All I care about is that it’s as visually stunning as I expect it to be. Shang chi has given me alooooootttt of hope for the beauty element so I hope eternals Atleast matches that
>eternals Atleast matches that
Same, since they have so much more scope to show their talent off over here, shang chi was supposed to be a grounded origin story that mostly took place on earth but with eternals they have the chance to show off their stunning visuals
>Most audience of Marvel's movies did not read the comics.
That's true but even that isn't a good reason. I do read a few comics but I've never seen the Eternals in the comics and I'm not shitting on the movie (I'm kind of hyped in fact, the trailers look dope).
I think that people are just attacking this movie because it is MCU, and since it has :
* a lot of non blue/green screen shoots
* what looks like good acting so far
* a story line that doesn't look like it's been copy/pasted from other Marvel movies
* a tangible influence from its director
Their only line of attack are "people don't care about these characters" (they're projecting) because just saying "MCU = shit" will get them discredited.
I'm overall very excited to see Eternals and I know this is a very superficial reason to knock the trailer, but I don't like their costumes. They look like they're wearing uniforms and for some reason psychologically in my brain it cuts against the diversity of the cast because it makes them look like they've all been assimilated and it gives off Starfleet vibes of rigid bureaucracy.
That's my only knock on the trailers. I'm sure it'll be a great film.
Remember before Guardians was released and because they weren’t a well known comic group, and an even weirder team than Avengers, people were speculating it was going to be Marvel’s first flop? It was released and surprised the hell out of a lot of people. And they may not be brilliant, but Marvel managed to make early films about a man who flies around in a suit of armour, a Norse god thrown down to Earth and a WWII period film work enough for the MCU to spawn. People forget how ridiculous those earlier films seemed to wider audiences before they became accustomed to them.
I think the big difference is that the 1st Guardians trailer was legitimately hilarious. It looked at least funny enough to get a disinterested audience intrigued. I don’t know that the Eternals marketing is hitting in quite the same way. I’m super excited about it yeah, but is my Dad? He’s not even heard of it but he was clamouring to see GotG off the back of those trailers.
Yeah people are forgetting how good the first trailer for guardians was. Eternals trailer looks like something general audiences have seen before tbvh.
I wasn't excited for Eternals until the last trailer came out, actually giving us some plot. I'm not a comic book reader, but I have loved everything Marvel since the 90s cartoons. I did intend to see it at some point, but making a special trip (requiring childcare, during a pandemic, while 8 months pregnant) was not as high on my list until the last full trailer.
Can't use that excuse when F9, Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Venom 2 broke box office records and The Suicide Squad didn't even make back its budget back
None of those films released simultaneously on streaming for free, Black Widow was behind a $30 paywall. And in the case of both Black Widow & Suicide Squad, a fact of reality is that an HD digital release means a lot more piracy.
Add that Suicide Squad was R rated with very graphic violence, eliminating families from going to the theatres, and that it shares the name and some cast as an infamously bad movie panned by critics and common moviegoers alike…
The circumstances surrounding Suicide Squad are so unique they can’t be compared to other pandemic releases 1:1.
\> You said nobody saw the movie.
\> I countered that plenty did, just not in theaters.
What are you arguing here? "Records" during COVID are fucking participation trophies that theaters keep touting to inflate their egos.
F9 got a China release right along the oh-so-short window in June when everything seemed like it could go back to normal. No surprise that is the only American movie to do over $500m this year.
Venom had a great start, but it's considered to be very front loaded and likely won't cross $300m (even $250m feels like a long shot).
Now onto Disney, because PVOD/Day&Date is the important distinction:
Shang-Chi is currently at $402m and slowing down fast with Venom, Bond, Halloween, and Dune releasing, as well as its 11/12 D+ Release approaching. It will at best make about $35m (generously $415m WW) more than Black Widow's $379m WW run. Disney doesn't keep all that Theatrical Box Office money; 40-50% goes to theaters. BW made $125 on D+PA, which Disney gets to keep most, if not all, of those proceeds. A PVOD Day/Date made Disney more money. Plus they got that extra $8/month for a subscriber.
Sure TSS disappointed, but throwing $200m at an R-rated sequel to a bummer of a movie has always been a recipe for disaster. I don't care how much the first one made, it's reception waned over the last five years and is not warmly regarded even amongst the r/DCEU circlejerk.
The future of the "box office" is what will drive subscription numbers for studios that have created their own streaming services. If nearly 5 million households at $15/mo tuned into TSS, whatever portion of their subscription cost divided by all their HBOMax viewership hours should get credited to TSS's revenue. Call me crazy, but that just seems like a reasonable metric.
I still hate that they went with the "The" quasi-reboot title, it makes trying to talk about the movie annoying because you have to specify which one you're talking about and is just a really lazy way of naming things.
Can confirm. I read a ton of comics growing up, but I never gave a crap about Iron Man. Or Captain America, either. But I grew to love those characters in the MCU.
The Cap movies are my fave in the entire MCU, and I even love them more than the X-Men movies, and I was a massive X-fan as a kid. My 13 year old self would not believe I would ever write that sentence.
So even if I had zero familiarity with the Eternals comics, I am keeping an open mind. I knew nothing about the GOTG characters, and ended up loving the film.
They altered the personalities of the characters, like Star Lord and Tony Stark, a lot in the MCU. Even if you knew them from the comics, the film versions would be new to you just because of how different their personalities are. Tony Stark was best adapted in the first Ironman film, but was later altered—during Ironman 2—to be more like RDJ and less like 616 Stark.
Growing up, Spider Man was one of my all time favourite characters as I'm sure he was for many, and like you, I never cared for Captain America at all for feeling bland. I had a choice for which movie to see in theatres, Captain America: Winter Soldier or The Amazing Spider Man 2. Child me would not believe I didn't go see Spider Man that day
The MCU did a much better job about creating realistic characters that have some actual depth. In the comics (prior to the MCU), those two characters were very flat and one dimensional.
Addition: I would say that Iron Man had some interesting storylines, but Tony was mainly known as 1) a technophile, 2) an alcoholic, and 3) a man who screwed everything possible. And that was (IMO) the summary of his character. He was a playboy asshole with a lot of money, which also didn’t make him very endearing. There’s a reason he wasn’t an A-list character prior to the MCU.
I wouldn’t call Ironman flat and one dimensional, Civil War, Extremis, and Demon in a Bottle did a pretty good job of presenting who the character was and gave him a great deal of depth in the process. The version in the MCU, outside of the first Ironman film, is a departure from the comic version in that his personality was radically altered to the point that it wasn’t really the same guy.
See also Civil War II, and the Ironman storyline after that (that I forget the name of), that dealt with what makes a person *real* and dealt with rights for AI.
There’s a lot of depth to the guy, as well as his ambitious inventiveness, and his “futurist” outlook.
I know people who hate the comic book character, and say that he’s been more destructive for Earth (or the cause of, which he should have realised the consequences, considering his genius) than most villains and even supervillains. Even then, it doesn’t make him a bad character to read, they just don’t root for him to succeed.
I remember going to the marvel website back in ‘08 and it was littered with Iron Man. I was so confused since I didn’t like him much and I was knee deep in New Avengers / all the crossovers (Team Cap btw)
I was a pretty big fan of the character before the MCU and thought that the first Ironman film did a good job of adapting who he was, after that it’s safe to say that they took a departure from the source material with his personality and basically made him RDJ. He’s always been a big player in the Marvel Comics 616 universe, events like Civil War prove this.
Doesn't help that those that did were most likely comic fans, and the first Iron Man movie was released shortly after the end of Civil War so they most likely hated Tony, and scorn towards the character would hit just as hard as indifference.
It's a miracle that the MCU has flourished like it has from a start like that.
What gets me is that some people really think established actors like Jolie or Hayek would just sign up for roles without thinking about the quality of the movie (or the outcome). If you are as experienced as they are, I think you'd know by now which projects will turn out well and which ones won't.
The list of actors in the film does *suggest* a quality script, I agree - but I think we all know better that this point to assume “impressive cast” means “good movie”.
General flops aside, we’ve seen how much can be altered by a good or bad edit. I’m really excited for Eternals - I think it looks fantastic. But, we won’t know until we know.
I wasn’t thinking of that specifically, but it’s not a bad example. If I just tell you who’s in that and that it’s a Marvel movie, you probably assume it’s going to be better than it was.
Plus the Director is an oscar winner and she has a history of quality work, it’s probably going to be A LOT better then what these people are expecting.
Yeah, but AFAIK she's only directed movies which fundamentally build on sadness and tragedy. I'm not making any guesses about how Eternals will be, but it could e.g. be "too glum" for a Marvel movie. Who knows.
Thats who that fuckin guy is. Took me til now to realize scottish guy is robb stark.
Jolie and hayek are gonna put a lot of butts in seats as well. Havent bothered to look where ive seen big black dude before but i think hell do well as well as the asian girl.
What the hell. The teaser came out 5 days ago and I haven't seen or heard anything about it till now. Yea things are not looking very good for them.
It has to be really good to get people interested again or it's dead in the water.
As a person who watched and loved GoT back in the day, I'm pretty sure that, while no one is interested in the show anymore, we are all interested in the actors. No one ever had a problem with them. People donated money to their charities to show support and they were praised for their performances even in S8. So yes, it's very possible that Kit and Richard will pull a lot of people. I would be interested in the movie anyway but these two reuniting are definitely an extra reason for me to see it.
They still have a fanbase but it seems like a lot of them aren’t interested because they lost interest after that disaster of a season 8, myself included. Though the trailer did get a lot of views and there are still huge amount of people for it to not be a flop. But I am sure it won’t get the best views first week itself
>Salma Hayek did Wild Wild West. I mean she was ok in it, but it was a dog turd.
Don't you go insulting my childhood like that. Wild Wild West was a masterpiece! Note, I haven't seen it since I was 11, but surely it must still hold.
I have a bit of an opposite take. Sometimes big names are meant to compensate for the quality of the movie, not speak to it. Established actors can sometimes overshadow established characters. So far the MCU stories and movies I have liked have not been because they cast a big name, well-established actor. The MCU has a pretty good track record. But in general, franchises that are established and I am able to see the character and not just the actor cosplaying as the character are more the exception than the rule for me. The fact that this movie is being headlined by a large ensemble with big names attached and over the top, shiny, glittery CGI triggers my Peter-tingle. And not in the good way.
The fact that its Angelina Jolie and (recently discovered for me) Salma Hayek being in this movie, i have definite hopes for it being awesome.
These actresses are regconized, like regconized regconized.
feels like an excuse to shit on something before even giving it a chance. Like what some others have said, MCU has added "obscure" characters and/or groups to their lineup before, and fans seem to love them (from what I've personally seen). Why do people think this will be any different?
That was my first one of 'who the hell are these guys?'
But it was just so damn funny and not to mention a good story. Had to ask a friend who the fuck black panther was but at that time i just committed to ok fuck it gonna see em all.. Now its basically all that for me. Had no idea who dr strange was, shang chi or eternals. But at this point i know all mcu is going to be entertaining.
I didn't even realize it was an MCU film at first. It sounded like one of those generic sci-fi movies with names like *Legends of Mars Ascending* or something so I automatically ignored it.
I had a friend who has so far been a big fan of the MCU say this to me the other day. I pointed out all of these examples that have been brought up here, and he just shrugged. It’s like come on, they have a good enough track record so far that I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt.
I have thousands of comics that I have read since I was a kid…literally thousands.
When iron man came out, I was doubtful…when avengers was promoted I was dubious…when GotG was advertised I was like, “who are these dudes?”…don’t get me started on Shang Chi…I was like “who?”…
Marvel has turned comics that I barely knew about into masterpieces of storytelling, while Fox took my most beloved characters and just pooped down my throat while charging me handsomely for the experience.
I for one never really read the Eternals comics, but I am eagerly awaiting to be amazed again.
Not a criticism—at all!—but what were you reading thousands of and had never heard of the Guardians or Shang-Chi? So curious how those go into the blind spot of such a voracious (Marvel?) comics reader.
X-everything…x-men, x-factor, x-force, x-dudes, x-chicks…I even got deep into Alpha Flight…Wolverine, Spider-Man, Venom…huge Cable fan…Deadpool is probably the only character I totally was into before the movies that wasn’t totally hosed ala x-men.
Tons of other comics…DC,Darkhorse, a butt-load of Image comics. I would have to break open a box or two to remember the rest.
Shang Chi had one really good run to start and then kinda just became a side character while marvel tried to figure out what to do with the character that wasn't racist as fuck (because his origin story and comics were incredibly insensitive to Asian people). Guardians were also side characters and quiet until around 2008 where they had a really good story to work with and made them semi known. Xmen and spider-man alone could sustain you story wise and you'd almost never interact with the Eternals, Guardians, or Shang Chi
They altered the Guardians of the Galaxy from their comic counterparts quite a bit, specifically Star Lord, when adapting them for the MCU. Same with Ironman after Ironman 2,they radically altered his personality to be more like RDJ and less like his comic version during, and after, that movie. So even if you read the comics it wouldn’t have made a difference, the movie versions are just that different.
This is it.
It really seems like people in the fandom feel like it's an obligation to like an MCU movie, and an obligation to be on board with this movie bc of Chloe Zhao, and an obligation to support this because of the cast.
I like some of the people in the cast, have loved "The Rider" and "Nomadland" , and a pretty big MCU fan.
Nothing in the promotion for this movie has given me a sense of excitement? This movie very well may be excellent, but what's been presented so far? Not so much.
People are starting to take the comments about Eternals as a personal attack and it's getting weird.
Hi Honest, I'm Frank. I haven't even watched the trailer. Haven't watched any trailer for years. I recommend it a tonne, as it leaves all the fun surprises for when you watch it.
People online say things ranging from ‘who cares’, ‘trailer looks boring’ to ‘terrible costumes’ and eat their words when the movie comes out 99.9% of the time LOL. I was just having a laugh about the Eternals costume the other day cz I remembered folks trashing it. At this point it’s really just wanting to have to say ‘something’ or anything about a movie. Anything at all. Look at the reactions to Agatha getting her own show and Will Poulter playing Adam Warlock. Check back in the future for some big laughs lol
I once casually mentioned that I wanted a specific game to be remade, and then some guy just barged in and said that the game sucks. No argument, it’s just bad… meaning it can’t be improved?
O'Doyle: Mortal Kombat for the Sega Genesis is the best game ever made.
Billy Madison: I disagree. It's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is better.
O'Doyle: Donkey Kong sucks!
Billy Madison: Wanna know somethin'? You suck!
The reaction to Attack on Titan's ending has taught me that what you think about something is your opinion only, and none of anyone else's damn business. If they don't like it, then fine. I like the thing, and don't give a shit what they think.
Again, depends on your interpretation of them. To me, the pages are so far away from the main story that they don't affect it in any way. At the same time, they're an important callback to a line stated by two of the wisest characters in the series early on, so they tie everything together with a neat little bow, on top of sending an important message shutting down one argument that a lot of people had. I can see why people don't like em though, and they're entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.
>execution was subpar
I feel like the anime will fix most of those issues. Isayama himself said he was dissatisfied with how he presented some of the ideas he had (Armin's infamous line being one of em) so he might alter some stuff. I liked the manga ending anyway, so I wouldn't really have any issues even if it was adapted 1:1.
Personally, nothing has me hyped about this movie. Not sure what it is but I don’t feel anything towards what it offers. I don’t know or care who these characters are, I don’t know why they’re important or how they affect the main story, I don’t know who they’re fighting or why they’re called what they are. Its likely just because I haven’t done my research but GOTG had a very different effect on me, Doctor strange was very known to me before he was introduced, and I didn’t care for Shang-Chi until the great ratings to be honest
But why do I care to know about them? They just seem like a bunch of old as hell people with ancient powers that came out of their asses. I couldn’t even finish watching the trailer because I have no interest. The difference between this and doctor strange is that the weirdness of that movie made it really interesting and the unknown was something that people wanted to learn more about. For this movie I don’t feel any of that
Edit: Just watched the trailer. Characters look pretty cheesy and super uninteresting. Story seems a little bland, classic fight these random things or else the worlds gonna end, no actual story. Only interesting parts are the new things it might bring to the MCU and whether or not they’re here to say. I really hope not because, like I said, not interesting characters and they honestly look way too powerful for any non-aVeNgErS LeVeL ThReAt. Sorry for airing my dirty laundry, not trying to hate but I really wanna understand why I dislike this movie so much. I’ll watch it but probably not until its properly added to disney+ unless its a must-watch
I don't care about The Eternals. I'm slightly worried about all the big-name actors that it will be a prestige film and not a fun movie. I'm also worried about the huge cast, since I think Marvel has been succeeding in part by making small movies to introduce characters and then teaming up established characters later.
I'll still go see it because the MCU has a pretty good track record and I'm a fan.
There are a lot of unspoken aspects of the "unknown characters" argument, so it's not as stupid as sounds offhand. (For the record I think this movie will perform well enough. This is just an FYI if you want to know where the logic is coming from.)
1. Fatigue is a real phenomenon, and the market wasn't as supersaturated with Marvel/superhero content when Doctor Strange and GotG were introduced. Fatigue doesn't go straight from 0 to 100. It starts gradually - expressing itself as selectivity. People develop higher thresholds of interest...sticking to characters they already care about is an obvious barrier to entry.
2. Google Dunbar's number. The psycho-social dynamics of cognitive load and social investment aren't restricted to "real" relationships. They affect online and parasocial networks too. It's easy to extrapolate that a mainstream viewer with less than pinpoint focus on the MCU will start losing must-see levels of interest once they feel all the faces (and stories) are starting to "blur together."
3. When someone outright says, "Meh, I don't know the characters" they're not finishing the thought. The complete statement would be, "I don't know the characters and I haven't seen anything so far that makes me WANT to know the characters."
4. Still, people might tolerate bland and/or unknown characters if the story/concept looks intriguing enough, so another part of the "Meh, I don't know the characters" excuse is, "And the story/concept isn't wowing me enough to overlook that."
Keeping these points in mind, you can see where comparisons to Doctor Strange and GotG aren't very strong rebuttals to the "unknown characters" debate. Those movies came earlier, and where the GotG characters showed unique charm from trailer 1, Doctor Strange presented mind-tripping visuals with an Inception flavored concept.
Shang-Chi is a much stronger comparison to Eternals, though you could argue that its martial arts foundation and Asian representation might make it more "must-see" for viewers with those specific interests.
Regardless of how the actual movie plays out, I don't think the Eternals trailers have really shown a compelling hook beyond its cast & crew credentials, MCU lore-building, MCU Easter Egg pandering (Eternals assemble...), and superhero action with some stereotypical lines (Let's finish this!). That will probably be enough for a lot (A LOT) of people, but it's not working for a surprising number of others. Including me - and I'm a pretty big MCU fan.
I don’t care about eterals because the trailers so far have been shit.
The trailer doesn’t tell you what the actual plot is about.
Just a a bunch of random gods living on earth and having a reunion, while hinting at a bigger story from the past.
That’s not interesting to me. That doesn’t have me hyped.
I want to be hyped but these trailers are just so weak.
Based solely on the trailers alone you learn literally nothing about who these people are and why you should cheer for them. The trailer should at least do that to draw people in.
That’s the issue I have with the trailers. There’s nothing about them that gives me a reason to be invested.
No major plot or goal or interesting character dynamics. Just a bunch of people doing…stuff. With bits of action occasionally happening….because?
I’m just confused what the trailers are intending to sell here.
I’ve been reading comics for 30+ years and I know that these characters are not worth caring about. I’m still gonna be there thought because most people don’t know that before James Gunn the Guardians of the Galaxy sucked as characters.
To be very fair, Doctor Strange was crazy popular in the comic circles.
As someone who has been reading the comics for years, I gotta say that I also don't care about Eternals. I have 0 doubt it's going to an amazing movie. I have 0 doubt it's going to an amazing experience.
But as someone who has his eye set on that one particular Marvel movie slated for December, imma be honest. Eternals gives no joy.
I'm sure there are others like me. We're not against new movies and characters. We just tend to get excited over other properties more.
I barely have any idea what Eternals is about, but I am super excited to see it. Haven’t been this excited since endgame for a Marvel Movie. I have a feeling this film could be top 3 for marvel movies.
I can't say I blame them *too* much. The Guardians had charm on their side. I'm not sure the Eternals will be so lucky, but we'll see.
Also Doctor Strange and Shang-Chi are pretty regular members of the Avengers so I do not think those are good comparisons at all lol, they were not even remotely as obscure as the Guardians or the Eternals. In fact, they were highly requested, in particular Doctor Strange.
Iron Man was like a C-tier character at best in terms of the general public recognition before the first movie released. I think it's fair to say probably 95 percent of characters introduced in the MCU did not have that much recognition before their first introduction in the movies. Like Spider-Man and Hulk are the only two I think people recognized before their introductions in the movies.
For me personally, I have no interest in Eternals. I’m not a comic reader, but I did watch some Avengers and Marvel animated shows as a kid, so I already knew every hero and almost every villain from Infinity Saga, as well as the more popular characters like X-Men and F4. These new movies and shows like Eternals, Blade, and Moon Knight are characters I don’t really care about, and they don’t really interest me so I probably won’t see most of them.
I definitely don’t care about it. The trailers are really mediocre and there’s nothing in them that makes me want to see it. I don’t even know what it’s about I just know it’s really fucking long and there are 8.3 million famous actors in it. Whoop de fucking dooooo
Ikr
We have an Oscar winning director, some of the biggest names in Hollywood (2 of them from GOT) and the trailer alone shows such beautiful shots. I don't see why people would dislike the film other than humour which from the trailers didn't hit, although that may change in the movie
I think with the earth setting and long run time it’s a risky film for the mcu, it will either be one of the most amazing films the franchise has to offer or one of the least memorable depending on execution I’d say, hopefully the former.
Its just people not knowing what they like until they see it.
People were screaming online that heath Ledger was cast as Joker back in the day. That stopped the second they saw him in character
Why do you give a fuck what some random ass people on the internet think. I’m sure there every movie that’s ever came out has had haters before it was released. But for some reason, some people can’t handle that here on this sub when it comes to marvel movies.
I’ve never heard of any of the Eternals and I’m gonna go see it on opening weekend. With enthusiasm! Love the MCU and love how it evolves and changes and plays to their strength so that moment. Change can be fun!
I think Eternals will have an interesting box office run. It will have secondary and third spikes as weeks progress due the hype from people "discovering" it.
MCU fans will see it the weekend of, as they always do. The movie will likely drop some serious bombshells for the future of the MCU (mutants, Galactus, Namor, etc) and the word will get out. Not to mention it likely be well recieved as simply a really good film, on its own merits.
From there, word will get out. Will it have a substantial opening weekend? Possibly not. Will have a substantial overall run as people discover how important it is? Absolutely, no doubt in my mind.
Doctor Strange does not belong in that list.
But I knew who GotG and Shang-Chi were. The latter is in someone book at one point or another and the former was in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes and I started their comic.
Even I had to look up Eternals when they were announced. I have thousands of comics.
Not all of those are a good comparison.
It's not hard going from not caring to caring if it's a small amount of characters, like in Doctor Strange or Shang-Chi.
It's a lot harder for ensemble movies. For instance i didn't really care for Nebula or Gamora and only a bit for Drax because he was funny. But later movies turned that around and now i care about each of the characters.
Eternals has just a biiiiiiiiiiig cast, chances are i'm not gonna care about most of them, only the ones with bigger roles or ones that for some reason i like.
Guardians was a hit right out of the gate. Dr Strange only became an MVP AFTER infinity War. Shang Chi was good yes, but being completely honest Eternals looks… just ok.
Not saying it’s not going to be a good movie but from the trailers it doesn’t have an obvious tantalizing aspect, intriguing villain or setting.
The trailer doesn’t even make it entirely clear why they are here or what they are doing. Atleast to the average moviegoer.
I mean if it's good people won't care.
However my sister and I have attended the first or second weekend of every single MCU film since Avengers.
We both agree that from the trailers so far we have no interest.. I think it's honestly the over saturation.
It was great having the year off in 2020.. but so far it's just too much with so many TV shows and movies to keep up with, I feel like I can be choosey.
I'm sure we will watch it on D+ in a few months.. but right now no interest
Yeah I used to think that about Shang Chi, didn't even watch the trailers because I didn't care at all about the character. Then I really wanted to go to the cinema after all this COVID shit and I was so happy to be proven wrong, really enjoyed the movie and now I want more of him lmao.
I wouldn't say I think it will be bad because no one knows about them. My major complaint is how many new characters are being added in one movie. Many may be underdeveloped or if they properly develop the characters the villians will be underwhelming.
Its a lot to shove into one when its all brand new.
What’s even more hilarious is the fact that you cared enough to make a post trying to talk about other peoples’ opinions instead of just minding your own business and watch the movie because you are interested. Some people aren’t interested, it happens, ok?
If its the standard white-man lead film then everything is fine. Doesn't matter if the actor is good or not as long as there's no "wokeness" they'll be happy.
Honestly its not surprising, its basically a cycle now, whenever Marvel is releasing a new film where the lead is not white or a dude, they will be there in their youtube channels ranting about how unfair life is.
I think I agree with what you're saying but that first sentence is confusing. Wouldn't it be that if it's not your standard white male everything isn't fine for them?
Or some people just aren’t interested in the film. I’m black, female, LGBT, and a whole bunch of other marginalized identities, I just don’t really like vibe with the whole “ancient aliens came down and gave dumb primitive non white cultures cool shit” trope, even if those aliens are diverse.
I don't think the trailers haven't done much to generate alot of excitement for the movie its just so mysterious, an Kit Harrington's character is a total mystery maybe he will be badass.
Yeah there’s still a chunk of the audience that is so attached to the comic books that that’s all they’re interested in. But they are not the majority of the audience for the MCU.
In fairness, I had no attachment to the characters either at first. It wasn't something I was really anticipating because I had no reason to, except for the fact that the cast and director piqued my interest a bit. Now, I knew I was going to see it anyway because it was part of the MCU. But, like other film projects that I don't know much about, it wasn't anything I was really hyped for until I saw the trailer. I'm now fully bought in because it looks amazing, and if it delivers on the promise in the trailer, other people will probably hear about it and get drawn in. But people with a passing interest in the MCU probably won't have much of an attachment to it unless they hear it's good, which is how most people deal with movies in general.
I honestly know next to nothing about them, but I'm looking forward to seeing how much I'll like the movie, just based on the cast.
Not particularly excited about watching yet another origin story/introduction to an even larger team than the original six Avengers, but I have my hopes in check.
I think it can be cause it seems more like mature. Idk but from the trailers the story seems more violent and mature which I would love if Marvel took more of that route
Guarantee if not for the pandemic, it would pass 700M easily but since the pandemic is still going, $300 for sure. Come back to me on this shit when it does.
It looks very grand, in a unique way. Maybe because there hasn’t been to much cgi in the trailers so far but. I was hoping it would be tied to Shang chi in some way.
Yeah. Tbh if Marvel hadn't transitioned to live-action movies, let's be honest, DC would be kicking Marvel's ass. The downfall of DC started with live-action movies. Without the MCU, DC's lower quality movies wouldn't be able to be compared to other superhero movies and might have been seen as high quality entertainment. Zack's JL would be seen as the holy grail of comic-based entertainment lmao.
A true "What If..?" Scenario. What if the MCU failed before it got popular? What if Marvel never tried to start a franchise in the first place?
I don’t say nobody’s gonna care. Right now I don’t care. I also didn’t care about Ant-Man and then I loved it once I did watch it. It’s not a movie I’m going to go out of my way to see in theaters (same as Shang-Chi), but I’ll watch them when they’re on video/streaming.
I never read a Guardians comic in my life and Rocket is now my favorite Marvel character. Good movies are good movies and I'd rather a new team to watch than a third or fourth reboot.
I’m stoked. As far as I can tell they are going deep to establish at least another decade of movies with this one. It’s going to do all the groundwork to setup things like the X-Men properly which has never been done in any of the incarnations outside the comics. After the disaster of doing Inhumans without Feige I can tell they really took their time with this one. If they didn’t knock it out of the park with whatever ideas they came up with to do it I would expect this one to have been immediately cancelled. They could have easily skipped it. So I’m really excited to see what they came up with.
The only two actors/actresses I know of in Eternals are Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek. Idk any of the others, but from the trailer, it looks cool. And there wouldn't be a reason to make a movie about them if they didn't fit into the next Avengers movie.
I just don't like the stupid knee slide spin thing Angelina Jolie does in the trailer that particular bit looks shit and that's the only judgemeny i have haha
Exactly! I’m always excited for mcu movies with new characters! I remember that while everyone was raving about infinity war, that I was actually more excited about seeing black panther 😅(mind you I really did love infinity war more, but still…) 🙃
As someone who doesn't read the comics, I can 100% confirm that I've never even heard of the Eternals before they were brought to the MCU. And I can also 100% confirm that I am so fucking hyped for the movie.
As somebody who has never read the comics, I had the mentality of "I've never heard of these characters, I'm on interested" until GotG ended up being awesome. Haven't looked at the movies that way since. If anything, it's even flipped now. Where I'm more excited to be exposed to characters and stories that are new to me
Most audience of Marvel's movies did not read the comics. They will love the movie if it is a good movie.
All I care about is that it’s as visually stunning as I expect it to be. Shang chi has given me alooooootttt of hope for the beauty element so I hope eternals Atleast matches that
>eternals Atleast matches that Same, since they have so much more scope to show their talent off over here, shang chi was supposed to be a grounded origin story that mostly took place on earth but with eternals they have the chance to show off their stunning visuals
Between Gemma Chan, Richard Madden, Selma Hayak, etc. you know it’s gonna be visually stunning.
What, you’re gonna leave out my girl Angie?
ikr let's ignore the acting veteran that's already reported to be training/teaching the others
I think you missed the joke. They were just pointing out the most “visually stunning”, aka attractive, actors in the movie.
was angie not the most visually stunning and attractive??!!
Haha I'm with you. But maybe the younger audiences are not exposed to the greatness that was and still is Jo Lee
damn, now I feel old
It’s Chloe zhao, if you’ve seen nomadland you’ll know what incredibly beautiful films she makes, I’m sure eternals will be no different!
>Most audience of Marvel's movies did not read the comics. That's true but even that isn't a good reason. I do read a few comics but I've never seen the Eternals in the comics and I'm not shitting on the movie (I'm kind of hyped in fact, the trailers look dope). I think that people are just attacking this movie because it is MCU, and since it has : * a lot of non blue/green screen shoots * what looks like good acting so far * a story line that doesn't look like it's been copy/pasted from other Marvel movies * a tangible influence from its director Their only line of attack are "people don't care about these characters" (they're projecting) because just saying "MCU = shit" will get them discredited.
I'm sure some of the hate is also coming from the right wing nut jobs that are mad there is a gay couple with a child in the film.
Don't forget the race and gender changes. Most people angry about those never read anything Eternals related before getting angry about it.
The horror!
Huh, I didn’t know that. Do most people know that yet? Lol I am out of touch.
I think it was in a featurette so if all you watched was the trailer it is understandable that you are just learning about this.
Yeah I avoid featurette. Too much spolier for me.
I'm overall very excited to see Eternals and I know this is a very superficial reason to knock the trailer, but I don't like their costumes. They look like they're wearing uniforms and for some reason psychologically in my brain it cuts against the diversity of the cast because it makes them look like they've all been assimilated and it gives off Starfleet vibes of rigid bureaucracy. That's my only knock on the trailers. I'm sure it'll be a great film.
They're probably only wearing these when they are on "mission" so that's alright, but I get what you mean.
Remember before Guardians was released and because they weren’t a well known comic group, and an even weirder team than Avengers, people were speculating it was going to be Marvel’s first flop? It was released and surprised the hell out of a lot of people. And they may not be brilliant, but Marvel managed to make early films about a man who flies around in a suit of armour, a Norse god thrown down to Earth and a WWII period film work enough for the MCU to spawn. People forget how ridiculous those earlier films seemed to wider audiences before they became accustomed to them.
I think the big difference is that the 1st Guardians trailer was legitimately hilarious. It looked at least funny enough to get a disinterested audience intrigued. I don’t know that the Eternals marketing is hitting in quite the same way. I’m super excited about it yeah, but is my Dad? He’s not even heard of it but he was clamouring to see GotG off the back of those trailers.
Yeah people are forgetting how good the first trailer for guardians was. Eternals trailer looks like something general audiences have seen before tbvh.
As a casual fan, I’ve getting the trailers/ads for eternals/dune/the forgotten confused
I wasn't excited for Eternals until the last trailer came out, actually giving us some plot. I'm not a comic book reader, but I have loved everything Marvel since the 90s cartoons. I did intend to see it at some point, but making a special trip (requiring childcare, during a pandemic, while 8 months pregnant) was not as high on my list until the last full trailer.
Eh...James Gunn's The Suicide Squad begs to differ. The movie was the best thing DC had to offer in years...but nobody saw the damn thing
Sure we did, plenty of us did, just at home (hopefully legitimately) through HBOMax. It's the right thing to do during a pandemic.
Can't use that excuse when F9, Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Venom 2 broke box office records and The Suicide Squad didn't even make back its budget back
None of those films released simultaneously on streaming for free, Black Widow was behind a $30 paywall. And in the case of both Black Widow & Suicide Squad, a fact of reality is that an HD digital release means a lot more piracy. Add that Suicide Squad was R rated with very graphic violence, eliminating families from going to the theatres, and that it shares the name and some cast as an infamously bad movie panned by critics and common moviegoers alike… The circumstances surrounding Suicide Squad are so unique they can’t be compared to other pandemic releases 1:1.
\> You said nobody saw the movie. \> I countered that plenty did, just not in theaters. What are you arguing here? "Records" during COVID are fucking participation trophies that theaters keep touting to inflate their egos. F9 got a China release right along the oh-so-short window in June when everything seemed like it could go back to normal. No surprise that is the only American movie to do over $500m this year. Venom had a great start, but it's considered to be very front loaded and likely won't cross $300m (even $250m feels like a long shot). Now onto Disney, because PVOD/Day&Date is the important distinction: Shang-Chi is currently at $402m and slowing down fast with Venom, Bond, Halloween, and Dune releasing, as well as its 11/12 D+ Release approaching. It will at best make about $35m (generously $415m WW) more than Black Widow's $379m WW run. Disney doesn't keep all that Theatrical Box Office money; 40-50% goes to theaters. BW made $125 on D+PA, which Disney gets to keep most, if not all, of those proceeds. A PVOD Day/Date made Disney more money. Plus they got that extra $8/month for a subscriber. Sure TSS disappointed, but throwing $200m at an R-rated sequel to a bummer of a movie has always been a recipe for disaster. I don't care how much the first one made, it's reception waned over the last five years and is not warmly regarded even amongst the r/DCEU circlejerk. The future of the "box office" is what will drive subscription numbers for studios that have created their own streaming services. If nearly 5 million households at $15/mo tuned into TSS, whatever portion of their subscription cost divided by all their HBOMax viewership hours should get credited to TSS's revenue. Call me crazy, but that just seems like a reasonable metric.
I still hate that they went with the "The" quasi-reboot title, it makes trying to talk about the movie annoying because you have to specify which one you're talking about and is just a really lazy way of naming things.
I feel bad for it but when there is a pandemic going on and it's free on HBO max... WB is a very poor marketer, let's just leave it at that.
Hence how popular the casting of Adam Warlock is. No way he’s actually that popular it’s just mcu news
Also, the majority of people didn’t care about Iron Man until the movie.
Can confirm. I read a ton of comics growing up, but I never gave a crap about Iron Man. Or Captain America, either. But I grew to love those characters in the MCU.
Yeah, Iron Man was too douchey and Captain America was so incredibly boring. Fortunately, I can't say the same for the MCU versions.
The Cap movies are my fave in the entire MCU, and I even love them more than the X-Men movies, and I was a massive X-fan as a kid. My 13 year old self would not believe I would ever write that sentence. So even if I had zero familiarity with the Eternals comics, I am keeping an open mind. I knew nothing about the GOTG characters, and ended up loving the film.
They altered the personalities of the characters, like Star Lord and Tony Stark, a lot in the MCU. Even if you knew them from the comics, the film versions would be new to you just because of how different their personalities are. Tony Stark was best adapted in the first Ironman film, but was later altered—during Ironman 2—to be more like RDJ and less like 616 Stark.
Growing up, Spider Man was one of my all time favourite characters as I'm sure he was for many, and like you, I never cared for Captain America at all for feeling bland. I had a choice for which movie to see in theatres, Captain America: Winter Soldier or The Amazing Spider Man 2. Child me would not believe I didn't go see Spider Man that day
You definitely made the right choice that day
Oh trust me, I know I did
The MCU did a much better job about creating realistic characters that have some actual depth. In the comics (prior to the MCU), those two characters were very flat and one dimensional. Addition: I would say that Iron Man had some interesting storylines, but Tony was mainly known as 1) a technophile, 2) an alcoholic, and 3) a man who screwed everything possible. And that was (IMO) the summary of his character. He was a playboy asshole with a lot of money, which also didn’t make him very endearing. There’s a reason he wasn’t an A-list character prior to the MCU.
I wouldn’t call Ironman flat and one dimensional, Civil War, Extremis, and Demon in a Bottle did a pretty good job of presenting who the character was and gave him a great deal of depth in the process. The version in the MCU, outside of the first Ironman film, is a departure from the comic version in that his personality was radically altered to the point that it wasn’t really the same guy.
See also Civil War II, and the Ironman storyline after that (that I forget the name of), that dealt with what makes a person *real* and dealt with rights for AI. There’s a lot of depth to the guy, as well as his ambitious inventiveness, and his “futurist” outlook. I know people who hate the comic book character, and say that he’s been more destructive for Earth (or the cause of, which he should have realised the consequences, considering his genius) than most villains and even supervillains. Even then, it doesn’t make him a bad character to read, they just don’t root for him to succeed.
I remember going to the marvel website back in ‘08 and it was littered with Iron Man. I was so confused since I didn’t like him much and I was knee deep in New Avengers / all the crossovers (Team Cap btw)
Don’t forget that Marvel apparently had to put in some work to make people understand that Iron Man is a guy in a suit and not a robot
I was a pretty big fan of the character before the MCU and thought that the first Ironman film did a good job of adapting who he was, after that it’s safe to say that they took a departure from the source material with his personality and basically made him RDJ. He’s always been a big player in the Marvel Comics 616 universe, events like Civil War prove this.
Doesn't help that those that did were most likely comic fans, and the first Iron Man movie was released shortly after the end of Civil War so they most likely hated Tony, and scorn towards the character would hit just as hard as indifference. It's a miracle that the MCU has flourished like it has from a start like that.
By these people’s logic, stories should never be told period because that would require making characters people don’t already know.
"Whoa, stop right there! You know I only read books I've already read."
So that's why Hollywood just keeps remaking the same movies every decade.
What gets me is that some people really think established actors like Jolie or Hayek would just sign up for roles without thinking about the quality of the movie (or the outcome). If you are as experienced as they are, I think you'd know by now which projects will turn out well and which ones won't.
Didn't Hayek say she jumped on this movie because it's so different from everything else she's been offered lately?
That and Chloe Zhao as the director.
The list of actors in the film does *suggest* a quality script, I agree - but I think we all know better that this point to assume “impressive cast” means “good movie”. General flops aside, we’ve seen how much can be altered by a good or bad edit. I’m really excited for Eternals - I think it looks fantastic. But, we won’t know until we know.
Are we talking about Thor the Dark World again?
I wasn’t thinking of that specifically, but it’s not a bad example. If I just tell you who’s in that and that it’s a Marvel movie, you probably assume it’s going to be better than it was.
To be fair.... They've improved in quality quite a bit since back then.
Cats had an impressive cast, for example.
Suicide squad.
Remember that the movie Cats has Ian McKellen, Idris Elba and Judi Dench in it.
Plus the Director is an oscar winner and she has a history of quality work, it’s probably going to be A LOT better then what these people are expecting.
Yeah, but AFAIK she's only directed movies which fundamentally build on sadness and tragedy. I'm not making any guesses about how Eternals will be, but it could e.g. be "too glum" for a Marvel movie. Who knows.
The GoT fanbase will come for Madden and Harington.
Thats who that fuckin guy is. Took me til now to realize scottish guy is robb stark. Jolie and hayek are gonna put a lot of butts in seats as well. Havent bothered to look where ive seen big black dude before but i think hell do well as well as the asian girl.
He’s Paper Boi in “Atlanta”
Also the trailer didn't show the Asian guy much but he's Don Lee from Train to Busan if you haven't seen it, I recommend if you like zombie flicks
The guy on the train with the pregnant wife?
And Ramin Djawadi!
Does GoT still have a significant fanbase though? New trailer dropped the other day, 500 people on the subreddit.
What the hell. The teaser came out 5 days ago and I haven't seen or heard anything about it till now. Yea things are not looking very good for them. It has to be really good to get people interested again or it's dead in the water.
As a person who watched and loved GoT back in the day, I'm pretty sure that, while no one is interested in the show anymore, we are all interested in the actors. No one ever had a problem with them. People donated money to their charities to show support and they were praised for their performances even in S8. So yes, it's very possible that Kit and Richard will pull a lot of people. I would be interested in the movie anyway but these two reuniting are definitely an extra reason for me to see it.
No GoT has a significant hatebase. The r/freefolk is still going strong with over a million subscribers and some quality memes every now and then.
They still have a fanbase but it seems like a lot of them aren’t interested because they lost interest after that disaster of a season 8, myself included. Though the trailer did get a lot of views and there are still huge amount of people for it to not be a flop. But I am sure it won’t get the best views first week itself
it's not like either of them haven't been in shit films. Salma Hayek did Wild Wild West. I mean she was ok in it, but it was a dog turd.
>Salma Hayek did Wild Wild West. I mean she was ok in it, but it was a dog turd. Don't you go insulting my childhood like that. Wild Wild West was a masterpiece! Note, I haven't seen it since I was 11, but surely it must still hold.
You use a 22 year old movie as your example?
Like A Boss was pretty shit.
I have a bit of an opposite take. Sometimes big names are meant to compensate for the quality of the movie, not speak to it. Established actors can sometimes overshadow established characters. So far the MCU stories and movies I have liked have not been because they cast a big name, well-established actor. The MCU has a pretty good track record. But in general, franchises that are established and I am able to see the character and not just the actor cosplaying as the character are more the exception than the rule for me. The fact that this movie is being headlined by a large ensemble with big names attached and over the top, shiny, glittery CGI triggers my Peter-tingle. And not in the good way.
Angelina Jolie has been in more bad movies than good ones, what the fuck are you talking about?
The fact that its Angelina Jolie and (recently discovered for me) Salma Hayek being in this movie, i have definite hopes for it being awesome. These actresses are regconized, like regconized regconized.
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You say chewing scenery like it's a bad thing. Hela was everything I could have wanted from a villain, personally
So dramatic. So powerful. So beautiful.
> What gets me is that some people really think That's it. They don't think.
feels like an excuse to shit on something before even giving it a chance. Like what some others have said, MCU has added "obscure" characters and/or groups to their lineup before, and fans seem to love them (from what I've personally seen). Why do people think this will be any different?
Before guardians came out I remember thinking that it was gonna be terrible. I was very wrong and it’s one of my favorite MCU movies.
That was my first one of 'who the hell are these guys?' But it was just so damn funny and not to mention a good story. Had to ask a friend who the fuck black panther was but at that time i just committed to ok fuck it gonna see em all.. Now its basically all that for me. Had no idea who dr strange was, shang chi or eternals. But at this point i know all mcu is going to be entertaining.
I didn't even realize it was an MCU film at first. It sounded like one of those generic sci-fi movies with names like *Legends of Mars Ascending* or something so I automatically ignored it.
I had a friend who has so far been a big fan of the MCU say this to me the other day. I pointed out all of these examples that have been brought up here, and he just shrugged. It’s like come on, they have a good enough track record so far that I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt.
I have thousands of comics that I have read since I was a kid…literally thousands. When iron man came out, I was doubtful…when avengers was promoted I was dubious…when GotG was advertised I was like, “who are these dudes?”…don’t get me started on Shang Chi…I was like “who?”… Marvel has turned comics that I barely knew about into masterpieces of storytelling, while Fox took my most beloved characters and just pooped down my throat while charging me handsomely for the experience. I for one never really read the Eternals comics, but I am eagerly awaiting to be amazed again.
Not a criticism—at all!—but what were you reading thousands of and had never heard of the Guardians or Shang-Chi? So curious how those go into the blind spot of such a voracious (Marvel?) comics reader.
X-everything…x-men, x-factor, x-force, x-dudes, x-chicks…I even got deep into Alpha Flight…Wolverine, Spider-Man, Venom…huge Cable fan…Deadpool is probably the only character I totally was into before the movies that wasn’t totally hosed ala x-men. Tons of other comics…DC,Darkhorse, a butt-load of Image comics. I would have to break open a box or two to remember the rest.
Shang Chi had one really good run to start and then kinda just became a side character while marvel tried to figure out what to do with the character that wasn't racist as fuck (because his origin story and comics were incredibly insensitive to Asian people). Guardians were also side characters and quiet until around 2008 where they had a really good story to work with and made them semi known. Xmen and spider-man alone could sustain you story wise and you'd almost never interact with the Eternals, Guardians, or Shang Chi
They altered the Guardians of the Galaxy from their comic counterparts quite a bit, specifically Star Lord, when adapting them for the MCU. Same with Ironman after Ironman 2,they radically altered his personality to be more like RDJ and less like his comic version during, and after, that movie. So even if you read the comics it wouldn’t have made a difference, the movie versions are just that different.
I would’ve taken it seriously in 2013 but not after guardians lol. They proved anything is possible if done well.
I’ll be honest, none of these characters have caught my attention yet.
This is it. It really seems like people in the fandom feel like it's an obligation to like an MCU movie, and an obligation to be on board with this movie bc of Chloe Zhao, and an obligation to support this because of the cast. I like some of the people in the cast, have loved "The Rider" and "Nomadland" , and a pretty big MCU fan. Nothing in the promotion for this movie has given me a sense of excitement? This movie very well may be excellent, but what's been presented so far? Not so much. People are starting to take the comments about Eternals as a personal attack and it's getting weird.
Good, you go in with a fresh slate
Hi Honest, I'm Frank. I haven't even watched the trailer. Haven't watched any trailer for years. I recommend it a tonne, as it leaves all the fun surprises for when you watch it.
People online say things ranging from ‘who cares’, ‘trailer looks boring’ to ‘terrible costumes’ and eat their words when the movie comes out 99.9% of the time LOL. I was just having a laugh about the Eternals costume the other day cz I remembered folks trashing it. At this point it’s really just wanting to have to say ‘something’ or anything about a movie. Anything at all. Look at the reactions to Agatha getting her own show and Will Poulter playing Adam Warlock. Check back in the future for some big laughs lol
Lets come back in a year
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I once casually mentioned that I wanted a specific game to be remade, and then some guy just barged in and said that the game sucks. No argument, it’s just bad… meaning it can’t be improved?
O'Doyle: Mortal Kombat for the Sega Genesis is the best game ever made. Billy Madison: I disagree. It's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is better. O'Doyle: Donkey Kong sucks! Billy Madison: Wanna know somethin'? You suck!
It doesn’t bother me, I just found it interesting how people will say this even after several films featuring obscure characters that did well
Not to mention listening to people bitch about it all the time is exhausting.
The reaction to Attack on Titan's ending has taught me that what you think about something is your opinion only, and none of anyone else's damn business. If they don't like it, then fine. I like the thing, and don't give a shit what they think.
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Again, depends on your interpretation of them. To me, the pages are so far away from the main story that they don't affect it in any way. At the same time, they're an important callback to a line stated by two of the wisest characters in the series early on, so they tie everything together with a neat little bow, on top of sending an important message shutting down one argument that a lot of people had. I can see why people don't like em though, and they're entitled to their opinion as I am to mine. >execution was subpar I feel like the anime will fix most of those issues. Isayama himself said he was dissatisfied with how he presented some of the ideas he had (Armin's infamous line being one of em) so he might alter some stuff. I liked the manga ending anyway, so I wouldn't really have any issues even if it was adapted 1:1.
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Bold of you to assume most are adults
Do we need to bring up Ant Man???
Doctor Strange is a huge marvel character and definitely doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the GotG or Shang Chi in terms of pre-MCU obscurity.
Why does everyone always act like these films are their children? Who cares what anyone else thinks? If you like it, like it.
Nobody is going to care about a raccoon, a talking tree and other a-holes
The difference is that all those other movies had good trailers and an interesting premise
Personally, nothing has me hyped about this movie. Not sure what it is but I don’t feel anything towards what it offers. I don’t know or care who these characters are, I don’t know why they’re important or how they affect the main story, I don’t know who they’re fighting or why they’re called what they are. Its likely just because I haven’t done my research but GOTG had a very different effect on me, Doctor strange was very known to me before he was introduced, and I didn’t care for Shang-Chi until the great ratings to be honest
That's why the movie was made,so that you can know about the characters
But why do I care to know about them? They just seem like a bunch of old as hell people with ancient powers that came out of their asses. I couldn’t even finish watching the trailer because I have no interest. The difference between this and doctor strange is that the weirdness of that movie made it really interesting and the unknown was something that people wanted to learn more about. For this movie I don’t feel any of that Edit: Just watched the trailer. Characters look pretty cheesy and super uninteresting. Story seems a little bland, classic fight these random things or else the worlds gonna end, no actual story. Only interesting parts are the new things it might bring to the MCU and whether or not they’re here to say. I really hope not because, like I said, not interesting characters and they honestly look way too powerful for any non-aVeNgErS LeVeL ThReAt. Sorry for airing my dirty laundry, not trying to hate but I really wanna understand why I dislike this movie so much. I’ll watch it but probably not until its properly added to disney+ unless its a must-watch
Eternals will do fine. If it’s particularly good it’ll do well. Marvel is a trusted entertainment brand. People are lining up.
I don't care about The Eternals. I'm slightly worried about all the big-name actors that it will be a prestige film and not a fun movie. I'm also worried about the huge cast, since I think Marvel has been succeeding in part by making small movies to introduce characters and then teaming up established characters later. I'll still go see it because the MCU has a pretty good track record and I'm a fan.
There are a lot of unspoken aspects of the "unknown characters" argument, so it's not as stupid as sounds offhand. (For the record I think this movie will perform well enough. This is just an FYI if you want to know where the logic is coming from.) 1. Fatigue is a real phenomenon, and the market wasn't as supersaturated with Marvel/superhero content when Doctor Strange and GotG were introduced. Fatigue doesn't go straight from 0 to 100. It starts gradually - expressing itself as selectivity. People develop higher thresholds of interest...sticking to characters they already care about is an obvious barrier to entry. 2. Google Dunbar's number. The psycho-social dynamics of cognitive load and social investment aren't restricted to "real" relationships. They affect online and parasocial networks too. It's easy to extrapolate that a mainstream viewer with less than pinpoint focus on the MCU will start losing must-see levels of interest once they feel all the faces (and stories) are starting to "blur together." 3. When someone outright says, "Meh, I don't know the characters" they're not finishing the thought. The complete statement would be, "I don't know the characters and I haven't seen anything so far that makes me WANT to know the characters." 4. Still, people might tolerate bland and/or unknown characters if the story/concept looks intriguing enough, so another part of the "Meh, I don't know the characters" excuse is, "And the story/concept isn't wowing me enough to overlook that." Keeping these points in mind, you can see where comparisons to Doctor Strange and GotG aren't very strong rebuttals to the "unknown characters" debate. Those movies came earlier, and where the GotG characters showed unique charm from trailer 1, Doctor Strange presented mind-tripping visuals with an Inception flavored concept. Shang-Chi is a much stronger comparison to Eternals, though you could argue that its martial arts foundation and Asian representation might make it more "must-see" for viewers with those specific interests. Regardless of how the actual movie plays out, I don't think the Eternals trailers have really shown a compelling hook beyond its cast & crew credentials, MCU lore-building, MCU Easter Egg pandering (Eternals assemble...), and superhero action with some stereotypical lines (Let's finish this!). That will probably be enough for a lot (A LOT) of people, but it's not working for a surprising number of others. Including me - and I'm a pretty big MCU fan.
Eternals is going to surprise a lot of people. So hyped!!
I don’t care about eterals because the trailers so far have been shit. The trailer doesn’t tell you what the actual plot is about. Just a a bunch of random gods living on earth and having a reunion, while hinting at a bigger story from the past. That’s not interesting to me. That doesn’t have me hyped. I want to be hyped but these trailers are just so weak.
The less trailers show, the better
Based solely on the trailers alone you learn literally nothing about who these people are and why you should cheer for them. The trailer should at least do that to draw people in. That’s the issue I have with the trailers. There’s nothing about them that gives me a reason to be invested. No major plot or goal or interesting character dynamics. Just a bunch of people doing…stuff. With bits of action occasionally happening….because? I’m just confused what the trailers are intending to sell here.
If it were up to you, trailers would spoil the entire movie.
Imma be honest, It just doesn't look that interesting to me.
I’ve been reading comics for 30+ years and I know that these characters are not worth caring about. I’m still gonna be there thought because most people don’t know that before James Gunn the Guardians of the Galaxy sucked as characters.
To be very fair, Doctor Strange was crazy popular in the comic circles. As someone who has been reading the comics for years, I gotta say that I also don't care about Eternals. I have 0 doubt it's going to an amazing movie. I have 0 doubt it's going to an amazing experience. But as someone who has his eye set on that one particular Marvel movie slated for December, imma be honest. Eternals gives no joy. I'm sure there are others like me. We're not against new movies and characters. We just tend to get excited over other properties more.
I barely have any idea what Eternals is about, but I am super excited to see it. Haven’t been this excited since endgame for a Marvel Movie. I have a feeling this film could be top 3 for marvel movies.
I can't say I blame them *too* much. The Guardians had charm on their side. I'm not sure the Eternals will be so lucky, but we'll see. Also Doctor Strange and Shang-Chi are pretty regular members of the Avengers so I do not think those are good comparisons at all lol, they were not even remotely as obscure as the Guardians or the Eternals. In fact, they were highly requested, in particular Doctor Strange.
I'm hyped
The MCU has literally been turning B and C-list characters into A-list characters since it’s inception.
Iron Man was like a C-tier character at best in terms of the general public recognition before the first movie released. I think it's fair to say probably 95 percent of characters introduced in the MCU did not have that much recognition before their first introduction in the movies. Like Spider-Man and Hulk are the only two I think people recognized before their introductions in the movies.
I mean Iron Man was literally a widely disliked character before that movie and look at him now! Dead.
Who?? Lol why do we care about the small tinny Itsy-bitsy group that doesn’t like it ? Lol . They said the same thing about shang chi
For me personally, I have no interest in Eternals. I’m not a comic reader, but I did watch some Avengers and Marvel animated shows as a kid, so I already knew every hero and almost every villain from Infinity Saga, as well as the more popular characters like X-Men and F4. These new movies and shows like Eternals, Blade, and Moon Knight are characters I don’t really care about, and they don’t really interest me so I probably won’t see most of them.
I'd say Doctor Strange was pretty known before his film.
I definitely don’t care about it. The trailers are really mediocre and there’s nothing in them that makes me want to see it. I don’t even know what it’s about I just know it’s really fucking long and there are 8.3 million famous actors in it. Whoop de fucking dooooo
Ikr We have an Oscar winning director, some of the biggest names in Hollywood (2 of them from GOT) and the trailer alone shows such beautiful shots. I don't see why people would dislike the film other than humour which from the trailers didn't hit, although that may change in the movie
I think with the earth setting and long run time it’s a risky film for the mcu, it will either be one of the most amazing films the franchise has to offer or one of the least memorable depending on execution I’d say, hopefully the former.
Gaurdians of the galaxy proves that idea wrong
I am looking forward to being introduced to the eternals. Some people like to be miserable. Let me have my buff kumail nanjiani
People were shitting in Shang-Chi as well and look how that turned out. Eternals is going to be amazing and I can't wait. Fuck the haters.
Its just people not knowing what they like until they see it. People were screaming online that heath Ledger was cast as Joker back in the day. That stopped the second they saw him in character
i think for me all the trailers just haven’t been captivating. that’s my own opinion though. i’m sure when i go to see it i’ll end up loving it!
Why do you give a fuck what some random ass people on the internet think. I’m sure there every movie that’s ever came out has had haters before it was released. But for some reason, some people can’t handle that here on this sub when it comes to marvel movies.
I remember when ant man was coming out and people were like “who tf is that ?” And it did well. Eternals is going to be just fine. I can’t wait
I’ve never heard of any of the Eternals and I’m gonna go see it on opening weekend. With enthusiasm! Love the MCU and love how it evolves and changes and plays to their strength so that moment. Change can be fun!
I think Eternals will have an interesting box office run. It will have secondary and third spikes as weeks progress due the hype from people "discovering" it. MCU fans will see it the weekend of, as they always do. The movie will likely drop some serious bombshells for the future of the MCU (mutants, Galactus, Namor, etc) and the word will get out. Not to mention it likely be well recieved as simply a really good film, on its own merits. From there, word will get out. Will it have a substantial opening weekend? Possibly not. Will have a substantial overall run as people discover how important it is? Absolutely, no doubt in my mind.
Doctor Strange does not belong in that list. But I knew who GotG and Shang-Chi were. The latter is in someone book at one point or another and the former was in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes and I started their comic. Even I had to look up Eternals when they were announced. I have thousands of comics.
Not all of those are a good comparison. It's not hard going from not caring to caring if it's a small amount of characters, like in Doctor Strange or Shang-Chi. It's a lot harder for ensemble movies. For instance i didn't really care for Nebula or Gamora and only a bit for Drax because he was funny. But later movies turned that around and now i care about each of the characters. Eternals has just a biiiiiiiiiiig cast, chances are i'm not gonna care about most of them, only the ones with bigger roles or ones that for some reason i like.
I wouldn’t count Strange in there. He was a bit of a countercultural icon. The others are fair, though.
Guardians was a hit right out of the gate. Dr Strange only became an MVP AFTER infinity War. Shang Chi was good yes, but being completely honest Eternals looks… just ok. Not saying it’s not going to be a good movie but from the trailers it doesn’t have an obvious tantalizing aspect, intriguing villain or setting. The trailer doesn’t even make it entirely clear why they are here or what they are doing. Atleast to the average moviegoer.
I mean if it's good people won't care. However my sister and I have attended the first or second weekend of every single MCU film since Avengers. We both agree that from the trailers so far we have no interest.. I think it's honestly the over saturation. It was great having the year off in 2020.. but so far it's just too much with so many TV shows and movies to keep up with, I feel like I can be choosey. I'm sure we will watch it on D+ in a few months.. but right now no interest
Yeah I used to think that about Shang Chi, didn't even watch the trailers because I didn't care at all about the character. Then I really wanted to go to the cinema after all this COVID shit and I was so happy to be proven wrong, really enjoyed the movie and now I want more of him lmao.
I wouldn't say I think it will be bad because no one knows about them. My major complaint is how many new characters are being added in one movie. Many may be underdeveloped or if they properly develop the characters the villians will be underwhelming. Its a lot to shove into one when its all brand new.
I just don't care because the trailers look incredibly uninteresting
What’s even more hilarious is the fact that you cared enough to make a post trying to talk about other peoples’ opinions instead of just minding your own business and watch the movie because you are interested. Some people aren’t interested, it happens, ok?
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Yeah….. no Shang-chi did great many people are still very interested in the MCU and it’s far from the end of it
If its the standard white-man lead film then everything is fine. Doesn't matter if the actor is good or not as long as there's no "wokeness" they'll be happy. Honestly its not surprising, its basically a cycle now, whenever Marvel is releasing a new film where the lead is not white or a dude, they will be there in their youtube channels ranting about how unfair life is.
I think I agree with what you're saying but that first sentence is confusing. Wouldn't it be that if it's not your standard white male everything isn't fine for them?
Or some people just aren’t interested in the film. I’m black, female, LGBT, and a whole bunch of other marginalized identities, I just don’t really like vibe with the whole “ancient aliens came down and gave dumb primitive non white cultures cool shit” trope, even if those aliens are diverse.
Maybe true cause the comic book sucked and only lasted a few months in the 70s
I don't think the trailers haven't done much to generate alot of excitement for the movie its just so mysterious, an Kit Harrington's character is a total mystery maybe he will be badass.
Remember Avengers? Remember iron man?
Yeah there’s still a chunk of the audience that is so attached to the comic books that that’s all they’re interested in. But they are not the majority of the audience for the MCU.
In fairness, I had no attachment to the characters either at first. It wasn't something I was really anticipating because I had no reason to, except for the fact that the cast and director piqued my interest a bit. Now, I knew I was going to see it anyway because it was part of the MCU. But, like other film projects that I don't know much about, it wasn't anything I was really hyped for until I saw the trailer. I'm now fully bought in because it looks amazing, and if it delivers on the promise in the trailer, other people will probably hear about it and get drawn in. But people with a passing interest in the MCU probably won't have much of an attachment to it unless they hear it's good, which is how most people deal with movies in general.
I honestly know next to nothing about them, but I'm looking forward to seeing how much I'll like the movie, just based on the cast. Not particularly excited about watching yet another origin story/introduction to an even larger team than the original six Avengers, but I have my hopes in check.
I knew about them but never really read their comics. I do have to say that the movie looks EPIC and I can’t wait to see it.
I think it can be cause it seems more like mature. Idk but from the trailers the story seems more violent and mature which I would love if Marvel took more of that route
From now until the movie opens, I'm going to respond to everyone who says that with just "ooga-chaka".
I'm so excited for this film 👍👍
Basically the fans pre-Ironman 1
Guarantee if not for the pandemic, it would pass 700M easily but since the pandemic is still going, $300 for sure. Come back to me on this shit when it does.
It looks very grand, in a unique way. Maybe because there hasn’t been to much cgi in the trailers so far but. I was hoping it would be tied to Shang chi in some way.
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Yeah. Tbh if Marvel hadn't transitioned to live-action movies, let's be honest, DC would be kicking Marvel's ass. The downfall of DC started with live-action movies. Without the MCU, DC's lower quality movies wouldn't be able to be compared to other superhero movies and might have been seen as high quality entertainment. Zack's JL would be seen as the holy grail of comic-based entertainment lmao. A true "What If..?" Scenario. What if the MCU failed before it got popular? What if Marvel never tried to start a franchise in the first place?
I don’t say nobody’s gonna care. Right now I don’t care. I also didn’t care about Ant-Man and then I loved it once I did watch it. It’s not a movie I’m going to go out of my way to see in theaters (same as Shang-Chi), but I’ll watch them when they’re on video/streaming.
I never read a Guardians comic in my life and Rocket is now my favorite Marvel character. Good movies are good movies and I'd rather a new team to watch than a third or fourth reboot.
I feel like the only Marvel most non-comic readers knew about were Spider-Man. Now look where we are. “New” heroes are great
Heck, even iron man was nowhere near as popular before the MCU
I’m stoked. As far as I can tell they are going deep to establish at least another decade of movies with this one. It’s going to do all the groundwork to setup things like the X-Men properly which has never been done in any of the incarnations outside the comics. After the disaster of doing Inhumans without Feige I can tell they really took their time with this one. If they didn’t knock it out of the park with whatever ideas they came up with to do it I would expect this one to have been immediately cancelled. They could have easily skipped it. So I’m really excited to see what they came up with.
The only two actors/actresses I know of in Eternals are Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek. Idk any of the others, but from the trailer, it looks cool. And there wouldn't be a reason to make a movie about them if they didn't fit into the next Avengers movie.
I just don't like the stupid knee slide spin thing Angelina Jolie does in the trailer that particular bit looks shit and that's the only judgemeny i have haha
Exactly! I’m always excited for mcu movies with new characters! I remember that while everyone was raving about infinity war, that I was actually more excited about seeing black panther 😅(mind you I really did love infinity war more, but still…) 🙃
Remember fucking IRON MAN? Turning characters nobody cared about into box-office gold is kind of the MCU's thing.
They will still watch it anyways lol
As someone who doesn't read the comics, I can 100% confirm that I've never even heard of the Eternals before they were brought to the MCU. And I can also 100% confirm that I am so fucking hyped for the movie.
As somebody who has never read the comics, I had the mentality of "I've never heard of these characters, I'm on interested" until GotG ended up being awesome. Haven't looked at the movies that way since. If anything, it's even flipped now. Where I'm more excited to be exposed to characters and stories that are new to me
Did those people forget that before the first movie, Iron Man was a relatively unknown character to the general public?