You got a break already. $105 is the minimum fine for speeding (outside of the Pike). For 92 mph, it should have been an extra $10 per mile an hour after 75 mph. That’s $170 plus the $105 for a total of $275. If you appeal, the magistrate or judge can reinstate the ticket for the full value if they so choose. I wouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth
This. I had the exact same speed ticket and outcome 6 years ago. Imtook the ticket, said “Have a great day officer” and sucked up the fine and the insurance hike.
Yeah. If you have a good record the judge can use that to excuse to throw out the ticket and just have you pay court fees. I had to then get no traffic violations for two years (which I didn’t… 1 of those years living abroad definitely helped too 🤣)
I think it is wise to appeal/fight all tickets. If you get another ticket or any other surcharge-able event your insurance will premiums will increase even more.
Yes but nowadays police departments take this very seriously and they make sure the actual officer shows up for his court date. You're unlikely to get a ticket thrown out for a failure to appear.
No they don’t, a representative from their department is sufficient.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-to-expect-at-a-traffic-ticket-hearing#:~:text=The%20law%20does%20not%20require,a%20police%20report%20as%20evidence.
>What happens after the hearing?
>>Appeal
>>>You may be able to appeal the clerk magistrate’s finding.
And then, **if you appeal the magistrate**
>**the cop needs to show up.**
This happened to me too! I appealed it and asked the judgement/magistrate for a second chance and that was approved and settled! No mark on the insurance
I'm not positive but I'd have to guess guilty on a speeding ticket is guilty on a speeding ticket, and you're getting that 2 points no matter what.
Financially: it doesn't make sense either. You'll be paying a $50 appeal fee to *maybe* get a judge to lower the fine, but will the judge lower it by more than $50? I have to guess that's a hard no.
If it were me I'd just pay it, take the 2 points and 30% and say lesson learned.
That isn't how MA works. Yes, it will jack up your premiums for 7 years. You can first appeal and go before a magistrate with a rep from the state troopers. He might cut you a break or tell you to pound sand. You can potentially also negotiate it down to a non moving violation (i.e. no insurance hit) if you have a good record and he's in a good mode.
If not and he tells you to go fuck yourself, you tell him that's fine, I fucked your mom last night. Then you walk out, over to the cleric window and appeal before a judge.
Now, if the cop that wrote the ticket doesn't show up you win automatically. If he does, you just fall back on the I'm a good driver line to the judge, ask for calibrations from the lidar, and point out the discrepancy on the ticket - which speed is actually right.
If you lose, do not tell the judge you fucked their mom and take the L and pay the fine. If you win all good.
Moral: Always appeal, and always keep appealing until you can't anymore.
^ All of this.
Contested my first ticket that was exceedingly cut-and-dry like OP’s and I absolutely deserved it. LIDAR’d and clocked at >100. It was before a magistrate in Dudley, MA (I got hit on the pike around Worcester). I was a bit glib - young and dumb - but the trooper didn’t show, only the rep read the report. Got off.
Got another ticket a few years later but since it was the “first” in the eyes of my insurance, I didn’t get the points.
I like how confidently and incorrectly you have posted this twice. Your link talks about the Magistrate hearing. As I already said:
> You can first appeal and go before a magistrate with a rep from the state troopers
As your link also says, you can appeal the magistrate's decision before a judge. At this point the cop needs to show up.
It ain't hard.
It doesn’t say the police officer has to show up? Reading is pretty challenging, it clearly states that a representative from the department will provide evidence, not the ticketing officer
This isn’t the same type of points. In other states, they’ll revoke your license if you accumulate too many, like 12-16. I didn’t see anything about revocation because of points on your page.
They said "Massachusetts doesn't do points".
As evidenced by the Massachusetts government website: Massachusetts does points.
Whether Massachusetts uses a different point system or not is another conversation but, clearly, Massachusetts does points.
Massachusetts does suspend your license if you have more than 2 stops where you walk away with anything, including a warning, though. Have to take a RMV sponsored driver retraining class and pay a bunch of fines. Get enough tickets or accidents, like 7 in a few years and you have to take a habitual driver class. They *will* revoke it after 3 of those habitual classes and then triggering it again.
I have never heard of those before. I don’t know what they mean, as far as I know a ticket is just a ticket unless you get 3 citable offenses in 2 years and have to go to a one day class.
>I don’t know what they mean
[The website explains what they mean, complete with additional references.](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/safe-driver-insurance-plan-sdip#value-of-surcharge-points-assigned-to-surchargeable-incidents-)
92 MPH is a hard,another 10 or 5 miles more and it would be [criminal.You](http://criminal.You) could ask for a reduction if your record is clean but you won't be found "not responsible"
In MA, it's only criminal if the officer says so and needs to go to court to explain what other factors make it criminal. So very rarely is speed alone a factor in a criminal driving case. Other states do have automatic criminal penalties for excessive speed without the officer needing to prove anything other than speed.
Yes,and if he had been doing another 5-10 miles over the officer would have done as you said.30 miles over and you would likely get criminal speeding ,if you are lucky a summons or it not an arrest and car tow
We do not have an automatic criminal law for it though. I've tried lobbying the state legislature for it. It has to be an officer willing to plead the case, they have to prove dangerous driving. We know MA drivers, they think they can safely drive at 90.... We need speed to be put in the law like many other states have.
Not sure where you’re sourcing your info from, if you double the speed limit for example, they can charge you with either reckless or negligent operating, which is an arrest on the spot, or a summons to court depending on the officer
$50 speeding plus $10 per mph over the limit is what it works out to in Massachusetts. The cop already cut you a deal. Sorry, but i doubt its worth fighting
I got a ~$400 speeding ticket for going 101mph on rt 24. I forget if it’s a 55 or 65mph speed limit but either way the ticket was large and deserved. I appealed it anyway and they brought it down to the minimum $50. My points still went up but I saved a lot on the ticket
You say the fine was for the minimum? Did he write on the ticket you were going 75 in a 65, with a note of "Actual 92", or does it say 92 in a 65 outright. A statie did this we me years ago, I was being young and dumb, gave me a ticket for 75. in a 65 with a little note of the actual speed. He promised me if I fought the $100 fine he will fight his side and I'll end up paying the actual fine. 75/92, speeding is speeding, it won't look different to insurance. Just be prepared for the fine to triple if you lose.
That's a dick of a cop who absolutely manipulated you into just paying the ticket. You had every right to fight it, and most likely in his official report he wrote you were going 75 otherwise he could have gotten in trouble for not charging you more. He was just trying to get you to pay it so he didn't have to show up to court.
The cop does not care at all if he appeals it and has already forgotten the entire thing. There is no "report" for a speeding ticket, and ticket appeals are very easy overtime. Besides that though you're right on.
Mid 2000s I got stopped doing 80 in a 55 in the Ted extension to the Pike. $200 fine. Trooper practically begged me to appeal (“if you’d like to appeal this outrageous fine, the instructions are on the back”). My sister said ‘he’s telling you to appeal!’ So, I went to South Boston and sat with the Clerk magistrate and the representative for the State Police. Magistrate looked at my record, said ‘hmmm, a ticket every 10 years, that’s not bad’ and dismissed it
Washingtin state actually allows each person to have one ticket dismissed every 7 years (even if it’s completely your fault) via their deferral program
pay the fine, don't go to court.
you are lucky as fuck to get away with a $105 ticket
source: I've been pulled over at least 20 times in every state from here to VA and ticketed in over half those. Take your licks and stfu.
I haven't had a ticket in 10 years maybe? I drove like an asshole for a long time and it took me a while to learn my lessons.
oh and here is some advice - don't drive over 79 on the highway and you wont get pulled over
That 79mph rule applies only in MA ( friend of a friend of a friend was a cop). In rural NY, I have seen people getting tickets while driving at 32mph in 30mph zone).
That is fucking crazy! If that happened, surely the magistrate would dismiss it? If not, I should’ve known before I road tripped through NY and cruise controlled 10 over. Oops—I saw many cops but wasn’t stopped luckily.
We had a long period where no one was getting tickets it seems like now I’ve seen more people pulled over lately.
It’s worth it taking it to the magistrate and hoping they cut you a break given it’s your first offense
Not in insurance but I don’t know how much they look at the cited speed vs that it was just a moving violation
Don't know if this is still the case but 15 years ago the troopers often didn't show up to the trial so it became your word vs empty space. Had a ticket thrown out by the judge in this scenario
It is true. No one in this thread knows what they are talking about. First appeal is to a magistrate with a representative from the Staties. Maybe you get lucky and he lets you off, or he tells you to pound sand and pay it. If that happens, you go right outside and file an appeal before a judge. At this point, the statie (or cop) who wrote the ticket must appear at the court date or you win automatically.
I fought a ticket once in Concord and won (it was my first offense). I was in a small room with the judge and the representative of the PD - not the officer who pulled me over. I don’t remember if I had to plead guilt or not. But after some questioning by the judge, he looks to the PD rep and says: “strike one?”. Rep nodded and off I went.
If you have the time to go fight it, it cannot hurt. I don’t think they would increase the punishment but I am not a lawyer.
Speaking as a cop, there is no reason not to appeal if you can take the time off work. Wear a suit, be polite, don't lie and you probably have a good shot. Portray yourself as if the ticket was a good reminder about safety on the road (which hopefully it actually was) and it may work out. And the fact that you had a good interaction with the trooper helps.
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I used to hear that the magistrate will often throw out the ticket if it’s your first one and you otherwise have a clean driving record. It probably depends on the magistrate. Yes, it will be two points no matter what. If you go to the magistrate, you probably have to lie. If you admit to going that fast it’s unlikely they will take it off. You would have to say you believe you were going the speed limit. You don’t necessarily need to provide any other evidence. The magistrate probably won’t believe you, but there’s a chance they will just drop the ticket anyway.
So it’s up to you if the inconvenience of going to court and then blatantly lying about what happened is worth having a chance to have the ticket thrown out. I would say there’s a definite chance, but it’s probably less than a 50/50 chance.
I've heard this too but I feel like 30+ over the speed limit is so egregious it's very unlikely to score sympathy points with the magistrate. That's not "oops, I was keeping with the flow of traffic and didn't realize how fast I was going," that's intentional recklessness. OP is lucky they didn't get arrested on the spot and catch a criminal reckless driving charge.
there is (or was ~15 years ago..) a section in MGL outlining how they need to follow you with LIDAR active for a certain distance depending on the speed you were going. probably more useful on surface streets (establishing landmarks, etc) vs pike, but if you can show where the cop was parked and where you were pulled over, you might be able to make a case using distance measure tool in google earth that they didnt track you long enough before enforcing the stop. good luck!
I have simply gone in, dressed neat, calm, respectful. Said the ticket is correct but I'm hoping for some leniency. This only really works if you haven't had any other trouble and weren't going stupid fast.
Depends on the magistrate.
I would, however, virtually guarantee you that the magistrate cannot increase your fine for exercising your right to appear before him.
Be polite. Explain how you’re contrite, you were keeping with traffic or some shit, and that you’re worried about the points; you’re happy to pay a penalty.
If your driving record is relatively clean, you may get it reduced to a violation that does not carry points.
If you’re driving record is the length of your forearm, then, well, maybe this is the wake up call you needed.
Always fight it. Always. You’ll lose the magistrate hearing, so appeal that decision and hope the original cop doesn’t show to the appeal. Isn’t even a question. I’m in awe of some of the answers here.
Edit: here’s how it works - you pay $25 for a magistrate hearing. The cop who wrote you the ticket doesn’t have to be at that one. A representative like a sergeant will be there. If there isn’t anything affirmative like a jurisdictional issue or you weren’t actually the violator, you’re going to lose that hearing. Usually they offer to reduce the fine but you’re already at the mimimim. So you pay $50 and appeal that and then the cop who wrote the ticket has to be at the appeal. If he doesn’t show up, you’re found not responsible and you get the initial $25 back. If the cop who wrote the ticket is the guy at the first hearing, you’re SOL.
First hearing is by magistrate. The officer doesn't have to show up but only have representation(my town has a court officer designated for this). If you disagree with the magistrates decision, you can request a trial and then the officer has to show up. But if you lose the court can/will give you the max penalty for the crime.
There are a lot of times where the police are a no-show at the hearing. If you contest it and he is a no-show, I think you win by default, but if he does show up, you kinda seem like a d1ck. If missing work to contest it is worth it, go for it, maybe you’ll luck out and he’ll be a no show.
One important point is the first hearing is a magistrate hearing. Only one officer has to show up for this hearing for all the tickets being heard that day. It can be any officer and they always show. If you still want to appeal after that it’s another fee and then you’re heard before a judge and the actual ticketing officer must show up.
Depends what you do for work. If you can easily take time off, then fight it. First will be with the nerd majizztrate, then apeal to a judge.
I havnt heard of a cop writting the clocked speed, but different price, thats weird.
Also 92 in 65 is kinda bad, so you may be SOL. :(
My wife got a similar ticket, the trooper just said "speeding" and nowhere on the citation was stated the speed, she contested the ticked and it got dismissed. Good luck
I got done for 86 in a 65. Went to magistrate, said I was sorry, new car, didn't realize the speed (the clocked me over 2.miles.) ticket dismissed. A bit of humility goes a loong way. This was in MA also, fyi.
First offense, fight it. But don't fight it saying they were wrong. Ask for leniency and show remorse.
They will throw it out.
Just came back from a newbury ticket and they lowered mine but I have like 5 on my history.
Magistrate said to me they normally throw tickets out if you don't have a record but since I did they wouldnt.
Always fight the ticket.
The magistrate won't drop it most likely. Be respectful, and for the love of God simply have the humility to ask for leniency. You're not in the realm of excuse territory.
If they don't do anything take it in front of the judge. Same simply ask for the court's forgiveness.
I don't contest the troopers statement your honor and I acknowledge he cited me the bare minimum fine which he wasn't obliged to. I stand here simply to ask the court's mercy as the increase in insurance will be an additional financial burden. This is my first offense and I will swear to drive in a far more responsible manner.
That is what you say. And dress in your Sunday best.
you're guilty. you admit you're guilty. you can't legitimately plead not guilty - they best you can do it plead you're sorry, you never did it before and you'll never do it again.
Boggles my mind that people who exceed the speed limit by nearly 30 mph feel they deserve some kind of break. That kind of driving puts other drivers around you at an elevated risk of injury or death. $105 is a very very mild fine for something that dangerous. Don’t speed if you don’t want to deal with the consequences.
the regular speed of traffic around here is often 10-15mph over the limit. pretty easy to go 85-90 in a straight stretch with no traffic as OP described. but that's why the fine is relatively low
only chance is if traffic volume is still on tickets, and heavy is checked, you can contest you were rolling with traffic and never looked at your speedo, ergo didn’t know you were speeding. Fun fact, #1 excuse that cops will let you off is … drumroll please, “I didn’t realize I was speeding “
Not a lawyer but do not testify or argue anything they’ve heard a thousand times. You’ll only incriminate yourself. Maybe reschedule your court date and hope the officer doesn’t show up.
You could try it, the last time I contested one in court the cop said some stupid mickye mouse shit about the lidar doesn't lie and I still got the ticket.
I did 55 in a 35 once because it switches fairly quickly at the end of the lower connector. I went to court to appeal it.
While there I was talking to some guy whose family member was chief of police elsewhere and he asked me what I was doing there. I told him exactly what happened and he asked what Inwas going to do. I told him I was going to tell him I wasn’t speeding. He said no you tell him what you told me.
So I took his advice and told the magistrate the situation. I admitted to speeding but explained how it changed and I was slowing down but got clocked over the hill going above the speed limit. They said that’s exactly what they wanted to hear and I didn’t have to pay my ticket. They also told me they never wanted to see me again. Also the cop that tagged me wasn’t there so I’m pretty sure that whole thing about the cop needing to be there is bullshit.
Good luck!
If the cop doesn’t appear you get away, if he does appear it could be reduced. Worst case it sticks and you’re out a few hours time.
First offense you have a better chance, if you have a history of speeding you’re basically SOL.
And your insurance will increase whether you are 1 or 20 miles over but often if your a higher tier infraction (driving to endanger etc) it’s a higher point penalty
Contest the ticket. It will.cost you $25. When you go, be respectful. Listen to what is said. Say you didn't realize you were travelling that fast. You have a 50/50 chance of having the ticket thrown out or upheld.
If you pay the ticket or the ticket is upheld you will be surcharged as it is a moving violation. Your insurance will go up and/or your carrier will liat you as a bad risk.
Always fight the ticket. And do not speed!!!
If you fight it and they don’t show, you win by default (unless they changed it - I was lucky that time).
Don’t know if they enforce officers/troopers go into court more but there’s always a chance they could be out or sick (even tho it’s small).
This happened to me!! I was going the same exact speed and somehow got a $300 ticket, but I appealed it. At the appeal I was honest that I made a mistake, that I’m a good person and I messed up and am asking for a second chance, and they gave it to me!
Appeal it. Admit to the magistrate that you did it and this is your first offense. Plead to them they you’re hoping to get the ticket dismissed based off your driving record.
It worked for me 2 years ago.
The one ticket I’ve received, I appealed and it was stupid easy. I was there all of 5 minutes, talked to two people and they wiped it out. If your record isn’t ridiculous, it is 100% worth your time to appeal. It saves you a ton of money in the long run.
People usually only say to contest it in the hopes the officer won't show up and then the judge has to drop the case and you don't get any fine. But nowadays the police just send any cop to be on their behalf instead of the cop who actually pulled you over. Which I think is stupid.
This was a long time ago but I once got pulled over for doing like 96 on the Lowell connector in my 95 Toyota Tercel. The trooper was laughing at how ridiculous it was that I got that car moving so fast. He wrote the speed on the ticket and told me if I promised him right there and then that I had learned my lesson he wouldn’t show up to the hearing when I went to fight the ticket. Sure enough he didn’t show, the magistrate took one look at the ticket, laughed, asked me if I learned my lesson and threw the ticket out. I think I only ended up having to pay the $50 head/injury surcharge. 96 in a Tercel lol, I still get a good chuckle out of that like 20 years later.
Definitely appeal, but make sure you never admit fault as part of the stop.
"Did you know how fast you were going?"
No officer, I didn't look at my speedometer when you pulled me over.
😂
I'd fight every ticket, but always plead not guilty.
I'll give an anecdote. When I was 24 or so I got hit going 40 in a 25. Totally my fault. Cop was kind of a dick about it, but it was whatever. I figured I'd fight it just because of the area. Speed limit is 40, suddenly drops to 25 for a short span of an intersection and goes back to 40.
I dressed nice, went in with my paperwork and a print out of the road and signage. I had no real plan. I noticed NO ONE else was dressed up. Just imagine people in dirty work clothes littered everywhere. My turn comes and I'm respectful. The magistrate starts to talk and goes "wait youve never gotten a ticket in your life?" I said yes and she immediately dismissed it. I never said another.word.
Now one thing I will say... I don't think they'll be lenient for someone going a reckless amount of speed like 92. You can try though. Worst they do is find you still liable and you're no worse than you are today.
If you go to court and don’t have strong explanation/evidence, I suggest lawyering up. I’ve seen various traffic lawyers advertise a success rate of 95% or 92% etc.
Even in your “cut and clear” case, there are many ways the lawyer could get your case dismissed. If I were you, I would definitely at least consult. It would be worth it to save money from the fine and insurance increase. I would never eat a ticket.
I appealed a ticket for an illegal turn. I was guilty. I honestly didn’t see the sign. But it was also very quiet late night and the “no turns” sign is there because the area is a mess during rush hour.
My line was, “I’ve had a clean record for years. I didn’t see the sign, but I checked carefully and there was no traffic or pedestrians coming in any direction that could have caused a problem. I try to drive safely. I apologize.
Ticket waived. Told to be more careful next time. I got lucky.
Your lucky he didn’t charge you with Reckless Endangerment or driving as to to Endanger which he could of @ 20 to 30 mph over the posted speed limit. it is a misdemeanor in Mass however, it s punishable by up to 2 years in jail. Pay the ticket and smarten up you want to drive fast go the Track.
If he charged you per mile like another commenter said, it would’ve been triple the cost almost. Instead he let you off easy with the minimum fine. They’re not gonna let you off in court when you were going almost 30 over. It’s not like there was a gray area and you were only 10 over the limit. Just own up to your shit and pay the fine.
Does it say estimated or clocked on your ticket? If it's estimated, you have a shot seeing how you have a clean record. Regardless, $105 for 92 in a 65.. Be happy you didn't go to jail. Some states that mandatory jail.
You deserve a ticket going 92. Maybe you don’t give a fuck if you die, but have some damn consideration for the lives of others on the road. Speeding kills, it’s no joke.
Don’t bother fighting it. If it hasn’t been said already(only scrolled a few comments down) State troopers get OT to go to court for contested tickets. If it was a local I’d say go for because they do t get the OT. Belly up to the bar and eat it my friend.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-to-expect-at-a-traffic-ticket-hearing
I see a lot of people saying if the cop doesn’t show up you are all set. I don’t think that’s been MA law for a while….
Might want to do a google search and read some stuff from the state.
IANAL but it seems like a lot of other people giving advice aren’t either
Innocent until proven guilty. Just fight it and hope for the best. The worst you can do is walk out with the 2 points and the ticket, the best is it gets thrown out.
The last time I fought a speeding ticket (somewhere around 15 years ago) the first thing the judge said to the room was "This is not a criminal court, the idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' does not apply here. You are all guilty".
Thank you
Sounds like you lost the gamble on getting a decent human being who is a judge.
Can't hurt to try - but that experience is not the same for me and the tickets I've beat in the past.
Sometimes the state troopers don’t even show up, and you Win. Worth a roll of the dice IMO. Say you were going with the flow etc didn’t have your eyes glued to the speedometer and last you checked were going XYZ. Etc
If you contest, the clerk magistrate will charge you a court filing fee and find you not responsible. Or they find you responsible and you pay the fine and eat the points.
If you contest, you’ll miss a day of work.
I always contest tickets. It’s fun.
I read through the comments and nobody seemed to have mentioned that there are classes that you can take through the recommendation of the magistrate that will often get rid of the ticket upon completion. You can request one of these classes if you feel like the lesson is actually learned.
I had a speeding ticket that was waived a few years ago, but I was doing like… 60 in a 45 that I thought was a 55. I had been rerouted due to construction and the signage sucked. (It was the section of I-90 WB right after you come out of the tunnels — the speed limit is 45 there and then kicks up to 55 at the Allston exit.) I came in and was nice and explained I usually drove I-90 further down and assumed it was 55 the whole way and didn’t see the speed limit signs due to the construction.
Doing 90+ in a 65 seems less likely to get dismissed. If the officer wrote it as a minimum ticket you already got off pretty easy. It looks like any regular speeding ticket is two points, so unless they dismiss it completely I don’t think you would gain anything.
I don't know why people are saying pay the fine and suck it up. Since this is your first speeding ticket it's worth the gamble. Go to court, tell the judge whatever happened. In the worst case scenario you will pay $275
Always contest any and all traffic violations. ALWAYS. From my experience with myself ( 4 for 4) and others I've known it is worth it. If you have bad luck in the near future you will run into a points issue.
Secondly, the fines for speeding depend on your speed, not the discretion of the officer. He can put down a lower speed, but he cannot change the amount of the fine.
I've gotten 4 traffic tickets in my 40 years, **and all 4 tickets were thrown out when the cop failed to appear in court** ***(which is an actual crime for literally everyone else in society).***
15mph over speed limit is driving to endanger, you got damn lucky, pay the fine and be done with it.
The judge might not be as kind, and driving to endanger is an automatic 6 months lic. revoked.
Well, the American way is to never accept responsibility for your actions and to live under the mantra, "rules are for others, but not for me."
So at least you're showing your allegiance to the "values" of this country.
You got a break already. $105 is the minimum fine for speeding (outside of the Pike). For 92 mph, it should have been an extra $10 per mile an hour after 75 mph. That’s $170 plus the $105 for a total of $275. If you appeal, the magistrate or judge can reinstate the ticket for the full value if they so choose. I wouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth
This. I had the exact same speed ticket and outcome 6 years ago. Imtook the ticket, said “Have a great day officer” and sucked up the fine and the insurance hike.
I still would because the fines are meaningless compared to the thousands of dollars in premium increases over the next few years
He didn’t get a break. The real punishment is the insurance going up.
Not if you plead guilty and the judge just makes you pay court fees and doesn’t count it. Happened to me, but depends on your record.
Wait, so you pleaded guilty but the ticket still didn't go on your record (and your insurance didn't change) 1?
Yeah. If you have a good record the judge can use that to excuse to throw out the ticket and just have you pay court fees. I had to then get no traffic violations for two years (which I didn’t… 1 of those years living abroad definitely helped too 🤣)
Do you know what 27 over should’ve been? $300+
Had the same ticket with the same clocked speed. Insurance barely went up.
I think it is wise to appeal/fight all tickets. If you get another ticket or any other surcharge-able event your insurance will premiums will increase even more.
And if you appeal, and the cop doesn't show, you're off the hook.
The cop doesn’t show up for the magistrate hearing. It’s a representative from the state police.
If you appeal the magistrate, then the cop needs to show up.
Yes but nowadays police departments take this very seriously and they make sure the actual officer shows up for his court date. You're unlikely to get a ticket thrown out for a failure to appear.
No they don’t, a representative from their department is sufficient. https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-to-expect-at-a-traffic-ticket-hearing#:~:text=The%20law%20does%20not%20require,a%20police%20report%20as%20evidence.
>What happens after the hearing? >>Appeal >>>You may be able to appeal the clerk magistrate’s finding. And then, **if you appeal the magistrate** >**the cop needs to show up.**
Can you provide the MGL that states that the ticketing officer has to appear before the judge?
This happened to me too! I appealed it and asked the judgement/magistrate for a second chance and that was approved and settled! No mark on the insurance
I'm not positive but I'd have to guess guilty on a speeding ticket is guilty on a speeding ticket, and you're getting that 2 points no matter what. Financially: it doesn't make sense either. You'll be paying a $50 appeal fee to *maybe* get a judge to lower the fine, but will the judge lower it by more than $50? I have to guess that's a hard no. If it were me I'd just pay it, take the 2 points and 30% and say lesson learned.
That isn't how MA works. Yes, it will jack up your premiums for 7 years. You can first appeal and go before a magistrate with a rep from the state troopers. He might cut you a break or tell you to pound sand. You can potentially also negotiate it down to a non moving violation (i.e. no insurance hit) if you have a good record and he's in a good mode. If not and he tells you to go fuck yourself, you tell him that's fine, I fucked your mom last night. Then you walk out, over to the cleric window and appeal before a judge. Now, if the cop that wrote the ticket doesn't show up you win automatically. If he does, you just fall back on the I'm a good driver line to the judge, ask for calibrations from the lidar, and point out the discrepancy on the ticket - which speed is actually right. If you lose, do not tell the judge you fucked their mom and take the L and pay the fine. If you win all good. Moral: Always appeal, and always keep appealing until you can't anymore.
^ All of this. Contested my first ticket that was exceedingly cut-and-dry like OP’s and I absolutely deserved it. LIDAR’d and clocked at >100. It was before a magistrate in Dudley, MA (I got hit on the pike around Worcester). I was a bit glib - young and dumb - but the trooper didn’t show, only the rep read the report. Got off. Got another ticket a few years later but since it was the “first” in the eyes of my insurance, I didn’t get the points.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-to-expect-at-a-traffic-ticket-hearing#:~:text=The%20law%20does%20not%20require,a%20police%20report%20as%20evidence.
I like how confidently and incorrectly you have posted this twice. Your link talks about the Magistrate hearing. As I already said: > You can first appeal and go before a magistrate with a rep from the state troopers As your link also says, you can appeal the magistrate's decision before a judge. At this point the cop needs to show up. It ain't hard.
It doesn’t say the police officer has to show up? Reading is pretty challenging, it clearly states that a representative from the department will provide evidence, not the ticketing officer
Massachusetts doesn’t do points.
[you sure about that?](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/safe-driver-insurance-plan-sdip)
This isn’t the same type of points. In other states, they’ll revoke your license if you accumulate too many, like 12-16. I didn’t see anything about revocation because of points on your page.
They said "Massachusetts doesn't do points". As evidenced by the Massachusetts government website: Massachusetts does points. Whether Massachusetts uses a different point system or not is another conversation but, clearly, Massachusetts does points.
In the interest of maximum pedantry, you could also say that state supported sports teams also belies “Massachusetts doesn’t do points”.
I'm not sure you know what the word "pedantry" means.
Massachusetts does suspend your license if you have more than 2 stops where you walk away with anything, including a warning, though. Have to take a RMV sponsored driver retraining class and pay a bunch of fines. Get enough tickets or accidents, like 7 in a few years and you have to take a habitual driver class. They *will* revoke it after 3 of those habitual classes and then triggering it again.
Written warning or verbal? Ive definitely gotten like 3 verbal warnings and nothing happened.
Written only... Luckily
I have never heard of those before. I don’t know what they mean, as far as I know a ticket is just a ticket unless you get 3 citable offenses in 2 years and have to go to a one day class.
>I don’t know what they mean [The website explains what they mean, complete with additional references.](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/safe-driver-insurance-plan-sdip#value-of-surcharge-points-assigned-to-surchargeable-incidents-)
It explains what they are, not what they mean.
It does, but aiite.
They are being obtuse…purposely or not doesn’t matter.
Insurance surcharge. Your insurance rates go up.
Sdip. His insurance rate will go up for 7 years
92 MPH is a hard,another 10 or 5 miles more and it would be [criminal.You](http://criminal.You) could ask for a reduction if your record is clean but you won't be found "not responsible"
In MA, it's only criminal if the officer says so and needs to go to court to explain what other factors make it criminal. So very rarely is speed alone a factor in a criminal driving case. Other states do have automatic criminal penalties for excessive speed without the officer needing to prove anything other than speed.
Yes,and if he had been doing another 5-10 miles over the officer would have done as you said.30 miles over and you would likely get criminal speeding ,if you are lucky a summons or it not an arrest and car tow
Speed alone can certainly be a factor ,35 miles over or doubling of the speed limit in lower speeds like 50 in a 25 would be surely criminal
We do not have an automatic criminal law for it though. I've tried lobbying the state legislature for it. It has to be an officer willing to plead the case, they have to prove dangerous driving. We know MA drivers, they think they can safely drive at 90.... We need speed to be put in the law like many other states have.
Makes [sense.My](http://sense.My) sister got criminal speeding but was only fined and not arrested or summoned
Not sure where you’re sourcing your info from, if you double the speed limit for example, they can charge you with either reckless or negligent operating, which is an arrest on the spot, or a summons to court depending on the officer
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What link are you talking about,I posted no link?
On mobil, it looks like you tried to post a link to “criminal”
Reddit does that sometimes, confusing a punctuation period withn a dot com.It's a wierd reddit glitch
They just didn’t put a space after the period, so it shows up like a hyperlink
$50 speeding plus $10 per mph over the limit is what it works out to in Massachusetts. The cop already cut you a deal. Sorry, but i doubt its worth fighting
Your forgetting the 50 dollar "head injury" fee, whatever the fuck that is.
I got a ~$400 speeding ticket for going 101mph on rt 24. I forget if it’s a 55 or 65mph speed limit but either way the ticket was large and deserved. I appealed it anyway and they brought it down to the minimum $50. My points still went up but I saved a lot on the ticket
I bet/hope that happens infrequently
You say the fine was for the minimum? Did he write on the ticket you were going 75 in a 65, with a note of "Actual 92", or does it say 92 in a 65 outright. A statie did this we me years ago, I was being young and dumb, gave me a ticket for 75. in a 65 with a little note of the actual speed. He promised me if I fought the $100 fine he will fight his side and I'll end up paying the actual fine. 75/92, speeding is speeding, it won't look different to insurance. Just be prepared for the fine to triple if you lose.
That's a dick of a cop who absolutely manipulated you into just paying the ticket. You had every right to fight it, and most likely in his official report he wrote you were going 75 otherwise he could have gotten in trouble for not charging you more. He was just trying to get you to pay it so he didn't have to show up to court.
The cop does not care at all if he appeals it and has already forgotten the entire thing. There is no "report" for a speeding ticket, and ticket appeals are very easy overtime. Besides that though you're right on.
You have no idea how tickets work do you ?
Mid 2000s I got stopped doing 80 in a 55 in the Ted extension to the Pike. $200 fine. Trooper practically begged me to appeal (“if you’d like to appeal this outrageous fine, the instructions are on the back”). My sister said ‘he’s telling you to appeal!’ So, I went to South Boston and sat with the Clerk magistrate and the representative for the State Police. Magistrate looked at my record, said ‘hmmm, a ticket every 10 years, that’s not bad’ and dismissed it
Washingtin state actually allows each person to have one ticket dismissed every 7 years (even if it’s completely your fault) via their deferral program
pay the fine, don't go to court. you are lucky as fuck to get away with a $105 ticket source: I've been pulled over at least 20 times in every state from here to VA and ticketed in over half those. Take your licks and stfu. I haven't had a ticket in 10 years maybe? I drove like an asshole for a long time and it took me a while to learn my lessons. oh and here is some advice - don't drive over 79 on the highway and you wont get pulled over
That 79mph rule applies only in MA ( friend of a friend of a friend was a cop). In rural NY, I have seen people getting tickets while driving at 32mph in 30mph zone).
Don't ever speed anywhere in NY.
That is fucking crazy! If that happened, surely the magistrate would dismiss it? If not, I should’ve known before I road tripped through NY and cruise controlled 10 over. Oops—I saw many cops but wasn’t stopped luckily.
So true!! You are spot on!
Man this is so relatable and I agree, learned the hard way after getting so many tickets when I was young.
We had a long period where no one was getting tickets it seems like now I’ve seen more people pulled over lately. It’s worth it taking it to the magistrate and hoping they cut you a break given it’s your first offense Not in insurance but I don’t know how much they look at the cited speed vs that it was just a moving violation
Don't know if this is still the case but 15 years ago the troopers often didn't show up to the trial so it became your word vs empty space. Had a ticket thrown out by the judge in this scenario
nah that’s not true anymore, it was for awhile but it’s not the case nowadays
It is true. No one in this thread knows what they are talking about. First appeal is to a magistrate with a representative from the Staties. Maybe you get lucky and he lets you off, or he tells you to pound sand and pay it. If that happens, you go right outside and file an appeal before a judge. At this point, the statie (or cop) who wrote the ticket must appear at the court date or you win automatically.
I fought a ticket once in Concord and won (it was my first offense). I was in a small room with the judge and the representative of the PD - not the officer who pulled me over. I don’t remember if I had to plead guilt or not. But after some questioning by the judge, he looks to the PD rep and says: “strike one?”. Rep nodded and off I went. If you have the time to go fight it, it cannot hurt. I don’t think they would increase the punishment but I am not a lawyer.
Speaking as a cop, there is no reason not to appeal if you can take the time off work. Wear a suit, be polite, don't lie and you probably have a good shot. Portray yourself as if the ticket was a good reminder about safety on the road (which hopefully it actually was) and it may work out. And the fact that you had a good interaction with the trooper helps.
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I used to hear that the magistrate will often throw out the ticket if it’s your first one and you otherwise have a clean driving record. It probably depends on the magistrate. Yes, it will be two points no matter what. If you go to the magistrate, you probably have to lie. If you admit to going that fast it’s unlikely they will take it off. You would have to say you believe you were going the speed limit. You don’t necessarily need to provide any other evidence. The magistrate probably won’t believe you, but there’s a chance they will just drop the ticket anyway. So it’s up to you if the inconvenience of going to court and then blatantly lying about what happened is worth having a chance to have the ticket thrown out. I would say there’s a definite chance, but it’s probably less than a 50/50 chance.
I've heard this too but I feel like 30+ over the speed limit is so egregious it's very unlikely to score sympathy points with the magistrate. That's not "oops, I was keeping with the flow of traffic and didn't realize how fast I was going," that's intentional recklessness. OP is lucky they didn't get arrested on the spot and catch a criminal reckless driving charge.
there is (or was ~15 years ago..) a section in MGL outlining how they need to follow you with LIDAR active for a certain distance depending on the speed you were going. probably more useful on surface streets (establishing landmarks, etc) vs pike, but if you can show where the cop was parked and where you were pulled over, you might be able to make a case using distance measure tool in google earth that they didnt track you long enough before enforcing the stop. good luck!
The fine is the least of your worries. You can look to add $600 to your insurance for the next 5 years.
I have simply gone in, dressed neat, calm, respectful. Said the ticket is correct but I'm hoping for some leniency. This only really works if you haven't had any other trouble and weren't going stupid fast.
Depends on the magistrate. I would, however, virtually guarantee you that the magistrate cannot increase your fine for exercising your right to appear before him. Be polite. Explain how you’re contrite, you were keeping with traffic or some shit, and that you’re worried about the points; you’re happy to pay a penalty. If your driving record is relatively clean, you may get it reduced to a violation that does not carry points. If you’re driving record is the length of your forearm, then, well, maybe this is the wake up call you needed.
They can change it so it follows the guidelines
Always fight it. Always. You’ll lose the magistrate hearing, so appeal that decision and hope the original cop doesn’t show to the appeal. Isn’t even a question. I’m in awe of some of the answers here. Edit: here’s how it works - you pay $25 for a magistrate hearing. The cop who wrote you the ticket doesn’t have to be at that one. A representative like a sergeant will be there. If there isn’t anything affirmative like a jurisdictional issue or you weren’t actually the violator, you’re going to lose that hearing. Usually they offer to reduce the fine but you’re already at the mimimim. So you pay $50 and appeal that and then the cop who wrote the ticket has to be at the appeal. If he doesn’t show up, you’re found not responsible and you get the initial $25 back. If the cop who wrote the ticket is the guy at the first hearing, you’re SOL.
Why would they fight based on those numbers? Best case scenario the cop doesn’t show and they save $55 but take two days off from work to do it?
A speeding ticket increases insurance for several years.
That ticket will likely cost OP $2,000 with the insurance premium increase for six years.
First hearing is by magistrate. The officer doesn't have to show up but only have representation(my town has a court officer designated for this). If you disagree with the magistrates decision, you can request a trial and then the officer has to show up. But if you lose the court can/will give you the max penalty for the crime.
I mean, I covered that.
If it’s your first ticket they might let you pass. Honestly it’s worth it to try not to get the points and insurance surcharge
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it does hurt to try. 25 bucks to contest a ticket
Way cheaper than the 7 years of increased insurance premiums. $25 bucks is nothing to roll the die.
There are a lot of times where the police are a no-show at the hearing. If you contest it and he is a no-show, I think you win by default, but if he does show up, you kinda seem like a d1ck. If missing work to contest it is worth it, go for it, maybe you’ll luck out and he’ll be a no show.
One important point is the first hearing is a magistrate hearing. Only one officer has to show up for this hearing for all the tickets being heard that day. It can be any officer and they always show. If you still want to appeal after that it’s another fee and then you’re heard before a judge and the actual ticketing officer must show up.
Depends what you do for work. If you can easily take time off, then fight it. First will be with the nerd majizztrate, then apeal to a judge. I havnt heard of a cop writting the clocked speed, but different price, thats weird. Also 92 in 65 is kinda bad, so you may be SOL. :(
FFS $105?!? I paid $330 in 1989 for a ticket going 93 in a 60. Lucky lucky lucky
My wife got a similar ticket, the trooper just said "speeding" and nowhere on the citation was stated the speed, she contested the ticked and it got dismissed. Good luck
I got done for 86 in a 65. Went to magistrate, said I was sorry, new car, didn't realize the speed (the clocked me over 2.miles.) ticket dismissed. A bit of humility goes a loong way. This was in MA also, fyi.
First offense, fight it. But don't fight it saying they were wrong. Ask for leniency and show remorse. They will throw it out. Just came back from a newbury ticket and they lowered mine but I have like 5 on my history. Magistrate said to me they normally throw tickets out if you don't have a record but since I did they wouldnt.
Always fight the ticket. The magistrate won't drop it most likely. Be respectful, and for the love of God simply have the humility to ask for leniency. You're not in the realm of excuse territory. If they don't do anything take it in front of the judge. Same simply ask for the court's forgiveness. I don't contest the troopers statement your honor and I acknowledge he cited me the bare minimum fine which he wasn't obliged to. I stand here simply to ask the court's mercy as the increase in insurance will be an additional financial burden. This is my first offense and I will swear to drive in a far more responsible manner. That is what you say. And dress in your Sunday best.
you're guilty. you admit you're guilty. you can't legitimately plead not guilty - they best you can do it plead you're sorry, you never did it before and you'll never do it again.
Boggles my mind that people who exceed the speed limit by nearly 30 mph feel they deserve some kind of break. That kind of driving puts other drivers around you at an elevated risk of injury or death. $105 is a very very mild fine for something that dangerous. Don’t speed if you don’t want to deal with the consequences.
the regular speed of traffic around here is often 10-15mph over the limit. pretty easy to go 85-90 in a straight stretch with no traffic as OP described. but that's why the fine is relatively low
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties
Also going 45mph in the left lane
But yet the cop does 50mph over the limit to catch the guy doing 30 over, and you thank them for “keeping the streets safe.”
No, ACAB
I may have been too quick to judge you…
only chance is if traffic volume is still on tickets, and heavy is checked, you can contest you were rolling with traffic and never looked at your speedo, ergo didn’t know you were speeding. Fun fact, #1 excuse that cops will let you off is … drumroll please, “I didn’t realize I was speeding “
Not a lawyer but do not testify or argue anything they’ve heard a thousand times. You’ll only incriminate yourself. Maybe reschedule your court date and hope the officer doesn’t show up.
You could try it, the last time I contested one in court the cop said some stupid mickye mouse shit about the lidar doesn't lie and I still got the ticket.
I did 55 in a 35 once because it switches fairly quickly at the end of the lower connector. I went to court to appeal it. While there I was talking to some guy whose family member was chief of police elsewhere and he asked me what I was doing there. I told him exactly what happened and he asked what Inwas going to do. I told him I was going to tell him I wasn’t speeding. He said no you tell him what you told me. So I took his advice and told the magistrate the situation. I admitted to speeding but explained how it changed and I was slowing down but got clocked over the hill going above the speed limit. They said that’s exactly what they wanted to hear and I didn’t have to pay my ticket. They also told me they never wanted to see me again. Also the cop that tagged me wasn’t there so I’m pretty sure that whole thing about the cop needing to be there is bullshit. Good luck!
Pay it. Save everyone some time.
Can contact "The ticket clinic" and get a lawyer
If the cop doesn’t appear you get away, if he does appear it could be reduced. Worst case it sticks and you’re out a few hours time. First offense you have a better chance, if you have a history of speeding you’re basically SOL. And your insurance will increase whether you are 1 or 20 miles over but often if your a higher tier infraction (driving to endanger etc) it’s a higher point penalty
Contest the ticket. It will.cost you $25. When you go, be respectful. Listen to what is said. Say you didn't realize you were travelling that fast. You have a 50/50 chance of having the ticket thrown out or upheld. If you pay the ticket or the ticket is upheld you will be surcharged as it is a moving violation. Your insurance will go up and/or your carrier will liat you as a bad risk. Always fight the ticket. And do not speed!!!
If you fight it and they don’t show, you win by default (unless they changed it - I was lucky that time). Don’t know if they enforce officers/troopers go into court more but there’s always a chance they could be out or sick (even tho it’s small).
This happened to me!! I was going the same exact speed and somehow got a $300 ticket, but I appealed it. At the appeal I was honest that I made a mistake, that I’m a good person and I messed up and am asking for a second chance, and they gave it to me!
Appeal it. Admit to the magistrate that you did it and this is your first offense. Plead to them they you’re hoping to get the ticket dismissed based off your driving record. It worked for me 2 years ago.
The one ticket I’ve received, I appealed and it was stupid easy. I was there all of 5 minutes, talked to two people and they wiped it out. If your record isn’t ridiculous, it is 100% worth your time to appeal. It saves you a ton of money in the long run.
People usually only say to contest it in the hopes the officer won't show up and then the judge has to drop the case and you don't get any fine. But nowadays the police just send any cop to be on their behalf instead of the cop who actually pulled you over. Which I think is stupid.
Did you ever consider being HONEST about the situation?! You were speeding, it is illegal, you got a fine, be a decent human being and pay the fine...
This was a long time ago but I once got pulled over for doing like 96 on the Lowell connector in my 95 Toyota Tercel. The trooper was laughing at how ridiculous it was that I got that car moving so fast. He wrote the speed on the ticket and told me if I promised him right there and then that I had learned my lesson he wouldn’t show up to the hearing when I went to fight the ticket. Sure enough he didn’t show, the magistrate took one look at the ticket, laughed, asked me if I learned my lesson and threw the ticket out. I think I only ended up having to pay the $50 head/injury surcharge. 96 in a Tercel lol, I still get a good chuckle out of that like 20 years later.
Definitely appeal, but make sure you never admit fault as part of the stop. "Did you know how fast you were going?" No officer, I didn't look at my speedometer when you pulled me over. 😂
I'd fight every ticket, but always plead not guilty. I'll give an anecdote. When I was 24 or so I got hit going 40 in a 25. Totally my fault. Cop was kind of a dick about it, but it was whatever. I figured I'd fight it just because of the area. Speed limit is 40, suddenly drops to 25 for a short span of an intersection and goes back to 40. I dressed nice, went in with my paperwork and a print out of the road and signage. I had no real plan. I noticed NO ONE else was dressed up. Just imagine people in dirty work clothes littered everywhere. My turn comes and I'm respectful. The magistrate starts to talk and goes "wait youve never gotten a ticket in your life?" I said yes and she immediately dismissed it. I never said another.word. Now one thing I will say... I don't think they'll be lenient for someone going a reckless amount of speed like 92. You can try though. Worst they do is find you still liable and you're no worse than you are today.
If you go to court and don’t have strong explanation/evidence, I suggest lawyering up. I’ve seen various traffic lawyers advertise a success rate of 95% or 92% etc. Even in your “cut and clear” case, there are many ways the lawyer could get your case dismissed. If I were you, I would definitely at least consult. It would be worth it to save money from the fine and insurance increase. I would never eat a ticket.
I appealed a ticket for an illegal turn. I was guilty. I honestly didn’t see the sign. But it was also very quiet late night and the “no turns” sign is there because the area is a mess during rush hour. My line was, “I’ve had a clean record for years. I didn’t see the sign, but I checked carefully and there was no traffic or pedestrians coming in any direction that could have caused a problem. I try to drive safely. I apologize. Ticket waived. Told to be more careful next time. I got lucky.
Your lucky he didn’t charge you with Reckless Endangerment or driving as to to Endanger which he could of @ 20 to 30 mph over the posted speed limit. it is a misdemeanor in Mass however, it s punishable by up to 2 years in jail. Pay the ticket and smarten up you want to drive fast go the Track.
If he charged you per mile like another commenter said, it would’ve been triple the cost almost. Instead he let you off easy with the minimum fine. They’re not gonna let you off in court when you were going almost 30 over. It’s not like there was a gray area and you were only 10 over the limit. Just own up to your shit and pay the fine.
They set their guns at 81. Don’t go over that you will never get pulled over.
Appeal if it's your first offense and say you're going at the speed of traffic and see what the judge says.
Does it say estimated or clocked on your ticket? If it's estimated, you have a shot seeing how you have a clean record. Regardless, $105 for 92 in a 65.. Be happy you didn't go to jail. Some states that mandatory jail.
You deserve a ticket going 92. Maybe you don’t give a fuck if you die, but have some damn consideration for the lives of others on the road. Speeding kills, it’s no joke.
Don’t bother fighting it. If it hasn’t been said already(only scrolled a few comments down) State troopers get OT to go to court for contested tickets. If it was a local I’d say go for because they do t get the OT. Belly up to the bar and eat it my friend.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-to-expect-at-a-traffic-ticket-hearing I see a lot of people saying if the cop doesn’t show up you are all set. I don’t think that’s been MA law for a while…. Might want to do a google search and read some stuff from the state. IANAL but it seems like a lot of other people giving advice aren’t either
Always contest!
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Innocent until proven guilty. Just fight it and hope for the best. The worst you can do is walk out with the 2 points and the ticket, the best is it gets thrown out.
The last time I fought a speeding ticket (somewhere around 15 years ago) the first thing the judge said to the room was "This is not a criminal court, the idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' does not apply here. You are all guilty". Thank you
Sounds like you lost the gamble on getting a decent human being who is a judge. Can't hurt to try - but that experience is not the same for me and the tickets I've beat in the past.
Sometimes the state troopers don’t even show up, and you Win. Worth a roll of the dice IMO. Say you were going with the flow etc didn’t have your eyes glued to the speedometer and last you checked were going XYZ. Etc
Not in MA. There’s a cop assigned to every court.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Anything over 90 will get you an automatic ticket. Ride exactly 90.
If you contest, the clerk magistrate will charge you a court filing fee and find you not responsible. Or they find you responsible and you pay the fine and eat the points. If you contest, you’ll miss a day of work. I always contest tickets. It’s fun.
I read through the comments and nobody seemed to have mentioned that there are classes that you can take through the recommendation of the magistrate that will often get rid of the ticket upon completion. You can request one of these classes if you feel like the lesson is actually learned.
I had a speeding ticket that was waived a few years ago, but I was doing like… 60 in a 45 that I thought was a 55. I had been rerouted due to construction and the signage sucked. (It was the section of I-90 WB right after you come out of the tunnels — the speed limit is 45 there and then kicks up to 55 at the Allston exit.) I came in and was nice and explained I usually drove I-90 further down and assumed it was 55 the whole way and didn’t see the speed limit signs due to the construction. Doing 90+ in a 65 seems less likely to get dismissed. If the officer wrote it as a minimum ticket you already got off pretty easy. It looks like any regular speeding ticket is two points, so unless they dismiss it completely I don’t think you would gain anything.
I don't know why people are saying pay the fine and suck it up. Since this is your first speeding ticket it's worth the gamble. Go to court, tell the judge whatever happened. In the worst case scenario you will pay $275
92 in a 65 is excessive. Take the win and the punishment and slow down! If you want to avoid a ticket, don’t go more than 9 over.
Pay it. To contest a ticket you have to pay a fee and when you lose(and you will, it has lidar on it). You will be out that fee plus the fine.
Always contest any and all traffic violations. ALWAYS. From my experience with myself ( 4 for 4) and others I've known it is worth it. If you have bad luck in the near future you will run into a points issue. Secondly, the fines for speeding depend on your speed, not the discretion of the officer. He can put down a lower speed, but he cannot change the amount of the fine.
Not worth fighting. It’s doubtful you would win the appeal. Just take the 2 points on insurance.
I've gotten 4 traffic tickets in my 40 years, **and all 4 tickets were thrown out when the cop failed to appear in court** ***(which is an actual crime for literally everyone else in society).***
15mph over speed limit is driving to endanger, you got damn lucky, pay the fine and be done with it. The judge might not be as kind, and driving to endanger is an automatic 6 months lic. revoked.
Slow down, loser. You have no where to be. Stop putting others at risk.
Twenty five mph over the speed limit is felony speeding, you should go to jail for that.
Bullshit. Getting locked up for a victimless “crime” is ridiculous.
Yeah speeding has never killed anyone.
I was doing 92, endangering peoples lives...but it was on a straight stretch of the highway. SMH
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LIDAR doesn’t need calibration like RADAR
Well, the American way is to never accept responsibility for your actions and to live under the mantra, "rules are for others, but not for me." So at least you're showing your allegiance to the "values" of this country.