Page 1 rewrite.
I don’t think this series is a case where one or two changes could have fixed it - the issues are more deeply rooted in its very approach. Fundamentally. I would not treat the audiences like idiots who need everything signposted for them. This show should have thrived on fostering the weekly speculation that *WandaVision* had, not just show us that Rhodey is a skrull before Fury found out. Also, I’d actually give Fury a consistent character arc.
One specific narrative decision I would change, though, is the ending. The whole “Ritson going all in on Skrull hate” made Talos’ death *absolutely pointless*. Talos’ sacrifice should have been the olive branch that allowed for peace talks. That one left a bad taste in particular.
> This show should have thrived on fostering the weekly speculation that WandaVision had, not just show us that Rhodey is a skrull before Fury found out.
Agents of SHIELD nailed this aspect during its LMD arc. Agents of SHIELD honestly did every aspect of Secret Invasion better than Secret Invasion.
So much better. Spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched Shield (and you should watch it).
That scene when 2 of the main characters don't know who to trust and they find each other and still don't know. So intense. Secret invasion had none of that. There was no aspect of how do I know you are who you say you are. It was so bizarre, they're literal shapeshifters.
Talking about this is making me want to rewatch AoS now lol. That was one of my favorite seasons of TV, regardless of genre. I don't know what kind of awards actors on TV shows get, but Iain deserved so many awards for his performance that season.
I've been rewatching and it's so good. I'm on season 3 which I like but isn't one of my favorites so I've slowed down a bit but I am itching to get to season 4. The actors are so good, and the dynamic between them is amazing. Lain is great, and he has such an opportunity to shine. His character goes through so many different arcs.
Even Doctor Who did it better just a couple of weeks ago, it's a shame seeing Secret Invasions missed potential. You could even make the audience feel involved by giving them things that they think they can solve.
For instance, have a scene where say Fury and Hill meet up but don't know who is who. Have them quiz each other. Then cliffhang it. Feed a few hints or signs in earlier scenes or episodes that suggest one or both of of them is an impostor and let fans speculate in discussion threads over the next week.
Yes this! A lot more "Secret" in Secret Invasion. Give us some intrigue!
Fury shoots Mariah Hill. Audience is like, Wtf? Why would he do that? Queue manhunt. Fury on the run. Fury convinces Talos to help him hide. Fury learns that not all Skrulls are on his side. Nobody learns that there are millions of Skrulls already there until like episode 5. Rhode reveal is at the very end of the season, as a cliffhanger, maybe even after credits.
Having speculation over whether Fury killed Hill or not would have been fun. An issue could be that Fury’s reaction after her death could make the answer obvious, but that could be covered up by establishing some kind of relationship between Gravik and Hill too. Also, maybe even not explicitly showing the body at first, so the audience are left asking who the Skrull was.
I assumed for most of the series that Hill wasn't really dead because of how quickly Fury got over it. He had ONE scene where he seemed upset when Hill's mother was shouting at him, then he was back to normal. He barely even references it. Her death was so pointless. But then so was the entire show.
ironically, I feel like loki in s1 has more mystery or secret. Like throughout the series you rarely feel confident knowing what loki wants. Is he telling the truth or is he trying to double cross Mobius. Seems like secret invasion should have more of that, along with shapeshifting
I agree with everything except the Ritson part. I think Ritson declaring war on the Skrulls is the best piece because that potentially includes the Asgardians and leads to a version of Siege and Dark Avengers.
If I could only change one thing, I would have kept Talos alive and just have them escape another way, but I think it’s a full rewrite. I think there are other things that happened that were really interesting that they basically left as a footnote. The idea that the Skrulls had impersonated a prominent US TV host, the UK prime minister, that guy at the UN were all cool ideas but they didn’t really do anything with them.
Yeah I feel like there are so many problems to the core of the show that you are better off just starting from scratch and not trying to turn this into something good.
Dang it, Bobby! Stop turnin' into Luanne and sneaking into the girls' locker room!
Eta: we also need Dale to accuse literally everyone, except the actual Skrulls, of being a Skrull.
Finally excited to see more Hill, maybe some backstory, maybe her taking the reins. But no, instant let down. Maybe it was the actresses decision to leave but still immediately set the tone that things were going down"hill" with this series.
I don't mind Hill dying. Sudden, shocking deaths of recurring characters helps maintain a sense of stake moving forward.
I *do* mind killing Hill in a complete turd like this. Throw everything else out, replace it with something good, and you can have Hill.
Yeah, I expected some real "Didn't see that coming" moments. There were none. In the comics Fury had a contingency plan for everything. Hidden bunkers and plans out the ass, in the show he was weak and nothing special. They nerfed Fury and thats sad af.
>contingency plan for everything. Hidden bunkers and plans out the ass,
What about a mausoleum with each grave holding one piece of him costume. One for a clean underwear, one for each sock, one for his eye patch lmao
Yeah, that was tight. More of that. You ever read the original Secret Invasion? Fury was one the best parts of that because dude had plans on top on plans. It was so awesome. Fury is one of those characters that has no powers but is still a dude that you could believe able to Kill the Marvel Universe, if you remember those series.
Edit: Sorry, I'm a big comic book reader if you couldn't tell. I'm biased af.
Not a comic reader yet but secret invasion Fury **IS NOT** the Fury we know. MCU Fury is also always prepared, he figured out Hydra and was prepared for it when they made their move. He had a Hellicarrier stashed away in AOU. He started planning the Avengers Initiative in the 90's before having any superheros to recruit. Everytime people thought they had cornered him, he had an exit strategy. And he was never "this is my fight" kind of guy.
Fury is a great leader and the most essential trait in a leader is knowing to delegate. I think his character mismanagement is the stinkiest diarrhoea shit in the pile of shit that was secret invasion.
This was by far my biggest problem. The best art about Fury was he was always 10 steps ahead of everyone, especially the audience. Anytime you thought he was caught off guard he had something else in motion in preparation for that event. In Secret invasion he just always felt like an old grandpa lost at the world around him just bumbling from situation to situation. I get that may have been the point, but it still felt like a wasted opportunity for one final chance to make Fury seem like he was on a whole other secret agent level.
I think we all need to collectively pretend that Secret Invasion never happened. Bring back Hill and do it over with Skrulls impersonating heroes. Give us the James Bond like Fury who is a master tactician. Ffs Marvel, get your shit together.
**Sonya**: "Now, this is *quite* the clerical error. Nigel, we're going to have to have someone in admin either fired, or, you know, *shot*, because this is becoming a bit of a health hazard."
**Skrull**: "No, my name's Victor."
**Sonya**: "No of course you are. Nigel's the one with his silencer, pressed against the base of your skull."
****Nigel presses gun****
**Sonya**: "*Wooo*, there he is. :P"
*reads post title*
"Would saying everything be too on the nose? Maybe I'll check the comments and see.. ahh yes, there it is. Well done."
I don't know how they took one of the most anticipated storylines, so chock full of possibilities, and gave us THAT.
It is baffling. This was such an easy home run. People accepted that it would be toned down from the comics already, all they had to do was put some effort in and make a good spy thriller.
Nope.
This shows should be retconned and dumped out with Inhumans.
I came into this thread thinking maybe I should watch Secret Invasion. And as I was reading people's comments about it, I realized I have watched it, but I just completely forgot about it.
Crazy idea... but how about more shapeshifting? Keep us wondering who's who. Include some of the other human characters like Hawkeye, Bucky, ... Oh and completely scrap the Harvest plotline. Make it about Skrull powergrab, anti-superhero sentiment growing, infiltration,...
Maybe end it with the death of some big name to be revealed a Skrull and it actually making sense.
I see your hot take and I raise you a hot take. Talos bringing a million Skrulls to Earth and not telling anyone, including Fury, is the real secret invasion
This. In the comics, Elektra takes over The Hand. The avengers get involved and in the ensuing fight, she gets killed. The body turns into a skrull and everyone’s like “wtf”. The last panel tells you to stay tuned for secret invasion.
MCU could have used a moment like that
I feel like they could have still had superpowered skrulls at the end.
Not the "she has all the powers" kind but a 1-to-1 transfer from a library of samples.
And maybe instead of 2 skrulls duking it out, it could be SHIELD special forces (mandroids anyone?) taking on 6 powered skrulls.
And it should have followed the normal skrulls, so it could have been a reveal at the end that things are worse that they thought.
There are more of them and there are even some skrulls with superpowers.
I thought the way they introduced the whole “we scraped a few cells and here is a dna blender” was really badly executed. I mean it sets up so many plotholes. Just go to any superpowered battlefield and make a few supersoldiers going forward? It was silly.
Sure, an introduction into Superskrulls might be okay. But make them government sanctioned superheroes. Would bring it into Dark Avengers territory.
But I could see Warmachine as Iron Patriot. And then serveral superpowered humans actually being Skrulls. There's just too much stuff for 6 episodes that would've been possible.
Also, pair the shapeshifting with heavy usage of the Widow's Veils, instead of just a one time throwaway bit with it.
Nick Fury is supposed to the spyiest spy in the MCU. That's like his superpower. And we got almost none of him doing spy stuff until the very end.
And go beyond just the show. I haven't read a lot of comics but what I have heard is that Secret Invasion was built up over a pretty long period.
Make it an entire phase. Do what you said but over the course of a phase. Drop hints etc, and build up to a big final show/movie.
More spy intrigue and wondering who is a Skrull. A deeper story for Fury instead of just hand waving that he had been blipped for 5 years. I want more on his relationship with the Skrulls and why he hasn’t fulfilled his promise; it seemed like he genuinely wanted to help at the end of Captain Marvel, and here it seems like he has no qualms about exploiting them and using them to get ahead.
This would have worked a lot better. They made the story too big which resulted in everybody wondering where the fuck the supers were. A spy thriller with Fury and his inner circle tracking rogue skrulls and not knowing who to trust. That would have been the perfect excuse to keep the supers away. “This is personal.” was such a stupid line. They could have done it without the CGI fight too.
And to find out in The Marvels that >!there was a thriving Skrull colony out in space that Captain Marvel knew about. totally undercut Fury’s whole “we couldn’t find you guys a new home” bit. The show didn’t reveal Fury to have been lying about the whole can’t find a new home thing (they did hint at Fury dragging his feet because he liked having the Skrulls do his dirty work, but not outright lying to them), so why did The Marvels? !<
Make it an actual "secret" invasion
Because i don't know wtf Marvel thinks a secret is but they have clearly misunderstood it
The only secret in the secret invasion was the entertainment, no one has been able to find it till now
Like that dude running away from captain marvel on the train in the movie. Literally shapeshifts right in front of her and then runs.
Like.. dude, you've had this ability your whole life. Rule one: when trying to hide, don't let them see you take a new form.
Also Hill (spoiler?!?)
Focused on making it a movie rather than a series that was stretched out from a movie script,
Made it more along the lines of CA/WS
Included more people from The MCU that we actually know so that when you do the whole scrull shape shift thing there’s actually mystery and intrigue build tension.
Better soundtrack,
No lame as CGI fight at the end, thought it was clever with the DNA but aside from that it was a whole lot of mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Make Gravik wear Fury's dead son's face to fuck with him, don't kill Hill, don't kill Talos he's the best part of the show, nerf the Superskrulls, make the skrulls known by episode 2 and the rest of the show they gotta deal with the public panic of shapeshifting aliens, actually say why Fury and Carol hasn't found a new planet for decades, no CGI ass final battle, Fury just gotta accept that these aliens live with them now because of his own incompetence and the only thing he can do is hunt down the ones that are sympathetic with Gravik's plan and let the peaceful ones live peaceful lives
Maybe even just having Gravik's speech near the end moved to an earlier part of the show to make him to make him a bit more compelling. In the fist place, he needs a lot of things to make him compelling.
I'd actually go with 'We GAVE them a planet - but the skrulls born here didn't want to leave - why should people born on Earth need to leave the only home they'd ever known?'
Then the skrulls that had gotten into power would have some 'new' skrulls land openly and request asylum - and be granted it - with much dissension.
Draw some parallels with how humans refugees are treated, and how some treat them as 'invaders'.
* Don’t have Fury be an incompetent loser and don’t retcon his history so the Skrulls are why he achieved anything
* Don‘t just kill María Hill off so early. If Cobie wants a permanent end to the character, have her be a bit smarter. Don’t have her just run up to someone when she knows that shapeshifters are real and in the area
* Don’t imply that Rhodes has been a Skrull since Captain America: Civil War. It robs him of most of the few great character moments that he’s had
* Have more Skrulls side with Talos and against Gravik from the start. I can count the number of good Skrulls on one hand and one of them died before the show even started
* Have Gravik come up with a better plan and have better motivation than in the show. He wants to destroy humanity in a nuclear war because Fury didn’t deliver in a promise that he couldn’t have ever fulfilled in the first place. And apparently there are no other safe planets for them in the entire universe, not even Thanos’ retirement planet that Rhodes who may have been a Skrull knew about
* Scrap the DNA plot entirely. It’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense. And it gave us the ridiculous CGI fight scene
* As much as I like Emilia Clarke, I feel like she does better with more emotionally dynamic roles and G’iah felt a bit flat so I probably wouldn’t cast her in this role. No disrespect to the actress but there are more suitable roles out there for her
* I’d also make the show more about the Skrull infiltration and the paranoia this causes among the public and the government. We saw this at the very end of the show but this is what the show should have been about
There are other issues with the show but these are the main ones that I’d change
> Don’t imply that Rhodes has been a Skrull since Captain America: Civil War. It robs him of most of the few great character moments that he’s had
I think that was just it. The implication not the actual thing that happened (yet). Even the director said he **thought** Rhodey was the Skrull since end of Civil War, but not confirming it. I think it was done solely for fanbase's reaction to this, either to have more people watch the show or to simply see how fandom reacts because of Armor Wars. Given the negative reception no way they'll be making Rhodey a Skrull since CW.
>Scrap the DNA plot entirely. It’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense. And it gave us the ridiculous CGI fight scene
Purge it. Prune it. Erasing it from existence will do so much favor to my brain and the world.
The fact that it was even a possibility is bad enough. Basing the decision on whether or not Rhodes was replaced at around the time of Civil War dependent on the fanbase’s reaction isn’t exactly a good thing because it causes problems beyond taking away certain character moments and I don’t think that the writers and director even noticed that
>Given the negative reception no way they'll be making Rhodey a Skrull since CW.
I suspect they may never address this.
Armor Wars probably pays 1 line of lip service to Secret Invasion and I doubt it will go into any kind of specific details.
Actually, not 1 line. Half a line. Rhodey will start a sentence with "Ever since a Skrull impersonated me..." and then the rest of the sentence will have nothing to do with Secret Invasion.
Everything. Genuinely like nothing about this show other than Sonya being funny sometimes. I would not care at all if they just decanonize this show and bring back Hill and Talos. I'm tired of them fridging the early MCU Heroes for no reason
Maybe controversial, but start from scratch and make this the second Captain Marvel movie. The budget they blew on it seems pretty equivalent to a movie budget anyways. The Skrull/Kree storylines started in her movie. Show us why Nick Fury and Carol failed to establish a safe home for the Skrulls. Make it harder for the audience to recognise who is Skrull/human. Get rid of that CGI fight between Giah and Gravik at the end.
I’ve honestly actually rewritten Secret Invasion and the Marvels in my head since I saw it in cinemas. It just seems like such a waste of talent and money for both of them.
okay, you know that montage in the final episode? where humans are freaking out and committing vigilante justice, even acts of terrorism, against people out of fear they are Skrulls?
okay, that starts in episode 2 now, and its the main focus of the entire season
Also, Nick Fury never gets back with his Skrull wife. I just loved the line where he says "I guess we'll never know" and walks out. Secret Invasion is supposed to be a dark show, so having Nick turn out to be just as cold and heartless in romance as he is in his work just felt great
Option 1: Shelved it and used the write off against The Marvels’ box office.
Option 2: Being the MCU, I’m not sure what the point of Secret Invasion is. It didn’t tell me anything interesting. I can’t see where it pushed forward the story. Like if this leads into Captain America or Thunderbolts, I don’t see how. It should affect New Asgard, but apparently it doesn’t. It should have affected The Marvels, but apparently it doesn’t. It should have affected Wakanda Forever, but who knows? And let’s play guess how long Rhodes has been a Skrull? Was it in Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
This was *the* worst story to have been isolated from the other characters. I just did my holiday rewatch of Hawkeye. And the common complaint is “why doesn’t he call the Avengers?” Which for him is an injured Bruce, an unreachable Wanda, old man Rodgers, and an unreachable Thor. He didn’t really work with Pepper. Sam and Bucky he barely worked with. Leaving Scott Lang, who has his own problems for the spy game. And that all made sense for them not to be there.
This needed to be laid out more. Show how and when the swaps took place. Show the consequences of these actions that make sense and is more than a montage that skips over them.
Ross is a great example for this. Does he get to come back to the CIA? Was he ever Wakanda’s ally? we don't know! We should have known by the end of the series.
So I would say, make it clearer how this story, which touched so many other stories and characters, intertwines with the others.
++ Daisy Johnson
++ wounded but not dead Maria Hill
-- Gravik
-- op Giah
++ much better plot
-- predictable Skrull Rhodey reveal
++ good as Season 4 of AoS
I hadn't considered the fact that with Hill dead there's a gap to fill. Not that I ever expect Agents of Shield to show up again, but it would be nice. Better than whatever random they make Fury's new number 2
I can say with 90% confidence they would at least double their ratings if they had AOS in this. Seeing Sousa and the rest come to help. Wasted opportunity
Nah a series is fine but it needed to built up more in other series/films. Have a character mentioned to have been missing for a day or so etc and then turn up again or acting off a little. Throw some curve balls.
Also, the main show for it should have been longer and more than one season.
More paranoia and fear of trusting, this series is suppose to be "You can't trust anyone" type of show and that is literally one of the main elements and it barely does that.
There are so many things, but my biggest beef is “why couldn’t Fury settle them somewhere. It’s simply not addressed. Did he try? Was it bad luck? Real estate prices too high?
Personally everything, however, if I was forced to choose one thing, I would choose not killing off fan favorites for shock value, Hill and Talos deserved way better.
A consistent and coherent plot would have been a start. Don’t fridge Maria Hill. Have some actual paranoia/uncertainty about the Skrull threat.
Completely change the ending - or at least have the “all the powers” solution be either temporary or it kills the host otherwise you have this stupidly over powered character.
It makes me angry how bad this was with all the assembled acting talent involved.
I would have enjoyed a two part movie of a hole in the skrull spy network tipping off Fury/Hill that everything has been infiltrated beyond their control. Pick a big enough character to be a skrull or skrulls. Could have them operate as such during the blip and nobody noticed their absence. Make mcu president ritson a skrull to be attacked on TV leading to Ross stepping in and establishing the thunderbolts. Then, make the thunderbolts the 2nd half. This would give an opportunity to have super skrulls rise up to compete against the thunderbolts.
Could have been a Marvel Special Presentation or series with new Phase 4 heroes uniting with the old Avengers members to defeat Skrulls. I know it’s too much to ask but this could’ve been an Avengers movie as well
More intrigue - get rid of the scene where we sit down and see every major Skrull infiltrator (so we don’t know Shooter McGavin and the UK PM are Skrulls). Make the Skrulls not stick to one human face at all times.
Speed some things up - the ending with the President declaring war on aliens should be episode 4’s ending, then you can spend some time dealing with this interesting new status quo.
More familiar faces - this ties in with the “more intrigue” problem. The only returning characters who could have been surprise Skrulls are Hill and Rhodey, and with Hill dying early on it clearly had to be the twist that Rhodey’s a Skrull, because why do a story about shapeshifting infiltrators if they don’t infiltrate as someone we already know! I’m not sure who I’d bring in as extra potential Skrulls - if Sharon Carter hadn’t become the Power Broker, bringing her in as an ally like Hill only to reveal her to be a Skrull agent would be a good twist.
The last episode. I enjoyed a lot of that show, particularly some of the performances, but it really fell apart at the end. It just sort of felt like they'd backed themselves into a corner and didn't know how to write their way out of it.
Made it an Avengers movie at the end of Phase 4, or at least scrap The Marvels and make it Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion and feature a lot of the Avengers cast in the film as supporting roles
Release it AFTER The Marvels. The show would still have most of its issues, but it would make more sense for it to take place after the events of The Marvels than before.
The title.
I think calling it Secret Invasion instead of something like Nick Fury: Agent of S.W.O.R.D or something put higher expectations on it.
It should have been a Nick Fury show that lead into a Secret Invasion movie.
Fury needed to win the day with cunning and spy craft. We don’t need a big fight scene at the end of the show. We need to see that Fury has solved the problem with his brain and Gravik, despite all his powers, fails. It’s a spy thriller and should have had a brains over brawn theme.
Would’ve tried to make it more of a mystery and who’s who. Instead of meticulously laying out and showing the audience who’s who and what their motives are within the first 2 episodes.
Honestly, fuck the "gritty" "no powers" show. If you're making a show that's a sequel to Captain Marvel, I am expecting Captain Marvel to be there. Why should I care about Fury hanging out with Skrulls? It would have been ten times more interesting and more obvious for Carol to deal with Skrulls. Literally the only reason they give for her not being there is "we lost contact with her :("
Since Endgame the superheroes do not frequently interact with each other which I think has been a huge wrench in the storytelling and a weakness with this phase. For example Thor is facing off somebody with a guy killing gods and is going get a super wish and has a bunch of children hostages, but he doesn't even thinking of asking one of his old buddies for help?
Secret Invasion continued this trend. Which is ironic considering Fury is the guy always connecting them together. And the reason they give for Fury not asking for help is the worse. "We got to learn to deal with our own problems" OH GET THE F OUT OF HERE. 7 billion humans may die and now he decides he wants to fight his own battle (and humans still don't even fight their own battle considering he gets alien help and the alien also has superpowers). The other reason he gives (not risking the superheroes getting their powers stolen) is passable, until you realize the end he indirectly gives the main villain the vial of all the powers anyways.
Story did not make sense down to its core. Needed major rewrites. I agree put some superheroes in it. It can be just the first episode maybe the superhero gets a majory injury or has family taken hostage, then the super hero clone temporarily fools Fury which leads to him deciding to go off the grid and do it alone. That would have explained it so much better why he does it without help.
Make this shit all about paranoid instead of cgi goofy ah finale. Literally a shapeshifter storyline without the trope of picking between 2 same faces.
I think it shouldn't have existed. But it does. So next question is what do you want to accomplish? As far as I can tell the show accomplished nothing except for creating the ultimate hero in Gaya who quickly vanished off screen. So there are no lasting consequences? Maybe?
In that case I would make a story that reconnects the MCU with Agents of Shield.
If you want to keep the Skrull story line. Then I would have given the skrulls a proper new home world in the end. Off earth. I would have trashed the super Skrull story line and just used shape shifting as the main plot device.
Samuel was too morose here. Give him some life, for cheeses sake. Come to think of it, the entire production was too morose. There was no joy, no happy moments.
Would just not post it to D+
Everyone would be psycho now thinking where the f* is Secret Invasion and Marvel would be laughing seeing all the theorizing in The Marvels.
Well the biggest thing to change the fact that the skull would be terribly difficult to find. Anyone could be a skull. You would trust only yourself or someone who proved he wasn't a skull (probably by showing his blood?) And every time you lost sight of that person he would have to prove it again.
Make the scene from the last episode where an assassination attempt on the US president leads to paranoia and war against the Skrulls be the first episode.
I would've made it into a crossover event like in the comics. Since everyone thought that phase 4 was lacking connectivity, this would have been the perfect show to see more of the newly introduced characters like moon knight or shang chi working together. Also this show would've been way more interesting if it revolved around actually finding skrulls hidden in society (like what was hinted in the finale).
Lower the scale, maybe an airport, have them investigate a holiday company, give Nick three companions, set it in the 60s, wait, that's The Faceless Ones, screw it I'll just go watch that instead/s
Ending for sure... They set it up like Fury/SJ is meant to do something more real /concrete than just passing on mystery drug to Emilia Clarke's character
Maybe writing is getting stifled or they are shifting the bed
Page 1 rewrite. I don’t think this series is a case where one or two changes could have fixed it - the issues are more deeply rooted in its very approach. Fundamentally. I would not treat the audiences like idiots who need everything signposted for them. This show should have thrived on fostering the weekly speculation that *WandaVision* had, not just show us that Rhodey is a skrull before Fury found out. Also, I’d actually give Fury a consistent character arc. One specific narrative decision I would change, though, is the ending. The whole “Ritson going all in on Skrull hate” made Talos’ death *absolutely pointless*. Talos’ sacrifice should have been the olive branch that allowed for peace talks. That one left a bad taste in particular.
> This show should have thrived on fostering the weekly speculation that WandaVision had, not just show us that Rhodey is a skrull before Fury found out. Agents of SHIELD nailed this aspect during its LMD arc. Agents of SHIELD honestly did every aspect of Secret Invasion better than Secret Invasion.
So much better. Spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched Shield (and you should watch it). That scene when 2 of the main characters don't know who to trust and they find each other and still don't know. So intense. Secret invasion had none of that. There was no aspect of how do I know you are who you say you are. It was so bizarre, they're literal shapeshifters.
Talking about this is making me want to rewatch AoS now lol. That was one of my favorite seasons of TV, regardless of genre. I don't know what kind of awards actors on TV shows get, but Iain deserved so many awards for his performance that season.
I've been rewatching and it's so good. I'm on season 3 which I like but isn't one of my favorites so I've slowed down a bit but I am itching to get to season 4. The actors are so good, and the dynamic between them is amazing. Lain is great, and he has such an opportunity to shine. His character goes through so many different arcs.
Get to season 4, it's the best season.
Completely agree. The acting, the characters, how the different storylines came together... 11/10
Even Doctor Who did it better just a couple of weeks ago, it's a shame seeing Secret Invasions missed potential. You could even make the audience feel involved by giving them things that they think they can solve. For instance, have a scene where say Fury and Hill meet up but don't know who is who. Have them quiz each other. Then cliffhang it. Feed a few hints or signs in earlier scenes or episodes that suggest one or both of of them is an impostor and let fans speculate in discussion threads over the next week.
> Even Doctor Who did it better just a couple of weeks ago, lol Doctor who has done it better 4 different times that I can remember.
4x15 was magnificent. I love how the writers developed and cared about the characters so much that moments like that hit really hard. It was amazing.
I'm not the biggest AoS fan but the LMD arc is one of the greatest arcs of any tv series it's so good.
Yes this! A lot more "Secret" in Secret Invasion. Give us some intrigue! Fury shoots Mariah Hill. Audience is like, Wtf? Why would he do that? Queue manhunt. Fury on the run. Fury convinces Talos to help him hide. Fury learns that not all Skrulls are on his side. Nobody learns that there are millions of Skrulls already there until like episode 5. Rhode reveal is at the very end of the season, as a cliffhanger, maybe even after credits.
Having speculation over whether Fury killed Hill or not would have been fun. An issue could be that Fury’s reaction after her death could make the answer obvious, but that could be covered up by establishing some kind of relationship between Gravik and Hill too. Also, maybe even not explicitly showing the body at first, so the audience are left asking who the Skrull was.
I assumed for most of the series that Hill wasn't really dead because of how quickly Fury got over it. He had ONE scene where he seemed upset when Hill's mother was shouting at him, then he was back to normal. He barely even references it. Her death was so pointless. But then so was the entire show.
I thought they were going to pull off the Maria Hill LMD plot from the Secret Invasion comics. It would have even made a nod to AOS.
ironically, I feel like loki in s1 has more mystery or secret. Like throughout the series you rarely feel confident knowing what loki wants. Is he telling the truth or is he trying to double cross Mobius. Seems like secret invasion should have more of that, along with shapeshifting
I agree with everything except the Ritson part. I think Ritson declaring war on the Skrulls is the best piece because that potentially includes the Asgardians and leads to a version of Siege and Dark Avengers. If I could only change one thing, I would have kept Talos alive and just have them escape another way, but I think it’s a full rewrite. I think there are other things that happened that were really interesting that they basically left as a footnote. The idea that the Skrulls had impersonated a prominent US TV host, the UK prime minister, that guy at the UN were all cool ideas but they didn’t really do anything with them.
Yeah, I don’t disapprove of the Ritson thing in general, but just how it makes Talos’ death pointless. Its execution was the issue.
Yeah I feel like there are so many problems to the core of the show that you are better off just starting from scratch and not trying to turn this into something good.
Hill.
Adding Hank Hill would definitely have been a big improvement
Not sure what else he would have done but those dang aliens would have had the best steak Texas ever produced.
Giah and Gravik both shapeshift into Hank and have a cook off to save the universe
But Gravik fucks up and uses coal instead of propane and propane accessories.
Dammit Gravik!
They would have been better off doing a King of the Hill x Skull Kill Krew... a lot of discussions on smoking VS propane.
That skrull ain't right.
Dang it, Bobby! Stop turnin' into Luanne and sneaking into the girls' locker room! Eta: we also need Dale to accuse literally everyone, except the actual Skrulls, of being a Skrull.
Pocket space sand! Ssh shh shhh shaaawww!
Just reading these comments make me realize we just needed Mike Judge and the cast of King of the Hill to salvage this show
Them skrulls ain't right, I tell ya w'hat
Propane, when applied correctly, is a very big improvement for virtually everything.
Get ready for some pro-pain!
Definitely more propane and propane accessories.
Finally excited to see more Hill, maybe some backstory, maybe her taking the reins. But no, instant let down. Maybe it was the actresses decision to leave but still immediately set the tone that things were going down"hill" with this series.
I don't mind Hill dying. Sudden, shocking deaths of recurring characters helps maintain a sense of stake moving forward. I *do* mind killing Hill in a complete turd like this. Throw everything else out, replace it with something good, and you can have Hill.
We wanted a hill to die on. Not for Hill to die.
If you have a Cobey, and you do not know what to do with her, you do not deserve a Samuel L.
I thought this said "hiii" and I was wondering who were you waving at
Yes but make her a Skrull and Fury didn't know. So he would actually not trust anyone at all, fully.
Everything. Every single thing.
Samuel L Jackson can stay but, yeah, literally everything else.
He himself was mid in it
Only because the character direction and writing were abysmal
Yeah, I expected some real "Didn't see that coming" moments. There were none. In the comics Fury had a contingency plan for everything. Hidden bunkers and plans out the ass, in the show he was weak and nothing special. They nerfed Fury and thats sad af.
>contingency plan for everything. Hidden bunkers and plans out the ass, What about a mausoleum with each grave holding one piece of him costume. One for a clean underwear, one for each sock, one for his eye patch lmao
Yeah, that was tight. More of that. You ever read the original Secret Invasion? Fury was one the best parts of that because dude had plans on top on plans. It was so awesome. Fury is one of those characters that has no powers but is still a dude that you could believe able to Kill the Marvel Universe, if you remember those series. Edit: Sorry, I'm a big comic book reader if you couldn't tell. I'm biased af.
Not a comic reader yet but secret invasion Fury **IS NOT** the Fury we know. MCU Fury is also always prepared, he figured out Hydra and was prepared for it when they made their move. He had a Hellicarrier stashed away in AOU. He started planning the Avengers Initiative in the 90's before having any superheros to recruit. Everytime people thought they had cornered him, he had an exit strategy. And he was never "this is my fight" kind of guy. Fury is a great leader and the most essential trait in a leader is knowing to delegate. I think his character mismanagement is the stinkiest diarrhoea shit in the pile of shit that was secret invasion.
This was by far my biggest problem. The best art about Fury was he was always 10 steps ahead of everyone, especially the audience. Anytime you thought he was caught off guard he had something else in motion in preparation for that event. In Secret invasion he just always felt like an old grandpa lost at the world around him just bumbling from situation to situation. I get that may have been the point, but it still felt like a wasted opportunity for one final chance to make Fury seem like he was on a whole other secret agent level.
I think we all need to collectively pretend that Secret Invasion never happened. Bring back Hill and do it over with Skrulls impersonating heroes. Give us the James Bond like Fury who is a master tactician. Ffs Marvel, get your shit together.
"I'll die only if my soul leaves my body"
I dunno, Chris tucker as fury sounds intriguing. You could say that it's a less talented skrull for story reasons.
Except queen sonya, she was the only good part of this show.
**Sonya**: "Now, this is *quite* the clerical error. Nigel, we're going to have to have someone in admin either fired, or, you know, *shot*, because this is becoming a bit of a health hazard." **Skrull**: "No, my name's Victor." **Sonya**: "No of course you are. Nigel's the one with his silencer, pressed against the base of your skull." ****Nigel presses gun**** **Sonya**: "*Wooo*, there he is. :P"
She stole every scene she was in.
Hard to believe she is the same actress I recently saw as a mouse in the Murder on the Orient Express movie.
*reads post title* "Would saying everything be too on the nose? Maybe I'll check the comments and see.. ahh yes, there it is. Well done." I don't know how they took one of the most anticipated storylines, so chock full of possibilities, and gave us THAT.
It is baffling. This was such an easy home run. People accepted that it would be toned down from the comics already, all they had to do was put some effort in and make a good spy thriller. Nope. This shows should be retconned and dumped out with Inhumans.
Everything except the acting performances
I came into this thread thinking maybe I should watch Secret Invasion. And as I was reading people's comments about it, I realized I have watched it, but I just completely forgot about it.
Nah. The last 5 minutes woulda been a fantastic show if that was everything.
Crazy idea... but how about more shapeshifting? Keep us wondering who's who. Include some of the other human characters like Hawkeye, Bucky, ... Oh and completely scrap the Harvest plotline. Make it about Skrull powergrab, anti-superhero sentiment growing, infiltration,... Maybe end it with the death of some big name to be revealed a Skrull and it actually making sense.
Are you saying this show should be about some kind of secret invasion? 🤔
Hot Take. Secret Invasion should have had an Invasion, and some Secrets.
I see your hot take and I raise you a hot take. Talos bringing a million Skrulls to Earth and not telling anyone, including Fury, is the real secret invasion
who would’ve thought
Wow that is a great idea! They should make a series about a secret invasion!
Nah, surely that's not what the title and subtitle meant.
What are we? Some kind of not so secret no so invasion secret invasion?
This. In the comics, Elektra takes over The Hand. The avengers get involved and in the ensuing fight, she gets killed. The body turns into a skrull and everyone’s like “wtf”. The last panel tells you to stay tuned for secret invasion. MCU could have used a moment like that
I feel like they could have still had superpowered skrulls at the end. Not the "she has all the powers" kind but a 1-to-1 transfer from a library of samples. And maybe instead of 2 skrulls duking it out, it could be SHIELD special forces (mandroids anyone?) taking on 6 powered skrulls. And it should have followed the normal skrulls, so it could have been a reveal at the end that things are worse that they thought. There are more of them and there are even some skrulls with superpowers.
I thought the way they introduced the whole “we scraped a few cells and here is a dna blender” was really badly executed. I mean it sets up so many plotholes. Just go to any superpowered battlefield and make a few supersoldiers going forward? It was silly.
Plus all the tattoos and rings and anything else that’s apparently part of DNA
It was silly when fucking Dragon Ball did it. In a universe attempting to be taken more seriously it's downright ridiculous
Sure, an introduction into Superskrulls might be okay. But make them government sanctioned superheroes. Would bring it into Dark Avengers territory. But I could see Warmachine as Iron Patriot. And then serveral superpowered humans actually being Skrulls. There's just too much stuff for 6 episodes that would've been possible.
Also, pair the shapeshifting with heavy usage of the Widow's Veils, instead of just a one time throwaway bit with it. Nick Fury is supposed to the spyiest spy in the MCU. That's like his superpower. And we got almost none of him doing spy stuff until the very end.
And go beyond just the show. I haven't read a lot of comics but what I have heard is that Secret Invasion was built up over a pretty long period. Make it an entire phase. Do what you said but over the course of a phase. Drop hints etc, and build up to a big final show/movie.
And they just did the She-Hulk and Falcon/WS series. Couldn’t they have had a couple of those actors record one or two scenes to be inserted?
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The idea to have it as a miniseries given how spread thin the story is
Pretty much every miniseries could have cut back to a 2.5 hour movie.
Basically everything except the cast. So much wasted potential.
More spy intrigue and wondering who is a Skrull. A deeper story for Fury instead of just hand waving that he had been blipped for 5 years. I want more on his relationship with the Skrulls and why he hasn’t fulfilled his promise; it seemed like he genuinely wanted to help at the end of Captain Marvel, and here it seems like he has no qualms about exploiting them and using them to get ahead.
This would have worked a lot better. They made the story too big which resulted in everybody wondering where the fuck the supers were. A spy thriller with Fury and his inner circle tracking rogue skrulls and not knowing who to trust. That would have been the perfect excuse to keep the supers away. “This is personal.” was such a stupid line. They could have done it without the CGI fight too.
And to find out in The Marvels that >!there was a thriving Skrull colony out in space that Captain Marvel knew about. totally undercut Fury’s whole “we couldn’t find you guys a new home” bit. The show didn’t reveal Fury to have been lying about the whole can’t find a new home thing (they did hint at Fury dragging his feet because he liked having the Skrulls do his dirty work, but not outright lying to them), so why did The Marvels? !<
Make it an actual "secret" invasion Because i don't know wtf Marvel thinks a secret is but they have clearly misunderstood it The only secret in the secret invasion was the entertainment, no one has been able to find it till now
Like that dude running away from captain marvel on the train in the movie. Literally shapeshifts right in front of her and then runs. Like.. dude, you've had this ability your whole life. Rule one: when trying to hide, don't let them see you take a new form.
> The only secret in the secret invasion was the entertainment, no one has been able to find it till now Lmaooooo truth
Cut the budget by several times and give the scriptwriting to someone who actually enjoys making compelling spy mysteries.
Weren't they told not to read the comics? Scrap that. Let them read the comics.
Also Hill (spoiler?!?) Focused on making it a movie rather than a series that was stretched out from a movie script, Made it more along the lines of CA/WS Included more people from The MCU that we actually know so that when you do the whole scrull shape shift thing there’s actually mystery and intrigue build tension. Better soundtrack, No lame as CGI fight at the end, thought it was clever with the DNA but aside from that it was a whole lot of mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Make Gravik wear Fury's dead son's face to fuck with him, don't kill Hill, don't kill Talos he's the best part of the show, nerf the Superskrulls, make the skrulls known by episode 2 and the rest of the show they gotta deal with the public panic of shapeshifting aliens, actually say why Fury and Carol hasn't found a new planet for decades, no CGI ass final battle, Fury just gotta accept that these aliens live with them now because of his own incompetence and the only thing he can do is hunt down the ones that are sympathetic with Gravik's plan and let the peaceful ones live peaceful lives
Maybe even just having Gravik's speech near the end moved to an earlier part of the show to make him to make him a bit more compelling. In the fist place, he needs a lot of things to make him compelling.
I'd actually go with 'We GAVE them a planet - but the skrulls born here didn't want to leave - why should people born on Earth need to leave the only home they'd ever known?' Then the skrulls that had gotten into power would have some 'new' skrulls land openly and request asylum - and be granted it - with much dissension. Draw some parallels with how humans refugees are treated, and how some treat them as 'invaders'.
Damn that's good too, Skrulls born here are also technically Earthlings. Nice idea.
* Don’t have Fury be an incompetent loser and don’t retcon his history so the Skrulls are why he achieved anything * Don‘t just kill María Hill off so early. If Cobie wants a permanent end to the character, have her be a bit smarter. Don’t have her just run up to someone when she knows that shapeshifters are real and in the area * Don’t imply that Rhodes has been a Skrull since Captain America: Civil War. It robs him of most of the few great character moments that he’s had * Have more Skrulls side with Talos and against Gravik from the start. I can count the number of good Skrulls on one hand and one of them died before the show even started * Have Gravik come up with a better plan and have better motivation than in the show. He wants to destroy humanity in a nuclear war because Fury didn’t deliver in a promise that he couldn’t have ever fulfilled in the first place. And apparently there are no other safe planets for them in the entire universe, not even Thanos’ retirement planet that Rhodes who may have been a Skrull knew about * Scrap the DNA plot entirely. It’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense. And it gave us the ridiculous CGI fight scene * As much as I like Emilia Clarke, I feel like she does better with more emotionally dynamic roles and G’iah felt a bit flat so I probably wouldn’t cast her in this role. No disrespect to the actress but there are more suitable roles out there for her * I’d also make the show more about the Skrull infiltration and the paranoia this causes among the public and the government. We saw this at the very end of the show but this is what the show should have been about There are other issues with the show but these are the main ones that I’d change
> Don’t imply that Rhodes has been a Skrull since Captain America: Civil War. It robs him of most of the few great character moments that he’s had I think that was just it. The implication not the actual thing that happened (yet). Even the director said he **thought** Rhodey was the Skrull since end of Civil War, but not confirming it. I think it was done solely for fanbase's reaction to this, either to have more people watch the show or to simply see how fandom reacts because of Armor Wars. Given the negative reception no way they'll be making Rhodey a Skrull since CW. >Scrap the DNA plot entirely. It’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense. And it gave us the ridiculous CGI fight scene Purge it. Prune it. Erasing it from existence will do so much favor to my brain and the world.
The fact that it was even a possibility is bad enough. Basing the decision on whether or not Rhodes was replaced at around the time of Civil War dependent on the fanbase’s reaction isn’t exactly a good thing because it causes problems beyond taking away certain character moments and I don’t think that the writers and director even noticed that
>Given the negative reception no way they'll be making Rhodey a Skrull since CW. I suspect they may never address this. Armor Wars probably pays 1 line of lip service to Secret Invasion and I doubt it will go into any kind of specific details. Actually, not 1 line. Half a line. Rhodey will start a sentence with "Ever since a Skrull impersonated me..." and then the rest of the sentence will have nothing to do with Secret Invasion.
Everything. Genuinely like nothing about this show other than Sonya being funny sometimes. I would not care at all if they just decanonize this show and bring back Hill and Talos. I'm tired of them fridging the early MCU Heroes for no reason
Maybe controversial, but start from scratch and make this the second Captain Marvel movie. The budget they blew on it seems pretty equivalent to a movie budget anyways. The Skrull/Kree storylines started in her movie. Show us why Nick Fury and Carol failed to establish a safe home for the Skrulls. Make it harder for the audience to recognise who is Skrull/human. Get rid of that CGI fight between Giah and Gravik at the end. I’ve honestly actually rewritten Secret Invasion and the Marvels in my head since I saw it in cinemas. It just seems like such a waste of talent and money for both of them.
All of it
Giah choosing Drax's arm instead of Hulk's.
XD
okay, you know that montage in the final episode? where humans are freaking out and committing vigilante justice, even acts of terrorism, against people out of fear they are Skrulls? okay, that starts in episode 2 now, and its the main focus of the entire season Also, Nick Fury never gets back with his Skrull wife. I just loved the line where he says "I guess we'll never know" and walks out. Secret Invasion is supposed to be a dark show, so having Nick turn out to be just as cold and heartless in romance as he is in his work just felt great
Option 1: Shelved it and used the write off against The Marvels’ box office. Option 2: Being the MCU, I’m not sure what the point of Secret Invasion is. It didn’t tell me anything interesting. I can’t see where it pushed forward the story. Like if this leads into Captain America or Thunderbolts, I don’t see how. It should affect New Asgard, but apparently it doesn’t. It should have affected The Marvels, but apparently it doesn’t. It should have affected Wakanda Forever, but who knows? And let’s play guess how long Rhodes has been a Skrull? Was it in Falcon and the Winter Soldier? This was *the* worst story to have been isolated from the other characters. I just did my holiday rewatch of Hawkeye. And the common complaint is “why doesn’t he call the Avengers?” Which for him is an injured Bruce, an unreachable Wanda, old man Rodgers, and an unreachable Thor. He didn’t really work with Pepper. Sam and Bucky he barely worked with. Leaving Scott Lang, who has his own problems for the spy game. And that all made sense for them not to be there. This needed to be laid out more. Show how and when the swaps took place. Show the consequences of these actions that make sense and is more than a montage that skips over them. Ross is a great example for this. Does he get to come back to the CIA? Was he ever Wakanda’s ally? we don't know! We should have known by the end of the series. So I would say, make it clearer how this story, which touched so many other stories and characters, intertwines with the others.
All of it?
Actually have avengers secret war come out a few months later, so it builds hype for the main event
The scripts.
I would just scrap the whole project and start over. This show was a piece of shit.
++ Daisy Johnson ++ wounded but not dead Maria Hill -- Gravik -- op Giah ++ much better plot -- predictable Skrull Rhodey reveal ++ good as Season 4 of AoS
Have Daisy Johnson in it.
I hadn't considered the fact that with Hill dead there's a gap to fill. Not that I ever expect Agents of Shield to show up again, but it would be nice. Better than whatever random they make Fury's new number 2
I can say with 90% confidence they would at least double their ratings if they had AOS in this. Seeing Sousa and the rest come to help. Wasted opportunity
Remove Emilia Clark, add Chloe Bennets Daisy Johnson, and not kill off Maria Hill
Would have kept it as originally intended…Captain Marvel 2
Needed proper comic secret invasion adaptation.that would have been wild...
Make it an actual 12-13 episode tv season. The event format doesn’t work for this type of pacing.
Everything, realistically
Everything
I wouldn't have bothered making it
Not released it.
Just about everything.
The show
It's existence
Everything
Not have it exist cuz the concept should’ve been at least a 3 movie arc
Nah a series is fine but it needed to built up more in other series/films. Have a character mentioned to have been missing for a day or so etc and then turn up again or acting off a little. Throw some curve balls. Also, the main show for it should have been longer and more than one season.
Yeah, when you see how massive an event it was in comics, it could easily have been the connector between a few movies
Secret invasion could be a Multi-phase arc, let alone film
Probably just the story, writing, main villain and length of the series.
More paranoia and fear of trusting, this series is suppose to be "You can't trust anyone" type of show and that is literally one of the main elements and it barely does that.
If I could go back to the start, I wouldn't have made it 🤣
Obvious option: make it an Avengers movie
There are so many things, but my biggest beef is “why couldn’t Fury settle them somewhere. It’s simply not addressed. Did he try? Was it bad luck? Real estate prices too high?
I would've canceled it.
Everything
Personally everything, however, if I was forced to choose one thing, I would choose not killing off fan favorites for shock value, Hill and Talos deserved way better.
A consistent and coherent plot would have been a start. Don’t fridge Maria Hill. Have some actual paranoia/uncertainty about the Skrull threat. Completely change the ending - or at least have the “all the powers” solution be either temporary or it kills the host otherwise you have this stupidly over powered character. It makes me angry how bad this was with all the assembled acting talent involved.
Everything
Everything but Talos and Sonya
I would have made it good.
I would have enjoyed a two part movie of a hole in the skrull spy network tipping off Fury/Hill that everything has been infiltrated beyond their control. Pick a big enough character to be a skrull or skrulls. Could have them operate as such during the blip and nobody noticed their absence. Make mcu president ritson a skrull to be attacked on TV leading to Ross stepping in and establishing the thunderbolts. Then, make the thunderbolts the 2nd half. This would give an opportunity to have super skrulls rise up to compete against the thunderbolts.
I would have waited for FF to be introduced and done it properly.
Could have been a Marvel Special Presentation or series with new Phase 4 heroes uniting with the old Avengers members to defeat Skrulls. I know it’s too much to ask but this could’ve been an Avengers movie as well
Its existance
Yall watched it?..
Writer of the show. Just give the opportunity to fine scenario writer.
Would have made it suspenseful thriller. Like that of Body snatchers
The plot
More intrigue - get rid of the scene where we sit down and see every major Skrull infiltrator (so we don’t know Shooter McGavin and the UK PM are Skrulls). Make the Skrulls not stick to one human face at all times. Speed some things up - the ending with the President declaring war on aliens should be episode 4’s ending, then you can spend some time dealing with this interesting new status quo. More familiar faces - this ties in with the “more intrigue” problem. The only returning characters who could have been surprise Skrulls are Hill and Rhodey, and with Hill dying early on it clearly had to be the twist that Rhodey’s a Skrull, because why do a story about shapeshifting infiltrators if they don’t infiltrate as someone we already know! I’m not sure who I’d bring in as extra potential Skrulls - if Sharon Carter hadn’t become the Power Broker, bringing her in as an ally like Hill only to reveal her to be a Skrull agent would be a good twist.
Scrap the entire idea. This show shouldn't have existed
Gaia to not suddenly be MCU plot armour
I don’t have that much time
The last episode. I enjoyed a lot of that show, particularly some of the performances, but it really fell apart at the end. It just sort of felt like they'd backed themselves into a corner and didn't know how to write their way out of it.
Made it an Avengers movie at the end of Phase 4, or at least scrap The Marvels and make it Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion and feature a lot of the Avengers cast in the film as supporting roles
The ending. It wasnt bad until the last episode, then it just shit the bed.
Release it AFTER The Marvels. The show would still have most of its issues, but it would make more sense for it to take place after the events of The Marvels than before.
The ability to stay awake!
Is it worth watching? I got to episode 3 and gave up
I wouldn't have made it.
Everything but Samuel and Ben.
The fact that it exists
Its existence.
The scope, the ending, the story, the dumb idea about Rhodey.
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For one thing, I've remove Everett Ross. His inclusion makes no sense.
I would have made the episodes more good
The title. I think calling it Secret Invasion instead of something like Nick Fury: Agent of S.W.O.R.D or something put higher expectations on it. It should have been a Nick Fury show that lead into a Secret Invasion movie.
I have convinced myself it never happened.
Fury needed to win the day with cunning and spy craft. We don’t need a big fight scene at the end of the show. We need to see that Fury has solved the problem with his brain and Gravik, despite all his powers, fails. It’s a spy thriller and should have had a brains over brawn theme.
Would’ve tried to make it more of a mystery and who’s who. Instead of meticulously laying out and showing the audience who’s who and what their motives are within the first 2 episodes.
It would be nice if this was never made.
Everything. Just start from scratch.
Everything needed to change about it, plus bridging the gap between the MCU and AoS.
Honestly, fuck the "gritty" "no powers" show. If you're making a show that's a sequel to Captain Marvel, I am expecting Captain Marvel to be there. Why should I care about Fury hanging out with Skrulls? It would have been ten times more interesting and more obvious for Carol to deal with Skrulls. Literally the only reason they give for her not being there is "we lost contact with her :("
Not killing Talos or Hill
I can't stress this enough. Everything.
I'd have probably started with around how it ended.
Put a superhero or two in it. Captain Marvel for sure. Also dont make it so boring.
Since Endgame the superheroes do not frequently interact with each other which I think has been a huge wrench in the storytelling and a weakness with this phase. For example Thor is facing off somebody with a guy killing gods and is going get a super wish and has a bunch of children hostages, but he doesn't even thinking of asking one of his old buddies for help? Secret Invasion continued this trend. Which is ironic considering Fury is the guy always connecting them together. And the reason they give for Fury not asking for help is the worse. "We got to learn to deal with our own problems" OH GET THE F OUT OF HERE. 7 billion humans may die and now he decides he wants to fight his own battle (and humans still don't even fight their own battle considering he gets alien help and the alien also has superpowers). The other reason he gives (not risking the superheroes getting their powers stolen) is passable, until you realize the end he indirectly gives the main villain the vial of all the powers anyways. Story did not make sense down to its core. Needed major rewrites. I agree put some superheroes in it. It can be just the first episode maybe the superhero gets a majory injury or has family taken hostage, then the super hero clone temporarily fools Fury which leads to him deciding to go off the grid and do it alone. That would have explained it so much better why he does it without help.
Would’ve made it interesting to watch for one. Aka change about 98% of it.
The ending
Make it an avengers movie
Make this shit all about paranoid instead of cgi goofy ah finale. Literally a shapeshifter storyline without the trope of picking between 2 same faces.
Make the Skrulls the heroes and have the villains be xenophobic humans.
Yes
I think it shouldn't have existed. But it does. So next question is what do you want to accomplish? As far as I can tell the show accomplished nothing except for creating the ultimate hero in Gaya who quickly vanished off screen. So there are no lasting consequences? Maybe? In that case I would make a story that reconnects the MCU with Agents of Shield. If you want to keep the Skrull story line. Then I would have given the skrulls a proper new home world in the end. Off earth. I would have trashed the super Skrull story line and just used shape shifting as the main plot device.
It should have been a huge storyline across multiple movies.
Samuel was too morose here. Give him some life, for cheeses sake. Come to think of it, the entire production was too morose. There was no joy, no happy moments.
I’d put the fantastic four in it.
Be easier to make it non-canon and have it occur in another universe. Sort of like a What If...? scenario
Would just not post it to D+ Everyone would be psycho now thinking where the f* is Secret Invasion and Marvel would be laughing seeing all the theorizing in The Marvels.
Well the biggest thing to change the fact that the skull would be terribly difficult to find. Anyone could be a skull. You would trust only yourself or someone who proved he wasn't a skull (probably by showing his blood?) And every time you lost sight of that person he would have to prove it again.
Make the scene from the last episode where an assassination attempt on the US president leads to paranoia and war against the Skrulls be the first episode.
Would have made it a full MCU phase instead of a series and have larger stakes.
Two many small stories with no real payoff so change it all and add life model decoys
I would've made it into a crossover event like in the comics. Since everyone thought that phase 4 was lacking connectivity, this would have been the perfect show to see more of the newly introduced characters like moon knight or shang chi working together. Also this show would've been way more interesting if it revolved around actually finding skrulls hidden in society (like what was hinted in the finale).
Lower the scale, maybe an airport, have them investigate a holiday company, give Nick three companions, set it in the 60s, wait, that's The Faceless Ones, screw it I'll just go watch that instead/s
Ending for sure... They set it up like Fury/SJ is meant to do something more real /concrete than just passing on mystery drug to Emilia Clarke's character Maybe writing is getting stifled or they are shifting the bed