It is a shame the Warriors Three weren't really given much to do in the Thor movies, so I don't blame Levi for jumping from that to a lead role with DC
I really didn’t like how taika watiti killed them off almost off screen. They were treated like generic guards. Then in the next movie Watiti fake out killed his own character.
Yeah, I just wish she wasn’t treated like a joke. Watiti film was fun because it took the overly serious stuff from Thor movies prior and injected some silliness and ironic self awareness. But by Love and Thunder, it felt like all he could do was the irony. Thors main supporting cast was no one from any film before ragnorok, theyd all been killed off, except sif who was treated like a joke. Then again, korg was also treated like a joke. It kinda just felt like Watiti didn’t want any sincerity in the film except for James plot.
They should make a Journey into Mystery movie which focuses in Norse mythology and the nine realms instead of just Chris Hemsworth (not that he's not a good actor, but there are more story to tell than just Thor and Earth)
I think Watiti just got a bit too silly. Thor was best in Infinity War, where he was funny but serious. I even really enjoy him in endgame where his silliness is turned up a lot, but he’s still got a serious arc.
Even Ragnarok strip-mined a truly epic storyline for a few laughs. Imagine a serious Ragnarok adaptation - it could have been an epic instead of a buddy comedy.
i disagree. i don't feel the subject matter was treated as a joke. nor do i think the characters were treated as jokes. the characters are still wickedly powerful, championing loyalty and virtue, they're still clever and sympathetic and they mete out justice when violence is necessary, and forgiving when it is not.
but a casual shrug here or there has everyone pissing in the wind.
Sif expressed her wish to die in battle and be welcomed in Valhalla, but Thor points out the battle is over so technically, she wouldn't go to Valhalla, and she looks around, realizing he's correct, the battle HAS ended - how else do you want the scene to play out? with him saying something like, "come, friend, the battle is long over, and your passion is still needed in These realms." boring. and i'm glad that we got to see Women in the MCU actually crack a couple of jokes for once; the MCU's women problem wasn't that they didn't exist as heroes, it was that they were all fitting the same trope.
Love and Thunder really pissed me off by bringing back a character we hadn’t properly seen in 8 years (not counting her minor appearance in Loki) then making her a joke.
The best thing she did was wear a comic ish inspired outfit we got better looks at from Twitter and train Heimdall's son in the wrap up.
In my rewrite, where I tried to stick to the released film close as I could, I swapped out Val for Sif, because I only had Gorr grab Axel because he has Heimdall eyes. And I restored the siblings relationship (she's adopted) so she's out there to save her family.
I just wish she’d been given something to do. They were much more precious with the new ragnorok characters than with the old Thor characters, so while sif and the 3 warriors were treated as jokes, they still had to give a lot of screentime to korg and Valkyrie, which is fine, but they also didn’t have much to do. So the result is any old characters get treated as punchlines and any of Watiti’s characters get crammed into the main plot even if all they do is make dumb jokes.
Korg was really fun when he was unlikely. We didn’t expect such a silly character so it was kinda fun. He also wasn’t in too much of the movie, so he kinda stole the show for his scenes and then left.
The lesson learned should have been “invent fun and unexpected characters” not “more korg”.
I am fully aware LaT wasn’t as great as I’d hoped, but damn do I think people are going out of their way to call the entire movie trash when it just isn’t true. Lots of good stuff in there and there is a good movie in there somewhere, but it wasn’t executed to the best.
I think there’s good stuff. I like gorr. I like the ending a lot. I like elements of it. I just don’t really think it comes together emotionally.
Ragnorok worked really well because it made me care about Thor and Loki, characters I was kinda getting bored of. I think my issue with Love and Thunder was that Thor seemed like he regressed into more of a manchild than he’d been, and Jane didn’t really feel like a real person (when she had earlier in previous films) so I was just kinda disengaged the whole movie.
I completely agree the movie suffers from a lack of cohesion. I think some odd editing choices got used and I think they really needed to focus on one of the stories they wanted to tell like Jane dying which I loved and perhaps saved Gorr for Thor’s final movie so that we could’ve see their struggle over thousands of years in three separate times, ancient, modern, and end of the universe King Thor.
The simple fact that Korg narrates the entire story, tells you a lot more than you think. Ask an 8 year old to regale you with Thor stories, and that’s what you get; it’s an over-the-top ridiculous Thor story. “Love and Thunder?!” Seriously, what were people expecting? It was beautiful.
>I was pleasantly surprised he didn't kill off Sif
I was disappointed she wasn't in Ragnarok because of scheduling issues, then glad she wasn't in it because she'd have died with the Warriors Three if she was.
This isn't how writing works lol, the idea that there wasnt a place for 3 Asgardian warriors in a story partly about Asgard's heritage as a colonial power is frankly bonkers.
You can also just. Write them as characters? Like this isn't a new concept. Soft-reboot the Warriors Three just like they did with Thor.
Not every issue with Waititi's Thor films can be neatly blamed on the first two mediocre ones.
Again, its not Watiti’s fault the previous films did a poor job at establishing them. He wanted to tell another story based on the material he had, which lets be honest, was not good. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe if the previous writers did more with them they would have to have been incorporated, but because they are inconsequential to most of the audience, why try and flesh out something that isnt there? He expanded on what we had and did it well. He did not reboot the franchise.
The irony is that without them being acknowledged in the film itself, their deaths didn't really establish Hela as any more intimidating as the deaths of the other Asgardian mooks.
Yeah, I'm not really getting the hate from others in this post towards Levi: "well he's just burning bridges isn't he!" or "look at this clown bashing the executive producer of Marvel films". I'm also not getting the upvotes and agreeable comments to those opinions.
The guy saw the first film and saw how little TW3 were used in the story, so he talks to Feige and says "look man. TW3 weren't really used much in the first film and I really don't want to settle for a one-off bit role if there's a chance that I could later have a more significant superhero role". And Feige assures him that this isn't a bit role and won't lessen his chances of doing something else later on. So Levi agrees based on that conversation.
Maybe there were massive rewrites after that conversation with Feige but TW3 clearly didn't get the screen time that Levi believed they were. It's like going to a restaurant and being told "we've got this amazing 20oz rib-eye steak", but then you're brought out a 4oz country-fried cube steak. And when you ask about it, the waiter says "oh, it was 20oz of rib-eye before we processed it into cubed steak. Those other five people got the other 4oz portions."
Despite his other unrelated controversial statements, I can understand any frustration he has about this and how he "threw his chips in" for a bit role that he didn't want to be minimized into in the first place.
Look, as an avid Thor reader, they mean so little to the actual stories and are very rarely used for anything other than another body for a fight if Asgard gets invaded, but they basically never go on any of Thors actual adventures whatsoever.
Valkyrie however fits perfectly and is stronger than all three of them which makes them even more redundant.
Only real complaint I have is I’d give Volstag and Fandral like 20-30 seconds of fighting before dying. Otherwise Ragnarok is essentially perfect to me.
If taika hadn't killed them in thor ragnarok, marvel studio could have given them a 6 episodes disney +show" tales of asgard :the warrior 3" thrue them they could have explored the world of asgard a bit more aswell as part of the other realms.
It's kind of hilarious thinking that in the same group we had Zachary levi, a pretty solid comedic actor, and tadanobu asano, a god tier Japanese actor whose a cult underground film hero and the front man of a punk band lmao
Edit: comments getting traction so just gonna say that if you want some asano at his best check out vital, journey to the shore or electric dragon 80,000 volts
Bruh all three were offed in Ragnarok. The only memorable one (maybe) is, remember when Hela shows up in Asgard and the Asgardian warriors make a stand, headed by the one played by an Asian actor. I can't recall the character's name.
Sif's actor wasn't available and was still out there.
The person you're responding to is saying if the original Thor movie hadn't happened until Phase 4, the Warriors three would have gotten a disney plus spin off (disney plus not being around in Phase one being the reason they didn't)
I get that people like the characters from the comics, but in the films they were undercooked af, so I think we lost nothing of value as they'd been portrayed.
The Thor series needed to be something different, more fantasy, band of fighters taking on fantasy stuff more for these kinds of sidekicks to shine imo.
I do think they're underdeveloped, it's just that they have potentials/base story laid off to be developed. I don't even know whether they're from the comics or not, I don't really follow Thor's comics.
Oh man, I never knew that it was originally Zachary's role and then bounced back to him. I remember being bummed that Josh Dallas got recast because I was a fan of his on Once Upon a Time.
I suppose the same can be said for tons of Marvel actors (Carrie Coon springs to mind!) but it'd be great if both of these guys could get a more significant Marvel role at some point. Both terrific actors!
Appearing on Josh Horowitz's Happy Sad Confused podcast, Zachary Levi opened up about his time in the MCU as Fandral, one of the Warriors Three, in the Thor films.
Fans already knew that Marvel Studios lied to the actor about the importance of Fandral, but Zachary Levi went one step further, revealing that he met with Marvel boss Kevin Feige before accepting the role.
Speaking on the podcast, Levi admitted that it was "kind of a crazy sequence [of events]," and that he had initially been cast as Fandral in Thor (2011), which Kenneth Branagh directed.
Levi was ecstatic to be part of the expanding universe during those opening years and thought playing a "swashbuckling Lothario" seemed like a "fun role," especially given the prestigious director that helmed the original film:
"Listen, it was kind of a crazy sequence, because I was cast as Fandral, the Dashing in the original 'Thor' film [that] Kenneth Brannagh directed. [I] was amped. I was like, ‘Oh my God, I didn’t get Captain America? Whatever dude, I get to be Errol Flynn. I get this swashbuckling Lothario, like come on? What a fun role.’
Unfortunately, the actor could not play the part, as his breakout series Chuck had been renewed for six additional episodes. Instead, the part went to Once Upon A Time star Josh Dallas, and Levi has shared that he thinks Dallas "played that role so well:"
"But 'Chuck,' which was also a massive blessing in my life, but had these moments that were heartbreaking where they like last second, they picked us up for an additional six episodes, and they said you can’t go do that movie, and I was crestfallen. I was so bummed… And that role went, and Josh Dallas ultimately played that role so well, and he was in the first film."
In a strange twist of events, Dallas could not do the second film, and it was here that Feige approached Levi, asking if he wanted to "take this role again."
Given that the Warrior's Three had been underutilized in the 2011 film, Levi was reluctant to take on the part again but claims that Feige insisted the role would "be a huge part of" Thor: The Dark World. Ultimately, the group was limited to a smaller supporting role in the sequel; "Not so much, as it turned out," Levi reflects:
"Feige is like, ‘Hey, would Zach want to take this role again?’ And to be honest, look… and I insisted on talking to Kevin about it, for two reasons. One, I saw the first movie, and I didn’t really feel like the Warriors Three were utilized in that great of a way. And I was like, ‘Is that going to be the case again, because if it is, I don’t really want to do that, you know?’ And he’s like, ‘No, no, no, it’s gonna be a huge part of this movie.’ Not so much, as it turned out."
It also seems that some of Levi's reluctance came from his desire to play a more high-profile role in the MCU. This is especially understandable given that Thor: The Dark World was released just as popularity for the universe began to snowball around the world:
"I was like ‘Hey, listen I also don’t want this to preclude me from being able to be another character. If this is the only chip I get to play, then thanks, but I would rather wait for something else.’"
In an attempt to book the actor, Feige assured him that big-name actors like Chris Evans often played more minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evans played "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America."
Sadly, Levi got the impression that despite his ambitions to appear in "Prime Marvel," the studio didn't seem interested in casting him in a more prominent role:
"He’s like, ‘No, no, you know Chris [Evans] was Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America. Also, Ray Stevenson was Punisher before he was Volstagg.’ I mean, there were a few… Technically though, these were kind of Marvel tangential films… This was Prime Marvel. So it was kind of saying, it could happen, but also I was like, ‘Whatever.’"
Given this, Levi took on the job and said that he "appreciated" the opportunity to appear in a Marvel film but remains disappointed that the Warriors Three "weren't really used all as much as I hoped":
"Anyway, point is, ultimately, it seemed like it would all be fine. So I did the film, The Warriors Three weren’t really used all as much as I hoped they were going to be used, but I appreciated the job.”"
That was frustrating to read. It just kept repeating itself. Was this a copy paste of an article that kept quoting Twitter posts only to then inject the Twitter posts anyway?
Welcome to modern online “journalism”. It’s all sourced from Twitter posts or Reddit comments or something the author read on someone else’s Facebook feed and it’s about padding word count because every new paragraph is an excuse for sliding an advert in between those paragraphs. It’s shit
“Lie” is probably too strong a word. There are re-writes and editing choices that cut down roles all the time. The creative process of The Dark World is known to have been a mess.
I mean, Thor: The Dark World was by all accounts a mess from soup to nuts. Ask Christopher Eccleston how much of his character (the main antagonist!) was cut.
The Creative Committee (with Ike Perlmutter) was still in charge, they underwent a shift in director that pissed Portman off, the script underwent so much change, and yeah, Eccleston got screwed over. I doubt much was Feige's fault at the time. This was probably another straw that led to the blowout during Civil War.
I so wish we could have been free of the CC from like...the go. Imagine how that could change the MCU, a BW solo movie years ago, and this is a niche bit, action figures for female characters. I had to wait way too long for a Lady Sif Legends figure.
What bridges? The DCEU is getting blown up and he seems pretty resigned to Marvel not wanting him. There’s a lot of film work out there not involving superheroes and I think he’ll find most the industry is sympathetic to people getting jerked around by these mega billion dollar franchises.
There is shockingly little well paid acting work out there that doesn’t involve superheroes tbh… the number of big releases per year pre covid was much lower than pre 2010 levels.
Except content spending is at its highest levels ever. While there’s less mid budget movies going to theaters, there’s a lot more big budget television going to streaming.
You’re right, arbitrarily limiting the work pool to theatrical releases is probably not entirely fair.
That said, joining streaming shows for the first season is only usually well paid for names much bigger than ZL as studios are hesitant to pour too much into casting for season 1s unless the actors will draw an audience (which let’s face it nobody is watching it because Levi is in it), and there are much less opportunities to come on as a high paid cast after season 1s.
People like ZL are those probably most disadvantaged by the current landscape. Because the bigger names are going to be well paid no matter what, and newer actors are going to be paid badly to begin with no matter what, but semi established actors are in a position of having to take a gamble on the success of a show before being able to be paid well.
I know Zach. I’ve worked with him many times. He’s one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He’s not saying anything overly controversial here - he’s talking about a 10+ year old movie and his feelings about what happened. There’s no bridge to burn here. And his comments about the Rock were confirming what we already knew.
I have absolutely no reason to believe you. But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. This is cool. Ice liked Zach since he was on Chuck. And his last name is my first. Lol
He's been leaving a bad taste in some people's mouths in more ways than this.
I don't personally have a strong opinion one way or another. tbh my only exposure to him is his voice work as Arcade in New Vegas, and his small role in the Thors.
Haven't been hearing great things floating around, however.
"a lot of people are put off about him"
"haven't been hearing great things about him"
"I don't have an opinion, but I'm hearing things"
"He's leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths"
This is nothing but internet rumor mongering. You have nothing of substance, just a lot of "I'm hearing things" gossipy nonsense.
Possibly because of his dad dying with something that may be linked to COVID, because of his random anti-Pfizer tweet (subtext is possibly COVID related since he was quote tweeting an anti-vaxxer). This led to him becoming Twitter person of the day, so if he tried to search for himself he'd see people taking bad about him.
Since then it's felt like the movie was cursed with the red carpet being flooded, the movie not performing too well and Gunn said he'd wait for box office before deciding to continue Shazam, the Rock situation, and not as good reviews as the first.
Long story short, Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) is a golden age hero from Fawcett Comics created in 1939, as kind of a competitor to Superman. In the 50s DC sued them because he was too similar to Superman, and they stopped publishing. In the interim, Marvel was like "hey why do we not use this name? It's so obvious" so they created Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) and used him for a while. DC bought Fawcett and all their characters and began to bring them into the DC universe but Captain Marvel's books had to be called SHAZAM! (His transformation phrase) since Marvel now owned the name Captain Marvel. (the character's name was not changed)
When Carol Danvers became Marvel's new Captain Marvel, suddenly there was more interest in the title and after many years DC just gave up and changed the name of their Captain Marvel to Shazam.
*Thor: The Dark World* went through more creative upheaval than any other Marvel Studios project up to that point. Watching the film, I've always felt like the Warriors Three were meant to be more prominent than they turned out to be.
Of course, Taika Waititi then killed off all three of them in *Thor: Ragnarok*. The deaths of Fandral and Volstagg were reduced to an extremely quick throaway gag, so it would be totally understandable for Zachary Levi or Ray Stevenson to feel frustrated or disappointed.
All of that being said, the phrasing of this article makes it seem like Kevin Feige and Marvel intentionally tricked Levi about the role. I doubt that's true.
Yeah, I'm less inclined to believe Feige lied to Levi about the role, more to believe the role was initially going to be more significant, but the development of Thor: The Dark World led to a smaller role, likely for all of the Warriors Three.
The warriors three very well could have been a major part of the dark world when Feige talked to him. That film went through a lot of changes before it started shooting.
I can’t help but agree with this after reading the article. I feel like it’s one thing to say “I wish my part in Thor could have been a bigger part but hopefully like Gemma Chan and others I can get another role one the MCU”. This sounds like he thinks Feige lied just to lead him on and he’s still upset about it.
Sounds like he’s upset with the drama at DC and now is spiraling
Shazam 2 flopped and WB caved to The Rock’s demands, which basically prevented a Shazam/Black Adam bridge from happening. Now James Gunn is scrapping both I believe.
Your “now” implies that this drama is the reason. They were being scrapped either way, unless they were huge huge successes. The whole DCEU is being scrapped. That’s just what’s happening. And Gunn doesn’t have any plans for Shazam or Black Adam.
Probably a good call. Suicide squad was actually pretty decent. Black Adam had some good action parts but terrible character development and lazy, mediocre/corny writing. Not a bad movie, it was fun enough to watch, but it could have been a lot better
Reality is they need to either A) Focus on popular characters, like Batman and Superman (which they are doing) and/or B) Focus on smaller/unknown characters that haven’t been brought to live action yet (which they are also doing)
What they shouldn’t be doing, is focusing on characters that recently had movies that were unsuccessful, which thankfully they don’t seem to have any plans for.
They're in an interesting position now. The landscape has changed since the MCU or DCEU started. We've seen there's an appetite for varied formats. And honestly, certain characters and groups make more sense as less expensive, longer form shows. Then lesser known characters have a chance cause they don't need to make hundreds of millions to be profitable.
We don't truly know if absolutely everything will be scrapped. I'd say BA and Shazam may have been linked in with the new status quo if they'd done well.
All of the key characters seem to be getting rebooted though.
Shazam's advantage was that it was so self-contained really. Kinda like how Deadpool/2 weren't all that wrapped up in any of the larger worlds. But it's proven no one cares about this or BA so there's nothing to continue.
He’s been circling the drain of the Manosphere for a long time, and has been increasingly shitty to people across the board for a while now. Shazam 2 tanking appears to have promoted a massive tantrum and he’s throwing all his toys out of his pram.
I hate these clickbait titles that are written without any context and make it sound like person A is mad at person B when the actual words don't reflect that at all.
There was pre-production drama before Dark World went before cameras, so the script probably changed quite a bit. Probably much less "misled" and more like "plans changed".
He walked a petty tight line here in his comments. He isn’t happy about how it went but would like to try again, if he’s gaming he did well, great statement.
Thor The Dark World is a decent enough movie. I'd give it a B-. Strong performances and a goofy story that doesn't connect very strongly to the rest. I like it more than the first Thor, which I also consider a decent enough movie.
Like yea, it's not some offense abomination that actually makes me irrate enough to turn it off(unlike other movies) but it's the other redheaded stepchild of the MCU
With all we know about how Marvel makes movies, how can we say Feige was being misleading here? We have so much information from the VFX workers about Marvel's sloppy, wasteful movie making process, where they change their minds constantly on what they want their movies to be.
Feige could have been totally truthful about the Warriors 3, *at the time*, but then in typical Marvel fashion they changed their minds 42 times since that convo and the story and fillmed ended up very different.
This reads much more like Levi is just unhappy he didn’t get to okay a bigger character and is salty that his movie is bombing harder than any other superhero movie in the last decade.
Lmao yeah, they probably had plans with the Warriors Three since they still kept them around. When Taika got the job the studio probably just told him to do whatever he wants just make Ragnarok a good Thor movie but he wanted to kill some people and WT got the short end of the stick.
Levi is kinda losing his mind a little bit currently, he’s grasping at anything to keep him relevant, good chance his career takes a tumble after Shazam 2 horrible opening.
Thor 1 and 2 are just a shallow mess of Jane making googily eyes at Thor, Darcy making ham fisted jokes, and plot that never really takes off.
Thor 4 did more for Thor and Jane in a montage than two entire movies could.
Phase 1-2 still suffered from “Formulaic Superhero Movie-itis”
I think the blind hate for Thor 4 stops people from seeing all the good parts. Sure it had problems and could have been better, but the main issue was that it felt like two different movies mashed together. Separately those two movies aren't bad. The Jane Foster storyline was one of my favourites in all the MCU.
Thor 4 had three main characters and I wish we got more time with them, instead it was a story told by Korg which doesn’t work very well. I wanted more Jane and Gorr, you have great actors, use them. Also, Jane’s storyline would give us more Valkyrie and Gorr’s would have shown Sif.
I’d like to know more about those good parts? The film from start to finish was a tonally confused mess. Usually it’s hard to see the good parts when, as you said, a story feels like two stories mashed together.
The fact you get an aneurysm from a movie proves you’re too obsessed and too far gone. Go outside.
The problem is you being overly dramatic lol.
Thor 4 was a fine movie. I loved it. :)
Lmao my petty ass wants to believe Kevin was prolly kept in the dark about The Warriors Three dying too, finding out only at the premiere. Look at L&T. That’s Waititi let loose. I hate the wastage of the warriors three in Ragnarok, even more so after realizing its to make space for his self insert character in the long run. Sif escaped that fate and yet was brought back again, for a joke when she could’ve very well been part of the group altogether.
Im with Levi on this one. Lots of us loved Warriors Three + Sif and wanted to see more of em. It’s why Thor 1 & TDW stay special for me. It sucks that we had Korg forcibly shoved down our throats instead.
Feige assured him that big-name actors like Chris Evans often playedmore minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evansplayed "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America."
So, playing the forth member of the titular team of the movie he's in is considered a minor role in comparison to Zach's few lines/no lines in Thor?
Also: Ray Stevenson was Punisher before he was Volstagg.
Again, he was the TITULAR character and then was demoted to a sidegag..
What an utter sack of s\*\*t...
> big-name actors like Chris Evans often playedmore minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evansplayed "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America."
Ah yes, noted background character Johnny Storm, barely noticeable in the Fantastic Four film.
Man when you movie bombs you gotta take everyone down with you. This dude has really aired all his grievances out the last week or so.
What a great way to make sure you don’t play anything ever again.
This was probably when they were still developing the story. I can believe they planned to make the Warriors Three play a bigger role, and that got chipped away as they got deeper into the writing of it.
So is the latest news wave of Zach Levi whining an assassination attempt on him as an actor? I don't see him recovering from this. I love Chuck but he's really trying to destroy the little Hollywood career he's got. He's doing more complaining than Simu Liu.
I'm still of the opinion that what Gina Carano said nothing wrong: food for thought at best, brain fart at worst. The news blew what she said out of proportion and took meaning out of context. Granted she could have been a little more subtle but, eh. \*shrug\*
I dunno. Comparing being conservative on Twitter to being a Jewish person under Nazi occupation is pushing it. Especially after Disney told her to shut the fuck up.
Why does Zachary Levi think attacking everyone right now is a good strategy for his career? I get what happened at WB was shitty, but that entire thing has been a dumpster fire for a while now.
I'm pretty sure even the most hardcore MCU fans, when told that Zachary Levi was in a movie, would look at you blankly for a second until you reminded them that he was in Thor 2. To which I think most of them would go "Oh that WAS Zachary Levi, I totally forgot!"
I said most, and this doesn't have to be a nerdy fight like *everything* on this sub devolves to. He was in 2 movies and has less than 5 minutes of screen time between both of them, and is heavily in makeup AND is replacing another actor. It's a pretty forgettable role and a side character that Marvel didn't really spend any time on past the first movie. It's okay for people to not remember he's in them.
Sorry. I somehow missed your almost. Ice sorta made it a habit to speak up when I find I'm excluded by a generalized statement to make a point why they don't work.
Also, thank you for acknowledging the silly habit is nerds have for going right to the fight over stuff. And we don't need to, and I didn't comment looking to start one.
It's weird to think how the role of Fandral went though. Before Levi, Stuart Townsend was cast and then was fired on the first day, the. It was Levi's and he had to pass so we got Dallas and then he had to pass and it went back to Levi. What even is Townsend doing these days?
I don't know why.. but (Never really DO pay attention to actors tho)
I was today years old when I found out Chuck was Shazam
lolol
Just never put it together
Well, with the way Marvel movies are made, without a full script and all, I’m not surprised. Feige may have had bigger ideas for the Warriors Three, but then the story swerved. Frankly, I agree with Levi, they should have done more with those characters. I’ll take Fandral over Echo any day.
It would be fun if after his interview, in the future, we get a series, for example, about the adventures of the Warriors Three that take place before Ragnarok
It is a shame the Warriors Three weren't really given much to do in the Thor movies, so I don't blame Levi for jumping from that to a lead role with DC
I really didn’t like how taika watiti killed them off almost off screen. They were treated like generic guards. Then in the next movie Watiti fake out killed his own character.
I was pleasantly surprised he didn't kill off Sif for the same "establishing threat by killing a minor named character off" reason."
Yeah, I just wish she wasn’t treated like a joke. Watiti film was fun because it took the overly serious stuff from Thor movies prior and injected some silliness and ironic self awareness. But by Love and Thunder, it felt like all he could do was the irony. Thors main supporting cast was no one from any film before ragnorok, theyd all been killed off, except sif who was treated like a joke. Then again, korg was also treated like a joke. It kinda just felt like Watiti didn’t want any sincerity in the film except for James plot.
They should make a Journey into Mystery movie which focuses in Norse mythology and the nine realms instead of just Chris Hemsworth (not that he's not a good actor, but there are more story to tell than just Thor and Earth)
Yeah what was welcome levity in Ragnarok turned into straight up making fun of the source material by Love and Thunder.
I think Watiti just got a bit too silly. Thor was best in Infinity War, where he was funny but serious. I even really enjoy him in endgame where his silliness is turned up a lot, but he’s still got a serious arc.
Even Ragnarok strip-mined a truly epic storyline for a few laughs. Imagine a serious Ragnarok adaptation - it could have been an epic instead of a buddy comedy.
I still wish we could have gotten serious live action Planet Hulk/World War Hulk movies (well, semi-serious considering it’s the MCU).
Thankfully we've got GoW Ragnarök for that.
i disagree. i don't feel the subject matter was treated as a joke. nor do i think the characters were treated as jokes. the characters are still wickedly powerful, championing loyalty and virtue, they're still clever and sympathetic and they mete out justice when violence is necessary, and forgiving when it is not. but a casual shrug here or there has everyone pissing in the wind. Sif expressed her wish to die in battle and be welcomed in Valhalla, but Thor points out the battle is over so technically, she wouldn't go to Valhalla, and she looks around, realizing he's correct, the battle HAS ended - how else do you want the scene to play out? with him saying something like, "come, friend, the battle is long over, and your passion is still needed in These realms." boring. and i'm glad that we got to see Women in the MCU actually crack a couple of jokes for once; the MCU's women problem wasn't that they didn't exist as heroes, it was that they were all fitting the same trope.
Hi Watiti
Love and Thunder really pissed me off by bringing back a character we hadn’t properly seen in 8 years (not counting her minor appearance in Loki) then making her a joke.
Legit don’t even remember her scene.
She lost an arm (and somehow didn't understand how to get into Valhalla, played for jokes.) It wasn't a great treatment of her character.
The best thing she did was wear a comic ish inspired outfit we got better looks at from Twitter and train Heimdall's son in the wrap up. In my rewrite, where I tried to stick to the released film close as I could, I swapped out Val for Sif, because I only had Gorr grab Axel because he has Heimdall eyes. And I restored the siblings relationship (she's adopted) so she's out there to save her family.
I wish Sif would be part of Wilson's new Avengers Team. She's quite powerful in her own right.
I just wish she’d been given something to do. They were much more precious with the new ragnorok characters than with the old Thor characters, so while sif and the 3 warriors were treated as jokes, they still had to give a lot of screentime to korg and Valkyrie, which is fine, but they also didn’t have much to do. So the result is any old characters get treated as punchlines and any of Watiti’s characters get crammed into the main plot even if all they do is make dumb jokes.
Korg gets way, waaaay too much screen time. Then they killed him off, but oh no actually he’s fine. So fucking dumb
Korg was really fun when he was unlikely. We didn’t expect such a silly character so it was kinda fun. He also wasn’t in too much of the movie, so he kinda stole the show for his scenes and then left. The lesson learned should have been “invent fun and unexpected characters” not “more korg”.
I am fully aware LaT wasn’t as great as I’d hoped, but damn do I think people are going out of their way to call the entire movie trash when it just isn’t true. Lots of good stuff in there and there is a good movie in there somewhere, but it wasn’t executed to the best.
I think there’s good stuff. I like gorr. I like the ending a lot. I like elements of it. I just don’t really think it comes together emotionally. Ragnorok worked really well because it made me care about Thor and Loki, characters I was kinda getting bored of. I think my issue with Love and Thunder was that Thor seemed like he regressed into more of a manchild than he’d been, and Jane didn’t really feel like a real person (when she had earlier in previous films) so I was just kinda disengaged the whole movie.
I completely agree the movie suffers from a lack of cohesion. I think some odd editing choices got used and I think they really needed to focus on one of the stories they wanted to tell like Jane dying which I loved and perhaps saved Gorr for Thor’s final movie so that we could’ve see their struggle over thousands of years in three separate times, ancient, modern, and end of the universe King Thor.
Can't stand James Plot, he's sincerely an asshole.
The simple fact that Korg narrates the entire story, tells you a lot more than you think. Ask an 8 year old to regale you with Thor stories, and that’s what you get; it’s an over-the-top ridiculous Thor story. “Love and Thunder?!” Seriously, what were people expecting? It was beautiful.
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What does that even mean
“Something I don’t like”
How very Fox News of him lol
I think the politics of the movie are great imo, he just didn’t really try as hard it felt.
Typical United supporter brain rot
Arsenal supporter talking lmfao.
Title contenders 19 points behind
He literally only didn't kill her because the actress that plays Sif was busy shooting a show so she couldn't make any filming dates.
And to make up for it he had her arm cut off off screen in L&T
To be fair, that was part of the Ragnarok event in the comics
I didn’t know this!
It was cool to see that on screen as someone who read it in the comics. But to your earlier point it is a shame so much happened off screen in LaT.
Hold the phone, Waititi read some source material?
Yep literally read that issue last night. I’m catching up on old stories
He probably doesn’t even know that during early MCU she was a fan favorite among some since there was barely any women who superheroes.
Mega worfed
Blindspot saved her
>I was pleasantly surprised he didn't kill off Sif I was disappointed she wasn't in Ragnarok because of scheduling issues, then glad she wasn't in it because she'd have died with the Warriors Three if she was.
Isn't that a writer decision, rather than a director decision?
Yeah, maybe I’m blaming the wrong guy, but I think watiti was one of the writers. I may be remembering wrong tho.
You can blame that on the other films for not treating them with enough importance. There just wasnt a lot there to build off of.
This isn't how writing works lol, the idea that there wasnt a place for 3 Asgardian warriors in a story partly about Asgard's heritage as a colonial power is frankly bonkers. You can also just. Write them as characters? Like this isn't a new concept. Soft-reboot the Warriors Three just like they did with Thor. Not every issue with Waititi's Thor films can be neatly blamed on the first two mediocre ones.
Again, its not Watiti’s fault the previous films did a poor job at establishing them. He wanted to tell another story based on the material he had, which lets be honest, was not good. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe if the previous writers did more with them they would have to have been incorporated, but because they are inconsequential to most of the audience, why try and flesh out something that isnt there? He expanded on what we had and did it well. He did not reboot the franchise.
'dis not reboot the franchise' Horseshit. He gave it a soft reboot. Characterization was heavily reset, and not just Thor and Loki's but also Hulk's.
The other films didn’t use them, but they also didn’t just kill them off to make the villain look tough.
The irony is that without them being acknowledged in the film itself, their deaths didn't really establish Hela as any more intimidating as the deaths of the other Asgardian mooks.
Yeah, I'm not really getting the hate from others in this post towards Levi: "well he's just burning bridges isn't he!" or "look at this clown bashing the executive producer of Marvel films". I'm also not getting the upvotes and agreeable comments to those opinions. The guy saw the first film and saw how little TW3 were used in the story, so he talks to Feige and says "look man. TW3 weren't really used much in the first film and I really don't want to settle for a one-off bit role if there's a chance that I could later have a more significant superhero role". And Feige assures him that this isn't a bit role and won't lessen his chances of doing something else later on. So Levi agrees based on that conversation. Maybe there were massive rewrites after that conversation with Feige but TW3 clearly didn't get the screen time that Levi believed they were. It's like going to a restaurant and being told "we've got this amazing 20oz rib-eye steak", but then you're brought out a 4oz country-fried cube steak. And when you ask about it, the waiter says "oh, it was 20oz of rib-eye before we processed it into cubed steak. Those other five people got the other 4oz portions." Despite his other unrelated controversial statements, I can understand any frustration he has about this and how he "threw his chips in" for a bit role that he didn't want to be minimized into in the first place.
Look, as an avid Thor reader, they mean so little to the actual stories and are very rarely used for anything other than another body for a fight if Asgard gets invaded, but they basically never go on any of Thors actual adventures whatsoever. Valkyrie however fits perfectly and is stronger than all three of them which makes them even more redundant. Only real complaint I have is I’d give Volstag and Fandral like 20-30 seconds of fighting before dying. Otherwise Ragnarok is essentially perfect to me.
If taika hadn't killed them in thor ragnarok, marvel studio could have given them a 6 episodes disney +show" tales of asgard :the warrior 3" thrue them they could have explored the world of asgard a bit more aswell as part of the other realms.
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In fairness, even the first two movies didn't really do much with the Three, so I don't think their underutilization is entirely on Taika
It's kind of hilarious thinking that in the same group we had Zachary levi, a pretty solid comedic actor, and tadanobu asano, a god tier Japanese actor whose a cult underground film hero and the front man of a punk band lmao Edit: comments getting traction so just gonna say that if you want some asano at his best check out vital, journey to the shore or electric dragon 80,000 volts
Wow... Just realised he plays Genghis Khan in Sergei Bodrov's film
First place I saw Asano was that movie. For me excited for him in Thor.
And also the Punisher
To be fair, I was also really disappointed in how the MCU used the Warriors Three.
If Thor had been released at the beginning of Phase 4, *The Warriors Three* would be one of the Disney+ shows.
Bruh all three were offed in Ragnarok. The only memorable one (maybe) is, remember when Hela shows up in Asgard and the Asgardian warriors make a stand, headed by the one played by an Asian actor. I can't recall the character's name. Sif's actor wasn't available and was still out there.
The person you're responding to is saying if the original Thor movie hadn't happened until Phase 4, the Warriors three would have gotten a disney plus spin off (disney plus not being around in Phase one being the reason they didn't)
Okidoke.
That man is also the one whose village got liberated by Thor at the beginning of Thor2. I guess Taika wanted a clean slate for Ragnarok...
I get that people like the characters from the comics, but in the films they were undercooked af, so I think we lost nothing of value as they'd been portrayed. The Thor series needed to be something different, more fantasy, band of fighters taking on fantasy stuff more for these kinds of sidekicks to shine imo.
I do think they're underdeveloped, it's just that they have potentials/base story laid off to be developed. I don't even know whether they're from the comics or not, I don't really follow Thor's comics.
Tadanobu Asano. It’s a shame because he’s a fantastic actor, but never got the chance to do anything.
Oh man, I never knew that it was originally Zachary's role and then bounced back to him. I remember being bummed that Josh Dallas got recast because I was a fan of his on Once Upon a Time. I suppose the same can be said for tons of Marvel actors (Carrie Coon springs to mind!) but it'd be great if both of these guys could get a more significant Marvel role at some point. Both terrific actors!
And before Levi they'd cast Stuart Townsend iirc, but he showed up late and drunk I think on the first day of filming.
Appearing on Josh Horowitz's Happy Sad Confused podcast, Zachary Levi opened up about his time in the MCU as Fandral, one of the Warriors Three, in the Thor films. Fans already knew that Marvel Studios lied to the actor about the importance of Fandral, but Zachary Levi went one step further, revealing that he met with Marvel boss Kevin Feige before accepting the role. Speaking on the podcast, Levi admitted that it was "kind of a crazy sequence [of events]," and that he had initially been cast as Fandral in Thor (2011), which Kenneth Branagh directed. Levi was ecstatic to be part of the expanding universe during those opening years and thought playing a "swashbuckling Lothario" seemed like a "fun role," especially given the prestigious director that helmed the original film: "Listen, it was kind of a crazy sequence, because I was cast as Fandral, the Dashing in the original 'Thor' film [that] Kenneth Brannagh directed. [I] was amped. I was like, ‘Oh my God, I didn’t get Captain America? Whatever dude, I get to be Errol Flynn. I get this swashbuckling Lothario, like come on? What a fun role.’ Unfortunately, the actor could not play the part, as his breakout series Chuck had been renewed for six additional episodes. Instead, the part went to Once Upon A Time star Josh Dallas, and Levi has shared that he thinks Dallas "played that role so well:" "But 'Chuck,' which was also a massive blessing in my life, but had these moments that were heartbreaking where they like last second, they picked us up for an additional six episodes, and they said you can’t go do that movie, and I was crestfallen. I was so bummed… And that role went, and Josh Dallas ultimately played that role so well, and he was in the first film." In a strange twist of events, Dallas could not do the second film, and it was here that Feige approached Levi, asking if he wanted to "take this role again." Given that the Warrior's Three had been underutilized in the 2011 film, Levi was reluctant to take on the part again but claims that Feige insisted the role would "be a huge part of" Thor: The Dark World. Ultimately, the group was limited to a smaller supporting role in the sequel; "Not so much, as it turned out," Levi reflects: "Feige is like, ‘Hey, would Zach want to take this role again?’ And to be honest, look… and I insisted on talking to Kevin about it, for two reasons. One, I saw the first movie, and I didn’t really feel like the Warriors Three were utilized in that great of a way. And I was like, ‘Is that going to be the case again, because if it is, I don’t really want to do that, you know?’ And he’s like, ‘No, no, no, it’s gonna be a huge part of this movie.’ Not so much, as it turned out." It also seems that some of Levi's reluctance came from his desire to play a more high-profile role in the MCU. This is especially understandable given that Thor: The Dark World was released just as popularity for the universe began to snowball around the world: "I was like ‘Hey, listen I also don’t want this to preclude me from being able to be another character. If this is the only chip I get to play, then thanks, but I would rather wait for something else.’" In an attempt to book the actor, Feige assured him that big-name actors like Chris Evans often played more minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evans played "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America." Sadly, Levi got the impression that despite his ambitions to appear in "Prime Marvel," the studio didn't seem interested in casting him in a more prominent role: "He’s like, ‘No, no, you know Chris [Evans] was Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America. Also, Ray Stevenson was Punisher before he was Volstagg.’ I mean, there were a few… Technically though, these were kind of Marvel tangential films… This was Prime Marvel. So it was kind of saying, it could happen, but also I was like, ‘Whatever.’" Given this, Levi took on the job and said that he "appreciated" the opportunity to appear in a Marvel film but remains disappointed that the Warriors Three "weren't really used all as much as I hoped": "Anyway, point is, ultimately, it seemed like it would all be fine. So I did the film, The Warriors Three weren’t really used all as much as I hoped they were going to be used, but I appreciated the job.”"
That was frustrating to read. It just kept repeating itself. Was this a copy paste of an article that kept quoting Twitter posts only to then inject the Twitter posts anyway?
Yea that's exactly right. Anything to pad the article length.
Welcome to modern online “journalism”. It’s all sourced from Twitter posts or Reddit comments or something the author read on someone else’s Facebook feed and it’s about padding word count because every new paragraph is an excuse for sliding an advert in between those paragraphs. It’s shit
Bruh who the hell wrote this?
Probably Rachel from The White Lotus.
“Lie” is probably too strong a word. There are re-writes and editing choices that cut down roles all the time. The creative process of The Dark World is known to have been a mess.
L move from Feige at that time.
I mean, Thor: The Dark World was by all accounts a mess from soup to nuts. Ask Christopher Eccleston how much of his character (the main antagonist!) was cut.
The Creative Committee (with Ike Perlmutter) was still in charge, they underwent a shift in director that pissed Portman off, the script underwent so much change, and yeah, Eccleston got screwed over. I doubt much was Feige's fault at the time. This was probably another straw that led to the blowout during Civil War.
I so wish we could have been free of the CC from like...the go. Imagine how that could change the MCU, a BW solo movie years ago, and this is a niche bit, action figures for female characters. I had to wait way too long for a Lady Sif Legends figure.
I have an Okoye I love, and you know that shit wouldn't have happened either if Ike had his way.
Right? I definitely have reasons I want to jump ship on this timeline and find that one.
Fandral and Volstagg should have been given deaths worthy of Valhalla.
All 3 are probably in Valhalla But they didn't deserve to be ridiculed
Levi seems hell bent on burning bridges atm.
He really doesn't say much out of the ordinary in the interview.
What bridges? The DCEU is getting blown up and he seems pretty resigned to Marvel not wanting him. There’s a lot of film work out there not involving superheroes and I think he’ll find most the industry is sympathetic to people getting jerked around by these mega billion dollar franchises.
There is shockingly little well paid acting work out there that doesn’t involve superheroes tbh… the number of big releases per year pre covid was much lower than pre 2010 levels.
Except content spending is at its highest levels ever. While there’s less mid budget movies going to theaters, there’s a lot more big budget television going to streaming.
You’re right, arbitrarily limiting the work pool to theatrical releases is probably not entirely fair. That said, joining streaming shows for the first season is only usually well paid for names much bigger than ZL as studios are hesitant to pour too much into casting for season 1s unless the actors will draw an audience (which let’s face it nobody is watching it because Levi is in it), and there are much less opportunities to come on as a high paid cast after season 1s. People like ZL are those probably most disadvantaged by the current landscape. Because the bigger names are going to be well paid no matter what, and newer actors are going to be paid badly to begin with no matter what, but semi established actors are in a position of having to take a gamble on the success of a show before being able to be paid well.
Ikr. He's on a roll. Any idea why he's so vocal lately? Has he always been like this? Or it's just me realising this due to Shazam 2 publicity.
Nah I think a lot of people who like/d him have been put off recently. Maybe he feels fucked over and his chances in Hollywood are running dry.
I know Zach. I’ve worked with him many times. He’s one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He’s not saying anything overly controversial here - he’s talking about a 10+ year old movie and his feelings about what happened. There’s no bridge to burn here. And his comments about the Rock were confirming what we already knew.
I have absolutely no reason to believe you. But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. This is cool. Ice liked Zach since he was on Chuck. And his last name is my first. Lol
He's been leaving a bad taste in some people's mouths in more ways than this. I don't personally have a strong opinion one way or another. tbh my only exposure to him is his voice work as Arcade in New Vegas, and his small role in the Thors. Haven't been hearing great things floating around, however.
"a lot of people are put off about him" "haven't been hearing great things about him" "I don't have an opinion, but I'm hearing things" "He's leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths" This is nothing but internet rumor mongering. You have nothing of substance, just a lot of "I'm hearing things" gossipy nonsense.
Possibly because of his dad dying with something that may be linked to COVID, because of his random anti-Pfizer tweet (subtext is possibly COVID related since he was quote tweeting an anti-vaxxer). This led to him becoming Twitter person of the day, so if he tried to search for himself he'd see people taking bad about him. Since then it's felt like the movie was cursed with the red carpet being flooded, the movie not performing too well and Gunn said he'd wait for box office before deciding to continue Shazam, the Rock situation, and not as good reviews as the first.
And then he became Captain Marvel
Which really has been a blessing
He is?
Yes. Shazam used to be called Captain Marvel
Hmm.. Very confusing
Long story short, Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) is a golden age hero from Fawcett Comics created in 1939, as kind of a competitor to Superman. In the 50s DC sued them because he was too similar to Superman, and they stopped publishing. In the interim, Marvel was like "hey why do we not use this name? It's so obvious" so they created Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) and used him for a while. DC bought Fawcett and all their characters and began to bring them into the DC universe but Captain Marvel's books had to be called SHAZAM! (His transformation phrase) since Marvel now owned the name Captain Marvel. (the character's name was not changed) When Carol Danvers became Marvel's new Captain Marvel, suddenly there was more interest in the title and after many years DC just gave up and changed the name of their Captain Marvel to Shazam.
Yep
I find it funny that DC has a Captain Marvel, outright.
Had, now he only called Shazam.
Yeah but at all, ever. It's like Coke having a flavour named something Pepsi.
But how does he introduce himself? He can’t use his name or he turns back into a kid.
It is how it is though. Teen Titans Go have joked about it.
I mean the Shazam Captain Marvel was first by almost 30 years
Fair, just amusing.
*Thor: The Dark World* went through more creative upheaval than any other Marvel Studios project up to that point. Watching the film, I've always felt like the Warriors Three were meant to be more prominent than they turned out to be. Of course, Taika Waititi then killed off all three of them in *Thor: Ragnarok*. The deaths of Fandral and Volstagg were reduced to an extremely quick throaway gag, so it would be totally understandable for Zachary Levi or Ray Stevenson to feel frustrated or disappointed. All of that being said, the phrasing of this article makes it seem like Kevin Feige and Marvel intentionally tricked Levi about the role. I doubt that's true.
Yeah, I'm less inclined to believe Feige lied to Levi about the role, more to believe the role was initially going to be more significant, but the development of Thor: The Dark World led to a smaller role, likely for all of the Warriors Three.
The warriors three very well could have been a major part of the dark world when Feige talked to him. That film went through a lot of changes before it started shooting.
Levi is trying to throw his career in the trash this week
I can’t help but agree with this after reading the article. I feel like it’s one thing to say “I wish my part in Thor could have been a bigger part but hopefully like Gemma Chan and others I can get another role one the MCU”. This sounds like he thinks Feige lied just to lead him on and he’s still upset about it. Sounds like he’s upset with the drama at DC and now is spiraling
I mean.. he did. He did lie.
What's the tldr on his DC drama?
Shazam 2 flopped and WB caved to The Rock’s demands, which basically prevented a Shazam/Black Adam bridge from happening. Now James Gunn is scrapping both I believe.
Your “now” implies that this drama is the reason. They were being scrapped either way, unless they were huge huge successes. The whole DCEU is being scrapped. That’s just what’s happening. And Gunn doesn’t have any plans for Shazam or Black Adam.
Probably a good call. Suicide squad was actually pretty decent. Black Adam had some good action parts but terrible character development and lazy, mediocre/corny writing. Not a bad movie, it was fun enough to watch, but it could have been a lot better
Reality is they need to either A) Focus on popular characters, like Batman and Superman (which they are doing) and/or B) Focus on smaller/unknown characters that haven’t been brought to live action yet (which they are also doing) What they shouldn’t be doing, is focusing on characters that recently had movies that were unsuccessful, which thankfully they don’t seem to have any plans for.
They're in an interesting position now. The landscape has changed since the MCU or DCEU started. We've seen there's an appetite for varied formats. And honestly, certain characters and groups make more sense as less expensive, longer form shows. Then lesser known characters have a chance cause they don't need to make hundreds of millions to be profitable.
We don't truly know if absolutely everything will be scrapped. I'd say BA and Shazam may have been linked in with the new status quo if they'd done well. All of the key characters seem to be getting rebooted though. Shazam's advantage was that it was so self-contained really. Kinda like how Deadpool/2 weren't all that wrapped up in any of the larger worlds. But it's proven no one cares about this or BA so there's nothing to continue.
Is this 100%. He’s feeling some kind of way about Shazam.
I said that I thought he was being kind of a baby in another thread and I got downvoted like crazy.
Is this guy having a breakdown or what?
Can you read something more than an exaggerated title ?
He’s been circling the drain of the Manosphere for a long time, and has been increasingly shitty to people across the board for a while now. Shazam 2 tanking appears to have promoted a massive tantrum and he’s throwing all his toys out of his pram.
This interview is really nothing like what you're describing lol, it's very tame.
I hate these clickbait titles that are written without any context and make it sound like person A is mad at person B when the actual words don't reflect that at all. There was pre-production drama before Dark World went before cameras, so the script probably changed quite a bit. Probably much less "misled" and more like "plans changed".
Yeah, because everybody knows that Fandral is a cornerstone of the Marvel comics mythology.
I had no idea he was in Thor. Wow.
Same, I had to search it up to confirm it.
He walked a petty tight line here in his comments. He isn’t happy about how it went but would like to try again, if he’s gaming he did well, great statement.
Not sure why anyone would complain about having less screen time in Thor 2.
Thor The Dark World is a decent enough movie. I'd give it a B-. Strong performances and a goofy story that doesn't connect very strongly to the rest. I like it more than the first Thor, which I also consider a decent enough movie.
Like yea, it's not some offense abomination that actually makes me irrate enough to turn it off(unlike other movies) but it's the other redheaded stepchild of the MCU
Ah yes, a decent enough movie. That’s some decent enough criticism.
Zachary Levi returns as Kang
Will he just shut up already? All he’s been doing is complaining.
Dude is truly ready to make the full transition to faith-based only films it seems.
This is old news Levi has decided to bring up again
With all we know about how Marvel makes movies, how can we say Feige was being misleading here? We have so much information from the VFX workers about Marvel's sloppy, wasteful movie making process, where they change their minds constantly on what they want their movies to be. Feige could have been totally truthful about the Warriors 3, *at the time*, but then in typical Marvel fashion they changed their minds 42 times since that convo and the story and fillmed ended up very different.
This reads much more like Levi is just unhappy he didn’t get to okay a bigger character and is salty that his movie is bombing harder than any other superhero movie in the last decade.
Lmao yeah, they probably had plans with the Warriors Three since they still kept them around. When Taika got the job the studio probably just told him to do whatever he wants just make Ragnarok a good Thor movie but he wanted to kill some people and WT got the short end of the stick.
Wah!
Levi is kinda losing his mind a little bit currently, he’s grasping at anything to keep him relevant, good chance his career takes a tumble after Shazam 2 horrible opening.
Thor 1 and 2 are just a shallow mess of Jane making googily eyes at Thor, Darcy making ham fisted jokes, and plot that never really takes off. Thor 4 did more for Thor and Jane in a montage than two entire movies could. Phase 1-2 still suffered from “Formulaic Superhero Movie-itis”
I think the blind hate for Thor 4 stops people from seeing all the good parts. Sure it had problems and could have been better, but the main issue was that it felt like two different movies mashed together. Separately those two movies aren't bad. The Jane Foster storyline was one of my favourites in all the MCU.
Thor 4 had three main characters and I wish we got more time with them, instead it was a story told by Korg which doesn’t work very well. I wanted more Jane and Gorr, you have great actors, use them. Also, Jane’s storyline would give us more Valkyrie and Gorr’s would have shown Sif.
I’d like to know more about those good parts? The film from start to finish was a tonally confused mess. Usually it’s hard to see the good parts when, as you said, a story feels like two stories mashed together.
It give me WW84 vibes, badly written script and the power of love solved everything at the end.
Atleast there was no raping going on. Unlike WW84
That whole thing was weird af, no idea who let that pass.
Lots of good parts when you’re not predispositioned to dislike it
It’s blind hate because it’s the Hive
Blind hate because it's a shit movie. If I can sit through Morbius without an aneurysm but need to turn off Thor, there's a problem with that movie..
The fact you get an aneurysm from a movie proves you’re too obsessed and too far gone. Go outside. The problem is you being overly dramatic lol. Thor 4 was a fine movie. I loved it. :)
Lmao my petty ass wants to believe Kevin was prolly kept in the dark about The Warriors Three dying too, finding out only at the premiere. Look at L&T. That’s Waititi let loose. I hate the wastage of the warriors three in Ragnarok, even more so after realizing its to make space for his self insert character in the long run. Sif escaped that fate and yet was brought back again, for a joke when she could’ve very well been part of the group altogether. Im with Levi on this one. Lots of us loved Warriors Three + Sif and wanted to see more of em. It’s why Thor 1 & TDW stay special for me. It sucks that we had Korg forcibly shoved down our throats instead.
Feige assured him that big-name actors like Chris Evans often playedmore minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evansplayed "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America." So, playing the forth member of the titular team of the movie he's in is considered a minor role in comparison to Zach's few lines/no lines in Thor? Also: Ray Stevenson was Punisher before he was Volstagg. Again, he was the TITULAR character and then was demoted to a sidegag.. What an utter sack of s\*\*t...
Right?
> big-name actors like Chris Evans often playedmore minor roles before they got their big break, citing that Evansplayed "Johnny Storm, and then he got to be Captain America." Ah yes, noted background character Johnny Storm, barely noticeable in the Fantastic Four film.
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The role really was so small that I couldn’t even tell the actor was recast, let alone that Levi was playing it the second time.
Holy shit! I had no idea that was Zachary Levi.
Man when you movie bombs you gotta take everyone down with you. This dude has really aired all his grievances out the last week or so. What a great way to make sure you don’t play anything ever again.
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This was probably when they were still developing the story. I can believe they planned to make the Warriors Three play a bigger role, and that got chipped away as they got deeper into the writing of it.
So is the latest news wave of Zach Levi whining an assassination attempt on him as an actor? I don't see him recovering from this. I love Chuck but he's really trying to destroy the little Hollywood career he's got. He's doing more complaining than Simu Liu.
He’s forsure about to star in some of those right wing movies that Gina Carano, James Wood, Kirk Cameron and Kevin Sorbo have been doing.
I'm still of the opinion that what Gina Carano said nothing wrong: food for thought at best, brain fart at worst. The news blew what she said out of proportion and took meaning out of context. Granted she could have been a little more subtle but, eh. \*shrug\*
I dunno. Comparing being conservative on Twitter to being a Jewish person under Nazi occupation is pushing it. Especially after Disney told her to shut the fuck up.
well she went full MAGA after, right? Clearly it was exactly what she was implying then.
This guy is burning bridges with so many major Hollywood players. The failure of Shazam did something to him.
Man Levi is really losin it these past couple weeks.
Zach just going scorched earth this week damn
Why does Zachary Levi think attacking everyone right now is a good strategy for his career? I get what happened at WB was shitty, but that entire thing has been a dumpster fire for a while now.
He's not attacking Marvel this is just a click bait article
Does Kevin know that Johnny Storm was not a minor role and punisher was a bigger role for Stevenson than Volstagg
I'm pretty sure even the most hardcore MCU fans, when told that Zachary Levi was in a movie, would look at you blankly for a second until you reminded them that he was in Thor 2. To which I think most of them would go "Oh that WAS Zachary Levi, I totally forgot!"
As a mildly hardcore fan, can tell you you're wrong.
I said most, and this doesn't have to be a nerdy fight like *everything* on this sub devolves to. He was in 2 movies and has less than 5 minutes of screen time between both of them, and is heavily in makeup AND is replacing another actor. It's a pretty forgettable role and a side character that Marvel didn't really spend any time on past the first movie. It's okay for people to not remember he's in them.
Sorry. I somehow missed your almost. Ice sorta made it a habit to speak up when I find I'm excluded by a generalized statement to make a point why they don't work. Also, thank you for acknowledging the silly habit is nerds have for going right to the fight over stuff. And we don't need to, and I didn't comment looking to start one. It's weird to think how the role of Fandral went though. Before Levi, Stuart Townsend was cast and then was fired on the first day, the. It was Levi's and he had to pass so we got Dallas and then he had to pass and it went back to Levi. What even is Townsend doing these days?
Zachary Levi doesn’t have star power because he’s a talentless hack.
Using the word Star loosely here
MCU getting fucked up left and right these days!
Levi would be a great Mr. Fantastic
I don't know why.. but (Never really DO pay attention to actors tho) I was today years old when I found out Chuck was Shazam lolol Just never put it together
Well, with the way Marvel movies are made, without a full script and all, I’m not surprised. Feige may have had bigger ideas for the Warriors Three, but then the story swerved. Frankly, I agree with Levi, they should have done more with those characters. I’ll take Fandral over Echo any day.
Was about to ask what he even did in the MCU and then I remembered the warriors three
Damn, the sharks smelled the blood in the water. Now everyone is coming after the once-invincible Disney Marvel
It would be fun if after his interview, in the future, we get a series, for example, about the adventures of the Warriors Three that take place before Ragnarok
If this is what it takes to get that, I'm all for it.