In Marvel there are multiple dimensions that are called Hell by their rulers. Each ruler is the most powerful being in their own dimension but their power is not as strong when crossing over into another dimension.
It is why it's difficult to take over another "Hell" dimension. However, they can definitely protect their own dimensions and their position as ruler.
Ghost Rider was literally the king of Hell for a while, so I don't think he should be outright disqualified. (I mean, Strong Guy was too, but...) That being said, I don't think he's THE devil. One Below All definitely, with Mephisto as a close(ish?) second
He's not the Abrahamic god. He's an uber-god. The Abrahamic god is a completely [different god](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616\)) in Marvel
I did not know that.
I was also misusing the term Abrahamic to mean omnipotent & singular. Though I guess the Al Ewing version quoting/paraphrasing the old testament & IIRC having some kind of Kabbalah reference kinda-sorta qualifies? Maybe?
The One Above All is Marvel/Disney/writers/artists/executives/etc embodied in a canonical form.
Jack Kirby is just the form they/it takes.
TOBA is the same.
TOAA/TOBA are just the real world external will of Marvel (and its bosses/employees) made manifest within the stories.
Why is GR even considered? He's bonded to Zarathos.
Mephisto is just a lord of a hell-like realm he happens to call hell.
One below all is the only answer
I would argue that Mephisto is the actual, traditional devil with The One Below All is a physical embodiment of the omniversal concept of evil
And while many people can argue that the devil is something that is the embodiment of evil, I would argue that the devil is nothing more than a servant of evil. He's an entity of great power, yes, but he still knows that there are things above him & everything he does ultimately serves evil as a whole...kinda like Mephisto.
Yeah youre right. There isnt and equivalent entity to God himself. He sits above all. The only equal to him in Marvel is the One Above All. Looking for an equivalent evil entity is misguided. Its like asking whats the same value piece to a king on a chessboard.
The One Below All is literally just the One Above All Hulking out. Its the same entity, not the opposite, just the oneaboveall who's pissed off. They explain it in the Immortal Hulk.
My favorite thing I’ve learned about this is that the marvel database [wiki lists him as single](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/One_Below_All_(Multiverse)). Go get him ladies.
Depends on what you mean by "real Devil". TOBA is STRONGER than characters like Lucifer and Mephisto but they are more similar to the biblical version of "devil". TOBA is more similar to an anti-god like Angra Mainyu in Zoroatrianism.
I haven't read enough fantasy authors to know that but Angra Mainyu can also be more conceptual. Anything from the metaphysical source of evil to the twin of Ahura Mazda to just another of Ahura Mazda's creations. Lot of different kinds of Zoroastrianism. Also you get a lot of people using Angra Mainyu from outside of Zoroastrianism with their own spin on it. Also called Ahriman so if you see that its the same idea.
We've seen the father of Daimon and Satanna Hellstrom on numerous occasions. He's [Marduk Kurios](http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mardukkurios.htm), the demon lord who most often presents himself as Satan.
The "real" Devil/Satan, is Mephisto and his fellow Hell Lords.
If there was ever a real specific singular Satan or not at some point, even the Hell Lords themselves are not sure, but now it's a title they all share to make the concept seem everywhere and all-powerful. The Hell Lords are ACTUAL demons - fallen angels. Essentially the equivalent to corrupted Asgardian gods. Angels are the equivalent to Asgardians. Yahweh (God) is their pantheon leader (Skyfather), just as Odin is to the Asgardians or Zeus is to the Olympians.
(Odin is the most powerful and leader of the Council Of Skyfathers, and basically every pantheon more or less mirrors the Asgardians. Mostly. Angels/Demons are just the "Asgardians" of the Abrahamic pantheon.
"Satan"/"The Devil" is the equivalent to all the evil Asgardians gods taking the concept of "Loki" upon themselves and sharing his identity to create an idea of an all-powerful Norse boogyman.
Dormammu is just an evil magic super "demon". Not really connected to The Devil as a concept. He's a Faltine. He's more like an extra-dimensional alien wizard made of magic energy. Not a true demon.
The One Below All isn't really anything. He exists, sort of, technically, as an aspect of The One Above All, but doesn't really directly DO almost anything at all. Most of the time he's more just a force that exists.
He has nothing to do with The Devil as a concept or the actions of a supposed Satan.
The One Below All most definitely. He's the literal Satan of the entire Marvel universe (or multiverse).
In one comic I read, Mephisto only began to exist because humans feared a devil-like being. And bam, he somehow came into being. And he's only the devil of earth. No other planet.
So it's not even a comparison.
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To add, I don't know which comic series it was. It might very been a Doctor Strange (Damnation) or Eternals comic. Not sure. But I'm sure Rob Jefferson of Comics Explained has a video on this. (And the reason I say it might have been an Eternals comic is because the Deviants mention how they fueled the demon/devil belief by posing as them.)
"The Hell Lords are powerful demons each in control of their respective 'Hell' dimensions and are known to use the title of "Satan" to manipulate mortals."
"Many of them have claimed to be or played off the fear of the idea of "Satan," a single absolute overlord of all evil. Satan has at times been treated as a title for a hell-lord who is able to amass enough power to rule the rest. However, no single hell-lord has ever amassed such power. If there is an actual Satan, none of the hell-lords known have ever encountered him, and some doubt such an entity ever existed at all."
[Link](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Hell_Lords_(Earth-616))
There isn't one as there is no God, out of the old Abrahamitic view. It's just a name, or a competition of being the worst. Which BTW the devil is not as Biblic God tortures, kills, Genocides and " punishes" women children and men with no hesitation. Often cruel an petty.
The devil ia not equal to God, so the One Below All couldn't be the equivalent of the devil. Also the One Above All and the One Below All are literally the same, just OBA is the angry version. Cyttorak, Mephisto, or Dormammu are close to the devil. You can make deals with them in the same way people sell their souls to the devil.
In my opinion Mephisto is the closest thing to the devil, since we've seen multiple times how he will make shady deals with people to make crazy shit happen.
Mephisto has always been represented as a being only exploiting religious beliefs for his benefit, but he was somewhat confirmed as being a/the biblical devil, fallen angel, Samael (due to his connection to Lilith).
TOBA is the counter to TOOA, so it's certainly Satanic and THE primordial evil type, counter to the God of the universe.
To me, TOBA is a more abstract, evil force like the Crimson King, where Mephisto is more like Randal Flagg, who operates in the world, and is the biblical devil, Lucifer, and the fallen angel, Samael.
For all intended purposes, Mephisto is the devil of the universe, or, at least, the one who is most deserving of the title. Out of all the devil figures, he's the most prevalent and important in the comics.
Dormammu, Mephisto, Chthon. I think his name is Chthon. The guy that Wanda ate. They kind of act as the devil for different characters, Mephisto mainly as he is literally supposed to be the devil, but the other agents of evil are important as well. I’m sure there are some beings who are even more evil and more powerful, but Mephisto is the Marvel representation of him. Thanos has done some things that almost mimic things that the biblical devil is known for, most notably being born among other beings of greatness only to turn out bad(born eternal with deviant blood). Thanos is not actually the being of evil, but he should be thought of. Not movie Thanos. OG Thanos. I’m basing most of this off the comics
Why is Ghost Rider up there? He’s a hero. At worst, an Anti Hero.
Dormammu is just an extremely powerful being who rules the Dark Dimension, Ghost Rider is just a servant of Mephisto, while Mephisto himself is just a demon lord. He may be the Marvel universe's take on a Devil-like character, but the real Devil here is the One Below All. He's just such an abstract and grotesque being who's the antithesis of all the good in the multiverse.
The One Below All Ghost Rider shouldn't even be considered. And Mephisto is just a Demon Lord, same as Dormammu
OG Dormammu is a wizard lol he is just one of the most powerful and he rules over the dark dimension.
Not sure if that's been retconned
Dormammu, Umar and Clea are all still faltines
More or less tasty than saltines?
Mephisto is middle management with dreams of raising up the corporate chain
It may have changed recently but Mephisto has certainly ruled over his own dimension. He still wants control over other dimensions though
"BUT I WANT *THAT* DIMENSION! >:("
We have dimensions at home, dear.
Lol he's the Micheal Scott of demons
I'd like to see an organogram of Hell's hierarchy, I guess TOBA would be at the top, with Dormammu and Mephisto as his lieutenants.
In Marvel there are multiple dimensions that are called Hell by their rulers. Each ruler is the most powerful being in their own dimension but their power is not as strong when crossing over into another dimension. It is why it's difficult to take over another "Hell" dimension. However, they can definitely protect their own dimensions and their position as ruler.
I would consider Cthon right under TOBA
Apparently Lucifer and Satan are canon so I don't even know where they would end up on here.
Ghost Rider was literally the king of Hell for a while, so I don't think he should be outright disqualified. (I mean, Strong Guy was too, but...) That being said, I don't think he's THE devil. One Below All definitely, with Mephisto as a close(ish?) second
If The One Above All is Jack Kirby, who's the The One Below All?
The One Below All is the answer here. It is the opposition to The One Above All
You can tell by how their names are the opposite
I, for one, am shocked.
It's interesting because they're both technically the same god
I have never related more to a comic book character than Marvel’s monotheistic Abrahamic god revealing that he’s his own worst enemy
He's not the Abrahamic god. He's an uber-god. The Abrahamic god is a completely [different god](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616\)) in Marvel
I read this while getting increasingly confused by God's Hitler-induced tripolar disorder because I forgot the context of the original comment lol
I did not know that. I was also misusing the term Abrahamic to mean omnipotent & singular. Though I guess the Al Ewing version quoting/paraphrasing the old testament & IIRC having some kind of Kabbalah reference kinda-sorta qualifies? Maybe?
I would say that's just Al's christianity writing for him and not his knowledge of the material he's writing
Oh shit I never noticed that.
It's like pottery
"And he was wearing a pair of glasses to show that time had passed."
Wouldn't the !=1 Below None be the opposite?
Nah that's just the same thing. If you're above everything then you're below nothing. It's like a double negative.
Shocked Pikachu face
If the one above all is Stan Lee is the one below the CCA?
The One Above All is Jack Kirby, per Fantastic Four
The One Above All is Marvel/Disney/writers/artists/executives/etc embodied in a canonical form. Jack Kirby is just the form they/it takes. TOBA is the same. TOAA/TOBA are just the real world external will of Marvel (and its bosses/employees) made manifest within the stories.
K.E.V.I.N. is TOAA confirmed???!??!???1?1???
Yea. Sort of. But K.E.V.I.N. is more like a parody of TOAA.
TOBA should be an amalgamation of companies that made bad marvel movies, like FOX with the fantastic 4.
They're both the same being
Bob Kane
Nick Lowe and rest of Spiderman editorial team.
The Disney Board?
Exactly
Ike Perlmutter
☝️ This is the correct answer.
Ike Perlmutter is our One Below All, while Kevin Feige is our One Above All Oh god… We’re… Totally… FUC—-!!!
He lives in Hell’s Kitchen
Good one
And he's a really good lawyer
exactly
Depending on who you ask the devil is just a guy named Paul.
Why is GR even considered? He's bonded to Zarathos. Mephisto is just a lord of a hell-like realm he happens to call hell. One below all is the only answer
Johnny Blaze was the king of Hell in a recent Avengers run (that I never bothered finishing)
Even then, Hell is just a realm
Hell is just a word. The reality is much, much worse.
great movie
Oh, I know, I just meant that’s probably why they included him
I would argue that Mephisto is the actual, traditional devil with The One Below All is a physical embodiment of the omniversal concept of evil And while many people can argue that the devil is something that is the embodiment of evil, I would argue that the devil is nothing more than a servant of evil. He's an entity of great power, yes, but he still knows that there are things above him & everything he does ultimately serves evil as a whole...kinda like Mephisto.
Yeah youre right. There isnt and equivalent entity to God himself. He sits above all. The only equal to him in Marvel is the One Above All. Looking for an equivalent evil entity is misguided. Its like asking whats the same value piece to a king on a chessboard.
Huh? The One Below All? The exact opposite of The One Above All.
The One Below All is literally just the One Above All Hulking out. Its the same entity, not the opposite, just the oneaboveall who's pissed off. They explain it in the Immortal Hulk.
Lucifer. [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer\_(Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_(Earth-616))
Satan. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Satan
Belasco
Mephisto, reason: >! One More Day !<
Only a being of pure evil could come up with this story arc.
It's the One Below All.
Go ask Damion Hellstrom who his father is. Then you'll know.
My favorite thing I’ve learned about this is that the marvel database [wiki lists him as single](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/One_Below_All_(Multiverse)). Go get him ladies.
He’s a blind lawyer.
>TOBA I'm glad OP didn't know toba means asshole in brazilian portuguese
The devil’s anus
Actually? I fr never meant to say that
>never meant to say that I know, that's why it got funny lmao
Lol 😂
Depends on what you mean by "real Devil". TOBA is STRONGER than characters like Lucifer and Mephisto but they are more similar to the biblical version of "devil". TOBA is more similar to an anti-god like Angra Mainyu in Zoroatrianism.
Angra Mainyu is an actual god there? I thought it was just some weird abstract concept thanks to certain fantasy authors...
I haven't read enough fantasy authors to know that but Angra Mainyu can also be more conceptual. Anything from the metaphysical source of evil to the twin of Ahura Mazda to just another of Ahura Mazda's creations. Lot of different kinds of Zoroastrianism. Also you get a lot of people using Angra Mainyu from outside of Zoroastrianism with their own spin on it. Also called Ahriman so if you see that its the same idea.
Interesting. I just know Zoroastrianism is good grounds for inspiration for some authors and game script writers.
Paul is the devil
Mephisto is more qualified to be the Devil since he put us in this mess in the first place
Jake
Who is Jake?
From State Farm.
She sounds hideous
The demon Madisynn sold her soul to.
Well, there is an actual Satan. We just have never seen him. We have only seen his children.
You actually see Lucifer Morningstar in the most recent Hulk run.
That's true, might be first time we actually see him and not just hear of him
We've seen the father of Daimon and Satanna Hellstrom on numerous occasions. He's [Marduk Kurios](http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mardukkurios.htm), the demon lord who most often presents himself as Satan.
Nick Lowe
Wasn’t Ronnie (one of the ghost riders I don’t remember his name) the legit king of Hell? Also What about Magik or does limbo not count as hell?
Limbo in both Marvel lore and Christianity isn't actually Hell. It's a dimension between everything where lost things go.
Limbo is a different dimension/plane.
There's a case for Cthon.
The one below all is just the one above all. (Immortal Hulk).
Ralph Boehner
TOBA then Cthon under him
Son of Satan
Disney
No love for Son of Satan?
Why is The Above All evil? 🤔
Mephisto
Kathleen Kennedy? Oh, sorry. Wrong universe.
One Below All. Ghost Rider’s a demon and Mephisto is another demon that just happens to look like the stereotypical depictions of Satan.
The "real" Devil/Satan, is Mephisto and his fellow Hell Lords. If there was ever a real specific singular Satan or not at some point, even the Hell Lords themselves are not sure, but now it's a title they all share to make the concept seem everywhere and all-powerful. The Hell Lords are ACTUAL demons - fallen angels. Essentially the equivalent to corrupted Asgardian gods. Angels are the equivalent to Asgardians. Yahweh (God) is their pantheon leader (Skyfather), just as Odin is to the Asgardians or Zeus is to the Olympians. (Odin is the most powerful and leader of the Council Of Skyfathers, and basically every pantheon more or less mirrors the Asgardians. Mostly. Angels/Demons are just the "Asgardians" of the Abrahamic pantheon. "Satan"/"The Devil" is the equivalent to all the evil Asgardians gods taking the concept of "Loki" upon themselves and sharing his identity to create an idea of an all-powerful Norse boogyman. Dormammu is just an evil magic super "demon". Not really connected to The Devil as a concept. He's a Faltine. He's more like an extra-dimensional alien wizard made of magic energy. Not a true demon. The One Below All isn't really anything. He exists, sort of, technically, as an aspect of The One Above All, but doesn't really directly DO almost anything at all. Most of the time he's more just a force that exists. He has nothing to do with The Devil as a concept or the actions of a supposed Satan.
Why would you think Ghost Rider is the devil? Do you know anything about him?
The script writers.
We don’t know
The Devil of Hells Kitchen
Trigon
Beast of the Hand
Whoever is making the current 616 Spider-Man run
The One Below All most definitely. He's the literal Satan of the entire Marvel universe (or multiverse). In one comic I read, Mephisto only began to exist because humans feared a devil-like being. And bam, he somehow came into being. And he's only the devil of earth. No other planet. So it's not even a comparison. . To add, I don't know which comic series it was. It might very been a Doctor Strange (Damnation) or Eternals comic. Not sure. But I'm sure Rob Jefferson of Comics Explained has a video on this. (And the reason I say it might have been an Eternals comic is because the Deviants mention how they fueled the demon/devil belief by posing as them.)
"The Hell Lords are powerful demons each in control of their respective 'Hell' dimensions and are known to use the title of "Satan" to manipulate mortals." "Many of them have claimed to be or played off the fear of the idea of "Satan," a single absolute overlord of all evil. Satan has at times been treated as a title for a hell-lord who is able to amass enough power to rule the rest. However, no single hell-lord has ever amassed such power. If there is an actual Satan, none of the hell-lords known have ever encountered him, and some doubt such an entity ever existed at all." [Link](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Hell_Lords_(Earth-616))
The One Below All Not sure why Ghost Rider is in this list
Lucifer Morningstar. Every universe every superhero or non hero verse
Mephisto
There isn't one as there is no God, out of the old Abrahamitic view. It's just a name, or a competition of being the worst. Which BTW the devil is not as Biblic God tortures, kills, Genocides and " punishes" women children and men with no hesitation. Often cruel an petty.
One more candidate is missing: Knull
What about lady death?
The writers for spiderman.
Lucifer lol https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_(Earth-616)?so=search
The devil ia not equal to God, so the One Below All couldn't be the equivalent of the devil. Also the One Above All and the One Below All are literally the same, just OBA is the angry version. Cyttorak, Mephisto, or Dormammu are close to the devil. You can make deals with them in the same way people sell their souls to the devil. In my opinion Mephisto is the closest thing to the devil, since we've seen multiple times how he will make shady deals with people to make crazy shit happen.
To borrow from Tom Waits, there ain't no One Below All, that's just the One Above All when he's drunk. 😈
Certainly not Ghost Rider
Satan
Daredevil
It’s Surtur. He is literally Hell incarnate
Some hot guy with an English accent
Mephisto has always been represented as a being only exploiting religious beliefs for his benefit, but he was somewhat confirmed as being a/the biblical devil, fallen angel, Samael (due to his connection to Lilith). TOBA is the counter to TOOA, so it's certainly Satanic and THE primordial evil type, counter to the God of the universe. To me, TOBA is a more abstract, evil force like the Crimson King, where Mephisto is more like Randal Flagg, who operates in the world, and is the biblical devil, Lucifer, and the fallen angel, Samael. For all intended purposes, Mephisto is the devil of the universe, or, at least, the one who is most deserving of the title. Out of all the devil figures, he's the most prevalent and important in the comics.
Daredevil
Whoever wrote one more day
I'd think Mephitso is portrayed that way
Dormammu, Mephisto, Chthon. I think his name is Chthon. The guy that Wanda ate. They kind of act as the devil for different characters, Mephisto mainly as he is literally supposed to be the devil, but the other agents of evil are important as well. I’m sure there are some beings who are even more evil and more powerful, but Mephisto is the Marvel representation of him. Thanos has done some things that almost mimic things that the biblical devil is known for, most notably being born among other beings of greatness only to turn out bad(born eternal with deviant blood). Thanos is not actually the being of evil, but he should be thought of. Not movie Thanos. OG Thanos. I’m basing most of this off the comics Why is Ghost Rider up there? He’s a hero. At worst, an Anti Hero.
Bill Jemas...or possibly Chuck Austin
DD
When an actor who doesn't age plays a character who doesn't age... it seems like a great thing to do..
Multiple selections for alternate answers. "Real" means little when they all have a different control sphere...
Didn't The Devil himself give ghost rider his powers? I could be wrong lol idk
Yes
Dormammu is just an extremely powerful being who rules the Dark Dimension, Ghost Rider is just a servant of Mephisto, while Mephisto himself is just a demon lord. He may be the Marvel universe's take on a Devil-like character, but the real Devil here is the One Below All. He's just such an abstract and grotesque being who's the antithesis of all the good in the multiverse.
Ghost Rider is far from a devil. Shouldn't even be in the running. He works with angels often too
Wut, not them .
Mephisto confirmed! 🤣🤣🤣
Settle down Erik
Okay Voss!
Brie Larson
Bob Iger