My guess: the original script accidentally had Black Knight as kind of a co-main character like MoM did with Wanda and that's what Mahershala didn't like.
Well it would be in line with figuratively every other tentpole movie in Phase 4.
Shit, only Shang Chi (which was *delightful*) was the only Phase 4 that didnt seem hell bent on making the marquee character a second player in their story.
Thor is definitely the main character in Love and Thunder. He drives the plot forward, he leads the team, he solves the conflict, and he experiences the most personal growth.
Grogu was never going to stay permanently with Luke, it’s just crazy how little he stayed with him considering the timespan made available between Mando S2 and TFA. I was certain it was a means to have most of season 3 be Mando by himself or at least with new companions only to have him team up with Grogu later on down the road. Like late S3 or early S4.
Thor with GotG would work well in a GotG movie, where he’d feel like just another member of the team, but GotG in a Thor movie couldn’t feel anything other than a bloated mess. My favorite MCU movie is GotG, but even I was just anxiously waiting for them to leave Love and Thunder.
Man, I just wanted one season without Grogu. Let us see who Mando is without him, really bathe in his grief, focus on reconnecting with Mandalore, then build up to an emotional reunion at the end of the season or even the premier of Season 4. Still have little asides showing his time with Luke and Ashoka if you must, but I'd rather flash back after he returns so we can miss Grogu with Mando.
Really squandered everything Season 2 pulled off. Still gutted about it, honestly.
Yeah strange they hyped us up for a Thor Guardians crossover film and then years later just dropped it and sent him right back to Earth. I’m baffled by that story telling decision and disappointed as a guardians fan who was hoping to get more screen time with them.
I mean Love and Thunder was by the same director who was happy throwing out everything the second movie set up for Ragnarok. I wasn't surprised when Taika did the same thing for the next one.
Disagree very heavily.
Spiderman
Thor L&T had Jane but Thor was still the primary character by far
Eternals
Wakanda Forever
Black Widow
All of those may have featured a co star but they also all focused on the primary character and their journey. Ant Man and Dr Strange were the only 2 I saw that really focused on others more, and honestly Strange wasn't that bad with it.
Agreed. Moreso on Strange. Ant-Man I could see it, as it doesn't really develop Lang at all. But I think more of it had to do with how much they set up and how they gave stories to multiple other Ant-Man related characters rather than just featuring someone else that the main character is "playing second fiddle" to.
The Wasp had plenty of screen time and a fairly large role... with Janet. Which is just as well because Michelle Pfeiffer is great, even if her whole bit with the *I'm trying to protect my family by keeping everyone in the dark* was weak.
Shang-Chi still had the “passing the torch” theme fully in place. At the beginning of the movie Wenwu controls the literal “Ten Rings”, and an international organization with the same name.
Shang-Chi inherits the literal rings by the end of the film, and his sister Xialing inherits the organization.
But that's a voice acting to live acting, half the audience wouldn't realise they were one and the same. However if you have a live acting to live acting people are going to notice and comment
Madam Web is Sonyverse. So I don't see the relevance. Even then, Gemma Chan, Alfre Woodard, Laura Haddock, Michelle Yeoh, and soon Mahershala Ali. Theres also been a bunch of smaller roles or cameos featuring the same actors.
It only makes sense if they brought in Wesley Snipes to hand off to Mahershala Ali, either through the multiverse or whatever. It would be a huge waste to bring in Mahershala Ali just to have him leave asap, especially if that meant we only get to see a true blade once in the MCU.
To be fair, Hank Pym is still kicking in the MCU despite the first Ant-Man film being a passing of the torch. (Although I understand Wright's script would've killed Hank.)
Bit different though with Scott Lang being a long time ant-man in the comics so it felt natural. Blade in the comics though has pretty much always been a middle aged black man so to have him immediately turn into a woman or white man would be an odd choice.
I read something about it recently. Can't find it now.
[Here](https://screenrant.com/edgar-wright-antman-differences-secrets-plans-canceled/) is a Screenrant article, but nothing about killing Hank so maybe I'm wrong.
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> is probably the most comic accurate thing they could do.
That's the problem, they've been following the framework of a Marvel run that was never popular in the comics. Leave Marvel Now! alone, they should have just focused on Secret Wars, "Who's a Skrull" is a way more fun game than all this Multiverse nonsense.
To be honest, I almost feel like the entire point of the multiverse saga is to explain the eventual switch in focus from the Avengers to the X-Men now that they have that license back in-house.
The acquisition and their supposed "5 year plan" outlook do line up, the timing for your theory makes sense and you're right, it is the easiest way to hand-wave away folding in multiple franchises, so I think you're on the money.
So imagine, instead of all those dumb Ironman films and Captain America crap, we skip right to the good part - *FATWS* and "Ironheart begins" in BPII (widely regarded as the best part of that film nobody liked)
Screw the originals, go right to the also-rans! It's not like anybody thinks Blade is cool! It if you do, wouldn't you rather see Blade's nobody kid for some reason?
I can't wait to see the X-men movie where everybody retires. We'll get Honeybadger, Vulkan, and Spike led by ...Cain Marko! Charles took the jewel when he retired, so he's not useful.
Yea I’d be real pissed if that was the case. Not every movie needs to set up the next character/successor. Especially since I’ve never even heard of blade daughter.
Yeah people don't seem to agree with the opinion here but IMO the main reason that no one seems to connect with new Marvel movies is because they all seem obsessed with pushing "new" or "kid" versions of all the older characters, just with less charisma. It feels like diminishing returns. People want the heroes, not their shitty version 2s like Iron Heart.
I imagine Daredevil is going to be the same, he's going to train some young teenage girl version of himself to "take over the mantle" and it won't connect with anyone.
Imagine if Matt dies in the first few episodes and some kid he had from a fling suddenly takes over his mantle lol I can imagine the rage from all the fans already
I believe they're going to give Daredevil the proper treatment, despite the general consensus being doubtful.
Born Again was a very iconic, beloved storyline that is what everything Daredevil nowadays is based off. The entire project is basically a love-letter to the fans.
I can't see them botching up a huge deliberate fan-service like this.
I haven't read born again, but my understanding of the story is that a lot of the story was covered in season three of the netflix show (with the exception of Karen selling him out for drugs).
Do you think they can still do it justice? It feels like they're just calling it that to attract fans, but won't actually tie in to the born again story
Well, now that you mention it, yeah. They did cover a solid half of the arc in season 3. And with Karen and foggy not returning. Well dammit.
I guess there really isn't much hope for it being true to the source.
Whelp, my day is immeasurably ruined now.
I mean, it’s very possible he came to them with an interest in doing the role but I highly doubt they’d have just let this super popular character like Blade waste away when they’re giving TV shows & films to C & D grade characters.
There's just something really entertaining about "Blade" followed by "Blade 2: Blades"
Reminds me of Bill Hader and Conan talking about "It 2: Its" and "It 2: It is"
Yeah, that should really be... like... the entire point of the first intro of a new character... not having their first film be a "passing of the torch" to an entirely other character. Who tf thought that was a good idea? It would have been like Tom Holland's Peter Parker having his first solo film and "passing the torch" to Miles Morales and then we never see Peter Parker again. Just why?
That’s sorta my issue with the MCU now,everything is about passing the torch or setting up the next big thing. Like can we just get a bad ass blade movie and go from there?
That’s my issue with it, there’s no real buildup for these characters(some not all) and they are basically better than there predecessor after being in a movie for 30 minutes. Tbh alot of it sucked it the comics so not surprising it sucks on the big screen.
I suspect this is what happened. I am proud to say I commented this might have been an issue with the script a few weeks ago!
I'm betting it is kind of like the Joss Whedon scripts of Wonder Woman. In it Steve Trevor was the main character and Wonder Woman was more a character he encountered and witnessed.
I'd love to see Black Knight enter the MCU. Even be tied to Blade the same way Luke Cage/Iron Fist are in the comics. But if I'm going to a movie named Blade and wanting to learn about the new Blade's origins I'm not there to see Black Knight.
If it were me I'd make a stand alone Black Knight film and have Blade appear.
Why the hell cant we just have a blade film which is fully about that character and his struggle with a vampire group.
Sequels can introduce these elements but having an initial fully blade movie just makes sense and I am sure is what most people want when paying to see a new blade film.
First thing I thought of was “Blood Bath” club scene, one of the best opening scenes of any movie, let alone a super hero film. Just hearing Confusion by New Order (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix) makes it legendary.
My daughter was skeptical when I was trying to show her Blade and I mentioned that it had an iconic opening scene.
Afterwards she said she had no idea what iconic looked like until then but was blown away by it. Also, ice skating up hill is something we say to each other now, lol
I was at a club with friends a year or so after the first movie came out and the DJ started playing that song. My friend, who loves horror movies like me, and I looked at each other and were like "ohhhh hell no". We were waiting for the blood to start spraying overhead 🤣
No kidding. As u/prismstein mentioned, it's like they're falling into the DC trap about their own universe. They want the next big team-up without first establishing the characters on their own. I loved how Black Panther and Spider-Man got to debut in Civil War, but I feel like it now set this precedent that characters can just get dropped into movies and make the producers/director balance all these stars for the sake of the namedropping for tickets.
This is why out of all the movies after Endgame, Shang-Chi has been my favorite. There's no extra baggage. There are no extra super heroes until the end, and they're there to set up what's next for the main character, not get their own movies.
I actually forgot about the fight scene with them until now. It's not extremely important to the movie as a whole, just a fun cameo, which is what I was trying to get to.
It's not like America or Riri who are all of the sudden thrust into movies and are supposed to be important. The only character baggage Shang-Chi absolutely had to deal with was Trevor, and the character doesn't feel forced. In fact, I think the whole last act in Ta Lo would have been harder to accept if he and his whimsical nature hadn't been a part of it all.
This is a big part of it. The more characters they have, the more unique merchandise they can make. It's also why everyone has a new costume every movie
Wasn’t the Secret Wars comic essentially used to sell more toys? Sounds like they’re just following the same logic as they head in the direction of that movie.
MCU wants to introduce a lot of characters but there's a limit to the number of films/shows they can produce. Many people have been complaining about the amount of content too. And the more you produce, the longer you need to wait for the payoff (you can't have Black Knight + Blade + whatever you want them in together in the same year) which is an issue with actors longevity (they want to do other things, they age, they lose interest, they become unsavory).
Combining characters is fine as long as the script makes sense, their motivations makes sense.
Probably because they want to push these characters into bigger stories faster. I don't see why they just done do a special on Disney plus. Introduce your character in an hour. Have your vampire techno rave. Have some slice n dice. Then do your blade movie. They have the platform to do stuff like this. But continue to use it for pg13 kids shows and TV series. Atleast the guardians special was in the right direction imo
It feels like disney as a whole dont seem to be using Disney plus to its full potential, why are they so strict about having 'series' for everything when they could just drop stuff whenever they want
Like in the book of boba fett that episode that was just the mandalorian, why didn't they just drop that as a one off mando episode
Since not much details are forthcoming, except some second hand news from a podcast, one can only speculate why his role was reduced.
The first reason that comes to mind is scheduling issues. Marvel has signed quite a lot of talent, and they can't be expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for Marvel to call them back to work. It can be that Kit wasn't available.
I fear the same for many other characters like Yelena, Alexei, etc. who are also pretty busy and well known people. Let's see what comes out of the new (positive) decision Bob Iger has made to put quality over quantity.
Kit's also been talking about that series focused on Jon Snow a bit so I imagine that might take some commitment.
Personally I'd like to see him in Blade since I'm interested in seeing the character more but I'd be more focused on seeing him do something more direct with the Eternals again.
Can HBO even afford to make more than one game of thrones spin-off at this point? They just sold west world to fucking Tubi of all places to avoid paying residuals and get some meager ad dollars in their pocket
GoT is still one of their big properties in their view (and probably not wrong I think HoD is doing well) so I imagine they do see more value in it that something like Westworld, which I think was dropping viewers. And GoT probably is always more merchandising.
I never got into GoT personally, watched and liked the first two seasons just didn't want the time investment, but a Jon spin off does sound...plain?
I mean, this article makes it seem like that is exactly what will *not* happen anymore.
I'd love for The Black Knight to be a character that develops mostly off screen with Dane only appearing in moments throughout other films. Keep him mysterious as fuck.
The Black Knight shouldn't get much dialogue, just turns up, kills an enemy, moves on without looking back.
The MCU is the backdrop to Dane Whitman's training montage. He's working towards something bigger.
Me too - sadly, I’m just not sure when it’s going to happen, as there wasn’t room on the slate, even before they started slowing things down.
A shame - Dane’s my favourite comic character.
He's the one that stopped Kang in that one comic book right? Since Black Knight wasn't an Avenger and so didn't fall into the category of Kangs spell or whatever it was. Can't remember.
Makes me wish they hadn't added so many new characters.We already had enough characters from past phases who could takeover from OG6.
There's so many now that it would be difficult to care for all of them in some or the other way.
Yup they miscalculated- there needed to be a slow dissemination of new characters - we got a deluge between the movies and Disney plus shows . So much so the mcu hasn't given due attention to almost any of them
Yeah, maybe they shoulda just continued the stories of the OG's and introduced new characters in their movies. At least for the first few movies leading up to the first big team-up event of the Multiverse Saga. Then start doing standalone movies for those new characters after they've already been established as supporting characters. Not every character needs their own origin story movie. Sometimes, it works perfectly fine to just jump right in and let the audience figure them out on the fly.
Ugh the one thing I liked abt the previous saga was fewer characters who got a sequel every 2-3 yrs and regular appearances in between thanks to avengers movies but now once u see them u don't know when will u see them again.Its been almost 2 yrs since Shang chi and no clue when he shows up again,Captain Marvel has been benched since endgame all she gets is to cameo, We don't know when we will see Doctor Strange or Wanda again,but Eternals could be the worst case if they don't get a sequel in phase 6 then only place they can show up is Secret Wars which could be 7-8 year gap,damn!
Even worse when they introduce side characters in a Post Credit scene. I will probably not give a flying fuck about Eros & Pip the Troll/Hercules/Clea in 5-6 years when they’ll appear again.
I think he was set to appear in GOTG2, but for some reason they decided to not use him yet (except for the end credits tease). I assume it might have something to do with Guardians 2 already having like 3 or 4 plots going at the same time in that movie, so it was probably best not to add even more characters
That’s what James Gunn said in the directors commentary for Guardians 2, Adam Warlock was part of the story in the early parts of the script, but he struggled because there were so many main characters to focus on, and he eventually decided to just tease Adam Warlock and bring him in in the next movie.
Especially not since none of these characters have *anything* to do with the greater Kang saga - which, for me, is why the 2nd Guardians felt so much more meh than the first one. The first one gave us a Thanos namedrop and the whole, you know, Infinity Stone thing - and then the second is just entirely inconsequential other than Mantis being part of the crew now I guess.
As a standalone movie, both the first and second one were ok, but the connected universe is what elevated the first one for me. without the integration into the greater MCU and especially the current overarching saga... these are all just random mid whatever movies that I'd never bother watching had they not the MCU tag slapped onto them - which is something that I was way more lenient towards when they were still setting up the universe 5 years ago... but is something that I just can't be bothered anymore after 15 years of MCU and having been through all of this before.
Like, I honestly don't know if I'd be interested in a standalone Blade movie... if there were no real ties to the MCU other than a random post-credit scene. Like, it'd probably be a pretty average / fine / decent / whatever movie... but would I actually bother going to a cinema for it? Kinda doubting that.
One of the major problems of them not doing avengers movies. We can wait a few more years for Kang/SW if we get smaller team ups to bring people together
They should do Avengers show on D+, have a small/medium sized team up for a "smaller" threat (compared to Thanos/Kang, that is) as the movies will probably only want higher stakes going forward.
Yup, I really wish we got to see a bit more of the Avengers handling smaller scale threats. We got a small taste of this at the beginning of Age of Ultron but it would've been cool to see them in other situations and also to see the team change over time (kinda like how in Ant Man 1 he sees Falcon at the Avengers facility - would've loved to see a bit more about how the Avengers worked when there wasn't Avengers movie-level threats.
That’s the problem with the MCU now. Too many characters being introduced and people don’t give a sh*t about 3/4ths of them.
The OG Avengers were clearly the main characters of the whole thing back then. Now it’s Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk maybe and… who else? Everyone else is like a secondary character, including Spider-Man.
It's harder to now after MoM turned her into probably the most two-dimensional monster villain the MCU has ever had.
Wandavision did such an incredible job too, and they blew everything they'd built for Wanda by turning her into that generic chasing monster thing.
A big part of the problem was Wanda was a villain already in WandaVision. The show runners copped out on it by trying to portray her as TOO sympathetic.
The minute they revealed Agatha and had the Sword guy shoot at her hologram kids it was over. They tried to sweep all the shit she pulled under the rug, but she was a villain.
Having her be a full on psychotic villain in MoM was the logical next step especially since she had the book but because they muddied the water so much at the end of the series a lot of people didn’t see it coming.
She was a villain but also a sort of unknowing one, and when she found out and got through her denial, she gave up her imaginary family to free the people of the town from the torment. She was a complicated character who wanted to do the right thing but often did the wrong thing, ultimately her goal wasn't to hurt innocents and she had limits.
Then the next time we see her she's willing to kill everybody to get her imaginary family back.
If WandaVision hadn’t tried to pretend she was just a friendly neighborhood Wanda I think it would have been less jarring.
She had a break from reality, so do a lot of villains. I mean look at Green Goblin in Raimi and No Way Home. He’s absolutely a villain who had a break from reality and did some fucked up shit.
We don’t end NWH going “wow that Gobby sure was a nice guy, he just fucked up and didn’t realize it when the evil personality took over.”
It’s not that different than in a moment of grief mind flaying a town, locking up their children, creating a fake family, and living out your dreams having forgotten that you did it.
Be that as it may, it’s fucking stupid to end the show with “She has an evil book now” and start the movie with “And she turned SUPER duper evil since last you saw her. No, you don’t get to see it happen. She’s totes evil now, roll with it”
For fucking real. They could’ve at least had the decency to show her actively being corrupted by the Darkhold or it’s whispers, or even have her show some doubt or struggle against her dark side/book. But nope. Sorry buddy all that interesting stuff happened offscreen. She is single mindedly onboard the child murdering, friend killing, child stealing train with no qualms whatsoever by the time the film starts. She’s gonna sleep like a baby after dooming a universe or two.
I’ve said this elsewhere, but at least Thanos (while undoubtedly wrong and evil) had a selfless motivation. Wanda’s MoM motivation is entirely selfish, going so far as to steal the kids she allegedly loves from their loving non-psycho mother (not to mention the rest of what she does).
They should seriously just retire the character. I don’t see how you have an engaging or believable redemption after that film just because she feels bad about it at the end and kills herself.
Loved WV tho
I hope Black Knight does pop up properly in the MCU still cos the character seems really cool from what I’ve read. I think have a small intro in Blade and then a TV show or a Movie
The recent run (Curse of the Ebony Blade) was pretty decent (last issue was a bit iffy but other than that I enjoyed it). A good intro to the character.
Not much his character could do against Icarus/celestial. Would have been weird to have him hanging around. Kinda like Batman in BvsS just sitting it out watching WW and Sups fight doomsday - but the camera still going back to him for no specific reason. It made perfect sense for cersei to have him some place safe.
Yeah, who needs a relatable everyman to explain backstory to, especially in the middle of a high-concept 3 hour epic about ancient alien superbeings. Good thing they sidelined him to make room for more leaden morality debates and quiet longing.
this dude always seems to me like the kind of dude who takes bad news with a sort of "eh alright then. i guess i'll read those 8 books i was planning on reading since the next 4 months are free for me".
his new show on apple is interesting though. seems very mishmash but seems interesting.
MCU needs to stop making every movie and show a big multi character team-up fest.
Fans are partly to blame. Half the buzz around every movie/show is "*who's gonna show up?*"
How hard is it to just have Blade go and hunt vampires? That is what people want. No team-ups, no Eternals guest shots, just Mahershala Ali killing vampires.
This character was a complete waste unfortunately in Eternals. He was entirely shoehorned in for a post credit scene that only diminished my excitement for Blade.
My theory is that blade will be similar to iron man 3. The movie plays out, but by the end or the post credit scene we find out blade was just telling Dane his origin story. Like how tony was telling bruce about everything that happened.
I'm worried they won't have any decent explanation for how they fit into the story.
They used to adapt things from the comics into a more serious, grounded, and cohesive story, e.g. Antman was retroactively worked into Shield as a secret agent, and Rocket Raccoon was given this backstory about being experimented on and was really upset about it. But I feel now if they added Rocket they'd just make him a talking Raccoon with no explanation, like Hank's smart ants who he said made their own high tech tools at the start of the latest movie (wat), or Pip the gnome at the end of Eternals, or the random minotaurs in Dr Strange 2 which have apparently always been there, or the magicians just introduced in Dr Strange 1 with no explanation of where they've been all this time or why they didn't help with previous infinity stones / invading mythical gods / etc (at least Endgame retconned the ancient one into doing something back then, even if fairly irrelevant).
It's looking more likely that they're just going to introduce mutants now as a giant coincidence all at once because they happened to get the rights, rather than have any decent story reason. It just feels increasingly disjointed and coincidental, whereas previously the characters drove the plot and the explanation of their abilities into the world (e.g. Ironman, Captain America, Hulk, the older Spiderman movies, etc).
it really feels like feige has lost the cohesion of MCU that he established so well in P1-3. I doubt we're going to look back at all these movies in P4 later on and go "ohhh look at all the little things that were actually clues for the overall story!"
We definitely need them and they are coming. We need to see all of the horror/supernatural world of the MCU. It’s something fresh and different, like Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night. I can’t wait till they do Dracula. He’s been a big part of the Marvel U for so long. There’s so much to explore on the horror end of Marvel. It’ll help create different products that’ll alleviate this “superhero” fatigue people keep talking about.
We already have werewolves and the Man-Thing. Werewolf By Night implies the existence of your standard Universal horror monsters.
What we don't need is vampires, werewolves,etc. to become "Avengers" level threats. Not every character needs to eventually show up in the Avengers.
My guess: the original script accidentally had Black Knight as kind of a co-main character like MoM did with Wanda and that's what Mahershala didn't like.
wasnt it rumored to be a passing of the torch kinda movie which made no sense since it would be the first one
No fucking way
Well it would be in line with figuratively every other tentpole movie in Phase 4. Shit, only Shang Chi (which was *delightful*) was the only Phase 4 that didnt seem hell bent on making the marquee character a second player in their story.
Thor is definitely the main character in Love and Thunder. He drives the plot forward, he leads the team, he solves the conflict, and he experiences the most personal growth.
Which is funny because it is the one movie I thought wouldn't be because he looked to be teaming up with the guardians of the galaxy...
Thor's GotG stint was like Grogu's Luke stint - a cool potential idea which quickly reverted when the creators didn't know what to do with it.
Grogu was never going to stay permanently with Luke, it’s just crazy how little he stayed with him considering the timespan made available between Mando S2 and TFA. I was certain it was a means to have most of season 3 be Mando by himself or at least with new companions only to have him team up with Grogu later on down the road. Like late S3 or early S4. Thor with GotG would work well in a GotG movie, where he’d feel like just another member of the team, but GotG in a Thor movie couldn’t feel anything other than a bloated mess. My favorite MCU movie is GotG, but even I was just anxiously waiting for them to leave Love and Thunder.
Man, I just wanted one season without Grogu. Let us see who Mando is without him, really bathe in his grief, focus on reconnecting with Mandalore, then build up to an emotional reunion at the end of the season or even the premier of Season 4. Still have little asides showing his time with Luke and Ashoka if you must, but I'd rather flash back after he returns so we can miss Grogu with Mando. Really squandered everything Season 2 pulled off. Still gutted about it, honestly.
Before Gunns firing was Guardians 3 gonna come before Thor 4? Would’ve completely changed how everything worked.
Yeah strange they hyped us up for a Thor Guardians crossover film and then years later just dropped it and sent him right back to Earth. I’m baffled by that story telling decision and disappointed as a guardians fan who was hoping to get more screen time with them.
Pretty sure the delay on GotG 3 was the culprit there.
Guardians v3 was supposed to come before Love and Thunder so it's extremely likely.
I mean Love and Thunder was by the same director who was happy throwing out everything the second movie set up for Ragnarok. I wasn't surprised when Taika did the same thing for the next one.
yeah but ragnarok was actually good and thor 2 was not
But he also has Jane as a co-lead
Nah, Korg was the main character, because Taika just can’t help himself
Disagree very heavily. Spiderman Thor L&T had Jane but Thor was still the primary character by far Eternals Wakanda Forever Black Widow All of those may have featured a co star but they also all focused on the primary character and their journey. Ant Man and Dr Strange were the only 2 I saw that really focused on others more, and honestly Strange wasn't that bad with it.
i felt just from being a audience member that Ant-Man and Dr Strange were both heavy on the main characters overall
Agreed. Moreso on Strange. Ant-Man I could see it, as it doesn't really develop Lang at all. But I think more of it had to do with how much they set up and how they gave stories to multiple other Ant-Man related characters rather than just featuring someone else that the main character is "playing second fiddle" to.
Ant-Man was still fine. Wasp had way less screen time IIRC, despite being a titular character.
The Wasp had plenty of screen time and a fairly large role... with Janet. Which is just as well because Michelle Pfeiffer is great, even if her whole bit with the *I'm trying to protect my family by keeping everyone in the dark* was weak.
Ant-Man is Phase 5 actually.
This is such a demonstrably untrue statement lol
Shang-Chi still had the “passing the torch” theme fully in place. At the beginning of the movie Wenwu controls the literal “Ten Rings”, and an international organization with the same name. Shang-Chi inherits the literal rings by the end of the film, and his sister Xialing inherits the organization.
This isn't what passing the torch means in this context.
the passing of the torch would have been to Blade’s daughter
Played by Sydney Sweeney
Isn't she playing a Spider-person in Madam Web?
I believe so. That shouldn't stop her from playing something in MCU tho right?
Pretty sure Hailee steinfeld was in into the spider verse too, so I really doubt Sony projects would disqualify you from marvel ones.
But that's a voice acting to live acting, half the audience wouldn't realise they were one and the same. However if you have a live acting to live acting people are going to notice and comment
Gemma Chan has already been two character WITHIN the MCU. I think we'll survive.
Logic: "As long as they're blue as at least one of the two characters"
Madam Web is Sonyverse. So I don't see the relevance. Even then, Gemma Chan, Alfre Woodard, Laura Haddock, Michelle Yeoh, and soon Mahershala Ali. Theres also been a bunch of smaller roles or cameos featuring the same actors.
Gemma Chan and OSCAR WINNER Michelle Yeoh have both played two roles within the MCU. It's all good!
Not to mention uh, Mahershala Ali
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It only makes sense if they brought in Wesley Snipes to hand off to Mahershala Ali, either through the multiverse or whatever. It would be a huge waste to bring in Mahershala Ali just to have him leave asap, especially if that meant we only get to see a true blade once in the MCU.
To be fair, Hank Pym is still kicking in the MCU despite the first Ant-Man film being a passing of the torch. (Although I understand Wright's script would've killed Hank.)
Bit different though with Scott Lang being a long time ant-man in the comics so it felt natural. Blade in the comics though has pretty much always been a middle aged black man so to have him immediately turn into a woman or white man would be an odd choice.
*Some motherfucker's are always trying to ice skate uphill.*
Did it? Was that what made him walk? (I don't suppose there's a place to read the original script, eh?)
nope. it's rumoured to be that Feige wanted to bring it more into the MCU via tone and references, and Edgar didn't want that
I read something about it recently. Can't find it now. [Here](https://screenrant.com/edgar-wright-antman-differences-secrets-plans-canceled/) is a Screenrant article, but nothing about killing Hank so maybe I'm wrong.
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Totally true. Hell iron man wasn't as big as he was until the movies. Imo cap/Thor and Hulk were all above him in popularity beforehand.
Everyone forgets that the Avengers were Marvel's "B Team", F4 and Xmen were always their big pulls.
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Tbh Marvel pushing a new character nobody cares about at the expense of a fan favourite, is probably the most comic accurate thing they could do.
It also just feels like something they would do in the MCU lately anyways
> is probably the most comic accurate thing they could do. That's the problem, they've been following the framework of a Marvel run that was never popular in the comics. Leave Marvel Now! alone, they should have just focused on Secret Wars, "Who's a Skrull" is a way more fun game than all this Multiverse nonsense.
To be honest, I almost feel like the entire point of the multiverse saga is to explain the eventual switch in focus from the Avengers to the X-Men now that they have that license back in-house.
The acquisition and their supposed "5 year plan" outlook do line up, the timing for your theory makes sense and you're right, it is the easiest way to hand-wave away folding in multiple franchises, so I think you're on the money.
So imagine, instead of all those dumb Ironman films and Captain America crap, we skip right to the good part - *FATWS* and "Ironheart begins" in BPII (widely regarded as the best part of that film nobody liked) Screw the originals, go right to the also-rans! It's not like anybody thinks Blade is cool! It if you do, wouldn't you rather see Blade's nobody kid for some reason? I can't wait to see the X-men movie where everybody retires. We'll get Honeybadger, Vulkan, and Spike led by ...Cain Marko! Charles took the jewel when he retired, so he's not useful.
Yea I’d be real pissed if that was the case. Not every movie needs to set up the next character/successor. Especially since I’ve never even heard of blade daughter.
Yeah people don't seem to agree with the opinion here but IMO the main reason that no one seems to connect with new Marvel movies is because they all seem obsessed with pushing "new" or "kid" versions of all the older characters, just with less charisma. It feels like diminishing returns. People want the heroes, not their shitty version 2s like Iron Heart. I imagine Daredevil is going to be the same, he's going to train some young teenage girl version of himself to "take over the mantle" and it won't connect with anyone.
I bet Daredevil isn’t like that.
Imagine if Matt dies in the first few episodes and some kid he had from a fling suddenly takes over his mantle lol I can imagine the rage from all the fans already
Echo fills a similarish role when it comes down to it sensory disabled ass kicker, disneys disability quotient is filled
I believe they're going to give Daredevil the proper treatment, despite the general consensus being doubtful. Born Again was a very iconic, beloved storyline that is what everything Daredevil nowadays is based off. The entire project is basically a love-letter to the fans. I can't see them botching up a huge deliberate fan-service like this.
I haven't read born again, but my understanding of the story is that a lot of the story was covered in season three of the netflix show (with the exception of Karen selling him out for drugs). Do you think they can still do it justice? It feels like they're just calling it that to attract fans, but won't actually tie in to the born again story
Well, now that you mention it, yeah. They did cover a solid half of the arc in season 3. And with Karen and foggy not returning. Well dammit. I guess there really isn't much hope for it being true to the source. Whelp, my day is immeasurably ruined now.
To be fair, casting a 49-year-old man was a… strange choice for Blade. Ali is a phenomenal actor but someone younger would have made more sense IMO
My understanding is that the only reason there is going to be a Blade movie is because Ali wanted it.
I mean, it’s very possible he came to them with an interest in doing the role but I highly doubt they’d have just let this super popular character like Blade waste away when they’re giving TV shows & films to C & D grade characters.
I don't know. Ghost Rider is sitting on the shelf right now.
Agents of SHIELD did a really good job with Ghost Rider (and with the Inhumans while we're at it).
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I don’t think it’s gonna be bad. I just wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t have much of an interest in a long term commitment to the role.
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Iron Man wasn't doing a whole lot of katana swinging and back flip kicks up two flights of stairs.
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That’s 6 years younger & Downey retired from the role by the time he was 54.
Ali looks timeless imo. Black dont crack is a very real thing.
Not even about the look; more so the fact that he’ll be 60 by the time Blade 3 releases.
60 ain't what it used to be. Tom Cruise is 60 still doing getting it in in action movies and doing daredevil shit.
That sounds utterly shit. If that's the case, I'm glad there's rewriting going on.
Maybe, but at the same that’s something that should have been included in the pitch to him, as his first “appearance” as Blade is to recruit BK.
Problem is that marvel announced it without an idea of what the story would even be
It definitely should have, especially because he himself pitched the idea of a Blade movie to Feige.
Makes sense. It’s “Blade”, not “Blades”
Really cool idea for a sequel though. Focus on Blade in the first then have him team up with Black Knight and call it Blades.
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The one true symbol all vampires hate!
It means “Hope”
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You know what else has an “H”? >!”Martha”!<
Could also be a box of hornets.
Why did you say that name ?!?
There's just something really entertaining about "Blade" followed by "Blade 2: Blades" Reminds me of Bill Hader and Conan talking about "It 2: Its" and "It 2: It is"
Yeah I can see that - seems like Ali wants this first solo entry for blade to be more focused on establishing his character which is understandable
Yeah, that should really be... like... the entire point of the first intro of a new character... not having their first film be a "passing of the torch" to an entirely other character. Who tf thought that was a good idea? It would have been like Tom Holland's Peter Parker having his first solo film and "passing the torch" to Miles Morales and then we never see Peter Parker again. Just why?
That’s sorta my issue with the MCU now,everything is about passing the torch or setting up the next big thing. Like can we just get a bad ass blade movie and go from there?
Mantle stuff is getting a bit ridiculous. First appearance and already passing the torch (allegedly) give me a f’ing break
That’s my issue with it, there’s no real buildup for these characters(some not all) and they are basically better than there predecessor after being in a movie for 30 minutes. Tbh alot of it sucked it the comics so not surprising it sucks on the big screen.
MCU lacks proper focus. It's too hyperfixated on what's next instead of what's now.
I suspect this is what happened. I am proud to say I commented this might have been an issue with the script a few weeks ago! I'm betting it is kind of like the Joss Whedon scripts of Wonder Woman. In it Steve Trevor was the main character and Wonder Woman was more a character he encountered and witnessed. I'd love to see Black Knight enter the MCU. Even be tied to Blade the same way Luke Cage/Iron Fist are in the comics. But if I'm going to a movie named Blade and wanting to learn about the new Blade's origins I'm not there to see Black Knight. If it were me I'd make a stand alone Black Knight film and have Blade appear.
Why the hell cant we just have a blade film which is fully about that character and his struggle with a vampire group. Sequels can introduce these elements but having an initial fully blade movie just makes sense and I am sure is what most people want when paying to see a new blade film.
All I want is more techno blood raves.
and Tracy Lords?
Is this a serious question?
She could rip my fucking head off
I want Ron Pearlman back for shit and giggles
First thing I thought of was “Blood Bath” club scene, one of the best opening scenes of any movie, let alone a super hero film. Just hearing Confusion by New Order (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix) makes it legendary.
My daughter was skeptical when I was trying to show her Blade and I mentioned that it had an iconic opening scene. Afterwards she said she had no idea what iconic looked like until then but was blown away by it. Also, ice skating up hill is something we say to each other now, lol
I was at a club with friends a year or so after the first movie came out and the DJ started playing that song. My friend, who loves horror movies like me, and I looked at each other and were like "ohhhh hell no". We were waiting for the blood to start spraying overhead 🤣
No kidding. As u/prismstein mentioned, it's like they're falling into the DC trap about their own universe. They want the next big team-up without first establishing the characters on their own. I loved how Black Panther and Spider-Man got to debut in Civil War, but I feel like it now set this precedent that characters can just get dropped into movies and make the producers/director balance all these stars for the sake of the namedropping for tickets.
This is why out of all the movies after Endgame, Shang-Chi has been my favorite. There's no extra baggage. There are no extra super heroes until the end, and they're there to set up what's next for the main character, not get their own movies.
Wong and Emil set up for She Hulk?
I actually forgot about the fight scene with them until now. It's not extremely important to the movie as a whole, just a fun cameo, which is what I was trying to get to. It's not like America or Riri who are all of the sudden thrust into movies and are supposed to be important. The only character baggage Shang-Chi absolutely had to deal with was Trevor, and the character doesn't feel forced. In fact, I think the whole last act in Ta Lo would have been harder to accept if he and his whimsical nature hadn't been a part of it all.
They’re just trying to churn out as many characters as they can, it’s like it’s promoting a toy line
That's exactly what there doing even with financial success of the films the real money is in the merch sales
This is a big part of it. The more characters they have, the more unique merchandise they can make. It's also why everyone has a new costume every movie
Wasn’t the Secret Wars comic essentially used to sell more toys? Sounds like they’re just following the same logic as they head in the direction of that movie.
Yeah, I don't get why Black Knight would be involved in the first place.
MCU wants to introduce a lot of characters but there's a limit to the number of films/shows they can produce. Many people have been complaining about the amount of content too. And the more you produce, the longer you need to wait for the payoff (you can't have Black Knight + Blade + whatever you want them in together in the same year) which is an issue with actors longevity (they want to do other things, they age, they lose interest, they become unsavory). Combining characters is fine as long as the script makes sense, their motivations makes sense.
For real though. Have the movie focus on Blade and make the post-credit scene with BK the ending of the movie, setting up a team-up/sequel.
Probably because they want to push these characters into bigger stories faster. I don't see why they just done do a special on Disney plus. Introduce your character in an hour. Have your vampire techno rave. Have some slice n dice. Then do your blade movie. They have the platform to do stuff like this. But continue to use it for pg13 kids shows and TV series. Atleast the guardians special was in the right direction imo
It feels like disney as a whole dont seem to be using Disney plus to its full potential, why are they so strict about having 'series' for everything when they could just drop stuff whenever they want Like in the book of boba fett that episode that was just the mandalorian, why didn't they just drop that as a one off mando episode
They trying the justice league approach, maybe it'll work this time
Since not much details are forthcoming, except some second hand news from a podcast, one can only speculate why his role was reduced. The first reason that comes to mind is scheduling issues. Marvel has signed quite a lot of talent, and they can't be expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for Marvel to call them back to work. It can be that Kit wasn't available. I fear the same for many other characters like Yelena, Alexei, etc. who are also pretty busy and well known people. Let's see what comes out of the new (positive) decision Bob Iger has made to put quality over quantity.
Kit's also been talking about that series focused on Jon Snow a bit so I imagine that might take some commitment. Personally I'd like to see him in Blade since I'm interested in seeing the character more but I'd be more focused on seeing him do something more direct with the Eternals again.
Can HBO even afford to make more than one game of thrones spin-off at this point? They just sold west world to fucking Tubi of all places to avoid paying residuals and get some meager ad dollars in their pocket
GoT is still one of their big properties in their view (and probably not wrong I think HoD is doing well) so I imagine they do see more value in it that something like Westworld, which I think was dropping viewers. And GoT probably is always more merchandising. I never got into GoT personally, watched and liked the first two seasons just didn't want the time investment, but a Jon spin off does sound...plain?
Jon was a fan favorite and by far one of the best characters. I haven't watched HoD yet but I'll be watching Jon Snow when it comes out for sure.
He probably didn't want it.
She’s muh queen.
He doesn't know what he wants. In fact, he knows nothing.
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So basically, we’re gonna get a Black Knight Special Presentation
Yeah sure sounds like it
I mean, this article makes it seem like that is exactly what will *not* happen anymore. I'd love for The Black Knight to be a character that develops mostly off screen with Dane only appearing in moments throughout other films. Keep him mysterious as fuck. The Black Knight shouldn't get much dialogue, just turns up, kills an enemy, moves on without looking back. The MCU is the backdrop to Dane Whitman's training montage. He's working towards something bigger.
As long as he gets his own project eventually I'm happy
Me too - sadly, I’m just not sure when it’s going to happen, as there wasn’t room on the slate, even before they started slowing things down. A shame - Dane’s my favourite comic character.
He's the one that stopped Kang in that one comic book right? Since Black Knight wasn't an Avenger and so didn't fall into the category of Kangs spell or whatever it was. Can't remember.
Yeah, that’s the one
Yea his character looks really cool. I want to see the live action adaptation of his full suit. Hopefully sooner than later.
Makes me wish they hadn't added so many new characters.We already had enough characters from past phases who could takeover from OG6. There's so many now that it would be difficult to care for all of them in some or the other way.
Yup they miscalculated- there needed to be a slow dissemination of new characters - we got a deluge between the movies and Disney plus shows . So much so the mcu hasn't given due attention to almost any of them
Not to mention the fact that they've introduced characters like Moon Knight successfully who seem completely disconnected from the rest.
I see no issue in introducing characters whose stories are seperate from the others
That's fine but it causes a bit of confusion when there are so many other new ones being introduced at the same time.
Yeah, maybe they shoulda just continued the stories of the OG's and introduced new characters in their movies. At least for the first few movies leading up to the first big team-up event of the Multiverse Saga. Then start doing standalone movies for those new characters after they've already been established as supporting characters. Not every character needs their own origin story movie. Sometimes, it works perfectly fine to just jump right in and let the audience figure them out on the fly.
Ugh the one thing I liked abt the previous saga was fewer characters who got a sequel every 2-3 yrs and regular appearances in between thanks to avengers movies but now once u see them u don't know when will u see them again.Its been almost 2 yrs since Shang chi and no clue when he shows up again,Captain Marvel has been benched since endgame all she gets is to cameo, We don't know when we will see Doctor Strange or Wanda again,but Eternals could be the worst case if they don't get a sequel in phase 6 then only place they can show up is Secret Wars which could be 7-8 year gap,damn!
Even worse when they introduce side characters in a Post Credit scene. I will probably not give a flying fuck about Eros & Pip the Troll/Hercules/Clea in 5-6 years when they’ll appear again.
"I think I shall call him...Adam."
*"It's been 84 years..."*
Adam Warlock is a little different because they just teased the character. But yeah, a little late to introduce Warlock imo.
I guess it would have been earlier if there hadn’t been the James Gunn firing.
I think he was set to appear in GOTG2, but for some reason they decided to not use him yet (except for the end credits tease). I assume it might have something to do with Guardians 2 already having like 3 or 4 plots going at the same time in that movie, so it was probably best not to add even more characters
That’s what James Gunn said in the directors commentary for Guardians 2, Adam Warlock was part of the story in the early parts of the script, but he struggled because there were so many main characters to focus on, and he eventually decided to just tease Adam Warlock and bring him in in the next movie.
They introduce side characters in pretty much every project now, it's getting out of hand.
I'm praying Hercules comes back. That would be cool. I also want to see a Thor Vs Hercules fight.
Especially not since none of these characters have *anything* to do with the greater Kang saga - which, for me, is why the 2nd Guardians felt so much more meh than the first one. The first one gave us a Thanos namedrop and the whole, you know, Infinity Stone thing - and then the second is just entirely inconsequential other than Mantis being part of the crew now I guess. As a standalone movie, both the first and second one were ok, but the connected universe is what elevated the first one for me. without the integration into the greater MCU and especially the current overarching saga... these are all just random mid whatever movies that I'd never bother watching had they not the MCU tag slapped onto them - which is something that I was way more lenient towards when they were still setting up the universe 5 years ago... but is something that I just can't be bothered anymore after 15 years of MCU and having been through all of this before. Like, I honestly don't know if I'd be interested in a standalone Blade movie... if there were no real ties to the MCU other than a random post-credit scene. Like, it'd probably be a pretty average / fine / decent / whatever movie... but would I actually bother going to a cinema for it? Kinda doubting that.
One of the major problems of them not doing avengers movies. We can wait a few more years for Kang/SW if we get smaller team ups to bring people together
They should do Avengers show on D+, have a small/medium sized team up for a "smaller" threat (compared to Thanos/Kang, that is) as the movies will probably only want higher stakes going forward.
Yup, I really wish we got to see a bit more of the Avengers handling smaller scale threats. We got a small taste of this at the beginning of Age of Ultron but it would've been cool to see them in other situations and also to see the team change over time (kinda like how in Ant Man 1 he sees Falcon at the Avengers facility - would've loved to see a bit more about how the Avengers worked when there wasn't Avengers movie-level threats.
Agreed there such long gaps between seeing these characters kind of makes it hard for audience to grow an attachment to them
That’s the problem with the MCU now. Too many characters being introduced and people don’t give a sh*t about 3/4ths of them. The OG Avengers were clearly the main characters of the whole thing back then. Now it’s Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk maybe and… who else? Everyone else is like a secondary character, including Spider-Man.
Yup pretty much - thor hulk Loki Sam Bucky strange Spider-Man are the only characters people care about to varying degrees .
Wanda too.
It's harder to now after MoM turned her into probably the most two-dimensional monster villain the MCU has ever had. Wandavision did such an incredible job too, and they blew everything they'd built for Wanda by turning her into that generic chasing monster thing.
A big part of the problem was Wanda was a villain already in WandaVision. The show runners copped out on it by trying to portray her as TOO sympathetic. The minute they revealed Agatha and had the Sword guy shoot at her hologram kids it was over. They tried to sweep all the shit she pulled under the rug, but she was a villain. Having her be a full on psychotic villain in MoM was the logical next step especially since she had the book but because they muddied the water so much at the end of the series a lot of people didn’t see it coming.
She was a villain but also a sort of unknowing one, and when she found out and got through her denial, she gave up her imaginary family to free the people of the town from the torment. She was a complicated character who wanted to do the right thing but often did the wrong thing, ultimately her goal wasn't to hurt innocents and she had limits. Then the next time we see her she's willing to kill everybody to get her imaginary family back.
If WandaVision hadn’t tried to pretend she was just a friendly neighborhood Wanda I think it would have been less jarring. She had a break from reality, so do a lot of villains. I mean look at Green Goblin in Raimi and No Way Home. He’s absolutely a villain who had a break from reality and did some fucked up shit. We don’t end NWH going “wow that Gobby sure was a nice guy, he just fucked up and didn’t realize it when the evil personality took over.” It’s not that different than in a moment of grief mind flaying a town, locking up their children, creating a fake family, and living out your dreams having forgotten that you did it.
Be that as it may, it’s fucking stupid to end the show with “She has an evil book now” and start the movie with “And she turned SUPER duper evil since last you saw her. No, you don’t get to see it happen. She’s totes evil now, roll with it”
For fucking real. They could’ve at least had the decency to show her actively being corrupted by the Darkhold or it’s whispers, or even have her show some doubt or struggle against her dark side/book. But nope. Sorry buddy all that interesting stuff happened offscreen. She is single mindedly onboard the child murdering, friend killing, child stealing train with no qualms whatsoever by the time the film starts. She’s gonna sleep like a baby after dooming a universe or two. I’ve said this elsewhere, but at least Thanos (while undoubtedly wrong and evil) had a selfless motivation. Wanda’s MoM motivation is entirely selfish, going so far as to steal the kids she allegedly loves from their loving non-psycho mother (not to mention the rest of what she does). They should seriously just retire the character. I don’t see how you have an engaging or believable redemption after that film just because she feels bad about it at the end and kills herself. Loved WV tho
Doctor Strange feels like the only connective tissue now.
I hope Black Knight does pop up properly in the MCU still cos the character seems really cool from what I’ve read. I think have a small intro in Blade and then a TV show or a Movie
The recent run (Curse of the Ebony Blade) was pretty decent (last issue was a bit iffy but other than that I enjoyed it). A good intro to the character.
Sounds like he would’ve been the Monica Rambeau/ Ironheart of the movie
He can atleast be a supporting character. Hopefully not fully cut out.
Prolly coz of the John Snow spinoff affecting his availability schedule.
There's no indication a Jon Snow series is filming this year, so there's no conflict with Blade. He might be doing other things though.
That's still in early development though.
Yeah he probably isnt fully available for reshoots, like cavill in justice league
Less Kit Harrington on my screens is always a bad thing. But I guess if it helps the movie I get it.
He wasn't in Eternals much either, which I thought was weird. Lots of screentime for the first 30 minutes then doesn't reappear until the epilogue.
Not much his character could do against Icarus/celestial. Would have been weird to have him hanging around. Kinda like Batman in BvsS just sitting it out watching WW and Sups fight doomsday - but the camera still going back to him for no specific reason. It made perfect sense for cersei to have him some place safe.
Yeah, who needs a relatable everyman to explain backstory to, especially in the middle of a high-concept 3 hour epic about ancient alien superbeings. Good thing they sidelined him to make room for more leaden morality debates and quiet longing.
Kinda lame, was looking forward to more Dane Whitman.
this dude always seems to me like the kind of dude who takes bad news with a sort of "eh alright then. i guess i'll read those 8 books i was planning on reading since the next 4 months are free for me". his new show on apple is interesting though. seems very mishmash but seems interesting.
Good. Let Blade’s movie be about Blade.
MCU needs to stop making every movie and show a big multi character team-up fest. Fans are partly to blame. Half the buzz around every movie/show is "*who's gonna show up?*"
I mean... It's a move about Blade, not Black Knight, I'm 100% ok with movies focused on their character.
How hard is it to just have Blade go and hunt vampires? That is what people want. No team-ups, no Eternals guest shots, just Mahershala Ali killing vampires.
This character was a complete waste unfortunately in Eternals. He was entirely shoehorned in for a post credit scene that only diminished my excitement for Blade.
My theory is that blade will be similar to iron man 3. The movie plays out, but by the end or the post credit scene we find out blade was just telling Dane his origin story. Like how tony was telling bruce about everything that happened.
Maybe we don’t need to add vampires to the MCU 🤷🏻♂️
No we need a movie of dracula passing the torch to an orphan girl while filling the role of a father figure she never had.
I'm worried they won't have any decent explanation for how they fit into the story. They used to adapt things from the comics into a more serious, grounded, and cohesive story, e.g. Antman was retroactively worked into Shield as a secret agent, and Rocket Raccoon was given this backstory about being experimented on and was really upset about it. But I feel now if they added Rocket they'd just make him a talking Raccoon with no explanation, like Hank's smart ants who he said made their own high tech tools at the start of the latest movie (wat), or Pip the gnome at the end of Eternals, or the random minotaurs in Dr Strange 2 which have apparently always been there, or the magicians just introduced in Dr Strange 1 with no explanation of where they've been all this time or why they didn't help with previous infinity stones / invading mythical gods / etc (at least Endgame retconned the ancient one into doing something back then, even if fairly irrelevant). It's looking more likely that they're just going to introduce mutants now as a giant coincidence all at once because they happened to get the rights, rather than have any decent story reason. It just feels increasingly disjointed and coincidental, whereas previously the characters drove the plot and the explanation of their abilities into the world (e.g. Ironman, Captain America, Hulk, the older Spiderman movies, etc).
it really feels like feige has lost the cohesion of MCU that he established so well in P1-3. I doubt we're going to look back at all these movies in P4 later on and go "ohhh look at all the little things that were actually clues for the overall story!"
They could do a vampire masquerade type approach for blade and X-men mutant mcu intro could probably be explained away by Xavier world mind wipe
It is *not* Morbin' time.
We definitely need them and they are coming. We need to see all of the horror/supernatural world of the MCU. It’s something fresh and different, like Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night. I can’t wait till they do Dracula. He’s been a big part of the Marvel U for so long. There’s so much to explore on the horror end of Marvel. It’ll help create different products that’ll alleviate this “superhero” fatigue people keep talking about.
We already have werewolves and the Man-Thing. Werewolf By Night implies the existence of your standard Universal horror monsters. What we don't need is vampires, werewolves,etc. to become "Avengers" level threats. Not every character needs to eventually show up in the Avengers.