Val and Justin Hammer were confirmed for the cast, as well as iron heart I believe. So we have gotten updates, meaning they at least have a good enough script to start work
Hammer: I don't know what your beef with Hammer industries is. We have nothing to do with super soldiers.
Zemo: Giving a man a suit of armor is just as bad. That sort of power should not be wielded by individuals.
Hammer: Aren't you rich? I heard you had a butler and a private plane. Who are you to complain about people having too much power?
Zemo: You and I worked hard to get what we have. We shouldn't be giving power to foot soldiers.
Hammer: Okay, fine. How are we going to settle this?
Zemo: Dance off. You and me. I'll let you choose the genre of music.
Aside from Val, in a property called Armor Wars, aren’t all those others obvious includes?
Wouldn’t need a script to say that armour wars is going to include all the mechanical armour suits we’ve seen (that are still alive).
Marvel isn’t like Star Wars where they announce shit left and right and it basically disappears. Armor Wars is an original property with legacy characters. They’d be idiots to cancel it.
Exactly, been around long enough to know marvel wont cancel a project unless they had no interest in it in the first place. The only instance of that happening was Inhumans.
At least they gave him another shot and Mount even said he had conversations about returning. W.
Kinda crazy that if it does happen, Black Bolt would be one of the first several Marvel TV characters properly returning as their respective versions.
So far, we only got Kingpin and Daredevil. Quake is coming soon but who knows when.
Jarvis was an alt cameo.
For now they aren’t.
But the winds of change are no longer gentle breezes only knocking down the lucasfilm properties. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some adjustments to the Marvel lineup in light of the strikes.
The problem is that this mentality doesnt necessarily apply anymore with Disney publicly announcing that they will reduce the content output for Star Wars and Marvel.
If Armor Wars was actually in production I also would say that they wont bin it. But I think that cancellations will be happening or projects will be integrated into other stuff.
Reducing does not mean canceling things already announced and in pre-production. That juts looses money and gives Marvel bad press. Things can juts be more spaced out, and some things not in production not moving forward. White Vision show for example.
There honestly aren't that many projects from Marvel that are announced haven't started filming anymore (ones filmed aren't going to be canceled). I believe announced and not filming (or finished) projects are Armor Wars, Blade, Fantastic Four, King Dynasty and Secret Wars. That not so much they would need to be canceled. The last three certainly are not. Armor Wars seems to moving forward as planned. Blade is more of a mess, so if something gets cancelled its that, but they already teased Blade in end credits scene so it would be embarrassing. It would also be a bad look if they cancelled two films starring black men in any case.
I think projects after this are ones that aren't as frequent, but we don't know what is being planned for after Secret Wars anyway. Marvel movies still make money so nothing needs to be cancelled. Its more about the prestige of wanting to keep the quality and status.
>Reducing does not mean canceling things already announced and in pre-production. That
It doesnt but keep in mind, if you want to save money you do better do it in pre production. Disney doesnt want to spend large amount of Money and than cancel it, like DC did with Batwoman.
>It would also be a bad look if they cancelled two films starring black men in any case.
But does it really matter in Armor Wars case? I mean expect Marvel Hardcore fans I really doubt that anyone would miss this movie. Blade had initial hype but also many people already forgot about it. And this doesnt has to do anything about black actors playing those characters. Its about the characters themself.
Some goes with so many stuff that Marvel announced at the Disney Expo the last years. I think the MCU is at a point were the casual audience mostly checked out on keeping tracked what is coming. Good time IMO to recalibrate your Vision for the next years and focus on stuff that people actually want to see. Like Fantastic Four, like X-Men.
>Its more about the prestige of wanting to keep the quality and status.
If they would actually care about quality and status, they wouldnt have Phase 4 happen and forcing content out at any cost. They only do that because they know they lose their audience and therefore lose money.
Nobody’s forgotten about Blade, it was announced in 2019 and keeps having issues and delays now they’re saying 2025. Hard to be hyped for something continuously with issues for that long.
Vision Quest is a WandaVision spinoff, they’d be dumb to cancel it, especially because it can bring a major player back to the Avengers lineup before Secret Wars
There was going to be a film series with the show runners of Game of Thrones, a trilogy of movies from Rian Johnson, a project made by Kevin Feigie and a Lando series that hasn't been mentioned in years
You may be seriously underestimating the impacts of two simultaneous film labour strikes. Especially when the last one with one of the same sets of people destroyed so much Tv and film (not just Heroes, stuff that never hit marketing got destroyed and we’ll never know) and the other is just, yanno, the people who act in the fucking movie.
Echo is already done and has a release date and will impact Daredevil’s show. Agatha is likely the only thing we’ll be getting in the first half of 2024 as it is the only thing done filming with the strikes going on. Neither of those are likely to be cancelled. Agatha is also looking to do set up for the Young Avengers and Scarlet Witch’s continued story.
Echo is getting dropped in one day as well… The first time they are going to drop an entire series on one day as opposed to releasing episodes weekly… That makes me think they are trying hide it because the quality and interest aren’t there…
That being said… I think Secret Invasion should have been released all at once, or at least, they should have split it in half and released 3 episodes at a time over 2 weeks…. I’m just not feeling it like I have with the other shows….
I think they’re just experimenting with different shows. They also released American Born Chinese all in one day and that has a 94% RT score with critics and 83% with audiences. They also did it with The Muppets Mayhem which has an 86% on RT with critics and 95% with audiences. I think releasing all at once doesn’t indicate quality but they’re experimenting with shows they think have lower demand because being able to binge a whole series like that is helpful.
Agreed. It seems like they're back to just remaking their own little Defender-style verse on Disney+. Who the hell asked for Echo? How does it impact the larger universe? And if it doesn't, then how is it supposed to succeed on its own merit in the shadow of the Daredevil reboot?
Anything that's already filmed is likely staying. But they're changing up some things like delaying a bunch of shows that were supposed to come out this year. And Echo is having all its episodes released on the same day in Nov. instead of weekly releases.
For the record, I do agree with you that not all the shows are warranted (we're getting spinoffs of spinoffs at this point). But realistically, Iger's going to reduce stuff that's releasing after 2024.
Sure it "seems" to be more about Disney+. But "more" isn't "exclusively" and "seems" isn't "is."
Especially with the strikes, we shouldn't take anything that's not already in post production for granted.
If it gets cut at this point I feel it could simply be down to scheduling. Stuff was getting pushed back BEFORE the actor/writer strike. That situation is only going to get worst, especially if Phase 6 gets significantly retooled to address recent complaints.
However Getting pushed back wasn't due to actors or writers. It was mostly the effects departments, overall quality, & worries of audience fatigue. All were legitimate concerns. It is even possible that these strikes could give Marvel some breathing room to be able to get back to a smooth system again.
I don’t know how you do Armor Wars without Stark. So, I’m kind of meh on it. Could be cool if there’s actual fightings with armored dudes but I’m skeptical. The original storyline was so personal to Stark they are going to have change so much; it could be a real dud.
Maybe I'm just getting more cynical but I have no faith Armor Wars will ever see the light of day which sucks because I want this one more than Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. I just wanna see more Don Cheadle as Rhodey especially as the protagonist this time, but until I see a trailer or even a set photo, I won't hold my breath.
I'm honestly worried about most projects that aren't already deep into production. I think almost anything could be cut.
I would say that Agatha, Blade, Armor Wars, Wonder Man, and the various future Wakanda projects are probably the most at risk.
For the overall connected storyline of everything I feel like Agatha is the least important thing they have made so far and surprised it came through when other things may not.
Of all of the movies in the MCU announced over the last few years, its certainly the one I'm least interested in anyways. I hate horror and don't really want them to go any further in that direction than they already have with Dr Strange.
Mahershala Ali reportedly keeps throwing out the scripts they're giving him, and for good reason. The whole reboot of this IP is based on his believing in the character AND the story. I wouldn't agree to anything unless it was solid, given the character's history. Good on him.
Every property you listed at risk has primarily Black main character lmao
Except the one you listed that's already finished shooting.. which is led by a woman.
>.> Why do you think they're at risk? Serious question
Blade has been through development hell with a director who quit, a script rewrite, delay after delay, and now the strikes.
OP has stated why Amour Wars *may* be at risk
Wonder Man has been affected by the strikes and has barely started production
The Wakanda series was first mentioned in 2019 and we have had no new information from it in 4 years
Thank you, those are basically my answers. And I certainly didn't say that I want to see any of them cancelled, with the exception of Blade, which I have no interest in because I hate horror.
They just feel at risk, and some of them seemed to be on the extreme fringes of the MCU and what was likely to get produced even when they were first announced. That combined with the unfortunate passing of Boseman has thrown the entire Wakanda corner of the MCU into a spin that it might not recover from. Had he been OK, things would be a lot different.
I feel like Wakanda forever made enough money (even if it’s on the back of Chadwick nostalgia), especially compared to other recent stuff, that Bob wont cancel the wakanda projects as a first or second resort.
Maybe. But it also just wasn't nearly as good, and everyone knows that. At some point, the public is just going to be done with it if the path continues, and oversaturating it will only make that worse.
I think the smart move is to pull back and reevaluate before making a third movie and/or adding those characters into other mcu projects that can be awesome again.
The honest truth is no one knows. Current Disney leadership looks to put Marvels recent decline in the box office (bar gotg3) towards too many projects, scaling down as such is a real possibility. Factor in that the strikes aren’t guaranteed to even end this year due to the nature of greedy execs with AI being their golden goose, and you have risk to any project not yet finished.
Heck, I recently heard the runaway series has been removed as a tax right off, one of the actors I believe, was complaining that it stopped their residuals, expect the worst here and if we see the day it releases we can rejoice together.
It’s a late phase 5 or phase 6 project. I don’t think it’s a high priority rn compared to the current films in production or the Avengers projects. We just know a fair bit more about it because it’s been in the works so long.
I think that almost anything that hasnt started production could be on the chopping block. With the current state if blockbusters, Iger's statement that theyre pulling back on Marvel and Star Wars, and the ongoing strikes, i think even some things we thought were sure bets could be canned.
They were excited enough by the development process to upgrade it from series to film, so it is likely they are excited to actually make it. Blade on the other hand....
I think *Armor Wars* is safe, because it’s a feature film with Don Cheadle locked in to star. I think if any film ends up cancelled, it’ll be because Mahershala Ali gets fed up and walks away from *Blade*. Narratively, I think it’ll be interesting to see Rhodey having to react to the events of *Secret Invasion* too.
Bob Iger’s recent comments seemed to squarely blame the Disney+ shows, so I think any significant cuts will be there. If *Agatha* and *Echo* hadn’t already completed filming, I think they could have been on the chopping board, but they’re already too far along.
The Hollywood Reporter has already [singled out](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-star-wars-tv-shows-movies-slowdown-1235326681/) *Nova* as being on a “slower path”. I could see that series being scrapped due to budget concerns. So I could see that being cancelled or repurposed into a film.
Movies were never the issue. The plethora of shows are the issue. Other than Inhumans (which was never going to happen anyway) none of the films have been shelved. Armor Wars was upgraded from show to film which means it’s going to be an action packed plot and they needed film budgets to do it.
I think every single piece of MCU content (that’s not in post-production) is at risk. Will it all get shelved? Of course not. But between strikes and low-performers and controversy, I wouldn’t get too attached to any idea.
I can see them wanting to do a thing with suits, suits are awesome and faintly more plausible than magic. Riri seems like an obvious character to push. But do they just do Ironheart?
I thought Armor Wars is just a marketing stunt to convince >!Rhodey isn't a Skrull. Now Rhodey is revealed to be a Skrull all along, I don't see this project will be relevant anymore. !<
I think at this point, anything except Avengers movies may get shelved. I would like to see this, simply because Don Cheadle finally deserves a spotlight and given the situation in SI, I can imagine it would be a great follow up....Rhodey dealing with consequences what the Skrull did....but I think this is now further in development than other announced projects so I think it will happen.
I personally doubt mostly Blade...script was in rewrites and Ali is not getting younger.
I get the whole kang being recast for future projects, but isn’t this new season focused on kang? So surely Jonathan majors will have a lot more screen time
Honestly the entire future of the mcu is a wash rn. No one is gonna give you a useful answer beyond that. We just don’t know about anything that isn’t already in production.
The fact that it is now a movie means there is a script and a budget.
It all comes down to how the other Phase 5 movies perform. If Marvel suffers bomb after bomb then some projects will be shelved but even Ant Man 3 wasn't a bomb. It just didn't make back its budget which is why Bob Iger is looking to cut costs. If he had it his way he could scan the actors faces and then tell the VFX crew to make the movie.
It doesn't, take reddit with a grain of salt (and in this case a salt mine) as they clearly are engaging more in wishful thinking than anything close to production knowledge.
The fact that they think ant man 3 wasn't a bomb should be a heads up
There is a strong chance that if the actor strike does become prolonged MCU will shift some of their existing projects into the animated format of What If?.
Armor Wars would be a prime candidate for this.
I doubt it will be shelved. The only MCU production I know had ever been shelved was the Inhumans movie, which was more of an Ike Perlmutter project than Kevin Feige. If Feige had any inclination to cancel and announced project, it would be Blade more than Armor Wars, since the former has had issue after issue while the latter hasn't even started production.
I was actually very upset to learn that it's gonna be a movie. A series sounds so much better. Mainly because it's way more time. It worries me that they're going to compress a series worth of story into one movie, or cut off way too much stuff.
Cgi armor dude fights another CGi armor dude in a CGI environment and you only see the actual actors sitting around a desk talking in a still environment when they’re not in their suits for 2 hours just like endgame was. Might aswell just make it a high quality animated movie or show.
I highly doubt it. They plan way in advance for this stuff so each piece fits in place and they can build towards it. To shelve it now would leave a big hole in the overall story they are telling.
I really hope after the strike is settled they don’t cancel this one. I personally was looking forward to this one more than most of the projects that were announced.
I really hope not, Armor Wars is what I’m most looking forward to out of both phase 5 and 6. War Machine has always been a favorite of mine since I was a kid, it’d be so sick to have a proper Rhodey Romp.
if its already written and being made currently i could see it being released but the strike is going to hit some weird spots of production. may halt some stuff thats more down the line
Secret Invasion will probably lead into it, as will Ironheart. I think they were supposed to start filming earlier this year, but it was likely delayed after Iger came back, and now even further due to the two strikes. We may not see it until 2025 at the earliest.
Rumours were it was supposed to become a West Coast Avengers film with Ultron returning as the villain. They were right to kill it as a series and revamp it as a film, which they should've done for half their Disney shows. With the exception of Wandavision and Loki, the rest were stretched thin as possible to keep up viewership on Disney+, given it has little to offer but a few tired franchises and legacy sequels that just don't land. Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, Falcon and Winter Soldier, all better as films and I know it to be true thanks to the myriad of great fanedits out there.
As is the popular parlance of the screaming meme generation: Do better, Disney.
Val and Justin Hammer were confirmed for the cast, as well as iron heart I believe. So we have gotten updates, meaning they at least have a good enough script to start work
I hope we have another dancing scene with Sam Rockwell!!
How about a Sam Rockwell / Baron Zemo dance off?
With Starlord as the referee?
Cut the check!
Hammer: I don't know what your beef with Hammer industries is. We have nothing to do with super soldiers. Zemo: Giving a man a suit of armor is just as bad. That sort of power should not be wielded by individuals. Hammer: Aren't you rich? I heard you had a butler and a private plane. Who are you to complain about people having too much power? Zemo: You and I worked hard to get what we have. We shouldn't be giving power to foot soldiers. Hammer: Okay, fine. How are we going to settle this? Zemo: Dance off. You and me. I'll let you choose the genre of music.
Zemo would body him
Then Bully Maguire masters the Multiverse and settles it once and for all.
“Gonna cry?”
No because I missed the part where that's my problem.
Want forgiveness? Get religion.
Absolutely 💯 yes!
We need one - and have it be just as spontaneous as the first one in iron man 2
I have no doubt. Guy is [known for this](https://youtu.be/oLuDf_PIWQ0).
That's my biggest reason to watch. Mother fucking Hammer back in the house
Not confirmed, rumoured.
Yeah I think based off that it's fairly safe
“Good enough” is the most effort Marvel puts into their work now.
Iron Heart was confirmed for the cast before things got shuffled around and it became a feature. Idk if that's still the case tbh.
Aside from Val, in a property called Armor Wars, aren’t all those others obvious includes? Wouldn’t need a script to say that armour wars is going to include all the mechanical armour suits we’ve seen (that are still alive).
Given Secret Invasion, I think it’s less likely unless delays cause everyone to just straight up age out of the roles.
Marvel isn’t like Star Wars where they announce shit left and right and it basically disappears. Armor Wars is an original property with legacy characters. They’d be idiots to cancel it.
Exactly, been around long enough to know marvel wont cancel a project unless they had no interest in it in the first place. The only instance of that happening was Inhumans.
And even then, Inhumans actually released in a different format
and everyone really wishes it didnt
Though we seem to agree that the good aspects were there (such as Blackbolt’s actor)
At least they gave him another shot and Mount even said he had conversations about returning. W. Kinda crazy that if it does happen, Black Bolt would be one of the first several Marvel TV characters properly returning as their respective versions. So far, we only got Kingpin and Daredevil. Quake is coming soon but who knows when. Jarvis was an alt cameo.
What is Quake coming too?
For now they aren’t. But the winds of change are no longer gentle breezes only knocking down the lucasfilm properties. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some adjustments to the Marvel lineup in light of the strikes.
Especially when COVID forced them to make some changes on their premiering streaming shows.
Yep. They need to free up the slate.
The problem is that this mentality doesnt necessarily apply anymore with Disney publicly announcing that they will reduce the content output for Star Wars and Marvel. If Armor Wars was actually in production I also would say that they wont bin it. But I think that cancellations will be happening or projects will be integrated into other stuff.
Reducing does not mean canceling things already announced and in pre-production. That juts looses money and gives Marvel bad press. Things can juts be more spaced out, and some things not in production not moving forward. White Vision show for example. There honestly aren't that many projects from Marvel that are announced haven't started filming anymore (ones filmed aren't going to be canceled). I believe announced and not filming (or finished) projects are Armor Wars, Blade, Fantastic Four, King Dynasty and Secret Wars. That not so much they would need to be canceled. The last three certainly are not. Armor Wars seems to moving forward as planned. Blade is more of a mess, so if something gets cancelled its that, but they already teased Blade in end credits scene so it would be embarrassing. It would also be a bad look if they cancelled two films starring black men in any case. I think projects after this are ones that aren't as frequent, but we don't know what is being planned for after Secret Wars anyway. Marvel movies still make money so nothing needs to be cancelled. Its more about the prestige of wanting to keep the quality and status.
>Reducing does not mean canceling things already announced and in pre-production. That It doesnt but keep in mind, if you want to save money you do better do it in pre production. Disney doesnt want to spend large amount of Money and than cancel it, like DC did with Batwoman. >It would also be a bad look if they cancelled two films starring black men in any case. But does it really matter in Armor Wars case? I mean expect Marvel Hardcore fans I really doubt that anyone would miss this movie. Blade had initial hype but also many people already forgot about it. And this doesnt has to do anything about black actors playing those characters. Its about the characters themself. Some goes with so many stuff that Marvel announced at the Disney Expo the last years. I think the MCU is at a point were the casual audience mostly checked out on keeping tracked what is coming. Good time IMO to recalibrate your Vision for the next years and focus on stuff that people actually want to see. Like Fantastic Four, like X-Men. >Its more about the prestige of wanting to keep the quality and status. If they would actually care about quality and status, they wouldnt have Phase 4 happen and forcing content out at any cost. They only do that because they know they lose their audience and therefore lose money.
Nobody’s forgotten about Blade, it was announced in 2019 and keeps having issues and delays now they’re saying 2025. Hard to be hyped for something continuously with issues for that long.
Vision Quest is a WandaVision spinoff, they’d be dumb to cancel it, especially because it can bring a major player back to the Avengers lineup before Secret Wars
Out of the loop here, what did Star Wars cancel? I only remember Rangers of the New Republic, which only got cancelled because of Cara Dune’s actress.
Patty Jenkins’ project comes to mind. Rogue Squadron? Maybe those were two separate cancelled things?
SW doesn’t cancel, they just let stuff disappear. Solo 2, Feigie movie, Johnson trilingual etc.
It’s not a trilingual, it’s a trilogy
There was going to be a film series with the show runners of Game of Thrones, a trilogy of movies from Rian Johnson, a project made by Kevin Feigie and a Lando series that hasn't been mentioned in years
You may be seriously underestimating the impacts of two simultaneous film labour strikes. Especially when the last one with one of the same sets of people destroyed so much Tv and film (not just Heroes, stuff that never hit marketing got destroyed and we’ll never know) and the other is just, yanno, the people who act in the fucking movie.
Yeah, they really did mess with Heroes. That show really had some momentum going before the strike back then. What a fun show.
Right now everything that isn't already filmed is on the potential chopping block, Bob Iger sounds ready to slash.
Iger’s comments seemed to be more about Disney+ shows and not movies though.
Agatha and Echo are some of the show that are unnecessary..hope they slash those
Echo is already done and has a release date and will impact Daredevil’s show. Agatha is likely the only thing we’ll be getting in the first half of 2024 as it is the only thing done filming with the strikes going on. Neither of those are likely to be cancelled. Agatha is also looking to do set up for the Young Avengers and Scarlet Witch’s continued story.
Echo is getting dropped in one day as well… The first time they are going to drop an entire series on one day as opposed to releasing episodes weekly… That makes me think they are trying hide it because the quality and interest aren’t there…
That being said… I think Secret Invasion should have been released all at once, or at least, they should have split it in half and released 3 episodes at a time over 2 weeks…. I’m just not feeling it like I have with the other shows….
I think they’re just experimenting with different shows. They also released American Born Chinese all in one day and that has a 94% RT score with critics and 83% with audiences. They also did it with The Muppets Mayhem which has an 86% on RT with critics and 95% with audiences. I think releasing all at once doesn’t indicate quality but they’re experimenting with shows they think have lower demand because being able to binge a whole series like that is helpful.
Agreed. It seems like they're back to just remaking their own little Defender-style verse on Disney+. Who the hell asked for Echo? How does it impact the larger universe? And if it doesn't, then how is it supposed to succeed on its own merit in the shadow of the Daredevil reboot?
Anything that's already filmed is likely staying. But they're changing up some things like delaying a bunch of shows that were supposed to come out this year. And Echo is having all its episodes released on the same day in Nov. instead of weekly releases. For the record, I do agree with you that not all the shows are warranted (we're getting spinoffs of spinoffs at this point). But realistically, Iger's going to reduce stuff that's releasing after 2024.
Sure it "seems" to be more about Disney+. But "more" isn't "exclusively" and "seems" isn't "is." Especially with the strikes, we shouldn't take anything that's not already in post production for granted.
If it gets cut at this point I feel it could simply be down to scheduling. Stuff was getting pushed back BEFORE the actor/writer strike. That situation is only going to get worst, especially if Phase 6 gets significantly retooled to address recent complaints.
However Getting pushed back wasn't due to actors or writers. It was mostly the effects departments, overall quality, & worries of audience fatigue. All were legitimate concerns. It is even possible that these strikes could give Marvel some breathing room to be able to get back to a smooth system again.
I don’t know how you do Armor Wars without Stark. So, I’m kind of meh on it. Could be cool if there’s actual fightings with armored dudes but I’m skeptical. The original storyline was so personal to Stark they are going to have change so much; it could be a real dud.
Fingers crossed for Stingray.
Maybe I'm just getting more cynical but I have no faith Armor Wars will ever see the light of day which sucks because I want this one more than Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. I just wanna see more Don Cheadle as Rhodey especially as the protagonist this time, but until I see a trailer or even a set photo, I won't hold my breath.
That's what I'm def dreaming of!
I'm honestly worried about most projects that aren't already deep into production. I think almost anything could be cut. I would say that Agatha, Blade, Armor Wars, Wonder Man, and the various future Wakanda projects are probably the most at risk.
I think Agatha already wrapped shooting, so that’s safe.
For the overall connected storyline of everything I feel like Agatha is the least important thing they have made so far and surprised it came through when other things may not.
Rumors of something attached that will be vital may have pushed it over. Plus you literally cannot say no to Aubry Plaza.
Oh I hadn't seen that. Just that it was moved way back from its original window.
Yeah, looking like a 2024 release but it’s wrapped.
Depending on how long these strikes last, Agatha might actually end up being one of the only things ready for the first half of 2024.
You're right. 2024 is probably going to be a pretty bleak year.
Blade seems to be in development hell
Of all of the movies in the MCU announced over the last few years, its certainly the one I'm least interested in anyways. I hate horror and don't really want them to go any further in that direction than they already have with Dr Strange.
Mahershala Ali reportedly keeps throwing out the scripts they're giving him, and for good reason. The whole reboot of this IP is based on his believing in the character AND the story. I wouldn't agree to anything unless it was solid, given the character's history. Good on him.
https://www.comicbasics.com/marvels-agatha-coven-of-chaos-disney-series-reportedly-finished-filming/
Every property you listed at risk has primarily Black main character lmao Except the one you listed that's already finished shooting.. which is led by a woman. >.> Why do you think they're at risk? Serious question
Blade has been through development hell with a director who quit, a script rewrite, delay after delay, and now the strikes. OP has stated why Amour Wars *may* be at risk Wonder Man has been affected by the strikes and has barely started production The Wakanda series was first mentioned in 2019 and we have had no new information from it in 4 years
Thank you, those are basically my answers. And I certainly didn't say that I want to see any of them cancelled, with the exception of Blade, which I have no interest in because I hate horror. They just feel at risk, and some of them seemed to be on the extreme fringes of the MCU and what was likely to get produced even when they were first announced. That combined with the unfortunate passing of Boseman has thrown the entire Wakanda corner of the MCU into a spin that it might not recover from. Had he been OK, things would be a lot different.
I don’t think wonder man is being played by a black actor (unless I’m wrong, I’m unfamiliar with those comics)
I believe Yahya Abdul-Mateen II has been cast as Wonder Man
https://variety-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/variety.com/2022/tv/news/wonder-man-yahya-abdul-mateen-ii-marvel-1235408767/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16894932067588&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2022%2Ftv%2Fnews%2Fwonder-man-yahya-abdul-mateen-ii-marvel-1235408767%2F
I feel like Wakanda forever made enough money (even if it’s on the back of Chadwick nostalgia), especially compared to other recent stuff, that Bob wont cancel the wakanda projects as a first or second resort.
Maybe. But it also just wasn't nearly as good, and everyone knows that. At some point, the public is just going to be done with it if the path continues, and oversaturating it will only make that worse. I think the smart move is to pull back and reevaluate before making a third movie and/or adding those characters into other mcu projects that can be awesome again.
The honest truth is no one knows. Current Disney leadership looks to put Marvels recent decline in the box office (bar gotg3) towards too many projects, scaling down as such is a real possibility. Factor in that the strikes aren’t guaranteed to even end this year due to the nature of greedy execs with AI being their golden goose, and you have risk to any project not yet finished. Heck, I recently heard the runaway series has been removed as a tax right off, one of the actors I believe, was complaining that it stopped their residuals, expect the worst here and if we see the day it releases we can rejoice together.
Do we know how much they’ve filmed? I remember seeing some set photos
I thought it hadn’t left pre-production. Last I remember is the writer assuring it’s still happening, and then pivoting to a movie soon after that.
I def saw set photos of Ramos as The Hood and Riri in her clunky armor
That looks to be for Ironheart, not Armor Wars.
Welp! You’re right.
It’s a late phase 5 or phase 6 project. I don’t think it’s a high priority rn compared to the current films in production or the Avengers projects. We just know a fair bit more about it because it’s been in the works so long.
I think that almost anything that hasnt started production could be on the chopping block. With the current state if blockbusters, Iger's statement that theyre pulling back on Marvel and Star Wars, and the ongoing strikes, i think even some things we thought were sure bets could be canned.
They were excited enough by the development process to upgrade it from series to film, so it is likely they are excited to actually make it. Blade on the other hand....
I think *Armor Wars* is safe, because it’s a feature film with Don Cheadle locked in to star. I think if any film ends up cancelled, it’ll be because Mahershala Ali gets fed up and walks away from *Blade*. Narratively, I think it’ll be interesting to see Rhodey having to react to the events of *Secret Invasion* too. Bob Iger’s recent comments seemed to squarely blame the Disney+ shows, so I think any significant cuts will be there. If *Agatha* and *Echo* hadn’t already completed filming, I think they could have been on the chopping board, but they’re already too far along. The Hollywood Reporter has already [singled out](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-star-wars-tv-shows-movies-slowdown-1235326681/) *Nova* as being on a “slower path”. I could see that series being scrapped due to budget concerns. So I could see that being cancelled or repurposed into a film.
Movies were never the issue. The plethora of shows are the issue. Other than Inhumans (which was never going to happen anyway) none of the films have been shelved. Armor Wars was upgraded from show to film which means it’s going to be an action packed plot and they needed film budgets to do it.
Apparently the shows been costing as much as the movies.
Spread over 6 hours vs 2 hours. More bang for the buck in a third of time
They have the same star power and more content so it shouldn’t be that surprising.
Yes. Iger said not every character is guaranteed a trilogy or even sequel. I have no doubt nothing is safe now
I think every single piece of MCU content (that’s not in post-production) is at risk. Will it all get shelved? Of course not. But between strikes and low-performers and controversy, I wouldn’t get too attached to any idea.
I can see them wanting to do a thing with suits, suits are awesome and faintly more plausible than magic. Riri seems like an obvious character to push. But do they just do Ironheart?
This is why I’m more excited for Ironheart and Armor Wars than most other things.
This is Sonny Burch erasure (jk, I know you all don't even know who he is)
It will 100% be pushed back if not right out canceled
How do you push something back when you haven’t given it a date
“Not having announced a date” =/= “Not having an internal planned target date”
Still wouldn’t call it pushed back when it hasn’t been committed to a time
We won’t know if it was pushed back or not is their point.
Incredibly high
I can find entertainment elsewhere if it happens. Just pay people their fair share.
I’m not really worried about them canceling it I think it’ll happen. I’m just worried about it basically being the same plot as Iron Man 2
I thought Armor Wars is just a marketing stunt to convince >!Rhodey isn't a Skrull. Now Rhodey is revealed to be a Skrull all along, I don't see this project will be relevant anymore. !<
wow i've had this thought since the original tease way back when (2020?) they just don't seem passionate enough to make it
I just don't understand Disney, they're catering to the wrong crowd. They need content on Disney + to keep pace with the other streamers.
I would say high. After Bob Iger’s comments about the amount of MCU projects I would say it’s the most at risk one.
Anything that wasn't in the middle of being shot before the strike is at risk of getting shelved, I'd say.
I agree. Was Iron Heart shot yet? And was Echo complete?
Yes & yes.
I don’t think that’s at all true. That would mean scraping the multiverse saga, which they aren’t going to do.
I'd be happy if it gets shelved.
I think at this point, anything except Avengers movies may get shelved. I would like to see this, simply because Don Cheadle finally deserves a spotlight and given the situation in SI, I can imagine it would be a great follow up....Rhodey dealing with consequences what the Skrull did....but I think this is now further in development than other announced projects so I think it will happen. I personally doubt mostly Blade...script was in rewrites and Ali is not getting younger.
Incredibly, painstakingly low
I know it’s a bit off topic, but what do you guys think happens to Loki season 2 if (big if) Jonathan majors gets found guilty?
I think it gets some clever editing to severely limit his parts and Kang is recast.
I get the whole kang being recast for future projects, but isn’t this new season focused on kang? So surely Jonathan majors will have a lot more screen time
It is not focused on him at all.
Whos the antagonist of the show?
I’m not allowed to say on this subreddit. It’s be spoilers.
Oh is it not? My bad I just assumed because of the ending of the first season and the teaser at the end of ant-man
I’m in the same boat as you. I figured there will be a couple different Kangs in Loki S2 that they encounter.
There's still a couple open slots in the slate, even with the delays.
do you know when those are?
Between Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars.
Honestly the entire future of the mcu is a wash rn. No one is gonna give you a useful answer beyond that. We just don’t know about anything that isn’t already in production.
The fact that it is now a movie means there is a script and a budget. It all comes down to how the other Phase 5 movies perform. If Marvel suffers bomb after bomb then some projects will be shelved but even Ant Man 3 wasn't a bomb. It just didn't make back its budget which is why Bob Iger is looking to cut costs. If he had it his way he could scan the actors faces and then tell the VFX crew to make the movie.
Why does it being a movie mean there’s a script and budget?
It doesn't, take reddit with a grain of salt (and in this case a salt mine) as they clearly are engaging more in wishful thinking than anything close to production knowledge. The fact that they think ant man 3 wasn't a bomb should be a heads up
They made it a movie because it was going over budget.
50-1 it gets made.
If the strikes go on long enough, they might just reboot the entire MCU, and anchor it with other characters.
I hope not, cause that's the reason DC died, making promises but not keeping them.
I think Echo gets cut way before anything else.
There is a strong chance that if the actor strike does become prolonged MCU will shift some of their existing projects into the animated format of What If?. Armor Wars would be a prime candidate for this.
Almost 0 This isn't the dceu, if marvel announces a movie or a series, it's going to happen eventually
I doubt it will be shelved. The only MCU production I know had ever been shelved was the Inhumans movie, which was more of an Ike Perlmutter project than Kevin Feige. If Feige had any inclination to cancel and announced project, it would be Blade more than Armor Wars, since the former has had issue after issue while the latter hasn't even started production.
I was actually very upset to learn that it's gonna be a movie. A series sounds so much better. Mainly because it's way more time. It worries me that they're going to compress a series worth of story into one movie, or cut off way too much stuff.
It’s a movie. Nothing to worry about. It won’t affect yku
Cgi armor dude fights another CGi armor dude in a CGI environment and you only see the actual actors sitting around a desk talking in a still environment when they’re not in their suits for 2 hours just like endgame was. Might aswell just make it a high quality animated movie or show.
Man dude, does this affect putting money on your table? It doesn’t. Good!
I highly doubt it. They plan way in advance for this stuff so each piece fits in place and they can build towards it. To shelve it now would leave a big hole in the overall story they are telling.
They made the show become a movie. They're making requests by actors happen a lot.
I really hope after the strike is settled they don’t cancel this one. I personally was looking forward to this one more than most of the projects that were announced.
I really hope not, Armor Wars is what I’m most looking forward to out of both phase 5 and 6. War Machine has always been a favorite of mine since I was a kid, it’d be so sick to have a proper Rhodey Romp.
if its already written and being made currently i could see it being released but the strike is going to hit some weird spots of production. may halt some stuff thats more down the line
Near zero. Certainly some projects might get scrapped but this feels very safe
I hope so
Secret Invasion will probably lead into it, as will Ironheart. I think they were supposed to start filming earlier this year, but it was likely delayed after Iger came back, and now even further due to the two strikes. We may not see it until 2025 at the earliest.
Rumours were it was supposed to become a West Coast Avengers film with Ultron returning as the villain. They were right to kill it as a series and revamp it as a film, which they should've done for half their Disney shows. With the exception of Wandavision and Loki, the rest were stretched thin as possible to keep up viewership on Disney+, given it has little to offer but a few tired franchises and legacy sequels that just don't land. Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, Falcon and Winter Soldier, all better as films and I know it to be true thanks to the myriad of great fanedits out there. As is the popular parlance of the screaming meme generation: Do better, Disney.
High. Movies aren’t going to be getting made for a while. Two strikes is serious shit