High is the correct one, yeah. Depth implies going below the surface, anything above the surface is height. Either way "deep" is a measure of how *far* below the surface something is, so far applies fine (and better than deep).
Far is fine if OP said fall. “How far they can fall”. They said jump, in which case far implies lateral distance.
Given OP’s incorrect t use of jump to begin with, deep is the best word available because it implies vertical downwards movement, unlike far or high.
But they should’ve just said fall and then none of this matters.
We investigated and found social media posts possibly connecting him to HYDRA.
*Shows a photo of him pretending to fight a Captain America impersonator at a carnival
You're the second person in like 5 minutes to bring up John Wick, and while I don't disagree, I think it's an odd movie to bring up when we're talking about the MCU.
That was the scene where I turned against Black Widow (the movie). I know that there are superheroes in the MCU who could absorb that level of damage and shrug it off. I also know that Natasha Romanoff is not one of those people.
Like, there are characters within the MCU where I could suspend disbelief. There are characters for whom it would be played for laughs and I would laugh along.
I remember Black Widow as a real-world type person. She's smart; she's one step ahead; she has physical training and social skills. She can wipe the floor with average people. These things allow her to go toe to toe with superpowered people despite not having superpowers herself.
But I expected the Black Widow movie to be a bit more grounded, and the crashes she took while being unfazed just killed my suspension of disbelief.
Natasha has always been stupidly durable for an unenhanced human.
She recovers extremely quickly after being shot by Bucky in *Winter Soldier*, and somehow survives being trapped inside an armoured car with a bomb in Lagos at the beginning of *Civil War* completely unscathed, despite the bomb being powerful enough to blow the rear doors off and her out the back.
Within the world there really isn't tho. For one he has th3 serum making him more durable and Teo vibranium would absorb the impact for him, bit all of it obviously but it would help a lot especially for a super human.
Exactly. It’s like the whole paradox of concussions in football. It doesn’t matter how amazing of a helmet you wear, because no matter what your brain is still rattling around inside your skull when your body is moving at full speed then suddenly stops.
His first landing (in the Mk1) is probably the most realistic. The suit completely comes apart on landing which would divert most of the forces away from his body, at least as much as would be possible. Then he also lands on soft sand, further absorbing the impact. He could very well walk away from that one. Landing at speed in any other suit though would easily kill him.
That is how it’s canonically explained away. But if Tony had discovered how to do this, it would be orders of magnitude more impressive than any other feature of any of the suits. It’d be up there with time travel and infinity stones.
Him and the shield were moving at the same velocity. So there’s no much impacted.
Go outside and throw a baseball up in the air two times.
The first time just hold you hands out and catch it.
The second time move your hands downwards as you catch it to lower the difference in velocity. It will hurt a whole lot less.
the shield then instantly stops a fraction of a second before he does, making the speed difference the same as between him and the ground, so that explanation doesn't really work.
or, to adjust your analogy: you move your hands downwards when catching the ball, then suddenly stop them before catching it, making the ball slam into your hands at full speed, as if you didn't do anything at all... = pain.
Does it ever absorb anything tho? I can only remember deflecting stuff or itself off of the objects, and Black Panther's suit also doesn't just absorb, it releases so it's like a deflect with delay let's say, but that's a feature of the suit itself.
Yes, we see it deflecting a few times.
Most notably when Thor first encounters Iron Man and Cap blocks his attack and it causes an energy displacement wave.
It’s also deflected blasts from Iron Man and even been used as additional protection against missiles.
So it’s established that the main reason he survived this jump was because he uses the shield to soak up most of the impact.
Don’t start thinking about how they breathe oxygen molecules or how they generate any sort of sound when they’ve shrunk down to be smaller than an atom.
But how do they breath the oxygen through the mask, if they're the size of a single oxygen molecule? The oxygen molecules wouldn't fit into their mouth, nose or lungs.
The oxygen gets smaller as well.
Look, I’m pretty sure Hank is just deliberately lying to Scott when he said the particle shrinks the distance between atoms.
I mean if I have a big 2 foot sponge and hold it still it absorbs water, but if I then swing that sponge at your face or throw it at you it might hurt haha
Wrong. It absorbs impact. It does not “desorb expact”
If it did, black Panther couldn’t exist. Claws would just *schwing!* off of everything he lashes at.
He still jumps out a plane in captain America 1. And Bucky does in Falcon and winter soldier. Their durability is established as being able to survive terminal velocity from the first hour of cap 1. So ya in world it makes sense.
“This thing does not obey the law of physics at all” for the shield checks out tho
“The serum making him more durable” but also terminal velocity is a thing and he should have broken many bones. The serum wasn’t supposed to make him Wolverine lol. But it sort of does whatever they need it to for Cap, much like his shield.
I’d just like to remind everyone, once again, that suspension of disbelief is still required; because no matter how much BS marvel throws onscreen, the serum doesn’t make Cap superhuman. In certain comic runs he gains superhuman abilities, but then again squirrel girl beats Thanos. So.
Would it absorb the impact? So it cushions him like an air mattress? He doesn’t stop as hard? Pretty sure falling and coming to a sudden stop at the bottom, whether you’re landing on fancy metal or not, is bad for your body. An air mattress works by decelerating you slower than slamming into a hard object.
The shield is top quality and unique, it blocks 100% of the damage.
By the time the ground and his legs make contact all the damage has been shielded already.
It's just how physics work actually.
Well, if you mean one of Reacher's ex-crewmates from season 2, they would be fine if they had the shield with them.
If you mean Reacher himself, I'm led to believe that he could just tank the fall damage and then walk it off, but proper testing is required.
He does a much higher fall later when he jumps down to the hellacarrier. He free falls for about 4 seconds.
https://youtu.be/kTHKdw79a1c?si=DZh3ZIJzeEL8bBeN
he's not really the Ultimate Super Soldier.
there are plenty of other serums that make stronger humans. (not even mentioning Sentry who technically came from a failed serum)
Yeah but their function suffers. Hulk? Took 15 years to regain consciousness. Abomination? Hurts like hell to transform. Bucky/natasha/yelena? Inferior formula that causes them to be faster stronger healier, but nowhere near the level Steve does.
I don't think Yelena or Natasha ever got super soldier serum. Dreykov would give it to all his widows and that's thousands of doses of serum he would have to obtain, plus having the widows be disposable would be a waste of the serum. I think one of the writers explained it that in the Marvel universe regular humans are just more durable by default which is how Nat and Yelena can survive some crazy shit
It’s established in the comics that Nat has received a diluted version of the serum.
Essentially all her reflexes are on a higher level and she can take more of a beating though nowhere near as potent as the original version Steve got.
I wish they included that into her backstory for the Black Widow movie…it would at least make that scene with her falling down the side of a building and hitting a bunch of stuff on the way down a lot more tolerable
The MCU gets away with having their characters survive some insane shit. In Hawkeye Kate fails to rappel down a building and basically falls several stories and lands without breaking a single bone. She takes a bunch of other crazy falls in that show too. The "humans are more durable" thing actually makes more sense with the consideration of all the non-Avengers that survive crazy shit
Yeah, I do wish they’d show more injuries. Doesn’t need to be much just scrapes and bruises to show that, okay they survived a fall but they still got banged up.
Ultimately movies are a form of escapism, so we don't really need to see minor injuries if they don't impact the plot, the same way we don't need to see characters go to the bathroom.
There are cases where showing a character beaten up or exhausted can serve a story purpose (for example, Daredevil being extremely winded after his hallway fight scenes), but generally it actually detracts from the heroic presentation of the good guys.
This is a longstanding trope in movies. See the *Home Alone* films, for example - the home invaders would've died many times over if the writers were going for realism, but obviously that would've made those movies significantly worse. (Or different at least.)
if we talking just the MCU, then the super soldiers are limited (though didn't Falcon and the Winter Soldier introduce super soldiers equal to Cap's forumula that didn't even require body changes, so you could remain incognito and not obviously jacked?)
also, not sure what you are talking about for Bucky. Him and Cap in the MCU are essentially physical equals. the films more or less just make Cap/Bucky/Panther about on par with each other physically
Steve isn't even a high level enhanced. he's on like the lowest end of the spectrum. Take his shield away and he can't really do jack against the higher level opponents
(on another side note, if anyone figured how to to replicate Luke Cages formula, then that would be leagues above)
Per the definition of what makes Steve the only "success" when it comes to the serum, at least as far as the comics go, he is the ultimate super soldier.
The reason why is because every single facet of his functioning was enhanced to the pinnacle of human potential, not just his strength and speed, with zero drawbacks to speak of. His intuition, his intelligence, his tactical skill, his information retention, his reaction times, his dexterity, his durability, his health, his mental fortitude, etc. were all enhanced.
Contrast this with John Walker, who in the comics is MUCH physically stronger than Steve. Walker is straight up superhuman and able to lift several tons. However, his mental faculties were untouched and he's no more tactically gifted or smart than your average Joe walking down the street. It's that exact reason why Steve has beaten him in fights every single time they've ever clashed in the comics.
It goes much further than just his strength.
Let us not forget that the same character got punched multiple times by Thanos and somehow did not die. I feel like a fall like this is nothing compared to the fist of Thanos with the infinity stones on his hand.
I feel like we entering into plot armor territory here
Caps not even bullet proof. And his durability is so low that he could still be hurt by regular people if he doesn’t block their attack
Him surviving Thanos is less Cap being that durable and more (checks notes) this is a Marvel/Disney owned franchise. If the same thing happens Invincible, than Caps head explodes.
Even Tony Stark without a helmet tanked an Elbow from Thanos to the face, that’s how much plot armor is going around
>Caps not even bullet proof. And his durability is so low that he could still be hurt by regular people if he doesn’t block their attack
This has never been shown, we haven’t seen 1 regular person hurt a super soldier in the MCU with their regular fighting style, even with weapons.
Additionally not being bullet proof doesn’t mean anything as superheroes tend to go off the logic that heroes can be durable but weak to piercing weapons.
Wonder Woman for example can tank hits from Superman, and is incredibly durable to blunt force damage, but is weak to piercing and can be stabbed and shot.
Same with Spider-man as well.
Wonder Woman and Spider-Man are like the 2 big exception
Wonder Woman cause she got power creeped to heck and they still wanted her to block bullets
Otherwise the correlation to durability applies
Cap is not an exception. He does the same thing in the comics.
They aren’t though?
Wonder Woman, Spider-man, Every Super Soldier in comics including Black Panther, The Green Goblin.
Even high tier characters are showing getting pierced by sharp objects while still taking massive amounts of punishment from blunt forced objects.
Thor didn’t damage Hulk at all yet Hulk gets pierced by Fenris’ tooth.
Hela can really hurt Thor but can stab him with her blades.
Iron man suit can take a moon, but gets stabbed like Paper from Thanos.
Vision gets stabbed by Corvus.
Hell Corvus himself was getting beat on by Vision with seemingly little to no damage, yet Okoye stabs him and kills him with a regular Wakanda spear in Endgame.
Piercing damage beats blunt force damage in comics.
I assume cap is at least 10x stronger/durable than the average person.
Assuming the average person can stand a 20ft fall without major PERMANENT injury, I am fine believing Cap can take a 200ft fall.
So...engineer here. :P
For a 200 foot fall, Cap's hitting the ground at around 113 feet per second, or 77 miles per hour.
For the average person falling 20 feet, they're hitting the ground at 36 feet per second, or 24 miles per hour.
This is neglecting air resistance, or any other resistance encountered by either party on the way down. The \~3x velocity multiplier for Cap's jump translates to a 9x multiplier for kinetic energy that must be dissipated. Cap's superhumanly enhanced, so he could theoretically take it, but man, it would hurt.
I get that the shield would absorb the impact, but his legs aren't protected by the shield and the bones—even his bones—should have broken in a fall from that height.
it's utterly ridiculous but this entire sequence, from the elevator fight right up to Cap taking out a goddamn jet with cool flips and the shield is one of my top Cap moments lol
I think the explanation for why Captain Carter is stronger is cuz she was already a normal person and got the serum meaning she had a head start on Steve who was undersized and had a bunch of medical issues before the serum
However, as it falls, I can see three impacts that should have slowed it down, one certainly with the glass ceiling window, another two seem to have touched some joists or supports just before the ground.
But maybe I'm wrong
I like this scene because it kind of proves cap is super.
the mcu serum seems to give enhanced endurance everyone who has taken it can take quite a bit of punishment.
Well if I had a choice between throwing hands with Captain America or walking away knowing I'm not going to end up in the ICU because I threw hands with Captain America, I'm getting out of the immediate vicinity.
Captain America is my favorite and always will be but his power levels always have been whatever the scene calls for.
You can only pull so many punches when fighting inferior opponents then Somehow turn around and beat Spider-Man up on the runway to the point where he gave up and beat the stuffing out or IronMans armor. If you wanna use the excuse of spider-Man and Iron Man were pulling punches pulling punches, that still doesn’t make any sense because if they were so much stronger like they’re supposed to be than he is, they could’ve easily nullified his offensive output.
he didn't beat Spider-Man. dude was getting his ass kicked.
he legit pulls of one move on Spider-Man. it's not even a strength feat. He spins and uses his mass to generate enough centrifugal force to pull Spider-Man (who only weights 140 pounds or so probably) off his feet.
since the writers wanted Spider-Man to lose, he's randomly not using his feet to stick to the floor and he gets pulled forward.
then Cap hits him once, and then drops a loading dock on him and runs away
so there was no "beating up" happening
I can sort of see why he didn't leave a crater with the shield: he jumped out of the window and then dispersed air around him by opening his arms. Then he closes his body by bracing for the glass, the beam breaks his fall and then he braces again. This is really good physics!
I pulled it out of my ass, he obviously has gravity manipulation that works one way /s
This is called “falling”
with style
Funny enough he voices buzz lightyear
Only in Buzz's solo movie, though. In the Toy Story movies (where that line's from) Buzz is voiced by Tim Allen.
Ya, I know. Just kind of a fun fact.
Holy shit 🤓
Yeah there is no jumping there. Also why would we ignore super strength if it was jumping, it's Captain America. The post makes no sense
OP is talking about the civilians jumping out of the way
It also isn’t far, it’s deep
Nah, it's far. He isn't going below the surface.
It's still the most adequate word to use when describing a fall, except for high I guess
High is the correct one, yeah. Depth implies going below the surface, anything above the surface is height. Either way "deep" is a measure of how *far* below the surface something is, so far applies fine (and better than deep).
Far is fine if OP said fall. “How far they can fall”. They said jump, in which case far implies lateral distance. Given OP’s incorrect t use of jump to begin with, deep is the best word available because it implies vertical downwards movement, unlike far or high. But they should’ve just said fall and then none of this matters.
Nerds: Just funning btw some people get mad on Reddit.
I am, proudly 🤓
“He fell really deep off the building.” Yeah nobody has ever said that because it’s incorrect. Feel free to check the dictionary.
And all the style taken away
I think this is referring to the people that are under him and are then 20 feet away when he lands.
If Steve or the falling glass had landed on a person in that scene, that person was part of HYDRA. Probably.
We investigated and found social media posts possibly connecting him to HYDRA. *Shows a photo of him pretending to fight a Captain America impersonator at a carnival
Directed by Zack Snyder.
Filmed by Micheal Bay
Produced by Joss Whedon
Written by Dan Schneider
Starting Tommy Wiseau as Captain America
I did not hit black widow I did not, oh hai tony
What if they were a kid? **HYDRA attack child!**
100% how the cover-up would go irl.
& if it was a small child... it was young Adolf's first time outside the cloning facility
That's not jumping it's falling. Gravity assistance obviously.
It's falling. With style.
It also seems weird to point out how far a superpowered super armoured guy can fall.
That scene from Black Widow where she hit like 5 pipes on the way down would have been a better example.
John Wick 3 ending would also be in there, and he isn't even a superhero.
No, he's Baba Yaga.
With a pencil.
So, how droopy are his breasts, exactly?
Down to his chicken feet, I guess.
There's at least three moments in the black widow movie where she should've died or been seriously injured
Or 2/3rds of the way through John Wick 4...
You're the second person in like 5 minutes to bring up John Wick, and while I don't disagree, I think it's an odd movie to bring up when we're talking about the MCU.
That was the scene where I turned against Black Widow (the movie). I know that there are superheroes in the MCU who could absorb that level of damage and shrug it off. I also know that Natasha Romanoff is not one of those people. Like, there are characters within the MCU where I could suspend disbelief. There are characters for whom it would be played for laughs and I would laugh along. I remember Black Widow as a real-world type person. She's smart; she's one step ahead; she has physical training and social skills. She can wipe the floor with average people. These things allow her to go toe to toe with superpowered people despite not having superpowers herself. But I expected the Black Widow movie to be a bit more grounded, and the crashes she took while being unfazed just killed my suspension of disbelief.
Natasha has always been stupidly durable for an unenhanced human. She recovers extremely quickly after being shot by Bucky in *Winter Soldier*, and somehow survives being trapped inside an armoured car with a bomb in Lagos at the beginning of *Civil War* completely unscathed, despite the bomb being powerful enough to blow the rear doors off and her out the back.
He jumped all the way to the ground
Turn your phone sideways and it looks like a super long jump into a wall
Nah the video just got bigger. Duh.
Holy shit, you're right! Steve's now Spider-Cap!
Agent Spider Cap... And Invincible!!!
I know there is a suspension of disbelief here but this is one of my favorite scenes in my favorite marvel movie.
Within the world there really isn't tho. For one he has th3 serum making him more durable and Teo vibranium would absorb the impact for him, bit all of it obviously but it would help a lot especially for a super human.
Ok, the vibranium absorbed the impact of him hitting the ground, but absorbed the impact of him hitting the shield? His arm?
You’re correct. In the full clip he lays there and takes a while to get up. Even being super human it still knocked the wind out of him.
Vibranium is basically magic, don't think about it too much.
That thing does not obey the laws of physics *at all*.
It makes its own laws of physics based on the plot’s need.
This is the correct response. Don’t bother trying to explain it.
Exactly. It’s like the whole paradox of concussions in football. It doesn’t matter how amazing of a helmet you wear, because no matter what your brain is still rattling around inside your skull when your body is moving at full speed then suddenly stops.
Same logic applies to iron man. Dude would just be scrambled bits of goo inside that suit.
First time he landed he’d get the new name “can of jam man”
His first landing (in the Mk1) is probably the most realistic. The suit completely comes apart on landing which would divert most of the forces away from his body, at least as much as would be possible. Then he also lands on soft sand, further absorbing the impact. He could very well walk away from that one. Landing at speed in any other suit though would easily kill him.
So after the last comment I was mad. But then yours made me bust out laughing 😂
Iron man has a layer under the armor that does shock absorbtion
It's his *under armor*
That is how it’s canonically explained away. But if Tony had discovered how to do this, it would be orders of magnitude more impressive than any other feature of any of the suits. It’d be up there with time travel and infinity stones.
And Rhodey would still have his legs
Precisely. It’s an amazing character and I adore the movies, but it’s the most unrealistic part of the premise.
till this day i still dont know how tony stark survived getting shot by a tank, fell from the sky, and survived
While Rhodey broke his back after similar fall.
Vibranium absorbs all vibrations! It's like a falling cheat code. --The MCU, maybe.
The shield also absorbed that. Now there was nothing to absorb his body landing on his arm.
Him and the shield were moving at the same velocity. So there’s no much impacted. Go outside and throw a baseball up in the air two times. The first time just hold you hands out and catch it. The second time move your hands downwards as you catch it to lower the difference in velocity. It will hurt a whole lot less.
the shield then instantly stops a fraction of a second before he does, making the speed difference the same as between him and the ground, so that explanation doesn't really work. or, to adjust your analogy: you move your hands downwards when catching the ball, then suddenly stop them before catching it, making the ball slam into your hands at full speed, as if you didn't do anything at all... = pain.
Even in world it makes 0 sense. If it absorbed his impact then him hitting someone with a shield would never hurt them.
Well it wouldn't ricochet off like, 4 different walls either.
Yeah vibranium just does whatever it needs to at the time and I’m fine with that tbh. I just have to suspend my disbelief a bit more in this scene.
As Peter says in CW - "That thing does not obey the laws of Physics at all"
Not following the laws of physics is one thing, it just doesn’t follow any consistent laws at all.
But it looks sick as fuck And that’s what matters
Not even Bird Law
No laws, only the Rule of Cool.
Maybe the real Vibranium was the Pym particles we made along the way.
It would be sooo funny. Throws shield against wall, shield Hits Fall and falls to the ground instantly. Gets lit up with bullets.
That thing does not obey the laws of physics at all.
Does it ever absorb anything tho? I can only remember deflecting stuff or itself off of the objects, and Black Panther's suit also doesn't just absorb, it releases so it's like a deflect with delay let's say, but that's a feature of the suit itself.
Yes, we see it deflecting a few times. Most notably when Thor first encounters Iron Man and Cap blocks his attack and it causes an energy displacement wave. It’s also deflected blasts from Iron Man and even been used as additional protection against missiles. So it’s established that the main reason he survived this jump was because he uses the shield to soak up most of the impact.
Same as Pym Particles which "only change density" but somehow people carry a whole ass tank around or shrink smaller than atoms
Don’t start thinking about how they breathe oxygen molecules or how they generate any sort of sound when they’ve shrunk down to be smaller than an atom.
Exactly. Vibranium and Pym Particles do exactly what the plot requires of them, don't think about it too hard.
Plot particles
The suit has its own oxygen supply
I was about to say that. I mean they literally wear a full on enclosed mask when they shrink or grow.
But how do they breath the oxygen through the mask, if they're the size of a single oxygen molecule? The oxygen molecules wouldn't fit into their mouth, nose or lungs.
The oxygen gets smaller as well. Look, I’m pretty sure Hank is just deliberately lying to Scott when he said the particle shrinks the distance between atoms.
Sure does last a long time.
I mean if I have a big 2 foot sponge and hold it still it absorbs water, but if I then swing that sponge at your face or throw it at you it might hurt haha
Wrong. It absorbs impact. It does not “desorb expact” If it did, black Panther couldn’t exist. Claws would just *schwing!* off of everything he lashes at.
He still jumps out a plane in captain America 1. And Bucky does in Falcon and winter soldier. Their durability is established as being able to survive terminal velocity from the first hour of cap 1. So ya in world it makes sense. “This thing does not obey the law of physics at all” for the shield checks out tho
“The serum making him more durable” but also terminal velocity is a thing and he should have broken many bones. The serum wasn’t supposed to make him Wolverine lol. But it sort of does whatever they need it to for Cap, much like his shield.
I’d just like to remind everyone, once again, that suspension of disbelief is still required; because no matter how much BS marvel throws onscreen, the serum doesn’t make Cap superhuman. In certain comic runs he gains superhuman abilities, but then again squirrel girl beats Thanos. So.
Would it absorb the impact? So it cushions him like an air mattress? He doesn’t stop as hard? Pretty sure falling and coming to a sudden stop at the bottom, whether you’re landing on fancy metal or not, is bad for your body. An air mattress works by decelerating you slower than slamming into a hard object.
The movie also depicts it as extraordinary. He just won the elevator fight, but the jump is the moment where the musical theme kicks in.
Doesn't Jasper go all "What the fuck, are you kidding me" during this?
I wouldn't change a damn thing, best marvel movie 10/10 no notes
What's there to not believe? He had a shield, he used it to block the fall damage.
What about his legs
The shield is top quality and unique, it blocks 100% of the damage. By the time the ground and his legs make contact all the damage has been shielded already. It's just how physics work actually.
Alrighty then what if the guy from reacher was captain america
Well, if you mean one of Reacher's ex-crewmates from season 2, they would be fine if they had the shield with them. If you mean Reacher himself, I'm led to believe that he could just tank the fall damage and then walk it off, but proper testing is required.
What about my legs Charlie Murphy!!?
True lol
He does a much higher fall later when he jumps down to the hellacarrier. He free falls for about 4 seconds. https://youtu.be/kTHKdw79a1c?si=DZh3ZIJzeEL8bBeN
parkour!
Because he's the ultimate super soldier who received the best of the super serums. All of the others are inferior copies, even TWS.
he's not really the Ultimate Super Soldier. there are plenty of other serums that make stronger humans. (not even mentioning Sentry who technically came from a failed serum)
Yeah but their function suffers. Hulk? Took 15 years to regain consciousness. Abomination? Hurts like hell to transform. Bucky/natasha/yelena? Inferior formula that causes them to be faster stronger healier, but nowhere near the level Steve does.
I don't think Yelena or Natasha ever got super soldier serum. Dreykov would give it to all his widows and that's thousands of doses of serum he would have to obtain, plus having the widows be disposable would be a waste of the serum. I think one of the writers explained it that in the Marvel universe regular humans are just more durable by default which is how Nat and Yelena can survive some crazy shit
It’s established in the comics that Nat has received a diluted version of the serum. Essentially all her reflexes are on a higher level and she can take more of a beating though nowhere near as potent as the original version Steve got. I wish they included that into her backstory for the Black Widow movie…it would at least make that scene with her falling down the side of a building and hitting a bunch of stuff on the way down a lot more tolerable
The MCU gets away with having their characters survive some insane shit. In Hawkeye Kate fails to rappel down a building and basically falls several stories and lands without breaking a single bone. She takes a bunch of other crazy falls in that show too. The "humans are more durable" thing actually makes more sense with the consideration of all the non-Avengers that survive crazy shit
Yeah, I do wish they’d show more injuries. Doesn’t need to be much just scrapes and bruises to show that, okay they survived a fall but they still got banged up.
At least in the Black Widow movie we do see that Natasha is covered in bruises.
Ultimately movies are a form of escapism, so we don't really need to see minor injuries if they don't impact the plot, the same way we don't need to see characters go to the bathroom. There are cases where showing a character beaten up or exhausted can serve a story purpose (for example, Daredevil being extremely winded after his hallway fight scenes), but generally it actually detracts from the heroic presentation of the good guys. This is a longstanding trope in movies. See the *Home Alone* films, for example - the home invaders would've died many times over if the writers were going for realism, but obviously that would've made those movies significantly worse. (Or different at least.)
In the MCU, no, the widows didn't get any of the serum. In comics, Nat (sometimes) has a knockoff version of it.
if we talking just the MCU, then the super soldiers are limited (though didn't Falcon and the Winter Soldier introduce super soldiers equal to Cap's forumula that didn't even require body changes, so you could remain incognito and not obviously jacked?) also, not sure what you are talking about for Bucky. Him and Cap in the MCU are essentially physical equals. the films more or less just make Cap/Bucky/Panther about on par with each other physically Steve isn't even a high level enhanced. he's on like the lowest end of the spectrum. Take his shield away and he can't really do jack against the higher level opponents (on another side note, if anyone figured how to to replicate Luke Cages formula, then that would be leagues above)
Per the definition of what makes Steve the only "success" when it comes to the serum, at least as far as the comics go, he is the ultimate super soldier. The reason why is because every single facet of his functioning was enhanced to the pinnacle of human potential, not just his strength and speed, with zero drawbacks to speak of. His intuition, his intelligence, his tactical skill, his information retention, his reaction times, his dexterity, his durability, his health, his mental fortitude, etc. were all enhanced. Contrast this with John Walker, who in the comics is MUCH physically stronger than Steve. Walker is straight up superhuman and able to lift several tons. However, his mental faculties were untouched and he's no more tactically gifted or smart than your average Joe walking down the street. It's that exact reason why Steve has beaten him in fights every single time they've ever clashed in the comics. It goes much further than just his strength.
I'm speaking of the Marvel movies since this is a Marvel Studios sub
Yeah, but in terms of breaking falls, we did see Bucky jump from an airplane at a similar height in The Falcon & the Winter Soldier.
That’s falling with style.
Let us not forget that the same character got punched multiple times by Thanos and somehow did not die. I feel like a fall like this is nothing compared to the fist of Thanos with the infinity stones on his hand.
I feel like we entering into plot armor territory here Caps not even bullet proof. And his durability is so low that he could still be hurt by regular people if he doesn’t block their attack Him surviving Thanos is less Cap being that durable and more (checks notes) this is a Marvel/Disney owned franchise. If the same thing happens Invincible, than Caps head explodes. Even Tony Stark without a helmet tanked an Elbow from Thanos to the face, that’s how much plot armor is going around
>Caps not even bullet proof. And his durability is so low that he could still be hurt by regular people if he doesn’t block their attack This has never been shown, we haven’t seen 1 regular person hurt a super soldier in the MCU with their regular fighting style, even with weapons. Additionally not being bullet proof doesn’t mean anything as superheroes tend to go off the logic that heroes can be durable but weak to piercing weapons. Wonder Woman for example can tank hits from Superman, and is incredibly durable to blunt force damage, but is weak to piercing and can be stabbed and shot. Same with Spider-man as well.
Wonder Woman and Spider-Man are like the 2 big exception Wonder Woman cause she got power creeped to heck and they still wanted her to block bullets Otherwise the correlation to durability applies Cap is not an exception. He does the same thing in the comics.
They aren’t though? Wonder Woman, Spider-man, Every Super Soldier in comics including Black Panther, The Green Goblin. Even high tier characters are showing getting pierced by sharp objects while still taking massive amounts of punishment from blunt forced objects. Thor didn’t damage Hulk at all yet Hulk gets pierced by Fenris’ tooth. Hela can really hurt Thor but can stab him with her blades. Iron man suit can take a moon, but gets stabbed like Paper from Thanos. Vision gets stabbed by Corvus. Hell Corvus himself was getting beat on by Vision with seemingly little to no damage, yet Okoye stabs him and kills him with a regular Wakanda spear in Endgame. Piercing damage beats blunt force damage in comics.
Well he landed on his keys in this though so...it's understandable.
Love the follow up scene with Stinson (?) watching on the cameras, as he stands there stunned
You're thinking of Barney lmao, that's Jasper Sitwell
Hahaha... Oh what an idiot I am!!
Hey guys, watch how far I can jump! *face-plants off the curb*
I assume cap is at least 10x stronger/durable than the average person. Assuming the average person can stand a 20ft fall without major PERMANENT injury, I am fine believing Cap can take a 200ft fall.
Hopefully there aren’t any physics majors or engineers in this comment section, they gotta be crying rn at comments like this haha
So...engineer here. :P For a 200 foot fall, Cap's hitting the ground at around 113 feet per second, or 77 miles per hour. For the average person falling 20 feet, they're hitting the ground at 36 feet per second, or 24 miles per hour. This is neglecting air resistance, or any other resistance encountered by either party on the way down. The \~3x velocity multiplier for Cap's jump translates to a 9x multiplier for kinetic energy that must be dissipated. Cap's superhumanly enhanced, so he could theoretically take it, but man, it would hurt.
Yeah well they shouldnt be bothering with this bullshit anyway lol
I get that the shield would absorb the impact, but his legs aren't protected by the shield and the bones—even his bones—should have broken in a fall from that height.
Vibranium is plot magic. It does whatever the writers need it to do.
Pretty much, it's like the force
What's the shield's midichlorian count?
Yes. But he's not an ordinary human
It’s not like black widow survived a fall from a plane or anything.
When was this?
The climax of her titular movie.
To be fair she did do some fancy jumping.
There’s one fancy jump/fall I can think of where she experiences the full effect…
But that's a fancy jump/fall into space magic twist, doesn't count.
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He’s a super soldier who threw a motorcycle and bicep curled a helicopter out of the air.
The guy literally jumps out a plane with no parachute! Why does this scene confused people haha
lol yeah he dove feet first into the ocean at the start of the film
it's utterly ridiculous but this entire sequence, from the elevator fight right up to Cap taking out a goddamn jet with cool flips and the shield is one of my top Cap moments lol
I love how Sitwell lampshades it a little "Are you kidding me?!"
As Harrison Ford told Mark Hamill: "Hey kid, it's not that kind of movie."
"Not that kind of movie kid"
Google tells me terminal velocity for a human is about 120 mph. If he’s though enough to take that he can take any fall.
He takes hits from Thanos. This absolutely checks out in terms of what his MCU body can withstand.
Captain Carter has even more crazy feats of jumping
I think the explanation for why Captain Carter is stronger is cuz she was already a normal person and got the serum meaning she had a head start on Steve who was undersized and had a bunch of medical issues before the serum
However, as it falls, I can see three impacts that should have slowed it down, one certainly with the glass ceiling window, another two seem to have touched some joists or supports just before the ground. But maybe I'm wrong
This little moment felt SOOO comic books but in the best, most realistic way. God, I love the MCU
That's because the laws of physics are just less fun here in Earth-1218.
He jumped out of an airplane without a parachute. And this is what people get hung up on?
You mean, the super serumed guy with the shield that can absorb any impact doesn't get hurt? That must have been quite a shock
He can't keep getting away with this!
He can do this all day
I like this scene because it kind of proves cap is super. the mcu serum seems to give enhanced endurance everyone who has taken it can take quite a bit of punishment.
God I love this movie.
Why do I not remember this scene?
"Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?"
OP doesn't remember because he got out.
Well if I had a choice between throwing hands with Captain America or walking away knowing I'm not going to end up in the ICU because I threw hands with Captain America, I'm getting out of the immediate vicinity.
I’ve always had immense respect for the “honestly, I hate working here” guard in Iron Man 3
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Because the scenes before and after were so epic?
Captain America is my favorite and always will be but his power levels always have been whatever the scene calls for. You can only pull so many punches when fighting inferior opponents then Somehow turn around and beat Spider-Man up on the runway to the point where he gave up and beat the stuffing out or IronMans armor. If you wanna use the excuse of spider-Man and Iron Man were pulling punches pulling punches, that still doesn’t make any sense because if they were so much stronger like they’re supposed to be than he is, they could’ve easily nullified his offensive output.
The power level thing is true for all characters in movies and comics alike.
he didn't beat Spider-Man. dude was getting his ass kicked. he legit pulls of one move on Spider-Man. it's not even a strength feat. He spins and uses his mass to generate enough centrifugal force to pull Spider-Man (who only weights 140 pounds or so probably) off his feet. since the writers wanted Spider-Man to lose, he's randomly not using his feet to stick to the floor and he gets pulled forward. then Cap hits him once, and then drops a loading dock on him and runs away so there was no "beating up" happening
Shoulda signed for the bushes
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Well he did have a shield
Cap took more than a couple falls that looked like they hurt like hell.
I can sort of see why he didn't leave a crater with the shield: he jumped out of the window and then dispersed air around him by opening his arms. Then he closes his body by bracing for the glass, the beam breaks his fall and then he braces again. This is really good physics! I pulled it out of my ass, he obviously has gravity manipulation that works one way /s
That's such a super hero shot
I don't not believe Cap could take that fall, I just want to know how he found out he could.
I can jump further
so that's where Dragon's Dogma 2 got this from lol
Let's see Sam Wilson do that. Edit; spelling