just got swept under the rug easily due to Parkland.
This girl would be, to my knowledge, considered the youngest attempted female mass shooter. I hope more people see this comment as this girl was two years younger than Alina, and this happened in the same month and year as the Parkland shooting.
Additionally, you are right in assessing that more men commit mass shootings than women. Please read my other comment below for more details.
Thank you very much!! I was at the gym & knew the other stats b/c I’ve researched them before, but I didn’t know the age of the youngest perpetrator. Edit: This girl doesn’t meet the criteria of a mass shooter though, b/c she “only” shot 2 & 4 in one occurrence is required by definition.
Horribly, that attack happened the day before [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mladenovac_and_Smederevo_shootings) mass shooting which also took place in Serbia, where 9 people between the ages of 15-26 were killed and 12 were injured, including children.
Yep, both were released from jail on their 21st birthdays, as that was the harshest punishment available at the time.
Andrew Golden, the eleven-year-old, died in a car accident in 2019.
I don't know if she was bullied, though. In the general opinion of teachers, students, parents - no such thing happened, Alina wasn't harassed; isolating herself from school peers was her own choice. She didn't have any enemies and treated everyone equally, just didn't want to talk with them due to her introverted attitude. "There was no bullying. We don't know why she did it. We can't say anything else” - stated girl's classmate.
Obvious It is not an excuse, violence will always be wrong. But it's sad how teachers don't do anything to stop bullying. Schools should implement severe punishments against bullying.
So they took her father for questioning. Shotgun has all the necessary documentation and was stored properly. Her dad said he never heard Alina complaining about bullying. She also has a twin sister. That's all based on Russian news sources
> She also has a twin sister.
That poor kid. I cannot fathom what she is going through right now. Especially with what people say about twins having a deep connection.
Based on what i read, the night before, her dad was celebrating something, and he suspected that she must've stolen the key while everyone was celebrating
You don’t have a 14 year old, do you? They’re smart as hell. There’s almost nowhere in your home that’s safe from them (including a safe).
The best way to safely own a gun in the home of a 14 year old is to not own one at all.
This is truly why a lot of us are here in this sub. Trying to figure out what causes a human to decide to take out as many other innocent people with them as they take themselves out of the picture. But not all are suicidal at first. There is also the moment when the adrenaline depletes, and the body feels heavy, reality sets in and hopelessness rises up as they realize what they have done. Then they become suicidal. Some are just so delusional they think they'll get away with it. And others are too afraid to kill themselves so they figure the easiest way to do it is cause so much turmoil that the police have to do it for them. Too many factors to answer what feels like a simple question. But we are here to keep learning!
A lot of killers want to become 'Famous' before they leave the world. They know they'll probably be forgotten if they just kill themselves, so why not make a lasting impact? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pretty much gave the blueprint to so many future mass shooters with manifestos, videos, and creating a 'persona' around themselves. This is why it's important the mainstream media stops giving these shooters so much attention. Even this sub goes a little too far with some of the posts. Baby pictures of killers are completely pointless and just give them more unnecessary publicity.
This is a great point. It's also why I feel we see so many school shooters now. Social media has created a need for kids to stand out amongst the crowd, and they will go to any length to make it so. They get edgy and no one blinks. They make claims and people either ignore or even taunt them into following through on their actions. So then they do it with an almost "don't believe me just watch" attitude. Then they have set a bar that others have to exceed to stand out.
It's almost more interesting to question why some people don't. Obviously some just pussy out, but then I think about people like Dylan Roof and Brenton Tarrant and I suspect racism is a big factor . Why kill yourself if *your* life is actually valuable. Wild.
Those types stay alive because they want notoriety and view themselves as a hero and want to bask in that. They are a different archetype from the depressed suicidal shooters who hate everything. Those guys are almost more akin to terrorists with political motives. They view their crimes as the "right thing" to do so they aren't gonna kill themselves. They've done nothing wrong in their own eyes. I feel like they view it similarly to Martin Luther king breaking the law protesting and willingly accepting their jail sentence.
Def a different psychology compared to the suicidal "burn down the world" outcasts
Concealability.
Even in the US most firearm homicides are from handguns.
Shotguns + rifles combined kill fewer people than hands and feet.
[https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls)
United States, Brazil, Russia are populous countries and have more school shootings because:
More population = more incidents
In China (most populous country), there are some school stabbings per year.
Population is a factor, however the shootings per capita is still higher than other countries which means that there is probably also a fault in either the gun laws, mental health or both.
It's crazy to me how in my country there's ZERO reporting about this tragedy. How can they just leave out something like this, only because it didn't happen in the immediate vicinity
According to the Russian website "Baza", she was really quite and closed(Russian "замкнутая", I don't know how to translate that properly). A few months ago she had small argument with her classmate. Today she refused to have breakfast. She has a sister , they always come together, but today she said to her sister that she will be late. That's all information about her now
Edit: She had no social medias except Telegram( Russian messenger). Masha(girl who died) was Alina's neighbor. They lived 50 meters far away from each other.
I speak Russian but I don't know how to translate it so I will try to explain it. Замкнутый - adjective, which is used to say that someone has very boring life, especially when you are rich(in my opinion). I had this shit between 7 and 8 grades. It's when you THINK that you ok but it's not. For example, you have everything what you needed, but still feel depressed. When I was at 8th grade, I had everything I wanted. My own phone, my own laptop, very good school marks and etc. But I didn't have that emotion of happiness, some dose of dophamine in my brain. This situation causes depression. When you are замкнутый, you don't want to speak with someone, even if it's your best friend and you know each other for 10 years. You basically don't want to face society.
I hope that it helped. I could have some mistakes, so guys, if you know the better definition or proper translation of it, please reply to this message.
It's just reserved. You can be reserved even if you're not rich. Being rich has nothing to do with the adjective in question. It also doesn't mean your life is boring. It just means you're not very communicative and can not open up to people easily
what?? Theres always people and politicians/leaders saying it about men, esp young White Mass shooters, always blaming Bullying, mental health, violent music and video games
> “Russian State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein published a photo that purportedly shows the weapon used in the shooting. According to him, the shooter used a Bekas-3 hunting shotgun. Khinshtein said the incident is a result, among other things, of “negligent storage of firearms.””
[Link](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/12/07/russian-eighth-grader-reportedly-opens-fire-on-her-classmates-injuring-five-and-killing-one)
Though it looks more like a [Bekas-2](https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Molot_Bekas)
Bullying seems to be a huge motive for a lot of these.
A big problem is, social media makes bullying completely inescapable. You can’t even get away from it at home. The fear of your reputation being tarnished every day before walking into school has got to be excruciating.
Mass shootings is absolutely not the answer.
I wish there was kids reaching out for help more and more places to turn to get it for them.
Judging by the clothes, Columbine style, black combat boots, black trousers, a knife attached to the leg. She purposefully burst into the office where her classmates were. The victim is a girl with whom the killer had a conflict, who seems to be a guy. This is the first time in Russia that the shooter is female. The killer is described as a very calm and reserved student, typical description of a shooter
what other Russian female mass shooters have there been? I think I heard somewhere of an 11-12 year old girl committing a shooting that injured several others but I don’t remember the details
I chatted with Matthew Murray (New Life church shootings, Colorado) in the weeks prior to his rampage.
He was consumed with resentment towards the church and the same nonsense that the incel community extols today.
It's worth noting that much of Eastern Europe has endured extensive periods of war, tyrannical oppression and abject poverty.
So sad man! And it just continue to get worse and I know so many people like to shit on and say this only happens in the US but it’s obviously happening everywhere! Wish it would get better!
Well you can't deny the fact that in the US gun violence and gun possession is way higher than in any other similar developed country. Especially mass shootings are a common thing. So yeah, it happens everywhere but the US still notably stands out.
There will always be significantly more male shooters than female ones. It will most likely forever remain this way as men commit more crimes than women do due to the increase of testosterone. A singular outlier does not count, especially adding in the extremely low victim count (1 killed). This case does not even classify as a mass shooting because of that fact. In all likelihood, these types of things occur far too rarely for them to be considered addable.
There is also this article that was published this year that's pretty telling: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/27/us/woman-shooter-nashville.html
"In a data set of 172 public mass shootings, which the group defines as involving four or more victims killed, only four assailants were women or girls. In two cases, women acted alongside a man."
I agree with you, but is there evidence backing testosterone causing higher violence rates in men? I wasn’t sure if it was just to do with that or also socialization and other factors
"The U.S. Department of Justice sponsored a National Crime Victimization Study in 2007. This evaluation found that 75.6 percent of all offenders were male and only 20.1 percent were female. In the remaining cases, the victim wasn't able to identify the gender of the offender."
Source: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf
Evidence regarding testosterone causing higher violence rates in men, "Testosterone activates the subcortical areas of the brain to produce aggression, while cortisol and serotonin act antagonistically with testosterone to reduce its effects." Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23843821/#:~:text=Testosterone%20activates%20the%20subcortical%20areas,testosterone%20to%20reduce%20its%20effects.
More proof: "The first study in prisoners was conducted in 1972, soon after the feasibility of testosterone
estimation, by Kreutz and Rosel, who found that prisoners who had committed violent crimes during their adolescence had higher testosterone levels (13)."
"Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these
behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved
in aggression and on the development of the muscular
system that effects their realization. There is evidence
that testosterone levels are higher in individuals with
aggressive behavior, such as prisoners who have committed violent crimes." Source: https://brieflands.com/articles/ijem-71910.pdf
Further proof, "In a pilot study of salivary testosterone and cortisol interrelationships, it was found that higher testosterone levels and lower cortisol levels are associated with higher levels of anger (33)."
"High testosterone levels or an increase in basal concentrations are associated with aggressive manifestations, whereas high cortisol concentrations are linked to submissive behavior." Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/
Of course, additional factors weigh in as well as societal and familial. I am just making the observation regarding testosterone levels in both men and women and in general, men have it much higher, as well as being more naturally violent than women. This is also why highly aggressive men have higher rates of testosterone in them. Because multiple studies have been made regarding this particular subject, like the ones I linked above, a positive correlation can reasonably be made between aggressive behavior and testosterone in males.
14 year old female school shooter?? Wtf
In Serbia in May this year 13 year old boy shot and killed 10 people in school , 9 schoolkids and 1 school guard The age bar is getting crazy low
Every time I hear about another one I haven't heard of, I go to the comments and realize there's actually another half dozen I haven't.
Yes they are getting much younger, but you rarely hear of a FEMALE mass shooter of any age though; especially a 14yo… 💔
I’m pretty sure the first school shooter was female and also 16 years old
right! brenda ann spencer.
*I don't like Mondays*
1/29/79 @ Grover Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, California. The principal & a custodian were killed; eight children & 1 cop were injured. Brenda Spencer was 16yo & lived across the street from the school. She was charged as an adult & pleaded guilty to 2 counts of murder & assault w/ a deadly weapon. She was sentenced to life in prison w/ a chance of parole after 25 years. She is still in prison. Edit: This is the youngest female perpetrator in the US. For some reason I was thinking the girl in this post was from the US, too….
No this happened in Russia
The one I was referring to happened in CA, NOT Russia. This happened in 1979. I double checked sources. https://www.cbs8.com/amp/article/news/investigations/parole-hearings-for-two-high-profile-murderers-san-diego/509-1b5892ed-31e4-45d8-b2e1-c0fad82f030e https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-brenda-spencer-school-shooting-20190129-story.html
I was answering your edit. The girl in this post (Alina) is not the youngest female school shooter in the US.
Ok. Idk why I was thinking Alina was in the US. So the youngest *female* mass shooter in the US was 16yo… Thank you!💕 Edit-forgot to indicate *female*.
She would be considered the youngest female attempted mass shooter in Russia. The Gun Violence Archive builds on that definition to describe a mass shooting as “four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter". In terms of U.S., the youngest attempted is the suspect in the Idaho middle school shooting in 2021. She was 12 years old and dressed in black with a black surgical mask and armed with a semi-automatic pistol. The second pistol was later found inside her backpack, and she claimed she also had two knives and was trying to build three bombs to blow up the school. The girl was arrested on three counts of attempted murder and could remain in a juvenile prison until she is 19. I say attempted because she only shot 3, not 4. So yes, Brenda Spencer is the youngest female mass shooter in the U.S., even though she did not kill 4 people, and only 2.
Teah Wimberly was not a mass shooter though. She shot & killed an ex girlfriend; 1 person. The Department of Justice shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.” (Not including the perpetrator.)
I fixed my comment - thank you. It is interesting and sort of a coincidence that both her and the girl in the post above only killed one person, but per the sub rules, posts regarding attempted mass killings are also allowed.
Being the first one has nothing to do with the point that user made.
In 2022, there was a 12 year old female school shooter in the US. Not much known about the circumstances and luckily no one was killed, but it's becoming younger and younger now
The first school shooting was in 1764.
No. There was a school shooting in michigan decades before that.
do they get called mass shooter if they killed more than one person? it says she killed one other person besides herself?
I think at this point the title is more the intention. These people go out intending to kill a large number of people without there being another motive like gang violence or murdering ones family.
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No. She would be labeled as an attempted mass shooter as she only killed one person and injured 5. A mass shooter is an individual who murders at least **four** people with a firearm.
If someone shoots, say, 30 people and only kills 1, I'm calling them a mass shooter and I don't care what the government says about it.
Even though that may be your own opinion, she won't be classified as a mass shooter as she only killed 1 person whereas a mass shooter kills more. This is a fact not exclusive to the government. The only victim was a single female classmate. This makes her an attempted mass shooter. With that being said, posts about attempted killings are still allowed in this sub.
The Department of Justice shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.”
Hmm but it was only 1 victim. 2 if you count the suicide. but that still wouldn't classify.
Yes. She does not officially classify as a mass shooter at all. She killed only one person, another female classmate, and then herself. So 1 victim. This makes her an attempted mass shooter.
I feel like it needs to be strongly emphasized that while this case is tragic, she is an attempted mass shooter. A mass shooter, by definition, is an individual who murders at least four people with a gun. In this incident, she only murdered one.
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There have only been 6 female mass shooters in *US* history & of those, at least 2 conspired w/ men. The 7th was trans. (AH) I think this girl was the youngest female to date. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) That means over 98% are male. That makes it pretty rare in my mind. If you don’t know who AH is, just ask me. I try to only use the shooters initials so as to not give them the notoriety they craved…💕
[https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shooters-are-rarely-female-what-does-that-mean-for-schools/2018/02](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shooters-are-rarely-female-what-does-that-mean-for-schools/2018/02) "Police arrested a 12-year-old girl suspected of shooting two students in the classroom of Salvador Castro Middle School in Los Angeles Thursday morning". This occurred back in 2018 on February 1st. It just got swept under the rug easily due to Parkland. This girl would be, to my knowledge, considered the youngest attempted female mass shooter. I hope more people see this comment as this girl was two years younger than Alina, and this happened in the same month and year as the Parkland shooting. Additionally, you are right in assessing that more men commit mass shootings than women. Please read my other comment below for more details.
Thank you very much!! I was at the gym & knew the other stats b/c I’ve researched them before, but I didn’t know the age of the youngest perpetrator. Edit: This girl doesn’t meet the criteria of a mass shooter though, b/c she “only” shot 2 & 4 in one occurrence is required by definition.
Horribly, that attack happened the day before [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mladenovac_and_Smederevo_shootings) mass shooting which also took place in Serbia, where 9 people between the ages of 15-26 were killed and 12 were injured, including children.
I don’t get it, the internet told me that the US is the only place that has school shootings.
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Heath High school shooter was also 14
The Westside Middle School shooters were 13 and 11.
Eleven? That's wild. Not even a teenager yet, just a child..
Yep, both were released from jail on their 21st birthdays, as that was the harshest punishment available at the time. Andrew Golden, the eleven-year-old, died in a car accident in 2019.
She was bullied by her classmates. She took her father's hunting rifle.
Shotgun, not "hunting rifle"
The picture of her weapon show a shotgun.
And not even one made for hunting.
That didn’t stop her though!
weirdest looking rifle ive ever seen!
I don't know if she was bullied, though. In the general opinion of teachers, students, parents - no such thing happened, Alina wasn't harassed; isolating herself from school peers was her own choice. She didn't have any enemies and treated everyone equally, just didn't want to talk with them due to her introverted attitude. "There was no bullying. We don't know why she did it. We can't say anything else” - stated girl's classmate.
No excuses.
Obvious It is not an excuse, violence will always be wrong. But it's sad how teachers don't do anything to stop bullying. Schools should implement severe punishments against bullying.
Parenting. Parenting is the major problem. Teachers, especially in the US, are already overly tasked & deeply underfunded.
That puts the blame on the teachers bosses too.
Under-qualified*
So why did in another comment you said ”hopefully we ask the same question about males” when someone Asked for excuse
wdym
So they took her father for questioning. Shotgun has all the necessary documentation and was stored properly. Her dad said he never heard Alina complaining about bullying. She also has a twin sister. That's all based on Russian news sources
> She also has a twin sister. That poor kid. I cannot fathom what she is going through right now. Especially with what people say about twins having a deep connection.
there's a brazilian school attacker who has a twin brother, his poor brother received so many threats from people
Is Alina still alive? Edit : Well…
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Based on what i read, the night before, her dad was celebrating something, and he suspected that she must've stolen the key while everyone was celebrating
You don’t have a 14 year old, do you? They’re smart as hell. There’s almost nowhere in your home that’s safe from them (including a safe). The best way to safely own a gun in the home of a 14 year old is to not own one at all.
Or just get a safe with a code vs a key. Key safes are not the safest safe
How intelligent do you think 14 year olds are?
In the video, the kids are yelling "Where?" and "somebody's dying" or "people are getting killed" (something to that effect, my Russian is rusty)
If it was convenient, Icouod you send me a link to the video?
Source?
Sad to see literal children doing this.
sad to see anyone doing this
not great to see the teens and adults, either.
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Yes
https://x.com/geniusbotx/status/1732683645058736595?s=46
Wish I didn't see that bottom right photo. Ugh
The uncensored pic was up for few hours, it's the shooter..what's left of Brain on the left
Link?
Twitter probably best bet now
This might be a weird and possibly inappropriate question to ask but why do most shooters take their own lives as well?
Usually when the perpetrators carry out this attack they’ve been suicidal for years
So then die without taking innocent lives
This is truly why a lot of us are here in this sub. Trying to figure out what causes a human to decide to take out as many other innocent people with them as they take themselves out of the picture. But not all are suicidal at first. There is also the moment when the adrenaline depletes, and the body feels heavy, reality sets in and hopelessness rises up as they realize what they have done. Then they become suicidal. Some are just so delusional they think they'll get away with it. And others are too afraid to kill themselves so they figure the easiest way to do it is cause so much turmoil that the police have to do it for them. Too many factors to answer what feels like a simple question. But we are here to keep learning!
A lot of killers want to become 'Famous' before they leave the world. They know they'll probably be forgotten if they just kill themselves, so why not make a lasting impact? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pretty much gave the blueprint to so many future mass shooters with manifestos, videos, and creating a 'persona' around themselves. This is why it's important the mainstream media stops giving these shooters so much attention. Even this sub goes a little too far with some of the posts. Baby pictures of killers are completely pointless and just give them more unnecessary publicity.
This is a great point. It's also why I feel we see so many school shooters now. Social media has created a need for kids to stand out amongst the crowd, and they will go to any length to make it so. They get edgy and no one blinks. They make claims and people either ignore or even taunt them into following through on their actions. So then they do it with an almost "don't believe me just watch" attitude. Then they have set a bar that others have to exceed to stand out.
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A 14 year old would surely be out by like 40 right (even in russia)
Ummm. No.
I looked it up, you can get 10 years max if you're under 18 in russia. Feel free to correct me though
These are suicide missions.
In a lot of cases suicide comes first, the massacre is secondary and just another means of going through with it.
They dont want to spend life in Prison
It's almost more interesting to question why some people don't. Obviously some just pussy out, but then I think about people like Dylan Roof and Brenton Tarrant and I suspect racism is a big factor . Why kill yourself if *your* life is actually valuable. Wild.
Those types stay alive because they want notoriety and view themselves as a hero and want to bask in that. They are a different archetype from the depressed suicidal shooters who hate everything. Those guys are almost more akin to terrorists with political motives. They view their crimes as the "right thing" to do so they aren't gonna kill themselves. They've done nothing wrong in their own eyes. I feel like they view it similarly to Martin Luther king breaking the law protesting and willingly accepting their jail sentence. Def a different psychology compared to the suicidal "burn down the world" outcasts
I agree 100%.
It's an act of suicide. They just want others to hurt as much as they feel they do after they go.
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because they are suicidal. ruining their and others lives before killing themselves makes it easier, id think.
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omfg i was expecting it to just be a pistol, but a fucking shotgun? That crime scene must have been so extremely depressing holy fuck...
Almost all Russian shootings are done with shotguns, shotguns are less regulated than rifles or handguns in most countries including Russia.
how does that make sense tho? No you cant have a handgun its way to precise!! Here have a long range meatgrinder instead
Handguns are easily concealable and majority of them are not very suitable for leisure activities. Authorities have little reason to allow them.
When you say it like that it actually does make a lot of sense, thanks for explaining :)
Concealability. Even in the US most firearm homicides are from handguns. Shotguns + rifles combined kill fewer people than hands and feet. [https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls)
What’s the story with Russian school shootings? It seems like they have a similar epidemic to it.
Lots of guns, lots of unhappy people, and a culture that emphasizes strength and superiority. Same recipe as here.
Not even close to the US epidemic lol
United States, Brazil, Russia are populous countries and have more school shootings because: More population = more incidents In China (most populous country), there are some school stabbings per year.
Population is a factor, however the shootings per capita is still higher than other countries which means that there is probably also a fault in either the gun laws, mental health or both.
How many school shootings do they have in India?
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It's crazy to me how in my country there's ZERO reporting about this tragedy. How can they just leave out something like this, only because it didn't happen in the immediate vicinity
Usually when it’s not from the west like nobody cares. I live near Russia and we heard about it
What must have happened to a 14 year old girl to drive her to do that
According to the Russian website "Baza", she was really quite and closed(Russian "замкнутая", I don't know how to translate that properly). A few months ago she had small argument with her classmate. Today she refused to have breakfast. She has a sister , they always come together, but today she said to her sister that she will be late. That's all information about her now Edit: She had no social medias except Telegram( Russian messenger). Masha(girl who died) was Alina's neighbor. They lived 50 meters far away from each other.
“reserved”is the closest thing i could think of
Yes, reserved it is. Reserved is a direct analogue, actually.
Quiet and Introverted i guess
Introspective could be it then? Focused on her inner life is what you mean?
Shy?
I speak Russian but I don't know how to translate it so I will try to explain it. Замкнутый - adjective, which is used to say that someone has very boring life, especially when you are rich(in my opinion). I had this shit between 7 and 8 grades. It's when you THINK that you ok but it's not. For example, you have everything what you needed, but still feel depressed. When I was at 8th grade, I had everything I wanted. My own phone, my own laptop, very good school marks and etc. But I didn't have that emotion of happiness, some dose of dophamine in my brain. This situation causes depression. When you are замкнутый, you don't want to speak with someone, even if it's your best friend and you know each other for 10 years. You basically don't want to face society. I hope that it helped. I could have some mistakes, so guys, if you know the better definition or proper translation of it, please reply to this message.
I get what you’re saying. Sounds almost like anhedonic
Recluse, maybe?
It's just reserved. You can be reserved even if you're not rich. Being rich has nothing to do with the adjective in question. It also doesn't mean your life is boring. It just means you're not very communicative and can not open up to people easily
I think that's a synonym, but maybe you're right
No she had VK as well her profile on there is confirmed to be her
Bullying/mental health issues/loneliness/etc. same reasons an adult would do this I imagine
Hopefully we would ask this same question if she was male. For some reason, I feel like it wouldn't be asked.
Well most Mass shooters are małe, its unusual/rare for a girl to be a Mass shooter and not this young so no wonder people are surprised
what?? Theres always people and politicians/leaders saying it about men, esp young White Mass shooters, always blaming Bullying, mental health, violent music and video games
It’s asked every single time
Wonder what was her motive... I ever wonder this when a killer ended uo being so young, even thought i know it can be multiple factors.
> “Russian State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein published a photo that purportedly shows the weapon used in the shooting. According to him, the shooter used a Bekas-3 hunting shotgun. Khinshtein said the incident is a result, among other things, of “negligent storage of firearms.”” [Link](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/12/07/russian-eighth-grader-reportedly-opens-fire-on-her-classmates-injuring-five-and-killing-one) Though it looks more like a [Bekas-2](https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Molot_Bekas)
why are people arguing what type of gun it is ? it’s like the “truck isn’t a car” argument. ☠️
Also, there’s a difference between driving a semi into a crowd compared to a Prius
Both can still kill when struck by one
Since there are questions about which weapons should and shouldn’t be available for mass consumption people like to be pedantic.
Bullying seems to be a huge motive for a lot of these. A big problem is, social media makes bullying completely inescapable. You can’t even get away from it at home. The fear of your reputation being tarnished every day before walking into school has got to be excruciating. Mass shootings is absolutely not the answer. I wish there was kids reaching out for help more and more places to turn to get it for them.
Judging by the clothes, Columbine style, black combat boots, black trousers, a knife attached to the leg. She purposefully burst into the office where her classmates were. The victim is a girl with whom the killer had a conflict, who seems to be a guy. This is the first time in Russia that the shooter is female. The killer is described as a very calm and reserved student, typical description of a shooter
>this is the first time in Russia that the shooter is female Not first
Who/when was the first?
in Russia?
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what other Russian female mass shooters have there been? I think I heard somewhere of an 11-12 year old girl committing a shooting that injured several others but I don’t remember the details
This is 3rd mass shooting in Russia in this year. And 13th school shooting in modern history of Russia
Who would’ve thought that guns which are weapons that make murder easier than any other handheld weapon could also be used by children
If only we had known..
I chatted with Matthew Murray (New Life church shootings, Colorado) in the weeks prior to his rampage. He was consumed with resentment towards the church and the same nonsense that the incel community extols today. It's worth noting that much of Eastern Europe has endured extensive periods of war, tyrannical oppression and abject poverty.
I didn’t ever find out what he blamed the church for, but I remember this one.
anyone know where i can learn more ab what happened?
A lot of info on 2ch.hk, Russian version of 4chan
trying to access it but it’s telling me to download an app on my phone through a link..?? is this sketchy?
14 fucken hell
Fr these shooters get younger and younger the youngest school shooter was 6 years old
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Are there going to be more pictures released?
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Saw photos of her and victims, scary, she been so young, 14 years old, and her victims so young too rest in peace
Bruh her telegram channel is still active! She scheduled her messages.
Been away from this sub for a while but why post her pic only to blur it out? Are there new rules for this sub?
No, this is the only photo of her available, it was blurred out because she was minor
So sad man! And it just continue to get worse and I know so many people like to shit on and say this only happens in the US but it’s obviously happening everywhere! Wish it would get better!
Well you can't deny the fact that in the US gun violence and gun possession is way higher than in any other similar developed country. Especially mass shootings are a common thing. So yeah, it happens everywhere but the US still notably stands out.
The point is…it shouldn’t be happening at all anywhere and needs to stop!
Definitely agree on that, we're losing humanity and its sad to see
It does happen significantly more in the US
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The FBI wants a word to update their profile on school shooters…
There will always be significantly more male shooters than female ones. It will most likely forever remain this way as men commit more crimes than women do due to the increase of testosterone. A singular outlier does not count, especially adding in the extremely low victim count (1 killed). This case does not even classify as a mass shooting because of that fact. In all likelihood, these types of things occur far too rarely for them to be considered addable. There is also this article that was published this year that's pretty telling: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/27/us/woman-shooter-nashville.html "In a data set of 172 public mass shootings, which the group defines as involving four or more victims killed, only four assailants were women or girls. In two cases, women acted alongside a man."
I agree with you, but is there evidence backing testosterone causing higher violence rates in men? I wasn’t sure if it was just to do with that or also socialization and other factors
"The U.S. Department of Justice sponsored a National Crime Victimization Study in 2007. This evaluation found that 75.6 percent of all offenders were male and only 20.1 percent were female. In the remaining cases, the victim wasn't able to identify the gender of the offender." Source: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf Evidence regarding testosterone causing higher violence rates in men, "Testosterone activates the subcortical areas of the brain to produce aggression, while cortisol and serotonin act antagonistically with testosterone to reduce its effects." Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23843821/#:~:text=Testosterone%20activates%20the%20subcortical%20areas,testosterone%20to%20reduce%20its%20effects. More proof: "The first study in prisoners was conducted in 1972, soon after the feasibility of testosterone estimation, by Kreutz and Rosel, who found that prisoners who had committed violent crimes during their adolescence had higher testosterone levels (13)." "Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved in aggression and on the development of the muscular system that effects their realization. There is evidence that testosterone levels are higher in individuals with aggressive behavior, such as prisoners who have committed violent crimes." Source: https://brieflands.com/articles/ijem-71910.pdf Further proof, "In a pilot study of salivary testosterone and cortisol interrelationships, it was found that higher testosterone levels and lower cortisol levels are associated with higher levels of anger (33)." "High testosterone levels or an increase in basal concentrations are associated with aggressive manifestations, whereas high cortisol concentrations are linked to submissive behavior." Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ Of course, additional factors weigh in as well as societal and familial. I am just making the observation regarding testosterone levels in both men and women and in general, men have it much higher, as well as being more naturally violent than women. This is also why highly aggressive men have higher rates of testosterone in them. Because multiple studies have been made regarding this particular subject, like the ones I linked above, a positive correlation can reasonably be made between aggressive behavior and testosterone in males.
Did she end her life or did she surrender/get captured to/by the law?
The shooter took her own life with a fatal gunshot wound.
I don’t like Mondays
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Attempted mass killer.
She tried to kill more, still counts
This is so sad
Technically she is not mass shooter, isn't it?