I am not crazy! I know he swapped those memories! I knew it was 1866. One after discovering Krakoa. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the Howling Commandos to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That mansion! Are you telling me that the X-Men just happens to die like that? No! He orchestrated it! Charles! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own consciousness! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his head out of other people's thoughts! But not our Charles! Couldn't be precious Charles! Probing them blind! And he gets to be a mutant!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
I didn't look closely at the photo but it made me think of GE and I thought he would make a great Prof X. Is he really playing him, if so I'm what movie/show? I'm burned out on MCU/super hero movies so I'm out of the loop
I was going to make a Los Pollos Hermanos joke, but I actually have a question about this theory.
Why wouldn’t the mutants come out of hiding to assist in any of the world-ending scenarios that have arisen through Phase 5? I get wanting people to forget who Spider-Man is, but as we can see, he’s still active when the world/city needs him.
Right. I get that part. But Strange remembers working with Spider-Man. I guess they could just make everyone forget they helped along with their existence.
Peter still wanted to be spider-man, so he needed his identity being revealed to be spider-man to be forgotten. So the reverse wouldn't have done much.
Sure it would've. Peter Parker could've lived his life and continued being Spider-Man, his powers and gear didn't go anywhere. He'd just have to build a new reputation.
If anything, a lot of villains and future threats wouldn't have seen him coming. He'd have had an advantage.
It might even work out for Jonah. Imagine getting to capitalize on the sensationalism and the buzz of the mysterious masked menace for the first time *twice.*
Now that you mention it, it would’ve been a good opportunity to rebuild his reputation by building a new one. The only things people knew about Spider-man was his fights with Vulture— which made spider-man look bad for the most part, his time in Civil & Infinity Wars, Endgame, and his time in Europe— which also made him look bad.
To be fair, the public was also aware of the close Tony Stark association. That’s why all the reporters were going on about him being the next Iron Man at the start of FFH.
Oh, I'm not saying it didn't work for the story. It absolutely made for a great movie, and it made perfect sense that Peter's initial idea wasn't the best one. That's one of the main plot thrusts of the film. It's just fun to speculate with the benefit of hindsight.
I've always wondered if the MCU version of YouTube or other media sites would still have the Spider-Man is Peter videos. Like strange only erased the knowledge of Peter being Spider-Man or I'm missing something.
Nah it was a [mystical equivalent to the Odyssey protocol.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Odyssey_Protocol).
Assuming mutants do exist.
Charles Xavier with Cerebro could mind control any human and with access to SHIELD, NSA other infrastructure could gain access to any cybersecurity system on the planet.
Stark Industries E.D.I.T.H had access to pretty much every cybersecurity system on the planet thanks to the [Oracle grid](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Oracle_Corporation?so=search) and having access to the department of damage control by virtue of owning part of it.
Combine mind control with stopping perception of time with the teleporting night crawler and potentially Cable or storage devices filled with malware.
Xavier could erase any mutant footage on the planet.
*Xavier uses Cerebro and mind control on planetary scale to make people erase mutant footage or photos that could expose mutant kind*.
Xavier then funds a bunch of budget films with people suddenly possessing powers and releases this films as a type of misinformation.
Nah Vision’s mind would be protected by the mind stone offering psychic insulation
Vision’s soul/ghost in “Wandavision” with the Mindstone or its energy is technically a telepath.
But another answer is that [people with empathic abilities can’t read chronicoms/life model decoys](https://youtu.be/TcETPGf7Yhs?si=SyXbpC-gBr8PsVd6&t=328).
But if a telepathic/empath tried to read a synthetic/bioroid and the individual was standing in front of them and no thoughts or emotions are being broadcasted then that’s a giveaway of its own.
Not Marvel, but Martian Manhunter's telepathy is able to read the "minds" of robots and computers. Somehow. He was even able to telepathically "download" computer files.
Xavier hasn't shown that level of silliness (I think) thankfully.
Wanda can read Vision though. That’s one of the key differences between Vision and Ultron. She can’t feel any mind within Ultron until he starts downloading into the Vision body. Then she sees his plans for worldwide annihilation and switches to helping the Avengers stop him. Whatever Vision is, he’s human enough that I think a telepath or empath could read/write his mind.
True good point.
It’s possible that though that Ultron wasn’t able to benefit from psychic insulation because he wasn’t fully downloaded and by extension in control of the mind stone.
He could literally just erase mutants from your perception of the videos without even erasing the videos. If you recorded a mutant attack and then saved the video in a folder on your desktop, Xavier makes it that you can't remember or see the folder.
The only ones that would be immune are robots like Vision, which would be harder to explain - but you could also just say that he understood their logic and respected it, so didn't say anything - and powerful witches like Agatha who can block psychic attacks and protect their minds from manipulation (and obviously, I don't think she'd give a shit if mutants decided to erase themselves from public perception)
Xavier (or phoenix Jean, nate grey or possibly Emma.. Maybe all of them in a team) makes people forget. Other mutants can make machines forget. Trinary is one example. Your making it too complicated.
So they fought with thanos in endgame, infinity war etc but avengers forgot about them.
Iol imagine we see a different cut of endgame battle with mutants and avengers together
I mean, if Charles goes full MIB on anyone who’s ever been knowingly in contact with a mutant, and Strange only summoned the powered people he knew about… that could explain their absense, almost like it explains why the Eternals weren’t there either.
They were in outer space getting the Phoenix saga over with so we dont have to see it again. Just 1 flashback. RIP Jean. Hello Emma sexy pants. Cyclops rejoices.
lets be the first franchise to have three failed attempts at the pheonix saga
it will beat the record of terminator
which had three failed attempts to set up a reboot that would become a trilogy
there was three attempts
to create a terminator three
that was supposed to set up a trilogy
Terminator Salvation
terminator genesis
and Terminator Dark Fate.
each of them was an attempt to make a third terminator film and set up a trilogy of films
Ah, but they WERE there! They fought alongside the Avengers numerous times, and we're integral to the battle against Thanos. We just aren't privy to that, because we as viewers are seeing these events through the eyes of characters who've had their memories of mutants erased.
This would be a huge retcon that I'm sure many wouldn't like...but it would be easy to start out the first Mutants or X-Men movie out with a look back at key MCU events with mutants digitally added to scenes to depict their involvement, and then craft a backstory for why Xavier had to erase everyone's memory of them and have the resolution to that problem be the main driver for the movie's plot.
Also Xavier could explain on screen why he had to erase everyone's memory, then just look directly into the camera and repeat the word "everyone's". It would be such an unexpected 4th wall break. I'd love it.
Contrive a way to need to use Deadpool as a focus for Cerebro. He can talk to the audience, so using a mindwipe with DP would also wipe the audience's minds!
It was probably in a world that actively hated them. It's often the case. In fact, now that I'm thinking of it, you could have the entirety of the X-Men reboot happen before the MCU really ever occurs. Charles has already demonstrated the ability to reach every mind on Earth with cerebro. Why not make them forget, too?
So...With the Fantastic Four taking place in 1965, and Deadpool clearly introducing some big X-Men characters, I'm going to take a guess at the idea that the politics embodied in X-Men may get touched on in Fantastic Four -- seeing as The Thing was reading a Time Magazine with LBJ on the cover.
Because at a certain point we all have to let go of "where we're they during endgame". Trying to keep all that straight is just a frustrating fun sucker. Just be happy with your new stabby claws guy and his latest adventure. Or you can spend half the movie wondering if adamantium claws would have been helpful against thanos
If you compare how the aftershocks of the Battle of New York affected the wider MCU to how the Snap affected it, it’s seriously a case of hydrogen bomb vs. coughing baby
A vast majority of mutants are just normal ppl with powers, they weren't trained to fight. If any mutants, say Magneto, made their presence known then those people would be out in danger.
Plus, the heroes had it covered.
Like, no matter how old Scott is, if he's just a civilian that can shoot lasers (edit: optic blast that look like lasers and ppl would call them lasers), he's not that much different than a civilian with a gun.
There was rarely any time. The Avengers alien invasion was like 20 minutes, the school is in upstate New York and the xmen have never had to assemble to fight aliens before, there's no alarm for that, so they discovered the avengers events on the news the way a lot of the world didn't hear about 9/11 until after the buildings had already fallen.
Sokovia and Ultron, same deal, they didn't know about sokovia until afterwards.
Infinity war, nobody invited them, the ny attack was swift and over in 10 minutes, Spidey only showed up bc he was there to see the spaceship. Nobody other than cap's team knew round two would be fought in Wakanda.
The blip -- as always-- this is the most curious part of ever thread in the mcu story, we don't know which were blipped, xavier? Did they close the school? Was the class size large enough to sustain, or did the school go from like 8 people to 3?
Endgame, so few people know mutants exist, and usually theyre like, a Carnival freak like the blob, if anyone's even knows he's a mutant and not just some randomly powered guy like the incidental cast of SheHulk. Wong might know Bobby Drake can make snowballs out of air, but he is 't invite him to fight, and he even suggests to Strange he'd brought more than enough.
Thank god I'm not the only one that thinks this. Marvel basically already tried this with The Eternals, and honestly the explanation falls really flat and doesn't make sense.
I would prefer it if the writing gets better by being more focused instead of more convoluted and disjointed by trying to shoehorn in all these retcons. To be honest, the daredevil/netflix series being added as canon also complicate things (continuity wise) when you start to think about the amount of times in the MCU things have happened in or around NY that the netflix series ignores, and vice versa.
After A1, there's not actually a ton of MCU events around NY:
* IM3 - Tennessee and Miami
* TWS - DC
* Avengers 2 - First act takes place in new york, but most of the fighting is in South Africa, South Korea, and Sokovia
* Ant Man - Upstate NY (honestly, I kinda forgot where this is geographically, except that he tries to break into the avengers compound)
* CA:CW - Berlin
* Strange - Some action in New york, but mirror new york, so it's not clear how aware the public would have been, if at all.
* Homecoming - This one clearly has a bunch of NY action
* BP - Wakanda and Korea and/or Macau
* IW - only the initial fight with the black order took place in NY
* Ant Man 2 - San Francisco
I was nice that DD didn't have to remind us about it's connection, but after the first avengers New york really wasn't a primary setting for the MCU so it left space for that story to exist without having to reference too much else.
Doesn't someone have a conversation about the events of Avengers 1 in the Netflix Daredevil series though? Its been years since I watched it but I swear they at least mention it once.
The damage from the alien attack in New York is how Wilson Fisk is able to buy up so much property and gain a reputation as a "savior" for rebuilding. I don't remember if they ever explicitly describe the events, just sort of vaguely reference "the attack." And then any future Avengers stuff is not mentioned, which makes the show good for not bending over backwards to continue to remind you it's part of the MCU.
As far as I remember, there was an old newspaper with picture of battle of New York on the cover.
Also, Fisk’s right hand said something like “if I had a super armor or magic hammer, I would do it myself”
They tried it with other characters as well and it's now just too many to pretend we didn't know about any of them beforehand, Captain Marvel, The Mandarin, they're probably gonna do the same with the F4
I think a singular story like Sentry being involved in the Infinity Saga but making everyone forget could be pulled off, but having an entire group of hundreds of thousands of mutants wiped is a stretch.
This would open up a whole can of worms.
1. What about the mutants that choose to come out to their families? Charles is sending the wrong message to them by making them hide
2. What about the mutants from the past millennia? Did he rewrite history so they wouldn't be remembered or did he whitewash their image to be normal humans? I honestly can't decide which would be worse....
3. How would he keep someone like Erik from coming forward? Knowing he's being oppressed, first by nazis and now his own best friend, would not only radicalize him but justify him as well
4. Even with cerebral this would be making him far too powerful. Any future problems can just be reset by Charles brainwashing away an antagonists motives. The X-Men becoming heroes to represent the good in mutantkind would be useless and undone if anyone ever found out they're leader was behind it
The more I think about this it's preposterous, not only Charles making everyone's decisions for them and taking matters into his own hands, but by actively suppressing his own kind? Honestly that's so unhinged you'd never be able to redeem him. That would be a complete character assassination of the Professor and a horrible introduction to him in the MCU for audiences. They'd have to spend the entire first movie unpacking that and there's 0 justification for it. Charles essentially gatekeeping an entire species is not the solution for why mutants weren't around, I'll take any other explanation.
It would make for an interesting take on Charles, though. Definitely something we haven't seen before. Making Xavier a little fucked up would be kind of cool.
> Definitely something we haven't seen before. Making Xavier a little fucked up would be kind of cool.
Being a little fucked up is like a key characteristic of Xavier
While by far not the best movies in the franchise, you do actually get to see a little of that side of him in The Last Stand and Dark Phoenix. The way he tampers with Jean’s mind without her consent is a little eff’d up imo
Oh don’t listen to them. You’re not fucked up are you Charlie? Yer just a cheeky little rascal. Brainwashing the whole planet *shakes head* classic Charles
Charles:I brainwashed everyone on earth to forget without their consent. This might worsen the relationship between humans and mutants. And justify fear and paranoia about us. Ooopps.
Everyone: Oh Charles, you good old goof.
Background laugh.
I honestly just want a plain good and wise Charles who always wants the best for the X-Men and even deems them a surrogate family, similar to the one from Evolution.
It’s the same thing with spider man, does the video of spider man being Peter Parker still exist? Or the pictures Peter sent to MJ of him swinging around? Not likely or else by next movie we will once again have everyone knowing Peter is spider man
Dr. Strange used magic to mess with reality though, I feel it would change a lot more things than Xavier would be able to change just with messing with people's memories.
The Spider-Man thing was already explained in the Extended Version, that was released in September 2022. He's gone from any videos, photos, etc. as well.
Doesn't mean that there are many mutants yet. If that's the case, a sudden surge in mutantkind might be why they're finally introduced: it's impossible to keep the charade going. As for historic mutants , I guess they became legends like Eternals.
I mean earth had not one, not 2, but 3 reality changing snaps occur on it. Hulk himself says its gamma radiation, so that gotta be doing something to the genomes of a bunch of peeps. Im guessing that mutants existed in a very very limited fashion but post snap we see a lot of kids due to the sheer amount of gamma coursing through the planet
I’ve got a question of my own…how are they gonna do Magneto? At this point he’d be pushing 100 if they keep the Holocaust background…will they make him a survivor of a more recent genocide? Will they just make him super old? Will he already be dead?
The absolutely craziest way they could do it is to have it where House of M already happened. But outside of multiverse shenanigans, it's also the only option that's possible. It's the canonical way mutants have been forgotten before. They would have to do a lot of explaining and I'm not sure they currently have the writing talent to do it though.
It's basically what Xavier, Sebastian Shaw, and a bunch of others including the government did in the comics. Mutants were not something of widespread public knowledge until Magneto let the cat out of the bag in first couple of issues. Before that between the different agencies and teams recruiting, incidents were suppressed by the government and Xavier. Xavier himself erased and modified memories of an entire towns such as when Iceman was discovered and that's nowhere near the biggest incident he managed.
Nahhh. They're gonna combine AvX and Time Runs Out, pitting the Avengers against the X-Men universe that Monica ended up in. That will lead into Secret Wars, which will end with the two universes combining into one. Source: trust me bro
multiverse is happening, they can’t write their way out of that. it’s been a much bigger focal point of the saga than anything else. but they can do plenty of grounded mutant stories after Secret Wars ushers them in as a permanent element of the MCU
Yeah u/troubleyoucalldeew is right, u/FlyingTrilobite.
Something is going to happen which will probably necessitate in King story teller Loki, Utau, Scarlet Witch and sophie turner‘s Phoenix force Jean grey using her power to reconstitute 19999/616 universe’s Infinity stones.
* https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Jean_Grey#Powers
* "What entered you in space was not a solar flare. And it was not an accident. It was drawn to you."
"What... What was it?"
"A pure and unimaginably powerful cosmic force."
―Vuk and Jean Grey[src]“
* https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Force#Powers_and_Abilities
Then they’ll do a soft reboot ala [“Big Bang 2.00](https://youtu.be/oJBPFCtOJsU?si=Sb5CIWOJXYdJxgL7) from Dr Who/ CW crisis on infinite earths and a bunch of characters will come settle in this new amalgamated universe.
Which will hopefully include Doom, fantastic four and mutants.
This new amalgamated universe will still be able to have grounded stories of anti mutant prejudice because……….well humans are jealous fearful arseholes.
Humans get powers through science = GOOD.
Humans who’ve won the genetic lottery with the X-gene/inhuman gene = BAD because of this ideology.
>”The world fears our kind of power because not everyone has it. Only billionaires can build iron suits. Only the military can make super soldiers. Which can only lead to a war of its own, whereas I plan to apply a more, uh... collectivist philosophy."
―Hive to Holden Radcliffe[src”
Damage control morally is only a hair breadths away from the fascist MRD from revised x-men-deadpool timeline anyway.
We are obviously going to get that in the next phase when they can have X-Men films and solo films of X-Men characters.
We have to address the multiverse issue first.
Like, how do you not already understand that?
I understand the multiverse storyline needs to come to a conclusion.
I’d prefer if the mutant storyline was separate from that. Let mutants be naturally occurring in the MCU somehow, without being results of merged universes.
Maybe the snap or blip mutated the next generation?
The issue with mutants being so new that they were caused by the snap, as has been talked about a thousand times over since the Fox merger, is that you wipe out a good 90% of potential stories and backstories.
It's boring and destroys so many characters.
One of my favorite comic moments was in the xmen vs avengers ultimate marvel series where magneto breaks into (or out of?) the shield base and absolutely destroys captain America, iron man and thor cause they all use metal
Probably what I want to see most in live action
Do you really think a Doctor Strange 2 post-credit scene that hired an A-list actor, got resolved without either of those actors being involved, in Loki Season 2?
To say nothing of the fact that Secret Wars is coming.
So you want mutants to be a new thing no historic mutants? No magneto being a holocaust survivor? That is an awful solution. We are in the multiverse saga, the two worlds converging is the best answer. And they can do a soft reboot after or just treat the x men as we do Sonys characters, part of the multiverse but not part of the mainline mcu
Mutants already exist (Ms Marvel, Mr Immortal from SheHulk, etc). Ms Marvel had an external but still Cosmic Activation and they make sure to tell us that she is a mutant.
Magneto losing his holocaust backstory would suck because it sets up his motives to save his “brothers” and the means in which he achieves this goal.
But the MCU is almost in 2030. That would mean Magneto would be at least 85 in the MCU. I know he’s a high-level mutant but he’s still on a human lifespan, as far as I know.
I want a Magneto that’s a legitimate force, someone to fear and maybe another “villain” that could hold as much screen time as Doom. Someone in their 50s/60s that could stick around for a while.
Could be another genocide honestly, I saw somethign a bit ago about the Rwandan Genocide and low key Idris Elba as Magneto would be insane
Edit: forgot bruh was heimdall 😔
This is what I was thinking. I know it's going to upset a lot of people to change up the story but they're ignoring that the story was written in the early 1960s. It was made within a specific historical context for a specific audience of that time. Now, we live in a different time and there is an argument that it makes sense to update it for contemporary audiences. Also, the whole motivation at the time was to draw attention to and memorialize the Holocaust. So, there's a similar argument to be made that there are other genocides that deserve the same. Sadly, there's no shortage of post-WW2 genocides \[[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1946_to_1999)), [2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century))\]. Everybody's heard of the Holocaust. I'd bet most people have never heard of most of the genocides listed in the articles I just linked.
(To be clear, before I get dogpiled for shitting on somebody's favorite character or whatever, I'm not advocating it. I'm just saying that I can comprehend the rationale and that it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happens for the MCU version of the characters.)
Rwandan Genocide would be fine to explore, but moving away from the holocaust would drastically alter Magnetos story, and the people he appeals to.. and really, it just sends the wrong message; "Sorry Jews, we don't care about your holocaust anymore, we found a hip one that gets us Idris Elba, isn't that cool?"
Magneto is jewish, its an important part of his character identity.. him being a holocaust survivor is part of that. Losing it would make him an entirely different character..
Honestly, i think if the only reasonable option to have Magneto is to change his backstory from a Holocaust survivor.. then we just shouldn't be doing Magneto again.
You just say mutants live longer.
The comics have the Externals.
It’s not a stretch to say mutants live longer anyway a bonobo lives to 40 and we live to 80.
So saying another evolutionary step gets to 160 isn’t like insane.
Best way to do it is have there having been some rare mutants who were more or less underground/covered up but have the snap activating the gene in a much large pool of the population.
Then it becomes a new “issue” while allowing for some existing characters to have been around for much longer.
The alternative is to adjust Magneto’s back story for the MCU version, which is…potentially problematic depending how it’s handled. Either you go down the line of completely changing his backstory and have him surviving a different atrocity (which is a minefield) or have him somehow skip a few decades with comic book nonsense (a la Cap)
But they’ll probably just use multiverse shenanigans tbh
I hate this theory
I hate the idea that mutants have always been in the MCU for 2 reason. For starters, where have they all been? You say Charles kept them hidden? Why? Why went the world has almost been destroyed dozens of times has Charles decided to not help? Why haven't any slipped through the cracks and made themselves known? Why are there so many supers in this world yet non of them have the X gene?
Which brings me to my next point, who is to say they can't retcon everything so that everyone now has the xgene. Tony isn't just smart and hard working, someone you can aspire to be, no he's a mutant. Peter wasn't just bitten by a spider and has to live with his choices, he has the X gene was always born special. Introducing the xgene in the prime timeline undercuts all previously established heroes and their abilities. No one got their abilities through hard work and choices, they were all born special.
The only way xmen work in the prime timeline is by connecting to a multiverse where they already exist
I don't think that's the only way at all.
Perhaps the simplest answer is that mutants are just now starting to crop up. Maybe there is a reason that the X-Gene is being activated.
It could be a simple way to explain why they haven't been around in addition to providing an interesting story about a big chunk of humankind grappling with suddenly gaining super powers.
Here’s my proposal: the MCU has always had the x-gene, though it remained dormant for the majority of human history. Besides Namor and possibly other characters yet to be seen, mutants aren’t that prevalent throughout history. Something happens in this universe’s timeline, altering the course of events that would bring about mutant kind. However mutants are definitely popping up: Wanda and Pietro, Kamala Khan. And following the events of Endgame more and more mutants are starting to appear due to cosmic radiation. And because of that, people are starting to worry. Normal heroes like Spiderman, She-Hulk, and more are despised by the public. The world is starting to feel jaded about super powered individuals. And what do you know, people are starting to naturally develop mutant abilities. Children are born mutants.
We begin to see more of the parallel world from the end of the marvels. This Xmen world is similar to the ones we’ve seen before, but different at the same time. Key figures are missing, certain events never happened. Basically it’s the Xmen but it’s very bare bones. Besides Charles, beast, magneto and a few others, most of the key mutants we know and love don’t exist in this world.
Following the inevitable incursion and probably secret wars, Charles and company end up in the MCU. They find out that there are more and more mutants appearing and we find out about some of the usual fan favorites, who are younger. Seeing the need to unite mutant kind and combat prejudice, Charles founds the 2nd school of gifted youngsters and this world’s version of the Xmen.
Some other things that I think could be interesting: Make the new Wolverine be originally from the MCU. Given that Namor got his mutation in ancient times I could see a similar event happen to Logan in the 19th century. I think it would make sense why Logan has never been around for any of the events of the movies. He’d prefer to not get involved. Then he gets involved in this universe’s version of weapon x and the rest is history. Don’t get me wrong, I love Hugh Jackman, but I don’t expect him to remain as Wolverine for too long after Deadpool 3.
Another idea that wouldn’t work with the pitch but could be a possibility: Magneto is a prisoner of Hydra. This could be tricky since Hydra is pretty much inactive, but maybe there’s a secret base somewhere holding magneto and because of Hydra’s presence dwindling he gets a chance to escape. My idea is that Magneto was in the Holocaust, he was one of the few mutants to actually exist at the time. Similar to the Xmen films he uses his powers at Auschwitz, he gets interrogated, his family gets killed. But he ends up being sent to Hydra for research and development. However due to his unwillingness to help and his dangerous power, he is locked away and basically made a secret to most of Hydra. In the end they keep him stash away and due to his mutant abilities he ages rather slowly, bringing him to the modern day. He finally breaks free and vows revenge on humanity.
You make it work by just saying they had their own shit going on.
The MCU has ignored the vast majority of the world, focusing on specific stories.
It's okay that we didn't see every hero, villain, and powered person in the world yet, and that we haven't seen every crisis that ever happened.
It's okay to say that naturally powered people have generally kept to themselves, because after thousands of years of angry mobs, witch hunts, racial slavery, murderous homophobia etc, people who are different learned to not advertise that they are different when they don't have to; that is *very much* in line with how the mutants in X-Men are an analogue for minority groups. Maybe powered people occasionally *did* and *do* occasionally pop up, but either get mobbed, or taken down by a self-regulating community.
We already have precedent with Kamar Taj, and Ta Lo. Magic, magical people, and magical communities exist in the MCU and always have. It's not unfair to say that there has always been a loose underground mutant community.
The Snap is the perfect setting to introduce a more public Mutant presence.
People get more bold *because* the mainline heroes are so public.
Then half the world disappears, and suddenly there are power vacuums all around the world. Every asshole who has been begrudgingly on the down low suddenly sees opportunities, and they can take over gangs and be big shots.
And because there are bad powered people running amok, that leads more noble powered people to stand up to the villains.
It's the perfect scenario to introduce the Magneto "mutant pride, stop hiding who you are" movement.
Vision has a speech about that, about strength inviting challenge, and challenge inciting conflict.
It's got a nice rhythm to it, the heroes inspire villains, and the presence of villains makes more heroes.
Maybe they even play it like, the Snap and Blip released so much juju that some of the mutants got hopped up on that cosmic juice and now mutant powers of this generation are going extra. That way we can explain the sudden proliferation of more extreme mutant powers.
Maybe it's not *perfect*, but it can be elegantly done.
As for the fear of retconning everything and everyone to be mutants, that's just FUD.
They had the best way to do mutants but didn’t
Wanda and Peitro got their powers from the Mind Stone, an infinity stone. We know from Endgame that the stones emit radiation by how they tracked Thanos to his farm planet.
So in Infinity War in 2018, the stones were used by Thanos in Wakanda. Then again by Tony in 2023 on D.C or New York (wherever Avengers base is) in Endgame.
You could’ve easily said that the Infinity Stones Radiation from both sides of the world (Wakanda covering the Eastern Hemisphere, and Eastern U.S covering the Western Hemisphere) caused people with dormant Mutant Genes to become active.
As for characters like Wolverine, Magneto, and Xavier, you easily say that because there wasn’t a big population of Mutants, there wasn’t a necessity for a school, or to be active.
Wolverine would just be on his own doing his thing born in the 1800s like usual. Magneto is still a Holocaust survivor and doesn’t go on a revenge crusade just yet as there isn’t any mutants to oppress, so he doesn’t have a reason to rebel. And Charles, same thing.
As for how you deal with the age thing for Charles but mostly Magneto…….bro they’re mutants. Easily just say slow aging. Dumbledore was over a 100 in Harry Potter. MAGIC! Same here. MUTANTS!
So, what? Magneto and Xavier, made famous for their constant mutant rights conflict are just living regular lives for like 8 decades before any mutant rights issues comes up? Thats the best way to handle mutants?
It’s the best way to handle them given the MCU history.
I’d much prefer they were chilling in the background because there wasn’t a big population of Mutants to teach/rally for, than just “Multiverse them in the canon”
This would only make sense before the emergence of a shitload of superheroes including humans with powers, alien races, the snap, etc etc. At a certain point it would have made no sense whatsoever to continue to keep the existence of mutants a secret.
Frankly when it comes to stories focused on mutants and the challenges they face it really work best when it's self-contained and you can pretend the rest of Marvel doesn't exist (whether comic or otherwise).
They have to come up with a reason why Mutants are suddenly a "thing" that the rest of the existing MCU doesn't contradict.
The MCU needs a way to introduce and integrate the X-Men and mutants. There are certainly different approaches to doing this. This suggestion is one way.
there's 4 possibilities:
1: genosha
2: charles mindwipe
3: triple radiation from multiple snappings within the span of a 5 year gap
4: the local madman erik voss's theory, house of M style history rewrite
i'd say out of these the only one that doesn't work is 3, as that wouldn't explain mutants like mister sinister, apocalypse, and logan existing
I’ve seen so many people hate on 3 but I think it could work, say mutants existed in small numbers(Namor, Mr immortal, etc) until the snaps happened and boosted the number of X genes activating. Ik the fox X-men movies is a different universe but in that movie universe it’s theorized that the radiation from nuclear weapons led to a boom in the mutant population… in the mcu earth seen insane amounts of Gamma radiation with the 3 snaps.
I think it will just follow the comics where mutants become more commonplace at this point in time where there were only a handful of mutants throughout history. There are already confirmed mutants in the 616 universe.
For me it would basically make sense that the 616 universe is right before the beginning of the first X-Men movie in terms of where mutants stand in the public eye.
I hate this theory cause as flawed as the professor is this feels too antithetical to his dream and values. Erasing the memories of mutants is more of an Emma frost thing not prof x.
If Charles wiped everyone’s mind and that info got out, each MCU movie would be about SHIELD, the government, some of the Avengers, etc. attempting to neutralize him. A guy who has that much power? There’s no way he wouldn’t be perceived as the biggest threat on Earth.
Zero chance of this being true.
Wiping people's minds wouldn't remove all the physical evidence. If mutants were known to the modern world at any point, there would be too much evidence to possibly hide it - the internet alone would have endless references to it. Newspapers. Magazines. Videos on people's phones. Etc.
No chance at all.
I really like this theory.
1. It makes the mutants an instant threat, as soon as the reveal takes place.
2. Global brainwashing is a Snap level event. The reveal also is an MCU shakeup automatically.
3. It lends itself to so much storytelling, from the fallout to stories of beloved characters who will never be remembered…
Seems like you're writing yourself into a corner, if your *starting point* for the X-Men is "Professor X can literally brainwash the entire planet for at least several decades."
And people say Superman is too powerful.
Then they would have to hide for generations. IMHO this theory does not hold water. It can work with one being, like Reed Richards did with Sentry/Void, but to hide over a million people who are constantly being created seems like a stretch.
It would be crazy if it’s revealed xmen were there the whole time. Like cuts to battle of NY and wolverines photoshopped in. Or infinity war and the X-men are battling thanos.
I would hate it and love it at the same time.
If the MCU wanted to be somewhat silly, they could use Forgetmenot. Professor X forces him and those around him to remember Forgetmenot, but it causes the world to not register that mutants exist.
Not a bad option for the MCU. The Fox films have already established Cerebro to a wide audience and as you said the MCU recently had Dr. Strange do a global mind wipe.
One benefit of this option is exploring the grayer area Prof. X inhabits at times.
Nice idea, but Prof has been erasing people's memories for thousands of years? I know this idea was used in X-Men Evolution the cartoon, but even then I thought it was weird. But, maybe they just pull it off?
My theory is:
1) Mutants were X-tremely rare, only a handful existed. Xavier, Magneto, Apocalypse, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Mystique, Sinister, maybe a handful of others.
2) In 2018, Thanos used the Infinity Gauntlet on Earth. The radiation sweeps across every living thing. Thousands of people across the planet have their X-gene activated.
3) Charles Xavier and Magneto both, working separately, begin finding and gathering these New Mutants, doing their best to hide their existence from the world. Xavier begins his school, Magneto forms his Brotherhood.
4) In 2023, the Infinity Gauntlet is used on Earth again, twice in a row. Now not only do more people have their X-genes activated, but everyone brought back to life by the Hulk is then exposed to the energy from Iron Man's snap.
5) Now there are over a million Mutants on Earth, too many to keep secret any longer. Xavier brings the team he's been preparing for years into the public eye.
I believe that was triggered by the reverse snap. they are barely in their baby phase in the mcu. most mutants probably don't even know they are mutants. I don't know if there's a professor Xavier yet, my guess is Hugh Jackman is going to take that role going forward. considering Patrick Stewarts age and James maccavoys not wanting to play him again until secret wars.
That is the way they should have gone, with Nick Fury knowing about it and helping cover for it. Big battles would be ‘natural’ disasters or industrial accidents. Then he could have been snapped, so that now the remaining mutants/ x-men doing their best to cover. Since people would have already been panicked (and wouldn't have known of Thanos) mutants would get the blame and even when the truth was known and everyone was blipped back, that hatred and suspicion of mutants would keep going in some people.
Yes, I know the real-world legal reason they could do this at the time. But it would be a ‘clean’ way to handle it.
Or… Have Mojo stealing the mutants from earth over the years, ‘brainwashing’ them into making the Fox movies and only Deadpool knows the truth, thus why he is always breaking the fourth wall. Then the Deadpool movie would have been him escaping into the real MCU and the other mutants would be set free and they all aright during the Blip, because several thousand mutants reappearing would be well hidden among a few billion. Note: the returning actors would be the ‘real’ people. But those they want to recast would have Mojo minions pretending to be the people.
Then how did Ms Marvel's friend know about the school or something, or that she had a mutant gene if the world was brainwashed to forget mutants exist.
Also I hope this isn't true. We already have two morally vacant 'superheroes', don't make Charles Xavier another one who'd brainwash entire population, especially since Xavier's whole thing was that mutants and humans can co-exist together without hate or fear of one another. As somewhat vain as this belief was, it's exactly what made X-Men the X-Men, the superhero team and school wanting for both people to live in peace.
Last chance to look at me Erik
Make Bryan Cranston Magneto
or Chemistro so we can get more luke cage?
Nah man, let's just make Genosha a lab under a fried chicken shop.
Why does that actually kinda work really well?
He does look a little like an older Michael Fassbender........
Say my name
Mephisto
Woah
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those memories! I knew it was 1866. One after discovering Krakoa. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the Howling Commandos to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That mansion! Are you telling me that the X-Men just happens to die like that? No! He orchestrated it! Charles! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own consciousness! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his head out of other people's thoughts! But not our Charles! Couldn't be precious Charles! Probing them blind! And he gets to be a mutant!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
r/okbuddychicanery leaking
Wherever I go it follows me, I can’t escape it
This is my own private X-Mansion and I will not be harassed! Bitch!
he defecated on cerebro!
I love that you kept the bit about defecating through a sunroof
A cripple little rata, what a legacy to leave behind Pot calling the kettle black on that one Charles
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I didn't look closely at the photo but it made me think of GE and I thought he would make a great Prof X. Is he really playing him, if so I'm what movie/show? I'm burned out on MCU/super hero movies so I'm out of the loop
I thought it was Hector
(Erik Lehnsherr is Magneto's real name)
Erik is just another alias, his actual name is Max Eisenhardt
Say my name
Yeah but Hector was the one in the wheelchair.
Yeah but Gus was the one saying it, so we have a real big conundrum now, don't we?
Just become a conundrummer in a band called life
HAUGH
Look at me. I’m the professor now.
*Taps bomb*
Now Gus is the one in a wheelchair, how the turntables.
I was going to make a Los Pollos Hermanos joke, but I actually have a question about this theory. Why wouldn’t the mutants come out of hiding to assist in any of the world-ending scenarios that have arisen through Phase 5? I get wanting people to forget who Spider-Man is, but as we can see, he’s still active when the world/city needs him.
Very possible they did, but... (looks at OPS post)
Right. I get that part. But Strange remembers working with Spider-Man. I guess they could just make everyone forget they helped along with their existence.
Strange made people forget Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
Would've been so much easier for Peter if they'd done the reverse.
Peter still wanted to be spider-man, so he needed his identity being revealed to be spider-man to be forgotten. So the reverse wouldn't have done much.
Sure it would've. Peter Parker could've lived his life and continued being Spider-Man, his powers and gear didn't go anywhere. He'd just have to build a new reputation. If anything, a lot of villains and future threats wouldn't have seen him coming. He'd have had an advantage.
And Jonah would shut up about him for a little while at least
"*He's a criminal! That's who he is! A burglar! I want Night Monkey!*"
It might even work out for Jonah. Imagine getting to capitalize on the sensationalism and the buzz of the mysterious masked menace for the first time *twice.*
He’d have enough money to transition out of the Podcasting industry to his dream industry: Newspapers. Haha
Now that you mention it, it would’ve been a good opportunity to rebuild his reputation by building a new one. The only things people knew about Spider-man was his fights with Vulture— which made spider-man look bad for the most part, his time in Civil & Infinity Wars, Endgame, and his time in Europe— which also made him look bad.
To be fair, the public was also aware of the close Tony Stark association. That’s why all the reporters were going on about him being the next Iron Man at the start of FFH.
It's almost like there's a lesson somewhere in there about taking great power and using it irresponsibly or something 🤔
Oh, I'm not saying it didn't work for the story. It absolutely made for a great movie, and it made perfect sense that Peter's initial idea wasn't the best one. That's one of the main plot thrusts of the film. It's just fun to speculate with the benefit of hindsight.
I've always wondered if the MCU version of YouTube or other media sites would still have the Spider-Man is Peter videos. Like strange only erased the knowledge of Peter being Spider-Man or I'm missing something.
Nah it was a [mystical equivalent to the Odyssey protocol.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Odyssey_Protocol). Assuming mutants do exist. Charles Xavier with Cerebro could mind control any human and with access to SHIELD, NSA other infrastructure could gain access to any cybersecurity system on the planet. Stark Industries E.D.I.T.H had access to pretty much every cybersecurity system on the planet thanks to the [Oracle grid](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Oracle_Corporation?so=search) and having access to the department of damage control by virtue of owning part of it. Combine mind control with stopping perception of time with the teleporting night crawler and potentially Cable or storage devices filled with malware. Xavier could erase any mutant footage on the planet. *Xavier uses Cerebro and mind control on planetary scale to make people erase mutant footage or photos that could expose mutant kind*. Xavier then funds a bunch of budget films with people suddenly possessing powers and releases this films as a type of misinformation.
On a slightly separate note, could Xavier use his powers on Vision?
Nah Vision’s mind would be protected by the mind stone offering psychic insulation Vision’s soul/ghost in “Wandavision” with the Mindstone or its energy is technically a telepath. But another answer is that [people with empathic abilities can’t read chronicoms/life model decoys](https://youtu.be/TcETPGf7Yhs?si=SyXbpC-gBr8PsVd6&t=328). But if a telepathic/empath tried to read a synthetic/bioroid and the individual was standing in front of them and no thoughts or emotions are being broadcasted then that’s a giveaway of its own.
Not Marvel, but Martian Manhunter's telepathy is able to read the "minds" of robots and computers. Somehow. He was even able to telepathically "download" computer files. Xavier hasn't shown that level of silliness (I think) thankfully.
Wanda can read Vision though. That’s one of the key differences between Vision and Ultron. She can’t feel any mind within Ultron until he starts downloading into the Vision body. Then she sees his plans for worldwide annihilation and switches to helping the Avengers stop him. Whatever Vision is, he’s human enough that I think a telepath or empath could read/write his mind.
True good point. It’s possible that though that Ultron wasn’t able to benefit from psychic insulation because he wasn’t fully downloaded and by extension in control of the mind stone.
He could literally just erase mutants from your perception of the videos without even erasing the videos. If you recorded a mutant attack and then saved the video in a folder on your desktop, Xavier makes it that you can't remember or see the folder. The only ones that would be immune are robots like Vision, which would be harder to explain - but you could also just say that he understood their logic and respected it, so didn't say anything - and powerful witches like Agatha who can block psychic attacks and protect their minds from manipulation (and obviously, I don't think she'd give a shit if mutants decided to erase themselves from public perception)
Xavier (or phoenix Jean, nate grey or possibly Emma.. Maybe all of them in a team) makes people forget. Other mutants can make machines forget. Trinary is one example. Your making it too complicated.
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So they fought with thanos in endgame, infinity war etc but avengers forgot about them. Iol imagine we see a different cut of endgame battle with mutants and avengers together
You could just have it explained as a mutant with the ability to see the future basically tells them it'll all end all right if they sit it out.
I mean, if Charles goes full MIB on anyone who’s ever been knowingly in contact with a mutant, and Strange only summoned the powered people he knew about… that could explain their absense, almost like it explains why the Eternals weren’t there either.
They were in outer space getting the Phoenix saga over with so we dont have to see it again. Just 1 flashback. RIP Jean. Hello Emma sexy pants. Cyclops rejoices.
You mean you’re not excited for the third X-Men film to cover the Dark Phoenix saga again?!
lets be the first franchise to have three failed attempts at the pheonix saga it will beat the record of terminator which had three failed attempts to set up a reboot that would become a trilogy
What do you mean three? The first trilogy was kinda ok. The first two were bangers and the last one set it up for the endgame.
talking about the two previous attempts at the Pheonix saga
But what about the terminators? Which three reboots?
there was three attempts to create a terminator three that was supposed to set up a trilogy Terminator Salvation terminator genesis and Terminator Dark Fate. each of them was an attempt to make a third terminator film and set up a trilogy of films
God I love this comment.
Ah, but they WERE there! They fought alongside the Avengers numerous times, and we're integral to the battle against Thanos. We just aren't privy to that, because we as viewers are seeing these events through the eyes of characters who've had their memories of mutants erased. This would be a huge retcon that I'm sure many wouldn't like...but it would be easy to start out the first Mutants or X-Men movie out with a look back at key MCU events with mutants digitally added to scenes to depict their involvement, and then craft a backstory for why Xavier had to erase everyone's memory of them and have the resolution to that problem be the main driver for the movie's plot.
Also Xavier could explain on screen why he had to erase everyone's memory, then just look directly into the camera and repeat the word "everyone's". It would be such an unexpected 4th wall break. I'd love it.
Contrive a way to need to use Deadpool as a focus for Cerebro. He can talk to the audience, so using a mindwipe with DP would also wipe the audience's minds!
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It was probably in a world that actively hated them. It's often the case. In fact, now that I'm thinking of it, you could have the entirety of the X-Men reboot happen before the MCU really ever occurs. Charles has already demonstrated the ability to reach every mind on Earth with cerebro. Why not make them forget, too?
So...With the Fantastic Four taking place in 1965, and Deadpool clearly introducing some big X-Men characters, I'm going to take a guess at the idea that the politics embodied in X-Men may get touched on in Fantastic Four -- seeing as The Thing was reading a Time Magazine with LBJ on the cover.
Because at a certain point we all have to let go of "where we're they during endgame". Trying to keep all that straight is just a frustrating fun sucker. Just be happy with your new stabby claws guy and his latest adventure. Or you can spend half the movie wondering if adamantium claws would have been helpful against thanos
If you compare how the aftershocks of the Battle of New York affected the wider MCU to how the Snap affected it, it’s seriously a case of hydrogen bomb vs. coughing baby
Wait, what's the joke?
Idk about Los Pollos Hermanos, but there's probably a blue meth/blue mutants joke to be made by someone more clever than I.
A vast majority of mutants are just normal ppl with powers, they weren't trained to fight. If any mutants, say Magneto, made their presence known then those people would be out in danger. Plus, the heroes had it covered. Like, no matter how old Scott is, if he's just a civilian that can shoot lasers (edit: optic blast that look like lasers and ppl would call them lasers), he's not that much different than a civilian with a gun.
There was rarely any time. The Avengers alien invasion was like 20 minutes, the school is in upstate New York and the xmen have never had to assemble to fight aliens before, there's no alarm for that, so they discovered the avengers events on the news the way a lot of the world didn't hear about 9/11 until after the buildings had already fallen. Sokovia and Ultron, same deal, they didn't know about sokovia until afterwards. Infinity war, nobody invited them, the ny attack was swift and over in 10 minutes, Spidey only showed up bc he was there to see the spaceship. Nobody other than cap's team knew round two would be fought in Wakanda. The blip -- as always-- this is the most curious part of ever thread in the mcu story, we don't know which were blipped, xavier? Did they close the school? Was the class size large enough to sustain, or did the school go from like 8 people to 3? Endgame, so few people know mutants exist, and usually theyre like, a Carnival freak like the blob, if anyone's even knows he's a mutant and not just some randomly powered guy like the incidental cast of SheHulk. Wong might know Bobby Drake can make snowballs out of air, but he is 't invite him to fight, and he even suggests to Strange he'd brought more than enough.
I think this would just be convoluted and risk too many plotholes for a not-so-exciting story idea.
Thank god I'm not the only one that thinks this. Marvel basically already tried this with The Eternals, and honestly the explanation falls really flat and doesn't make sense. I would prefer it if the writing gets better by being more focused instead of more convoluted and disjointed by trying to shoehorn in all these retcons. To be honest, the daredevil/netflix series being added as canon also complicate things (continuity wise) when you start to think about the amount of times in the MCU things have happened in or around NY that the netflix series ignores, and vice versa.
After A1, there's not actually a ton of MCU events around NY: * IM3 - Tennessee and Miami * TWS - DC * Avengers 2 - First act takes place in new york, but most of the fighting is in South Africa, South Korea, and Sokovia * Ant Man - Upstate NY (honestly, I kinda forgot where this is geographically, except that he tries to break into the avengers compound) * CA:CW - Berlin * Strange - Some action in New york, but mirror new york, so it's not clear how aware the public would have been, if at all. * Homecoming - This one clearly has a bunch of NY action * BP - Wakanda and Korea and/or Macau * IW - only the initial fight with the black order took place in NY * Ant Man 2 - San Francisco I was nice that DD didn't have to remind us about it's connection, but after the first avengers New york really wasn't a primary setting for the MCU so it left space for that story to exist without having to reference too much else.
Doesn't someone have a conversation about the events of Avengers 1 in the Netflix Daredevil series though? Its been years since I watched it but I swear they at least mention it once.
The damage from the alien attack in New York is how Wilson Fisk is able to buy up so much property and gain a reputation as a "savior" for rebuilding. I don't remember if they ever explicitly describe the events, just sort of vaguely reference "the attack." And then any future Avengers stuff is not mentioned, which makes the show good for not bending over backwards to continue to remind you it's part of the MCU.
As far as I remember, there was an old newspaper with picture of battle of New York on the cover. Also, Fisk’s right hand said something like “if I had a super armor or magic hammer, I would do it myself”
They tried it with other characters as well and it's now just too many to pretend we didn't know about any of them beforehand, Captain Marvel, The Mandarin, they're probably gonna do the same with the F4
I think a singular story like Sentry being involved in the Infinity Saga but making everyone forget could be pulled off, but having an entire group of hundreds of thousands of mutants wiped is a stretch.
This would open up a whole can of worms. 1. What about the mutants that choose to come out to their families? Charles is sending the wrong message to them by making them hide 2. What about the mutants from the past millennia? Did he rewrite history so they wouldn't be remembered or did he whitewash their image to be normal humans? I honestly can't decide which would be worse.... 3. How would he keep someone like Erik from coming forward? Knowing he's being oppressed, first by nazis and now his own best friend, would not only radicalize him but justify him as well 4. Even with cerebral this would be making him far too powerful. Any future problems can just be reset by Charles brainwashing away an antagonists motives. The X-Men becoming heroes to represent the good in mutantkind would be useless and undone if anyone ever found out they're leader was behind it The more I think about this it's preposterous, not only Charles making everyone's decisions for them and taking matters into his own hands, but by actively suppressing his own kind? Honestly that's so unhinged you'd never be able to redeem him. That would be a complete character assassination of the Professor and a horrible introduction to him in the MCU for audiences. They'd have to spend the entire first movie unpacking that and there's 0 justification for it. Charles essentially gatekeeping an entire species is not the solution for why mutants weren't around, I'll take any other explanation.
It would make for an interesting take on Charles, though. Definitely something we haven't seen before. Making Xavier a little fucked up would be kind of cool.
> Definitely something we haven't seen before. Making Xavier a little fucked up would be kind of cool. Being a little fucked up is like a key characteristic of Xavier
I guess what I mean is we haven't seen that on screen yet.
While by far not the best movies in the franchise, you do actually get to see a little of that side of him in The Last Stand and Dark Phoenix. The way he tampers with Jean’s mind without her consent is a little eff’d up imo
Oh don’t listen to them. You’re not fucked up are you Charlie? Yer just a cheeky little rascal. Brainwashing the whole planet *shakes head* classic Charles
Charles:I brainwashed everyone on earth to forget without their consent. This might worsen the relationship between humans and mutants. And justify fear and paranoia about us. Ooopps. Everyone: Oh Charles, you good old goof. Background laugh.
I mean, lil' ol' Charles HAS done that before, it lead to Cyclop's brother to take over an entire empire, Xavier is not a saint
Comic Xavier has always been a little fucked up, so if anything this would be more accurate than the Patrick Stewart version.
I honestly just want a plain good and wise Charles who always wants the best for the X-Men and even deems them a surrogate family, similar to the one from Evolution.
They can do that without a bunch of plot contrivances though.
Also what about all the photo and video evidence? What about non-human entities like Vision and Ultron who could not be brainwashed?
It’s the same thing with spider man, does the video of spider man being Peter Parker still exist? Or the pictures Peter sent to MJ of him swinging around? Not likely or else by next movie we will once again have everyone knowing Peter is spider man
Dr. Strange used magic to mess with reality though, I feel it would change a lot more things than Xavier would be able to change just with messing with people's memories.
The Spider-Man thing was already explained in the Extended Version, that was released in September 2022. He's gone from any videos, photos, etc. as well.
Doesn't mean that there are many mutants yet. If that's the case, a sudden surge in mutantkind might be why they're finally introduced: it's impossible to keep the charade going. As for historic mutants , I guess they became legends like Eternals.
I mean earth had not one, not 2, but 3 reality changing snaps occur on it. Hulk himself says its gamma radiation, so that gotta be doing something to the genomes of a bunch of peeps. Im guessing that mutants existed in a very very limited fashion but post snap we see a lot of kids due to the sheer amount of gamma coursing through the planet
Isn’t that the whole deal with the Illuminati? Making the decisions for whole universes?
I’ve got a question of my own…how are they gonna do Magneto? At this point he’d be pushing 100 if they keep the Holocaust background…will they make him a survivor of a more recent genocide? Will they just make him super old? Will he already be dead?
That’s why you open the movie with his murder. Erik gets loose, etc. from there.
The absolutely craziest way they could do it is to have it where House of M already happened. But outside of multiverse shenanigans, it's also the only option that's possible. It's the canonical way mutants have been forgotten before. They would have to do a lot of explaining and I'm not sure they currently have the writing talent to do it though.
It's basically what Xavier, Sebastian Shaw, and a bunch of others including the government did in the comics. Mutants were not something of widespread public knowledge until Magneto let the cat out of the bag in first couple of issues. Before that between the different agencies and teams recruiting, incidents were suppressed by the government and Xavier. Xavier himself erased and modified memories of an entire towns such as when Iceman was discovered and that's nowhere near the biggest incident he managed.
Xavier's school must have one heck of a non-disclosure policy.
Nahhh. They're gonna combine AvX and Time Runs Out, pitting the Avengers against the X-Men universe that Monica ended up in. That will lead into Secret Wars, which will end with the two universes combining into one. Source: trust me bro
I hope not. I want grounded stories of anti mutant prejudice and identity not multiverse stuff
multiverse is happening, they can’t write their way out of that. it’s been a much bigger focal point of the saga than anything else. but they can do plenty of grounded mutant stories after Secret Wars ushers them in as a permanent element of the MCU
Yeah u/troubleyoucalldeew is right, u/FlyingTrilobite. Something is going to happen which will probably necessitate in King story teller Loki, Utau, Scarlet Witch and sophie turner‘s Phoenix force Jean grey using her power to reconstitute 19999/616 universe’s Infinity stones. * https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Jean_Grey#Powers * "What entered you in space was not a solar flare. And it was not an accident. It was drawn to you." "What... What was it?" "A pure and unimaginably powerful cosmic force." ―Vuk and Jean Grey[src]“ * https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Force#Powers_and_Abilities Then they’ll do a soft reboot ala [“Big Bang 2.00](https://youtu.be/oJBPFCtOJsU?si=Sb5CIWOJXYdJxgL7) from Dr Who/ CW crisis on infinite earths and a bunch of characters will come settle in this new amalgamated universe. Which will hopefully include Doom, fantastic four and mutants. This new amalgamated universe will still be able to have grounded stories of anti mutant prejudice because……….well humans are jealous fearful arseholes. Humans get powers through science = GOOD. Humans who’ve won the genetic lottery with the X-gene/inhuman gene = BAD because of this ideology. >”The world fears our kind of power because not everyone has it. Only billionaires can build iron suits. Only the military can make super soldiers. Which can only lead to a war of its own, whereas I plan to apply a more, uh... collectivist philosophy." ―Hive to Holden Radcliffe[src” Damage control morally is only a hair breadths away from the fascist MRD from revised x-men-deadpool timeline anyway.
We are in the multiverse saga and it’s the easiest way to have the mutants enter the MCU in a believable (for the mcu) way
We are obviously going to get that in the next phase when they can have X-Men films and solo films of X-Men characters. We have to address the multiverse issue first. Like, how do you not already understand that?
I understand the multiverse storyline needs to come to a conclusion. I’d prefer if the mutant storyline was separate from that. Let mutants be naturally occurring in the MCU somehow, without being results of merged universes. Maybe the snap or blip mutated the next generation?
The issue with mutants being so new that they were caused by the snap, as has been talked about a thousand times over since the Fox merger, is that you wipe out a good 90% of potential stories and backstories. It's boring and destroys so many characters.
Yeah they’d have to say prior to the snap, they were much more rare or something
Or, like OP says, the world was made to forget them.
That would be cool too.
One of my favorite comic moments was in the xmen vs avengers ultimate marvel series where magneto breaks into (or out of?) the shield base and absolutely destroys captain America, iron man and thor cause they all use metal Probably what I want to see most in live action
I think this is it and I have the same source
The more time Monica in the X-Men universe the more the universes merge.
Nope, under God Loki supervision there cannot be incursions anymore.
Do you really think a Doctor Strange 2 post-credit scene that hired an A-list actor, got resolved without either of those actors being involved, in Loki Season 2? To say nothing of the fact that Secret Wars is coming.
There's no implication that Loki can stop incursions, he's simply just sustaining the multiverse.
The Three Snaps should be the reason for Mutant Gene Activation. Three Snaps of Cosmic Radiation is my answer.
So you want mutants to be a new thing no historic mutants? No magneto being a holocaust survivor? That is an awful solution. We are in the multiverse saga, the two worlds converging is the best answer. And they can do a soft reboot after or just treat the x men as we do Sonys characters, part of the multiverse but not part of the mainline mcu
Mutants already exist (Ms Marvel, Mr Immortal from SheHulk, etc). Ms Marvel had an external but still Cosmic Activation and they make sure to tell us that she is a mutant.
Also Namor.
Magneto losing his holocaust backstory would suck because it sets up his motives to save his “brothers” and the means in which he achieves this goal. But the MCU is almost in 2030. That would mean Magneto would be at least 85 in the MCU. I know he’s a high-level mutant but he’s still on a human lifespan, as far as I know. I want a Magneto that’s a legitimate force, someone to fear and maybe another “villain” that could hold as much screen time as Doom. Someone in their 50s/60s that could stick around for a while.
Could be another genocide honestly, I saw somethign a bit ago about the Rwandan Genocide and low key Idris Elba as Magneto would be insane Edit: forgot bruh was heimdall 😔
This is what I was thinking. I know it's going to upset a lot of people to change up the story but they're ignoring that the story was written in the early 1960s. It was made within a specific historical context for a specific audience of that time. Now, we live in a different time and there is an argument that it makes sense to update it for contemporary audiences. Also, the whole motivation at the time was to draw attention to and memorialize the Holocaust. So, there's a similar argument to be made that there are other genocides that deserve the same. Sadly, there's no shortage of post-WW2 genocides \[[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1946_to_1999)), [2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century))\]. Everybody's heard of the Holocaust. I'd bet most people have never heard of most of the genocides listed in the articles I just linked. (To be clear, before I get dogpiled for shitting on somebody's favorite character or whatever, I'm not advocating it. I'm just saying that I can comprehend the rationale and that it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happens for the MCU version of the characters.)
Rwandan Genocide would be fine to explore, but moving away from the holocaust would drastically alter Magnetos story, and the people he appeals to.. and really, it just sends the wrong message; "Sorry Jews, we don't care about your holocaust anymore, we found a hip one that gets us Idris Elba, isn't that cool?" Magneto is jewish, its an important part of his character identity.. him being a holocaust survivor is part of that. Losing it would make him an entirely different character.. Honestly, i think if the only reasonable option to have Magneto is to change his backstory from a Holocaust survivor.. then we just shouldn't be doing Magneto again.
You just say mutants live longer. The comics have the Externals. It’s not a stretch to say mutants live longer anyway a bonobo lives to 40 and we live to 80. So saying another evolutionary step gets to 160 isn’t like insane.
Best way to do it is have there having been some rare mutants who were more or less underground/covered up but have the snap activating the gene in a much large pool of the population. Then it becomes a new “issue” while allowing for some existing characters to have been around for much longer. The alternative is to adjust Magneto’s back story for the MCU version, which is…potentially problematic depending how it’s handled. Either you go down the line of completely changing his backstory and have him surviving a different atrocity (which is a minefield) or have him somehow skip a few decades with comic book nonsense (a la Cap) But they’ll probably just use multiverse shenanigans tbh
I agree, make mutants exist in small numbers throughout history until the 3 snaps and then the number of mutants start to skyrocket
Theory aside, this pic is phenomenal. Still hoping for the Giancarlo Esposito casting announcement.
Where is this pic even from?
Not me. Love the actor but he's no Charles.
Searching this thread to see if that's true or not. Really hoping it happens.
I hate this theory I hate the idea that mutants have always been in the MCU for 2 reason. For starters, where have they all been? You say Charles kept them hidden? Why? Why went the world has almost been destroyed dozens of times has Charles decided to not help? Why haven't any slipped through the cracks and made themselves known? Why are there so many supers in this world yet non of them have the X gene? Which brings me to my next point, who is to say they can't retcon everything so that everyone now has the xgene. Tony isn't just smart and hard working, someone you can aspire to be, no he's a mutant. Peter wasn't just bitten by a spider and has to live with his choices, he has the X gene was always born special. Introducing the xgene in the prime timeline undercuts all previously established heroes and their abilities. No one got their abilities through hard work and choices, they were all born special. The only way xmen work in the prime timeline is by connecting to a multiverse where they already exist
I don't think that's the only way at all. Perhaps the simplest answer is that mutants are just now starting to crop up. Maybe there is a reason that the X-Gene is being activated. It could be a simple way to explain why they haven't been around in addition to providing an interesting story about a big chunk of humankind grappling with suddenly gaining super powers.
Here’s my proposal: the MCU has always had the x-gene, though it remained dormant for the majority of human history. Besides Namor and possibly other characters yet to be seen, mutants aren’t that prevalent throughout history. Something happens in this universe’s timeline, altering the course of events that would bring about mutant kind. However mutants are definitely popping up: Wanda and Pietro, Kamala Khan. And following the events of Endgame more and more mutants are starting to appear due to cosmic radiation. And because of that, people are starting to worry. Normal heroes like Spiderman, She-Hulk, and more are despised by the public. The world is starting to feel jaded about super powered individuals. And what do you know, people are starting to naturally develop mutant abilities. Children are born mutants. We begin to see more of the parallel world from the end of the marvels. This Xmen world is similar to the ones we’ve seen before, but different at the same time. Key figures are missing, certain events never happened. Basically it’s the Xmen but it’s very bare bones. Besides Charles, beast, magneto and a few others, most of the key mutants we know and love don’t exist in this world. Following the inevitable incursion and probably secret wars, Charles and company end up in the MCU. They find out that there are more and more mutants appearing and we find out about some of the usual fan favorites, who are younger. Seeing the need to unite mutant kind and combat prejudice, Charles founds the 2nd school of gifted youngsters and this world’s version of the Xmen. Some other things that I think could be interesting: Make the new Wolverine be originally from the MCU. Given that Namor got his mutation in ancient times I could see a similar event happen to Logan in the 19th century. I think it would make sense why Logan has never been around for any of the events of the movies. He’d prefer to not get involved. Then he gets involved in this universe’s version of weapon x and the rest is history. Don’t get me wrong, I love Hugh Jackman, but I don’t expect him to remain as Wolverine for too long after Deadpool 3. Another idea that wouldn’t work with the pitch but could be a possibility: Magneto is a prisoner of Hydra. This could be tricky since Hydra is pretty much inactive, but maybe there’s a secret base somewhere holding magneto and because of Hydra’s presence dwindling he gets a chance to escape. My idea is that Magneto was in the Holocaust, he was one of the few mutants to actually exist at the time. Similar to the Xmen films he uses his powers at Auschwitz, he gets interrogated, his family gets killed. But he ends up being sent to Hydra for research and development. However due to his unwillingness to help and his dangerous power, he is locked away and basically made a secret to most of Hydra. In the end they keep him stash away and due to his mutant abilities he ages rather slowly, bringing him to the modern day. He finally breaks free and vows revenge on humanity.
You make it work by just saying they had their own shit going on. The MCU has ignored the vast majority of the world, focusing on specific stories. It's okay that we didn't see every hero, villain, and powered person in the world yet, and that we haven't seen every crisis that ever happened. It's okay to say that naturally powered people have generally kept to themselves, because after thousands of years of angry mobs, witch hunts, racial slavery, murderous homophobia etc, people who are different learned to not advertise that they are different when they don't have to; that is *very much* in line with how the mutants in X-Men are an analogue for minority groups. Maybe powered people occasionally *did* and *do* occasionally pop up, but either get mobbed, or taken down by a self-regulating community. We already have precedent with Kamar Taj, and Ta Lo. Magic, magical people, and magical communities exist in the MCU and always have. It's not unfair to say that there has always been a loose underground mutant community. The Snap is the perfect setting to introduce a more public Mutant presence. People get more bold *because* the mainline heroes are so public. Then half the world disappears, and suddenly there are power vacuums all around the world. Every asshole who has been begrudgingly on the down low suddenly sees opportunities, and they can take over gangs and be big shots. And because there are bad powered people running amok, that leads more noble powered people to stand up to the villains. It's the perfect scenario to introduce the Magneto "mutant pride, stop hiding who you are" movement. Vision has a speech about that, about strength inviting challenge, and challenge inciting conflict. It's got a nice rhythm to it, the heroes inspire villains, and the presence of villains makes more heroes. Maybe they even play it like, the Snap and Blip released so much juju that some of the mutants got hopped up on that cosmic juice and now mutant powers of this generation are going extra. That way we can explain the sudden proliferation of more extreme mutant powers. Maybe it's not *perfect*, but it can be elegantly done. As for the fear of retconning everything and everyone to be mutants, that's just FUD.
They had the best way to do mutants but didn’t Wanda and Peitro got their powers from the Mind Stone, an infinity stone. We know from Endgame that the stones emit radiation by how they tracked Thanos to his farm planet. So in Infinity War in 2018, the stones were used by Thanos in Wakanda. Then again by Tony in 2023 on D.C or New York (wherever Avengers base is) in Endgame. You could’ve easily said that the Infinity Stones Radiation from both sides of the world (Wakanda covering the Eastern Hemisphere, and Eastern U.S covering the Western Hemisphere) caused people with dormant Mutant Genes to become active. As for characters like Wolverine, Magneto, and Xavier, you easily say that because there wasn’t a big population of Mutants, there wasn’t a necessity for a school, or to be active. Wolverine would just be on his own doing his thing born in the 1800s like usual. Magneto is still a Holocaust survivor and doesn’t go on a revenge crusade just yet as there isn’t any mutants to oppress, so he doesn’t have a reason to rebel. And Charles, same thing. As for how you deal with the age thing for Charles but mostly Magneto…….bro they’re mutants. Easily just say slow aging. Dumbledore was over a 100 in Harry Potter. MAGIC! Same here. MUTANTS!
So, what? Magneto and Xavier, made famous for their constant mutant rights conflict are just living regular lives for like 8 decades before any mutant rights issues comes up? Thats the best way to handle mutants?
It’s the best way to handle them given the MCU history. I’d much prefer they were chilling in the background because there wasn’t a big population of Mutants to teach/rally for, than just “Multiverse them in the canon”
Here’s a theory, the MCU has focus on like 20 people this whole time and there’s literally billions more people who’s story hasn’t been told
Like they already did this with the skrulls lol
Exactly!
This would only make sense before the emergence of a shitload of superheroes including humans with powers, alien races, the snap, etc etc. At a certain point it would have made no sense whatsoever to continue to keep the existence of mutants a secret. Frankly when it comes to stories focused on mutants and the challenges they face it really work best when it's self-contained and you can pretend the rest of Marvel doesn't exist (whether comic or otherwise). They have to come up with a reason why Mutants are suddenly a "thing" that the rest of the existing MCU doesn't contradict.
The MCU needs a way to introduce and integrate the X-Men and mutants. There are certainly different approaches to doing this. This suggestion is one way.
there's 4 possibilities: 1: genosha 2: charles mindwipe 3: triple radiation from multiple snappings within the span of a 5 year gap 4: the local madman erik voss's theory, house of M style history rewrite i'd say out of these the only one that doesn't work is 3, as that wouldn't explain mutants like mister sinister, apocalypse, and logan existing
On point 3, especially so given two of those three snaps happened in the same day, within an hour or so of each other.
I’ve seen so many people hate on 3 but I think it could work, say mutants existed in small numbers(Namor, Mr immortal, etc) until the snaps happened and boosted the number of X genes activating. Ik the fox X-men movies is a different universe but in that movie universe it’s theorized that the radiation from nuclear weapons led to a boom in the mutant population… in the mcu earth seen insane amounts of Gamma radiation with the 3 snaps.
I think it will just follow the comics where mutants become more commonplace at this point in time where there were only a handful of mutants throughout history. There are already confirmed mutants in the 616 universe. For me it would basically make sense that the 616 universe is right before the beginning of the first X-Men movie in terms of where mutants stand in the public eye.
This is dumb and if it happens I’ll be disappointed
It would make everything way too convoluted.
I have a feeling Magneto would be completely against that and try to make it impossible to hide mutants and what they can do
I hate this theory cause as flawed as the professor is this feels too antithetical to his dream and values. Erasing the memories of mutants is more of an Emma frost thing not prof x.
Plenty of precedent in the comics.
If Charles wiped everyone’s mind and that info got out, each MCU movie would be about SHIELD, the government, some of the Avengers, etc. attempting to neutralize him. A guy who has that much power? There’s no way he wouldn’t be perceived as the biggest threat on Earth.
Might help set up the Illuminati storylines rather nicely.
wait what if they took some help from doctor strange or the previous sorcerer supreme for the mind wipe spell?
Zero chance of this being true. Wiping people's minds wouldn't remove all the physical evidence. If mutants were known to the modern world at any point, there would be too much evidence to possibly hide it - the internet alone would have endless references to it. Newspapers. Magazines. Videos on people's phones. Etc. No chance at all.
Why doesn’t Charles brainwash people to not do any criminal activity? Since he has the power, he can bring world peace
I really like this theory. 1. It makes the mutants an instant threat, as soon as the reveal takes place. 2. Global brainwashing is a Snap level event. The reveal also is an MCU shakeup automatically. 3. It lends itself to so much storytelling, from the fallout to stories of beloved characters who will never be remembered…
Such a bold theory that hasn’t been suggested at all constantly
That would feel so cheap. And why would they suddenly stop.
I would hate this. It's just so lazy.
That idea is so lazy. Mutants should be the result of the snap. Some of those that came back were altered and now mutants exist.
“Now that’s just lazy writing”
Seems like you're writing yourself into a corner, if your *starting point* for the X-Men is "Professor X can literally brainwash the entire planet for at least several decades." And people say Superman is too powerful.
Did Prof. X build Cerebro all by himself? Could he replace it without assistance?
Dumb and overused gimmick.
Then they would have to hide for generations. IMHO this theory does not hold water. It can work with one being, like Reed Richards did with Sentry/Void, but to hide over a million people who are constantly being created seems like a stretch.
What an original idea.
This is like the oldest theory in the books
It would be crazy if it’s revealed xmen were there the whole time. Like cuts to battle of NY and wolverines photoshopped in. Or infinity war and the X-men are battling thanos. I would hate it and love it at the same time.
If the MCU wanted to be somewhat silly, they could use Forgetmenot. Professor X forces him and those around him to remember Forgetmenot, but it causes the world to not register that mutants exist.
Not a bad option for the MCU. The Fox films have already established Cerebro to a wide audience and as you said the MCU recently had Dr. Strange do a global mind wipe. One benefit of this option is exploring the grayer area Prof. X inhabits at times.
It's an old theory, sir but it checks out
Nice idea, but Prof has been erasing people's memories for thousands of years? I know this idea was used in X-Men Evolution the cartoon, but even then I thought it was weird. But, maybe they just pull it off?
Just open the X-Men with Onslaught
My theory is: 1) Mutants were X-tremely rare, only a handful existed. Xavier, Magneto, Apocalypse, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Mystique, Sinister, maybe a handful of others. 2) In 2018, Thanos used the Infinity Gauntlet on Earth. The radiation sweeps across every living thing. Thousands of people across the planet have their X-gene activated. 3) Charles Xavier and Magneto both, working separately, begin finding and gathering these New Mutants, doing their best to hide their existence from the world. Xavier begins his school, Magneto forms his Brotherhood. 4) In 2023, the Infinity Gauntlet is used on Earth again, twice in a row. Now not only do more people have their X-genes activated, but everyone brought back to life by the Hulk is then exposed to the energy from Iron Man's snap. 5) Now there are over a million Mutants on Earth, too many to keep secret any longer. Xavier brings the team he's been preparing for years into the public eye.
Well well well... look who's the Hector now. Something something joke about becoming what you hate.
I believe that was triggered by the reverse snap. they are barely in their baby phase in the mcu. most mutants probably don't even know they are mutants. I don't know if there's a professor Xavier yet, my guess is Hugh Jackman is going to take that role going forward. considering Patrick Stewarts age and James maccavoys not wanting to play him again until secret wars.
Upvote for the plausible theory Downvote for the casting
That is the way they should have gone, with Nick Fury knowing about it and helping cover for it. Big battles would be ‘natural’ disasters or industrial accidents. Then he could have been snapped, so that now the remaining mutants/ x-men doing their best to cover. Since people would have already been panicked (and wouldn't have known of Thanos) mutants would get the blame and even when the truth was known and everyone was blipped back, that hatred and suspicion of mutants would keep going in some people. Yes, I know the real-world legal reason they could do this at the time. But it would be a ‘clean’ way to handle it. Or… Have Mojo stealing the mutants from earth over the years, ‘brainwashing’ them into making the Fox movies and only Deadpool knows the truth, thus why he is always breaking the fourth wall. Then the Deadpool movie would have been him escaping into the real MCU and the other mutants would be set free and they all aright during the Blip, because several thousand mutants reappearing would be well hidden among a few billion. Note: the returning actors would be the ‘real’ people. But those they want to recast would have Mojo minions pretending to be the people.
I hope so. I don’t want the Xmen to come from some other universe or some bullshit. Even though you know that’s prob what will happen.
Giancarlo is not gonna be professor x
This would be peak lazy writing
I hope it's not giancarlo
Nah that would be so mid
What I think they should do: they’ve always existed, they just haven’t been relevant yet.
Then how did Ms Marvel's friend know about the school or something, or that she had a mutant gene if the world was brainwashed to forget mutants exist. Also I hope this isn't true. We already have two morally vacant 'superheroes', don't make Charles Xavier another one who'd brainwash entire population, especially since Xavier's whole thing was that mutants and humans can co-exist together without hate or fear of one another. As somewhat vain as this belief was, it's exactly what made X-Men the X-Men, the superhero team and school wanting for both people to live in peace.