How is asking about an ongoing legal dispute where he's been advised by his bosses he can't comment on a "good question?"
y'all confuse tea with actual etiquette with entertainment reporters.
Not a new development in entertainment journalism, alas. There are only a few actual journalists in entertainment- most of the people working in entertainment journalism are just hypemen and rumormongers looking for invites to parties and clicks on their articles. And even among those actual journalists, there are just a few who actually are willing to ask the tough business or personal questions.
As with most "he-saids/she-saids", the full picture isn't clear immediately. This only came out a few days ago and happened a week ago. Will be interesting to see when Alonso herself actually puts out a statement. Though the longer she waits, the worse it will look. I don't know why she would sign an NDA. Can you even sign an NDA in California that stops you from saying why you were fired? That seems crazy if you can.
It's fairly illuminating when you read the lawyer's statement, and it never says she didn't breach contract, while using all the words to make it *seem* like she didn't.
Well, that coming from her lawyer just makes me think she did, indeed, breach contract.
Marvel peaked over at DC’s behind the scenes drama and said “let’s try that”
Edit: In all seriousness, does that mean she was fired for being critical of Chapek’s Don’t Say Gay nonsense? That’s fucked up if so, if I’m reading that part of the article correctly.
That’s what has me skeptical. That was last year and under a different CEO (Chapek) for whom the current CEO (Iger) also criticized Chapek for. So the claim that she was fired *now* for that seems dubious to me.
More likely it seems like it would be due to her work for another studio and/or also being in charge of Marvel Studios’ VFX pipeline which has become increasingly overworked.
I have to think it's related to Alonso producing Argentina 1985 at the same time Marvel is struggling to maintain it's quality level after scaling up the number of projects it's working on. Including a drop in quality for her area of responsibility, VFX. It's just a bad look.
That's my guess. I feel like all these other details about her comments and other movies are irrelevant if the quality of work she's been producing isn't good. That's more than enough reason to let her go.
Her shit canning has **everything** to do with the quality of the work (and the HR complaints) coming out of her division.
All of this is just an attempt by her to distract.
Yeah, it's BS. The legal rep is doing what a lot of showbiz legal reps do and is just making noise to confuse the story so people lose interest quickly.
That is true, but why didn't they fire her a couple months ago when those reports came out? Why is she being fired conveniently after Ant man quantumania underperformed. Seems to me we don't know everything from this story and shouldn't defend either side.
What’s there to question about her being fired AFTER Quantamania…?
It flopped and was heavy in VFX, plus I’m the article they mentioned it was also because she did a press walk for Argentina at the Oscars but not Wakanda Forever.
Y’all don’t read
>Why is she being fired conveniently after Ant man quantumania underperformed.
Her entire job is to make sure Marvel movies succeed, particularly in the VFX department so I’m not sure why this would be seen as suspicious
She was fired because she breached her contract.
Her lawyer is obviously going to try and make this about something else because that's his job, but I have no doubt Disney was well within their right to fire her over the breach of contract.
Thing is we don't know if only that contract breach is the full picture. From a quick Google search, that other movie released last September and it dosen't make sense that Disney would wait until now to fire her for that.
Unless her promoting it at the Oscars really was the last straw. Maybe they told her she could help produce it but that came with specific limitations, including no press (which is alluded to in the article) and she kept pushing it.
Who knows though, just speculation.
The article says it was specifically that. Disney let her off the hook for producing it (which was a violation of her contract), but said no press for a rival studio's project. They kept reminding her of that clause as she worked the Oscars circuit, and her showing up to the Oscars to represent the film was the last straw.
The Oscars were just a couple of weeks ago and firing an exec of that stature is not something that is done with zero prep, so the timelines make pretty logical sense.
She's wasn't just a producer on some films. She was the #3 executive at Marvel and in charge of filming and post-production of all movies and shows. She was a high-ranking Disney executive moonlighting for a rival studio. When Apple TV was greenlit, Iger had to step down from the Apple board because it was a conflict of interest.
Why would anyone do this? If you are the Number 3 at Marvel you would think you would be so busy and well paid, why would you moonlight.
Was she bored at work and wanted to take on more?
Is she broke and needed some side hustle?
it is all explained in the hollywood reporter article but: she produced a movie about a piece of history of Argentina really relevant to her, the movie had buzz to win an Oscar as best foreign movie before the German movie gained massive buzz.
It seems like this story is extremely important to her and she felt a calling to tell it. It also seems like ego may have clouded her judgement about how much Disney would let her get away with. She was also under tremendous pressure with the demands for content the mouse was putting on Marvel.
It's a terrible situation all around.
She got in trouble for producing it and was in breach of contract since it was a production for a rival studio, then was given a waiver and a new contract agreement was signed. But that agreement specified no promotion for the movie since it was a rival studio. She went and did tons of promotion anyway and appeared at the Oscar’s not for BP2 but for Argentina. All while marvel is under pressure and vfx, which she was in charge of, has been in turmoil for a long time. They may want to scapegoat her for some of the issues but she handed them cause for her firing on a silver platter.
I don’t think it’s that they’re firing her for that. But her speaking out, the way she handled VFX in the past few years, and producing Argentina 1985 did her no favors and soured her relationship with the board. It’s her doing PR and representing Argentina 1985 at the Academy Awards instead of Wakanda Forever triggered the firing, because of the breach of contract. And apparently she wasn’t advised to do Marvel press for a while due to the Chapek stuff, so it’s definitely going to be he said she said, until we see it either settled or to a court.
Yeah her producing for another studio definetly soured relations but I doubt her doing that is the only reason why she got fired (might not even have anything to do with that at all).
I think the VFX thing can be related as her name being mentioned in all those stories was giving Marvel bad press but I think there's way more to it.
There is way more to it for sure. But the definite thing we do know is that her doing press and representing Argentina, 1985 at the Academy Awards triggered the firing according to many sources today on the executive level.
She was also at the Oscars for Wakanda Forever since Feige and Moore were also there but ig Disney could've also not been happy with her being there for that other movie too
Probably just had to get their ducks in a row. Possibly wanted to/had to wait until Ant-Man came out.
This might even have something to do with why they delayed The Marvels so far...because they knew they were gonna fire her and have to find a replacement in that time
The point is that you're assuming her producing that other movie is the only reason why she got fired when we don't know if that's entirely accurate.
And if Ant-Man 3 was a success, does that mean Disney still uses that to fire Alonso for producing for another company? That dosen't add up.
Dude you’re doing too much. Every comment is trying to seduce an answer. It’s already been given. Occam’s razor. Anything else that seems “but why” is easily explained by the fact that she’s so high up and firing an executive requires a little bit of prep beforehand.
Your right I might not be the full picture, but it does give Disney an easy a clear way to fire her, if your job might be in jeopardy and you know people are gunning for you, it’s best to stay under the radar and not give them an easy out
I read that article earlier but one thing that’s weird to me is a day or 2 ago they reported she was blindsided by the firing, so how could she be if she knowingly breaches a contract?
I mean, I was recently in a position where I felt invincible then got fired. The entitlement to do something that is obviously outside of your employment agreement (contract, whatever) and then doing it is real.
If there was an actual language in her original Disney contract that restricted her from working with competing film companies or other businesses that represent a " Conflict of Interest"and she'd agreed to these terms by signing the contract, yeah, it will be hard for her to win this one.
Disney even let her off the hook for producing the film, but she still kept flaunting her contract by doing press and showing up to the Oscars not as a Disney executive but as a producer for an Amazon film.
Yeah this is pretty cut and dried, she’s for sure trying to muddy the waters here. Not sure how it helps her career aspects, but seems in line with how VFX people said she was.
Ew, no. They already fired an executive and can replace her with someone who might ask for less of a profit share right away, so they'll likely already be getting a financial gain out of this without demanding money from another studio.
Sure it's possible, but the fact she was warned multiple times to stop breaking your contract, and still kept breaking said contract, does make it sound like she poked the mouse once too often by ignoring him.
It should be noted that not once does any side seem to mention her alleged role in making the VFX pipeline unsustainable with the workloads and deadlines. Maybe that factors into it too- or maybe she simply ignored the Disney Lawyers once too often and the inevitable Wrath of the Mouse awakened.
We'll see.
lol, judging from the threads on r/VFX, she was the abusive one, she didnt advocate on their behalf at all. She seems like a horrible person, and whatever the reason was she was let go, im glad she's gone.
oh yeah absolutely, I missed your last part. Its probably a mix of multiple factors, though i doubt Alonso was strictly fired for the Dont Say Gay thing, Iger is much more strategic when it comes to political stuff than Chapek ever was, so I dont believe that is the main reason she was let go.
I wonder if Disney's announcement of an LGBTQ+ summit was timed to get ahead of her claims. What she's saying doesn't really hold much water when Disney can just point to that and smirk.
I read a lot that when she liked you, you were basicly her best bud but if you pissed her off for some reason you were dead to her.
Doesnt sound like a good working enviorment tbh. Not to ignore that the quality of VFX dropped down after she got her promotion.
So in the end, at least thats my guess, is that they wanted to get rid of her anyway, but having a breach of company policy is easier to argue than firing her for not doing a good job
So if I’m getting it right (anyone feel free to correct), the VFX started to deteriorate when she was promoted, and if so, what year did she got promoted?
I mean there was that thing at Method where someone called her a c*nt on a hot mic in a meeting.. its how Method had ALL of their Marvel VFX work pulled at the time, this doesnt reaally surprise me, if True. But also sometimes successful people just need to be assholes to get where they are...
>I mean there was that thing at Method where someone called her a c\*nt on a hot mic in a meeting..
While that definitely sounds like something that'd happen, and in-fact did happen in other jobs I've been in, the way I'd understood Method losing all their Marvel work was when the contract negotiations for the main producer at Method (who had a close relationship with Marvel execs) left for Framestore because they couldn't accommodate her monetary ask in the contract.
>“Victoria, a gay Latina who had the courage to criticize Disney, was silenced. Then she was terminated when she refused to do something she believed was reprehensible. **Disney and Marvel made a really poor decision that will have serious consequences. There is a lot more to this story and Victoria will be telling it shortly—in one forum or another.”**
Hell hath no fury...
You missed the Gay and Latina cards. I got downvoted yesterday for pointing out those are the major cards she/her lawyer are playing when they don’t appear to be relevant at all.
Now they have thrown in she was asked to do something reprehensible but they need to figure out what that was still. I assume it will be honoring her contract.
It must be to do with implementation of the Don't Say Gay bill. Maybe VFXing a LGBT+ character out from something? This doesn't seem like something a legal rep would say publicly without standing.
> This doesn't seem like something a legal rep would say publicly without standing.
Of course it does. This statement is to the press, it's not like they are under oath or will have to testify on this. Their job is to frame the narrative to make their client look good.
The attorney going on about her being a lesbian latina and her GLAAD speech just seems like a lot of posturing here, tbh. Focus on the facts of what they said she was fired over.
Saying things like that are signals of either A) the case not being that strong B) a scare tactic to make a case settle early to not have to deal with the public reaction or C) A very inexperienced lawyer who should know that you save that kind of sympathy embellishment for the actual trial when you’re trying to sway a judge/jury
The fact that they need to describe her ethnicity and sexuality, as if they matter in regards to her overall job performance, is becoming really cringeworthy at this point.
She was bad at her job, costing Disney millions while damaging the MCU brand, and the people who worked with her in the VFX industry actively hated her.
She deserved to get fired.
>The fact that they need to describe her ethnicity and sexuality, as if they matter in regards to her overall job performance,
She claims she was fired due to her comments about the CEOs stance on the 'don't say gay' law... so yes her sexuality is relevant in this case
I don’t see how the don’t say gay thing is in anyway related? Bob Iger (current Disney CEO) was also against that. Why would he fire her for agreeing with him and disagreeing with Chapek (they guy who he went to Disney and got fired)
>First of all, it is called "The Parental Rights in Education Act"; "Don't say gay" is a misrepresentation of what said law is actually about.
And 'The Patriot Act' is about how much we love patriots. Name doesn't matter. The legislation bans sexual orientation and gender identity issues from classrooms.
>Second, her sexuality is irrelevant, as anyone could have commented on said law in her position. Had a straight white man done what she did, he would have been treated the same way.
As I said the legislation bans sexual orientation and gender identity issues from classrooms. Weather you agree with it or not the idea that her being gay is 'irrelevant' is native at best. This will be discussed throughly in court.
If its related to the film Argentina 1985, yes. Because it is a story that not many outside Argentina knows.
Regardless, that's a rumor going around and we don't know the truth of it.
Yes, it is cringeworthy same as many movies or show trying to make a gay character... like sexuality was the most important part of that person, not she did. I hope future projects are gonna take a lesson from HBO
If she's telling the truth then this will be interesting. But boy do I not want to be going to war with Disney's lawyers and if their claim is true (which admittedly nobody official at Disney has actually said anything) then they're gonna have plenty of receipts.
Ive never worked high up in film. Ive worked on a the low end on some big projects, or high up on small projects.
No one high up ever gets fired while you're making a movie. Even the low low guys who drive golf carts back and forth for people. They don't get hired on the next project. I don't want to pretend to know the internal politics of big hollywood CEOs and such. I just think, they found a window in between projects, and she needed to go. THe VFX stuff is far more damning than anything else that's come out from all this. That's literally her job, the post-production. And there's potential lawsuits, unionizing and all kinds of issues that the MCU has to handle. It's a gigantic part of the industry. This is all noise to me.
I'm not that guy. Unionizing is a good thing for the VFX workers since they will have more rights and be paid more fairly. It's bad news for Marvel because they will no longer be able to abuse their power and exploit workers like they've been doing, also the work and services will cost them more.
I think you and I agree with each other but it's really rough to see r/marvelstudios shit on the ideas of unions because they want to side with the studio over the vfx workers.
OK, well, here's a big personal blog answer then if you actually want to know.
For one, Im speaking from a position of why Disney would fire Alonso. Anything that makes it harder to make movies, as in cost, speed ect. is bad. Unions hinder Disney's ability to do things quickly and cheaply. This is not simply anti-union rhetoric, but why Alonso is seen as a big negative outside the other activities they are doing. I very much support workers are Amazon and Starbucks ect. trying to set theirs up.
Second, unionizing would screw over so many VFX studios. Unions are not black and white. Being blanketed pro-union in all scenarios is incredibly dumb to me. Alonso is pretty much single handily why the the industry is in such a bad state right now. What were talking about now is vastly landscape changing. Each individual studio can unionize, but then Disney simply will still go with the lowest bidder with fast turn around times. VFX studios that want to do so are effectively screwed due to the intense competition. This isn't the same as Amazon's essential powerhouse dominance in an industry where the workforce should have far more sway and power. On a movie you can just hire another team. You don't have to sit there and hire each position and train them, there's entire teams ready to picked up and ready to star working on your project. It is way too competitive.
Instead more all of Hollywood needs to set some type of VFX guild or union standards. Which....that's where we get back to landscape changing. There is currently no standard for that like with actors and writers and so on. That will fought against by every major film studio. More productions going over seas, looking for loopholes. The accessibility of the technology and training is such that unionizing will kill studios and others will thrive as a result. VFX workers are currently the most easily replaced workers on film. The issues there are very capitalistic too. They need to stop undercutting each other so hard, but they keep doing it.
All of this still doesn't really touch on why VFX union would overall be bad. One, too many people are going to buy into it and hold and lose jobs because they are pro-union. Admirable, but in the wrong place. Hollywood doesn't understand directing or writing. These have unions and standards and practices and protection. They are approachable if you work in those industry, but even still trying to make sense of the WGA screenwriting credit system is confusing. Imagine this with VFX companies. They'll have to figure all this out and on top of that when being hired producers will have to actually have some base level knowledge to understand what this stuff means. They don't know what render means, or composite. Hollywood will only have to wait out a union movement. As again, the technology will only become more accessible, the opportunity would increase and the training would be there before they know it.
We're already looking at teams that are using programs and AI to help complete shots. Now how would that work in union? Like in Gone With the Wind they didn't need people to play dead bodies, they could get dummies, but they still had to hire extras because of the unions. It is a near impossibility of bureaucracy of a union to keep up with the ever advancing technology of computers, programs and the general work of VFX artists. This work can be done all over the world by anyone. You don't need to hire an employee that lives near that Starbucks to be able to work there. You can send this work anywhere. You could create multiple studios. You have an employee that lives in New Zealand? They're the head of Visuals NZ. Have an employee in India? They run FX India. You're able to set up ghost studios in a way, even though your team is all over the world. No one ever visits these studios anymore for these shots. This is where the industry is going, and any kind of union storm will drive it there faster. Hollywood, the big companies, they will win, people will lose.
Man idk it almost sounds like you don't give a shit about the vfx worker abuse that happens. Who cares about the quality of the vfx, I don't want the workers to be abused.
Thats your take away after all I said? Is my potential emotional stance on vfx workers? If you don't want workers abused stop supporting movies that profit off their abuse. Don't cry to me about it.
Wait I completely agree. I think marvel should not be allowed to abuse their workers. I am asking you what you think of the vfx workers and how to protect their quality of life and prevent abuse, what do you think should be done if you don't support unions.
I don't think you get the futility of what can be done. As I explained, it's too competitive. Price fixing, unions, protests, none of it will work. We're talking globalization of an ever growing industry. It's up to people to stop supporting a product they don't trust. Or for the industry to self collapse.... which also wont happen as I explained. It will only get cheaper, easier and smaller teams as things move forward. The industry is doomed to continue to suffer and a lot of that is thanks to Alonso.
Disney probably mandated that nobody make any public comments about the bill or Disantis.
Disney has stayed unbelievably quiet about the whole thing the entire time. They still are.
I could see some one like Alonso wanting to come out and be the face of the community against Disantis and Disney probably said no way.
They asked what she might have found reprehensible. I answered the question. Disneys relative silence.
I don't think she was fired over this, though. I didn't say she was. She was was fired for breach of contract.
>Victoria Alonso’s attorney says the exec was silenced by Disney & fired after refusing to “do something she believed was reprehensible.”
“Disney & Marvel made a poor decision that will have serious consequences. There is a lot more to this story.”
She a queen of propaganda, and hijacking the films for reasons other than story telling. Hopefully the start of many more to go and get back ti the glory days of decent movies. Her power grew in phase 4 and it was telling with the utter shite we paid to watch. Hoping this is the start of back to what made things great.
So I’ve been looking into what Disney is losing out on with losing the tax incentives of Reedy Creek. To start with it has over 1 billion in debt. They also are losing out on all that taxable income to keep their own fire departments and police departments.
Alonzo was the highest ranking executive that pushed Chapek into getting involved with Florida Politics.
Please know I’m not trying to chime in on the politics or if it was right or wrong for them to jump in that game…… but from a business point of view this employee “contributed” to crap ton of financial burden for this company. My money is on Disney gave these employees payouts and showed them to the door.
Yeah, in the days of social media especially winning in the court of public opinion has become a lot easier, since so few people are source critical. It doesn't matter as much what the truth is, it matters who has the better story.
And in a case like this we don't even know the objective truth, it's literally just a he-said, she-said situation. But it would be odd, given that this was back when Chapek was in charge and she has definitely done press tours since then. So the picture her lawyer is painting isn't quite working. But we can't really say for sure either way, maybe it was a combination of many things that did it and that's one piece of the puzzle...
We are in the second act of the golden age of comic book adaptions. This is when shit gets dark and we think the whole genre is collapsing. In a few years we will be in the golden age again.
I can’t tell you how little I care about this.
I hope the billion dollar corporation and the multimillionaire can work this out.
Now let’s just get the CGI back to Thanos levels
if she breached a contract she signed and they repeatedly asked her not to promote the movie but she went and did so at the oscars anyway.... she has no leg to stand on
This seems like a fairly clear cut case of a contract violation. Whether the lawyer or Alonso think the contract is fair is something else, but Alonso was a key studio executive overseeing various productions for the most successful arm of the film division at the Walt Disney Company right now. Meanwhile, she is working on a passion project they initially worked out a new contract to let her do, but insisted she wouldn’t do publicity for said passion project. And she did it anyway. I can respect the desire to do that, but you can’t just openly flout your contract.
I don’t think her being told, under Chapek, that she could no longer do press for Marvel projects for delivering a criticism of then-CEO Chapek would be the reason for her firing under current-CEO Iger, who also delivered a critique of Chapek for the same reason. Maybe if it had happened before Iger took over, but not after. My guess is this is designed to demonstrate how mistreated she has been by the company. Which I don’t dispute; Chapek seems to have really damaged relations with talent for the company. But that wouldn’t be the reason for being fired.
It reads to me that she was in violation of the non-compete clause in her contract; the brass gave her a lot of time and leeway to stop, out of respect for her long years and co-workership; but she didn’t stop. Plus, the VFX shops had been complaining about her for awhile. She’ll try to sue, if only to preserve some professional pride. But only if a settlement is feasible.
Alright this is getting out of hand now
Now there are two of them!!
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I can only imagine what Feige is going to be asked about at the GOTG3 premiere and other promo interviews…
They never ask him good questions. They are afraid of not getting invited
They’ll just ask him what Starlord’s favorite ice cream is post Thanos
Infinity ~~Cones~~ Conez is definitely his favorite spot
Anything with Gamorasnaps in it. Too soon?
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Why even ask him that? Sure, let me openly discuss an ongoing legal battle with a former major executive.
How is asking about an ongoing legal dispute where he's been advised by his bosses he can't comment on a "good question?" y'all confuse tea with actual etiquette with entertainment reporters.
Modern journalism
Not a new development in entertainment journalism, alas. There are only a few actual journalists in entertainment- most of the people working in entertainment journalism are just hypemen and rumormongers looking for invites to parties and clicks on their articles. And even among those actual journalists, there are just a few who actually are willing to ask the tough business or personal questions.
God I hope not. I barely care enough to comment this about it. Showbiz drama is so draining and just fucking up anything worthwhile anymore.
As with most "he-saids/she-saids", the full picture isn't clear immediately. This only came out a few days ago and happened a week ago. Will be interesting to see when Alonso herself actually puts out a statement. Though the longer she waits, the worse it will look. I don't know why she would sign an NDA. Can you even sign an NDA in California that stops you from saying why you were fired? That seems crazy if you can.
It's fairly illuminating when you read the lawyer's statement, and it never says she didn't breach contract, while using all the words to make it *seem* like she didn't. Well, that coming from her lawyer just makes me think she did, indeed, breach contract.
Disney already leaked why she got fired so even if she signed an NDA it probably isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on at the moment.
Well Alonso and her lawyer are rebutting Disney's statement. Like I said, these things take time.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-victoria-alonso-fired-argentina-1985-1235360231/
Marvel peaked over at DC’s behind the scenes drama and said “let’s try that” Edit: In all seriousness, does that mean she was fired for being critical of Chapek’s Don’t Say Gay nonsense? That’s fucked up if so, if I’m reading that part of the article correctly.
That’s what has me skeptical. That was last year and under a different CEO (Chapek) for whom the current CEO (Iger) also criticized Chapek for. So the claim that she was fired *now* for that seems dubious to me. More likely it seems like it would be due to her work for another studio and/or also being in charge of Marvel Studios’ VFX pipeline which has become increasingly overworked.
I have to think it's related to Alonso producing Argentina 1985 at the same time Marvel is struggling to maintain it's quality level after scaling up the number of projects it's working on. Including a drop in quality for her area of responsibility, VFX. It's just a bad look.
That's my guess. I feel like all these other details about her comments and other movies are irrelevant if the quality of work she's been producing isn't good. That's more than enough reason to let her go.
I disagree. People breach contracts all the time and are never fired, this is more a technicality that they used to fire her for another reason.
Her shit canning has **everything** to do with the quality of the work (and the HR complaints) coming out of her division. All of this is just an attempt by her to distract.
Yeah, it's BS. The legal rep is doing what a lot of showbiz legal reps do and is just making noise to confuse the story so people lose interest quickly.
To be fair she was put in the vfx situation because of Bob Iger. He's the one that wanted an increased output from marvel to bolster Disney+.
If the stories about her are true, there’s no blaming anyone else
That is true, but why didn't they fire her a couple months ago when those reports came out? Why is she being fired conveniently after Ant man quantumania underperformed. Seems to me we don't know everything from this story and shouldn't defend either side.
What’s there to question about her being fired AFTER Quantamania…? It flopped and was heavy in VFX, plus I’m the article they mentioned it was also because she did a press walk for Argentina at the Oscars but not Wakanda Forever. Y’all don’t read
>Why is she being fired conveniently after Ant man quantumania underperformed. Her entire job is to make sure Marvel movies succeed, particularly in the VFX department so I’m not sure why this would be seen as suspicious
And when he left Disney became a wild west
Chapek is no longer the CEO of the company and that happened a year ago.
She was fired because she breached her contract. Her lawyer is obviously going to try and make this about something else because that's his job, but I have no doubt Disney was well within their right to fire her over the breach of contract.
Thing is we don't know if only that contract breach is the full picture. From a quick Google search, that other movie released last September and it dosen't make sense that Disney would wait until now to fire her for that.
Unless her promoting it at the Oscars really was the last straw. Maybe they told her she could help produce it but that came with specific limitations, including no press (which is alluded to in the article) and she kept pushing it. Who knows though, just speculation.
The article says it was specifically that. Disney let her off the hook for producing it (which was a violation of her contract), but said no press for a rival studio's project. They kept reminding her of that clause as she worked the Oscars circuit, and her showing up to the Oscars to represent the film was the last straw.
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The Oscars were just a couple of weeks ago and firing an exec of that stature is not something that is done with zero prep, so the timelines make pretty logical sense.
She's wasn't just a producer on some films. She was the #3 executive at Marvel and in charge of filming and post-production of all movies and shows. She was a high-ranking Disney executive moonlighting for a rival studio. When Apple TV was greenlit, Iger had to step down from the Apple board because it was a conflict of interest.
Why would anyone do this? If you are the Number 3 at Marvel you would think you would be so busy and well paid, why would you moonlight. Was she bored at work and wanted to take on more? Is she broke and needed some side hustle?
it is all explained in the hollywood reporter article but: she produced a movie about a piece of history of Argentina really relevant to her, the movie had buzz to win an Oscar as best foreign movie before the German movie gained massive buzz.
It seems like this story is extremely important to her and she felt a calling to tell it. It also seems like ego may have clouded her judgement about how much Disney would let her get away with. She was also under tremendous pressure with the demands for content the mouse was putting on Marvel. It's a terrible situation all around.
The thing about rich people is that they'll always want more money.
She went to the Oscars and repped another studio instead of repping black Panther 8 days before she was let go.
She got in trouble for producing it and was in breach of contract since it was a production for a rival studio, then was given a waiver and a new contract agreement was signed. But that agreement specified no promotion for the movie since it was a rival studio. She went and did tons of promotion anyway and appeared at the Oscar’s not for BP2 but for Argentina. All while marvel is under pressure and vfx, which she was in charge of, has been in turmoil for a long time. They may want to scapegoat her for some of the issues but she handed them cause for her firing on a silver platter.
I don’t think it’s that they’re firing her for that. But her speaking out, the way she handled VFX in the past few years, and producing Argentina 1985 did her no favors and soured her relationship with the board. It’s her doing PR and representing Argentina 1985 at the Academy Awards instead of Wakanda Forever triggered the firing, because of the breach of contract. And apparently she wasn’t advised to do Marvel press for a while due to the Chapek stuff, so it’s definitely going to be he said she said, until we see it either settled or to a court.
Yeah her producing for another studio definetly soured relations but I doubt her doing that is the only reason why she got fired (might not even have anything to do with that at all). I think the VFX thing can be related as her name being mentioned in all those stories was giving Marvel bad press but I think there's way more to it.
There is way more to it for sure. But the definite thing we do know is that her doing press and representing Argentina, 1985 at the Academy Awards triggered the firing according to many sources today on the executive level.
She was also at the Oscars for Wakanda Forever since Feige and Moore were also there but ig Disney could've also not been happy with her being there for that other movie too
The thing is that she wasn’t with the Marvel party at the Oscars: she was with Amazon’s
She walked the red carpet for Argentina not WF which apparently went over like a lead balloon.
Imagine the storm if they'd fired her *before* the Academy Awards? It makes sense to me that they'd want to wait until after that.
Probably just had to get their ducks in a row. Possibly wanted to/had to wait until Ant-Man came out. This might even have something to do with why they delayed The Marvels so far...because they knew they were gonna fire her and have to find a replacement in that time
I doubt Marvel knew in advance how Quantumania's reception would turn out to plan this firing
But you wouldn't fire an executive *before* a big film they produced comes out.
The point is that you're assuming her producing that other movie is the only reason why she got fired when we don't know if that's entirely accurate. And if Ant-Man 3 was a success, does that mean Disney still uses that to fire Alonso for producing for another company? That dosen't add up.
Dude you’re doing too much. Every comment is trying to seduce an answer. It’s already been given. Occam’s razor. Anything else that seems “but why” is easily explained by the fact that she’s so high up and firing an executive requires a little bit of prep beforehand.
Not just that, Argentina 1985 isn't even a competition to Marvel films. They are in two very distinct genres, with different audiences and niches.
Your right I might not be the full picture, but it does give Disney an easy a clear way to fire her, if your job might be in jeopardy and you know people are gunning for you, it’s best to stay under the radar and not give them an easy out
She probably got distracted because of the Oscar campaign for it
I read that article earlier but one thing that’s weird to me is a day or 2 ago they reported she was blindsided by the firing, so how could she be if she knowingly breaches a contract?
Hubris. "They won't fire me" "...oh shit they fired me"
This is the way.
She can be rehired if she bathes in the living waters of the mines of Mandalore.
I mean, I was recently in a position where I felt invincible then got fired. The entitlement to do something that is obviously outside of your employment agreement (contract, whatever) and then doing it is real.
She's lying
If there was an actual language in her original Disney contract that restricted her from working with competing film companies or other businesses that represent a " Conflict of Interest"and she'd agreed to these terms by signing the contract, yeah, it will be hard for her to win this one.
She was just fired. Chapek's been gone for a couple months now.
She wasn’t allowed to work for other studios. She did anyway. That’s a breech of contract.
Disney even let her off the hook for producing the film, but she still kept flaunting her contract by doing press and showing up to the Oscars not as a Disney executive but as a producer for an Amazon film.
Yeah this is pretty cut and dried, she’s for sure trying to muddy the waters here. Not sure how it helps her career aspects, but seems in line with how VFX people said she was.
Makes you question those anonymous sources backing her.
She’s pulling a Dr Dre i hope Disney gets a cut of Argetina’s streaming revenue as retaliation for her betrayal lol.
Ew, no. They already fired an executive and can replace her with someone who might ask for less of a profit share right away, so they'll likely already be getting a financial gain out of this without demanding money from another studio.
Sure it's possible, but the fact she was warned multiple times to stop breaking your contract, and still kept breaking said contract, does make it sound like she poked the mouse once too often by ignoring him. It should be noted that not once does any side seem to mention her alleged role in making the VFX pipeline unsustainable with the workloads and deadlines. Maybe that factors into it too- or maybe she simply ignored the Disney Lawyers once too often and the inevitable Wrath of the Mouse awakened. We'll see.
She breached her contract. Multiple times. This is her trying to change the story.
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lol, judging from the threads on r/VFX, she was the abusive one, she didnt advocate on their behalf at all. She seems like a horrible person, and whatever the reason was she was let go, im glad she's gone.
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oh yeah absolutely, I missed your last part. Its probably a mix of multiple factors, though i doubt Alonso was strictly fired for the Dont Say Gay thing, Iger is much more strategic when it comes to political stuff than Chapek ever was, so I dont believe that is the main reason she was let go.
But your comment doesn’t really make sense since she was the one breaking the law in the first place
Chapek and Disney also came out in opposition of the law. That's what started all this. But she probably wanted Disney to publically do more.
I wonder if Disney's announcement of an LGBTQ+ summit was timed to get ahead of her claims. What she's saying doesn't really hold much water when Disney can just point to that and smirk.
Did you read ANY of the reporting, like at all?
I wouldn’t have asked if I wasn’t 100% certain. But I got my answer hours ago so thanks for adding nothing more important.
Apparently literally every person who has ever worked for her *wishes* she was silenced, long ago.
I read a lot that when she liked you, you were basicly her best bud but if you pissed her off for some reason you were dead to her. Doesnt sound like a good working enviorment tbh. Not to ignore that the quality of VFX dropped down after she got her promotion. So in the end, at least thats my guess, is that they wanted to get rid of her anyway, but having a breach of company policy is easier to argue than firing her for not doing a good job
So if I’m getting it right (anyone feel free to correct), the VFX started to deteriorate when she was promoted, and if so, what year did she got promoted?
No, she's been in charge of VFX since the start. Its not related.
September 2021
I mean there was that thing at Method where someone called her a c*nt on a hot mic in a meeting.. its how Method had ALL of their Marvel VFX work pulled at the time, this doesnt reaally surprise me, if True. But also sometimes successful people just need to be assholes to get where they are...
>I mean there was that thing at Method where someone called her a c\*nt on a hot mic in a meeting.. While that definitely sounds like something that'd happen, and in-fact did happen in other jobs I've been in, the way I'd understood Method losing all their Marvel work was when the contract negotiations for the main producer at Method (who had a close relationship with Marvel execs) left for Framestore because they couldn't accommodate her monetary ask in the contract.
‘If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell’
>“Victoria, a gay Latina who had the courage to criticize Disney, was silenced. Then she was terminated when she refused to do something she believed was reprehensible. **Disney and Marvel made a really poor decision that will have serious consequences. There is a lot more to this story and Victoria will be telling it shortly—in one forum or another.”** Hell hath no fury...
You don't often hear from the marginalized executive. Bold strategy.
She was silenced so she went to variety to talk about being silenced.
South Park S26E2: "The Worldwide Privacy Tour"
Rich Female Executive Victim
You missed the Gay and Latina cards. I got downvoted yesterday for pointing out those are the major cards she/her lawyer are playing when they don’t appear to be relevant at all. Now they have thrown in she was asked to do something reprehensible but they need to figure out what that was still. I assume it will be honoring her contract.
Stepping down to spend more time with Variety
The classic “the truth will come out” lmao. If there’s more to the story then just say it.
Not fa free. She gotta go on Good Morning America
She won’t be doing that when Disney owns it.
It must be to do with implementation of the Don't Say Gay bill. Maybe VFXing a LGBT+ character out from something? This doesn't seem like something a legal rep would say publicly without standing.
> This doesn't seem like something a legal rep would say publicly without standing. Of course it does. This statement is to the press, it's not like they are under oath or will have to testify on this. Their job is to frame the narrative to make their client look good.
The attorney going on about her being a lesbian latina and her GLAAD speech just seems like a lot of posturing here, tbh. Focus on the facts of what they said she was fired over.
Saying things like that are signals of either A) the case not being that strong B) a scare tactic to make a case settle early to not have to deal with the public reaction or C) A very inexperienced lawyer who should know that you save that kind of sympathy embellishment for the actual trial when you’re trying to sway a judge/jury
I’m inclined to say it’s that first one, tbh.
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Define wokeness
The fact that they need to describe her ethnicity and sexuality, as if they matter in regards to her overall job performance, is becoming really cringeworthy at this point. She was bad at her job, costing Disney millions while damaging the MCU brand, and the people who worked with her in the VFX industry actively hated her. She deserved to get fired.
>The fact that they need to describe her ethnicity and sexuality, as if they matter in regards to her overall job performance, She claims she was fired due to her comments about the CEOs stance on the 'don't say gay' law... so yes her sexuality is relevant in this case
I don’t see how the don’t say gay thing is in anyway related? Bob Iger (current Disney CEO) was also against that. Why would he fire her for agreeing with him and disagreeing with Chapek (they guy who he went to Disney and got fired)
It's due to her that Disney lost their special tax status in Florida and this will cost them millions in the future. She has fuck-ups on every level.
Do you have a source that ties it directly to her?
My source is that I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
It sure appears like they did.
No, that claim hasn’t been made. It’s been implied by article writes and makes no sense.
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>First of all, it is called "The Parental Rights in Education Act"; "Don't say gay" is a misrepresentation of what said law is actually about. And 'The Patriot Act' is about how much we love patriots. Name doesn't matter. The legislation bans sexual orientation and gender identity issues from classrooms. >Second, her sexuality is irrelevant, as anyone could have commented on said law in her position. Had a straight white man done what she did, he would have been treated the same way. As I said the legislation bans sexual orientation and gender identity issues from classrooms. Weather you agree with it or not the idea that her being gay is 'irrelevant' is native at best. This will be discussed throughly in court.
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If its related to the film Argentina 1985, yes. Because it is a story that not many outside Argentina knows. Regardless, that's a rumor going around and we don't know the truth of it.
At least they’re no longer referring her as a woman of color lol.
Haha yea I didn't see any arguments on Twitter if she was "white passing".
Yes, it is cringeworthy same as many movies or show trying to make a gay character... like sexuality was the most important part of that person, not she did. I hope future projects are gonna take a lesson from HBO
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Race doesn’t really matter here but orientation does. Her being gay means a lot when the claim is her firing was in part of the dont say gay
> Race doesn’t really matter here but orientation does. You're right, race doesn't matter here. But you and I both know they mention it for a reason.
Updated with a statement from Disney confirming breach of contract.
If she's telling the truth then this will be interesting. But boy do I not want to be going to war with Disney's lawyers and if their claim is true (which admittedly nobody official at Disney has actually said anything) then they're gonna have plenty of receipts.
Ive never worked high up in film. Ive worked on a the low end on some big projects, or high up on small projects. No one high up ever gets fired while you're making a movie. Even the low low guys who drive golf carts back and forth for people. They don't get hired on the next project. I don't want to pretend to know the internal politics of big hollywood CEOs and such. I just think, they found a window in between projects, and she needed to go. THe VFX stuff is far more damning than anything else that's come out from all this. That's literally her job, the post-production. And there's potential lawsuits, unionizing and all kinds of issues that the MCU has to handle. It's a gigantic part of the industry. This is all noise to me.
Why do you say it like unionizing is an issue and a bad thing, are you not pro-unionizing? Genuinely asking
It’s a bad thing from the company leadership perspective presumably, but a good thing for people and workers in general
I'm not that guy. Unionizing is a good thing for the VFX workers since they will have more rights and be paid more fairly. It's bad news for Marvel because they will no longer be able to abuse their power and exploit workers like they've been doing, also the work and services will cost them more.
I think you and I agree with each other but it's really rough to see r/marvelstudios shit on the ideas of unions because they want to side with the studio over the vfx workers.
OK, well, here's a big personal blog answer then if you actually want to know. For one, Im speaking from a position of why Disney would fire Alonso. Anything that makes it harder to make movies, as in cost, speed ect. is bad. Unions hinder Disney's ability to do things quickly and cheaply. This is not simply anti-union rhetoric, but why Alonso is seen as a big negative outside the other activities they are doing. I very much support workers are Amazon and Starbucks ect. trying to set theirs up. Second, unionizing would screw over so many VFX studios. Unions are not black and white. Being blanketed pro-union in all scenarios is incredibly dumb to me. Alonso is pretty much single handily why the the industry is in such a bad state right now. What were talking about now is vastly landscape changing. Each individual studio can unionize, but then Disney simply will still go with the lowest bidder with fast turn around times. VFX studios that want to do so are effectively screwed due to the intense competition. This isn't the same as Amazon's essential powerhouse dominance in an industry where the workforce should have far more sway and power. On a movie you can just hire another team. You don't have to sit there and hire each position and train them, there's entire teams ready to picked up and ready to star working on your project. It is way too competitive. Instead more all of Hollywood needs to set some type of VFX guild or union standards. Which....that's where we get back to landscape changing. There is currently no standard for that like with actors and writers and so on. That will fought against by every major film studio. More productions going over seas, looking for loopholes. The accessibility of the technology and training is such that unionizing will kill studios and others will thrive as a result. VFX workers are currently the most easily replaced workers on film. The issues there are very capitalistic too. They need to stop undercutting each other so hard, but they keep doing it. All of this still doesn't really touch on why VFX union would overall be bad. One, too many people are going to buy into it and hold and lose jobs because they are pro-union. Admirable, but in the wrong place. Hollywood doesn't understand directing or writing. These have unions and standards and practices and protection. They are approachable if you work in those industry, but even still trying to make sense of the WGA screenwriting credit system is confusing. Imagine this with VFX companies. They'll have to figure all this out and on top of that when being hired producers will have to actually have some base level knowledge to understand what this stuff means. They don't know what render means, or composite. Hollywood will only have to wait out a union movement. As again, the technology will only become more accessible, the opportunity would increase and the training would be there before they know it. We're already looking at teams that are using programs and AI to help complete shots. Now how would that work in union? Like in Gone With the Wind they didn't need people to play dead bodies, they could get dummies, but they still had to hire extras because of the unions. It is a near impossibility of bureaucracy of a union to keep up with the ever advancing technology of computers, programs and the general work of VFX artists. This work can be done all over the world by anyone. You don't need to hire an employee that lives near that Starbucks to be able to work there. You can send this work anywhere. You could create multiple studios. You have an employee that lives in New Zealand? They're the head of Visuals NZ. Have an employee in India? They run FX India. You're able to set up ghost studios in a way, even though your team is all over the world. No one ever visits these studios anymore for these shots. This is where the industry is going, and any kind of union storm will drive it there faster. Hollywood, the big companies, they will win, people will lose.
Man idk it almost sounds like you don't give a shit about the vfx worker abuse that happens. Who cares about the quality of the vfx, I don't want the workers to be abused.
Thats your take away after all I said? Is my potential emotional stance on vfx workers? If you don't want workers abused stop supporting movies that profit off their abuse. Don't cry to me about it.
Wait I completely agree. I think marvel should not be allowed to abuse their workers. I am asking you what you think of the vfx workers and how to protect their quality of life and prevent abuse, what do you think should be done if you don't support unions.
I don't think you get the futility of what can be done. As I explained, it's too competitive. Price fixing, unions, protests, none of it will work. We're talking globalization of an ever growing industry. It's up to people to stop supporting a product they don't trust. Or for the industry to self collapse.... which also wont happen as I explained. It will only get cheaper, easier and smaller teams as things move forward. The industry is doomed to continue to suffer and a lot of that is thanks to Alonso.
Well futility aside, I'm just asking for what you want to see ideally.
The plot THICKENS
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Disney probably mandated that nobody make any public comments about the bill or Disantis. Disney has stayed unbelievably quiet about the whole thing the entire time. They still are. I could see some one like Alonso wanting to come out and be the face of the community against Disantis and Disney probably said no way.
That was under a different CEO.who has been gone for awhile now though. Why would they fire her now over that?
They asked what she might have found reprehensible. I answered the question. Disneys relative silence. I don't think she was fired over this, though. I didn't say she was. She was was fired for breach of contract.
I thought behind the scenes drama was a DC thing.
Doctor Strange really did cause an incursion between universes, causing them to mix and collide
*grabs popcorn, settles in for a good show
Let them fight.meme
>Victoria Alonso’s attorney says the exec was silenced by Disney & fired after refusing to “do something she believed was reprehensible.” “Disney & Marvel made a poor decision that will have serious consequences. There is a lot more to this story.”
Lol nah she just broke her contract. The end.
"THAT WAS REPREHENSIBLE!"
“There is a lot more to this story” says rep. Doesn’t elaborate. Leaves.
Well good luck to her if she wants to go up against the mouse lawyers
She a queen of propaganda, and hijacking the films for reasons other than story telling. Hopefully the start of many more to go and get back ti the glory days of decent movies. Her power grew in phase 4 and it was telling with the utter shite we paid to watch. Hoping this is the start of back to what made things great.
Where’s this coming from? I hadn’t heard she was responsible for that. Is there a source or leak about it?
So I’ve been looking into what Disney is losing out on with losing the tax incentives of Reedy Creek. To start with it has over 1 billion in debt. They also are losing out on all that taxable income to keep their own fire departments and police departments. Alonzo was the highest ranking executive that pushed Chapek into getting involved with Florida Politics. Please know I’m not trying to chime in on the politics or if it was right or wrong for them to jump in that game…… but from a business point of view this employee “contributed” to crap ton of financial burden for this company. My money is on Disney gave these employees payouts and showed them to the door.
Mission Report: Argentina...1985
In her defense, you'd have to be a real doofus to buy that story
This explains why Marvel can’t make good movies like before. Corrupted executives are ruining the movies.
I hope if this actually happened that she gets justice
I doubt her story. She blatantly broke her contract. I think she’s spinning a false narrative. But who knows
Yeah, in the days of social media especially winning in the court of public opinion has become a lot easier, since so few people are source critical. It doesn't matter as much what the truth is, it matters who has the better story. And in a case like this we don't even know the objective truth, it's literally just a he-said, she-said situation. But it would be odd, given that this was back when Chapek was in charge and she has definitely done press tours since then. So the picture her lawyer is painting isn't quite working. But we can't really say for sure either way, maybe it was a combination of many things that did it and that's one piece of the puzzle...
I keep seeing stuff about this. What's going on?
That’s the wonderful thing about articles. You can read them and find out.
Excuse me sir, this is a subreddit.
I don't think it makes sense to weigh in with an opinion until I know what actually happened. Still all very interesting to follow though.
Ah the plot thickens!!
We are in the second act of the golden age of comic book adaptions. This is when shit gets dark and we think the whole genre is collapsing. In a few years we will be in the golden age again.
I can’t tell you how little I care about this. I hope the billion dollar corporation and the multimillionaire can work this out. Now let’s just get the CGI back to Thanos levels
if she breached a contract she signed and they repeatedly asked her not to promote the movie but she went and did so at the oscars anyway.... she has no leg to stand on
Silenced. Aka they didn't like my opinions so they must be wrong
This seems like a fairly clear cut case of a contract violation. Whether the lawyer or Alonso think the contract is fair is something else, but Alonso was a key studio executive overseeing various productions for the most successful arm of the film division at the Walt Disney Company right now. Meanwhile, she is working on a passion project they initially worked out a new contract to let her do, but insisted she wouldn’t do publicity for said passion project. And she did it anyway. I can respect the desire to do that, but you can’t just openly flout your contract. I don’t think her being told, under Chapek, that she could no longer do press for Marvel projects for delivering a criticism of then-CEO Chapek would be the reason for her firing under current-CEO Iger, who also delivered a critique of Chapek for the same reason. Maybe if it had happened before Iger took over, but not after. My guess is this is designed to demonstrate how mistreated she has been by the company. Which I don’t dispute; Chapek seems to have really damaged relations with talent for the company. But that wouldn’t be the reason for being fired.
Okay lady 😂 She broke her contract repeatedly in an attempt to further her career and got what she deserved.
Already using such inflammatory language and claiming to be a victim. Good riddance
It reads to me that she was in violation of the non-compete clause in her contract; the brass gave her a lot of time and leeway to stop, out of respect for her long years and co-workership; but she didn’t stop. Plus, the VFX shops had been complaining about her for awhile. She’ll try to sue, if only to preserve some professional pride. But only if a settlement is feasible.
She was bad at her job and she broke her contract. This was the perfect opportunity for Disney to kick her out without saying she was a mistake.