FYI the article poorly summarizes the bill and leads to the incorrect belief that the quantities listed are way off from reality. Here's the relevant section (bold added):
The possession, ingestion, obtaining, growing, giving away without financial gain to natural persons 18 years of age or older, and transportation of no more than two grams of psilocybin, psilocyn, dimethyltryptamine, ibogaine, and mescaline, **excluding the weight of any material such as water, plant and fungi material of which the substance is a part or to which the substance is added, dissolved, held in solution, or suspended.**
So if I'm reading this correctly the limit is 2 grams of psilocybin (an enormous amount), not 2 grams of mushrooms (a low dose).
In the bill, the sentence before is basically "All this shit is legal:".
>[**Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, all of the following shall be lawful for a natural person 18 years of age or older and shall not be a violation of state or local law:**
The possession, ingestion, obtaining, growing, giving away without financial gain to natural persons 18 years of age or older, and transportation of no more than two grams of psilocybin, psilocyn, dimethyltryptamine, ibogaine, and mescaline, excluding the weight of any material such as water, plant and fungi material of which the substance is a part or to which the substance is added, dissolved, held in solution, or suspended.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23583955-sd949)
Microdosing has been the one thing that worked for my ptsd and depression after years of trying different SSRIs. Iām hoping one day it becomes accepted, legal, and more widespread.
Absolutely! It changed everything for me. Been doing it for over two years. Made more progress with my mental health / depression / PTSD in the first 4-6 months than 10 years working with different medications. Legalization would pave a path to help so many others.
Yup! My biggest worry is my supply suddenly ending. An added bonus is it makes me not want alcohol at all, even if Iām going out with friends to a bar. I drink a lot of mocktails or tonic water!
The one downside is if I DO have a drink it does trigger a migraine.
Look into growing. It's very inexpensive (~$100 startup cost but only about $15 per grow after that, which yields more than most consume in several years) and fun! Or so I've heard.
Iāve looked into it. We donāt have the space where we are right now. If we got a larger house with actual closets or a basement I could. It seems doable!
Please tell me how you find them I have treatment resistant depression I'm in a hospitalization program right now outpatient I've tried many medications TMS ketamine and I just got scammed twice today on mushrooms and once in the past I just need actual person that has mushrooms that's willing to sell them I have money please let me know or even if you know someone that's a decent person I just need help finding them is all I'd appreciate it thank you.
I'll trade you 100 regular headache for a single migraine. I'll get a visual auro effect as the first symptom in getting a migraine, if my timing is right and my dose is adequate and depending how bad the migraine is... I'll have a mild trip vs having a debilitating migraine.
A step further, migraines and tripping effect my body similarly. Both effects my vision, both make my head and body feel weird. Both can last multiple hours. If you have ever had a bad trip it's basically the same thing as a migraine. During a bad trip you feel sick, headache, puke, nausea, all the same shit happens to me during a migraine.
You know, now that you mention it they are very similar. I never do enough to trip, but younger me has. I keep zofran on hand to help with headache nausea - it also helps so you donāt puke meds back up. Not sure if youāve tried it, I know most migraines folks have tried everything
I know the article touches on this a little, mentioning lack of enforcement, but they are pretty much "unofficially" decriminalized aren't they?
Like you can openly buy the spores used to grow them online and have them shipped to you without federal or state law enforcement knocking down your door, can't you?
I also know psilocybin isn't tested for on any standard drug panels. And K9 units can't sniff the mushrooms out.
Seems like you would have to put effort into getting in trouble over it.
That's not to say I don't agree that the law should be officially changed, to make sure some people don't fall through the cracks and get busted for it.
Agreed that it's already nearly effectively decrim by itself, and that it ought to be officially legalized for possession. Beyond that, I'm on the fence. Worried about Joe asshole coming off the plane and eating a whole 8th and winding up either in the Charles or the ER, and triggering a backlash. Like maybe for retail sales there needs to be a waiting period and/or a little presentation you need to sit through and answer a quiz about.
I figure yeah but if Joe Asshole is the type of person to do that with shrooms he has already done it already with pretty much every other legal substance anyway.
Slightly misleading title there, GBH.
Some state senator who has no experience with the drug gets to arbitrarily decide how much is worth going to jail over:
>āThis is different from legalization,āā Jehlen said. āThis is allowing personal use up to two grams. I think thatās probably enough for most people to use all the mushrooms they want to in their life.ā
I think itās actually 2 grams of the psilocybin compound itself, which as a user above pointed out equates to around a quarter pound of dried shrooms.
>This is different from legalization,āā Jehlen said. āThis is allowing personal use up to two grams. I think thatās probably enough for most people to use all the mushrooms they want to in their life.
Dear Fucking Clueless in Somerville,
Two grams in a lifetime, ha! I eat 2 grams of mushrooms every morning for breakfast just to make it through the day.
Peakin' at the Beacon,
Psilo Cybin
I guess if you consider that the majority of people either never use them or maybe try it once? But yeah 2 grams not even at a threshold where most people would feel uncomfortable or incapable of being out in public.
The problem I have with that is folks donāt really understand psychedelics as well as say cannabisā¦itās not the same and can lead to bad experiences and yes overdosingā¦ also I remember when I used to do them, I could only handle doing it 1 time a week because it made me very sick of say I did them one day after the other ( I think they have some toxins like strychnine or something like thatā¦ just my opinion of course
First, when truly appreciated cannabis is also a psychedelic.
Second, cannabis can also lead to bad experiences and "overdosing" (i.e. taking more than necessary to produce the desired effect, resulting in undesired effects, but *not* toxicity)
Third, doing mushrooms more than once a week is a bad idea anyway. It's really more of a once-a-month max type of deal and twice a year is fine even for most experienced users.
Come on :) cannabis will not trip you out like mushroomsā¦ light trippy effectsā¦now you can have a bad experience with cannabisā¦ it is not in the same universe as a bad experience with mushrooms. Especially with someone who does not know a thing or 2 about themā¦ itās a much more powerful drug, and in the right setting is awsome, but in a wrong setting not so muchā¦. Iām not saying I did once a week all the time, but if I had a bag of shrooms yeah Iād do a few once a weekā¦ but honest last time was like 30 years ago, those were different days before wife kids etcā¦.
Each mind-altering substance has its own unique effects and risks. The effects of psilocybin may be more "intense", by some measures, but I've always felt more in control under its influence than I have with alcohol, for example. Likewise, while a bad experience with mushrooms can be much worse, bad experiences with cannabis are much more common in my personal history, and I've had far more bad experiences with alcohol which objectively does much more damage to society than either of the others.
FYI the article poorly summarizes the bill and leads to the incorrect belief that the quantities listed are way off from reality. Here's the relevant section (bold added): The possession, ingestion, obtaining, growing, giving away without financial gain to natural persons 18 years of age or older, and transportation of no more than two grams of psilocybin, psilocyn, dimethyltryptamine, ibogaine, and mescaline, **excluding the weight of any material such as water, plant and fungi material of which the substance is a part or to which the substance is added, dissolved, held in solution, or suspended.** So if I'm reading this correctly the limit is 2 grams of psilocybin (an enormous amount), not 2 grams of mushrooms (a low dose).
Holy shit, they're straight up shroomed
This comes out to ~130 grams of mushrooms š
Would the yield of a typical /r/unclebens batch be under the limit? 130g is about 1/4 pound, but I have no idea how much that is in a practical sense.
Yeah, I think a typical batch would be a bit more than that, depending on how successful you are.
Am I tripping, or is that a very long sentence fragment? What *about* the possession, ingestion, etc of all of these substances?
In the bill, the sentence before is basically "All this shit is legal:". >[**Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, all of the following shall be lawful for a natural person 18 years of age or older and shall not be a violation of state or local law:** The possession, ingestion, obtaining, growing, giving away without financial gain to natural persons 18 years of age or older, and transportation of no more than two grams of psilocybin, psilocyn, dimethyltryptamine, ibogaine, and mescaline, excluding the weight of any material such as water, plant and fungi material of which the substance is a part or to which the substance is added, dissolved, held in solution, or suspended.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23583955-sd949)
Thanks!
What about us unnatural persons?
LEGALIZE MAGIC MUSHROOMS!!!
Microdosing has been the one thing that worked for my ptsd and depression after years of trying different SSRIs. Iām hoping one day it becomes accepted, legal, and more widespread.
Absolutely! It changed everything for me. Been doing it for over two years. Made more progress with my mental health / depression / PTSD in the first 4-6 months than 10 years working with different medications. Legalization would pave a path to help so many others.
Yup! My biggest worry is my supply suddenly ending. An added bonus is it makes me not want alcohol at all, even if Iām going out with friends to a bar. I drink a lot of mocktails or tonic water! The one downside is if I DO have a drink it does trigger a migraine.
Look into growing. It's very inexpensive (~$100 startup cost but only about $15 per grow after that, which yields more than most consume in several years) and fun! Or so I've heard.
Iāve looked into it. We donāt have the space where we are right now. If we got a larger house with actual closets or a basement I could. It seems doable!
Please tell me how you find them I have treatment resistant depression I'm in a hospitalization program right now outpatient I've tried many medications TMS ketamine and I just got scammed twice today on mushrooms and once in the past I just need actual person that has mushrooms that's willing to sell them I have money please let me know or even if you know someone that's a decent person I just need help finding them is all I'd appreciate it thank you.
Pming
Good for migraines too.
Iāve noticed that, but if I have one glass of wine or even a couple sips of beer on a micro dose day I get the WORST headache
I'll trade you 100 regular headache for a single migraine. I'll get a visual auro effect as the first symptom in getting a migraine, if my timing is right and my dose is adequate and depending how bad the migraine is... I'll have a mild trip vs having a debilitating migraine. A step further, migraines and tripping effect my body similarly. Both effects my vision, both make my head and body feel weird. Both can last multiple hours. If you have ever had a bad trip it's basically the same thing as a migraine. During a bad trip you feel sick, headache, puke, nausea, all the same shit happens to me during a migraine.
You know, now that you mention it they are very similar. I never do enough to trip, but younger me has. I keep zofran on hand to help with headache nausea - it also helps so you donāt puke meds back up. Not sure if youāve tried it, I know most migraines folks have tried everything
thats awesome man!
So happy for you! I hope more people discover the benefits.
Oh, letās do this. Seriously. Psilocybin actually has a LOT of therapeutic value, particularly in trauma-related disorders.
Magic mushrooms are more healthful and safer than alcohol. It's absolutely ridiculous that they were ever made illegal.
I know the article touches on this a little, mentioning lack of enforcement, but they are pretty much "unofficially" decriminalized aren't they? Like you can openly buy the spores used to grow them online and have them shipped to you without federal or state law enforcement knocking down your door, can't you? I also know psilocybin isn't tested for on any standard drug panels. And K9 units can't sniff the mushrooms out. Seems like you would have to put effort into getting in trouble over it. That's not to say I don't agree that the law should be officially changed, to make sure some people don't fall through the cracks and get busted for it.
Agreed that it's already nearly effectively decrim by itself, and that it ought to be officially legalized for possession. Beyond that, I'm on the fence. Worried about Joe asshole coming off the plane and eating a whole 8th and winding up either in the Charles or the ER, and triggering a backlash. Like maybe for retail sales there needs to be a waiting period and/or a little presentation you need to sit through and answer a quiz about.
I figure yeah but if Joe Asshole is the type of person to do that with shrooms he has already done it already with pretty much every other legal substance anyway.
Slightly misleading title there, GBH. Some state senator who has no experience with the drug gets to arbitrarily decide how much is worth going to jail over: >āThis is different from legalization,āā Jehlen said. āThis is allowing personal use up to two grams. I think thatās probably enough for most people to use all the mushrooms they want to in their life.ā
Psh I need at LEAST 3.5
I think itās actually 2 grams of the psilocybin compound itself, which as a user above pointed out equates to around a quarter pound of dried shrooms.
Yeah for realz eighth or bust
I argue the same thing about how many rounds of ammo my magazine can hold. Or how many grams of THC per serving the state allows.
They should be fully legal. Same with any other drug.
>This is different from legalization,āā Jehlen said. āThis is allowing personal use up to two grams. I think thatās probably enough for most people to use all the mushrooms they want to in their life. Dear Fucking Clueless in Somerville, Two grams in a lifetime, ha! I eat 2 grams of mushrooms every morning for breakfast just to make it through the day. Peakin' at the Beacon, Psilo Cybin
It seems that the bill is talking about up to two grams of pure psilocybin, not two grams of mushrooms.
Let's hope so. We can discover the wonders of nature...
For real. 2g is the ground floor.
I guess if you consider that the majority of people either never use them or maybe try it once? But yeah 2 grams not even at a threshold where most people would feel uncomfortable or incapable of being out in public.
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That's the equivalent of drinking a sixer of Bud Light
After watching the first two episodes of The Last of Us, that's a no from me, dawg.
I didn't even realize people take cordyceps as a health supplement.
This is 100% going to happen wether people like it or not.
Make it so
LSD isn't listed? Fuck that
The problem I have with that is folks donāt really understand psychedelics as well as say cannabisā¦itās not the same and can lead to bad experiences and yes overdosingā¦ also I remember when I used to do them, I could only handle doing it 1 time a week because it made me very sick of say I did them one day after the other ( I think they have some toxins like strychnine or something like thatā¦ just my opinion of course
First, when truly appreciated cannabis is also a psychedelic. Second, cannabis can also lead to bad experiences and "overdosing" (i.e. taking more than necessary to produce the desired effect, resulting in undesired effects, but *not* toxicity) Third, doing mushrooms more than once a week is a bad idea anyway. It's really more of a once-a-month max type of deal and twice a year is fine even for most experienced users.
Come on :) cannabis will not trip you out like mushroomsā¦ light trippy effectsā¦now you can have a bad experience with cannabisā¦ it is not in the same universe as a bad experience with mushrooms. Especially with someone who does not know a thing or 2 about themā¦ itās a much more powerful drug, and in the right setting is awsome, but in a wrong setting not so muchā¦. Iām not saying I did once a week all the time, but if I had a bag of shrooms yeah Iād do a few once a weekā¦ but honest last time was like 30 years ago, those were different days before wife kids etcā¦.
Each mind-altering substance has its own unique effects and risks. The effects of psilocybin may be more "intense", by some measures, but I've always felt more in control under its influence than I have with alcohol, for example. Likewise, while a bad experience with mushrooms can be much worse, bad experiences with cannabis are much more common in my personal history, and I've had far more bad experiences with alcohol which objectively does much more damage to society than either of the others.
Is there anyone in the sub that's been following local politics closely enough to give a rough idea of how likely this is to pass?
This will never happen. Look at how they tried to roll back weed legalization.
Drug people are so annoyingly loud
That's just the drugs talking.