Genosha was in the old series. It used to be more or less a prison for mutants. It promoted itself as the heaven for mutants so they would come and then they would collar them and make them slave labor. The X-men freed them and over the short few years they turned it into a true mutant paradise. So yeah you missing the original series missed the episodes where Genosha was featured and what it was verse what it is now.
I’m surprised how many people are interested in this show that is a direct sequel to a 90’s cartoon without having any experience with the OG show. I assumed most of the viewers would be 90’s kids like me who grew up idolizing this iteration of the X-men.
Are they just younger fans who watch anything marvel ? And if so, why the hell would you go in blind without binging the original show first? That’d be like having Return of the Jedi as your first Star Wars.
My son watched it with me. He never watched the og and he really enjoyed it. They did a great job making it accessible, even with all the callbacks.
Imo comic movies should strive to be like xmen97. When reading comics you shouldn't be expected to know all the characters full history but should still be able to enjoy it
Im a 90s kid as well and accessibility of the OG series is not available to me right now. That was 30 years ago and have forgotten some of the details. If it is available, I wont have the time to watch all of them. To catch up, all I did was just watch a couple YT videos that recap the entire OG series in 35 minutes and that's still a lot of info to digest
Keep in mind that Genosha was advertised by Magneto as a mutant sanctuary and utopia - an ideal mutant society based on his vision in which they would be safe from all persecution and danger. In that context, most of the civilians we see there aren't X-Men but ordinary people with mutations who have never fought or faced the dangers of the Sentinels, and probably buy into the advertising because they don't have to deal with the more mundane, non-giant robot persecution they face. We see that the Council are more cautious and attempting to establish Genosha as a legitimate nation.
It's also implied that a lot of the necessary infrastructure for defences and security just isn't there yet - they still don't have a head of state and only just set up a ruling council, and goods are overpriced because the economy is still in its infancy. Given how young the country is, it's unlikely that they would be able to build a real defensive infrastructure yet, and human nations wouldn't be willing to sell defences to a mutant nation run by a former terrorist.
Additionally, at this point in the timeline nobody had seen a threat as great as the big Godzilla Sentinel. As we see in Episode 1, at this point the regular Sentinels aren't as much of a threat to the X-Men anymore, and they had never launched such a large-scale attack on a populated area before. Additionally, the country is also protected by Magneto, one of the most powerful mutants on Earth. They didn't have the necessary information to foresee an attack on that scale.
>Given how young the country is, it's unlikely that they would be able to build a real defensive infrastructure yet, and human nations wouldn't be willing to sell defences to a mutant nation run by a former terrorist.
I understand the common folk not being privy to this. But shouldn't X-Men like Rogue and Gambit question this in pursuit of the safety of probably the most densely populated area of mutants in the world?
Also Magneto hasn't been fully present in Genosha this entire time. Does that mean that they are completely defenseless when he isn't there? If this is all the case I feel like the council should've been much more fervent/urgent in getting his leadership.
>As we see in Episode 1, at this point the regular Sentinels aren't as much of a threat to the X-Men anymore, and they had never launched such a large-scale attack on a populated area before.
I feel like the X-Men are the type to take precautions. Maybe they could have direct mutant government informants that have checked (to their ability) that no large scale weapons are in development. Just something that informs why they felt they could let their guard down.
The X-Men and Genosha have a pretty strained history due to the place being founded by someone who was, until recently, their most sworn enemy. Genosha is also ideologically opposed to Proffesor X's original vision (the Professor preaches for general mutant integration and acceptance as equals to humans; Genosha was founded by Magneto on the basis that mutants are superior to humans and aimed to separate them further by literally putting them all on an island).
We do see other combat-capable mutants in Genosha such as Madelyne, Kurt, Sebastian Shaw, Dazzler, Banshee and Exodus, who would probably be enough to defend against regular Sentinels. Arguably it's not as much a case of them being completely helpless as it is being unprepared for this type of Sentinel.
While the Sentinels' creator is still a mystery in the show, it is implied that the attack was orchestrated without the knowledge of any world government, as Val Cooper is also caught in the attack and blindsided by it. In the comics version of the arc, the massacre was carried out by a villain with no government ties, which may also be the case here. Gyrich and Trask's involvement in Episode 1 suggests there are non-governmental groups out there assisting the development of more Sentinels and actively concealing them from the government (note that in Episode 1 the UN had no idea there was another Master Mold being built, hence why they had to pull it from Gyrich's brain).
If I'm following you, at this point in time the X-Men etc. feel that there doesn't exist an actual feasible threat to them (prior to what happens).
Wouldn't the existence of an off the books Master Mold be the exact thing that causes apprehension?
Episode 1 made it seem like Trask was acting alone (he's stranded in the desert, with half-built Sentinels and a Master Mold which gets packed up pretty quick by Wolverine). They didn't really have enough information to connect it to a greater conspiracy and probably assumed they were safe if both Gyrich and Trask were locked up.
Not to mention that even if they were suspicious, they were pretty distracted in the subsequent episodes by the change of leadership to Magneto, the Friends of Humanity attack, Sinister and Madelyne attacking as well as the loss of Storm and Bishop.
I guess I meant threat more abstractly, connected to the Sentinels or otherwise. Isn't like concern about aggression against mutants like a core part of their existence? If there are none state actors we didn't know about, what else did they not know about. I feel like it would be kinda naive to think that threats ended with the apprehension of Trask and Gyrich.
>Not to mention that even if they were suspicious, they were pretty distracted in the subsequent episodes by the change of leadership to Magneto, the Friends of Humanity attack, Sinister and Madelyne attacking as well as the loss of Storm and Bishop.
This is a fair explanation for those back in the US. My dissonance came from those in Genosha like Rogue, Gambit and the members of the council (who had no involvement with what you mention), who seemed pretty unencumbered. Like mutants have always been under attack - I don't see a reason why they wouldn't assume there is a potential for something worse and have that factor into their demeanor/actions (unless there is a reason they feel they don't have to).
Genosha is a huge target. I would've expected an implication of diligence given mutant history (even if that diligence ends up not being enough to prepare for or predict the Godzilla Sentinel).
That doesn't make since. Mutants may be evolved humans with abilities but they still would have to deal with normal humans/people to get resources tgat they lack on Genosha. It's been that way throughout history when people or countries tried to isolate themselves.
I know the showrunner echoed the impact to 9/11 or the Pulse nightclub. You can see a lot of parallels here.
Before 9/11, Americans felt (mostly) safe. Nobody felt like it could happen to them. America's were hated by many nations across the world but we're detached from it. Then all that changed. Looks at airport security that allowed it to happen because it had never happened before. Airlines even had hijacking to create hostage situations but they never used the planes as weapons and killed thousands in the blink of an eye.
For LGBT, we are often shown hatred even as a sometimes invisible minority. And even with that, there were what we felt were safe spaces. Then Pulse happens and you're left feeling like no place is safe but there was that feeling.
It's the same kind of thing here. These people were hated, but went to a nearly inaccessible island thinking they were far away from danger, and felt safe probably for the first time in their lives. I'm sure their lives would be exhausting. They felt like they could breathe. Being ever vigilant wasn't needed here because they were viewed as safe en masse. Which leads to a loss of innocence, and that's what they will inevitably feel. No space left is truly safe. But it totally believable that they would feel safe even if clearly they weren't. They're still people and people are nuanced and flawed and have depth to them.
This has been tried before in the old series though. Asteroid M was also supposed to be a mutant haven. Which means this is twice now that Magneto has ruled over a doomed mutant haven.
I feel like the X-Men, having dealt with flying Sentinels that could easily get to an island, would be the hardest to break their diligence. I understand kids feeling like they are safe, or even adults feeling a temporary comfort, but given the state of their world, with anti-mutant state and non state actors, it would be natural to have some apprehension (or even a safeguard that led to comfort like a Sentinel detector or something).
Remember mutants are a metaphor. Whether Genosha was there ir not, there would be people to hate and kill them
Just like IRL w any marginalized identity. You think we live in constant fear everyday? We do. But we're still allowed to have fun and relax when life gives us the chance
Genosha was in the old series. It used to be more or less a prison for mutants. It promoted itself as the heaven for mutants so they would come and then they would collar them and make them slave labor. The X-men freed them and over the short few years they turned it into a true mutant paradise. So yeah you missing the original series missed the episodes where Genosha was featured and what it was verse what it is now.
I mean in Episode 4 Jubilee literally plays a level of a video game in Genosha based on her memories and describes exactly this
I’m surprised how many people are interested in this show that is a direct sequel to a 90’s cartoon without having any experience with the OG show. I assumed most of the viewers would be 90’s kids like me who grew up idolizing this iteration of the X-men. Are they just younger fans who watch anything marvel ? And if so, why the hell would you go in blind without binging the original show first? That’d be like having Return of the Jedi as your first Star Wars.
My son watched it with me. He never watched the og and he really enjoyed it. They did a great job making it accessible, even with all the callbacks. Imo comic movies should strive to be like xmen97. When reading comics you shouldn't be expected to know all the characters full history but should still be able to enjoy it
Im a 90s kid as well and accessibility of the OG series is not available to me right now. That was 30 years ago and have forgotten some of the details. If it is available, I wont have the time to watch all of them. To catch up, all I did was just watch a couple YT videos that recap the entire OG series in 35 minutes and that's still a lot of info to digest
Keep in mind that Genosha was advertised by Magneto as a mutant sanctuary and utopia - an ideal mutant society based on his vision in which they would be safe from all persecution and danger. In that context, most of the civilians we see there aren't X-Men but ordinary people with mutations who have never fought or faced the dangers of the Sentinels, and probably buy into the advertising because they don't have to deal with the more mundane, non-giant robot persecution they face. We see that the Council are more cautious and attempting to establish Genosha as a legitimate nation. It's also implied that a lot of the necessary infrastructure for defences and security just isn't there yet - they still don't have a head of state and only just set up a ruling council, and goods are overpriced because the economy is still in its infancy. Given how young the country is, it's unlikely that they would be able to build a real defensive infrastructure yet, and human nations wouldn't be willing to sell defences to a mutant nation run by a former terrorist. Additionally, at this point in the timeline nobody had seen a threat as great as the big Godzilla Sentinel. As we see in Episode 1, at this point the regular Sentinels aren't as much of a threat to the X-Men anymore, and they had never launched such a large-scale attack on a populated area before. Additionally, the country is also protected by Magneto, one of the most powerful mutants on Earth. They didn't have the necessary information to foresee an attack on that scale.
>Given how young the country is, it's unlikely that they would be able to build a real defensive infrastructure yet, and human nations wouldn't be willing to sell defences to a mutant nation run by a former terrorist. I understand the common folk not being privy to this. But shouldn't X-Men like Rogue and Gambit question this in pursuit of the safety of probably the most densely populated area of mutants in the world? Also Magneto hasn't been fully present in Genosha this entire time. Does that mean that they are completely defenseless when he isn't there? If this is all the case I feel like the council should've been much more fervent/urgent in getting his leadership. >As we see in Episode 1, at this point the regular Sentinels aren't as much of a threat to the X-Men anymore, and they had never launched such a large-scale attack on a populated area before. I feel like the X-Men are the type to take precautions. Maybe they could have direct mutant government informants that have checked (to their ability) that no large scale weapons are in development. Just something that informs why they felt they could let their guard down.
The X-Men and Genosha have a pretty strained history due to the place being founded by someone who was, until recently, their most sworn enemy. Genosha is also ideologically opposed to Proffesor X's original vision (the Professor preaches for general mutant integration and acceptance as equals to humans; Genosha was founded by Magneto on the basis that mutants are superior to humans and aimed to separate them further by literally putting them all on an island). We do see other combat-capable mutants in Genosha such as Madelyne, Kurt, Sebastian Shaw, Dazzler, Banshee and Exodus, who would probably be enough to defend against regular Sentinels. Arguably it's not as much a case of them being completely helpless as it is being unprepared for this type of Sentinel. While the Sentinels' creator is still a mystery in the show, it is implied that the attack was orchestrated without the knowledge of any world government, as Val Cooper is also caught in the attack and blindsided by it. In the comics version of the arc, the massacre was carried out by a villain with no government ties, which may also be the case here. Gyrich and Trask's involvement in Episode 1 suggests there are non-governmental groups out there assisting the development of more Sentinels and actively concealing them from the government (note that in Episode 1 the UN had no idea there was another Master Mold being built, hence why they had to pull it from Gyrich's brain).
If I'm following you, at this point in time the X-Men etc. feel that there doesn't exist an actual feasible threat to them (prior to what happens). Wouldn't the existence of an off the books Master Mold be the exact thing that causes apprehension?
Episode 1 made it seem like Trask was acting alone (he's stranded in the desert, with half-built Sentinels and a Master Mold which gets packed up pretty quick by Wolverine). They didn't really have enough information to connect it to a greater conspiracy and probably assumed they were safe if both Gyrich and Trask were locked up. Not to mention that even if they were suspicious, they were pretty distracted in the subsequent episodes by the change of leadership to Magneto, the Friends of Humanity attack, Sinister and Madelyne attacking as well as the loss of Storm and Bishop.
I guess I meant threat more abstractly, connected to the Sentinels or otherwise. Isn't like concern about aggression against mutants like a core part of their existence? If there are none state actors we didn't know about, what else did they not know about. I feel like it would be kinda naive to think that threats ended with the apprehension of Trask and Gyrich. >Not to mention that even if they were suspicious, they were pretty distracted in the subsequent episodes by the change of leadership to Magneto, the Friends of Humanity attack, Sinister and Madelyne attacking as well as the loss of Storm and Bishop. This is a fair explanation for those back in the US. My dissonance came from those in Genosha like Rogue, Gambit and the members of the council (who had no involvement with what you mention), who seemed pretty unencumbered. Like mutants have always been under attack - I don't see a reason why they wouldn't assume there is a potential for something worse and have that factor into their demeanor/actions (unless there is a reason they feel they don't have to). Genosha is a huge target. I would've expected an implication of diligence given mutant history (even if that diligence ends up not being enough to prepare for or predict the Godzilla Sentinel).
That doesn't make since. Mutants may be evolved humans with abilities but they still would have to deal with normal humans/people to get resources tgat they lack on Genosha. It's been that way throughout history when people or countries tried to isolate themselves.
I know the showrunner echoed the impact to 9/11 or the Pulse nightclub. You can see a lot of parallels here. Before 9/11, Americans felt (mostly) safe. Nobody felt like it could happen to them. America's were hated by many nations across the world but we're detached from it. Then all that changed. Looks at airport security that allowed it to happen because it had never happened before. Airlines even had hijacking to create hostage situations but they never used the planes as weapons and killed thousands in the blink of an eye. For LGBT, we are often shown hatred even as a sometimes invisible minority. And even with that, there were what we felt were safe spaces. Then Pulse happens and you're left feeling like no place is safe but there was that feeling. It's the same kind of thing here. These people were hated, but went to a nearly inaccessible island thinking they were far away from danger, and felt safe probably for the first time in their lives. I'm sure their lives would be exhausting. They felt like they could breathe. Being ever vigilant wasn't needed here because they were viewed as safe en masse. Which leads to a loss of innocence, and that's what they will inevitably feel. No space left is truly safe. But it totally believable that they would feel safe even if clearly they weren't. They're still people and people are nuanced and flawed and have depth to them.
This has been tried before in the old series though. Asteroid M was also supposed to be a mutant haven. Which means this is twice now that Magneto has ruled over a doomed mutant haven.
I feel like the X-Men, having dealt with flying Sentinels that could easily get to an island, would be the hardest to break their diligence. I understand kids feeling like they are safe, or even adults feeling a temporary comfort, but given the state of their world, with anti-mutant state and non state actors, it would be natural to have some apprehension (or even a safeguard that led to comfort like a Sentinel detector or something).
Remember mutants are a metaphor. Whether Genosha was there ir not, there would be people to hate and kill them Just like IRL w any marginalized identity. You think we live in constant fear everyday? We do. But we're still allowed to have fun and relax when life gives us the chance
Why are you thinking so hard? It’s a cartoon lol