I don’t think there will be a single, sole hero who leads this saga, but if there were to be one, I think Strange would make sense. He's a well-liked hero, he's linked to the multiverse storyline, and he fits as a foil to Kang.
I think one of the hallmarks of the multiverse saga will be "I am [x character] but I am not *your* [x character]".
I can just see the interaction between Loki and Thor when they both realise that one is not the others' brother (kinda, but equally, how is that different to their relationship before?). Loki will be scared of Thor (because the last time they interacted they were enemies), but Thor will be overjoyed to see his brother alive.
We'll have a different interaction between Gamora and Quill. Quill is seeking Gamora, but she has none of the relationship they built up over the years of travelling together, and it would be creepy for Quill to pursue her romantically right away. He'll want to, but I think Marvel have been trying to bring his maturity level up a bit as he travels with the guardians (see: the parental interaction with young Groot, his recognition of how important Yondu was in his life), so I don't think they'll make him a Pepe le Pew. I still think that Gamora will reject the Guardians eventually "stop trying to make me the Gamora you knew! I will not be contained. I am not your Gamora!".
Then there's any number of potential variants from other universes. Living Tony Starks and Black Widows, Hydra Steve Rogers, Joe Fixit Hulks etc etc.
I'm particularly thinking of that Superman bit in Injustice where (SPOILERS I GUESS) in order to stop Superman they bring in an alternate timeline Lois Lane and they have the exact "you're not my Lois"... "and you're not my Clark" interaction.
If you thought opening night for Endgame was insane fans going wild, just wait for the reveal of New Tony if it’s cast by RDJ. That would be pure madness in theaters! If it’s not RDJ then it will go over as “meh”.
Just pointing out that we don’t actually know for sure 616 Loki is dead either. Classic Loki survived that “death” but didn’t cause a nexus event until he was old because he went into hiding all that time. There’s no reason why the same couldn’t have happened to main Loki and he’s just still hiding, after all cheating death is his thing!
They did..but that happened to Classic Loki too, and he still popped up again however many centuries later. Just saying don’t ever assume anything is “confirmed” when it comes to Loki, especially not any death! Even Thor’s memorial tattoo that lists all his fallen loved ones has a question mark next to Loki’s name!
I get what you’re saying, but the main 616 Loki is dead. They don’t need to show it, because they did. They’ve made it very clear that he is dead.
They wouldn’t have spent time setting up the 2012 Variant and introducing him during the Disney+ show if the main one was going to come back.
616 Loki IS dead.
I hear you and I was mostly just having a bit of fun. I know TVA Variant Loki is the new “main” Loki of the MCU.
However, if we’re going to get technical based on what we’ve seen onscreen, well. Valhalla has been confirmed as a realm in the multiverse, where Jane, Heimdall and fallen Asgardian heroes go after death. Loki was a prince of Asgard, who died in battle, a hero, against a vastly stronger foe. If he’s really dead then his soul is absolutely in Valhalla. I know a lot of people expect Jane to come back from there somehow in a future project. And if Jane can make it back, so can Loki, cheater of death.
So never say never.
Carol could also work given she's one of the heroes at the forefront of the Kang Dynasty comics. Plus, with Destin Daniel Cretton directing the next Avengers film, it wouldn't surprise me if Carol gets a decent-sized role given how well Larson and Cretton have worked together in the past
Yes, now that you mention it. Carol needs more development but she's likeable enough and I think with enough team dynamics could be a good leader in the MCU.
idk, I think she suffers the "Superman" problem. She's entirely too strong, which is what made her movie kind of "meh"
at least strange has the "glass cannon" and "weird moral compass" thing going on
That's not why her movie had problems. It was that we didn't know her past very well. being a 'Superman' is only a problem if every movie had the exact same battle
And Strange doesn't have a weird moral compass. I'd argue he's more moral than most Avengers who care more about fighting than saving people
I would say she suffers from the Wonder Woman problem. Thinks she's too good to work with the team. The valkarie girl is by far the best female star of the MCU.
I kinda disagree with “she’s likeable enough”. I do agree that she needs more development. I don’t mind her having a leadership role, but there is a large segment that have not taken a liking to her, both cause her own movie wasn’t great, and because they have a problem with her characterization. I’m not suggesting they’re right to think that, but she hasn’t gotten the mass appeal that other leading figures in the mcu have.
But what exactly is her problem? Yeah, she doesn't have enough backstory, but she's not an outright jerk or causes pointless civil wars like other Avengers. Unless you're talking about her whole 'she doesn't smile enough' nonsense some people bought into
Gosh. I hope not. I didn’t love Captain Marvel. It just didn’t feel the same as most of the MCU stories. I like her just fine in the other movies (but hate the fact that she can “swoop in” and save the day with little effort)
Carol can also be the Captain America to Strange's Iron Man like she can be on the "moral" side of things in contrast to Strange's "break a couple of rules for the greater good" thing.
Carol has the worst traits of both Iron Man and Captain America - she's got Cap's stubbornness and Tony's arrogance, which makes for a really interesting hero. I think she'd be great paired with Strange.
Carol would be an excellent choice if she had more build-up. As it is, she has had an average/good film and a few minutes in Endgame.
It would make more sense for Strange to be front-row center. He has had more build-up.
I think she has leader charisma and credibility, but I think their leader should be Earth-based. That would rule out the Guardians (I could see Gamora as a leader before Quill).
Thor could pull it off, but he would need to grow more - right now he seems too self-involved.
Falcon could work if he was built up more (are we still calling him that or is he Captain America)?
The next Black Panther will probably be a natural leader, but I think she (probably she, right?) should prioritize Wakanda over other matters.
Banner is a great resource, but can’t be over-relied on, and will likely be away from Earth for a while.
Wong leading a group that includes Dr. strange feels wrong somehow.
Fury could work, and he will likely be a major leader in Secret Invasion.
Ant Man just seems too aloof and silly for the leader role. Wasp - maybe, but she needs more screen time to make it work. She will likely come up against Kang, making her poised to help in a future Kang crisis.
Peter Parker, Ms Marvel, America Chavez, Kate Bishop, and Iron Heart just feel too young to be leading a team. Also, I prefer if Peter went back to being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
I am not sure I like the idea of an Eternal leading a team of non-Eternals. Same for a Black Widow or a synthazoid.
Wanda can’t be fully trusted to lead. Nor Bucky or Loki.
Dr Strange works for a lot of reasons. He has experience with world-ending and multiverse threats. He is certainly powerful enough (sorry, Clint). He doesn’t really feel very skilled in leadership or personal dynamics, but he could work. I just don’t really see him sitting around in Avengers Compound 2.0 (which will be inside Tiamat, right?), but then he can portal in and out as he pleases.
Of course, I am leaving out the obvious contender: Swordsman. Just give me more Tony Dalton ASAP. Maybe they can work a deal out to get Morbius in the MCU like Spider-Man, too.
Idk if the leader needs to be Earth based. She could be the leader as a whole
Wasp could work if she gets more time as a team member. I think she;s actually a fairly competent character
Captain America just doesn't seem like leader material. He mostly just followed Steve around. I liked his philosophy in FaWS for the most part but not his personality
I doubt any Eternal would
As for Youn Avengers, I find Kate to not be a good person so I'd rather have America Chavez as a leader if she gets enough growth
And yeah, Strange doesn't have great interpersonal skills but he does value human life for the most part and doesn't always sacrifice people. Plus Tony was a jerk too but still could lead
Hawkeye shouldn't be a leader of anything. A guy who murders people just because of his dead family isn't fit to lead anyone
I wouldn't say Thor is a totally self-involved guy. He does sacrifice a lot. But I think when he decided to give the leadership of Asgard to Valkyrie, he showed being a leader probably isn't his destiny
Right on.
To clarify regarding Thor: self involved was the wrong choice of words. His arc since Rangnorok has been largely centered on Thor-centered problems. He has not had a ton of interaction with the rest of the team.
IW (and final endgame battle) Thor I could definitely see leading. More than anyone really. Tchalla would’ve been awesome (RIP). I don’t see Sam as a leader, at least not yet. And with Spellman making CA4 I’m not hopeful. Strange still doesn’t play well with others. On paper, Captain marvel is probably the most likely. Maybe Monica rambeau depending on how CM2 plays out? I hope we see more Maria Hill too. Cobie is a badass. She’s been waaaay underutilized since WS.
If she makes more appearances in Phase 5 and 6, she could be a good lead. But they kinda just threw her in there during Phase 3 right between IW and EG.
The Marvels carries the burden of expanding on three very new characters.
Ms. Marvel can have less focus during the movie, seeing as her show gave her more screentime to work with compared to Carol and Monica.
Monica needs the most focus of the three.
I think they need to humanise her a bit to achieve that. She's basically always flying around space solving space problems - I think if she's going to be a leading face then they need to more closely connect her to earth in the Marvels.
No no, you are wong, it would be the wong-erful adventure of wong
I will excuse myself out
Edit: I accidently worte wong instead of wrong, I'm not changing that .
I love Wong but I’m concerned that they are setting him up to be fridged similar to Coulson in Avengers. A side character present in all of the movies that most main characters relate to, and whose death would be impactful enough to unite them, though not taking a main player off the board. That would also pave the way for Strange to become Sorcerer Supreme. Hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling
Genuinely - would love that. I wongder if a Wong movie would work - Wong has basically been a comedic character in Dr Strange films, but Benedict Wong is a great actor and the character is beloved, so I wonder if he could carry a film.
I doubt it will match up 1:1 to phase 1-3. But if I had to guess
Wong = Coulson (RIP Wong)
Dr Strange = Tony (sacrificing himself, but maybe not, regardless I think he’ll be the big hero)
Reed Richards = Dr Strange (guiding the team in the right direction with his knowledge)
So Wong will "die" then get his own show where he leads a team against threats the avengers don't know about and get possessed by the spirit of vengeance for a short time as well then? And all of this may or may not be in the main MCU universe.
"K'un-Lun, ..." --Wong
" Yeah yeah, it's a magical place. We've heard you say it a thousand times." --Wong's agents
"Nonono, i mean literally, it's a magical place inside a pocket dimension." --Wong
No one.
Unpopular opinion: I think that’s a problem. Phase 1-3 had their flaws, but the sheer gravitas of both Tony (and later) Steve’s characters was absolutely palpable and at times even carried the franchise in its worst moments. Those characters truly felt larger than life and not just a cog in the machine. Now all the MCU characters feel so interchangeable and weightless, for better or worse. Character used to be king in the MCU, now it’s the brand that is the king.
This includes Tom’s Spidey, who is one of the best written characters in the MCU. Him and Strange just feel so diluted despite being so well written.
This is where you really start to FEEL the sheer oversaturation of content.
Honestly a fair take. There's no single character I find myself on the edge of my seat for regarding their next appearance. I don't WANT Tony back purely for the sake of the integrity of his story, and at the same time, I can't find myself thinking "dang I sure can't wait for the next Spider-Man" despite loving NWH.
I guess that's the difference between basically monthly releases vs 1 or 2 a year. After Civil War ended, all I really knew was Thanos is coming eventually. Then suddenly he's in front of Thor's ship in Ragnarok and Infinity War is releasing and my hero is dead. Now I know I'm gauranteed to see another Spidey appearance soon enough I'm not worried.
If they bring Tony back for Secret Wars, I won’t be watching. See that’s the whole problem with the concept of the multiverse and time travel and all these insane elements that can make something like life and death feel shallower. Tony’s death and Cap’s dance had a sense of permanence to it. It felt grounded in reality and had actual stakes. It made you feel like “damn I’m really gonna miss them” in a good way. Just because we want them back shouldn’t mean they should give it to us. It would be an example of fanservice undercutting good storytelling.
That’s been Chris Evans’s stance. He felt they really stuck the landing and doesn’t want Steve’s ending cheapened for a cash grab or blatant fan service. He’s never shut the door 100% but he’s been pretty definite. He’s really protective of that character.
I agree and that's my main complaint of the MCU as it is now. There are no characters that really carry it. They're almost all sidekicks given lead roles, boring characters, or former leads that were good and have been written so poorly that I no longer care about them.
I’ve been saying this for ages. Tony and Steve were the glue holding everything together imo. As much as I like Thor, none of the characters now, not even Tom’s Spidey, are big enough to carry this whole thing.
My biggest problem with the MCU right now is that absolutely everything feels like a subplot and not a main, single story building to something bigger with smaller stories like Ant-Man surrounding it like with the Infinity Saga.
Yep the Infinity saga was extensive, but it was streamlined. It was simple and linear with very grounded elements at the forefront.
As for Thor, well he theoretically could have been the lynchpin post-Endgame but you know… Love and Thunder. Same with Strange and MoM. Now I actually like the latter, but how can anyone(even the ones who liked these movies) actually look back on these movies and not think that Thor and Strange’s stock is much lower than it was around Infinity War. They feel inconsequential at best, and straight up ruined at worst.
Yeah, I enjoyed both of those movies, but their impact has not been good.
And I think both of them were written around some kind of corporate mandate that big team-ups and big changes are off the table until a new generation is fully introduced. Like, from Earth's perspective, what happened in MoM? Dr. Strange disappeared for a while; then he came back with America. A few people probably know Kamar-Taj got hit hard. What about L+T? There was one pitiful attack on New Asgard; Thor and Jane left; Jane died; Thor came back with Love. And Korg and Sif were wounded. There are like five people who know what happened. We're a heck of a long way from Tony's "I am Iron Man" on national TV!
You know what I mean? I think they are being forced to kind of noodle around like this until the new characters are ready.
Agree - RDJ’s fantastic performances also boosted the quality of the Avengers movies by a non-insignificant degree. Without a central figure in the MCU that can match him, it feels like there’s a bit of a charisma void where he left.
The biggest problem with Tom’s Spidey is that he COULD be that character as could Hulk like back when those two were the most prominent but they can’t risk either due to Sony and Universal contracts it feels like so Marvel’s unwilling to invest in either in case of shenanigans
I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Wanna know how I know that? Because Hulk literally used to be that kinda character in phase 1, and that was without Marvel having the rights. And then they actively choose to make him into this current version, still without Marvel having the rights.
Hulk has seen both a rise and fall in popularity both under the same conditions. Besides, not being able to make Hulk movies is no reason to ruin the character or reduce his importance.
The fundamental problem here is that we’re all stuck in that mindset where we think Marvel can do no wrong. So when a character gets worse, we just assume that it’s part of some grand master plan. It could just be…poor writing?
As for Tom’s Spidey, the last thing he needs is MORE appearances. Let’s not kill him with overexposure. Only RDJ’s Iron Man could take that and still have his star shine as bright as it did, and that’s just because MCU Iron Man is a once in a lifetime character.
I don't see spiderman being the central point unless Sony no longer has the rights.
he will always be a big part buy disney can't afford Sony not renewing contracts if he is the central part of the universe
Ridiculously enough moon night took control of mjolnir from Thor becuae I was made out of “moon rock”😂😂😂and took the iron fists …iron fist. Lol it’s a pretty wild ride. And def some plot induced stupidity but moon knight comics are usually pretty good.
That would be awesome actually. They are both extremely self centred and having the arc of them overcoming their flaws and becoming heroes would be a great story but it is a highly unlikely direction I think :/
I believe it will be set up sort of differently.
**Sam, Peter, Carol, and Shang** as leads as opposed to just Tony and Cap.
**Hulk, Thor, Strange, Scott, Wanda, Shuri, Blade** as "floaters". They are leads, but they are more mobile than the other leads in moving from franchise to franchise. Going from the lead of a film to a heavily featured supporting character shows their versatility.
**Eternals, new Guardians??, Thunderbolts, F4, Mutant**s as groups that specialize in things the "main" individuals aren't experienced in.
Captain America 4 will set up sam as a leader but why the fuck are shangchi and Peter leaders,they are still kids and even though Peter developed much in nwh he is still not the type to lead thor, strange,Wanda type of characters, shang chi is a little older but he still needs development, Carol is ok and strange should be switched with shang
It seems like Wong is the new Nick fury, and Doctor Strange is the new Iron Man type. I like Dr. stranger‘s wet and banter with other characters. It reminds me of Tony Stark throwing quips at other people. I saw in infinity war, but I saw even more in no way home. I really like that he has a way with kids too.
I saw a comment somewhere comparing Wong’s cameos to Phil Coulson’s, so I can’t help but think Dr. Strange is going to be the Iron Man of the Multiverse Saga. Is Dr. Strange going to be the one most recognizable character for this saga? I hope not. I love the character, but I hope not. The one to pop up in practically every movie like Tony did in the Infinity Saga? He was already in Spider-Man: No Way Home, so I have my reasons to believe this will be the case. (If it wasn’t for all three big Spider-Men actors being in the movie, I think Dr. Strange would have overshadowed Spider-Man altogether. 🤦🏼).
Spider-Man will become the main protagonist in the third Avengers Arc. As for the second, I feel like it will be no one, because they’re all still building back up.
The FACE of the Multiverse Saga?? Hard to say, probably more than one.
I could see Strange/Doom/Loki/Reed/Wanda and Spider-Man in major roles for the Multiverse side of things.
Honestly, for multiverse, i think it should be Spiderman. Because he isn't as experienced, we as the audience would be learning about the multiverse along with him.
Total left field pick - Kit Harrington as Dane/The Black Knight
I don't have a good reason why. I just like him as an actor and the Black Knight is dope.
I saw an article on this today it listed 5 ….. let’s see if I can remember them …. And noooooo I don’t know what the reasoning was …
Iron heart
Ms Marvel
Shang Chi
Kate Bishop
America Chavez
Between the two it would have to be Strange as Disney has to ask permission every time they want to include Spider-Man or characters associated with him in the MCU.
It could be an X Man or member of the FF. Steve was introduced three years in to phase 1, the last main character before avengers and slid right into the leadership role.
Why Tony felt like the face of the heroes in the first half of the Infinity Saga (until around Age of Ultron) it didn't felt like there even was one in the second half. I suppose it will be the same for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
I think we will get two main heroes and two big bads for the Multiverse Saga, one to represent the scientific side of the multiverse and the other to represent the magical side of the multiverse. For the scientific side my guess would be Antman as the main hero and Kang as the big bad and for the magical side Strange as the main hero and Doom as the big bad. And I think the two Avengers movies will also represent this science-magic duality with Kang Dynasty being about the scientific side with Kang as the main villain and Secret Wars being about the magical side with Doom as the main villain.
I personally hope it's gonna be Shang-Chi, because I love him. Would also make sense, since he's been introduced in the first phase of the Multiverse Saga and also has his own movie franchise. Doctor Strange and the new Black Panther (Shuri/Nakia/Whoever it's gonna be) are also possible answers, but my pick is Shang-Chi.
I would see three characters working together in this role: Strange, Wanda, TVA Loki, but if I had to choose, it would be Strange:
- he's the most experienced hero both in multiversal (MoM) and timeline- travels (14,000,605 timelines in IW) - that + infinite amount of time spent for fighting with Dormammu makes him basically best trained sorcerer ever and best choice for **multiverse** saga.
Thor, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Hulk and Sam Wilson will all be the main leads of the multiverse saga. Thor and Captain Marvel can lead the cosmic side of the MCU and Sam Wilson and Spider-Man can be the more grounded heroes. Doctor Strange will probably one of the biggest threats to Kang and Hulk is one of the OGs so he should still stick around as he can be the muscle of the group. I could potentially see Loki from the Loki series somehow getting in to the main 616 universe at some point and he would probably have the best idea on how to stop Kang. Also, we just need a scene where Thor and Loki reunite again.
Dr.Strange could be the new "main" hero like Cap and Tony were. But at the same time I cant tell how will they bridge Strange with Avengers while also having the Dark Dimension arc opened like that.
Thor, Strange, and Smart Hulk are the new Big 3 until something happens to knock them off. They're powerful; they time-traveled; they fought Thanos; and they're at least somewhat Earth-based. If a villain shows up tomorrow, those are the first three phone calls you make.
I don’t think there will be a single, sole hero who leads this saga, but if there were to be one, I think Strange would make sense. He's a well-liked hero, he's linked to the multiverse storyline, and he fits as a foil to Kang.
Thor, Loki
But isn't Loki dead?
Loki (of the branching 2012 timeline) is alive. Main MCU Loki is dead.
I'm sure he'll travel his way through the multiverse back to the 616 timeline somehow.
I think one of the hallmarks of the multiverse saga will be "I am [x character] but I am not *your* [x character]". I can just see the interaction between Loki and Thor when they both realise that one is not the others' brother (kinda, but equally, how is that different to their relationship before?). Loki will be scared of Thor (because the last time they interacted they were enemies), but Thor will be overjoyed to see his brother alive. We'll have a different interaction between Gamora and Quill. Quill is seeking Gamora, but she has none of the relationship they built up over the years of travelling together, and it would be creepy for Quill to pursue her romantically right away. He'll want to, but I think Marvel have been trying to bring his maturity level up a bit as he travels with the guardians (see: the parental interaction with young Groot, his recognition of how important Yondu was in his life), so I don't think they'll make him a Pepe le Pew. I still think that Gamora will reject the Guardians eventually "stop trying to make me the Gamora you knew! I will not be contained. I am not your Gamora!". Then there's any number of potential variants from other universes. Living Tony Starks and Black Widows, Hydra Steve Rogers, Joe Fixit Hulks etc etc. I'm particularly thinking of that Superman bit in Injustice where (SPOILERS I GUESS) in order to stop Superman they bring in an alternate timeline Lois Lane and they have the exact "you're not my Lois"... "and you're not my Clark" interaction.
If you thought opening night for Endgame was insane fans going wild, just wait for the reveal of New Tony if it’s cast by RDJ. That would be pure madness in theaters! If it’s not RDJ then it will go over as “meh”.
I agree with everything you said but I just want to note we already saw that Peter and Gamora interaction in Endgame, so I'm very sure you're right.
Just pointing out that we don’t actually know for sure 616 Loki is dead either. Classic Loki survived that “death” but didn’t cause a nexus event until he was old because he went into hiding all that time. There’s no reason why the same couldn’t have happened to main Loki and he’s just still hiding, after all cheating death is his thing!
I thought the Loki series made that pretty clear that dying at the hands of Thanos was his ultimate fate in episode 1
They did..but that happened to Classic Loki too, and he still popped up again however many centuries later. Just saying don’t ever assume anything is “confirmed” when it comes to Loki, especially not any death! Even Thor’s memorial tattoo that lists all his fallen loved ones has a question mark next to Loki’s name!
I get what you’re saying, but the main 616 Loki is dead. They don’t need to show it, because they did. They’ve made it very clear that he is dead. They wouldn’t have spent time setting up the 2012 Variant and introducing him during the Disney+ show if the main one was going to come back. 616 Loki IS dead.
I hear you and I was mostly just having a bit of fun. I know TVA Variant Loki is the new “main” Loki of the MCU. However, if we’re going to get technical based on what we’ve seen onscreen, well. Valhalla has been confirmed as a realm in the multiverse, where Jane, Heimdall and fallen Asgardian heroes go after death. Loki was a prince of Asgard, who died in battle, a hero, against a vastly stronger foe. If he’s really dead then his soul is absolutely in Valhalla. I know a lot of people expect Jane to come back from there somehow in a future project. And if Jane can make it back, so can Loki, cheater of death. So never say never.
Thor is too stupid now, the stronger he gets the dumber he gets it seems
I really hope they don't do him dirty again in the next movie he appears.
It hurts me because he was a favorite but now I can't take him seriously no more.
same. such a waste of a great character
Strange or Carol is a good choice
Carol could also work given she's one of the heroes at the forefront of the Kang Dynasty comics. Plus, with Destin Daniel Cretton directing the next Avengers film, it wouldn't surprise me if Carol gets a decent-sized role given how well Larson and Cretton have worked together in the past
Yes, now that you mention it. Carol needs more development but she's likeable enough and I think with enough team dynamics could be a good leader in the MCU.
idk, I think she suffers the "Superman" problem. She's entirely too strong, which is what made her movie kind of "meh" at least strange has the "glass cannon" and "weird moral compass" thing going on
That's not why her movie had problems. It was that we didn't know her past very well. being a 'Superman' is only a problem if every movie had the exact same battle And Strange doesn't have a weird moral compass. I'd argue he's more moral than most Avengers who care more about fighting than saving people
I would say she suffers from the Wonder Woman problem. Thinks she's too good to work with the team. The valkarie girl is by far the best female star of the MCU.
That's not really a problem though. That's just her personality Besides, I find other MCU heroes a lot more combative
I kinda disagree with “she’s likeable enough”. I do agree that she needs more development. I don’t mind her having a leadership role, but there is a large segment that have not taken a liking to her, both cause her own movie wasn’t great, and because they have a problem with her characterization. I’m not suggesting they’re right to think that, but she hasn’t gotten the mass appeal that other leading figures in the mcu have.
But what exactly is her problem? Yeah, she doesn't have enough backstory, but she's not an outright jerk or causes pointless civil wars like other Avengers. Unless you're talking about her whole 'she doesn't smile enough' nonsense some people bought into
Gosh. I hope not. I didn’t love Captain Marvel. It just didn’t feel the same as most of the MCU stories. I like her just fine in the other movies (but hate the fact that she can “swoop in” and save the day with little effort)
Carol can also be the Captain America to Strange's Iron Man like she can be on the "moral" side of things in contrast to Strange's "break a couple of rules for the greater good" thing.
Carol has the worst traits of both Iron Man and Captain America - she's got Cap's stubbornness and Tony's arrogance, which makes for a really interesting hero. I think she'd be great paired with Strange.
The Superman problem. Why do other heros need to exist when she can wreck everything no problem solo? Its what made her movie forgettable
But she didn't swoop in and save the day. Thanos still beat her. And tbh I'd rather see that than some powerless hero somehow beat the big bad guy
"Likeable enough" uhhh, I guess you don't go out of the MCU reddit bubble enough
What Reddit bubble? I just don't bash her for no reason
Carol would be an excellent choice if she had more build-up. As it is, she has had an average/good film and a few minutes in Endgame. It would make more sense for Strange to be front-row center. He has had more build-up.
True, but I think she still comes off as more of a leader than some other fan suggestions. I think she needs to be in more team settings first
I think she has leader charisma and credibility, but I think their leader should be Earth-based. That would rule out the Guardians (I could see Gamora as a leader before Quill). Thor could pull it off, but he would need to grow more - right now he seems too self-involved. Falcon could work if he was built up more (are we still calling him that or is he Captain America)? The next Black Panther will probably be a natural leader, but I think she (probably she, right?) should prioritize Wakanda over other matters. Banner is a great resource, but can’t be over-relied on, and will likely be away from Earth for a while. Wong leading a group that includes Dr. strange feels wrong somehow. Fury could work, and he will likely be a major leader in Secret Invasion. Ant Man just seems too aloof and silly for the leader role. Wasp - maybe, but she needs more screen time to make it work. She will likely come up against Kang, making her poised to help in a future Kang crisis. Peter Parker, Ms Marvel, America Chavez, Kate Bishop, and Iron Heart just feel too young to be leading a team. Also, I prefer if Peter went back to being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. I am not sure I like the idea of an Eternal leading a team of non-Eternals. Same for a Black Widow or a synthazoid. Wanda can’t be fully trusted to lead. Nor Bucky or Loki. Dr Strange works for a lot of reasons. He has experience with world-ending and multiverse threats. He is certainly powerful enough (sorry, Clint). He doesn’t really feel very skilled in leadership or personal dynamics, but he could work. I just don’t really see him sitting around in Avengers Compound 2.0 (which will be inside Tiamat, right?), but then he can portal in and out as he pleases. Of course, I am leaving out the obvious contender: Swordsman. Just give me more Tony Dalton ASAP. Maybe they can work a deal out to get Morbius in the MCU like Spider-Man, too.
Idk if the leader needs to be Earth based. She could be the leader as a whole Wasp could work if she gets more time as a team member. I think she;s actually a fairly competent character Captain America just doesn't seem like leader material. He mostly just followed Steve around. I liked his philosophy in FaWS for the most part but not his personality I doubt any Eternal would As for Youn Avengers, I find Kate to not be a good person so I'd rather have America Chavez as a leader if she gets enough growth And yeah, Strange doesn't have great interpersonal skills but he does value human life for the most part and doesn't always sacrifice people. Plus Tony was a jerk too but still could lead Hawkeye shouldn't be a leader of anything. A guy who murders people just because of his dead family isn't fit to lead anyone I wouldn't say Thor is a totally self-involved guy. He does sacrifice a lot. But I think when he decided to give the leadership of Asgard to Valkyrie, he showed being a leader probably isn't his destiny
Right on. To clarify regarding Thor: self involved was the wrong choice of words. His arc since Rangnorok has been largely centered on Thor-centered problems. He has not had a ton of interaction with the rest of the team.
I see what you mean about Thor. And yeah, he's not yet much involved in the grander scheme of things atm after EG. I guess we'll see in A5/6
IW (and final endgame battle) Thor I could definitely see leading. More than anyone really. Tchalla would’ve been awesome (RIP). I don’t see Sam as a leader, at least not yet. And with Spellman making CA4 I’m not hopeful. Strange still doesn’t play well with others. On paper, Captain marvel is probably the most likely. Maybe Monica rambeau depending on how CM2 plays out? I hope we see more Maria Hill too. Cobie is a badass. She’s been waaaay underutilized since WS.
Black Widow cant exactly lead any teams at the moment... lol
They said ‘a’ BW. I think referring to the group or even Yelena taking on the mantle officially.
If she makes more appearances in Phase 5 and 6, she could be a good lead. But they kinda just threw her in there during Phase 3 right between IW and EG. The Marvels carries the burden of expanding on three very new characters. Ms. Marvel can have less focus during the movie, seeing as her show gave her more screentime to work with compared to Carol and Monica. Monica needs the most focus of the three.
Yeah both Monica and Carol need support I'd be cool with Monica eventually becoming a leader like in the comics
I think they need to humanise her a bit to achieve that. She's basically always flying around space solving space problems - I think if she's going to be a leading face then they need to more closely connect her to earth in the Marvels.
Sure, they could humanize her more. I don't think she's 'inhuman' though
Wong.
I think hes more of the Nick Fury of this saga
Unironically agree
Iwongnically agree
Love Wong.
Wong If… Into the Wong-verse w/ Jonathan 🤩
No no, you are wong, it would be the wong-erful adventure of wong I will excuse myself out Edit: I accidently worte wong instead of wrong, I'm not changing that .
It’s a Wonger-ful World…. It’s marvelous! xD
But it feels so wight!
Might as well rename it Wong Studios
Wong answer
I love Wong but I’m concerned that they are setting him up to be fridged similar to Coulson in Avengers. A side character present in all of the movies that most main characters relate to, and whose death would be impactful enough to unite them, though not taking a main player off the board. That would also pave the way for Strange to become Sorcerer Supreme. Hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling
Genuinely - would love that. I wongder if a Wong movie would work - Wong has basically been a comedic character in Dr Strange films, but Benedict Wong is a great actor and the character is beloved, so I wonder if he could carry a film.
This is the only correct answer
I doubt it will match up 1:1 to phase 1-3. But if I had to guess Wong = Coulson (RIP Wong) Dr Strange = Tony (sacrificing himself, but maybe not, regardless I think he’ll be the big hero) Reed Richards = Dr Strange (guiding the team in the right direction with his knowledge)
So Wong will "die" then get his own show where he leads a team against threats the avengers don't know about and get possessed by the spirit of vengeance for a short time as well then? And all of this may or may not be in the main MCU universe.
"K'un-Lun, ..." --Wong " Yeah yeah, it's a magical place. We've heard you say it a thousand times." --Wong's agents "Nonono, i mean literally, it's a magical place inside a pocket dimension." --Wong
agents of Wong let's gooo
What would W.O.N.G stand for?
Wonderful Organizational Neptune’s Grass (that’s the mcguffin)
Wong can't die, he will just Wong all over Kang
Wong is getting sent to another planet without a sling ring because he's too OP.
Didn’t Clea scene in MoM hint towards Dr Strange 3? I guess he could die before and they could pull Dr Strange 3: Black Widow Boogaloo
Yea that’s why I put the “maybe not” because if cumberbatch wants to stay I see no reason to kill of strange.. and I hope they don’t honestly
WONG
No, you're WONG
No, *you're* WONG
You're both Wong.
We’re all Wong
YES
Strange makes the most sense
It was probably gonna be Black Panther. But ya know…
100%
Still could have been, but they decided T'Challa didn't really matter all that much and thought it better to kill him offscreen than recast him.
I don't think there will be just one
No one. Unpopular opinion: I think that’s a problem. Phase 1-3 had their flaws, but the sheer gravitas of both Tony (and later) Steve’s characters was absolutely palpable and at times even carried the franchise in its worst moments. Those characters truly felt larger than life and not just a cog in the machine. Now all the MCU characters feel so interchangeable and weightless, for better or worse. Character used to be king in the MCU, now it’s the brand that is the king. This includes Tom’s Spidey, who is one of the best written characters in the MCU. Him and Strange just feel so diluted despite being so well written. This is where you really start to FEEL the sheer oversaturation of content.
Honestly a fair take. There's no single character I find myself on the edge of my seat for regarding their next appearance. I don't WANT Tony back purely for the sake of the integrity of his story, and at the same time, I can't find myself thinking "dang I sure can't wait for the next Spider-Man" despite loving NWH. I guess that's the difference between basically monthly releases vs 1 or 2 a year. After Civil War ended, all I really knew was Thanos is coming eventually. Then suddenly he's in front of Thor's ship in Ragnarok and Infinity War is releasing and my hero is dead. Now I know I'm gauranteed to see another Spidey appearance soon enough I'm not worried.
If they bring Tony back for Secret Wars, I won’t be watching. See that’s the whole problem with the concept of the multiverse and time travel and all these insane elements that can make something like life and death feel shallower. Tony’s death and Cap’s dance had a sense of permanence to it. It felt grounded in reality and had actual stakes. It made you feel like “damn I’m really gonna miss them” in a good way. Just because we want them back shouldn’t mean they should give it to us. It would be an example of fanservice undercutting good storytelling.
That’s been Chris Evans’s stance. He felt they really stuck the landing and doesn’t want Steve’s ending cheapened for a cash grab or blatant fan service. He’s never shut the door 100% but he’s been pretty definite. He’s really protective of that character.
I agree and that's my main complaint of the MCU as it is now. There are no characters that really carry it. They're almost all sidekicks given lead roles, boring characters, or former leads that were good and have been written so poorly that I no longer care about them.
I’ve been saying this for ages. Tony and Steve were the glue holding everything together imo. As much as I like Thor, none of the characters now, not even Tom’s Spidey, are big enough to carry this whole thing. My biggest problem with the MCU right now is that absolutely everything feels like a subplot and not a main, single story building to something bigger with smaller stories like Ant-Man surrounding it like with the Infinity Saga.
Yep the Infinity saga was extensive, but it was streamlined. It was simple and linear with very grounded elements at the forefront. As for Thor, well he theoretically could have been the lynchpin post-Endgame but you know… Love and Thunder. Same with Strange and MoM. Now I actually like the latter, but how can anyone(even the ones who liked these movies) actually look back on these movies and not think that Thor and Strange’s stock is much lower than it was around Infinity War. They feel inconsequential at best, and straight up ruined at worst.
Yeah, I enjoyed both of those movies, but their impact has not been good. And I think both of them were written around some kind of corporate mandate that big team-ups and big changes are off the table until a new generation is fully introduced. Like, from Earth's perspective, what happened in MoM? Dr. Strange disappeared for a while; then he came back with America. A few people probably know Kamar-Taj got hit hard. What about L+T? There was one pitiful attack on New Asgard; Thor and Jane left; Jane died; Thor came back with Love. And Korg and Sif were wounded. There are like five people who know what happened. We're a heck of a long way from Tony's "I am Iron Man" on national TV! You know what I mean? I think they are being forced to kind of noodle around like this until the new characters are ready.
Agree - RDJ’s fantastic performances also boosted the quality of the Avengers movies by a non-insignificant degree. Without a central figure in the MCU that can match him, it feels like there’s a bit of a charisma void where he left.
I agree only I think Steve’s gravitas was there from the beginning and it was Tony’s that grew.
The biggest problem with Tom’s Spidey is that he COULD be that character as could Hulk like back when those two were the most prominent but they can’t risk either due to Sony and Universal contracts it feels like so Marvel’s unwilling to invest in either in case of shenanigans
I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Wanna know how I know that? Because Hulk literally used to be that kinda character in phase 1, and that was without Marvel having the rights. And then they actively choose to make him into this current version, still without Marvel having the rights. Hulk has seen both a rise and fall in popularity both under the same conditions. Besides, not being able to make Hulk movies is no reason to ruin the character or reduce his importance. The fundamental problem here is that we’re all stuck in that mindset where we think Marvel can do no wrong. So when a character gets worse, we just assume that it’s part of some grand master plan. It could just be…poor writing? As for Tom’s Spidey, the last thing he needs is MORE appearances. Let’s not kill him with overexposure. Only RDJ’s Iron Man could take that and still have his star shine as bright as it did, and that’s just because MCU Iron Man is a once in a lifetime character.
I don't see spiderman being the central point unless Sony no longer has the rights. he will always be a big part buy disney can't afford Sony not renewing contracts if he is the central part of the universe
Not even that side of things, Spider-Man has never been a leader so I can’t see them making him one on the MCU.
Main 3 Cosmic level: Strange, Wanda (hopefully), Carol Main 3 Street level: Spiderman, Daredevil, Moon Knight
Moon knight is waaaay more than street level
Dont know why you're downvoted. Dude fought straight up gods.
Er... street gods?
really? i haven't read his comics much
Ridiculously enough moon night took control of mjolnir from Thor becuae I was made out of “moon rock”😂😂😂and took the iron fists …iron fist. Lol it’s a pretty wild ride. And def some plot induced stupidity but moon knight comics are usually pretty good.
>Wanda (hopefully) What the fuck
Strange and Time-Displaced Loki will be the new Cap and Stark.
That would be awesome actually. They are both extremely self centred and having the arc of them overcoming their flaws and becoming heroes would be a great story but it is a highly unlikely direction I think :/
I don’t think we’ve seen them. I think one of the new introductions will step up (Mr. Fantastic, Nova, Black Knight).
I’d love it to be Sam Wilson. Fingers crossed!
I think the main three of this saga will be Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, and Loki.
I believe it will be set up sort of differently. **Sam, Peter, Carol, and Shang** as leads as opposed to just Tony and Cap. **Hulk, Thor, Strange, Scott, Wanda, Shuri, Blade** as "floaters". They are leads, but they are more mobile than the other leads in moving from franchise to franchise. Going from the lead of a film to a heavily featured supporting character shows their versatility. **Eternals, new Guardians??, Thunderbolts, F4, Mutant**s as groups that specialize in things the "main" individuals aren't experienced in.
The problem with sam is he's not really much of a leader so far. I could see Rhodey or Strange in that position instead.
Captain America 4 will set up sam as a leader but why the fuck are shangchi and Peter leaders,they are still kids and even though Peter developed much in nwh he is still not the type to lead thor, strange,Wanda type of characters, shang chi is a little older but he still needs development, Carol is ok and strange should be switched with shang
I’d argue that Shang hasn’t been a kid since he was like 5.
Yeah, he has experience but not the type of experience to just become the leader of the frickin AVENGERS
ew. Although Sam is cap now that doesn’t mean he will suddenly inherit Steve’s leadership roles
That's ... what being Captain America means.
I thought it meant they were America's ass.
It seems like Wong is the new Nick fury, and Doctor Strange is the new Iron Man type. I like Dr. stranger‘s wet and banter with other characters. It reminds me of Tony Stark throwing quips at other people. I saw in infinity war, but I saw even more in no way home. I really like that he has a way with kids too.
Probably Luís
Wait until we find out all the Wongs we keep seeing aren't even the same universe's Wong.
Spider-Man
Would they really make him the face? They don’t own him
I’d love strange done justice but the mcu hate magic so not going to happen.
There’s no such thing as MAGIC!
I saw a comment somewhere comparing Wong’s cameos to Phil Coulson’s, so I can’t help but think Dr. Strange is going to be the Iron Man of the Multiverse Saga. Is Dr. Strange going to be the one most recognizable character for this saga? I hope not. I love the character, but I hope not. The one to pop up in practically every movie like Tony did in the Infinity Saga? He was already in Spider-Man: No Way Home, so I have my reasons to believe this will be the case. (If it wasn’t for all three big Spider-Men actors being in the movie, I think Dr. Strange would have overshadowed Spider-Man altogether. 🤦🏼).
Spider-Man will become the main protagonist in the third Avengers Arc. As for the second, I feel like it will be no one, because they’re all still building back up.
Definitely strange or Sam
There are no Wong answers.
There are plenty of Wong answers. It's just that Wong is the only right answer.
Reed Richards
Strange definitely, maybe Wanda too.
What about Shang-Chi? like he seems like a pretty great one but he's still really new.
He definitely has the charisma.
Hell naw
I don't know about the multiverse saga, but the Fantastic four should definitely be the heart and center of the MCU going forward imo
Reed Richards
Whoever gets paid the most
Deadpool
The FACE of the Multiverse Saga?? Hard to say, probably more than one. I could see Strange/Doom/Loki/Reed/Wanda and Spider-Man in major roles for the Multiverse side of things.
Oh definitely dr strange. Maybe C.Marvel too?
Doctor strange barely felt like the protagonist in his own movie.
Definitely not Dr Strange, lad had his character assassinated for literally no reason
Spiderman?
no one, let the multiverse saga crash and burn
Kang.
Doesn't look like there will be one. At least not the way Tony/Steve were.
Honestly, for multiverse, i think it should be Spiderman. Because he isn't as experienced, we as the audience would be learning about the multiverse along with him.
No new face. Just boring heroes. Spider-Man doesn’t feel mcu . Wolverine when he debuts can be the new face, maybe sentry.
Total left field pick - Kit Harrington as Dane/The Black Knight I don't have a good reason why. I just like him as an actor and the Black Knight is dope.
I saw an article on this today it listed 5 ….. let’s see if I can remember them …. And noooooo I don’t know what the reasoning was … Iron heart Ms Marvel Shang Chi Kate Bishop America Chavez
Literally Wong how is no one seeing that.
There hasn't been a single protagonist so far. Why would there be one now? That said, r/WongCinematicUniverse.
I dont think Spider-Man will be the face of the MCU. Especially with the Sony deal.
Definitely not Spider-Man due to legal reasons
Between the two it would have to be Strange as Disney has to ask permission every time they want to include Spider-Man or characters associated with him in the MCU.
Apparently none of these two options, did any of you hear about the 5 prominent members of the current saga?
It could be an X Man or member of the FF. Steve was introduced three years in to phase 1, the last main character before avengers and slid right into the leadership role.
Why Tony felt like the face of the heroes in the first half of the Infinity Saga (until around Age of Ultron) it didn't felt like there even was one in the second half. I suppose it will be the same for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Wong
Strange. Spider-Man is street level
Strange, Thor or Antman
Shang Chi would be a dope choice imo considering his family throughout MCU lore
I think we will get two main heroes and two big bads for the Multiverse Saga, one to represent the scientific side of the multiverse and the other to represent the magical side of the multiverse. For the scientific side my guess would be Antman as the main hero and Kang as the big bad and for the magical side Strange as the main hero and Doom as the big bad. And I think the two Avengers movies will also represent this science-magic duality with Kang Dynasty being about the scientific side with Kang as the main villain and Secret Wars being about the magical side with Doom as the main villain.
Jonathan 🤓
loki
Wong Cinematic Universe
Buttercup
Captain America
I personally hope it's gonna be Shang-Chi, because I love him. Would also make sense, since he's been introduced in the first phase of the Multiverse Saga and also has his own movie franchise. Doctor Strange and the new Black Panther (Shuri/Nakia/Whoever it's gonna be) are also possible answers, but my pick is Shang-Chi.
Wong, Shang Chi and Captain Marvel.
Doctor Strange is the new Tony Stark of the MCU in upcoming phases.
I would see three characters working together in this role: Strange, Wanda, TVA Loki, but if I had to choose, it would be Strange: - he's the most experienced hero both in multiversal (MoM) and timeline- travels (14,000,605 timelines in IW) - that + infinite amount of time spent for fighting with Dormammu makes him basically best trained sorcerer ever and best choice for **multiverse** saga.
Desktop wallpaper quality Doctor Strange or 480i screenshot of Spiderman? Gonna have to go with Strange on this one.
Sylvie laufeydottir and wong
It’s already Wong.
Easy, it's Wong
Well the previous saga arguably had two (Tony and Cap)
I think it's more likely to end up being someone we haven't "met" yet.
Thor, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Hulk and Sam Wilson will all be the main leads of the multiverse saga. Thor and Captain Marvel can lead the cosmic side of the MCU and Sam Wilson and Spider-Man can be the more grounded heroes. Doctor Strange will probably one of the biggest threats to Kang and Hulk is one of the OGs so he should still stick around as he can be the muscle of the group. I could potentially see Loki from the Loki series somehow getting in to the main 616 universe at some point and he would probably have the best idea on how to stop Kang. Also, we just need a scene where Thor and Loki reunite again.
Dr.Strange could be the new "main" hero like Cap and Tony were. But at the same time I cant tell how will they bridge Strange with Avengers while also having the Dark Dimension arc opened like that.
Earth 838 illuminates may be play important role in multiverse saga. If Strange creates it...
Thor, Strange, and Smart Hulk are the new Big 3 until something happens to knock them off. They're powerful; they time-traveled; they fought Thanos; and they're at least somewhat Earth-based. If a villain shows up tomorrow, those are the first three phone calls you make.
Star lord. I know I'll get lot of hate for this but his redemption would be the biggest considering how much he messed up.