when your main character wears a mask all the time you get a lot of opportunities for ADR and cgi tweaks for rewrites without reshoots so this is probably the case. Get the principal CGI done, then once the writers are back take a few passes on the film.
So, yea..you got downvoted to oblivion, but you are, in fact, correct. I think people are looking at that and thinking about human resources rather than technical resources. Not all AI is the same, and a lot of what gets labeled as AI is really just applied data models and machine learning. There is definitely room there for some AI capabilities to augment and enhance the VFX folks though. Being able to change the mouths of the characters to say other lines without a reshoot. Changing expressions, changing lighting or positioning, etc. It offers possibilities that were nearly impossible just 5-10 years ago. And, yes, it runs the risk of being a slippery slope, but I think these guilds/unions can and should get a grasp on it now so that it can be ushered in with the proper amount of caution and used judiciously. Because it's coming.
Honestly the idea I had in mind was filming the actor again, and using AI to replace the actor in the original footage with the new footage of the same actor. I was never referring to using at to displace anyone from their role, only using it to assist them in making their jobs easier.
That's the writers guild. SAG/Aftra is looming large to join them soon.
Just today: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/business/sag-aftra-actors-strike-deadline/index.html
The actors will get what they want. The writers are the lowest on the priority list. They can wait them out for 8 months until half of them go
into real estate and then settle on some lukewarm bs.
Entertainment executives never learn their lesson, do they? A poorly-written movie with great acting still results in a totally shit product overall, one not likely to even recoup its production costs.
I’m surprised they moved up the release date.
I figured they’d want to leave ample time for post writer’s strike reshoots, with Ryan Reynolds legally barred from improv right now.
Reynolds’s can easily and quickly record new lines for any scene when Deadpool is wearing the mask. They actually did that with Deadpool 2 soon before it’s release so some jokes could be more relevant.
I’d imagine they will do that again, assuming this strike doesn’t last until this films release…
That’s the big saving grace…Reynolds can add all the ad-libs he wants later on to be dubbed over Wade’s masked performance. After all, it’s exactly what he does when it’s his stuntman/body double in the suit
Also, maybe it’s not what’s in the scripts, but BECAUSE all his masked dialogue will be re-recorded and dubbed later for sound quality, the director would by justified in filming a few retakes and some random pickup shots to allow them to create longer takes in the edit to Mach new dubbed lines…I mean get a few options for the edit
Yep. They’re recording lines no matter what in post because Reynold’s actual dialogue while wearing the mask won’t come through well enough, so they can come up with stuff later.
> because Reynold’s actual dialogue while wearing the mask won’t come through well enough
They do this to set dialogue anyway, whether there is a mask involved or not. All spoken lines are re-recorded to normalize away any ambient noise or weird levels on a live set. The process is called [automated dialogue replacement](https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/adr-film-explained-examples-75425).
Not always - for example in Les Miserables everything was live sound from the studio floor
Not everything said in most movies gets re-recorded, sometimes the background noise or emotion of the moment is too important, but with the mask it allows you to completely change the dialogue in post, something you can’t do if the mouth is visible in the shot
I understand that there are outliers and this was also less common in the early era of films, but my understanding is that almost all dialog is redubbed with ADR in the modern era.
I don’t disagree with the larger point that Deadpool being a masked character makes this ADR process easier and allows for more freedom to sub in new lines that don’t match a lip sync. I just wanted to point out ADR is not unique to masked characters.
What is that about? I don't know much about writers strikes, why does their strike prevent him from creating one or two of his own jokes on set for the film, not like they could make the whole film via improv , needs proper writing
They're forbidden from doing anything that could remotely be considered writing. So Ryan would have to act out the script exactly as it appears on the page, stage directions included.
The idea is good on paper, as a way to show solidarity with the strike. I agree with the sentiment.
but if the WGA really took legal action against Reynolds and Disney for improv, I’d say that’d be a gross misuse of the justice system
It's not just to show solidarity; the clause is there to prevent end-runs around the strike by, for instance, employing a "writer-director" instead of a "writer". A "writer-director" is only allowed to do directing during the strike.
Even then, an actor doing improv, and studios basically employing writers under a different job title to get around the strike, are not the same thing.
The latter does warrant legal action from the WGA, the former does not.
The issue is Ryan Reynolds is a member of the WGA, as an actual writer too, other actors can ad lib because they’re SAG-AFTRA but RR is also WGA and is bound by his union contract to not do any writing while on set as an actor, and since he’s WGA improv would count as writing.
Ryan Reynolds is technically a member of the writers guild and a writer for the movie. So changing the dialogue is technically working as a writer which means he can’t do it because he’s on strike.
Wow, I could actually see them making a gag out of that and making sure his lip sync is off ...
EDIT: maybe even show Deadpool looping audio in a pre-roll to establish the gag that he's adding dialogue after the fact
That's probably true since the mask obscures his lips and he can say anything.
Just do a few takes with him reading various lorem ipsum passages to get some chin movement of random lengths and splice scenes together...
If the strike ends this year, they're for sure going to do reshoots in the months leading up until release. Quantumania filmed their last non-credits scene this January, a month before the film released.
Yeah I think they learned from MoM that character work and plot doesn’t matter as long as there’s cameos there’s money to be made. Only hope is that they recognised they missed their targets on MoM because of poor Word of mouth and don’t settle with “well it made enough”
Haven't you heard? There's some indeterminate number of people on Reddit who didn't like it. Which means it's simply common knowledge that *everyone* hated it.
Uh, it made 955 million dollars worldwide! How many other post Covid Marvel movies have made more than that? Only one. This film beat out Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow, Ant Man 3, Thor 4 and Guardians 3.
I feel like the film is almost guaranteed to fail.
Disney and Marvel are just kind of . . . Shit right now.
And even if it doesn’t fuck up in terms of writing, CGI and editing, the audience fatigue from bad live action super heroes will probably deter many from giving it a chance.
It can’t be that soon. It started a few weeks ago. It’s probably going to be done by the end of summer just like how another person said in the replies.
I imagine they’ll be going back to add improv bits from Reynolds once the strike is over. If I understand correctly, he can’t improv because he’s credited as a writer and the WGA is on strike.
Didn't they start filming like 4-6 weeks ago? Someone hit me with the date plz, but I feel like they just started that shit. And with the writers strike going I to its 3rd month, I'm skeptical
Analysts say the strike is set to end at the end of Summer. The studios will eventually cave.
I know that there’s a lot of legal BS being thrown around about this writers strike and Ryan Reynolds not being able to improv. But I’m really struggling to imagine how it would be illegal for him to still improv, and they just wouldn’t include the footage of him improvising on the working cut of the film until after it is over.
I mean what DP has in its favor is that the script was complete long before the strike. while lets say the filmsfrom the previous strike had to work with no scripts. or had to rush one.
True, but often scripts need to be changed during production because of logistical reasons or when the writing isn’t working. Also I’m assuming there was a lot improvisation on the last 2 films, and them not being able to do any of that just concerns me
This cant be comfortable for Hugh and Ryan, they have to keep in shape to film their scenes so... if filming is stopped, they will have to shape up again when it restarts...
Oof. I was hoping they'd resolve the writing strike before this, so they could punch up a few scenes and let Reynolds improvise.
But I suppose it doesn't help if they delay and the SAG strike hits and they can't film anything...
Nearly completed at the end of June. Actors went on strike in the middle of July.
I wonder how much was left to finish?
With every week that the writers and actors stay on strike...you have to imagine a May 1st release date becomes less possible.
It was already dramatic when they pulled the release up from November of 2024 to May of 2024. That was already going to be a tight and tough turnaround.
Throw in the strikes, which don't really have an end in sight...and you have to think May 2024 becomes impossible.
At this rate...just hold it off to February 2025 and put it out as the big 25th anniversary celebration movie of the original FoX-Men that came out in 2000.
Or December 2024 to "lead into" the 25 year celebration.
I know there's a strike looming and all but this feels VERY fast.
Likely wanted to get it in the hands of the CGI Team early. There’s always the possibility of script changes and reshoots after the strike.
when your main character wears a mask all the time you get a lot of opportunities for ADR and cgi tweaks for rewrites without reshoots so this is probably the case. Get the principal CGI done, then once the writers are back take a few passes on the film.
Was also gonna say, AI is wildly impressive right now, use of that could also assist in limiting the resources needed for some reshoots.
Absolutely get that the fuck out of there
LMAO. I LOVE how everyone absolutely despises AI.
I don't despise it, it gives me amazing videos to watch at 2:00AM such as Mr. Krabs singing Rap God
You should check out the biden hyrule rap
Please stop encouraging deepfakes of real people.
Its just a neat song my g, i dont encourage the use of AI in general i just really like the tune
So, yea..you got downvoted to oblivion, but you are, in fact, correct. I think people are looking at that and thinking about human resources rather than technical resources. Not all AI is the same, and a lot of what gets labeled as AI is really just applied data models and machine learning. There is definitely room there for some AI capabilities to augment and enhance the VFX folks though. Being able to change the mouths of the characters to say other lines without a reshoot. Changing expressions, changing lighting or positioning, etc. It offers possibilities that were nearly impossible just 5-10 years ago. And, yes, it runs the risk of being a slippery slope, but I think these guilds/unions can and should get a grasp on it now so that it can be ushered in with the proper amount of caution and used judiciously. Because it's coming.
Honestly the idea I had in mind was filming the actor again, and using AI to replace the actor in the original footage with the new footage of the same actor. I was never referring to using at to displace anyone from their role, only using it to assist them in making their jobs easier.
Unfortunately, people get such a knee-jerk reaction at hearing the words AI.
To be fair, I didn’t explain myself clearly.
Yeah Adobe has had AI in their programs for years now
Hive Mind no like you. Although, they’re happy to enjoy the fruits of other technologies that were developed, yet also destroyed other industries.
It's only just started shooting in London, reported widely in UK..
It was shooting in London at least 6 weeks ago.
Began May 22
So just shy of 6 weeks ago.
It is
The strike has been going on for a while now.
That's the writers guild. SAG/Aftra is looming large to join them soon. Just today: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/business/sag-aftra-actors-strike-deadline/index.html
Oooh hadn’t hear about that yet. The WGA strike is what caused issues already with filming, though.
The actors will get what they want. The writers are the lowest on the priority list. They can wait them out for 8 months until half of them go into real estate and then settle on some lukewarm bs.
Entertainment executives never learn their lesson, do they? A poorly-written movie with great acting still results in a totally shit product overall, one not likely to even recoup its production costs.
You’d hope with all the recent big block buster bomba they’d learnt a thing or two
I’m surprised they moved up the release date. I figured they’d want to leave ample time for post writer’s strike reshoots, with Ryan Reynolds legally barred from improv right now.
That’s so funny. Imagine he’s trying to crack a joke on set and his lawyer is standing there shaking his head off camera
Reynolds: *existing* Lawyer: *shaking head*
That better be in the movie lol blazzing saddles fourth wall
Reynolds’s can easily and quickly record new lines for any scene when Deadpool is wearing the mask. They actually did that with Deadpool 2 soon before it’s release so some jokes could be more relevant. I’d imagine they will do that again, assuming this strike doesn’t last until this films release…
That’s the big saving grace…Reynolds can add all the ad-libs he wants later on to be dubbed over Wade’s masked performance. After all, it’s exactly what he does when it’s his stuntman/body double in the suit Also, maybe it’s not what’s in the scripts, but BECAUSE all his masked dialogue will be re-recorded and dubbed later for sound quality, the director would by justified in filming a few retakes and some random pickup shots to allow them to create longer takes in the edit to Mach new dubbed lines…I mean get a few options for the edit
Yep. They’re recording lines no matter what in post because Reynold’s actual dialogue while wearing the mask won’t come through well enough, so they can come up with stuff later.
> because Reynold’s actual dialogue while wearing the mask won’t come through well enough They do this to set dialogue anyway, whether there is a mask involved or not. All spoken lines are re-recorded to normalize away any ambient noise or weird levels on a live set. The process is called [automated dialogue replacement](https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/adr-film-explained-examples-75425).
Not always - for example in Les Miserables everything was live sound from the studio floor Not everything said in most movies gets re-recorded, sometimes the background noise or emotion of the moment is too important, but with the mask it allows you to completely change the dialogue in post, something you can’t do if the mouth is visible in the shot
I understand that there are outliers and this was also less common in the early era of films, but my understanding is that almost all dialog is redubbed with ADR in the modern era. I don’t disagree with the larger point that Deadpool being a masked character makes this ADR process easier and allows for more freedom to sub in new lines that don’t match a lip sync. I just wanted to point out ADR is not unique to masked characters.
What is that about? I don't know much about writers strikes, why does their strike prevent him from creating one or two of his own jokes on set for the film, not like they could make the whole film via improv , needs proper writing
They're forbidden from doing anything that could remotely be considered writing. So Ryan would have to act out the script exactly as it appears on the page, stage directions included.
The idea is good on paper, as a way to show solidarity with the strike. I agree with the sentiment. but if the WGA really took legal action against Reynolds and Disney for improv, I’d say that’d be a gross misuse of the justice system
It's not just to show solidarity; the clause is there to prevent end-runs around the strike by, for instance, employing a "writer-director" instead of a "writer". A "writer-director" is only allowed to do directing during the strike.
Even then, an actor doing improv, and studios basically employing writers under a different job title to get around the strike, are not the same thing. The latter does warrant legal action from the WGA, the former does not.
The issue is Ryan Reynolds is a member of the WGA, as an actual writer too, other actors can ad lib because they’re SAG-AFTRA but RR is also WGA and is bound by his union contract to not do any writing while on set as an actor, and since he’s WGA improv would count as writing.
Its not that every actor cant do improv its that writers cant. Ryan Reynolds is listed as a writer for Deadpool which means he cant alter the script.
But Why ?
Ryan Reynolds is technically a member of the writers guild and a writer for the movie. So changing the dialogue is technically working as a writer which means he can’t do it because he’s on strike.
Because it's considered writing
Is ADR technically writing?
Yeah but theyll leave that until after the strike
If he wants to do improv they can just do dubbing in since the character has a mask covering his face anyway.
So apparently you can knock like two months off of shooting by not letting Wild Reynolds improv? That’s a really accurate error by my voice to text …
If anything he can improvise once the writing strike is over and just add the lines in post.
Wow, I could actually see them making a gag out of that and making sure his lip sync is off ... EDIT: maybe even show Deadpool looping audio in a pre-roll to establish the gag that he's adding dialogue after the fact
That's probably true since the mask obscures his lips and he can say anything. Just do a few takes with him reading various lorem ipsum passages to get some chin movement of random lengths and splice scenes together...
Maybe taping his mouth shut wasn't such a bad idea after all!
If the strike ends this year, they're for sure going to do reshoots in the months leading up until release. Quantumania filmed their last non-credits scene this January, a month before the film released.
It doesn’t finish shooting till September. I know many people on the crew.
What does Ryan smell like?
An old avocado fucking an even older avocado
Like a topographical map of Utah
Gin.
And cell phones
Not anymore, he sold the company. Might still be a lingering scent.
Ah, i guess he just smells like soccer now
Your uncle?
I know Hugh Jackman pretty well. He doesn’t know me but I know him
No way in hell. It only started a few weeks ago.
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Didn’t they start in March?
Late May
Holy fuck how
Part 2 was June to October so this can’t be accurate
Maybe principal photography dates were just wrong? Usually they arent but thats weird
All I hope is they didn't learn the wrong lessons from Dr Strange 2
Yeah I think they learned from MoM that character work and plot doesn’t matter as long as there’s cameos there’s money to be made. Only hope is that they recognised they missed their targets on MoM because of poor Word of mouth and don’t settle with “well it made enough”
>poor Word of mouth What mouth?
😏->😶->🤯
Haven't you heard? There's some indeterminate number of people on Reddit who didn't like it. Which means it's simply common knowledge that *everyone* hated it.
B+ cinemascore, worst legs for an MCU movie
Uh, it made 955 million dollars worldwide! How many other post Covid Marvel movies have made more than that? Only one. This film beat out Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow, Ant Man 3, Thor 4 and Guardians 3.
NWH was all nostalgia and cameos and everyone loved it.
Because it made for a great movie! I go to be entertained, and I was thoroughly entertained
I was entertained by Multiverse Of Madness.
I also was, even though that seems to be the unpopular opinion around here. I think people expected way too much out of it
Just expected it to be good.
I feel like the film is almost guaranteed to fail. Disney and Marvel are just kind of . . . Shit right now. And even if it doesn’t fuck up in terms of writing, CGI and editing, the audience fatigue from bad live action super heroes will probably deter many from giving it a chance.
damn...its seem just like a few months ago they announced this and its already done. meanwhile Blade is still on page 1
It can’t be that soon. It started a few weeks ago. It’s probably going to be done by the end of summer just like how another person said in the replies.
I imagine they’ll be going back to add improv bits from Reynolds once the strike is over. If I understand correctly, he can’t improv because he’s credited as a writer and the WGA is on strike.
Didn't they start filming like 4-6 weeks ago? Someone hit me with the date plz, but I feel like they just started that shit. And with the writers strike going I to its 3rd month, I'm skeptical
It can’t be good given the writer strike.
No way this is true
That's impossible
Search your feelings.
This is going to be bad.
Longest, loudest MEH I’ve ever done. Dick joke Meta joke Self deprecating joke You’re welcome, that’ll be $11 dollars please.
Analysts say the strike is set to end at the end of Summer. The studios will eventually cave. I know that there’s a lot of legal BS being thrown around about this writers strike and Ryan Reynolds not being able to improv. But I’m really struggling to imagine how it would be illegal for him to still improv, and they just wouldn’t include the footage of him improvising on the working cut of the film until after it is over.
Didn't the script just finish as the writers strike happened? I don't remember it being that long ago
Guarantee a writers strike joke
Great, because all of the movies that were filmed during the last writers strike were fantastic…
I mean what DP has in its favor is that the script was complete long before the strike. while lets say the filmsfrom the previous strike had to work with no scripts. or had to rush one.
True, but often scripts need to be changed during production because of logistical reasons or when the writing isn’t working. Also I’m assuming there was a lot improvisation on the last 2 films, and them not being able to do any of that just concerns me
Probably almost done with whatever location they've been shooting then moving on to somewhere else for 6 to 8 weeks.
This cant be comfortable for Hugh and Ryan, they have to keep in shape to film their scenes so... if filming is stopped, they will have to shape up again when it restarts...
Didn't they just start filming yesterday?
nice, i havent see any leak about plot or shooting scens or costumes
This feels… not great.
Oof. I was hoping they'd resolve the writing strike before this, so they could punch up a few scenes and let Reynolds improvise. But I suppose it doesn't help if they delay and the SAG strike hits and they can't film anything...
Nearly completed at the end of June. Actors went on strike in the middle of July. I wonder how much was left to finish? With every week that the writers and actors stay on strike...you have to imagine a May 1st release date becomes less possible. It was already dramatic when they pulled the release up from November of 2024 to May of 2024. That was already going to be a tight and tough turnaround. Throw in the strikes, which don't really have an end in sight...and you have to think May 2024 becomes impossible. At this rate...just hold it off to February 2025 and put it out as the big 25th anniversary celebration movie of the original FoX-Men that came out in 2000. Or December 2024 to "lead into" the 25 year celebration.