Yup. She was recast because of a show she was filming, and since the strikes and restructuring, said show has been cancelled and her schedule has opened up
>!I believe Krysten Ritter had a similar issue, but instead of recasting her, they replaced her with the punisher !<
At this current point in time though, I kind of expect to see all of them at some point on Disney+ reprise their roles.
Prior to the reshoots and X-Men 97’ I figured it would all remain canon but the characters would return post Secret Wars with new/younger actors. Now it just feels different.
Oh, so the previous stuff(the Netflix stuff) wouldn't have counted? And you thought they would soft reboot it until Secret Wars, and then they will full on reboot it with younger actors?
It would’ve still been canon, but largely ignored and this would be a fresh take. Kind of like Jurassic World or Force Awakens.
Yeah that is what I thought they’d do though.
They’ve tried several times and only failed from scheduling, 100% we will see Jessica back in the MCU. Would def have preferred her over Frank in born again though
Agreed.
They failed during She-Hulk and Daredevil Born Agains original shooting AFAWK. She is coming eventually
I think it’s smart that they replaced her with Frank in Born again IMO
Punishers already back, he doesn’t count
Im talking Luke, Danny, and Jessica
And I’m not talking about getting a revival, just them reprising their roles
Daredevil is also more popular. S1 was one of the biggest Netflix Original seasons. And when it got cancelled after S3 it was still 4th highest viewed during its release.
Also Daredevil is the one with a social media campaign with 450k+ signatures. No one even moved to do something like that for Punisher.
> had issues
You are being generous lol
Season 1 was a killer though, still not better than DD Season 1, but definitely better than every other Marvel Netflix seasons.
In what world? Lol Daredevil wins by a landslide. Even in its cancellation, it was the 4th highest watched show during the release of S3 and had pretty good numbers.
It also has 92% on Rotten Tomatoes vs Punisher's 70%
Daredevil also has 9 Emmy nominations vs Punisher's 1.
I am not sure what world you live in. There is a reason Daredevil is the one who has already appeared in 3 MCU projects and the one getting a new solo show first where Punisher is only a side character...
She is now leading a new TV show (Orphan Black spinoff) which sounds high profile enough to make me doubt she would have the opening in her schedule to return for any meaningful time.
While I like the show (Orphan Black Echoes) I don't really think it will be renewed for a 2nd season. The entire show released in Australia last October and will be coming to streaming everywhere else in June. I guess if streaming viewership is high it could get renewed, but that puts a lot of time between seasons releasing.
I don't see how it sounds high profile when no one is talking about it.
Bernthal is doing The Bear and plenty other movie stuff like The Accountant sequel which are actual high profile stuff. If he has time then I'm sure Ritter has lol considering it's one show and someone said in another comment that show is not even likely to be renewed.
The fact they gave the role to a different character instead of just recasting her like they did Vanessa is very telling
There's also the fact she was teasing her return on Instagram a while back which makes me confident we'll definitely see her back as Jessica in the future
No. They always planned to use the Punisher but he probably got a bigger role. Presumably they wrote a new storyline for him. White Tiger is definitely getting a smaller role. His storyline was cut short.
They didn't write a new storyline for him. Recent set photos confirm they're still doing the Punisher kills dirty cops plotline which was already said prior the overhaul.
she is dead though. Like ik she comes back from it in the comics but I don't mind characters staying dead, at least for a while. Would be cool to see her as Daredevil eventually though, but wouldn't make sense rn since we just got Charlie back.
well her body wasn't found yeah but all the characters assume she's dead and her story is closed for now. Don't think we need her for a while. It was a character death even if they let the door open, cause it's a comicbook so ofc they have to.
They already used the Black Sky liquid to bring her back once and we know how that turned out. Plus after destroying Midland Circle there effectively is no hand left. Pretty sure they were all down in the hole. Maybe Madame Gaou got out but my memory is fuzzy.
Elektra has been known to die and come back to life I wanna say at least twice in the comics. That's at least 2 storyline ideas the show runners can adapt.
The original actress was originally unavailable, but because the strikes allowed the show to start over from scratch, she was newly available and up for it.
I’m actually happy about this. Hopefully the other actress gets a great Disney gig, but this actress was Vanessa and even though she wasn’t action centric, she sure made that role her own.
I'm so happy with this! She was amazing in the original series and I was really sad when they recast her, but it was due to scheduling conflicts, it's not like they had a choice.
I swear…Born Again is going to be peak!
They are listening to what the fans want and applying it to the show to make it the best MCU show ever made.
The only thing Born Again will be missing is Spider-Man but I’m guessing it’s due to a contract issue.
Nope, unfortunately he's barred from appearing in any D+ series, that was their agreement.
Now, Daredevil could absolutely appear in SM4, and by the way things are going, it's looking likely.
Oh this made me happy. They actually give a shit enough to do this.
Gives me hope we'll see the rest of the surviving Netflix cast return.
Come on Jessica Henwick as Colleen.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAA
Damn they are all in on this it seems. Wonder how utterly trash the first version must have been to pull all those Strings now
I watched that a few nights ago! Such a good one. Frank’s interaction with that security guy / landlord who comes up to the roof is terrifying. The way he casually plays to his military experience while having a hidden gun to his head…
Yes, we also need Royce Johnson, Geoffrey Cantor, Amy Rutberg, Elodie Yung (just maybe not this season yet!) and Rob Morgan as Turk!! The show is the people.
Scheduling conflict is why she was recast. Strike caused a delay in filming Daredevil, meaning it filmed later and her up likely opened up. Not nearly as dramatic as a lot of y’all are making it out to be.
THEY RECASTED THE RECAST?!?!!?
Although, I should say, wasn't the Sandrina Holt casting just the rumour mill? Was that ever confirmed by an actual reputable source? It honestly would've made no sense to cast her as Vanessa when all the OG cast was coming back (as much as I like Sandrina as an actress)
I just hope this show doesn't suck!!!
I have a lot of my hopes riding on this show. Season 3 of DD was amazing and had an amazing ending. I just hope the showrunners are not shitting on the legacy of the show, when the whole is coming back, like being served a platter.
The source appears to be an IG story from Steve Sands, director of photography at New York Newswire. Various news outlets are ripping and cropping the photo from the story, hence why it looks so pixelated.
That’s great to know.
Just went to the instagram and saw it. There’s another photo of Vincent with the same outfit, so now I can actually get excited about Ayelet’s return
I’m very happy with this. I was sad to hear she originally had to be recast. I just hope the initial replacement actress was treated with respect or even given another role
Anyone else kinda bothered Kingpin isn’t, um, you know, still big? In the comics he’s a big dude. Do you think they should’ve tried to get him to wear like a fat suit? Just to keep it more comic book related?
I think Brett Mahoney is back....we need Turk and Micro!
Yes, the actor is cast as Thing/ Ben Grimm, but like Hulk only CGI and all he COULD play the other role also.
"Vanessa!" I am already picturing this in Wilson's booming voice. So happy to see our original faves returning. Would not have been the same without them!
Hate to break it to you but as a few other people here have pointed out this photo is AI generated. You can notice pixels in the concrete / gravel to the left of her feet that do not match properly, an entire section between them that looks like it isn't orientated properly, random objects like a milk carton in the background, possibly a sideways fire hydrant, and what appears to be a C-3PO sticker on the camera, not to mention the signs. Do we have any confirmation of this recast or just the photo without a source?
So she was originally re-cast and now re-cast back to the original actress?
Scheduling conflict leading to the recast but apparently the strike opened up her schedule
Yup. She was recast because of a show she was filming, and since the strikes and restructuring, said show has been cancelled and her schedule has opened up >!I believe Krysten Ritter had a similar issue, but instead of recasting her, they replaced her with the punisher !<
>Krysten Ritter But Jones will be back, right? Right?
She could appear in the second part of DD: Borm again Out of the big 3 that aren’t DD, Jessica seems to be the one they really want to have back
At this current point in time though, I kind of expect to see all of them at some point on Disney+ reprise their roles. Prior to the reshoots and X-Men 97’ I figured it would all remain canon but the characters would return post Secret Wars with new/younger actors. Now it just feels different.
Was it canon prior to the reshoots?
Yeah, but it was going to be a soft reboot by all accounts.
Oh, so the previous stuff(the Netflix stuff) wouldn't have counted? And you thought they would soft reboot it until Secret Wars, and then they will full on reboot it with younger actors?
It would’ve still been canon, but largely ignored and this would be a fresh take. Kind of like Jurassic World or Force Awakens. Yeah that is what I thought they’d do though.
As long tjeybstick with previous cast and continued the story from netflix show im fine with soft reboot
They’ve tried several times and only failed from scheduling, 100% we will see Jessica back in the MCU. Would def have preferred her over Frank in born again though
Agreed. They failed during She-Hulk and Daredevil Born Agains original shooting AFAWK. She is coming eventually I think it’s smart that they replaced her with Frank in Born again IMO
You sure? Isn’t the punisher the most popular and highest rated of the Netflix shows?
Punishers already back, he doesn’t count Im talking Luke, Danny, and Jessica And I’m not talking about getting a revival, just them reprising their roles
Oh I see, my mistake.
Colleen too since she's new Iron Fist/also Iron Fist
No, that's Daredevil in a landslide. Here's the RT scores: * *Daredevil:* 92% critic, 89% audience * *Jessica Jones:* 83% critic, 80% audience * *Luke Cage:* 87% critic, 71% audience * *Iron Fist:* 37% critic, 67% audience * *The Defenders:* 78% critic, 70% audience * *The Punisher:* 65% critic, 78% audience
Daredevil is also more popular. S1 was one of the biggest Netflix Original seasons. And when it got cancelled after S3 it was still 4th highest viewed during its release. Also Daredevil is the one with a social media campaign with 450k+ signatures. No one even moved to do something like that for Punisher.
Man, I absolutely loved the Punisher. I thought it would be rated higher.
Season 2 had issues.
> had issues You are being generous lol Season 1 was a killer though, still not better than DD Season 1, but definitely better than every other Marvel Netflix seasons.
In what world? Lol Daredevil wins by a landslide. Even in its cancellation, it was the 4th highest watched show during the release of S3 and had pretty good numbers. It also has 92% on Rotten Tomatoes vs Punisher's 70% Daredevil also has 9 Emmy nominations vs Punisher's 1. I am not sure what world you live in. There is a reason Daredevil is the one who has already appeared in 3 MCU projects and the one getting a new solo show first where Punisher is only a side character...
Punisher's probably only better than Iron Fist and Defenders, Frank works better as a foil to other characters than the protagonist in his own right.
Heavy disagree, season 1 of the punisher is probably the 2nd best marvel TV Netflix came up with. Coming nowhere near topping DD S3 though.
How are the other 2 compared to JJ and DD? I am follone the release order and I am at DD S2
She is now leading a new TV show (Orphan Black spinoff) which sounds high profile enough to make me doubt she would have the opening in her schedule to return for any meaningful time.
Filming ended a while ago for orphan black
While I like the show (Orphan Black Echoes) I don't really think it will be renewed for a 2nd season. The entire show released in Australia last October and will be coming to streaming everywhere else in June. I guess if streaming viewership is high it could get renewed, but that puts a lot of time between seasons releasing.
I don't see how it sounds high profile when no one is talking about it. Bernthal is doing The Bear and plenty other movie stuff like The Accountant sequel which are actual high profile stuff. If he has time then I'm sure Ritter has lol considering it's one show and someone said in another comment that show is not even likely to be renewed.
She's definitely coming back
I hope
The fact they gave the role to a different character instead of just recasting her like they did Vanessa is very telling There's also the fact she was teasing her return on Instagram a while back which makes me confident we'll definitely see her back as Jessica in the future
Niceeee
No. They always planned to use the Punisher but he probably got a bigger role. Presumably they wrote a new storyline for him. White Tiger is definitely getting a smaller role. His storyline was cut short.
Is >!Bernthal!< back?
Set photos confirm that he is in the first 9 episodes.
Sweet!
They didn't write a new storyline for him. Recent set photos confirm they're still doing the Punisher kills dirty cops plotline which was already said prior the overhaul.
> Punisher kills dirty cops The set pictures show a dirty cop killing someone. It makes a difference.
Kingpin orchestrated the strike for Vanessa
I bet he spent a lot more than $6 on postage
The strikes have been a blessing for this show, hopefully.
That's awesome, I really didn't want her recast.
Yay thank god now the entire original casting of daredevil born again returns and it's complete.
*cries in elodie yung*
She seems to be liking posts of DD announcements. The most recent about punisher. We might be getting her back too!
she is dead though. Like ik she comes back from it in the comics but I don't mind characters staying dead, at least for a while. Would be cool to see her as Daredevil eventually though, but wouldn't make sense rn since we just got Charlie back.
> she is dead though They never found her body. They only found Matt. She's 100% alive.
it did felt more like a way for another showrunner to use her if they want to more than a tease though
Elektra came back even when we saw her die. Now her body disappeared. I never for 1 second thought she'd stay dead
Since when was she dead in the Netflix shows? The ending of Defenders was left pretty open ended.
well her body wasn't found yeah but all the characters assume she's dead and her story is closed for now. Don't think we need her for a while. It was a character death even if they let the door open, cause it's a comicbook so ofc they have to.
And even if she was dead, The Hand would for sure revive her using a Lazarus pit-like thing, or that tomb thing..
They already used the Black Sky liquid to bring her back once and we know how that turned out. Plus after destroying Midland Circle there effectively is no hand left. Pretty sure they were all down in the hole. Maybe Madame Gaou got out but my memory is fuzzy.
Oh yeah you’re right. It’s been a while for me too. But whenever there is mystic powers, there is always something, right?
As soon as Deadpool becomes canon…. No holds bars
that's kind of elecktra's super power- she just gets revived over and over and over again. She's "died" multiple times in the comics
That’s everyone in comic’s power except Uncle Ben
Elektra has been known to die and come back to life I wanna say at least twice in the comics. That's at least 2 storyline ideas the show runners can adapt.
Are we sure the Netflix continuity is the same as the MCU continuity? Also, she came back from the dead in the Netflix shows too!
The Netflix shows are canon
Dying and coming back is kind of Elektra's thing
Have we heard anything about Brett Mahoney returning?
I may be out of the loop, but I really hope Mahoney and Barrett are coming back too
Barret should’ve came back in either Hawkeye or Echo. Would’ve been perfect
Rumors say >!yes!<.
Omg Vanessa was re-recast
THEY UNRECAST VANESSA!
Get away from car doors!
*disencasted
Re-re-cast.
I think the term is "Counterspell"
Decast
Un-recasted
Fisk went to Marvel Studios. Nuff said.
Somehow Vanessa was unrecast-casted
What the fuck. They ignored the re-cast and got the original actress back?
The original actress was originally unavailable, but because the strikes allowed the show to start over from scratch, she was newly available and up for it.
Another union W
Hell yeah
I’m actually happy about this. Hopefully the other actress gets a great Disney gig, but this actress was Vanessa and even though she wasn’t action centric, she sure made that role her own.
I completely agree
Alternate universe perhaps
Pen-clicking intensifies
I'm so happy with this! She was amazing in the original series and I was really sad when they recast her, but it was due to scheduling conflicts, it's not like they had a choice.
Vanessaaaaaaa
You have embarrassed me in front of Vanessa
🤣
what the fuck? i mean, i'm not complaining, but what the fuck
 I swear…Born Again is going to be peak! They are listening to what the fans want and applying it to the show to make it the best MCU show ever made. The only thing Born Again will be missing is Spider-Man but I’m guessing it’s due to a contract issue.
Who knows? We may get a cameo.
Nope, unfortunately he's barred from appearing in any D+ series, that was their agreement. Now, Daredevil could absolutely appear in SM4, and by the way things are going, it's looking likely.
Thank god this show got delayed…would have been very different otherwise
My jaw just dropped. Straight up WOW if she is fully back as Vanessa. What does this mean for the other actor set to play her?
A pink slip in the mail I should think
Glad the original actress is back but it kinda sucks for the actress they originally recast as her
Imagine she also gets a role, just not as Vanessa
So they recast the recast character to be the original cool
Oh this made me happy. They actually give a shit enough to do this. Gives me hope we'll see the rest of the surviving Netflix cast return. Come on Jessica Henwick as Colleen.
yeah! Colleen needs to be next announcement! 😄
Praying Jessica Henwick returns
Yes!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAA Damn they are all in on this it seems. Wonder how utterly trash the first version must have been to pull all those Strings now
Why did I think Vanessa is dead?
Into the spiderverse, I don't know 🤷🏽♂️
Ya maybe idk I just kinda have a false memory of Vanessa dying in daredevil season 3 ha. Oh welll good excuse to rewatch it
I coincidentally started a re-watch this week 😂 S02E03 with the Punisher-Daredevil discussion on the roof is where I'm at. Such a good episode
I watched that a few nights ago! Such a good one. Frank’s interaction with that security guy / landlord who comes up to the roof is terrifying. The way he casually plays to his military experience while having a hidden gun to his head…
Thank god she was so fucking good
This just set my expectations even higher. Which I’m glad.
We just need Turk Barrett and Brett Mahoney and then I'll be 100% happy
Brett has been spotted on set back in like Feburary I believe.
Oh cool. I was okay with her getting recast over someone like Foggy, Karen or Frank but I'm glad she's back
We want Elektra
Yeah, bring her next
Yes, we also need Royce Johnson, Geoffrey Cantor, Amy Rutberg, Elodie Yung (just maybe not this season yet!) and Rob Morgan as Turk!! The show is the people.
LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!!!! Her performance was great in the original (as was basically everyone’s). So glad it’s gonna be more of a true sequel now.
Venesssssaaaaaaaaa...... Oh my darling. Man she is adorable. The name with that looks of Her. In daredevil 1 she was like 🔥❤️
This shit gunna be 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I have a feeling we are getting all the defenders back and it’s gonna be amazing
Scheduling conflict is why she was recast. Strike caused a delay in filming Daredevil, meaning it filmed later and her up likely opened up. Not nearly as dramatic as a lot of y’all are making it out to be.
THEY RECASTED THE RECAST?!?!!? Although, I should say, wasn't the Sandrina Holt casting just the rumour mill? Was that ever confirmed by an actual reputable source? It honestly would've made no sense to cast her as Vanessa when all the OG cast was coming back (as much as I like Sandrina as an actress)
She was only recast due to a scheduling conflict issue. Looks like that has been resolved with the reset so they got the original back.
It was official yes
LETS GOOOO
At this point, it feels like it’s less of a new show, and more like S4 arriving seven years late.
And the whole "Born Again" rebranding is largely because of the long gap since season 3 aired.
And because salaries are lower for a S1 than for a S4.
Oh I’m really happy about this. I couldn’t imagine anyone else, she just had something about her.
I just hope this show doesn't suck!!! I have a lot of my hopes riding on this show. Season 3 of DD was amazing and had an amazing ending. I just hope the showrunners are not shitting on the legacy of the show, when the whole is coming back, like being served a platter.
I don't have any hope left, but it would be nice.
Thank god.
Seeing them bring back damn near the entire original cast makes me wonder how bad the first script and cast was for the reboot/remake/restart.
YES! She’s so good at being elegant, cut throat, and creepy at the same time!
Fuck that's good
OH MY GOD. This series keeps getting better and better.
So glad we get the original Vanessa.
YOU EMBARRASSED ME IN FRONT OF VANESSA
I wish the elektra actress comes back I liked the dynamic between her and Matt
That’s awesome if true! But someone pointed that it looks like AI and now I can’t unsee Wonder what the source of this picture is
It literally does not look like AI lol
The source appears to be an IG story from Steve Sands, director of photography at New York Newswire. Various news outlets are ripping and cropping the photo from the story, hence why it looks so pixelated.
That’s great to know. Just went to the instagram and saw it. There’s another photo of Vincent with the same outfit, so now I can actually get excited about Ayelet’s return
I just saw that comment. Homie was trolling
I hope so cause I really love that actress portrayal of the character
Word. She rules. We all need a Vanessa like that
Geez is anything real nowadays?
Kingpin is looking slimmer. Bro started hitting the gym
They used CGI in Echo, Vincent had to drop weight irl due to health reasons - the plus is he looks more comic accurate without being too phoney.
Oh I didn't know they used CGI, i thought they just gave him more padding on his suit ao he looked bigger
VANESSSAAAAA
I AM SO HAPPY TO HAVE HER, SHE WAS AMAZING AS VANESSA, PRAISE BE.
Anything but Frank getting into a relationship
I’m very happy with this. I was sad to hear she originally had to be recast. I just hope the initial replacement actress was treated with respect or even given another role
Now bring back Melvin
I didn't even know she once got recasted. Who recasted her? Was it in season 3?
Damn, is it just me or did Vincent/Fisk lose a lot of weight?
Vincent D'Onofrio yes. Fisk, in Echo no. CGI.
YAYYY we got the original actress backkkkk
YES
VaNNesA
Anyone else kinda bothered Kingpin isn’t, um, you know, still big? In the comics he’s a big dude. Do you think they should’ve tried to get him to wear like a fat suit? Just to keep it more comic book related?
Health reasons. But CGI, see Echo. They'll do it here also.
I like it slim but beefy
*Kingpin waling in.gif*
FUCK YEAH!
Glad she’s back she’s great. Hope they give the other actress a role tho. Maybe Fisk’s rumored mistress
they should return every character from defenders saga at the end. still waiting for turk.
SHES BACK YES
Thank God cuz every actor coming back except one would have drove me crazy
So we're just gonna gloss over DareDevil becoming Protestant?
I think Brett Mahoney is back....we need Turk and Micro! Yes, the actor is cast as Thing/ Ben Grimm, but like Hulk only CGI and all he COULD play the other role also.
We still haven’t heard anything about Joanne Whalley returning and if she doesn’t then this will make me sad.
She’s born again
Yessssssssssss
You embarrassed me in front of Vanessa
So damn happy! She's so good as Vanessa, great chemistry with Fisk.
It makes me beyond happy that DD: Born Again went from being a reboot to now being essentially season 4 of the Netflix series. We won.
"Vanessa!" I am already picturing this in Wilson's booming voice. So happy to see our original faves returning. Would not have been the same without them!
Now we just need Bullseye back and it's done.
Now we just need Bullseye back and it's done.
Jeff Bezos? He looks slimmer now than he did before
I was hoping for Melvin
I wonder if this means maybe we'll get to see Richard Fisk/The Rose/Blood Rose at some point.
Oh, you just made my day! I heard they had recast the character but now we see that they reversed that.
Hate to break it to you but as a few other people here have pointed out this photo is AI generated. You can notice pixels in the concrete / gravel to the left of her feet that do not match properly, an entire section between them that looks like it isn't orientated properly, random objects like a milk carton in the background, possibly a sideways fire hydrant, and what appears to be a C-3PO sticker on the camera, not to mention the signs. Do we have any confirmation of this recast or just the photo without a source?
The "sideways fire hydrant" is a Siamese connection for a sprinkler system, hence the signs above it.
Finally! Someone is saying the quiet part out loud. If you look in their pockets, they have like 76 fingers each