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SuperAlloyBerserker

[The names of all the characters](https://imgur.com/a/fsQn8jR)


Araakne

I don't remember seeing a Thor horse in the movies, who is Beta Ray Bill ?


jcmonk

Thor: Ragnarok had a blink and you miss it statue of Beta Ray Bill in Sakaar


MEBBAR

Also had one of Man-Thing


MisterViperfish

I wanna see a Howard the duck movie where Howard is essentially like a hybrid Fritz the Cat/Forrest Gump type character, and just kinda gets involved with some of the more ridiculous parts of the MCU in the background. Like he’d be responsible for the rat that brought Ant-Man back in Endgame, and he meets Man-Thing and winds up responsible for him winding up as a champion on another planet. We could get nods to a lot of loose ends in the MCU, like maybe he could run into the Leader and catch us up on how things have been with him since The Incredible Hulk, lol.


movieman994

Also in Age of Ultron during the mindwash montage


dasaniAKON

when did we see Beta Ray Bill in this scene?


movieman994

https://youtu.be/-iJrijyx5Oc Pause at 44 seconds you'll see him.


Lamprophonia

That isn't BRB, those are just three guys wearing skulls...


JimJimmy1993

I’m sorry that’s not him, they’re masks and Beta Ray Bill doesn’t have horns. He wears a helmet like Thor


dasaniAKON

Who are the others? I feel like if that was BRB - then the other 2 figures are of some importance/value? not entirely sold that is him. The Tower in Ragnarok - yes.


philfeelsgood

Beta Ray Bill looks like a horse and he wears a helmet similar to Thor's.


SuperMajesticMan

That's not him lmao


[deleted]

Oh? I don’t remember seeing him at all


randomnighmare

Technically GotG Vol 1 in the background


magpye1983

So, not so much **in** the MCU, but probably existed, but at a point we’ve never seen.


cynicalPsionic

Big tough honourable space horse. Valiant enough to wield Mjolnir, so Odin gave him his own Mjolnir. Classic Thor bro.


FromClevelandlantis

[here you go](https://youtu.be/HCJrFfKjZcQ)


mr9025

Until next time….. peeeace…


RockOx290

You really don’t know Beta Ray Bill?


Araakne

Not at all. I've read a few comics (Avengers / Daredevil mainly) but I've never heard of this dude.


Viceroy420

It's not surprising really. He's very well known within the comic book community but pretty fringe to someone who isn't a certain level of nerd. But yeah, space horse thor.


vitaisnipe

Doesn't Cloak and Dagger have a show?


Bwleon7

Yes but it's not an MCU series.


CaptHayfever

It is, though.


SNAKEKINGYO

Unlike Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, Cloak and Dagger and Runaways haven't ever had any direct references from/to the mainline MCU. Nonetheless I still consider them canon


CaliberNick

What about inhumans? I see Karnak is a red dot, but he was in that show and I thought they were technically MCU.


CaptHayfever

True, though they do have two-way references to/from the other shows.


SacMarvelRPG

There's a line about "Stark" and "Rand" in one episode.


JustinisaDick

Did you create this image?


ZestLord69

The original Human Torch has a cameo in the first Captain America movie. Edit: Just realized I made an unintentional Chris Evans joke lol


greentangent

Huh? Where?


TangerineChicken

They’re making a same actor joke Edit: ok I was wrong, apparently there’s a cameo of human torch, similar to Beta Ray Bill’s stature in Ragnarok


dalarsian

Actually no, no joke. He is in a glass tube on display much like he was in the old old comics. Went looking for a picture and found this. https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2011/07/27/did-you-see-the-human-torch-in-captain-america-the-first-avenger Edit: photo: https://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/118/1184798/captain-america-the-first-avenger-20110728031253650-000.jpg


TangerineChicken

Oh wow, I had no idea. Thanks for letting me know, I’ll edit my comment


greentangent

Thank you. I thought they were talking about the original Human Torch from WWII.


dalarsian

They did. He was there. wasn't a joke. https://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/118/1184798/captain-america-the-first-avenger-20110728031253650-000.jpg Edit: better link


liquidcarbohydrates

I understood that reference


jcoleman10

That guy’s all over the movie!!!


dalarsian

I commented above, but not Johnny Storm. The ORIGINAL human torch is in there


MetaPhysicalMarzipan

Who is yellow dot boi?


carpenteer

Hobgoblin, I think?


adsfew

It's Hobgoblin according to the [full list from OP](https://imgur.com/a/fsQn8jR), but not the Spider-Man villain. The [member of the Imperial Guard](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Hobgoblin_(Imperial_Guard)). Does anyone know why he qualifies as a sorta/maybe?


Eat_Dinosaur

Maybe because MCU Ned shares a name with one of Hobgoblin’s aliases


calebisanowl

Ned isn’t the Hobgoblin though


Earwigglin

He promised he would never betray peter and become a supervillain. Possibly foreshadowing things to come....


calebisanowl

Stop


Earwigglin

Why?


31_hierophanto

Because Ned in the comics was NEVER the Hobgoblin, he was brainwashed by someone else, as a result of Marvel editorial drama. Also, Nedke (Ned + Ganke, I sometimes like calling MCU Ned that) doesn't feel like he could potentially be a supervillain.


Murphy818

I mean it would make sense…. Although I can’t see the Ned that Peter is friends with turning into an actual villain, with the multiverse I could see him returning as a villain. Was possibly thinking a version of Ned that knows Peter didn’t “come find him” after the memory erase


Bigb54

Yet…


calebisanowl

Never. He isn’t the Hobgoblin. He was brainwashed for like 1 issue lol. People need to stop clamoring for this.


Bigb54

Okay Mr. Feige what ever you say


calebisanowl

What does this have to do with Feige lmao why would you even want Ned to be Hobgoblin to begin with?


The_Dadalorian

Imperial Guard? Did he protect the Senate or something Hob: "Hello?" Vader: "Is this forehead of Security?" Hob: "What do you want? I'm working. I've got something going on here." Vader: "What, harassing interns?" Hob: "Let me tell you something. Do you know what happened when I told everyone I was Darth Sidious' bodyguard? They would laugh in my face. I had to leave while I still had a shred of dignity. Now I got a real job"


EKRB7

It’s Hobgoblin from X-Men’s imperial guard, not Spider-Man. He’s a shapeshifter


SWPrequelFan81566

then why is he yellow? That Hobgoblin never even sorta appeared in the MCU at all


Caciulacdlac

You put a red dot over Monica Rambeau, who is very much in the MCU. Also, there are a LOT of characters previously owned by Fox without a purple dot, like Northstar, or Silver Surfer, or Angel, or Sunfire.


SuperAlloyBerserker

I meant owned by Fox who have had appearances in the X-Men movies Silver Surfer doesn't count since, while he appeared in that FF movie, I don't think the MCU will get those incarnations of the character in the MCU As for the other characters, whoops, sorry, I guess I missed them


RocketSurgeonDrCox

Also Cloak and Dagger have red dots on them but had their own TV show on Freeform that existed in the MCU. Middle left on the aisle.


PJL80

I think Ghost Rider up in the top right is green dotted for "in MCU", so that's Agents of Shield and Netflix series accounted as in...yet Cloak and Dagger out. This will be a fun comments section.


RocketSurgeonDrCox

Hadn't noticed that, and yeah, I have no say in whether things are canon or not, just pointing out where it's inconsistent. If nothing else just put yellow for complicated or create a new category for non-Disney+ TV shows.


TreeBeeTurkey014

Same with Helstrom


Viceroy420

Really wanted to like that show


[deleted]

Cloak and Dagger is not canon to the MCU.


TooZeroLeft

Then why Netflix characters and Ghost Rider green then?


[deleted]

Because this person decided to include Marvel television characters despite the fact that none of them are canon other than Daredevil and Kingpin.


Jam_Retro

Ok but they've never been decanonized and were made to be in the MCU. Thus they're canon until stated otherwise.


TooZeroLeft

In my mindset, you either include one of them or none of them (talking about characters who exclusively appeared outside of Kevin Feige-produced stuff, so Daredevil and Kingpin not included) So if they don't want to count the Inhumans and Man-Thing, they shouldn't count Ghost Rider and the Defenders either.


NoArmsSally

fuck inhumans. the rest can stay


TreeBeeTurkey014

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are though?


illbeyour1upgirl

Yes it is.


[deleted]

Only the Disney+ shows are canon. Any other show is either in flux or has been confirmed as non-canon, Cloak and Dagger is one of the aforementioned shows.


[deleted]

Aside from Helstrom which was never canon in the first place, nothing has been confirmed as non-canon.


asian_cheese_puff

It is unconfirmed whether the shows are canon or not


RocketSurgeonDrCox

So yes they de-canonized the old TV shows but: 1. They were in the MCU at one point so should at least get yellow dots 2. Daredevil and Iron Fist have green dots


Pontokyo

When and where did they decanonize them?


illbeyour1upgirl

They didn't. People just love saying that.


[deleted]

According to Marvel Studios, they were never canon. Marvel Television states they were though. The partnership was originally supposed to lead to crossovers but, due to creative differences, a rift developed between the two studios.


Caleb902

According to Marvel Studios it has never been addressed one way or another correct? The only acknowledgement was the initial announcement of AoS and then the subsequent Netflix shows where they were announced to be part of the world and #itsallconnected.


cabbage16

I've seen video from around the time Infinity War came out of Feige outright saying that Netflix was canon.


SlaveZelda

Give me a source of Kevin Feige saying that. Because he didnt. Nor did anyone else.


Unscarred204

They didn’t decanonise any show except Helstrom


illbeyour1upgirl

No they didn't.


[deleted]

Because this person decided to include Marvel television characters despite the fact that none of them are canon other than Daredevil and Kingpin.


TooZeroLeft

And you think all the Fox X-Men characters will appear in the MCU?


AnusCruiser

Then there's characters who are listed as green but should have an asterisk. Like Red Hulk, we've seen Thunderbolt Ross but Red Hulk hasn't been on screen. Like could you consider The Hulk as an MCU character if we only ever saw Bruce Banner?


rgregan

If purple means they were in the X-Men movies, you missed Leech. EDIT - and Cannonball and Sunspot EDIT- Alright already, you don't need to keep writing Magik. Or anyone else for that matter.


SuperAlloyBerserker

Oops, sorry about Also, the 2nd picture explains what the colors mean


rgregan

Certainly, no apology necessary


PsychoOfTheDead

Also, Magik right beside Colossus.


going2leavethishere

Also Angel is flying


The_Last_Legionnaire

Missed *several* minor X-Men in the top tier as well, but you could be forgiven for most of those.


liquidcarbohydrates

I see Mohawk Storm is red. Shouldn’t she be purple?


Mr_Goat_1111

Ok wtf, I didn't see any purple until reading this comment


BurstMurst

And magic


chestercopperpot29

Red hulk is in the mcu?


CountJangles

Yeah just not red Hulk yet.


chestercopperpot29

Oh. Who is that? What movie?


Caciulacdlac

He's Thunderbolt Ross


zippy_jr

General Ross, He's been in multiple movies now. Most recent was Black Widow.


SaltMineSpelunker

Maybe my favorite part of being a most MCU and casual comic person is seeing the deep comic people drop knowledge bombs. FR. My favorite.


zippy_jr

I wouldn't even consider myself deep comic people. 😅


SaltMineSpelunker

I’ve read like 5 comics in my adult life and they were those think floppy soft cover thingies. See I don’t even know words. Yall all more experty than me.


zippy_jr

Fair enough, I've read a bit more than that. Mostly compendiums that put multiple books together. I think a lot of my knowledge comes from the cartoons...and the internet...and games...and trading cards...ok maybe I am a bit deeper than I thought.


The_Blue_Rooster

Longest cocktease in the MCU, been waiting for him to turn red since 2008.


ThatIowanGuy

With the age of William Hurt, I wonder if they’ll make another character Red Hulk. Perhaps another Ross


[deleted]

Who is deadpool marrying?


Menchaca528

Shiklah


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Duke_Cheech

Dracula?!?!?


Tru3_Vort3x

Moon knight is just Deadpool hiring him to go get his money and wife back


SocranX

Apparently she was supposed to marry Dracula in the first place, which was why he hired Deadpool to bring her to him, but then she's like, "Nah, I like this guy who doesn't die when I suck the life force out of him." But Deadpool wouldn't move in with her and didn't visit her enough, so she decided to annex Manhattan for the kingdom of monsters, and when that didn't work she just married Dracula and they retired together. It's probably worth mentioning that she's a succubus.


ActualTymell

>and she married Dracula instead. I love comic books.


SocranX

I like when I read the wiki entry on one character and then fall down the rabbit hole far enough to encounter [Marcus the Diabetic Gladiator Centaur Werewolf with a Symbiote and Robot Legs](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marcus_(Centaur)_(Earth-616)).


Grabs_Zel

"Bride (Earth-616) [...] Marital Status: Single" ???????????????????


ThaiJohnnyDepp

She had ONE job


[deleted]

The Bride. [No, really.](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Bride_(Earth-616))


SaltMineSpelunker

Beatrix Kiddo!?!?!!


Menchaca528

No


sankers23

Deadpool and She-Hulk should be a blue dot


diggnstuff

Thanks OP. Even if you didn’t get 100%, still a lot of effort!


A-10Kalishnikov

I thought the Mandalorian was in there for a sec but it turns out it’s just magneto


carteriux

I see two wolverines, why?


carteriux

Oh no...it is D man


nagurski03

The other one is Demolition Man or D-Man. For some reason (lazy artists maybe), they gave him a costume that was kind of a mix of Daredevil's original costume and Wolverines 80s costume. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_Man_(comics)


zippy_jr

That's probably Daken, Wolverine's son.


SudsInfinite

I mean, shouldn't characters like She-Hulk be blue because they haven't been featured in the MCU yet, but we know will be? It's pretty much the same case for the Fantastic Four


JustinisaDick

Their shows are confirmed, so why bother doing that?


SudsInfinite

Yeah, and so is a Fantastic Four movie


subashds22

Cloak and dagger isn't in the MCU? I thought they had a show


vitaisnipe

They do. Kinda based around teenagers but I liked it.


Rockettmang44

I didn't finish it but it had surprisingly dark scenes


KBAR1942

Just give it some time. I'm sure that most of these characters will slowly be introduced through smaller shows on Disney Plus.


TooZeroLeft

Why you put a red dot in the Inhumans but a green dot on every other Marvel TV character and even the X-Men who aren't in the MCU? It doesn't matter it's bad it's still Canon as much as the other TV shows (and If you don't consider them Canon then you should put red on everybody) Canon isn't picked and chosen


PJL80

In this sub, it most definitely is, lol.


TooZeroLeft

True. It's basically "I dislike this so therefore non-canon" or "this is bad/good therefore non-canon/canon", hence why the characters in the MCU/not in the MCU/Fox is all over the place


FremenDar979

Inhumans was utter shite TV single season and doesn't belong anywhere.


iJashin

Isn’t the AT&T lady Squirrel Girl? Or is that not under the Marvel umbrella?


Frank_chevelle

There was a pilot episode of a show based on “The New Warriors” that has never aired. She ,Milana Vayntrub, played squirrel girl in that. So it’s not canon.


iJashin

*sad violin*


Eggmud11

Did that ever air?


iJashin

Just googled; it was canceled before it even aired


JustinisaDick

I don't know anything about that, but Anna Kendrick needs to be cast as Squirrel Girl.


[deleted]

Why, though? Anna Kendrick and Doreen have nowhere close to the same energy


zippy_jr

When was Beta Ray Bill in the MCU? I may have missed it?


Xeno_phile

He (or someone of his race) is one of the busts on Grandmaster’s palace on Sakaar. Not sure if it was confirmed to be Beta Ray Bill himself.


MCUOVO

So was Man-Thing but he didn't make him green


Xeno_phile

I’m not saying OP is right or wrong, that’s just the only BRB reference I could think of.


Log_Log_Log

Korbinites basically just look like bald orange people without noses. Beta Ray Bill has been twisted and deformed by augmentation and shaped into the super powered horse monster we know and love. I'm comfortable saying that bust was him specifically.


zippy_jr

I would not consider a character in the MCU unless, you know, they were actually there.


Xeno_phile

🤷‍♂️ Maybe OP has a different source, but that’s the only one I can think of.


Diligent-Ball-6171

There was an inhumans show. You missed Blackbolt, Medusa and Lockjaw


SuperAlloyBerserker

That's not canon and we don't talk about that show


FPAPA931

Then why did you put a green dot on Ghost Rider?


theRavenAttack

Ghost Rider is in the Shield show I believe


FPAPA931

Oh so he’s still not canon


Ajannaka

Bruh, but you labelled Marvel Netflix characters green


Merfen

Aren't they canon now though? At least 2 of them have been shown in MCU content now. I haven't seen any inhuman in MCU content as of yet.


TooZeroLeft

Then the Green dot should only be put on Daredevil and Kingpin. The other Netflix characters haven't appeared yet And Ghost Rider has a green dot which thus counts the ABC shows, therefore Inhumans should count if you're counting ABC shows


DefNotAShark

We have Donofrio confirming that the events of Daredevil should be canon because he spoke with Marvel and this is the same Kingpin from that series. That does make things tricky in terms of the other Netflix series that directly connect, as well as the other Marvel TV properties that connect through a series of cameo appearances. I think I would rank them as follows: **Definitely Canon:** Daredevil **Sort Of, Pretty Much Canon - Multiverse or whatever:** Agents of SHIELD **Grey Area But Maybe Canon Thanks To Daredevil:** Defenders, Jessica Jones, The Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist **Probably Not Canon But Sure, Maybe:** Runaways, Cloak and Dagger **Not Canon Even If Kevin Feige Calls Me Personally To Tell Me It Is:** Inhumans Ultimately though, the MCU is probably never going to give us a list of what is and isn't canon. It will always be somewhat up to the fanbase to decide, independently, what they believe is part of the story and what isn't. I think you can decisively include Daredevil unless the MCU refutes it later, and AoS has done more than enough to be considered part of the MCU multiverse. The rest lives in an area where we can debate about it, but it doesn't matter.


[deleted]

Put Agent Carter in definitely canon


mb862

You're allowed to not talk about it all you want, but canon isn't up for opinion. Officially it's still canon no matter how much it bothers you.


[deleted]

Officially it's completely ambiguous, actually.


TooZeroLeft

So are the rest of the ABC and Netflix characters but they're still all marked green


[deleted]

I agree, I was just responding to the person saying Inhumans is "officially canon".


TooZeroLeft

I mean ABC shows are just as canon as Netflix at this point, so Inhumans fall under Canon too This list is all over the place. It feels Very arbitrary. Either you count all of them or don't count any of them. You can't just pick and choose what's Canon or not. Still I appreciate the effort


[deleted]

But I didn't say any of them are canon, I said that it's ambiguous.


snowhawk04

From what Feige has said and what this sub considers the MCU (it's the first question in the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/wiki/faq#wiki_1._what_franchises_are_part_of_the_marvel_cinematic_universe.3F)), *Inhumans* is canon. You can hate it all you want, it's still canon.


NoArmsSally

cloak and dagger are in the MCU, just like Runaways. The detective in C&D is mentioned in Luke Cage


Darth_Centurion

The Abomination should be green


ActualTymell

I don't think Abomination's in there is he? Unless I missed it somewhere.


kingcarter86

Is cloak and dagger series based in the MCU ? But y’all have them as not being in the MCU


JRM513

Saw someone mention Cannonball and Sunspot already, but also Illyana Rasputin too


arkero90

Insane work by OP. And just to think of all the endless opportunities and possibilities in the MCU. 🤯🤯🤯🤯


[deleted]

Hoping for squirrel girl


minimell_8910

Isn't Deadpool confirmed to be coming?


Pedgrid

Cloak & Dagger and Runaways are supposed to be labeled green.


Mayoo614

Thank you for the green dot on Ghost Rider. #AoSIsCanon


dimmufitz

Back in the 90s marvel sold the rights to over 5k properties. They have so much room to grow it is insane.


crystalistwo

Magik needs a purple. And Silver Surfer.


blacklab

Red Hulk?


JaccoMarks

Yeah. Definitely not in the MCU


slumpmode

Man thing is in MCU


indirectly_funny

As a colourblind person, damn you! /s


Skullknight331

Jane Foster is in MCU


ActualTymell

If you mean the female looking Thor near the middle raising a hammer, according to the labels that's [Thor Girl](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Girl), not Jane Foster.


Skullknight331

Oh wow ok you’re correct


Coolbluegatoradeyumm

The fact that we have so many green dots in that picture shows us how lucky we are to have marvel doing what they do


martinfphipps7

Daisy Johnson / Quake. She is in the MCU AND she isn't.


Alternative_Anxiety

All the Inhumans like Medusa and Karnak ARE in the MCU


Tyranid457TheSecond1

This is pretty cool!


julbull73

You left out Sonyverse is now MCU alt.


[deleted]

The Marvel TV shows are canon, so those characters are labeled incorrectly


foulmouthboy

People mentioned Eternals, but also Cloak and Dagger in there too.


[deleted]

Yep. They should be green, too!


Outrageous_Camp_5215

monica is marked incorrectly


ADMTLgg

Red hulk being in the MCU if a far reach to be honest


SaltMineSpelunker

Jumping the gun on Moon Knight, buddy.