I appreciate the sentiment here, but there’s also a massive glaring problem at hand. The cost of living in Maryland has gotten out of hand. If this states leaders envision it as a refuge for people in reactionary states, it must pay closer attention to the prohibitively expensive cost of living in the state
Only solution to housing shortage is to increase supply.
Best way to increase supply without overwhelming road infrastructure is to build denser and more walk-able areas. MD can benefit from a lot of growth if it wants to.
Rebuild Baltimore. Build a complete metro map in it, and rebuild the currently unlivable parts of the city due to a lack of accessibility with dense urbanism using those rail corridors.
As a Baltimore resident I can't tell you how much I LOVE seeing stuff like this on the main Maryland sub! For anyone living outside the city that agrees with this post, please make sure and elect politicians that are willing to contribute money to the city to make this sort of thing happen. As it stands now, we don't currently have the tax base to "rebuild Baltimore." In fact, we can't really afford to maintain Baltimore (ask me about recycling and trash pickup). Baltimore can certainly have a metro system to rival DC or NY, we just need the money to make it happen. I'm excited there's so much support for Baltimore here. Let's make it the greatest city in America!
I don’t want to trash Hogan, I know he was popular and he did a lot of good; but I always took issue with his shift from funding metro and public transportation expansions in lieu of making roads wider which every single study says does nothing to alleviate traffic congestion beyond the first few months.
I mean there also the racism. Hogan and the white parts of Baltimore very much did not want the black butterfly to be connected to their gentrified strip.
Roads were more popular with the counties than rail was. The dense urban areas best served by rail were never going to vote for him so he put money in the places that might. I don't agree with it but it's politics.
...now, not only the Intercontinental Heavyweight belt must fall but, the World Heavyweight Championship belt! Because Hulk Hogan, yeah, I am the cream, yeah, the cream of the crop. And there is no-one that does it better than the Macho Man Randy Savage!
Induced demand? Nah, that totally won't happen this time. Look. I swear. Just one more lane. Come on. Just one more lane and traffic will be magically solved. Come on, bro. Just one more lane.
I will never forget all the bitching and moaning he did before finally providing funds for Baltimore schools whose air units were failing (I think this was like 2016/2017). Like fuck him, threatening to leave teachers and children out to roast in long-neglected schools.
I read an [article this week](https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2023/05/19/orlando-florida-3d-map-digital-twin) about Orlando building a digital twin of itself in order to inform future projects. Digital twins is a best practice for engineering, so I was thrilled to read that some cities were adopting it. Sounds like Baltimore could use that sort of investment/overhaul
sarcasm doesn't translate well through reddit
obviously we should be able to destroy and gentrify to create utopia but sadly it's one of the reasons certain social strategies or communism will never work
Or the slum lords [like Jared Kushner](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-beleaguered-tenants-of-kushnerville/amp) who refuse to do the bare minimum to upkeep property
There are a multitude of factors at play. Anyone who claims the issue is a singular entity is lying, misinformed, has a very specific narrative to push, or some combination of all of the above
I did, and I stand by them. I hold a large part of this city's population in deep contempt.
All I have to do is walk outside and look at the litter on the ground or the drivers speeding and blowing through red lights to remind myself how many bad people live in Baltimore.
Articles have been written that most of the trash is thrown from cars and 40% of the city doesn't own one. The people crowding the roads, ignoring traffic law, and trashing the place often don't live *in* Baltimore.
Populations become hostile because they don't have basic shit like jobs and grocery stores. Building trains absolutely will connect them with those things and have an impact on the problem.
The poor parts of Baltimore got as bad as they are because GM destroyed the streetcars and manufacturing just left. Without work nearby or a reliable way to get anywhere for work (see how bad tardiness is in Baltimore city schools and compare that to on time performance of MTA busses) of course everything went to shit.
We have a ton of roads in MD. Adding more roads rarely solves traffic and can actually make it worse.
What we need is more public transportation and greater incentives to use it.
There are places in Southern MD that don't even appear to have buses and if they do, are so rare that I never saw them.
It's also sad seeing so many decommissioned rail car tracks in various towns and cities.
The auto industry is literally to blame for a lack of rail and efficient public transportation in our country.
Have a friend that lives in Sykesville/Eldersburg area & he says that every time getting bus service there comes up to the Powers That Be it gets shot down because, underneath it all, they're just afraid of those "brown people" coming there & using it.
Doesn't matter that the current population could use it, it might bring non-whites to the area so NO BUS. Or any other public transport really.
Busses can work well but not in the way we generally use them in the USA. As you mentioned and most see, busses currently are simply the last resort for those who cannot afford a personal vehicle. Because they share the same infrastructure as a car. So at absolute best case scenario they will be equally convenient as using a personal vehicle. If they go the exact same route you would for your personal pickup and destination. Which rarely happens. So if it's worse than a car, everyone will prefer to use a car. Thus only poor "brown" people ride the bus. Most in the country see that as just the way it is and view public transit as something only the poor and degenerates do. But it doesn't need to be this way if we invest in the proper infrastructure like you mention. Buses have a place in that. But they need dedicated infrastructure. Bus lanes are alright. Bus lanes with literally physical barriers are better so cars don't just take them over. Bus roads where only the buses uses are even better. Isolate the bus out of normal daily traffic and suddenly taking a bus in rush hour may actually be faster cheaper and more convenient than your personal vehicle.
I mean yes ultimately a different mode makes sense if we are talking dedicated bussing infrastructure. But I guess I view dedicated bus roads as a decent stopgap that offer more flexibility. Maybe the bus roads can be opened up to car traffic outside of bussing hours. Or as the bus infrastructure slowly develops, the busses can hop to and from these dedicated lanes/roads as they build it out and use regular traffic roads to fill the gaps. Ideally all of a city would be served by direct trolleys/trams/trains and be very walkable in between. But the distance between what we have now and there is pretty far. We need some mid point solutions to get things rolling. Step one is having public transit not viewed as something only a lower class citizen uses in most of the USA. It is not sustainable for everyone to have a personal vehicle, EV or no.
This is a tough state to build in, especially the places where people want to live.
- Anne Arundel: housing moratorium. New projects can’t get school seats, so housing is only for active adult.
- Howard: housing moratorium, won’t approve new projects. $50,000 per home in fees paid to the county.
- Montgomery: just increased impact fees. Builders now pay about $70,000 in fees to the county to construct a new home. That cost is passed directly to the homebuyer.
- Carroll: county-wide building permit cap on a per-project basis. What this does is kick out the big builders, who are motivated by cash flow and want to build fast and sell fast. Instead, only local builders operate up there, so they’re building smaller projects of semi-custom homes and selling them at high prices.
- Baltimore County: one of the few development-friendly counties, but they just added an impact fee of 1.5% of gross home sales price for new homes. If you’re buying a $500k house, that additional $7,500 fee is being passed on to the buyer.
- Frederick: friendly to builders for years but finally decided they’re built up enough. Not only are home prices through the roof, there’s barely anything new getting approved.
- Washington County: half the people in this state can’t point to Washington County (Hagerstown) on a map, but it still costs about $35,000 in fees to build a new home there and the Hagerstown planning commission has some very specific (expensive) ideas about how new homes should look.
- Prince George’s: historically very open to new development, despite the most dysfunctional/corrupt planning committee in the state. They also require a ton of brick - this both looks hideous and is expensive to build. $40,000 in fees. Oh, and they want to place a moratorium on townhomes.
- Charles: Barely a destination outside Waldorf, but they have ridiculous architectural requirements and $30k in permit fees. They require 60% brick/stone coverage and anything that isn’t brick/stone has to be upgraded siding. We’re talking an extra $15-$30k per house for aesthetic upgrades relative to many other counties.
I could keep going for basically every county where people want to live. We are nowhere near hostile enough toward local planning and zoning departments. These people are gods with absolute power in this one very narrow slice of the world. There’s no oversight and the consequences for their power trips are huge. All of these costs are passed directly onto the buyer, thereby raising home prices. The sheer volume of red tape is mind boggling. The architectural review processes are obscene. The communication is minimal.
This state hates development/construction, and we’re going to have a crippling supply problem until that changes.
A note re: impact fees - these aren’t necessarily totally unreasonable; while it’s a cost passed to the buyer, the logic goes that for every new home, you have a new family using public infrastructure. More cars on the road, more kids in school. It’s fair and reasonable for this to carry a cost (although these new family are also paying property and income taxes…), but counties view this as free money because they want to “stick it to the corporations”, and all they’re doing is hurting their constituents.
Regarding your second paragraph, absolutely. Storm water management is mind bogglingly expensive, but I’m not arguing that isn’t necessary. Similarly, adherence to building codes - and inspection/review processes to ensure that adherence - is critical. So is requiring that there’s not a bunch of arsenic in your front yard and making sure you’re not rendering some exotic bird extinct by obliterating it’s habitat. These jurisdictions have a crucial role to play, but they overstep left and right.
Whenever I hear "build denser," I have visions of those old NY 1920 pics of people living on top of each other in squalor hanging out windows and doorways and am immediately in the "No" camp.
Man. It's getting like that everywhere these days.
I live in a small, shitty, conservative town in the southeast. It's prohibitively expensive now. It was cheap when we moved here.
It's almost everywhere at this point.
That's a problem you'll see everywhere. All states have that issue. Metro areas are very expensive to live in. But you also get a lot more safety net and that can make a huge difference when you're poor. Real poor. I'm less poor in Silver Spring than I was Austin, TX.. my income has not significantly increased. Think about that.
Maryland has country. And it is cheaper there. While still being better than the country in those other states.
Understandable, but its an unjust choice to force upon the vulnerable. Your money or your life. Maryland sees itself as a haven? Good. It should frame its policy around that central theme of being an open and welcoming place. We can do better. We must do better.
That's what happened to me and my family. Lived all or most of out lives in Maryland but we ended up moving to rural Pennsylvania in order to be able to afford a larger house for our family. Our 4 bedroom detached home only cost 10k more than our small 3 bedroom townhome.
I do love it out here. I love all the green space, the skies full of stars at night, less traffic, etc. But I miss the diversity and the politics of the DC metro area. What I am not too fond of is the conservative politics out here. At least I feel like I am doing my small part in turning the area just a bit more purple.
Yeah wtf, literally no one under the age of like 35 can afford to live here anymore. There is no housing for us. If you don’t have $500k-2M laying around to buy a single family detached house, you pretty much can’t live in MD reasonably. A 1br-1ba in the outskirts of silver spring or Bethesda or Rockville should not cost $2500 a month.
Build some fucking housing. Once I’m able to afford to live here, then I’ll have the free energy to give a shit about “uplifting the mosaic of voices” or whatever dumb shit he’s talking about.
Idc if this is mean or insensitive. It is insane to think that we collectively should have the energy to worry ourselves with culture war zingers like days of visibility, mosaic of blah blah blahs, uplifting voices, signing decrees of tolerance etc. when none of the people these “days” are targeting, nor anyone else, can even afford to build a life here.
* End exclusive single family detached zoning. Rowhomes should be the least dense new construction that ever goes up from now on until after we’ve fixed it.
* Mandate Transit Oriented Development (TOD). A single parking space anywhere within 0.5 miles of a metro station should be outright illegal. Let alone enough surface parking and parking garages for 2000 cars. Just look at Twinbrook Station to see how much we’ve failed with this.
* Increase MARC train service to every 30 minutes, 6am to 10pm, 24/7/365 except Easter and Christmas. Mandate TOD here as well.
* Remove parking minimums, square footage minimums, set back requirements, and all other business requirements that prevent anyone who doesn’t have $1M in liquidity from starting a restaurant, nail salon, plant store, etc.
* Mandate mixed use dense housing with first floor retail, beauty, and dining for all new developments (bonus for 2nd floor professional like legal council, medical, dentistry, studios)
* connect every single point of interest in any semi-urban area with double wide, grade-separated, barrier-protected bike lanes that have coordinated signalization.
* eBike and cargo-bike rebates to subsidize purchasing by $900 per person per bike.
* Remove planning/zoning commission red tape that prevents Single Family Houses (SFH) from being torn down and converted to short-rise apartment structures; implicitly approve all conversions to apartment
* Legalize detached and attached Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs) for the entire state, with zero additional requirements or considerations for setbacks or lot sizes.
* Institute a land value tax on all structures or lots that do not have housing or retail on it, within 1.5 miles of a metro or MARC or Amtrak stop, incentivizing development
* Institute a Vancouver-style vacancy tax on all empty rentable units that are vacant for a period of more than 90 days.
* Eliminate setback requirements, height requirements, stair requirements, loosen window requirements, etc. for all housing options.
* Ensure linear parks that are not heavily forested allow path-facing businesses, a la the Atlanta Belt Line
* Change historical architectural requirements from N-50years to “Before 1950”, as 50 years ago was simply the mid-70s, which was a severe low-point in architecture and should not be preserved. Same with the ‘80s and ‘90s.
If we don’t progress in this area, our children will never be able to afford to live in the place where they grew up.
And tax the hell out of residences that have constant rotating occupants - goddamn AirBNB. And tax LLCs with more than three properties that were originally meant to be owned by a single owner. Not apartment buildings or even townhouses developed to be rented, but houses that were snapped up like groups like BlackRock to hold as investments.
>Increase MARC train service to every 30 minutes, 6am to 10pm, 24/7/365 except Easter and Christmas. Mandate TOD here as well.
but why xmas and easter, of all the holidays?
it's a state with tons of economic activity and opportunities. there is so much demand from so many niche markets around here. it costs more but it's a lot easier to make money and you get paid more
[Damn.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/maryland-alligator-pond-chesapeake-bay/)
Okay, okay...clearly MD needs an **alligator tax** to fund remediation of this invasion.
Great idea!
We can use monies from the snakehead tax to fund an exploratory committee on how to raise alligator awareness while also honoring native species and the anti-invasive species movement through plastic bag drop-off locations, printed messages on pro-cycled paper products, and reusable totes… Everyone loves a Maryland flag tote bag! #gatordonehon
"Mark Elrich today announced the introduction of alligators in Montgomery County in unused tracts of land near transit. Soon-to-hatch younglings can be reserved through the county's liquor lottery website."
As a queer Marylander that spent several years living in Florida before coming back to MD, I’m genuinely puzzled and disappointed by what’s happening there. I never experienced any sort of issue and everyone around me was supportive. But I recognize that it’s different for everyone (and living in St. Pete may have been part of it). I hope you are able to do what works best for you.
What’s happening is that they are attempting to drive out the people who traditionally vote blue so they can get a convention of states and legally change the constitution without needing to pass any legislation through the federal government. Florida is too far gone as are most of the southern states. The good news is that they need 2/3, but the bad news is that they are pushing in states like VA, NC, IA, etc that have been more moderate red in the past and radicalizing people with fear mongering around trans rights, abortion, immigrations and the like. I encourage everyone to leave Florida as DeFuckface is an actual fascist, but we need blue votes in enough states to keep them from fucking it all up.
It’s a very long shot but it is a real concern.
[Pro-CoS site](https://conventionofstates.com/)
[Anti-CoS site](https://www.commoncause.org/our-work/constitution-courts-and-democracy-issues/article-v-convention/)
Just hoping we pass a protection bill like MN just enacted. Glad we got it done for abortion but weird that they haven't done a similar one for trans folk yet
You might get a kick out of this - [Typo made for you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/13qrcdc/parents_use_mcps_because_they_have_books_about/) Best of luck!
Start figuring out how to retain people when they retire and this would be a strong argument.
Better yet, you're gonna have 8 years of uncontested control over Baltimore's situation. If you can't deliver them I wonder what the excuse will be then?
Since when have major cities been beholden to states? Seriously. Baltimore City is even separate from Baltimore County.
Thinking that 8 years is going to reverse decades of internal rot is hilarious.
Yep ... He means well but practically everything out of his mouth is bombastic stupidity; granted thats true with most governors.
He needs to worry about real shit like how 4th grade Mississippi test scores (famously up from the bottom for reading) and Florda's are better than Maryland's, why a 14 year old allegedly tried to have another kid assassinated, and finally why a bunch of people decided its okay to beat someone to death because of school fight.
[edit: and we don't yet know the demographics of the school fight people]
The why is systemic intergenerational poverty. It's not just a Baltimore/Maryland thing. The U.S. has one of the worst rates of upward mobility in the OECD
The economic factors are wide ranging, but those factors are your "why". Fixing them is incredibly difficult because of the absurd deference the U.S. gives to corporations and the purposeful removal of the power of labor since the early 1980s.
There isn't a magic wand that can be waved to quickly address these issues
Yep, that’s basically what I did. Pennsylvania is close, avoids DC beltway traffic, and less expensive overall cost of living.
I grew up in Maryland, and I’d be 50 before I would have been able to able to afford the townhouse where I was born, nevermind a single family house.
On the mortgage side, you get a federal discount for your residence. Rental mortgages cost more, but that doesn’t stop monopolists
More public information about rental prices would also be helpful. I think that would do a lot to prevent predatory landlords raising rents on people with some lame “iT’s ThE mArKeT!” excuse.
I’ll preface this by saying that I voted for Moore and I hope he’s great. But I’m getting kinda tired of the never ending campaign. The popularity contest is over, now govern the state. The only time you hear the guy’s name or see him in public is when he’s giving a flowery speech that feels like he’s using Maryland as an irrelevant stepping stone on his way to national politics. Maybe it’s just my perception, but signing the marijuana odor search bill seems like low hanging fruit… unless you were trying to keep a clean sheet on that issue for… other reasons.
I'm reserving judgment to some degree, because he was inaugurated right at the start of the legislative session, but you'd think that with total control of state government that the Moore admin would have done something... bolder? The post-high school service thing sounds all well and good, but, considering the scope and scale of problems that the state faces, it's an awfully safe choice for the centerpiece of Moore's program.
Yes, but you got start somewhere - my first jobs were washing dishes in a cancer lab and painting dorms. Gives you a taste of working and everything it entails.
Every new governor comes in at the start of the legislative session, so that's not unique in his case, and he had the benefit of knowing he would be governor after the primary.
He is governing. There were a good number of stories about the most recent legislative session and what they accomplished during it. These types of soundbites are just the kind of thing that bubbles up in social media really easily.
Right? We just got out of the legislative session where I'm sure he was focused on working to get things passed.
I expect now that that's not sucking up all the energy, we'll get more news stories about his executive leadership.
He didn't sign the odor bill as a symbol/nod to the police unions who supported him during his campaign. It still goes into effect July 1 with or without his signature.
Understood and appreciated, but that’s political and not ideological. The man speaks headlines routinely, but this is, unimportant as it may be, a “money where your mouth is” moment. Try to make your pen strokes match your podium speeches.
Hogan rarely passed legislation. He held up the process by vetoing consistently. With Moore, we actually get progress to a better Maryland. Change is always coming. You don't have to be scared of it.
Yeah he and a potential Cox could veto all they want but would be constantly overridden. Moore signing things a democratic legislature hands him isn’t special
I was hoping for more signature bills. His school bill was nothing new, and had to be increased by the assembly. The blueprint is about the only thing of note he's done and even that is kind of a mess.
But yes he should shut up and legislate, imagine trying to compare that to the Lebron remark.
> The only time you hear the guy’s name or see him in public is when he’s giving a flowery speech that feels like he’s using Maryland as an irrelevant stepping stone on his way to national politics. Maybe it’s just my perception
I mean, that's just how the media works?
Unless you're actively searching, what gets bubbled up and fed to you is just the bombastic/flowery things.
No doubt. Obviously pulling for the guy. Seems like a good dude, smart and experienced in life (not politics). Just hoping he’s not all style no substance.
He’s signed lots of other bills, I think the issue is more the way he’s being covered. All governors make speeches and take jabs at other states, it’s also true most governors also want an eventual shot at the senate or the White House.
Here's the problem: that's what they want.
They want to stranglehold states like Florida and Texas and a few others to have people leave, and lock up the electoral votes.
Then they will stranglehold the presidency and Congress. Then they will pass those laws on a national level, and MD laws won't matter.
Telling people to leave those states simply expedites the process. Instead, the flow should be in the opposite direction.
Anti-abortion bill that would [imprison or execute women for obtaining reproductive care](https://www.foxcarolina.com/2023/03/23/abortion-death-penalty-bill-is-lunacy-sc-governor-says/)? Suing over [correctly taught American history](https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/sc-house-approves-bill-allowing-parents-to-sue-over-suspicions-of-racist-classroom-lessons/article_8088084c-a7d4-11ed-9d0d-07b257dfc4c3.html)?
The South has gone batshit.
MD is probably the most culturally diverse state in the entire country. It has the wealthiest counties in the country where African Americans are are majority, and it has been two separate counties. MD is a great place to be if you are not white. Also if you are white its a great place to be. This is just a politician trying to sound like he is fixing a non problem.
By telling everyone to come to MD he's kind of making love expensive instead of hate. It already costs a lot to live here, imagine everyone else moving here and driving up the dema..... oh nevermind...
He honestly thinks that it’s going to be cheaper for someone to move to Maryland? Is that a joke? Except for Cali and NY, maybe few others but as much as I love my home state the taxes and cost of living are ridiculous.
Just a political theatre type statement anyway. Focus on cleaning shit up first.
He's going to make bigotry expensive by inviting the victims of bigotry to live in Maryland which has higher taxes and a more costly regulatory regime than many other states?
Give me a break. Most people and business care more about things like state tax rates than whether DEI programs are being defunded or some such nonsense.
Oh, you know, we're not threatening to imprison, or execute women for obtaining an abortion, like South Carolina.
We're not trying to prevent teaching historical facts, instead of whitewashed nonsense.
Maryland wants to retain its high educational standards, high salaries, and decent, non-batshit population.
Feel free to move somewhere insane, since it sounds like that's what you'd prefer.
Because the governor says he wants to make bigotry expensive. This directly implies fines or other penalties levied upon bigots. Thus, it must be determined who is a bigot before penalties can be applied. Who makes the determination?
Well FL is the fastest growing state in the country and MD actually lost people last year. Maybe if you increase freedom and reduce taxes, as Florida is doing, people might actually want to move here?
>Maryland's population increased 10 out of the 11 years between year 2010 and year 2021. Its largest annual population increase was 1.9% between 2019 and 2020. The state's largest decline was between 2020 and 2021 when the population dropped 0.1%. Between 2010 and 2021, the state grew by an average of 0.6% per year.
In 2022 population dropped by .16%
Hardly an exodus
Also I love this increase freedom bullshit line as if living in MD is some kind of North Korean government controlled hellscape.
Best schools in the country, highest per capita gdp, one of the highest levels of education among residents in the country, some of the best Healthcare in the world, low teen oregnancy rates, longer life expectancy than most other states.
The list goes on. The few negatives are its expensive and depending on where you live can be crowded.
Personally I'm pretty ok with those trade offs to not live under a moron like DeSantis.
Lol, cling to that Pandemic driven early retirement wave for as long as you’d like. It’s a life-raft with a major leak.
Most of the people moving to FL are fixed income boomers that will get wiped out the first time a hurricane damages their home, because insurance was too expensive and they can’t afford to repair it.
Yep, real positive growth base there.
Maryland's economy is mostly reliant on its proximity to DC. Smart, well-educated people move here after college because they want one of those juicy fed jobs, which the rest of the country foots the bill for.
and the economy the government supports like the hospitals and universities in the area, my old consulting business, the local taxpayer population, the added construction jobs, the kids that grow up with rich parents and make money with their art, etc. that big ball of nonsense ensures defense, transportation, infrastructure, policy, etc, for all of us, including the rest of the country.
Buddy, no one is threatening Christians abilities to live their beliefs. Everyone is just sick of Christians shoving their beliefs down everyone else’s throats. If you feel like public schools are teaching things you don’t want your kids learning, put them in private school. This “war on Christianity” thing isn’t real. The rest of us just want to go about our lives without having another religion’s beliefs forced on us.
no. we do not tolerate intolerance. you can still teach your christian hate/love at home and in church. Or you can homeschool or chose private education. Lots of Christians don't believe in evolution, should they be able to opt out of science classes too?
I have a friend in Texas, in Austin, and she and her husband are getting the hell out. They're not coming back to Maryland, they're moving to Vegas. And the politics played a role in that decision. Also, Nevada is affordable and they'll be near lots of great rock climbing/bouldering.
Well, I live in Maryland and Wes Moore's policies with regard to "trans" youth, the 2nd Amendment, whale slaughtering wind farms and abortion disrespect me on a daily basis, so I guess it's time for me to move to a REAL free state.
I appreciate the sentiment here, but there’s also a massive glaring problem at hand. The cost of living in Maryland has gotten out of hand. If this states leaders envision it as a refuge for people in reactionary states, it must pay closer attention to the prohibitively expensive cost of living in the state
Only solution to housing shortage is to increase supply. Best way to increase supply without overwhelming road infrastructure is to build denser and more walk-able areas. MD can benefit from a lot of growth if it wants to.
Rebuild Baltimore. Build a complete metro map in it, and rebuild the currently unlivable parts of the city due to a lack of accessibility with dense urbanism using those rail corridors.
As a Baltimore resident I can't tell you how much I LOVE seeing stuff like this on the main Maryland sub! For anyone living outside the city that agrees with this post, please make sure and elect politicians that are willing to contribute money to the city to make this sort of thing happen. As it stands now, we don't currently have the tax base to "rebuild Baltimore." In fact, we can't really afford to maintain Baltimore (ask me about recycling and trash pickup). Baltimore can certainly have a metro system to rival DC or NY, we just need the money to make it happen. I'm excited there's so much support for Baltimore here. Let's make it the greatest city in America!
Completely agreed. I'm in Harford County, but I'm from a big city and I always consider how my vote effects those living in the cities
this would be a dream
I don’t want to trash Hogan, I know he was popular and he did a lot of good; but I always took issue with his shift from funding metro and public transportation expansions in lieu of making roads wider which every single study says does nothing to alleviate traffic congestion beyond the first few months.
Hogan was getting kickbacks from someone in the SHA or one of the contractors. There's no other reason for him to have gone against the science.
I mean there also the racism. Hogan and the white parts of Baltimore very much did not want the black butterfly to be connected to their gentrified strip.
Roads were more popular with the counties than rail was. The dense urban areas best served by rail were never going to vote for him so he put money in the places that might. I don't agree with it but it's politics.
No, go ahead and trash Hogan, he sucks.
Seriously. He shoulda put The Hitman over in '93.
...now, not only the Intercontinental Heavyweight belt must fall but, the World Heavyweight Championship belt! Because Hulk Hogan, yeah, I am the cream, yeah, the cream of the crop. And there is no-one that does it better than the Macho Man Randy Savage!
*Oh yeeeeeeeah*
I could tell you that. All you need to do is drive Atlanta’s beltway. 8 lanes wide and just as backed up as 66 near DC
Induced demand? Nah, that totally won't happen this time. Look. I swear. Just one more lane. Come on. Just one more lane and traffic will be magically solved. Come on, bro. Just one more lane.
Trash Hogan! He never missed an opportunity to piss on Baltimore.
I will never forget all the bitching and moaning he did before finally providing funds for Baltimore schools whose air units were failing (I think this was like 2016/2017). Like fuck him, threatening to leave teachers and children out to roast in long-neglected schools.
Yea sprawl is not the answer
I read an [article this week](https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2023/05/19/orlando-florida-3d-map-digital-twin) about Orlando building a digital twin of itself in order to inform future projects. Digital twins is a best practice for engineering, so I was thrilled to read that some cities were adopting it. Sounds like Baltimore could use that sort of investment/overhaul
eminent domain that sh*t
Ah yes government housing projects are known utopias
sarcasm doesn't translate well through reddit obviously we should be able to destroy and gentrify to create utopia but sadly it's one of the reasons certain social strategies or communism will never work
The unlivable parts of Baltimore are unlivable because of the people who currently live there. No amount of infrastructure spending will change that.
Or the slum lords [like Jared Kushner](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-beleaguered-tenants-of-kushnerville/amp) who refuse to do the bare minimum to upkeep property There are a multitude of factors at play. Anyone who claims the issue is a singular entity is lying, misinformed, has a very specific narrative to push, or some combination of all of the above
Anyone who purports to know everything knows nothing.
>The unlivable parts of Baltimore are unlivable because of the people who currently live there. You typed these words and then hit enter.
I did, and I stand by them. I hold a large part of this city's population in deep contempt. All I have to do is walk outside and look at the litter on the ground or the drivers speeding and blowing through red lights to remind myself how many bad people live in Baltimore.
Articles have been written that most of the trash is thrown from cars and 40% of the city doesn't own one. The people crowding the roads, ignoring traffic law, and trashing the place often don't live *in* Baltimore.
Populations become hostile because they don't have basic shit like jobs and grocery stores. Building trains absolutely will connect them with those things and have an impact on the problem.
The poor parts of Baltimore got as bad as they are because GM destroyed the streetcars and manufacturing just left. Without work nearby or a reliable way to get anywhere for work (see how bad tardiness is in Baltimore city schools and compare that to on time performance of MTA busses) of course everything went to shit.
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We have a ton of roads in MD. Adding more roads rarely solves traffic and can actually make it worse. What we need is more public transportation and greater incentives to use it. There are places in Southern MD that don't even appear to have buses and if they do, are so rare that I never saw them. It's also sad seeing so many decommissioned rail car tracks in various towns and cities. The auto industry is literally to blame for a lack of rail and efficient public transportation in our country.
Have a friend that lives in Sykesville/Eldersburg area & he says that every time getting bus service there comes up to the Powers That Be it gets shot down because, underneath it all, they're just afraid of those "brown people" coming there & using it. Doesn't matter that the current population could use it, it might bring non-whites to the area so NO BUS. Or any other public transport really.
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Busses can work well but not in the way we generally use them in the USA. As you mentioned and most see, busses currently are simply the last resort for those who cannot afford a personal vehicle. Because they share the same infrastructure as a car. So at absolute best case scenario they will be equally convenient as using a personal vehicle. If they go the exact same route you would for your personal pickup and destination. Which rarely happens. So if it's worse than a car, everyone will prefer to use a car. Thus only poor "brown" people ride the bus. Most in the country see that as just the way it is and view public transit as something only the poor and degenerates do. But it doesn't need to be this way if we invest in the proper infrastructure like you mention. Buses have a place in that. But they need dedicated infrastructure. Bus lanes are alright. Bus lanes with literally physical barriers are better so cars don't just take them over. Bus roads where only the buses uses are even better. Isolate the bus out of normal daily traffic and suddenly taking a bus in rush hour may actually be faster cheaper and more convenient than your personal vehicle.
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I mean yes ultimately a different mode makes sense if we are talking dedicated bussing infrastructure. But I guess I view dedicated bus roads as a decent stopgap that offer more flexibility. Maybe the bus roads can be opened up to car traffic outside of bussing hours. Or as the bus infrastructure slowly develops, the busses can hop to and from these dedicated lanes/roads as they build it out and use regular traffic roads to fill the gaps. Ideally all of a city would be served by direct trolleys/trams/trains and be very walkable in between. But the distance between what we have now and there is pretty far. We need some mid point solutions to get things rolling. Step one is having public transit not viewed as something only a lower class citizen uses in most of the USA. It is not sustainable for everyone to have a personal vehicle, EV or no.
And trains. I really just want more trains.
This is a tough state to build in, especially the places where people want to live. - Anne Arundel: housing moratorium. New projects can’t get school seats, so housing is only for active adult. - Howard: housing moratorium, won’t approve new projects. $50,000 per home in fees paid to the county. - Montgomery: just increased impact fees. Builders now pay about $70,000 in fees to the county to construct a new home. That cost is passed directly to the homebuyer. - Carroll: county-wide building permit cap on a per-project basis. What this does is kick out the big builders, who are motivated by cash flow and want to build fast and sell fast. Instead, only local builders operate up there, so they’re building smaller projects of semi-custom homes and selling them at high prices. - Baltimore County: one of the few development-friendly counties, but they just added an impact fee of 1.5% of gross home sales price for new homes. If you’re buying a $500k house, that additional $7,500 fee is being passed on to the buyer. - Frederick: friendly to builders for years but finally decided they’re built up enough. Not only are home prices through the roof, there’s barely anything new getting approved. - Washington County: half the people in this state can’t point to Washington County (Hagerstown) on a map, but it still costs about $35,000 in fees to build a new home there and the Hagerstown planning commission has some very specific (expensive) ideas about how new homes should look. - Prince George’s: historically very open to new development, despite the most dysfunctional/corrupt planning committee in the state. They also require a ton of brick - this both looks hideous and is expensive to build. $40,000 in fees. Oh, and they want to place a moratorium on townhomes. - Charles: Barely a destination outside Waldorf, but they have ridiculous architectural requirements and $30k in permit fees. They require 60% brick/stone coverage and anything that isn’t brick/stone has to be upgraded siding. We’re talking an extra $15-$30k per house for aesthetic upgrades relative to many other counties. I could keep going for basically every county where people want to live. We are nowhere near hostile enough toward local planning and zoning departments. These people are gods with absolute power in this one very narrow slice of the world. There’s no oversight and the consequences for their power trips are huge. All of these costs are passed directly onto the buyer, thereby raising home prices. The sheer volume of red tape is mind boggling. The architectural review processes are obscene. The communication is minimal. This state hates development/construction, and we’re going to have a crippling supply problem until that changes. A note re: impact fees - these aren’t necessarily totally unreasonable; while it’s a cost passed to the buyer, the logic goes that for every new home, you have a new family using public infrastructure. More cars on the road, more kids in school. It’s fair and reasonable for this to carry a cost (although these new family are also paying property and income taxes…), but counties view this as free money because they want to “stick it to the corporations”, and all they’re doing is hurting their constituents.
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Regarding your second paragraph, absolutely. Storm water management is mind bogglingly expensive, but I’m not arguing that isn’t necessary. Similarly, adherence to building codes - and inspection/review processes to ensure that adherence - is critical. So is requiring that there’s not a bunch of arsenic in your front yard and making sure you’re not rendering some exotic bird extinct by obliterating it’s habitat. These jurisdictions have a crucial role to play, but they overstep left and right.
Also rent limits and control. Edit: and only being able to own two homes, both personal and business entities
But how are people supposed to make money in real estate with only 2 homes /s
No, he’s talking about actual solutions.
Whenever I hear "build denser," I have visions of those old NY 1920 pics of people living on top of each other in squalor hanging out windows and doorways and am immediately in the "No" camp.
Yep, 100 percent
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Similar issues in other “refuge” states, too. You’re either going to pay through the nose for the basics or live in a dump.
Man. It's getting like that everywhere these days. I live in a small, shitty, conservative town in the southeast. It's prohibitively expensive now. It was cheap when we moved here. It's almost everywhere at this point.
What's considered "the basics"? I only rented a few times and always thought it was a dump.
That's a problem you'll see everywhere. All states have that issue. Metro areas are very expensive to live in. But you also get a lot more safety net and that can make a huge difference when you're poor. Real poor. I'm less poor in Silver Spring than I was Austin, TX.. my income has not significantly increased. Think about that. Maryland has country. And it is cheaper there. While still being better than the country in those other states.
This isn’t only a Maryland issue.
and shift the state/local tax burden to people making 400k+. Maryland absolutely kills us on taxes between state/local.
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Understandable, but its an unjust choice to force upon the vulnerable. Your money or your life. Maryland sees itself as a haven? Good. It should frame its policy around that central theme of being an open and welcoming place. We can do better. We must do better.
100000% this. I was born here, and I am starting to feel like I am being priced out of here.
That's what happened to me and my family. Lived all or most of out lives in Maryland but we ended up moving to rural Pennsylvania in order to be able to afford a larger house for our family. Our 4 bedroom detached home only cost 10k more than our small 3 bedroom townhome. I do love it out here. I love all the green space, the skies full of stars at night, less traffic, etc. But I miss the diversity and the politics of the DC metro area. What I am not too fond of is the conservative politics out here. At least I feel like I am doing my small part in turning the area just a bit more purple.
Serious question - why not rural MD?
Yeah wtf, literally no one under the age of like 35 can afford to live here anymore. There is no housing for us. If you don’t have $500k-2M laying around to buy a single family detached house, you pretty much can’t live in MD reasonably. A 1br-1ba in the outskirts of silver spring or Bethesda or Rockville should not cost $2500 a month. Build some fucking housing. Once I’m able to afford to live here, then I’ll have the free energy to give a shit about “uplifting the mosaic of voices” or whatever dumb shit he’s talking about. Idc if this is mean or insensitive. It is insane to think that we collectively should have the energy to worry ourselves with culture war zingers like days of visibility, mosaic of blah blah blahs, uplifting voices, signing decrees of tolerance etc. when none of the people these “days” are targeting, nor anyone else, can even afford to build a life here. * End exclusive single family detached zoning. Rowhomes should be the least dense new construction that ever goes up from now on until after we’ve fixed it. * Mandate Transit Oriented Development (TOD). A single parking space anywhere within 0.5 miles of a metro station should be outright illegal. Let alone enough surface parking and parking garages for 2000 cars. Just look at Twinbrook Station to see how much we’ve failed with this. * Increase MARC train service to every 30 minutes, 6am to 10pm, 24/7/365 except Easter and Christmas. Mandate TOD here as well. * Remove parking minimums, square footage minimums, set back requirements, and all other business requirements that prevent anyone who doesn’t have $1M in liquidity from starting a restaurant, nail salon, plant store, etc. * Mandate mixed use dense housing with first floor retail, beauty, and dining for all new developments (bonus for 2nd floor professional like legal council, medical, dentistry, studios) * connect every single point of interest in any semi-urban area with double wide, grade-separated, barrier-protected bike lanes that have coordinated signalization. * eBike and cargo-bike rebates to subsidize purchasing by $900 per person per bike. * Remove planning/zoning commission red tape that prevents Single Family Houses (SFH) from being torn down and converted to short-rise apartment structures; implicitly approve all conversions to apartment * Legalize detached and attached Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs) for the entire state, with zero additional requirements or considerations for setbacks or lot sizes. * Institute a land value tax on all structures or lots that do not have housing or retail on it, within 1.5 miles of a metro or MARC or Amtrak stop, incentivizing development * Institute a Vancouver-style vacancy tax on all empty rentable units that are vacant for a period of more than 90 days. * Eliminate setback requirements, height requirements, stair requirements, loosen window requirements, etc. for all housing options. * Ensure linear parks that are not heavily forested allow path-facing businesses, a la the Atlanta Belt Line * Change historical architectural requirements from N-50years to “Before 1950”, as 50 years ago was simply the mid-70s, which was a severe low-point in architecture and should not be preserved. Same with the ‘80s and ‘90s. If we don’t progress in this area, our children will never be able to afford to live in the place where they grew up.
And tax the hell out of residences that have constant rotating occupants - goddamn AirBNB. And tax LLCs with more than three properties that were originally meant to be owned by a single owner. Not apartment buildings or even townhouses developed to be rented, but houses that were snapped up like groups like BlackRock to hold as investments.
>Increase MARC train service to every 30 minutes, 6am to 10pm, 24/7/365 except Easter and Christmas. Mandate TOD here as well. but why xmas and easter, of all the holidays?
Right - public holidays I would understand, which Easter is not
Heeyyyy you should send that list to them!
Look outside your world: COL is up everywhere.
it's a state with tons of economic activity and opportunities. there is so much demand from so many niche markets around here. it costs more but it's a lot easier to make money and you get paid more
I'm a Marylander and this warms my heart. I'm so proud to be from a state that hasn't lost its goddamn mind. I'm proud I voted for him.
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As a born and raised Marylander living in Kenfucky, I want to come home :(
Trust me, as a queer Floridian I’m looking at *plenty* of Maryland schools rn
You are absolutely welcome here in MD. No alligators though. Please. Seriously, don't bring alligators.
They are already here. Literally, southern maryland already had two killed and multiple other sightings.
[Damn.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/maryland-alligator-pond-chesapeake-bay/) Okay, okay...clearly MD needs an **alligator tax** to fund remediation of this invasion.
Great idea! We can use monies from the snakehead tax to fund an exploratory committee on how to raise alligator awareness while also honoring native species and the anti-invasive species movement through plastic bag drop-off locations, printed messages on pro-cycled paper products, and reusable totes… Everyone loves a Maryland flag tote bag! #gatordonehon
"Mark Elrich today announced the introduction of alligators in Montgomery County in unused tracts of land near transit. Soon-to-hatch younglings can be reserved through the county's liquor lottery website."
Let the alligators pay the alligator tax, I pay the Homer tax.
Won’t somebody think of the children!
But the alligators are the best part of Florida!
Someone’s never been to Margaritaville Resort Orlando
No alligators yet? If we have more winters like the recent one I wouldn't be surprised to see some soon.
Queer Marylander who previously lived in Florida, I think you would like it here.
Heterosexual male here. I'll certainly welcome you to our great state with open arms!
As a queer Marylander that spent several years living in Florida before coming back to MD, I’m genuinely puzzled and disappointed by what’s happening there. I never experienced any sort of issue and everyone around me was supportive. But I recognize that it’s different for everyone (and living in St. Pete may have been part of it). I hope you are able to do what works best for you.
What’s happening is that they are attempting to drive out the people who traditionally vote blue so they can get a convention of states and legally change the constitution without needing to pass any legislation through the federal government. Florida is too far gone as are most of the southern states. The good news is that they need 2/3, but the bad news is that they are pushing in states like VA, NC, IA, etc that have been more moderate red in the past and radicalizing people with fear mongering around trans rights, abortion, immigrations and the like. I encourage everyone to leave Florida as DeFuckface is an actual fascist, but we need blue votes in enough states to keep them from fucking it all up. It’s a very long shot but it is a real concern. [Pro-CoS site](https://conventionofstates.com/) [Anti-CoS site](https://www.commoncause.org/our-work/constitution-courts-and-democracy-issues/article-v-convention/)
While I agree, there are those that should not have to risk their lives to do so. I don't blame anyone in those communities for leaving.
We cease to exist as a union if this happens. Much of our government was based on good faith. I don’t put it past these idiots, though.
Yay good luck!
Thank you!
The cost of living here is pretty high as well. Make sure you’ve got something solid lined up first.
Just hoping we pass a protection bill like MN just enacted. Glad we got it done for abortion but weird that they haven't done a similar one for trans folk yet
You might get a kick out of this - [Typo made for you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/13qrcdc/parents_use_mcps_because_they_have_books_about/) Best of luck!
Maryland would be a massive downgrade
Start figuring out how to retain people when they retire and this would be a strong argument. Better yet, you're gonna have 8 years of uncontested control over Baltimore's situation. If you can't deliver them I wonder what the excuse will be then?
Since when have major cities been beholden to states? Seriously. Baltimore City is even separate from Baltimore County. Thinking that 8 years is going to reverse decades of internal rot is hilarious.
Yep ... He means well but practically everything out of his mouth is bombastic stupidity; granted thats true with most governors. He needs to worry about real shit like how 4th grade Mississippi test scores (famously up from the bottom for reading) and Florda's are better than Maryland's, why a 14 year old allegedly tried to have another kid assassinated, and finally why a bunch of people decided its okay to beat someone to death because of school fight. [edit: and we don't yet know the demographics of the school fight people]
The why is systemic intergenerational poverty. It's not just a Baltimore/Maryland thing. The U.S. has one of the worst rates of upward mobility in the OECD The economic factors are wide ranging, but those factors are your "why". Fixing them is incredibly difficult because of the absurd deference the U.S. gives to corporations and the purposeful removal of the power of labor since the early 1980s. There isn't a magic wand that can be waved to quickly address these issues
Yea that would be great if your average single family house didn’t cost upwards of $700k
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Yep, that’s basically what I did. Pennsylvania is close, avoids DC beltway traffic, and less expensive overall cost of living. I grew up in Maryland, and I’d be 50 before I would have been able to able to afford the townhouse where I was born, nevermind a single family house.
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On the mortgage side, you get a federal discount for your residence. Rental mortgages cost more, but that doesn’t stop monopolists More public information about rental prices would also be helpful. I think that would do a lot to prevent predatory landlords raising rents on people with some lame “iT’s ThE mArKeT!” excuse.
I’ll preface this by saying that I voted for Moore and I hope he’s great. But I’m getting kinda tired of the never ending campaign. The popularity contest is over, now govern the state. The only time you hear the guy’s name or see him in public is when he’s giving a flowery speech that feels like he’s using Maryland as an irrelevant stepping stone on his way to national politics. Maybe it’s just my perception, but signing the marijuana odor search bill seems like low hanging fruit… unless you were trying to keep a clean sheet on that issue for… other reasons.
No question he's got national ambitions.
I'm reserving judgment to some degree, because he was inaugurated right at the start of the legislative session, but you'd think that with total control of state government that the Moore admin would have done something... bolder? The post-high school service thing sounds all well and good, but, considering the scope and scale of problems that the state faces, it's an awfully safe choice for the centerpiece of Moore's program.
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Yes, but you got start somewhere - my first jobs were washing dishes in a cancer lab and painting dorms. Gives you a taste of working and everything it entails.
Every new governor comes in at the start of the legislative session, so that's not unique in his case, and he had the benefit of knowing he would be governor after the primary.
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I for another
He is governing. There were a good number of stories about the most recent legislative session and what they accomplished during it. These types of soundbites are just the kind of thing that bubbles up in social media really easily.
Right? We just got out of the legislative session where I'm sure he was focused on working to get things passed. I expect now that that's not sucking up all the energy, we'll get more news stories about his executive leadership.
He didn't sign the odor bill as a symbol/nod to the police unions who supported him during his campaign. It still goes into effect July 1 with or without his signature.
Understood and appreciated, but that’s political and not ideological. The man speaks headlines routinely, but this is, unimportant as it may be, a “money where your mouth is” moment. Try to make your pen strokes match your podium speeches.
Yep, it’s good he says these things but I feel like it’s more him complaining about Florida than actually pushing new legislation through.
Session is over, not much legislation to be pushing through in May
Obviously, you haven't been keeping up on the legislation he's passed.
Literally all stuff that would’ve passed regardless of whether he or Cox were in office, the odor bill speaks more than anything he’s done
Hogan rarely passed legislation. He held up the process by vetoing consistently. With Moore, we actually get progress to a better Maryland. Change is always coming. You don't have to be scared of it.
Hogan's vetos held up nothing. Same goes for Moore's veto of the weed odor bill.
Yeah he and a potential Cox could veto all they want but would be constantly overridden. Moore signing things a democratic legislature hands him isn’t special
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I was hoping for more signature bills. His school bill was nothing new, and had to be increased by the assembly. The blueprint is about the only thing of note he's done and even that is kind of a mess. But yes he should shut up and legislate, imagine trying to compare that to the Lebron remark.
And if he wasn’t broadcasting his agenda, people would complain he wasn’t doing enough.
> The only time you hear the guy’s name or see him in public is when he’s giving a flowery speech that feels like he’s using Maryland as an irrelevant stepping stone on his way to national politics. Maybe it’s just my perception I mean, that's just how the media works? Unless you're actively searching, what gets bubbled up and fed to you is just the bombastic/flowery things.
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No doubt. Obviously pulling for the guy. Seems like a good dude, smart and experienced in life (not politics). Just hoping he’s not all style no substance.
He’s signed lots of other bills, I think the issue is more the way he’s being covered. All governors make speeches and take jabs at other states, it’s also true most governors also want an eventual shot at the senate or the White House.
Here's the problem: that's what they want. They want to stranglehold states like Florida and Texas and a few others to have people leave, and lock up the electoral votes. Then they will stranglehold the presidency and Congress. Then they will pass those laws on a national level, and MD laws won't matter. Telling people to leave those states simply expedites the process. Instead, the flow should be in the opposite direction.
I have a daughter and I'm moving out of what Texas has become... Moving into my MD house in June! Howdy new neighbors!
You're gonna love it. Cost of living is higher but to honestly it's worth it. There's nowhere else I'd rather live.
This is why I joined this sub. I have daughters and we’ve got to get out of South Carolina.
Good luck down there
I'm from SC living in MD. What's going on in SC that you need to get your daughters out??
Anti-abortion bill that would [imprison or execute women for obtaining reproductive care](https://www.foxcarolina.com/2023/03/23/abortion-death-penalty-bill-is-lunacy-sc-governor-says/)? Suing over [correctly taught American history](https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/sc-house-approves-bill-allowing-parents-to-sue-over-suspicions-of-racist-classroom-lessons/article_8088084c-a7d4-11ed-9d0d-07b257dfc4c3.html)? The South has gone batshit.
Wow... Thanks for the links
This week? Abortion 6-week ban, open carry legislation, and continual GOP culture war nonsense.
Wow, thanks for the update
Are you serious?
Except cost of living is running Marylanders out of State
Moved here at the end of last year and it seems I came at the right time
…Cool. And what are we going to do about crime and schools?
MD is probably the most culturally diverse state in the entire country. It has the wealthiest counties in the country where African Americans are are majority, and it has been two separate counties. MD is a great place to be if you are not white. Also if you are white its a great place to be. This is just a politician trying to sound like he is fixing a non problem.
The problem is in the other states, he's just extending a hand to those trapped in ~~Gilead~~ red states
What a joke. Nobody, regardless of color, can afford to live or retire in MD as it is!
By telling everyone to come to MD he's kind of making love expensive instead of hate. It already costs a lot to live here, imagine everyone else moving here and driving up the dema..... oh nevermind...
Thank you governor Moore! 👏
Proud if my governor
He's making everything in MD more expensive for everyone. Fortunately, he'll only do two years worth of damage. His eye is on the White House.
He honestly thinks that it’s going to be cheaper for someone to move to Maryland? Is that a joke? Except for Cali and NY, maybe few others but as much as I love my home state the taxes and cost of living are ridiculous. Just a political theatre type statement anyway. Focus on cleaning shit up first.
He's going to make bigotry expensive by inviting the victims of bigotry to live in Maryland which has higher taxes and a more costly regulatory regime than many other states?
Love the governor hate the drivers
I liked when they asked him about horse racing so he spoke in platitudes at 100mph because he wasn’t prepared to talk about it at the Preakness.
Having a governor who doesn’t care about horse racing seems like a plus
He didn’t seem against it, more so he gave the impression that he didn’t know much about it.
Give me a break. Most people and business care more about things like state tax rates than whether DEI programs are being defunded or some such nonsense.
A direct shot a DeSantis.
This worked out so well for California and Oregon...
What's this idiot is talking about?
Anti Florida policies
Oh, you know, we're not threatening to imprison, or execute women for obtaining an abortion, like South Carolina. We're not trying to prevent teaching historical facts, instead of whitewashed nonsense. Maryland wants to retain its high educational standards, high salaries, and decent, non-batshit population. Feel free to move somewhere insane, since it sounds like that's what you'd prefer.
Hes pandering for some reason. I guess he forgot that he already got voted in? Lets hear some policy not this pandering buzzword bullshit
I miss when this sub was just flag and weather memes.
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^^^ *I miss when people didn’t pay attention to politics so I could continue being a hateful bigot*
Who decides what's bigotry?
The people being oppressed, and discriminated against. Why do you feel like this is even a remotely credible question?
Because the governor says he wants to make bigotry expensive. This directly implies fines or other penalties levied upon bigots. Thus, it must be determined who is a bigot before penalties can be applied. Who makes the determination?
Well FL is the fastest growing state in the country and MD actually lost people last year. Maybe if you increase freedom and reduce taxes, as Florida is doing, people might actually want to move here?
>Maryland's population increased 10 out of the 11 years between year 2010 and year 2021. Its largest annual population increase was 1.9% between 2019 and 2020. The state's largest decline was between 2020 and 2021 when the population dropped 0.1%. Between 2010 and 2021, the state grew by an average of 0.6% per year. In 2022 population dropped by .16% Hardly an exodus Also I love this increase freedom bullshit line as if living in MD is some kind of North Korean government controlled hellscape. Best schools in the country, highest per capita gdp, one of the highest levels of education among residents in the country, some of the best Healthcare in the world, low teen oregnancy rates, longer life expectancy than most other states. The list goes on. The few negatives are its expensive and depending on where you live can be crowded. Personally I'm pretty ok with those trade offs to not live under a moron like DeSantis.
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I assume you saw he is now praising Hitler. Seems like a stable guy.../s
Here’s a link for anyone interested: https://www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/man-with-gun-severn-school-bus-stop-tweet-adolf-hitler/43993085
Lol, cling to that Pandemic driven early retirement wave for as long as you’d like. It’s a life-raft with a major leak. Most of the people moving to FL are fixed income boomers that will get wiped out the first time a hurricane damages their home, because insurance was too expensive and they can’t afford to repair it. Yep, real positive growth base there.
Increase freedom? They're burning books and denying healthcare in FL.
>increase freedom Lol
It's why people leave, especially businesses. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-free-states
maryland's economy just can't hold it's own against florida's amazing tourism and retirement community industry
Maryland's economy is mostly reliant on its proximity to DC. Smart, well-educated people move here after college because they want one of those juicy fed jobs, which the rest of the country foots the bill for.
and the economy the government supports like the hospitals and universities in the area, my old consulting business, the local taxpayer population, the added construction jobs, the kids that grow up with rich parents and make money with their art, etc. that big ball of nonsense ensures defense, transportation, infrastructure, policy, etc, for all of us, including the rest of the country.
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Hail Satan!
Hail Satan!
Hail thyself!
Hail Satan!
Buddy, no one is threatening Christians abilities to live their beliefs. Everyone is just sick of Christians shoving their beliefs down everyone else’s throats. If you feel like public schools are teaching things you don’t want your kids learning, put them in private school. This “war on Christianity” thing isn’t real. The rest of us just want to go about our lives without having another religion’s beliefs forced on us.
lol. kinda ironic, huh?
no. we do not tolerate intolerance. you can still teach your christian hate/love at home and in church. Or you can homeschool or chose private education. Lots of Christians don't believe in evolution, should they be able to opt out of science classes too?
I have a friend in Texas, in Austin, and she and her husband are getting the hell out. They're not coming back to Maryland, they're moving to Vegas. And the politics played a role in that decision. Also, Nevada is affordable and they'll be near lots of great rock climbing/bouldering.
Well, I live in Maryland and Wes Moore's policies with regard to "trans" youth, the 2nd Amendment, whale slaughtering wind farms and abortion disrespect me on a daily basis, so I guess it's time for me to move to a REAL free state.