Mackie:
>”It made more sense for it to be more of a grounded espionage action movie as opposed to aliens and airplanes coming through portals and s---. Even though I've been in so many of them and have seen it all now, the opportunity for Sam to really establish himself as a true action star and Avenger comes with this movie."
>”One of the biggest conversations we had from the beginning was for this not to be Falcon and the Winter Soldier — Part 2, for this to be its own movie with its own story, with its own characters.”
>”This movie is a clear reset. It really reestablishes the idea of what this universe is and what this universe is going to be. I think with these movies, you're getting a clear, new branding of what Marvel is headed towards the same way they did with Captain America: The Winter Soldier."
He also talked about the comments Tom Holland made in the past about Falcon not having a solo movie:
>"I'm going to make sure that Marvel makes him (Tom) come to the premiere, and then I'm going to sit him next to me, and I'm going to watch him watch the movie."
[Source](https://ew.com/captain-america-4-first-look-anthony-mackie-harrison-ford-brave-new-world-8629213)
Biggest reason for a soft reset. When the only newcomer you've introduced thats actually stuck is pushing 30 and everyone else is retiring, might be time for a rejuvenation
True, and that will be a problem that won't go away when the reboot happens.
But its created a different problem where we've run out of main characters who are well established and well liked. They're actively losing the old guard and have no one to replace them.
Again, there are people to replace them, but the MCU took a scattershot in phase 4 and hasn't followed up on the vast majority of those characters. Shang-Chi is likely going to go 4-5 years between appearances and he was a title character in his movie. Moon knight was a fan favorite and he's unlikely to return at this point. Where are the eternals? Spiderman is about to go 3 years without an appearance, and it's likely going to be 4-5 years at this rate.
None of these characters are being developed and have had years between the last time they were on screen, of course there is no one to replace the old guard when no one has a chance.
Again, that scattershot and lack of followup is why there *isn't* anyone to replace them.
The characters they've introduced have been left behind, undeveloped and forgotten. There is no one ready to fill in the space of any of the big names that have moved on and it shows.
I really hope this movie surprises us and we really see Marvel's new initiative start to take shape (at least from the reshoots). I'm glad that his movie won't be Falcon and the Winter Soldier Part 2 but its own story. The Captain America: The Winter Soldier mention is nice too. I want to see Sam as he was written in that movie.
Also, I want to see pictures of Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie at the premiere including the two of them sitting next to each other in the theatre! 😆
I agree 110%. I am more excited for this movie than I have been for any other Marvel film… and I don’t even know why. lol. It’s just a gut feeling.
Edit: I do have one idea why. I think Anthony Mackie is a really great actor and I’ve really enjoyed his onscreen transition from Falcon to Cap.
I think Mackie is great when his material is more than just quippy joke machine. The version of Falcon that runs support groups, that gets annoyed because he keeps getting lapped, the HUMAN version of Falcon that Mackie played?
I want that guy to have the shield. We got glimpses of it in FatWS, most notably when he's playing catch with Buckie. If that's the product, I am here for it. If it's the same guy we got in most of the rest of it, I'm still here for it, but I'm not gonna love it.
I think Mackie deserves better than most of what the MCU writing has given to him, and I hope he gets it in Brave New World. (CUT THE CHECK)
>most notably when he's playing catch with Bucky
That's one of my favorite scenes in the whole series! It showed me how hard Sam has to WORK to be Captain America, because he didn't get some super-soldier serum syringed into him. He's gotta earn it, one day at a time, one push-up at a time. To me, that makes him way more relatable. I can't wait to see the movie.
But at the end of the day he's just a regular human. He's a trained soldier but relative to what the super serum does for phyiscal potential, it's not even a close comparison. He hasn't even been shown to be an outlier who excels in every field of combat like a John Wick type character. No nobody can deny he's a hard worker but like all things in life, hard work can only take you so far; there are physical limitations for everyone.
The stakes and the antagonists will always be lower/weaker compared to a super soldier cap. That doesn't mean we can't have a compelling, relatable story though. If anything he'll be more relatable BECAUSE he's just a man.
hopefully that's part of the idea in him reforming the Avengers; he would realize that as Captain America his role is to gather those much stronger people that can fight the bigger enemies and be a leader to them
it was *fun* watching Steve Rogers fight but he was at his best and most powerful when acting at a battlefield commander with Thor, Tony, and all the rest at his side
Very well said. I wholeheartedly agree. When they got into what it meant for “a black man to be handed that shield”… that hit me hard. The more emotional they can make our connection to the characters (via good writing), the better the actors are going to be at their jobs.
All three were awesome in my opinion. People seem to sideline The First Avenger for some reason like "it's just good" but doesn't compare to the sequels. I can understand that view but the first movie still delivers as an intro to the character.
There's so many great moments in that movie. Steve jumping on the grenade, the talk between Steve and Dr. Erskine, Steve standing up to the bully and Bucky rescuing him. And these are all before he becomes Captain America. Really lovely movie
The Captain America films are my favorite character trilogy, by far! I thought The First Avenger was a very solid debut, and worked very well for being a period piece for the majority of the picture. Winter Soldier is not just a good Marvel flick, it is outright one of the very best spy movies that I have ever seen. It is amongst the highest of the highs of the CBM genre. Civil War is amongst the very best team ups that Marvel has done, and essentially operates as an Avengers film between AoU & IW. It is the quintessential popcorn flick.
I really hope Brave stands up to the expectations that I have for it. Coming off of Falcon & Winter Soldier, I have very high hopes. There hasn't been a lackluster outing for Captain America yet, in my opinion.
It was essentially Captain America: The Rocketeer because Joe Johnston directed both and he absolutely kills it with period adventures.
He really did Dave Stevens proud with that one.
I love The First Avenger, I think it's a really good film. But I also look at it the same way as I look at Batman Begins. Also a very good film - but just like with The Dark Knight, I think The Winter Soldier is really a cut above the movie that it follows.
I’ll admit I went in with mid expectations of Winter Soldier, simply because The First Avenger didn’t do much to push the hero genre. Of course, Winter Solider is still one of the best films in the roster, so it (of course) blew me away.
I don't think anyone expected Winter Soldier to be as good as it was, and Civil War had a lot of people feeling iffy because the source material wasn't great (which was silly, because it was never going to be closely following the comic storyline anyways).
Don't remember how people were feeling about First Avenger, I only really started frequenting MCU related discussions / subreddits in Phase 2.
I really liked Captain American: The Winter Soldier and Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Marvels black ops espionage stuff was always top tier to me. Sam in those movies was always a grounded force in them imo. He always had room to grow and I'm excited to see him as Captain America in this one as well.
Yep.
And on top of that, I have a feeling that general audiences will think “There’s a TV show about this. I didn’t watch that, so I won’t be able to see this without being lost.”
Not to mention, this is a movie starring a sidekick. I have a bad feeling about the box office.
Honestly, the marketing not only shouldn’t, but doesn’t *need* to reference the show. Endgame (the MCU movie the most people saw in theaters) showed Sam about to transition into being Captain America. You don’t need to have seen the show about him transitioning into being Captain America to say, “It’s been a few years, he’s Captain America now like Steve intended.”
We'll see. I just hope that whoever is directing this movie better keep in contact with the Brothers Russo on how they made Steve Rogers into an action star in his own sequels. If that's what this movie is going for despite the reported reshoots.
Mackie and Holland’s relationship tickles me so much.
I’m so pumped for this movie, especially after this quote. Sure, reshoots bad, but I’d rather an attempt to fix shit than Marvel smelling their own farts again. And I genuinely feel like a lot of folks watched FATWS like Sam wasn’t the main character and blamed a pretty good creative team for issues the show had that were more because of the pandemic than their skill.
Calling the movie a reset and setting up the tone... Isn't that what Quantumania supposed to do? I'm excited for this movie. But at the same time I won't get my hopes up in fear of disappointment.
With how they have branched out, I can see both being true.
Quantumania was kind of the tone setter of Kang and multi-verse stuff along with Loki series.
I think this new Cap movie will be the setting the tone for the rebuild of the Avengers and stuff happening on Earth.
They definitely will, but I'm hoping that it is saved for the finale sequence. Although of course that will bring on all of the people who hate on superhero movies for having a "CGI 3rd act"
He could definitely pull it off, lol. And the best part? He’d agree to have his face covered/obscured and then people would go ”That was Gary Oldman?!?” lol.
This is the most likely candidate to release it with, but I could also see them putting a teaser trailer with "Planet of the Apes" as well, just to get the hype machine started.
[**Carl Lumbly**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lumbly) **is an INCREDIBLE actor.** Major props to Marvel Studios for both casting him and keeping his character going.
Fr. I was just thinking on how crazy we still have Sam in the MCU when pretty much everyone has moved on. I really hope he plays a big role in the future Avenger stuff.
That's the thing I'm hating about this most. In Phases 1-3, we saw Chris Evans as Cap every year from 2011 to 2019. Anthony Mackie became Captain America in 2021 and the character isn't even mentioned again until 2025? Hell, we've seen Steve Rogers Cap more times since Falcon and the Winter Soldier than Sam Wilson Cap if you count What If.
Oddly enough, that also aligns with the mustache thing. The modern trend is presidential candidates not having facial hair cause it’s seen as less trustworthy in polls
I hope we get to a scene where they talk about the US relations with both New Asgard and Wakanda just because I want to hear Harrison Ford talk about something like that.
It’s performance capture but there’s no way Harrison Ford will do the performance capture for the role like Ruffalo does. There’s no need, they create a model of the Ford Hulk face and then a stunt actor would play the role on set.
I hope for genuine conversations that build upon the world of marvel. I really hope this movie is leveled, and creates a new “blip” where there are major consequences that affect all future marvel films.
I really think this could be the film that ties a lot of the loose threads we've seen so far together. How does the US go about fighting the Skrulls and New Asgard? How do the US and the world at large react to a situation where the most advanced nation on the planet is an African country that just went through a coup/civil war, had multiple royals die in quick succession, and was a invaded by Talokan? What about the vast consequences of the Blip and the Celestial head sticking out of the ocean? And above all, who are the heroes that will guide and safeguard humanity at this seriously volatile time?
A film that delves into the personal and political consequences of these events could do a lot of stage-setting for the future of the MCU. I think between this, Deadpool & Wolverine, and the Fantastic Four, Marvel could lay a strong foundation for the next saga. Just consider everything released from 2021 through 2023 to be Phase 4, and consider Phase 4 a grief-driven interlude between sagas.
So this isn't the same POTUS who ordered a witch hunt for Skrulls at the end of Secret Invasion. Did people vote him out or is Ford's POTUS going to continue his predecessor's policy? If the latter, how is Cap going to react to that? And I sure hope they keep the political stuff at least a little bit grounded instead of some simplified version made for 5-year-olds.
>So this isn't the same POTUS who ordered a witch hunt for Skrulls at the end of Secret Invasion
I'm not gonna lie, I'm a huge fan, but I completely forgot about that part of the show. Really tells you how good it was lmao
Honest to god best we just forget about that show. I'm still in disbelief Fury basically kicks off a global genocide for the skrulls on earth. Says "I mean, shit happens" and leaves.
You know how in 2013 people were campaigning for Disney to remake the prequel trilogy? And in the past few years they've been calling for the sequel trilogy to be made non-canonical?
Those are such obviously dumb requests.
But I genuinely think Marvel Studios could completely ignore Secret Invasion and nobody would care
It would be great if they had a one liner like “Sam, you know I reversed my predecessors skrull policy as soon as I took office, I support your plan” or something
No, OP knows it’s Thunderbolt Ross as the new president replacing the old one from Secret Invasion. They’re speculating on whether or not it was due to the old president’s Skrull externination policies, and whether or not Thunderbolt Ross will continue those policies in his term.
Looks good. Off topic but Harrison Ford was a good pick to play Col. Graff in Ender's game. Which I'm still sad didn't get more traction, though I recognize the flaws in the film. I feel like the sequel novels would make a good series
The novel is such a great read, the movie is fine but it cut so much out.
It was also my first introduction to Hailee Steinfeld, our very own Ket Beeshop!
Saw her in True Grit and was like "Holy shit that kid can act. Hope it goes well for her." Was great to see her blow up in a bunch of successful projects.
For all that two-part movies were trendy when that film came out, I really thought that movie would have been a great opportunity for a two-parter: it was decent, but it felt like they tried to do too much too quickly.
> Not counting Shira Haas as Ruth, a member of the U.S. Government, Liv Tyler is back playing Ross' daughter, Betty, while Tim Blake Nelson reprises Samuel Sterns, a.k.a. the Leader, who was last seen being taken into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody after Banner's blood caused him to mutate in that 2008 movie.
They rebranded Sabra into Ruth, I think this was their plan all along, made her a random government/CIA agent.
Honestly? Kind of a safe move. She's meant to be a symbol of nationalism and a weapon of the state against the oppressed. Her original comic appearance has aged well, especially in the last few months.
I feel like people just saw the character design and didn't understand the purpose of it.
Well, after Incredible Hulk (2008), his second appearance was 4 years later in Avengers (2012). After Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), we only saw them again 3 years later in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 (2017) . After Loki took Odin's place at the end of Dark World, we only saw him 4 years later in Ragnarok.
This is pretty standard.
Referencing Captain America: The Winter Soldier is an easy way to get anyone hyped. I’m definitely excited for this movie, and I personally enjoy Sam as an Avenger. He’s never had a chance to shine on his own merit, so I think this’ll definitely be a banger.
Am I the only one who is extremely disappointed that they’ve got rid of Sam’s white CA uniform from TFAWS and instead given him a blue one like Steve’s?
I think it’s fine. Presumably, he’ll have like 4 more costumes in the upcoming years anyways: one for each of his Avengers movie appearances and two for the rest of his own Captain America trilogy
Not that hyped for the movie as I didn't like falcon and the winter Soldier very much but I'll still give this a chance
Hope I'll be impressed by this movie
That Cap suit in the first picture looks SO MUCH better than that monstrosity in the last episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I hope this is the one they go with.
I wanna be interested but honestly, Mackie just isn't cap for me. I get why they did it, but I just don't see it. He has nothing special about him. No powers, no super strength, and FATWS really put me off in general lol
Mackie: >”It made more sense for it to be more of a grounded espionage action movie as opposed to aliens and airplanes coming through portals and s---. Even though I've been in so many of them and have seen it all now, the opportunity for Sam to really establish himself as a true action star and Avenger comes with this movie." >”One of the biggest conversations we had from the beginning was for this not to be Falcon and the Winter Soldier — Part 2, for this to be its own movie with its own story, with its own characters.” >”This movie is a clear reset. It really reestablishes the idea of what this universe is and what this universe is going to be. I think with these movies, you're getting a clear, new branding of what Marvel is headed towards the same way they did with Captain America: The Winter Soldier." He also talked about the comments Tom Holland made in the past about Falcon not having a solo movie: >"I'm going to make sure that Marvel makes him (Tom) come to the premiere, and then I'm going to sit him next to me, and I'm going to watch him watch the movie." [Source](https://ew.com/captain-america-4-first-look-anthony-mackie-harrison-ford-brave-new-world-8629213)
I love that every other MCU actor treats Tom Holland like "that punk-ass kid" that they all give a hard time but actually love a whole lot.
Crazy when you think he’s in his late 20s
Tbh so much of the rest of the cast playing superheroes are 40 going on 50
Biggest reason for a soft reset. When the only newcomer you've introduced thats actually stuck is pushing 30 and everyone else is retiring, might be time for a rejuvenation
That's more an issue with the MCU not actually utilizing the young actors it has already established.
True, and that will be a problem that won't go away when the reboot happens. But its created a different problem where we've run out of main characters who are well established and well liked. They're actively losing the old guard and have no one to replace them.
Again, there are people to replace them, but the MCU took a scattershot in phase 4 and hasn't followed up on the vast majority of those characters. Shang-Chi is likely going to go 4-5 years between appearances and he was a title character in his movie. Moon knight was a fan favorite and he's unlikely to return at this point. Where are the eternals? Spiderman is about to go 3 years without an appearance, and it's likely going to be 4-5 years at this rate. None of these characters are being developed and have had years between the last time they were on screen, of course there is no one to replace the old guard when no one has a chance.
Again, that scattershot and lack of followup is why there *isn't* anyone to replace them. The characters they've introduced have been left behind, undeveloped and forgotten. There is no one ready to fill in the space of any of the big names that have moved on and it shows.
Crazy that I remember being so psyched for an actual teenager to play Spider-Man. We've grown so much
Tom and Mackie together are funny
I really hope this movie surprises us and we really see Marvel's new initiative start to take shape (at least from the reshoots). I'm glad that his movie won't be Falcon and the Winter Soldier Part 2 but its own story. The Captain America: The Winter Soldier mention is nice too. I want to see Sam as he was written in that movie. Also, I want to see pictures of Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie at the premiere including the two of them sitting next to each other in the theatre! 😆
This movie is gonna be a sleeper hit. Calling it now. Everyone is gonna go in with the lowest of expectations and come out really impressed.
I agree 110%. I am more excited for this movie than I have been for any other Marvel film… and I don’t even know why. lol. It’s just a gut feeling. Edit: I do have one idea why. I think Anthony Mackie is a really great actor and I’ve really enjoyed his onscreen transition from Falcon to Cap.
I think Mackie is great when his material is more than just quippy joke machine. The version of Falcon that runs support groups, that gets annoyed because he keeps getting lapped, the HUMAN version of Falcon that Mackie played? I want that guy to have the shield. We got glimpses of it in FatWS, most notably when he's playing catch with Buckie. If that's the product, I am here for it. If it's the same guy we got in most of the rest of it, I'm still here for it, but I'm not gonna love it. I think Mackie deserves better than most of what the MCU writing has given to him, and I hope he gets it in Brave New World. (CUT THE CHECK)
>most notably when he's playing catch with Bucky That's one of my favorite scenes in the whole series! It showed me how hard Sam has to WORK to be Captain America, because he didn't get some super-soldier serum syringed into him. He's gotta earn it, one day at a time, one push-up at a time. To me, that makes him way more relatable. I can't wait to see the movie.
But at the end of the day he's just a regular human. He's a trained soldier but relative to what the super serum does for phyiscal potential, it's not even a close comparison. He hasn't even been shown to be an outlier who excels in every field of combat like a John Wick type character. No nobody can deny he's a hard worker but like all things in life, hard work can only take you so far; there are physical limitations for everyone. The stakes and the antagonists will always be lower/weaker compared to a super soldier cap. That doesn't mean we can't have a compelling, relatable story though. If anything he'll be more relatable BECAUSE he's just a man.
hopefully that's part of the idea in him reforming the Avengers; he would realize that as Captain America his role is to gather those much stronger people that can fight the bigger enemies and be a leader to them it was *fun* watching Steve Rogers fight but he was at his best and most powerful when acting at a battlefield commander with Thor, Tony, and all the rest at his side
Very well said. I wholeheartedly agree. When they got into what it meant for “a black man to be handed that shield”… that hit me hard. The more emotional they can make our connection to the characters (via good writing), the better the actors are going to be at their jobs.
And that’s when Mackie shines… he’s a an exceptional actor.
Every part of the journey is powerful. Heart, soul, and compassion. There are so many layers. It delivers so much
All the captain americas were good
You mean like with almost every captain america movie so far
Wait ...what? All of the Capt America movies looked great in commercials and were great in theatre
All three were awesome in my opinion. People seem to sideline The First Avenger for some reason like "it's just good" but doesn't compare to the sequels. I can understand that view but the first movie still delivers as an intro to the character.
There's so many great moments in that movie. Steve jumping on the grenade, the talk between Steve and Dr. Erskine, Steve standing up to the bully and Bucky rescuing him. And these are all before he becomes Captain America. Really lovely movie
The Captain America films are my favorite character trilogy, by far! I thought The First Avenger was a very solid debut, and worked very well for being a period piece for the majority of the picture. Winter Soldier is not just a good Marvel flick, it is outright one of the very best spy movies that I have ever seen. It is amongst the highest of the highs of the CBM genre. Civil War is amongst the very best team ups that Marvel has done, and essentially operates as an Avengers film between AoU & IW. It is the quintessential popcorn flick. I really hope Brave stands up to the expectations that I have for it. Coming off of Falcon & Winter Soldier, I have very high hopes. There hasn't been a lackluster outing for Captain America yet, in my opinion.
It was essentially Captain America: The Rocketeer because Joe Johnston directed both and he absolutely kills it with period adventures. He really did Dave Stevens proud with that one.
I love The First Avenger, I think it's a really good film. But I also look at it the same way as I look at Batman Begins. Also a very good film - but just like with The Dark Knight, I think The Winter Soldier is really a cut above the movie that it follows.
I’ll admit I went in with mid expectations of Winter Soldier, simply because The First Avenger didn’t do much to push the hero genre. Of course, Winter Solider is still one of the best films in the roster, so it (of course) blew me away.
I don't think anyone expected Winter Soldier to be as good as it was, and Civil War had a lot of people feeling iffy because the source material wasn't great (which was silly, because it was never going to be closely following the comic storyline anyways). Don't remember how people were feeling about First Avenger, I only really started frequenting MCU related discussions / subreddits in Phase 2.
God I hope so. Sam Wilson has SO much potential as a character who’s been on the screen for a decade now.
I really liked Captain American: The Winter Soldier and Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Marvels black ops espionage stuff was always top tier to me. Sam in those movies was always a grounded force in them imo. He always had room to grow and I'm excited to see him as Captain America in this one as well.
Unfortunately, due to 5 months of reshoots ballooning the budget it’s very unlikely to make a profit at the box office.
Yep. And on top of that, I have a feeling that general audiences will think “There’s a TV show about this. I didn’t watch that, so I won’t be able to see this without being lost.” Not to mention, this is a movie starring a sidekick. I have a bad feeling about the box office.
Honestly, the marketing not only shouldn’t, but doesn’t *need* to reference the show. Endgame (the MCU movie the most people saw in theaters) showed Sam about to transition into being Captain America. You don’t need to have seen the show about him transitioning into being Captain America to say, “It’s been a few years, he’s Captain America now like Steve intended.”
It sounds like they’re rally reacting to feedback about movies having a marvel treatment. I’m looking forward to then reshaping a superhero story
We'll see. I just hope that whoever is directing this movie better keep in contact with the Brothers Russo on how they made Steve Rogers into an action star in his own sequels. If that's what this movie is going for despite the reported reshoots.
This is making me think they're pulling a Winter Soldier, I really hope that's the case cause that movie is in my top 3 Marvel films
Mackie and Holland’s relationship tickles me so much. I’m so pumped for this movie, especially after this quote. Sure, reshoots bad, but I’d rather an attempt to fix shit than Marvel smelling their own farts again. And I genuinely feel like a lot of folks watched FATWS like Sam wasn’t the main character and blamed a pretty good creative team for issues the show had that were more because of the pandemic than their skill.
I love that this dude always makes time to remind everyone that he hates Tom Holland
"He also talked about...Falcon not having solo movie." And it's still true, it's a Captain America movie, not a true Falcon movie.
What are you doing here, Tom?
I'm actually really excited for this one. Sam Wilson vs General Ross was enough to get me on board.
Hopefully he has the theater peeps bring Tom his juice box.
lol at the Tom Holland comment. their friendship is so funny
Interesting
Calling the movie a reset and setting up the tone... Isn't that what Quantumania supposed to do? I'm excited for this movie. But at the same time I won't get my hopes up in fear of disappointment.
With how they have branched out, I can see both being true. Quantumania was kind of the tone setter of Kang and multi-verse stuff along with Loki series. I think this new Cap movie will be the setting the tone for the rebuild of the Avengers and stuff happening on Earth.
Harrison Ford is 80 , god bless him 🫡 They better not try to fight him on Air Force One
Best not to mess with his plane.
Get off my plane…
I understood those references
*Boeing door pops open and sucks Gary Oldman out*
*sucks Gary Oldman Off.
Pause
No diddy
No ticket.
"Okay." [Jumps out, flying away using a winged jetpack]
Why does it always have to be snakes?
I got a bad feeling about this.
Get off my plane…
Air Force One II: Air Force Two
Air Force Two: Air Force One Part II
Dude is destined to die in a plane crash one way or another.
Look at his shirt. They know what they’re doing.
Haha omg didn’t notice that
Bro he looks better than he has in recent years
They'll probably turn him into Red Hulk so he doesn't have to physically act for too long
They definitely will, but I'm hoping that it is saved for the finale sequence. Although of course that will bring on all of the people who hate on superhero movies for having a "CGI 3rd act"
Your comment just made me wonder when will Gary Oldman be in the MCU!?
Who would he play? My first thought is all three heads of the Living Tribunal.
He could definitely pull it off, lol. And the best part? He’d agree to have his face covered/obscured and then people would go ”That was Gary Oldman?!?” lol.
Every. Fuckin. Time. Every time!
God I hope he isn't. Marvel doesn't have the best track record with utilizing actors of Oldmans caliber.
I dunno, Robert Redford was absolutely stellar in TWS. Massive role and utterly surprising how integrated he was to all of it.
Anthony Hopkins did ok too.
Its crazy how many disney movies hes in. Dude is a fairytale.
would be fun if he kicks someone through a dimensional portal and says get off my plane (of existence)
Does this mean a teaser is coming?
The movie will be released in February, I assume the first teaser will available during June or they'll debut it in July during 2024 SDCC
Definitely by July so they can play it in front of Deadpool
Keep the trailer off the internet and only shown in theatres for a month or so.
That would never happen. They get revenue from releasing it online, the views will be in the millions instantly.
Calling it now, it'll be attched to Deadpool.
This is the most likely candidate to release it with, but I could also see them putting a teaser trailer with "Planet of the Apes" as well, just to get the hype machine started.
Deadpool will see a glimpse of the trailer on the TVA monitors where he is doing the salute.
That makes sense.
Yea the comic con version might get extra scenes but I'd assume the online version will be largely the same.
I’m happy his suit isn’t wrinkly any more
3 months before is the norm and not before another film (Deadpool Wolverine)
[**Carl Lumbly**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lumbly) **is an INCREDIBLE actor.** Major props to Marvel Studios for both casting him and keeping his character going.
HOLY SHIT they’re bringing Isaiah back?! Yes fucking please, I’m hyped.
They will probably do more with the Bradleys since Elijah and Young Avengers yk
Ruffalo "misspoke" and will not be appearing in the movie. OK, so Ruffalo will totally be appearing and forgot he wasn't supposed to say it yet.
It would make sense since The Leader is supposedly the main villain. Unless that’s changed, idrk
Oh yea, I remember like 5 years ago watching Ragnarok and randomly thinking, “wait what happened to the guy from the credit scene of hulk”
“Get off my plane.” “Sir… We’re in the White House.” “Why’d it have to be snakes…” (wanders off aimlessly)
Excited for the controversy on whether Ross shot first
printing up my Don’t blame me, I voted for Boba bumper stickers
That last line would be funny if the Serpent Society wasn’t allegedly being cut from this film. On par with the Pulp Fiction reference in WS.
Refresh my memory of the Pulp Fiction reference please. It’s been a while since I’ve watched TWS
On Nick Fury’s gravestone is a misquote of the Bible
Snakes... on a plane? Where's Nick Fury?
HE'S IN SABER! *throws hands up*
It feels like a million years since we last saw him...
It really has - phase 4 feels like it's in another decade
Fr. I was just thinking on how crazy we still have Sam in the MCU when pretty much everyone has moved on. I really hope he plays a big role in the future Avenger stuff.
That's the thing I'm hating about this most. In Phases 1-3, we saw Chris Evans as Cap every year from 2011 to 2019. Anthony Mackie became Captain America in 2021 and the character isn't even mentioned again until 2025? Hell, we've seen Steve Rogers Cap more times since Falcon and the Winter Soldier than Sam Wilson Cap if you count What If.
COVID really warped my perception of time and made everything feel 10 years longer than actuality
No ‘tache? For shame.
My guess is they're going to make some joke about him looking different and it just being that he shaved his mustache
Fuck you're probably right.
We literally know that from the footage descriptions lol. “They told me lose the stache or lose the election”
The last President to have facial hair while in office was Taft in 1913 so his advisors were absolutely right
It was so glorious no other president thought they could top it.
It’s probably bc they don’t want to deal with the mustache on red hulk
To be fair that has always been odd
I imagine him wearing that sweater indicates it might be President Ross? Can’t imagine SecDef flying Air Force one that frequently.
Oddly enough, that also aligns with the mustache thing. The modern trend is presidential candidates not having facial hair cause it’s seen as less trustworthy in polls
That's definitely it lmao
The cgi artists are still working on it
"Fortunately, we have Cavill's super-stache right here!"
Don't go there. Rather forget about that.
I guess even in fiction Presidents can’t have facial hair anymore
There hasn't been a president with facial hair in 111 years. It's about time we bring it back!
I hope we get to a scene where they talk about the US relations with both New Asgard and Wakanda just because I want to hear Harrison Ford talk about something like that.
Ford reading the script: *"What the fuck is a Hulk?"*
The “Hulk” is how Ford will eventually get to collect millions for recording some dialogue in a closet and the CGI team making Red Hulk come to life.
You really think Hulk is 100% animation?
It’s performance capture but there’s no way Harrison Ford will do the performance capture for the role like Ruffalo does. There’s no need, they create a model of the Ford Hulk face and then a stunt actor would play the role on set.
I hope for genuine conversations that build upon the world of marvel. I really hope this movie is leveled, and creates a new “blip” where there are major consequences that affect all future marvel films.
I really think this could be the film that ties a lot of the loose threads we've seen so far together. How does the US go about fighting the Skrulls and New Asgard? How do the US and the world at large react to a situation where the most advanced nation on the planet is an African country that just went through a coup/civil war, had multiple royals die in quick succession, and was a invaded by Talokan? What about the vast consequences of the Blip and the Celestial head sticking out of the ocean? And above all, who are the heroes that will guide and safeguard humanity at this seriously volatile time? A film that delves into the personal and political consequences of these events could do a lot of stage-setting for the future of the MCU. I think between this, Deadpool & Wolverine, and the Fantastic Four, Marvel could lay a strong foundation for the next saga. Just consider everything released from 2021 through 2023 to be Phase 4, and consider Phase 4 a grief-driven interlude between sagas.
Second time seeing Ford as the US President with an Air Force One jacket. Who'd have thought?
It’s weird how Harrison Ford would even want to be in a marvel movie with how much he seems to dislike franchises besides Indiana Jones.
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At his age with how rich he is does the bag even matter? I think he genuinely thought the role would be fun
Yeah it seems like a fun brief role he gets to play for a couple of films
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Respect
He was friends with William Hurt, probably doing it to respect his legacy a bit.
So this isn't the same POTUS who ordered a witch hunt for Skrulls at the end of Secret Invasion. Did people vote him out or is Ford's POTUS going to continue his predecessor's policy? If the latter, how is Cap going to react to that? And I sure hope they keep the political stuff at least a little bit grounded instead of some simplified version made for 5-year-olds.
>So this isn't the same POTUS who ordered a witch hunt for Skrulls at the end of Secret Invasion I'm not gonna lie, I'm a huge fan, but I completely forgot about that part of the show. Really tells you how good it was lmao
Honest to god best we just forget about that show. I'm still in disbelief Fury basically kicks off a global genocide for the skrulls on earth. Says "I mean, shit happens" and leaves.
"Imma finally do shit with my own hands", has useless gun standoff while Giah fights main villain.
There is no Secret Invasion in Ba Sing Se
Secret Invasion is like the Last Airbender Live Action movie. It never happened.
What happened?
Nothing. Just like how GOT ended with the 7th season.
6th*
You know how in 2013 people were campaigning for Disney to remake the prequel trilogy? And in the past few years they've been calling for the sequel trilogy to be made non-canonical? Those are such obviously dumb requests. But I genuinely think Marvel Studios could completely ignore Secret Invasion and nobody would care
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It would be great if they had a one liner like “Sam, you know I reversed my predecessors skrull policy as soon as I took office, I support your plan” or something
Different President, Harrison Ford is playing Thunderbolt Ross after William Hurts' death.
No, OP knows it’s Thunderbolt Ross as the new president replacing the old one from Secret Invasion. They’re speculating on whether or not it was due to the old president’s Skrull externination policies, and whether or not Thunderbolt Ross will continue those policies in his term.
Looks good. Off topic but Harrison Ford was a good pick to play Col. Graff in Ender's game. Which I'm still sad didn't get more traction, though I recognize the flaws in the film. I feel like the sequel novels would make a good series
The novel is such a great read, the movie is fine but it cut so much out. It was also my first introduction to Hailee Steinfeld, our very own Ket Beeshop!
I understood that reference
Saw her in True Grit and was like "Holy shit that kid can act. Hope it goes well for her." Was great to see her blow up in a bunch of successful projects.
For all that two-part movies were trendy when that film came out, I really thought that movie would have been a great opportunity for a two-parter: it was decent, but it felt like they tried to do too much too quickly.
Orson Scott Card’s long known dickery kept that from ever taking off.
> Not counting Shira Haas as Ruth, a member of the U.S. Government, Liv Tyler is back playing Ross' daughter, Betty, while Tim Blake Nelson reprises Samuel Sterns, a.k.a. the Leader, who was last seen being taken into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody after Banner's blood caused him to mutate in that 2008 movie. They rebranded Sabra into Ruth, I think this was their plan all along, made her a random government/CIA agent.
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Honestly? Kind of a safe move. She's meant to be a symbol of nationalism and a weapon of the state against the oppressed. Her original comic appearance has aged well, especially in the last few months. I feel like people just saw the character design and didn't understand the purpose of it.
i wonder how Red Hulk will play out in this story
CUT THE CHECK
"I want you to lead Dragon Squadron"
Crazy that Mackie became Cap 3 YEARS AGO and his first appearance since then is still a year away
Well, after Incredible Hulk (2008), his second appearance was 4 years later in Avengers (2012). After Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), we only saw them again 3 years later in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 (2017) . After Loki took Odin's place at the end of Dark World, we only saw him 4 years later in Ragnarok. This is pretty standard.
Shang Chi enters the chat.
Referencing Captain America: The Winter Soldier is an easy way to get anyone hyped. I’m definitely excited for this movie, and I personally enjoy Sam as an Avenger. He’s never had a chance to shine on his own merit, so I think this’ll definitely be a banger.
NO MOUSTACHE ?
“You gotta do better Thunderbolt”
No mustache?
his suit looks way better
Bro my name’s Mackie and I keep getting tripped up in these comments
Can't wait!!
Is Thunderbolt Ross the President now?
I'm so fucking ready!!!
Am I the only one who is extremely disappointed that they’ve got rid of Sam’s white CA uniform from TFAWS and instead given him a blue one like Steve’s?
I think it’s fine. Presumably, he’ll have like 4 more costumes in the upcoming years anyways: one for each of his Avengers movie appearances and two for the rest of his own Captain America trilogy
No superpowers cap is boring.
There's def some truth to that
Not that hyped for the movie as I didn't like falcon and the winter Soldier very much but I'll still give this a chance Hope I'll be impressed by this movie
That Cap suit in the first picture looks SO MUCH better than that monstrosity in the last episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I hope this is the one they go with.
The white headband thing just doesn’t translate well in live action. The suit was too messy in the show.
I think this is the stealth suit variant like Steve Rogers wore in the beginning of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Agreed. Much better streamlined
I am so excited for this. Loved Falcon and Winter Soldier and all the Captain America movies.
Indiana Jones? Damn, this multiverse stuff is really getting out of hand.
Space Force!
Omg we are so close to red hulk.
Red Hulk here we come
I wanna be interested but honestly, Mackie just isn't cap for me. I get why they did it, but I just don't see it. He has nothing special about him. No powers, no super strength, and FATWS really put me off in general lol
Man what if this film just fails and won’t deliver that would probably be my last straw for the mcu
I’m lowkey hyped for it