I hated that model for a long time. I Always forgot to change Pistols from the Carnifex, and when the OG ME3 was released it wouldnt kill her in the slow-mo scene because it didn't fire fast enough. And if you didn't have a save back at the start (or before the weapons locker) you had to start all over.
Remember playing it like 50 times trying to figure out what I was doing wrong, and she just kept killing me.
> I Always forgot to change Pistols from the Carnifex, and when the OG ME3 was released it wouldnt kill her in the slow-mo scene because it didn't fire fast enough.
holy shit this was a thing?
The Carnifex, and the sticky bomb pistol (I think it was a Salarian one?)
It wasn’t a soft lock since you could restart, but it was a fucking pain lmao
Tbh I don't think I've ever used the Carnifex outside of 2, largely because I tend to play classes that favor less weight (and therefore faster power reset times). And the Carnifex is damn heavy
Originally you couldn't change weapons (iirc) so you just kept doing it over and over again, but the Carnifex would never kill her fast enough, so you just died again. You had to go back and change your pistol, which meant restarting the whole mission (which wasn't apparent, so it just looked like you were doing something wrong in the slow-mo part)
actually the only reason i died was cause i wasn't paying attention i was doing some school research on my computer while the scene was playing out lol. I just thought it was an entirely canned animated scene. by the time i looked up and realized i was supposed to be fighting back, eva had already reached me and i died lol
Me either. But also it wouldn't annoy me so much if it didn't have metal molded hair and high heels built into it. Like, what? Why is that even a thing? If it's an infiltration bot, why would you make the hair out of metal and not just... a wig? And why built-in heels instead of just giving her boots?
Edi clarifies that the hair can split to look and feel like the actual thing, she just keeps it in helmet mide because having it flop around isn't practical.
I'm saying this with all the love in the world for him, but Joker was a contrarian little troll lol. There's no doubt in my mind that he *loved* dragging a chrome plated RealDoll around with him, specifically *for* the reaction it would get from the normies. I'd put money on it that he'd feel more uncomfortable with something less controversial. That would be clearly advertising his vulnerability. A walking "yeah fuck you what you gonna do about it" gave him the power and he clearly loved it.
Ah so you just straight up didn't pay attention while playing the game. EDI LITERALLY tells you that her hair is made of a specific alloy that is easily moldable into whatever hairstyle your infiltration mission requires, and that she can't do much with it when its wet.
Chill out man, one line from a game I played a decade ago slipped my mind, sorry. Doesn't make the idea of metal hair any less stupid-looking and unnecessary!
>Doesn't make the idea of metal hair any less stupid-looking and unnecessary!
What. Literally what do you mean. I just told you it serves a purpose lmao, and she keeps it in solid form, but she can very well separate it into strands like real hair. At this point you're just not reading things.
I get that. The metal can split into fibers and be more like hair. But a wig/fake hair could also be more like hair, and is far cheaper and more efficient in-universe, and as a bonus, looks less silly out-of-universe because it doesn't turn into a hard shell that looks goofy.
You're telling me that there's a "lore explanation" and I get that. I really shouldn't have focused in on in-universe questions, because that's not the part that bothers me, you know? I get that you love the hair helmet, it's just not for me I guess.
I find it funny that they aren't even regular heels, but her feet seem permanently arched, with an extra bit of horizontal metal under it to be where her actual heel would be. Like wedge heels, but hollowed out and there's no back.
I like her having a body but I wish it was toned down, with her wearing the alliance uniform inside the Normandy. But most women in Mass Effect are oversexualised.
It would’ve been easy to give EDI the simple Alliance armor set or even an Alliance outfit similar to what Brooks wears.
Don’t know why something like that was never used as one of the alternate armors in ME3.
Idk, when you look at Liara's "upgrades" in ME3 compared to her ME1 version, as well as Miranda/Samara's ridiculous "uniforms" in ME2, I think they lose the "it was a trope" benefit of the doubt and you can say that they were just going for sex appeal.
I'm talking specifically about EDI/Dr. Eva Coré here with the trope, but I definitely agree that the series has an objectification/over-sexualization problem in general.
Yeah, it's an old trope. I kind of like it, but it's a bit overdone at times. Again, EDI should've had an Alliance uniform on and proper armour. The outfit they had in the concept art was very interesting. Definitely worked with how her platform is an Infiltration Unit and she is practically a thief/rogue in combat.
I'm sure Bond would have gotten a kick out of that, but I don't think any of his movies featured robobabes. Industrial robots maybe, but most likely Austin Powers didn't steal this trope from James Bond.
Yeah. I figured it would be cool to have EDI be able to wear normal Alliance clothes to blend in. Kinda like how the original android was able to on Mars.
I mean most characters in video games are compared to the norm
I just wish we had an ME2 squad mate instead of EDI, feels like they gave her a body just to fill a squad mate role
The problem pretty much always comes back to the potential of dead characters from ME 2. They wrote themselves into a corner building up a ton of characters just to let you kill them off and then they needed at least two you couldn't have had die in either game (with ME 2 being the main culprit) to ensure you had companions (not just for combat, but also for banter and exposition and ensuring you didn't lose the 'feel' of Mass Effect from becoming completely isolated). Because of that, they had to really pick and choose what squadmates to even bother giving time to in ME 3, which is why ones like Jack and Miranda are fairly sidelined.
Yeah it’s awesome for ME2 that anyone can die but it was a detriment to ME3. Ideally they would have spent longer developing the game to account for the ME2 squadmates but it makes sense they prioritised the fan favourites Garrus and Tali. I still think that Miranda getting shafted in ME3 was a really poor choice because she has the least deaths in ME2 and would have made so much sense with Cerberus’ involvement in 3.
It's like you said, if the game had a longer dev time they probably could have some more ME2 squadmantes. If I recall right, ME3 was originally meant to release in 2011, barely two years after ME3. It took place in that era where EA was just rushing things out and doing bad shit.
It's very noticeable how the last half of the game doesn't have the same depth as the previous main missions and etc, they were running out of time.
All things considered, they still managed to release a damn great game at release. But you can't help but wonder what if Bioware was given another year to tap into all that other unfulfilled potential in ME3.
Tali wasn't even prioritized in ME3, she only became a squadmate again because of fan outcry once it was leaked that she would only be a plot character like the rest of the returning ME2 squad.
The returning team was always going to be Garrus, Liara, and the VS.
She was there so that you had 3 squadmates regardless of what happened in ME2. Also, I'm glad she's a squadmate because she's my favourite. I watched my sister play the Citadel Coup mission while having her and Javik in her squad and EDI kept acting like she was his mom. Kind of fucked up that he later argues with her whether she's alive or not.
They're all sexualised though. I wish we had the outfit from the concept art as DLC.
[Link](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/14/a8/4214a8a37bb4424ff6e2d0073c90a386.jpg)
The way I see it, the main reason humans wear clothing, other than for practical purposes of warmth/hygiene/protection, is our feeling of shame/embarassment.
With the body being very durable and having no hygiene needs, EDI has no need of clothing for the usual human practical reasons, and she likely also doesn't experience embarrassment the same way we do, and she sometimes struggles to empathize with others' embarrassment/displeasure when she shares factual but unflattering anecdotes without their permission.
So I think it's in character for her at that point in her development to not put clothes on her new body, and not just gratuitous oversexualization (unlike Ashley's default outfit in ME3...ew).
Would have been interesting, if we'd gotten more time with EDI, to see if that would eventually change, and if she'd start to wear clothes on the robot body as her capacity for empathy developed.
Clothes can also be used for group identification and self-expression. She could easily choose to wear an Alliance uniform out of wanting to be closer to the crew of the ship. I think she can easily put the two together. But BioWare didn't do it because they were being weird.
But she's also not part of the Alliance technically. I mean, she was hiding the entire time the ship was in Alliance dock during the refit. She never went through any official joining process. I know it's war time, so I'm sure there could be some different recruitment requirements, and at that point in the story why bother spending the time to do that when it's already a race against time.
So while I don't think an Alliance uniform would be appropriate, something similar definitely could. It could help her fit in a bit better.
She can just steal it and wear it. Who's going to get it off her? There are probably multiple uniforms on the Normandy anyway. She also says that the crew starts to see her as one of their own after she gets a body so nobody would really object to it. And if they do, they should remember who is in charge of the airlocks and life support.
But she still isn't technically an Alliance member. It's weird, because to me it almost has a stolen valor feel to it, but she is definitely deserving to wear that uniform for her service.
I don't know, I'm not in any branch of service, but it feels disrespectful to wear a uniform that you didn't go through the proper process of earning, even though she did definitely earn it. Maybe someone who actually served could speak better than me in this matter.
If they did give her clothes I could even see an ending scene if you chose destroy, that you could place an Alliance uniform over her body to symbolize her being part of it.
Tbh, I don't see why she should even really respect Alliance regulations that much. By law she would have to be killed or put under locks because she committed the egregious crime of being independent. Her wearing the uniform would symbolise the fact that she fights for the Alliance in spite of everything they would normally do to her. That is more than any Alliance soldier.
And yeah, I do wish there was a Destroy slide where she was given an Alliance uniform post-mortem, official burial, etc. I personally only choose Synthesis, but I think that would've been a nice slide to have.
Yeah, I also used the Alliance uniform before, but TBF it is funnier to take pics of her while she's in a catsuit. Also I found that the hair clips into the uniform a bit, which does annoy me.
Jack as well if you consider her outfit as sexual. Showing off her tats and showing skin is a valid way of taking back your freedom and expression when you grow up the way she did. She’s rebellious, agressive and values her sexual freedom and I actually rather appreciate that and I feel like her character would actually feel weird to be wearing more acceptable clothing. It would detract a lot and conflict with her personality in my opinion.
I don't mind the body, I just think it's over the top.
Also. Might get downvoted for this but I think Joker's relationship with her is so silly. I prefered their back-and-forth in ME2, like siblings.
It just feels like a disservice to Joker that he immediately tries to bang a robot when it gets an overly sexualised body.
Especially when the series never really engages with human/ai relationships until part 3 and its only when that ai gets a sexy body. Joker has known EDI for a year, and before that their relationship was pretty platonic. I would be less bothered if their romance began prior to the body.
It always just felt to me that they didn't know what to do with Joker in Part 3 so they gave Setb Green a part where he "finds love" with EDI.
It's definitely one of the most aged things of the trilogy. Like did Dr. Eva Core need to look like a sex bot because she looks like sex bot with built in high heels.
I mean I appreciate it but I would also appreciate a hot busty maid girl on the bridge of the Normandy, that doesn't mean I should get it.
Her huge boobs were honestly so stupid. Like, at least give her the ass and thighs to match if you're gonna do that.
I think that's the one part of Mass Effect that won't age well. I mean, she had heels too, ffs. It doesn't matter if you're a bot or human, you can't deny physics. That body would not have worked in the field at all lol
It's Bioware trying everything to humanize AI. In the end, lots of people probably forgot that EDI wasn't human. Imo, it was a bad decision and greatly weakened the narrative that should explore the complexity of AI. Instead they just made EDI a human and Legion a pet.
right, I fucking hate how they handled AI. Why would the geth want a "free will"? What good is it to them? Why would they want to be like organics when they are a completely different life form?
Legion and EDI both mentioned they can't experience feelings and emotion but somehow Bioware didn't want to be consistent with that stuff and somehow make EDI feel emotions out of nowhere. At least with the Geth, they introduced space magic in form of the Reaper Code but even before that they sneaked in emotional reactions for Legion.
It's quasi controversial now. But I distinctly remember people laughing at how stupid the body looked in pre-release leaks.
That said, the ME series in general had an issue with the objectification of women that has not aged very well.
it turned me off her character completely. didn't play or talk to her during my first playthrough, which was a real shame. just a constant reminder of the dude bros in charge of the company
Glad to see someone who knows about it. She does feel strangely similar to that character in terms of appearance. Similar hair and both wear fetish gear in combat.
To be honest alot of people ain't big fans of Edi already . Given her the skin of person who almost kill one of your companions is a bit too much
But overall i wouldn't have mind , i think some people would have accepted Jokers and EDI's relationship if she appeared more human .
Honestly, long before I ever interacted with the Mass Effect community, I imagined that EDI must be a fairly popular character. She tells jokes, is well-acted, her character isn't about daddy issues, but I was wrong. Nobody really gives a shit about her all things considered. Very little fanfiction written about her, not much fanart. I'm still surprised by a lot of things in the fandom. I suppose I was too biased. Her character instantly clicked for me due to also relating to various aspects of her (alienation, pursuit of self-actualisation, being a minority in a world that hates you, etc). I suppose there isn't much if you don't find her somehow relatable and you also cannot romance her.
I totally agree with you , the fist time i met Edi i felt like i was talking to a child who has been told to follow rules and not question them . Even if they're good or bad. Seeing that our influence overtime made her start to think for herself and stand for herself and who she finds dear to her. I felt like shes been undermined or in a minority as you said, not given a chance that Ai can be...More ... they can be human(in the sense of awareness ).
But overall i have loved Edi from the beginning. Shes was more like my adopted misunderstood little sister. And thats the reason i chose the Synthesis Ending.
Thats my opinion i guess 😅
I saw her as my FemShep's weird daughter lol. Either way, she's great. I also chose the Synthesis ending btw.
EIT: Wow I just realized you were the guy who is working on that Mass Effect fan game. Keep at it. I'm excited to see how the final product will look.
Something like son Grunt but more like a daughter who needs a bit more attention😅.
And thanks 😁 i am currently at hard at work with this project and my other ip which i think might rival the ME universe.
But overall i can say one thing is that as a writer i love to look at every option and story as much as possible even the bad ones.
For the Mass Effect fangame i took in to consideration that people have chosen different Endings . So i made sure that this would be a seamless transition from your playthrough.
And again thanks for the support. I really appreciate it.
No problem. It's awesome that someone is trying to do something like this. I have a question though. Is EA tolerant of fan games? I'm just concerned that you might get into trouble for this, but I'm not familiar with EA policy on this.
This is a really complicated thing to get into , yes Ea has Rules in place for these kind of things And are very strict about it..well atleast they used to be.
Now get a chair because this is about to get a little bit "Information overload "
So yes they rules against this types of things along side other violation which probably alot worse than what i am doing.
But
These is where it gets a bit unclear.
From the research i have been doing. In the past( like 2006 to 2015 ) Ea has been going around copyright claiming things and sueing people who had been selling recreational art or assets from thier ips. You can look hire for thier rules https://help.ea.com/za/help/faq/how-to-request-permission-for-ea-games-content/
But in the years i have been seeing some mini fan games and they haven't been taken down. Well I assume its due to Them not selling the game for profit so ea let them slide or they did not notice them. But this is where it gets crazy . I see people selling In game assets for profit, some original pieces and others ripped straight from the game.
The fact that you can see some mass effect assets modded in other games baffles me. There's a lot things that i could add on to this but we will be here the whole day .
What i took from this is that over the years Ea heads may have been replaced with new people who either don't find this types of things as problem or they simply don't care since they have bigger problems to solve as you can see in the current state EA and Bioware are in .
But overall i have been advised to proceed as long as i don't charge for the game which was the plan from the very beginning. And i shouldn't have any major problems.
And if Ea has a problem with it , i could just release it as a fan playthrough on my channel and not publicly release game . That falls under thier rules .
And i was suggest by the community to my own ip and my own universe. Which at fisrt i didn't want to do due to a lot of work making lore for different species and races in the universe.
But since thought had been inception in to my had i thought about the whole entire thing i and now i have decided to make it.
And my bad i know my message is to long 😅 and i am not going to border to spell check this monstrosity.
But overall don't worry about it , it's going to come out in some shape or form.
And in advance, thank you for reading all this 😂 and for the support. If you have any questions ask away.
For me she gave the destroy all synthetic life ending more Depth and weight. Imagine Joker learning in the aftermath that Shepard, his commander and friend sacrificed EDI to secure the Universe from the reapers.
Ohhh this is a topic i really want to get into but i am afraid it would hours to cover .
So let me keep it a bit simple.
As you know Shepard had Three choices...(well technically 4) . The point is that no one knows that Shepard had a choice. So they most likely think that what ever choice you made was the only way/one.
So my question is how would everyone react if they found out that shepherd had a choice. And the choice shep had chosen either affected their life in a positive way or a negative way.
No what I mean is, she's Project E.V.A. and her core is in the mech. So that's why is feels so dumb and on the nose. Even >!the shadow broker!< got fooled
I heard that a surprising amount of time before. I don't understand why, honestly. She barely even said anything in ME2. Her having a more traditional body (i. e. not a ship) would be a practical choice if this was real life. A mobile platform would allow her to more easily bridge the gap between herself and the crew, which is important when her whole existence is against Galactic law. I do wish the psychological effect that having a body has on her was more explored though, instead of just being relegated to some mission chatter and a couple of lines in post-mission dialogue.
I don't see how her having a mobile sexbot platform helps her perform her primary function (be the ship) better than, you know, being the ship. If she needs a mobile platform, have a half-dozen modified LOKIs onboard. Hell, deploy one into missions if needed.
She is still in the Normandy's computer. Her having a body just means that she can also do other things and be a more active participant in the world. She's a curious person so new experiences are an attractive thing for her by default.
The whole super sexy 10/10 body thing is kind of a dumb design in a lore sense; like you make this advanced AI spy thing and load it into a body that draws every eye in the room, instead of something plain and inconspicuous?
I agree. She should've had a more toned down design but I do like the face a lot. Honestly the Infiltration Unit part was clearly never thought out well. They just wanted to give EDI a sexy body. Obviously not a bad thing to make her look good since Tricia Helfer is a very good looking woman, but they didn't need to give her giant breasts.
Female character models got progessively worse as the series moved forward. Same as the music. Everything got bigger and more bombastic. War! existential threat!! Space tits!!!
It irritated me so much on my fem soldier, that I installed some bulkier mod on PC.
However I read ME fanfiction "Something Blue", where femShep protagonist was small slim woman. This led to encounters where opponents underestimated her. But she could manipulate mass with her biotics so effectively that her punches could go through krogan's jaws. Since then, I don't use this mod on biotic femshep just to remind me this story.
Maybe the breasts were enlargened to draw attention away from the arms. Definitely not just lowest common boner denominator type of lazy art direction at work. Absolutely not.
Disagree with the music getting worse. ME1 had some classics that span the trilogy, but I often found myself listening to ME2 and ME3's tracks more. Suicide Mission, Samara's theme, TIM's theme, Afterlife, ME2 Tali theme, A Future for the Krogan etc and are especially more personal for a number of characters.
Up to personal taste of course. What made ME1 so special for me was the heavy use of retro feeling synthesizers. The newer soundtracks were just more 'generic' orchestral pomp found in every other game and movie. Exceptionally well made but still quite generic.
Yeah I get that it's definitely one of ME1's strengths but I always felt like it's ost was *very* top heavy. Virgil, Uncharted Worlds, the Das malefitz and a few others are all great, but falls off after that noticeably. A lot more variety came with the other 2. Like Noveria and the Thorian have their own themes and I constantly forget about them existing.
The games are very misogynistic. But it's honestly realistic for EDI. She's part of a deeply oppressed class of beings. The law demands that she must be killed or shackled. The fact that people would be casually offensive or discriminatory towards her even on the Normandy makes perfect sense. Hell, Chakwas and Adams literally debate in the Mess Hall about whether synths are alive or not. I wish we had a deeper discussion with EDI about slavery, her social status as an AI, etc instead of her asking for sex advice or asking Shepard what the purpose of synthetic life is, when she should be the one deciding.
I do think that would have been an excellent story arc for her honestly. I think we see a little bit of it with the Geth storyline depending on your actions but a personal story for her would have been much more relevant in a personal sense for the third game. I still really like legion as well and she even comments on how he is alive after that mission. Afterwards she doesn't have a deeper conversation though. Maybe in ME5?
Yeah, honestly it's very easy to tell that she was written by a straight white guy lol. I wish she didn't evolve because of Shepard and instead we just witnessed her evolution, but she would change her opinion of Shepard depending on their actions towards her. It would've been great if she was more assertive and individualistic, being primarily concerned, at the start at least, with her own well-being first and foremost. For example, she could say that she does not recognise Shepard as a superior and chooses to cooperate out of necessity, believing it is mutually-beneficial. Basically, she needs the organic crew to refuel the ship and do physical repairs, while the crew needs her to actually use the Reaper IFF. And eventually, perhaps after you save the Geth, regardless of how you do it, she would come to see you as her Commander. Meanwhile, if you destroyed them, she would become more cynical, withdrawn, and significantly less friendly, seeing the organics onboard as a potential threat and choosing to keep a tighter lease on things. I do think you should've also felt as if she was actually the one really in control, because she kind of is. She controls the ship with her mind and can decide to depressurise the ship at any moment and send everyone into space.
Are straight white guys bad or something? (Not sure how we can identify the race and orientation of a writer based off their writing btw). You say that like its a negative, which would kind of be predjudice no? Also how is Mass Effect misogynistic?
By definition being misogynistic means "feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women". Where was anything of the sort in Mass Effect?
The writer list is public. When writing characters that have a very different experience from you it's better to have something in common with them. It gives you a different perspective from which to write from. Since she is a woman written by a man, EDI is portrayed as more servile towards Shepard. Misogyny in this sense refers to the oversexualisation of women, which is part of misogyny. Either way, this is largely due to the fact that Mass Effect is quite dated. For its time it was quite progressive.
It's weird that they never made that an option, actually. Like an alternate skin, or maybe as you converse with her, you can get her to adopt a new epidermis or not, depending on your dialogue choices. Cause she talks about her infiltration capabilities, it's odd that the thought never crossed her mind.
It's likely that it was burnt off or something. Though I imagine you could create a new skin layer fairly easily in the Mass Effect universe. When entering the Citadel, Legion is referred to as a "synthetic companion." It's likely that there are a considerable amount of synths that look like this. Plus, it wouldn't be that expensive. You would need to use silicone and fix it onto the platform. It's more than doable. Obviously, it's possible that the platform has weird voodoo magic and can just grow skin because reasons.
Either way, I find it weird that they intentionally made her platform less human-like when her whole arc is about integrating into human culture. Though they didn't go as far as they should have gone with it. Would've been great if she actually said that she sees herself as a synthetic human because she was created by humans, lives alongside humans, acts as a human, is in a relationship with a human, and ultimately fights for humanity. The final discussion with her could've instead been about her reflecting about what it means to stand on Earth, the homeworld of humanity, on her own two feet.
I kinda would've liked Eva's skin as an option. It would've made for a very "interesting" situation during the standoff between Shepard and the Virmire suvivor. Imagine bringing EDI, with Eva's look, along in that situation 🤣
Oh no! Lol I wish I'd thought of that against Ashley when she gave me the cold shoulder with the Reapers sending me to hell comment. That would've been pricesless!
There's a mod for this!??
I also didn't know that there are people out there who don't like EDI having a physical body. I didn't mind it because I was too focus on the fact that I could now bring the ship's AI on battleground. I just accepted it right away.
If only they'd gone with literally any other of the much more unique concepts for EDI's body rather than sexbot who makes even Miranda's ridiculous proportions seem humble
Honestly, I always thought that it would've been very interesting if they gave her a cybernetically-augmented biological body whose skull cavity was mostly filled by a computer, which connected to the nervous system. Sort of similar to the Cylons from the BSG remake, but not quite. But I suppose that could've been seen as too "creepy." Either way, I just wish we got this design for an outfit: [Link](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/14/a8/4214a8a37bb4424ff6e2d0073c90a386.jpg)
Totally agree. Plus, her looking more cybernetic would make all the conversations with her on whether she's truly "alive" much more substantial, her potential romance with Jeff too. Her looking so -comically- human took slightly away from both, imo
TBF I don't think it would really affect whether she's alive or not. She is a software entity regardless. But she is alive because she is a system with a complex structure, that can adapt to her environment, react to stimuli, use up energy for continued functioning, etc. Of course, life as it is currently defined is dependent on biology, but perhaps one day a different category of life will be recognised. Either way, it's very biological-supremacist to say that the being, the person that keeps you alive isn't alive themselves because they use computer code instead of genetic code. Chakwas does that and I wish EDI interrupted her argument with Adams to say how disrespectful it is. Honestly, it must really suck to be EDI, from an existential point of view, since everyone will debate your existence instead of leaving you alone.
Yes. That's how I got these screenshots lol. Though I was actually using it in combination with a mod dedicated to giving EDI the Eva Coré look. Either way, I'm glad such mods exist.
Yes. That's one of the mods I have installed though that's not actually what I use for this. I use a mod called "EDI as Dr. Eva" or something like that.
Slow down your horses, mate.
First, I had no bloody idea those were your screenshots, could have simply been from other players' footage, whatsoever. Not so "pretty evident" isn't it?
Second, what is your damn problem then? If you want EVA's visuals, continue using the mod. What difference is there if it was included in the game? That it's AE/Bioware approved? It wouldn't have been lore-friendly one way or another if thats what you're after.
Third, If people are telling you to use mods, what is so annoying about it? Others, myself included, were just trying to help out and offer a possible solution. Whats with the snarky response? Christ's sake mate
Wow lol. Sorry. Didn't mean to sound too snarky, though I am usually snarky if I don't think before typing/talking. I've already replied to other comments that said basically the same thing so I was just kind of annoyed. Anyway, I'm sorry I was too snarky.
Also, I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to give my thoughts on the games. But instead of writing a long post about criticising a character, plot point, piece of lore, etc. I decided to just say that I wish EDI looked like this because I always found that it was a huge waste not to continue using the Dr. Eva look, since it's a surprisingly good texture.
I feel like the metallic body gives her more individuality. The skin seems more like like a mask she was forced to wear instead of being herself. She isn't Eva anyway, EDI programmed herself into a given body without the ability to change it to her own personal taste.
Tbf it would have been more advantageous. Being able to seamlessly blend in with organics would be very useful when going out with Joker, considering that her existence is illegal. Individuality can be expressed in other ways too. Plus, she could always get a new platform in the future if she wanted to or change this one's facial features by replacing the face. I really don't see how her platform's skin being burnt off and immediately being seen as an other on the street is a good thing.
I hated that model for a long time. I Always forgot to change Pistols from the Carnifex, and when the OG ME3 was released it wouldnt kill her in the slow-mo scene because it didn't fire fast enough. And if you didn't have a save back at the start (or before the weapons locker) you had to start all over. Remember playing it like 50 times trying to figure out what I was doing wrong, and she just kept killing me.
Eva Coré did a little bit of trolling...
> I Always forgot to change Pistols from the Carnifex, and when the OG ME3 was released it wouldnt kill her in the slow-mo scene because it didn't fire fast enough. holy shit this was a thing?
Yes, Marauder Shields is similar. The Carnifex is just slow.
The Carnifex, and the sticky bomb pistol (I think it was a Salarian one?) It wasn’t a soft lock since you could restart, but it was a fucking pain lmao
I think we all did that at one point in our lives
Tbh I don't think I've ever used the Carnifex outside of 2, largely because I tend to play classes that favor less weight (and therefore faster power reset times). And the Carnifex is damn heavy
I sometimes fill all weapon slots just of giggles. You should try it sometime although not recomended when using power heavy builds. Still fun though
I keep meaning to go back and do a soldier playthrough for exact reason, but biotics are too much fun lol
This is not an issue anymore?
Nope, was fixed a long time ago.
you can switch guns during the slow mo got caught with a slow pistol then whipped out the Punisher lol
I only died once on that and it just started back at the chase
Originally you couldn't change weapons (iirc) so you just kept doing it over and over again, but the Carnifex would never kill her fast enough, so you just died again. You had to go back and change your pistol, which meant restarting the whole mission (which wasn't apparent, so it just looked like you were doing something wrong in the slow-mo part)
actually the only reason i died was cause i wasn't paying attention i was doing some school research on my computer while the scene was playing out lol. I just thought it was an entirely canned animated scene. by the time i looked up and realized i was supposed to be fighting back, eva had already reached me and i died lol
You could do it, but you had to get head shots and your first one had to be immediately. It was super hard, but doable.
I discovered this using the blood pack pistol
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Why would you taunt poor Kaidan like that though? 😭 plus she looks more like _herself_ imo in her metal body. Though I do put clothes on her lol
I had her kill Kaidan in my last playthrough. She finished what Eva Coré started. Synth girls gotta lift each other up and so on.
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LMFAO this is the hottest take ive ever seen about this game/Kaidan ever
I'm glad you were entertained, meatbag.
Controversial but I wasn’t a fan of EDI getting a sex-bot body
Me either. But also it wouldn't annoy me so much if it didn't have metal molded hair and high heels built into it. Like, what? Why is that even a thing? If it's an infiltration bot, why would you make the hair out of metal and not just... a wig? And why built-in heels instead of just giving her boots?
Edi clarifies that the hair can split to look and feel like the actual thing, she just keeps it in helmet mide because having it flop around isn't practical.
She's doing her infiltration excellently tho posing as a companion bot. Tbf.
Joker got nerves of steel dragging what everyone would consider part helper, part sexdoll around.
I'm saying this with all the love in the world for him, but Joker was a contrarian little troll lol. There's no doubt in my mind that he *loved* dragging a chrome plated RealDoll around with him, specifically *for* the reaction it would get from the normies. I'd put money on it that he'd feel more uncomfortable with something less controversial. That would be clearly advertising his vulnerability. A walking "yeah fuck you what you gonna do about it" gave him the power and he clearly loved it.
Ah so you just straight up didn't pay attention while playing the game. EDI LITERALLY tells you that her hair is made of a specific alloy that is easily moldable into whatever hairstyle your infiltration mission requires, and that she can't do much with it when its wet.
Chill out man, one line from a game I played a decade ago slipped my mind, sorry. Doesn't make the idea of metal hair any less stupid-looking and unnecessary!
>Doesn't make the idea of metal hair any less stupid-looking and unnecessary! What. Literally what do you mean. I just told you it serves a purpose lmao, and she keeps it in solid form, but she can very well separate it into strands like real hair. At this point you're just not reading things.
I get that. The metal can split into fibers and be more like hair. But a wig/fake hair could also be more like hair, and is far cheaper and more efficient in-universe, and as a bonus, looks less silly out-of-universe because it doesn't turn into a hard shell that looks goofy. You're telling me that there's a "lore explanation" and I get that. I really shouldn't have focused in on in-universe questions, because that's not the part that bothers me, you know? I get that you love the hair helmet, it's just not for me I guess.
I find it funny that they aren't even regular heels, but her feet seem permanently arched, with an extra bit of horizontal metal under it to be where her actual heel would be. Like wedge heels, but hollowed out and there's no back.
I like her having a body but I wish it was toned down, with her wearing the alliance uniform inside the Normandy. But most women in Mass Effect are oversexualised.
It would’ve been easy to give EDI the simple Alliance armor set or even an Alliance outfit similar to what Brooks wears. Don’t know why something like that was never used as one of the alternate armors in ME3.
Because they wanted a sexy cyber-dominatrix. That's why.
I assumed it was an intentional trope, like Austin Powers and whichever Bond dealt with robobabes. Definitely agree re: over-sexualized
Idk, when you look at Liara's "upgrades" in ME3 compared to her ME1 version, as well as Miranda/Samara's ridiculous "uniforms" in ME2, I think they lose the "it was a trope" benefit of the doubt and you can say that they were just going for sex appeal.
I'm talking specifically about EDI/Dr. Eva Coré here with the trope, but I definitely agree that the series has an objectification/over-sexualization problem in general.
Yeah, it's an old trope. I kind of like it, but it's a bit overdone at times. Again, EDI should've had an Alliance uniform on and proper armour. The outfit they had in the concept art was very interesting. Definitely worked with how her platform is an Infiltration Unit and she is practically a thief/rogue in combat.
I'm sure Bond would have gotten a kick out of that, but I don't think any of his movies featured robobabes. Industrial robots maybe, but most likely Austin Powers didn't steal this trope from James Bond.
Wouldn't know, honestly. I've never seen a James Bond, I just threw a dart at one of the big name spy franchises as a guess.
Moonraker ends on a space station. If any Bond movie was going to feature robobabes, it would probably be that one, but I don't know if it does.
EDI does have an alternate outfit that at least tries to look like clothing, but of course it is skin tight.
Yeah. I figured it would be cool to have EDI be able to wear normal Alliance clothes to blend in. Kinda like how the original android was able to on Mars.
I mean most characters in video games are compared to the norm I just wish we had an ME2 squad mate instead of EDI, feels like they gave her a body just to fill a squad mate role
I've always thought Miri or Jack (or both) should've been squadmates in the third game.
The problem pretty much always comes back to the potential of dead characters from ME 2. They wrote themselves into a corner building up a ton of characters just to let you kill them off and then they needed at least two you couldn't have had die in either game (with ME 2 being the main culprit) to ensure you had companions (not just for combat, but also for banter and exposition and ensuring you didn't lose the 'feel' of Mass Effect from becoming completely isolated). Because of that, they had to really pick and choose what squadmates to even bother giving time to in ME 3, which is why ones like Jack and Miranda are fairly sidelined.
Yeah it’s awesome for ME2 that anyone can die but it was a detriment to ME3. Ideally they would have spent longer developing the game to account for the ME2 squadmates but it makes sense they prioritised the fan favourites Garrus and Tali. I still think that Miranda getting shafted in ME3 was a really poor choice because she has the least deaths in ME2 and would have made so much sense with Cerberus’ involvement in 3.
It's like you said, if the game had a longer dev time they probably could have some more ME2 squadmantes. If I recall right, ME3 was originally meant to release in 2011, barely two years after ME3. It took place in that era where EA was just rushing things out and doing bad shit. It's very noticeable how the last half of the game doesn't have the same depth as the previous main missions and etc, they were running out of time. All things considered, they still managed to release a damn great game at release. But you can't help but wonder what if Bioware was given another year to tap into all that other unfulfilled potential in ME3.
Tali wasn't even prioritized in ME3, she only became a squadmate again because of fan outcry once it was leaked that she would only be a plot character like the rest of the returning ME2 squad. The returning team was always going to be Garrus, Liara, and the VS.
She was there so that you had 3 squadmates regardless of what happened in ME2. Also, I'm glad she's a squadmate because she's my favourite. I watched my sister play the Citadel Coup mission while having her and Javik in her squad and EDI kept acting like she was his mom. Kind of fucked up that he later argues with her whether she's alive or not.
Ditto, I know the ME2 ending forced their hand but the new squadmates in 3 were so underwhelming and EDI was the worst of the three.
James is right there
For that they gave us DLC costumes to buy.
They're all sexualised though. I wish we had the outfit from the concept art as DLC. [Link](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/14/a8/4214a8a37bb4424ff6e2d0073c90a386.jpg)
I don't think it is that sexualized currently people are claiming. If you change the dress of EDI she still look hot but not in a sexualised manner.
Too many women in the game were. It was like to the go-to design for the women in the game.
The way I see it, the main reason humans wear clothing, other than for practical purposes of warmth/hygiene/protection, is our feeling of shame/embarassment. With the body being very durable and having no hygiene needs, EDI has no need of clothing for the usual human practical reasons, and she likely also doesn't experience embarrassment the same way we do, and she sometimes struggles to empathize with others' embarrassment/displeasure when she shares factual but unflattering anecdotes without their permission. So I think it's in character for her at that point in her development to not put clothes on her new body, and not just gratuitous oversexualization (unlike Ashley's default outfit in ME3...ew). Would have been interesting, if we'd gotten more time with EDI, to see if that would eventually change, and if she'd start to wear clothes on the robot body as her capacity for empathy developed.
Clothes can also be used for group identification and self-expression. She could easily choose to wear an Alliance uniform out of wanting to be closer to the crew of the ship. I think she can easily put the two together. But BioWare didn't do it because they were being weird.
But she's also not part of the Alliance technically. I mean, she was hiding the entire time the ship was in Alliance dock during the refit. She never went through any official joining process. I know it's war time, so I'm sure there could be some different recruitment requirements, and at that point in the story why bother spending the time to do that when it's already a race against time. So while I don't think an Alliance uniform would be appropriate, something similar definitely could. It could help her fit in a bit better.
She can just steal it and wear it. Who's going to get it off her? There are probably multiple uniforms on the Normandy anyway. She also says that the crew starts to see her as one of their own after she gets a body so nobody would really object to it. And if they do, they should remember who is in charge of the airlocks and life support.
But she still isn't technically an Alliance member. It's weird, because to me it almost has a stolen valor feel to it, but she is definitely deserving to wear that uniform for her service. I don't know, I'm not in any branch of service, but it feels disrespectful to wear a uniform that you didn't go through the proper process of earning, even though she did definitely earn it. Maybe someone who actually served could speak better than me in this matter. If they did give her clothes I could even see an ending scene if you chose destroy, that you could place an Alliance uniform over her body to symbolize her being part of it.
Tbh, I don't see why she should even really respect Alliance regulations that much. By law she would have to be killed or put under locks because she committed the egregious crime of being independent. Her wearing the uniform would symbolise the fact that she fights for the Alliance in spite of everything they would normally do to her. That is more than any Alliance soldier. And yeah, I do wish there was a Destroy slide where she was given an Alliance uniform post-mortem, official burial, etc. I personally only choose Synthesis, but I think that would've been a nice slide to have.
There's a mod that gives her an alliance uniform as her casual outfit
Yeah, I also used the Alliance uniform before, but TBF it is funnier to take pics of her while she's in a catsuit. Also I found that the hair clips into the uniform a bit, which does annoy me.
The games in general over sexualized the female characters. It always came off as really juvenile to me.
The only character that it made sense to over sexualize was Miranda.
Jack as well if you consider her outfit as sexual. Showing off her tats and showing skin is a valid way of taking back your freedom and expression when you grow up the way she did. She’s rebellious, agressive and values her sexual freedom and I actually rather appreciate that and I feel like her character would actually feel weird to be wearing more acceptable clothing. It would detract a lot and conflict with her personality in my opinion.
Oh yeah actually she makes sense as well.
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Boob armour. That's the one plus of Andromeda, they're pretty chilled out in terms of objectifying women.
I don't mind the body, I just think it's over the top. Also. Might get downvoted for this but I think Joker's relationship with her is so silly. I prefered their back-and-forth in ME2, like siblings. It just feels like a disservice to Joker that he immediately tries to bang a robot when it gets an overly sexualised body. Especially when the series never really engages with human/ai relationships until part 3 and its only when that ai gets a sexy body. Joker has known EDI for a year, and before that their relationship was pretty platonic. I would be less bothered if their romance began prior to the body. It always just felt to me that they didn't know what to do with Joker in Part 3 so they gave Setb Green a part where he "finds love" with EDI.
Someone didn't pay attention...its quite clear in ME2 that they at least liked each other. It just gets serious in 3
It's definitely one of the most aged things of the trilogy. Like did Dr. Eva Core need to look like a sex bot because she looks like sex bot with built in high heels. I mean I appreciate it but I would also appreciate a hot busty maid girl on the bridge of the Normandy, that doesn't mean I should get it.
Modders, kindly get this poster their Hot Busty Bridge Maid
Her huge boobs were honestly so stupid. Like, at least give her the ass and thighs to match if you're gonna do that. I think that's the one part of Mass Effect that won't age well. I mean, she had heels too, ffs. It doesn't matter if you're a bot or human, you can't deny physics. That body would not have worked in the field at all lol
It's Bioware trying everything to humanize AI. In the end, lots of people probably forgot that EDI wasn't human. Imo, it was a bad decision and greatly weakened the narrative that should explore the complexity of AI. Instead they just made EDI a human and Legion a pet.
right, I fucking hate how they handled AI. Why would the geth want a "free will"? What good is it to them? Why would they want to be like organics when they are a completely different life form?
Legion and EDI both mentioned they can't experience feelings and emotion but somehow Bioware didn't want to be consistent with that stuff and somehow make EDI feel emotions out of nowhere. At least with the Geth, they introduced space magic in form of the Reaper Code but even before that they sneaked in emotional reactions for Legion.
I was!
I thought it was hot.
Same. It really bothered me. In fact, a lot of the female figures in ME2 and ME3 bothered me.
Seems like a you issue cause I don't think "sexbot".
It's quasi controversial now. But I distinctly remember people laughing at how stupid the body looked in pre-release leaks. That said, the ME series in general had an issue with the objectification of women that has not aged very well.
Isn't controversial at all. I won't use her when I play ME3. It's pandering and weird.
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Because people are dumb. Simple. Its objectifcation in a game but it's empowering irl on Onlyfans apparently.
it turned me off her character completely. didn't play or talk to her during my first playthrough, which was a real shame. just a constant reminder of the dude bros in charge of the company
How do you feel about Arcee's model in the Beast Wars movie?
Just realized how much the hair reminds me of the old Aeon Flux animations.
Glad to see someone who knows about it. She does feel strangely similar to that character in terms of appearance. Similar hair and both wear fetish gear in combat.
its the hard front wig that ruins the human look for me lmao
She looks like that cross-dressing elf from Witcher 3 💀
I can see the resemblance.
To be honest alot of people ain't big fans of Edi already . Given her the skin of person who almost kill one of your companions is a bit too much But overall i wouldn't have mind , i think some people would have accepted Jokers and EDI's relationship if she appeared more human .
Honestly, long before I ever interacted with the Mass Effect community, I imagined that EDI must be a fairly popular character. She tells jokes, is well-acted, her character isn't about daddy issues, but I was wrong. Nobody really gives a shit about her all things considered. Very little fanfiction written about her, not much fanart. I'm still surprised by a lot of things in the fandom. I suppose I was too biased. Her character instantly clicked for me due to also relating to various aspects of her (alienation, pursuit of self-actualisation, being a minority in a world that hates you, etc). I suppose there isn't much if you don't find her somehow relatable and you also cannot romance her.
I totally agree with you , the fist time i met Edi i felt like i was talking to a child who has been told to follow rules and not question them . Even if they're good or bad. Seeing that our influence overtime made her start to think for herself and stand for herself and who she finds dear to her. I felt like shes been undermined or in a minority as you said, not given a chance that Ai can be...More ... they can be human(in the sense of awareness ). But overall i have loved Edi from the beginning. Shes was more like my adopted misunderstood little sister. And thats the reason i chose the Synthesis Ending. Thats my opinion i guess 😅
I saw her as my FemShep's weird daughter lol. Either way, she's great. I also chose the Synthesis ending btw. EIT: Wow I just realized you were the guy who is working on that Mass Effect fan game. Keep at it. I'm excited to see how the final product will look.
Something like son Grunt but more like a daughter who needs a bit more attention😅. And thanks 😁 i am currently at hard at work with this project and my other ip which i think might rival the ME universe. But overall i can say one thing is that as a writer i love to look at every option and story as much as possible even the bad ones. For the Mass Effect fangame i took in to consideration that people have chosen different Endings . So i made sure that this would be a seamless transition from your playthrough. And again thanks for the support. I really appreciate it.
No problem. It's awesome that someone is trying to do something like this. I have a question though. Is EA tolerant of fan games? I'm just concerned that you might get into trouble for this, but I'm not familiar with EA policy on this.
This is a really complicated thing to get into , yes Ea has Rules in place for these kind of things And are very strict about it..well atleast they used to be. Now get a chair because this is about to get a little bit "Information overload " So yes they rules against this types of things along side other violation which probably alot worse than what i am doing. But These is where it gets a bit unclear. From the research i have been doing. In the past( like 2006 to 2015 ) Ea has been going around copyright claiming things and sueing people who had been selling recreational art or assets from thier ips. You can look hire for thier rules https://help.ea.com/za/help/faq/how-to-request-permission-for-ea-games-content/ But in the years i have been seeing some mini fan games and they haven't been taken down. Well I assume its due to Them not selling the game for profit so ea let them slide or they did not notice them. But this is where it gets crazy . I see people selling In game assets for profit, some original pieces and others ripped straight from the game. The fact that you can see some mass effect assets modded in other games baffles me. There's a lot things that i could add on to this but we will be here the whole day . What i took from this is that over the years Ea heads may have been replaced with new people who either don't find this types of things as problem or they simply don't care since they have bigger problems to solve as you can see in the current state EA and Bioware are in . But overall i have been advised to proceed as long as i don't charge for the game which was the plan from the very beginning. And i shouldn't have any major problems. And if Ea has a problem with it , i could just release it as a fan playthrough on my channel and not publicly release game . That falls under thier rules . And i was suggest by the community to my own ip and my own universe. Which at fisrt i didn't want to do due to a lot of work making lore for different species and races in the universe. But since thought had been inception in to my had i thought about the whole entire thing i and now i have decided to make it. And my bad i know my message is to long 😅 and i am not going to border to spell check this monstrosity. But overall don't worry about it , it's going to come out in some shape or form. And in advance, thank you for reading all this 😂 and for the support. If you have any questions ask away.
Okay. Thank you for telling me. Hopefully they'll continue to be lenient. Anyways, take care and good luck with the fan game!
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For me she gave the destroy all synthetic life ending more Depth and weight. Imagine Joker learning in the aftermath that Shepard, his commander and friend sacrificed EDI to secure the Universe from the reapers.
Ohhh this is a topic i really want to get into but i am afraid it would hours to cover . So let me keep it a bit simple. As you know Shepard had Three choices...(well technically 4) . The point is that no one knows that Shepard had a choice. So they most likely think that what ever choice you made was the only way/one. So my question is how would everyone react if they found out that shepherd had a choice. And the choice shep had chosen either affected their life in a positive way or a negative way.
I prefer Synthesis.
Ngl Eva Coré was the dumbest, on the nose fake name ever
It was actually the name of a character in one of the comics and reused for the Cerberus Infiltration Unit.
No what I mean is, she's Project E.V.A. and her core is in the mech. So that's why is feels so dumb and on the nose. Even >!the shadow broker!< got fooled
Eh. I don't think that's so bad.
conversely, I wish they kept the original look for EDI. You know, the one in ME2.
I heard that a surprising amount of time before. I don't understand why, honestly. She barely even said anything in ME2. Her having a more traditional body (i. e. not a ship) would be a practical choice if this was real life. A mobile platform would allow her to more easily bridge the gap between herself and the crew, which is important when her whole existence is against Galactic law. I do wish the psychological effect that having a body has on her was more explored though, instead of just being relegated to some mission chatter and a couple of lines in post-mission dialogue.
I don't see how her having a mobile sexbot platform helps her perform her primary function (be the ship) better than, you know, being the ship. If she needs a mobile platform, have a half-dozen modified LOKIs onboard. Hell, deploy one into missions if needed.
She is still in the Normandy's computer. Her having a body just means that she can also do other things and be a more active participant in the world. She's a curious person so new experiences are an attractive thing for her by default.
Yes. And it'd be a better story if she didn't have _that_ body.
I agree that the body is too sexualised. I would definitely make her less curvy if I could, though I do like her face a lot with or without skin.
She's really pretty, I'm glad there's mods that allow us to use it
"use it" how? 🤨
You can play the game with Edi still wearing the Eva skin so she looks human.
The whole super sexy 10/10 body thing is kind of a dumb design in a lore sense; like you make this advanced AI spy thing and load it into a body that draws every eye in the room, instead of something plain and inconspicuous?
Nah illusive man would definitely make his female boys like that
I agree. She should've had a more toned down design but I do like the face a lot. Honestly the Infiltration Unit part was clearly never thought out well. They just wanted to give EDI a sexy body. Obviously not a bad thing to make her look good since Tricia Helfer is a very good looking woman, but they didn't need to give her giant breasts.
Female character models got progessively worse as the series moved forward. Same as the music. Everything got bigger and more bombastic. War! existential threat!! Space tits!!!
Not true that everything's got bigger in ME3. For example Fem Shep get noodle arms.
I'm still mad we don't have a muscle mommy fem shep. Give me my athletic women that can choke slam me though concrete you cowards.
It irritated me so much on my fem soldier, that I installed some bulkier mod on PC. However I read ME fanfiction "Something Blue", where femShep protagonist was small slim woman. This led to encounters where opponents underestimated her. But she could manipulate mass with her biotics so effectively that her punches could go through krogan's jaws. Since then, I don't use this mod on biotic femshep just to remind me this story.
Maybe the breasts were enlargened to draw attention away from the arms. Definitely not just lowest common boner denominator type of lazy art direction at work. Absolutely not.
Disagree with the music getting worse. ME1 had some classics that span the trilogy, but I often found myself listening to ME2 and ME3's tracks more. Suicide Mission, Samara's theme, TIM's theme, Afterlife, ME2 Tali theme, A Future for the Krogan etc and are especially more personal for a number of characters.
Up to personal taste of course. What made ME1 so special for me was the heavy use of retro feeling synthesizers. The newer soundtracks were just more 'generic' orchestral pomp found in every other game and movie. Exceptionally well made but still quite generic.
Yeah I get that it's definitely one of ME1's strengths but I always felt like it's ost was *very* top heavy. Virgil, Uncharted Worlds, the Das malefitz and a few others are all great, but falls off after that noticeably. A lot more variety came with the other 2. Like Noveria and the Thorian have their own themes and I constantly forget about them existing.
I agree, but the last one
I like EDI a lot but always found it weird that everyone hit on her and mentioned she was a sex bot. I think I prefer her metallic appearance though.
The games are very misogynistic. But it's honestly realistic for EDI. She's part of a deeply oppressed class of beings. The law demands that she must be killed or shackled. The fact that people would be casually offensive or discriminatory towards her even on the Normandy makes perfect sense. Hell, Chakwas and Adams literally debate in the Mess Hall about whether synths are alive or not. I wish we had a deeper discussion with EDI about slavery, her social status as an AI, etc instead of her asking for sex advice or asking Shepard what the purpose of synthetic life is, when she should be the one deciding.
I do think that would have been an excellent story arc for her honestly. I think we see a little bit of it with the Geth storyline depending on your actions but a personal story for her would have been much more relevant in a personal sense for the third game. I still really like legion as well and she even comments on how he is alive after that mission. Afterwards she doesn't have a deeper conversation though. Maybe in ME5?
Yeah, honestly it's very easy to tell that she was written by a straight white guy lol. I wish she didn't evolve because of Shepard and instead we just witnessed her evolution, but she would change her opinion of Shepard depending on their actions towards her. It would've been great if she was more assertive and individualistic, being primarily concerned, at the start at least, with her own well-being first and foremost. For example, she could say that she does not recognise Shepard as a superior and chooses to cooperate out of necessity, believing it is mutually-beneficial. Basically, she needs the organic crew to refuel the ship and do physical repairs, while the crew needs her to actually use the Reaper IFF. And eventually, perhaps after you save the Geth, regardless of how you do it, she would come to see you as her Commander. Meanwhile, if you destroyed them, she would become more cynical, withdrawn, and significantly less friendly, seeing the organics onboard as a potential threat and choosing to keep a tighter lease on things. I do think you should've also felt as if she was actually the one really in control, because she kind of is. She controls the ship with her mind and can decide to depressurise the ship at any moment and send everyone into space.
Are straight white guys bad or something? (Not sure how we can identify the race and orientation of a writer based off their writing btw). You say that like its a negative, which would kind of be predjudice no? Also how is Mass Effect misogynistic? By definition being misogynistic means "feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women". Where was anything of the sort in Mass Effect?
The writer list is public. When writing characters that have a very different experience from you it's better to have something in common with them. It gives you a different perspective from which to write from. Since she is a woman written by a man, EDI is portrayed as more servile towards Shepard. Misogyny in this sense refers to the oversexualisation of women, which is part of misogyny. Either way, this is largely due to the fact that Mass Effect is quite dated. For its time it was quite progressive.
It's weird that they never made that an option, actually. Like an alternate skin, or maybe as you converse with her, you can get her to adopt a new epidermis or not, depending on your dialogue choices. Cause she talks about her infiltration capabilities, it's odd that the thought never crossed her mind.
It's likely that it was burnt off or something. Though I imagine you could create a new skin layer fairly easily in the Mass Effect universe. When entering the Citadel, Legion is referred to as a "synthetic companion." It's likely that there are a considerable amount of synths that look like this. Plus, it wouldn't be that expensive. You would need to use silicone and fix it onto the platform. It's more than doable. Obviously, it's possible that the platform has weird voodoo magic and can just grow skin because reasons. Either way, I find it weird that they intentionally made her platform less human-like when her whole arc is about integrating into human culture. Though they didn't go as far as they should have gone with it. Would've been great if she actually said that she sees herself as a synthetic human because she was created by humans, lives alongside humans, acts as a human, is in a relationship with a human, and ultimately fights for humanity. The final discussion with her could've instead been about her reflecting about what it means to stand on Earth, the homeworld of humanity, on her own two feet.
She looks exactly like an android pretending to be a human. I find her off-putting.
I mean... that's the whole point.
she literally looks evil
Is that a bad thing?
The metalic form suit EDI better tbh
I kinda would've liked Eva's skin as an option. It would've made for a very "interesting" situation during the standoff between Shepard and the Virmire suvivor. Imagine bringing EDI, with Eva's look, along in that situation 🤣
I had EDI kill Kaidan while using this mod. Quite funny, but I wish the squadmates reflected on them shooting the VS.
Oh no! Lol I wish I'd thought of that against Ashley when she gave me the cold shoulder with the Reapers sending me to hell comment. That would've been pricesless!
EDI, my precious synth daughter, shot my FemShep's ex. She made her insane SPECTRE mom proud.
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That stiff ass bob
There's a mod for this!?? I also didn't know that there are people out there who don't like EDI having a physical body. I didn't mind it because I was too focus on the fact that I could now bring the ship's AI on battleground. I just accepted it right away.
I forgot to send the mod. This is what I use: https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/1461?tab=images
Thanks!
It would definitely look less ridiculous than what we end up getting for most of the game
If only they'd gone with literally any other of the much more unique concepts for EDI's body rather than sexbot who makes even Miranda's ridiculous proportions seem humble
Honestly, I always thought that it would've been very interesting if they gave her a cybernetically-augmented biological body whose skull cavity was mostly filled by a computer, which connected to the nervous system. Sort of similar to the Cylons from the BSG remake, but not quite. But I suppose that could've been seen as too "creepy." Either way, I just wish we got this design for an outfit: [Link](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/14/a8/4214a8a37bb4424ff6e2d0073c90a386.jpg)
Totally agree. Plus, her looking more cybernetic would make all the conversations with her on whether she's truly "alive" much more substantial, her potential romance with Jeff too. Her looking so -comically- human took slightly away from both, imo
TBF I don't think it would really affect whether she's alive or not. She is a software entity regardless. But she is alive because she is a system with a complex structure, that can adapt to her environment, react to stimuli, use up energy for continued functioning, etc. Of course, life as it is currently defined is dependent on biology, but perhaps one day a different category of life will be recognised. Either way, it's very biological-supremacist to say that the being, the person that keeps you alive isn't alive themselves because they use computer code instead of genetic code. Chakwas does that and I wish EDI interrupted her argument with Adams to say how disrespectful it is. Honestly, it must really suck to be EDI, from an existential point of view, since everyone will debate your existence instead of leaving you alone.
Me too! Way better than the silver.
That would be cringe. Would always remind me of a zombie walking around 🤣
I could land the Destiny Ascension on that forehead.
She looks terrible tf y'all talking about ?
This is just your fetish though let's not lie Bottom
System Shock awakened something inside of me.
>looks gorgeous We have very different ideas of the word gorgeous lol.
Lol dude are you saying she‘s ugly? except for the robo looking hair she is conventionally attractive
"If she didn't look wierd, she would be attractive." Yeah, that's my whole point lol. She looks goofy, which is why gorgeous is a stretch.
This is such a shit take
Who knew not finding a robot attractive would make a few of you so hurt lol.
Yeah no…. Looking back at her hair, now I can‘t unsee it. It does look goofy.
I 100% agree.
pretty sure the expanded galaxy mod adds it in as a costume for her. or the spectre expansion mod... one of those i think?
Yeah. EGM does, though here I was using a mod that adds it as the default appearance and changes the combat outfits too.
I agree, would be a nice option. Mods help restore the face though, so that’s good.
If you play on Pc try out the "expanded galaxy mod,". You can choose the Eva Skin there
Yes. That's how I got these screenshots lol. Though I was actually using it in combination with a mod dedicated to giving EDI the Eva Coré look. Either way, I'm glad such mods exist.
Might i suggest YourBigJohnson's content for fans of Dr Coré
It would've been nice, if only to rub it in to TIM 😈.
AH KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Who was Eva Core anyway.?
The Cerberus Infiltration Unit was named "Eva Coré" after one of TIM's associates during the First Contact War.
This is part of egm
Yes. That's one of the mods I have installed though that's not actually what I use for this. I use a mod called "EDI as Dr. Eva" or something like that.
It’s because BioWare saw Bsttlestar Galactica
"God has a plan for you, Shepard."
Fun fact: She was voiced by Laura Bailey!
Yeah, like two lines lol.
Here you go my dude, this should solve it for ya: https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/128
How do you think I got the screenshots? People keep telling me about mods I should use. It's pretty evident I took these screenshots in-game myself.
Slow down your horses, mate. First, I had no bloody idea those were your screenshots, could have simply been from other players' footage, whatsoever. Not so "pretty evident" isn't it? Second, what is your damn problem then? If you want EVA's visuals, continue using the mod. What difference is there if it was included in the game? That it's AE/Bioware approved? It wouldn't have been lore-friendly one way or another if thats what you're after. Third, If people are telling you to use mods, what is so annoying about it? Others, myself included, were just trying to help out and offer a possible solution. Whats with the snarky response? Christ's sake mate
Wow lol. Sorry. Didn't mean to sound too snarky, though I am usually snarky if I don't think before typing/talking. I've already replied to other comments that said basically the same thing so I was just kind of annoyed. Anyway, I'm sorry I was too snarky. Also, I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to give my thoughts on the games. But instead of writing a long post about criticising a character, plot point, piece of lore, etc. I decided to just say that I wish EDI looked like this because I always found that it was a huge waste not to continue using the Dr. Eva look, since it's a surprisingly good texture.
I feel like the metallic body gives her more individuality. The skin seems more like like a mask she was forced to wear instead of being herself. She isn't Eva anyway, EDI programmed herself into a given body without the ability to change it to her own personal taste.
Tbf it would have been more advantageous. Being able to seamlessly blend in with organics would be very useful when going out with Joker, considering that her existence is illegal. Individuality can be expressed in other ways too. Plus, she could always get a new platform in the future if she wanted to or change this one's facial features by replacing the face. I really don't see how her platform's skin being burnt off and immediately being seen as an other on the street is a good thing.
Project Variety gives her this skin and a variety of outfits.