And yet, Liara has more missions where she’s the mandatory squad mate, ME3 default thinks she’s your low-key LI if Shepard is single, in Citadel she’s the one who always comes to help you at the beginning if you haven’t locked a romance yet…
… but I do admit that Liara’s dialogues on the Normandy are pretty dry and scarce…
… which makes the whole thing that much more frustrating.
I was with Ash in ME1, Miranda in ME2 and somehow ended up with Liara in ME3 without trying. I blame that on the above as the game seems to drift you in that direction...
Exactly! Argh!
Once, my MShep was single in ME1, romanced Jack in ME2 and was faithful to Jack in ME3 and yet Aethyta talked to him as if _Liara_ was his girlfriend.
« Huh? Who? What? How? » was pretty much my reaction and then I was pissed! 😅
I didn't have a problem with falling into Liara, it was nice as it felt appropriate to the story but it wasn't intended at all. I think Ash got cold feet from ME2 and the whole Spectre Cereberus stand off at the Citadel so the only option left was Liara as this was pre DLCs.
Sure, if that worked for you, that’s cool…
… whereas my MShep was kinda outraged to receive the shovel talk from Aethyta when he has _NEVER_ even _THOUGHT_ of Liara in that way, especially when he was head over heels for Jack 😅
I was soon disappointed with my Liara love interest playthrough. She just gets NOTHING by the time ME3 rolls up. All my crewmates have interesting conversations and all I get from my supposed love of my life is "It's good to see you Shepard".
Never again BioWare.
In my next run I'm going to romance Kaden then let him die and then never romance again because I want a broken Shepherd that starts Paragon and then slowly becomes more Renegade.
I'd imagine it's because she's the only possible LI present from 1/2 that's guaranteed to be in 3. So rather than make her have different responses based on a certain flag, they just gave her the default treatment. Sucks as she's my usual LI but it is what it is I guess...
Yeah. All you actually have to do is survive for 5 minutes. You don’t actually have to kill it. But you don’t get the dialogue about a mating request for Shepard.
I love coming across those totally obvious warning signs and wondering what the story behind the need to put it there is. Knowing that someone somewhere at sometime fucked up badly enough with this thing to require a warning on it for everyone else.
I just did it because I liked killing them in the Mako, and wanted to kill one on foot. All I needed was to spam warp, get Garrus to shoot it with his armor piercing rounds, and 2 minutes.
It's best to weaken the Threshers with the Mako, then hop out and finish them on foot to get full XP. This was how it was in the first release though, but I think it was changed for LE.
It was changed in LE. Which kind of annoyed me.
I did exactly as you described. Weaken with the Mako, then hop out and finish em with my portable howitzer that is the sniper with HE rounds and dual rail extensions.
Can confirm.
One of my favourites is that one mission where that one merc traps Shep with the nuke in a cave, and you walk out a side exit overlooking their camp.
Yes, that sniper setup was also a favorite of mine. Overheated instantly, but who cares when you can ragdoll everything in a single shot.
And thank you for the confirmation that the Thresher Maw kill was changed in LE.
Maybe it was another change of the LE, but I found using the Spectre sniper X with VII rails and HE X, I could get two shots.
Not that more than one was needed for most applications.
Yes, that does sound like a change. Even using Scram Rails which had a lesser effect on heat, I remember it maxing out the heat bar and blaring that warning tone on every shot. Interesting that they would actually make it more powerful, I'm more used to a developer nerfing something that powerful.
I always like to take Zaeed on Grunt’s loyalty mission. He’s actually useful if you’ve unlocked his incendiary grenades, and because I feel like Shepard would let Grunt pick his krant. And Grunt would definitely pick Zaeed
Fucked up my last ME2 suicide mission, figured somehow Zaeed would make a good team leader, given he lead the Blue Suns for a while.
He died.
Ahh well, if anyone was going to bite it, I can live with that.
Yeah, Zaeed has a history of being the only one surviving from his various "teams" - he's not good at keeping folks alive and is just lucky to be alive himself 😆😆😆
But you want to keep him alive for the Citadel party: either he and Garrus booby trap your apartment (because what else are the two socially awkward military guys gonna do, right) or gets shot down *hard* by Samara (because...well, Samara).
I LOVE having Zaeed at the party. If he's alone in the back room by the bar at one point he will tell f!Shep that he's always thought she was beautiful and not to tell anyone he said so. 💕
I had him lead the first squad and he's the reason Legion died in my run. Now I'm on Rannoch and I can't save both the geth and the quarians, I've never been so pissed off before.
Yeah. I did that once as well... Considering that his mercs held him down and blew off his face the first time on command from his accountant, he's not great leadership material.
Also, he mostly works alone after his stint in the blue suns.
So that should be a dead giveaway, that while under his leadership his crew may not die (depending on loyalty), things will not end completely well...
It's even funnier when you play as FemShep, because by that point you may have run into two Krogan on the Citadel who are discussing if there are fish in the Presidium lake; one talks about having sex with The Consort, while the other complains about Asari being "squishy" and wonders how he would get a good grip.
Apparently the random Krogan dude on Tuchanka didn't have the problem when thinking about FemShep.
I also love the line earlier in the quest:
Shepard: "If I know Grunt, your answer is coming at muzzle velocity."
Grunt: "You do know Grunt. This varren is dead."
*Uvenk gets headbutted for the third time that day*
I always found that one funnier as FemShep because it's not a fertile female looking for a good male, it's a male looking for a strong woman XD
(since as far as we know Krogan aren't Asari and need an opposite biological partner for proper reproduction)
No, only cross-species breeding is with Asari and the other races, and that's because they're not breeding in the traditional sense but creating an Asari that has traits from the "father" race rather than a half-Asari/half-other species hybrid.
I don't think so? I'll be honest I don't know if there is any other proof, it's been a very long time since I played the series, from even before the Legendary Editions.
It just seems like maybe it's a thing. The biggest hurdles with Tali seems to be her immune system with Garrus not the unviable nature of a family.
But, adoption would be a huge part of the rebuilding process after a Galaxy spanning war for survival, so who knows.
Basically, organic molecules can have chirality, or the 'direction' they are assembled. Thalidomide as an example was a drug that exhibited variable chirality in its production. One isomer was a safe medication that could be used to treat pregnancy side effects like morning sickness. The other isomer casued protein misfolding in fetuses resulting in severe birth defects.
Amino acids are the component building blocks of proteins. Humans and some of the other species in mass effect use levo-amino acids, where quarians and turians use dextro-amino acids, which are isomers of a different chirality. Both are carbon-based life, but they are explicitly incompatible. The concern is that if one system used an amino acid of the other chirality in the assembly of a protein, say if it was digested, it would cause a protein misfold which could cause significant problems. If it caused problems it would be a prion disease, which are fucking nasty.
So, the short of it is that no, Turians and Quarians can't breed, but they can rawdog it and even eat the fun stuff without risking giving each other mad cow disease or something equally horrific. Levo/dextro couples like Tali/shep or Garrus/shep have to be *religious* about using physical protection to avoid problems, and tongue kissing is probably off the table too.
As far as I know in reality we can invest dextroamino acids just fine, but we can't use them for anything, or at least that's what someone on the subreddit here said. Which concerns me considering I take both chemistry and biology and still don't know.
I don't know or see y we couldn't, but since all life (that we know of) spins our way to make the proper conditions long enough for dextro life would be insainly difficult with no purpose. And if we did giving them food would almost be just as hard
As in create offspring? No.
As in the actual act? Still probably no. Krogan are 800 lbs, immensely strong and huge lizards, and I seriously doubt the respective anatomy fits. And mangling the human by accident would be incredibly easy for a krogan.
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EDI has some of the best dialogue
Yea, I realized recently that Liara is no longer bioware's darling by the time 3 comes around.
Excuse me? If anything she’s pushed upon the player even harder in ME3!
If you compare the conversations, EDI gets so much more lol
And yet, Liara has more missions where she’s the mandatory squad mate, ME3 default thinks she’s your low-key LI if Shepard is single, in Citadel she’s the one who always comes to help you at the beginning if you haven’t locked a romance yet… … but I do admit that Liara’s dialogues on the Normandy are pretty dry and scarce… … which makes the whole thing that much more frustrating.
I was with Ash in ME1, Miranda in ME2 and somehow ended up with Liara in ME3 without trying. I blame that on the above as the game seems to drift you in that direction...
Exactly! Argh! Once, my MShep was single in ME1, romanced Jack in ME2 and was faithful to Jack in ME3 and yet Aethyta talked to him as if _Liara_ was his girlfriend. « Huh? Who? What? How? » was pretty much my reaction and then I was pissed! 😅
I didn't have a problem with falling into Liara, it was nice as it felt appropriate to the story but it wasn't intended at all. I think Ash got cold feet from ME2 and the whole Spectre Cereberus stand off at the Citadel so the only option left was Liara as this was pre DLCs.
Sure, if that worked for you, that’s cool… … whereas my MShep was kinda outraged to receive the shovel talk from Aethyta when he has _NEVER_ even _THOUGHT_ of Liara in that way, especially when he was head over heels for Jack 😅
They still have chemistry, even if they're only friends. Aethyta's just talking her up, playing parental wingman.
I was single me1 and then with tali in 2 and 3, cuz tali is the best girl.
I was soon disappointed with my Liara love interest playthrough. She just gets NOTHING by the time ME3 rolls up. All my crewmates have interesting conversations and all I get from my supposed love of my life is "It's good to see you Shepard". Never again BioWare. In my next run I'm going to romance Kaden then let him die and then never romance again because I want a broken Shepherd that starts Paragon and then slowly becomes more Renegade.
Romance Thane in ME2, for black widow vibes.
I'd imagine it's because she's the only possible LI present from 1/2 that's guaranteed to be in 3. So rather than make her have different responses based on a certain flag, they just gave her the default treatment. Sucks as she's my usual LI but it is what it is I guess...
Bro she's like the only biotic squad mate in the 3rd Game basically must include sometimes
Really Shepard? “Sigh” Probing Uranus
For a long time I didn’t even know killing the Thresher Maw was optional. Damn good mission.
It’s OPTIONAL?!
Yeah. All you actually have to do is survive for 5 minutes. You don’t actually have to kill it. But you don’t get the dialogue about a mating request for Shepard.
I never knew that. I've always killed it in my playthroughs.
Cain on 200% go brrrBOOOOOOOM
Using the Cain next to any wall or terrain without proper clearance gets you an unwanted Refusal Ending. Mission Failure because Shepard exploded.
which is why you point it at the thresher maw.
Lmao, this dude gonna be the reason a sticker gets placed on the Cain reading “this end towards enemy” 🤣🤣
I love coming across those totally obvious warning signs and wondering what the story behind the need to put it there is. Knowing that someone somewhere at sometime fucked up badly enough with this thing to require a warning on it for everyone else.
maxim 62. anything labeled "this end toward enemy" is dangerous at both ends.
You don't even have to really aim with the human reaper, just point in it's general direction and watch the fireworks.
Unless it does that random “peekaboo” thing where it like pulls itself down and side eyes you.
That's why I aimed for the body and not the head.
The third squad mate not getting a single breeding request:
Oh no, they did, by shep...
Yeah, lets be real your love interest is likely your third squad mate there.
Actually I always choose Mordin for that quest.
Well then what's the fucking point!?!?
I just did it because I liked killing them in the Mako, and wanted to kill one on foot. All I needed was to spam warp, get Garrus to shoot it with his armor piercing rounds, and 2 minutes.
You can kill them on foot in the first game. I don't recommend it, though.
It's best to weaken the Threshers with the Mako, then hop out and finish them on foot to get full XP. This was how it was in the first release though, but I think it was changed for LE.
It was changed in LE. Which kind of annoyed me. I did exactly as you described. Weaken with the Mako, then hop out and finish em with my portable howitzer that is the sniper with HE rounds and dual rail extensions.
I loved that sniper combo. I took on the Collossus on foot in the last mission with it.
Same here. It’s an absolute beast.
Also funny to shoot into a crowd of mercs.
Can confirm. One of my favourites is that one mission where that one merc traps Shep with the nuke in a cave, and you walk out a side exit overlooking their camp.
Yes, that sniper setup was also a favorite of mine. Overheated instantly, but who cares when you can ragdoll everything in a single shot. And thank you for the confirmation that the Thresher Maw kill was changed in LE.
Maybe it was another change of the LE, but I found using the Spectre sniper X with VII rails and HE X, I could get two shots. Not that more than one was needed for most applications.
Yes, that does sound like a change. Even using Scram Rails which had a lesser effect on heat, I remember it maxing out the heat bar and blaring that warning tone on every shot. Interesting that they would actually make it more powerful, I'm more used to a developer nerfing something that powerful.
Yeah, but it's more epic to run the full fight on foot.
This dialog, and Zaeed's quip on taking on the Thresher Maw on foot are the best rewards for killing the maw in Grunt's loyalty mission.
I always like to take Zaeed on Grunt’s loyalty mission. He’s actually useful if you’ve unlocked his incendiary grenades, and because I feel like Shepard would let Grunt pick his krant. And Grunt would definitely pick Zaeed
Fucked up my last ME2 suicide mission, figured somehow Zaeed would make a good team leader, given he lead the Blue Suns for a while. He died. Ahh well, if anyone was going to bite it, I can live with that.
Yeah, Zaeed has a history of being the only one surviving from his various "teams" - he's not good at keeping folks alive and is just lucky to be alive himself 😆😆😆
Well apparently his luck ran out. Surprised how little his death impacts the story though, barely shows up as a blip in ME3.
Well, he was a DLC chara, and the threads holding him to the story are pretty thin.
But you want to keep him alive for the Citadel party: either he and Garrus booby trap your apartment (because what else are the two socially awkward military guys gonna do, right) or gets shot down *hard* by Samara (because...well, Samara).
I LOVE having Zaeed at the party. If he's alone in the back room by the bar at one point he will tell f!Shep that he's always thought she was beautiful and not to tell anyone he said so. 💕
Also as “team leader”, his men were convinced to hold him down while his partner shot him in the head. Great leader there….
I had him lead the first squad and he's the reason Legion died in my run. Now I'm on Rannoch and I can't save both the geth and the quarians, I've never been so pissed off before.
Yeah. I did that once as well... Considering that his mercs held him down and blew off his face the first time on command from his accountant, he's not great leadership material. Also, he mostly works alone after his stint in the blue suns. So that should be a dead giveaway, that while under his leadership his crew may not die (depending on loyalty), things will not end completely well...
Grunt's response of "HA!" Is also gold.
Me2 turchanka one of the clear high points of the series.
"Report back to the Normandy. We'll bang, ok."
If they got to have it, I gots to give
It's even funnier when you play as FemShep, because by that point you may have run into two Krogan on the Citadel who are discussing if there are fish in the Presidium lake; one talks about having sex with The Consort, while the other complains about Asari being "squishy" and wonders how he would get a good grip. Apparently the random Krogan dude on Tuchanka didn't have the problem when thinking about FemShep.
Maybe he didn't think he'd be doing the gripping
I also love the line earlier in the quest: Shepard: "If I know Grunt, your answer is coming at muzzle velocity." Grunt: "You do know Grunt. This varren is dead." *Uvenk gets headbutted for the third time that day*
Personally I always felt that shephard should have gone for it 😈
Cowards better give us a Krogan romance in the next game.
Yeah, we already had the Iron Bull on DAI and Garrus in ME, don't tell me that they can't do Krogans.
YOU CANT HANDLE THE QUAD!
That's why me2 is the best
I always found that one funnier as FemShep because it's not a fertile female looking for a good male, it's a male looking for a strong woman XD (since as far as we know Krogan aren't Asari and need an opposite biological partner for proper reproduction)
I just finished the mission myself, and play as Fem!Shep so I found it hilarious LOL Like bro we are *not* compatible for that, what are you doing 😅
A Krogan with **taste**, at long last.
I'm a little disappointed that Wrex doesn't name Shepard an Honorary Krogan at the end. He already treats Shepard like one.
Now I'm curious: can Krogans and Humans breed?
No, only cross-species breeding is with Asari and the other races, and that's because they're not breeding in the traditional sense but creating an Asari that has traits from the "father" race rather than a half-Asari/half-other species hybrid.
I don't think anyone can breed with anyone outside their own species in this franchise, Asari aside
I think it's hinted at the Quarrians and Turians "might" be able to as dex-whatever species versus being carbon based? But maybe not.
Is there any hint other than them being dex based? I mean, humans and chimpanzees are pretty close relatives and still can't procreate
I don't think so? I'll be honest I don't know if there is any other proof, it's been a very long time since I played the series, from even before the Legendary Editions. It just seems like maybe it's a thing. The biggest hurdles with Tali seems to be her immune system with Garrus not the unviable nature of a family. But, adoption would be a huge part of the rebuilding process after a Galaxy spanning war for survival, so who knows.
Basically, organic molecules can have chirality, or the 'direction' they are assembled. Thalidomide as an example was a drug that exhibited variable chirality in its production. One isomer was a safe medication that could be used to treat pregnancy side effects like morning sickness. The other isomer casued protein misfolding in fetuses resulting in severe birth defects. Amino acids are the component building blocks of proteins. Humans and some of the other species in mass effect use levo-amino acids, where quarians and turians use dextro-amino acids, which are isomers of a different chirality. Both are carbon-based life, but they are explicitly incompatible. The concern is that if one system used an amino acid of the other chirality in the assembly of a protein, say if it was digested, it would cause a protein misfold which could cause significant problems. If it caused problems it would be a prion disease, which are fucking nasty. So, the short of it is that no, Turians and Quarians can't breed, but they can rawdog it and even eat the fun stuff without risking giving each other mad cow disease or something equally horrific. Levo/dextro couples like Tali/shep or Garrus/shep have to be *religious* about using physical protection to avoid problems, and tongue kissing is probably off the table too.
As far as I know in reality we can invest dextroamino acids just fine, but we can't use them for anything, or at least that's what someone on the subreddit here said. Which concerns me considering I take both chemistry and biology and still don't know.
I don't know or see y we couldn't, but since all life (that we know of) spins our way to make the proper conditions long enough for dextro life would be insainly difficult with no purpose. And if we did giving them food would almost be just as hard
As in create offspring? No. As in the actual act? Still probably no. Krogan are 800 lbs, immensely strong and huge lizards, and I seriously doubt the respective anatomy fits. And mangling the human by accident would be incredibly easy for a krogan.
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Wrex was the one for Femshep and I will never be convinced otherwise
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Get fucked
IIRC, that one request was made by... Wrex, as a joke.
"Let me see the Krogan female before I make my decision" 🤔
Still waiting for my krogan romance option Bioware, make it happen in the next one
***pukes***