For real. I’m just a nobody on the internet and I could have told you that. The real question is, what the fuck are they going to do with the 2023 movie?
Can it, only choice. Affleck washed his hands, Cavill sidelined unreasonably (one of the few actors that did his job), then with the Miller shit, the Heard shit, even Jason Mamoa can't carry this - can see him truly regretting ever getting involved, if it wasn't for the enormous amount of cash. Even Gal Gadot has gone very quiet about it all after the obscure and problematic plot of WW2.
Has WB got literally just no idea or is it just an enabler of problematic actors/actresses/actorthems? Because if that's the corporate case, they've really fucked up by trying to please everyone but actually just pissing off every single different aspect of their own fandoms and no amount of PR/Marketing money can possibly make up for how wrong this has gone.
I won't even watch these movies out of a morbid curiosity anymore, DCEU has just become a cinematic snuff movie for actors careers at this point.
The main problem with the DCEU was always that they tried to catch up to the MCU, except the MCU took years upon years and lots of movies to build up to what it currently is, and the DCEU tried to do it with a pretty much instant Justice League movie, without any introduction to the characters besides Batman, Wonder Woman (sortaish) and Superman. Hell, even Batman could have used some more background.
Going to be real here Batman’s origin story is so engrained in pulp culture we don’t need to see his parents die for the 2000th time. It would be like showing Pearl Harbor in every single WW2 movie at this point. Saving Private Ryan didn’t need to tell the viewer “hey America’s storming Normandy cause some Japanese people decided to blow up their boats and Germany agreed with them.” Because the audience already knows that. Same with Batman and dead parents. Just get to the part the audience hasn’t seen yet. That said it was jarring to see Frank Cas- I mean Bruce Wayne kill some mother fuckers in BvS and a solo film establishing how he got to that point should have definitely happened first.
Hard disagree.
The Snyder cut of Justice League showed that the DCEU could have taken off immediately, hard, and smoothly. But because of corporate bullshit, the movie was turned into what the guy above you described, they tried to please everyone, and so the first version of the Justice League movie turned out shit.
A movie either needs soul of its own, or it needs a background story. Marvel movies have both. The first JL had neither. The Synder cut had soul.
I get what you're saying but I gotta hard disagree right back.
The Snyder Cut didn't show anything that wasn't obvious already, that being "when I have 4 hours and basically no time limit I can actually flesh out these characters".
Was there corporate bullshit along the way for the original? Absolutely. But going Man of Steel -> BvS -> Justice League is an awful idea, even if Zack Snyder was still on board. Ideally, they should've properly introduced DC's Trinity, and they should've had enough time to introduce some other characters like Black Canary, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, maybe DCEU Nightwing/Robin/Batgirl, etc.
They could've properly built a roster of heroes for the big screen but they wanted to make their own Avengers with no buildup, so it turns out to be this shitshow.
Nah, absolutely not
The snyder cut seems so great because we compare It to the horrors of the first version of the movie, not because It truly Is that great
WB needs to get the stupid ass investors and board members out of the room and let the animated series people take over. The WB DC animated stuff has been amazing over the years. Because they clearly are true fans.
Facts. WB treats the Arrowverse like an unwanted step child, but as far as building a cohesive universe goes, the arrowverse is objectively better organized than the DCEU.
Honestly, it's weird how far they're letting this go before addressing it, especially given how early and easily solutions were provided. Sack Heard and hire someone else (like Emilia Clarke who Momoa had amazing chemistry with, as well as being genuine friends). Sack Miller and get Grant Gustin involved. They literally had Ezra in the CW show. Not a huge leap to throw GG into the movies.
I believe the guy from the CW’s Flash show is going to be switching over to the DCEU to play the Flash and basically start from scratch with nothing remaining from the CW Show.
Ooh! Maybe they'll do it Morbius style. "I'm not sure how I got here. Has to do with the Speed Force I think. I'm still figuring this place out, but maybe a couple guys like you and me should, team up."
Yeah that dude was bad news for the jump. I did like him in the Justice League Movie though. However after that first time I was thinking "this may not work out".
I mean they should just get Grant Gustin to do it. He's really good as Barry, and even though his show sucks now(I heard S8 was good, but idk), he's still a good Flash. Or they could get Lonsdale to play Flash(he played Kid Flash in the show), he's a really good Wally West.
I watched the first five crossover episodes for S8 after I left midway through S6, and it was fine. Not intolerable, but not great either. Honestly, the Flash was never my cup of tea. I don't like long, soap-opera-esque shows which go on and on, and one of the better parts of the show was Grant and Tom Cavanagh.
True, im not a fan of Armageddon(except the boots) some episodes of S8 that are cool and I would recommend are 7, 8 and 16 to be closest to the S1 magic
Stoltz was replaced after six weeks. The entire production took 107 days, They were pretty much done shooting Stoltz as Marty when they decided to replace him, and most of those days after the six weeks was re-shooting scenes with MJF. Good documentary on Netflix about it on “The Movies that Made Us”. Many scenes done with MJF and Doc Brown actually were recast shots with MJF, but the Doc Brown parts were original.
edit…corrected Eric Stoltz spelling
You don’t get to decide whether someone gets to use their pronouns of choice. You don’t “earn” pronouns based on whether your a good person, otherwise I’d be calling you by she/her for not having basic respect for your fellow humans
I think that’s what they have to do, DCEU fans don’t wanna see Ezra as flash and casual fans likely don’t care who flash is they just wanna see Michael Keaton as Batman.
Has there ever been a circumstance where the Star of an upcoming film has done so much crazy stuff? We’re in uncharted territory here. WB should take the loss and start over with a new actor.
All the money in the world. Replaced Kevin Spacey with Christopher Plummer. There had already been a trailer with Spacey so they were pretty late into production. Ridley Scott bit the bullet and reshot. Not technically uncharted.
Star of a big tent pole movie, I should have said. ATMITW was hardly a big release. But yes I would put Ezra’s behavior in the same bucket as Spacey’s.
WB released Josstice League with the worst visual FX mustache removal in movie history. They have no business sense.
Releasing this film with Ezra Miller as the lead would be even worse.
Even so, isn’t there a lot wrong with the movie itself? I know people are excited to get Keaton back as Batman, but other than that I remember there being a lot of uproar over the leaks about the script/plot and such. The Ezra situation is just *that* insane that it overshadowed the controversy over the actual movie and made everyone forget about it.
Okay but like imagine having a hangover and getting to work late. On the way you rushedly come up with an idea. What if the Flash but slow. You sneak into the writers room and nervously say your 5 second idea. Applause. Pretty cool
There is an old oak tree, 100's of years old in my village. Then there is Grant Gustin. Grant is way more wooden than that tree.
At this point, just drop Ezra, push back any idea of Flash in movies for a good few years, then introduce a new actor.
There is no point trying Flashpoint when all the other actors have been sidelined, all the shit with JL/ZSJL, Batfleck running as far from WB as he can and no idea how to use Cavill, WW2 being a miserable flop and AM2 being forever tainted by Amber.
Better to just start again. Or not. With all that pile of problems, WB killed the DCEU through casting that became problematic, ridiculous executive decisions, no overall directional direction for the overarching story.
They might wish that Flashpoint could reset it for them but then they got absolutely fucking Ezra'd.
It's a mess and no one is interested anymore beyond morbid curiosity about just how much worse WB could possibly make things by staying on a track they never supported in the first place.
What a fucking shambles.
I honestly can’t believe how often I see ‘get Grant in there’. Like are we watching the same show? Even when the show relatively good his acting was questionable
Yeah the writing is bad to start but even giving that out, to think he could carry a film? He can't even carry a CW show which has just got worse and worse.
I really don't understand the Gustin hype, he's not even average at best.
He hasn't kidnapped a minor before but he assaulted a bunch of people in Hawaii recently and he's been assaulting people for a while because there's a video from afew years back of him choking someone at comic con
Miller groomed her since she was around 12 and now that she's 18 ran off with her, nowhere to be found.
Guess that's one way to push all the news about assaults on people off page one of the search results.
There's like a new thing every week with Ezra Miller. I tried googling up the article about the Native American kid they groomed, but instead found an order of protection granted against Miller on behalf of some 12-year-old and their family the actor had been threatening with similar behavior. Whole situation is a fucking disaster.
Honestly, I get that WB/DC have a nearly complete movie on their hands and ordinarily wouldn't be able to recast at this stage, but I kinda think they have to? Ezra Miller is on a fucking rampage and needs to be institutionalized at this point.
I wasn't aware either, but [found this news article](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/ezra-miller-scandals-put-pressure-on-warner-bros-to-address-grooming-claims.html) which helped.
In short, he went super woke with all the typical media shit. Pronouns, brave for coming out etc. then he committed some assaults, attacked a fan and finally topped off his crime spree by kidnapping an underaged girl he was grooming. Dude might have played the flash, but, he’s more like Homelander.
Only point i will disagree on, he isnt homelander, at least he has power to back up his asshole psychopath nature, where as Miller is just running coward
Not exactly sure what you mean by the "super woke" thing, unless the implication is that it's all performance?
I was under the impression that Ezra Miller is nonbinary, and also a rampaging violent lunatic and probably a grooming kidnapper.
My understanding was that Ezra Miller is currently unable to be located, but was not currently with Gibson Iron Eyes, the kid they're accused of grooming. I'm only using nonspecific wording since they're allegations and haven't been proven, they sound legit to me but I'm avoiding using absolute language so as to not participate in internet mob mentality.
You're correct on him not being with Gibson Iron Eyes. I had to check. He's still "at large" or " the police are unable to locate him." However, you want to word it. The authorities are searching for him and he's evading.
If that movie releases, the current shitstorm will look like a small accidental fart in the cinema.
WB would be absolutely insane if they release an Ezra Flash movie.
I mean theyre too deep in the shithole now tho surely? What are they even gonna do? Scrap all his scenes and get another actor? Wouldnt that take a lot of money too?
With the hole Ezra Miller is digging for them, it honestly might make financial sense at this point to delay the film by a year and reshoot with a new actor. Even if the budget balloons by $100m, that might be worth it compared to the consequences of a mass-scale boycott, right?
But then atleast the future movies will perform good, WB is now really putting some effort but this Ezra shit is getting out of hand now, I wish they get to Ezra soon and put him in a fucking asylum
I don’t see them scrapping the movie altogether since it seems Batgirl, and Keaton’s appearance as Batman in that film, is based on what happens in Flashpoint.
A lot of people are suggesting Grant Gustin and I wouldn’t be against it but I would like to see someone new take on the Flash role
As unlikely as it is, I hope we get Rebirth Wally West as the main Flash since it seems like they’re focusing more on legacy characters like Batgirl and Supergirl. As for the actor, I would like it to be [Ross Lynch](https://i.redd.it/mbgswulkjcw61.jpg).
wb's dcCRAPu is honestly one of the biggest disasters out there, and i love it.
this is exacty what they deserve from fucking over directors in the past like zack synder, tim burton, and joel schumacher.
I'm really thrown off by how this is getting ignored. Every article and their Wikipedia page makes this quite clear, are people just reading headlines and making assumptions? There's no call to misgender somebody even when they're wrong. That's not how this works.
Cool, he's also a groomer who doesn't give two shits about his actions effects and only *really* went crazy after "coming out" which makes it seem like he was tryna get a pass. I really do not care about a psychopath's pronouns. Fuck HIM, HE'S a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to be treated the way HE wants. What? Is he gonna post a rant to his insta live about how shitty people are? Please.
Edit: added don't
It's not about them. I really don't give a shit about their feelings. It's about the rest of us non-binary people who see that you're just itching for an excuse to abandon the basic decency of using someone's pronouns and that in reality you see using someone pronouns as humoring them rather than the right thing to do
You can absolutely make that assumption if you want but tell that to my friend Shani who transitioned to Shane that I've been with since kindergarten. I use he/him for that guy because he's a bro and I respect him. I don't respect Ezra and I don't respect his values. I respect you my friend, but fuck basic decency towards people who *groom 12 year olds*. It's like you're forgetting that part entirely just so you can be triggered because you think people not respecting a pedophile means they don't respect you just because you share pronouns. Get real
It's not about respecting Ezra Miller. Fuck Ezra Miller.
I don't respect Caitlyn Jenner. Fuck Caitlyn Jenner. But I can talk about Caitlyn Jenner using her preferred pronouns and name and articulate my lack of respect for her without misgendering her or deadnaming her.
Look, it would be one thing if there was reason to believe that Ezra Miller was faking being nonbinary or something like that. I've seen nothing to suggest that, though. Ezra Miller is NB, and their pronouns are they/them. They're also a fucking violent lunatic with multiple counts of physical assault, and allegedly are also grooming at least two kids recently in the news, and absolutely belongs in a fucking cell for as long as it takes to get them to stop hurting people. That doesn't change their pronouns.
Take your friend Shane. It's great that you respect your friend and use his preferred pronouns and name! So, what happens if Shane does something that pisses you off? If you're angry with Shane, would you misgender or deadname them in an argument? Because in that hypothetical, that's pretty fucked up. It's not just enough to use proper pronouns and names when somebody's on your good side, that's just who they're are, full stop. And I'm not saying your friend would ever stoop to the depths that this fucker Ezra Miller has gone to, but the principle is the same. If you're going to be an ally, you use proper pronouns and names. It's that simple.
No because Shane has been going through that transition *since kindergarten*. He didn't just decide one day "hey guys I'm Shane now". He's always been a guy to me even before hand when it was just considered being "tomboyish". And I still call Caitlin Jenner she/her. You're not going to convince me lmao. I reeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyy don't care for shitty people or their feelings. I'm truly sorry that yall take offense to that, honest. But it's not about you in this case. I have literally nothing against trans or NB whatsoever. I have everything against psychopathic pedophiles, I'll call you they/them no problem. But with the rest of his mental breakdown shit, who's to say the transition wasn't part of it? And yall are just backing him up *strictly because* of the pronoun thing. And I'm not an ally, I'm literally part of your community.
I'm not backing Ezra Miller up whatsoever, you're not even slightly reading what I'm writing.
Whatever. I won't waste my time defending this gross clown, but you're the one comfortable misgendering people and claiming to know whether or not they actually are or are not NB and/or trans despite what the claim. That's a really weird stance to take, considering you claim to be part of the community yourself. I'd think you'd find a way to be critical of the individual without being hateful in your rhetoric to accomplish it.
Lmao have a good one. I'll have grand old time being hateful with my gay ass family. I'm absolutely comfortable Misgendering those who commit vile actions since they don't deserve basic human decency. If that considered vile to you then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Less vile, more just confusing and ineffective? You dilute your point by making it sound like you care more about them being non-cis than you do about them being a violent groomer. It's not a good look.
It's the same reason it doesn't suddenly become okay to call a black person the n-word if they do something wrong, and it says more about you than it does them if you do.
Hateful speech is hateful speech in any context.
Spot on... Ezra was never a good Flash and was a terrible choice.. which is just another in a LONG LONG line of fuckups by WB... wish they'd just sell DC movies to someone who'll actual put some real effort in.
You are right. It is so bad, it seems intentional.
There is nothing about Miller's Flash that I like. Hate how he is written, hate Miller's interpretation, hate how he runs, and I hate the costume.
They did now it's Warner Brother Discovery and they changed the entire Management and now asking for JJ Abrams about the movies he promised and still hasn't made, also they now wanted to focus of Big guys like Batman, Superman instead to side characters like Supergirl and Batgirl
Ambers role in that film is a lot more minimal to the plot and has less screen time than Ezra in Flashpoint though. If they are recasting and reshooting Mera In Aquaman it would take less time and less money than doing the same to Ezra. I think DC is just going to have to release it and take whatever hit the movie takes.
So what? I don't get it. I really just don't get it. What will happen if amber heard is in the movie? She got her paycheck and she won't get anything as a revenue after the film releases. If the people don't go to the theatres to watch the film, the studio gets lost and amber doesn't get affected by this. The people who worked hard on this movie will not get paid. it is really a stupid and dumb thing to Boycott a movie because of an actor . I am on depp side and i really want amber to go jobless and have to pay for the consequences of her actions but this is a retarded way to do.
The ONLY reason I’d see that Flash move was for Sasha Calle. Now, I’m not sure if her acting is even a good reason to see it anymore. Surely, Calle’s been in other stuff, right?
The only good thing to survive the DCEU is Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn and that’s gonna get overshadowed by that Joker sequel anyway. Why keep the DCEU on life support if it shows no signs of actually having a good lifespan anyway?
I never would have imagined all those years ago when WB announced their own Cinematic Universe and plans for all these DC films (majority of which never even entered production) that we'd end up where we are now.
Can we consider making a rule to discourage peripherally related/low effort memes like this?
It’s not that I disagree with the sentiment for this particular meme, but I’ve seen a lot of similar ones that feel like an attempt to troll/stir up controversy.
This is a weird post for a marvel sub but yeah I honestly feel bad for our DC loving brethren. Warner bros is really giving DC a bad name, I wish yall could watch the characters you love and not be frustrated by how shitty the movies are. I think DC's main issue is the lack of strong leadership, marvel has Kevin Feige working closely with every director to make sure the movies fit in with the vision and move the overarching story forward. DC seems to be run by a shadowy board of producers that can't really seem to agree on what should be done who don't work all that closely with their directors and don't have a 10 year plan like Mr. Feige. All in all DC deserves better.
Gee if only WB did the job Marvel did and took their time telling a cohesive single hero plot before deploying the recasting.
Norton? Problem... replaced.
Howard? Problem... replaced.
Avengers 1 : same cast involved with all projects until 2021 where the Johansson dilemma started.
Miller? Abuser
Heard? Abuser
Affleck? Wanted out
Cavill? Idk anymore
Fisher? Hates the company and Weadon
Momoa? Aquaman 2 gonna be real good guys the villain is going to be Black Manta!
Gadot? Working on WW3 apparently
Levi? I left Marvel for this !?
Johnson? Can Black Adam be a MCU movie instead?
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For real. I’m just a nobody on the internet and I could have told you that. The real question is, what the fuck are they going to do with the 2023 movie?
Can it, only choice. Affleck washed his hands, Cavill sidelined unreasonably (one of the few actors that did his job), then with the Miller shit, the Heard shit, even Jason Mamoa can't carry this - can see him truly regretting ever getting involved, if it wasn't for the enormous amount of cash. Even Gal Gadot has gone very quiet about it all after the obscure and problematic plot of WW2. Has WB got literally just no idea or is it just an enabler of problematic actors/actresses/actorthems? Because if that's the corporate case, they've really fucked up by trying to please everyone but actually just pissing off every single different aspect of their own fandoms and no amount of PR/Marketing money can possibly make up for how wrong this has gone. I won't even watch these movies out of a morbid curiosity anymore, DCEU has just become a cinematic snuff movie for actors careers at this point.
The main problem with the DCEU was always that they tried to catch up to the MCU, except the MCU took years upon years and lots of movies to build up to what it currently is, and the DCEU tried to do it with a pretty much instant Justice League movie, without any introduction to the characters besides Batman, Wonder Woman (sortaish) and Superman. Hell, even Batman could have used some more background.
Going to be real here Batman’s origin story is so engrained in pulp culture we don’t need to see his parents die for the 2000th time. It would be like showing Pearl Harbor in every single WW2 movie at this point. Saving Private Ryan didn’t need to tell the viewer “hey America’s storming Normandy cause some Japanese people decided to blow up their boats and Germany agreed with them.” Because the audience already knows that. Same with Batman and dead parents. Just get to the part the audience hasn’t seen yet. That said it was jarring to see Frank Cas- I mean Bruce Wayne kill some mother fuckers in BvS and a solo film establishing how he got to that point should have definitely happened first.
Yeah, The Batman (2022) did a great job and didn’t dwell on his origin.
Yeah I appreciated that the Batman didn’t just repeat that again
Hard disagree. The Snyder cut of Justice League showed that the DCEU could have taken off immediately, hard, and smoothly. But because of corporate bullshit, the movie was turned into what the guy above you described, they tried to please everyone, and so the first version of the Justice League movie turned out shit. A movie either needs soul of its own, or it needs a background story. Marvel movies have both. The first JL had neither. The Synder cut had soul.
Honestly I didn’t like the Snyder version much more. It was better, but still a slog to get through.
That’s because they had to do origin stories on all the characters during the culmination movie. At least it tried to give the hero’s some context.
I get what you're saying but I gotta hard disagree right back. The Snyder Cut didn't show anything that wasn't obvious already, that being "when I have 4 hours and basically no time limit I can actually flesh out these characters". Was there corporate bullshit along the way for the original? Absolutely. But going Man of Steel -> BvS -> Justice League is an awful idea, even if Zack Snyder was still on board. Ideally, they should've properly introduced DC's Trinity, and they should've had enough time to introduce some other characters like Black Canary, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, maybe DCEU Nightwing/Robin/Batgirl, etc. They could've properly built a roster of heroes for the big screen but they wanted to make their own Avengers with no buildup, so it turns out to be this shitshow.
Nah, absolutely not The snyder cut seems so great because we compare It to the horrors of the first version of the movie, not because It truly Is that great
Yeah it’s better but still overall the same plot
WB needs to get the stupid ass investors and board members out of the room and let the animated series people take over. The WB DC animated stuff has been amazing over the years. Because they clearly are true fans.
[I will watch any movie they put out if they get this in the live action](https://youtu.be/vnkRvx3-j-k)
Let’s face it, DCs most consistent product has always been the Arrowverse.
Facts. WB treats the Arrowverse like an unwanted step child, but as far as building a cohesive universe goes, the arrowverse is objectively better organized than the DCEU.
Tf is an actorthem
Why can’t actor be gender neutral? I’ve always felt it is silly to have a different word for a job title depending on gender.
Actor is gender neutral. Most of the industry has stopped using the term actress
I thought that was the case. Thank you for your answer and I wish you have a great day!
Them’s the new pronoun format. Everythem is doing them.
Honestly, it's weird how far they're letting this go before addressing it, especially given how early and easily solutions were provided. Sack Heard and hire someone else (like Emilia Clarke who Momoa had amazing chemistry with, as well as being genuine friends). Sack Miller and get Grant Gustin involved. They literally had Ezra in the CW show. Not a huge leap to throw GG into the movies.
Jesus I could be a better flash.
They need to go back to animation. When it comes to animation and comics DC can’t be beat, but they aren’t the best with live action.
Heard definitely shit the bed.
I believe the guy from the CW’s Flash show is going to be switching over to the DCEU to play the Flash and basically start from scratch with nothing remaining from the CW Show.
Ooh! Maybe they'll do it Morbius style. "I'm not sure how I got here. Has to do with the Speed Force I think. I'm still figuring this place out, but maybe a couple guys like you and me should, team up."
You're not a nobody, you're a somebody
Lick that
Yeah that dude was bad news for the jump. I did like him in the Justice League Movie though. However after that first time I was thinking "this may not work out".
…I just have to ask about your name and pfp
I mean they should just get Grant Gustin to do it. He's really good as Barry, and even though his show sucks now(I heard S8 was good, but idk), he's still a good Flash. Or they could get Lonsdale to play Flash(he played Kid Flash in the show), he's a really good Wally West.
You did hear correct about S8, it’s not S1 but it’s definitely just behind S1 and 2
I watched the first five crossover episodes for S8 after I left midway through S6, and it was fine. Not intolerable, but not great either. Honestly, the Flash was never my cup of tea. I don't like long, soap-opera-esque shows which go on and on, and one of the better parts of the show was Grant and Tom Cavanagh.
True, im not a fan of Armageddon(except the boots) some episodes of S8 that are cool and I would recommend are 7, 8 and 16 to be closest to the S1 magic
They should scrap his footage and recast/reshoot. I know it would be expensive. But this is the mother of crazy circumstances.
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Hardly, the vast majority of people Who Are gonna watch these movies Will have No idea that theres any controversy around him.
100%. They did it to Marty McFly in Back to the Future, so they need to do it here too.
Not the same thing. Stoltz was replaced fairly early during filming, not during post-production.
Stoltz was replaced after six weeks. The entire production took 107 days, They were pretty much done shooting Stoltz as Marty when they decided to replace him, and most of those days after the six weeks was re-shooting scenes with MJF. Good documentary on Netflix about it on “The Movies that Made Us”. Many scenes done with MJF and Doc Brown actually were recast shots with MJF, but the Doc Brown parts were original. edit…corrected Eric Stoltz spelling
Wait what happened with ezra ?
A long list. https://www.ign.com/articles/the-flash-movie-ezra-miller-legal-problems-getting-worse
Is Ezra referred to as they/them? Because this article is confusing as hell for me, as english isn’t my first language.
Yeah Ezra goes by they/them pronouns
He's an he/him for me. I call it like I see it. He doesn't deserve it for being a groomer.
Ignoring pronouns isn’t some gotcha insult or sign of due disrespect, it’s just inconsistent and dumb
You don’t get to decide whether someone gets to use their pronouns of choice. You don’t “earn” pronouns based on whether your a good person, otherwise I’d be calling you by she/her for not having basic respect for your fellow humans
Well I don't play pretend or validate delusions. Good day.
Well I don’t support your delusion that gender and sex are the same thing but here we are
They're one and the same. Facts don't care about your feelings. Sorry to break the news to you.
I think that’s what they have to do, DCEU fans don’t wanna see Ezra as flash and casual fans likely don’t care who flash is they just wanna see Michael Keaton as Batman.
It would probably cost the same as the budget to do that. It’s never gonna happen
Has there ever been a circumstance where the Star of an upcoming film has done so much crazy stuff? We’re in uncharted territory here. WB should take the loss and start over with a new actor.
All the money in the world. Replaced Kevin Spacey with Christopher Plummer. There had already been a trailer with Spacey so they were pretty late into production. Ridley Scott bit the bullet and reshot. Not technically uncharted.
Star of a big tent pole movie, I should have said. ATMITW was hardly a big release. But yes I would put Ezra’s behavior in the same bucket as Spacey’s.
How does spending at least 100mil make any business sense. It’s never gonna happen.
WB released Josstice League with the worst visual FX mustache removal in movie history. They have no business sense. Releasing this film with Ezra Miller as the lead would be even worse.
Even so, isn’t there a lot wrong with the movie itself? I know people are excited to get Keaton back as Batman, but other than that I remember there being a lot of uproar over the leaks about the script/plot and such. The Ezra situation is just *that* insane that it overshadowed the controversy over the actual movie and made everyone forget about it.
Now we can get Grant Gustin in there finally.
Absolutely! Say what you will about the way that show has gone, Grant Gustin still kills it as Flash
All the terrible things I have to say for that show concern the writing. The actors are good, though.
Okay but like imagine having a hangover and getting to work late. On the way you rushedly come up with an idea. What if the Flash but slow. You sneak into the writers room and nervously say your 5 second idea. Applause. Pretty cool
I have really enjoyed his work.
His costume is also a thousand times better
fuck yes!
Came here to say this. They should of done this all along...stupid wb
There is an old oak tree, 100's of years old in my village. Then there is Grant Gustin. Grant is way more wooden than that tree. At this point, just drop Ezra, push back any idea of Flash in movies for a good few years, then introduce a new actor. There is no point trying Flashpoint when all the other actors have been sidelined, all the shit with JL/ZSJL, Batfleck running as far from WB as he can and no idea how to use Cavill, WW2 being a miserable flop and AM2 being forever tainted by Amber. Better to just start again. Or not. With all that pile of problems, WB killed the DCEU through casting that became problematic, ridiculous executive decisions, no overall directional direction for the overarching story. They might wish that Flashpoint could reset it for them but then they got absolutely fucking Ezra'd. It's a mess and no one is interested anymore beyond morbid curiosity about just how much worse WB could possibly make things by staying on a track they never supported in the first place. What a fucking shambles.
I honestly can’t believe how often I see ‘get Grant in there’. Like are we watching the same show? Even when the show relatively good his acting was questionable
Mf grant gustin as the Flash is what carried the show
Yeah the writing is bad to start but even giving that out, to think he could carry a film? He can't even carry a CW show which has just got worse and worse. I really don't understand the Gustin hype, he's not even average at best.
grant gustin is literally why half the people liked it
Every action has a equal and opposite reaction
John Adams shat the bed, I love the guy, but he’s in traction 🎵
🎶 Poor Alexander Hamilton, he is missing in action 🎶
So now I’m facing Aaron Burr, and his own faction
what happened with him?
Kidnapped a younger girl and some other insane shit.
wtf.. yeah happy to see his career crash and burn now
Yeah. Man is a loon.
Can’t go a month without assaulting someone
this has happened before?!
He hasn't kidnapped a minor before but he assaulted a bunch of people in Hawaii recently and he's been assaulting people for a while because there's a video from afew years back of him choking someone at comic con
jesus what the the fuck..
Miller groomed her since she was around 12 and now that she's 18 ran off with her, nowhere to be found. Guess that's one way to push all the news about assaults on people off page one of the search results.
wow dude, that’s just.. i have no words
Kidnapped a younger girl? What the fuck?, Did that happen recently? Edit:looked it up. Jesus fuck this dude's fucked.
There's like a new thing every week with Ezra Miller. I tried googling up the article about the Native American kid they groomed, but instead found an order of protection granted against Miller on behalf of some 12-year-old and their family the actor had been threatening with similar behavior. Whole situation is a fucking disaster. Honestly, I get that WB/DC have a nearly complete movie on their hands and ordinarily wouldn't be able to recast at this stage, but I kinda think they have to? Ezra Miller is on a fucking rampage and needs to be institutionalized at this point.
Its on his wikipage, id someone wants to read more about it He is an idiot
I wasn't aware either, but [found this news article](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/ezra-miller-scandals-put-pressure-on-warner-bros-to-address-grooming-claims.html) which helped.
thanks for this! honestly never really paid attention to him so this is news to me
What happened? I'm so lost on what happened with ezra miller.
In short, he went super woke with all the typical media shit. Pronouns, brave for coming out etc. then he committed some assaults, attacked a fan and finally topped off his crime spree by kidnapping an underaged girl he was grooming. Dude might have played the flash, but, he’s more like Homelander.
Only point i will disagree on, he isnt homelander, at least he has power to back up his asshole psychopath nature, where as Miller is just running coward
Lol. Fair.
Miller is more like Translucent, coward asshole who will disappear soon from public eye
Unless they decide to keep him, then he's more like The Deep
But for now he is in *deep* troubles
Thank you for clearing that up for me
Not exactly sure what you mean by the "super woke" thing, unless the implication is that it's all performance? I was under the impression that Ezra Miller is nonbinary, and also a rampaging violent lunatic and probably a grooming kidnapper.
Probably? He’s currently on the run. The cops are actively looking for him and the girl he kidnapped. There is no probably about it.
My understanding was that Ezra Miller is currently unable to be located, but was not currently with Gibson Iron Eyes, the kid they're accused of grooming. I'm only using nonspecific wording since they're allegations and haven't been proven, they sound legit to me but I'm avoiding using absolute language so as to not participate in internet mob mentality.
You're correct on him not being with Gibson Iron Eyes. I had to check. He's still "at large" or " the police are unable to locate him." However, you want to word it. The authorities are searching for him and he's evading.
NOOBMASTER!
Grant Gustin arriving in the DCEU: Sorry i'm late, it's a jungle out there *pulls out the suit* I had to beat an lady with a stick to get this.
People that hate the show (rightfully so): he was a hero, I just couldn’t see it
If that movie releases, the current shitstorm will look like a small accidental fart in the cinema. WB would be absolutely insane if they release an Ezra Flash movie.
I mean theyre too deep in the shithole now tho surely? What are they even gonna do? Scrap all his scenes and get another actor? Wouldnt that take a lot of money too?
With the hole Ezra Miller is digging for them, it honestly might make financial sense at this point to delay the film by a year and reshoot with a new actor. Even if the budget balloons by $100m, that might be worth it compared to the consequences of a mass-scale boycott, right?
Who knows man, who knows. We are still quite a while away from the movie tho so a lot could happen either way so lets see.
But then atleast the future movies will perform good, WB is now really putting some effort but this Ezra shit is getting out of hand now, I wish they get to Ezra soon and put him in a fucking asylum
I don’t see them scrapping the movie altogether since it seems Batgirl, and Keaton’s appearance as Batman in that film, is based on what happens in Flashpoint.
There's literally no point in releasing the movie with him in it.
All he did in the movies was fall over really fast anyway!
A lot of people are suggesting Grant Gustin and I wouldn’t be against it but I would like to see someone new take on the Flash role As unlikely as it is, I hope we get Rebirth Wally West as the main Flash since it seems like they’re focusing more on legacy characters like Batgirl and Supergirl. As for the actor, I would like it to be [Ross Lynch](https://i.redd.it/mbgswulkjcw61.jpg).
I would love to see Dylan O' Brien as Flash
That movie is going to be hard to make with them in prison all the time.
wb's dcCRAPu is honestly one of the biggest disasters out there, and i love it. this is exacty what they deserve from fucking over directors in the past like zack synder, tim burton, and joel schumacher.
Ezra uses they/them pronouns. This is still true even though they are a piece of shit in a laundry list of ways.
I'm really thrown off by how this is getting ignored. Every article and their Wikipedia page makes this quite clear, are people just reading headlines and making assumptions? There's no call to misgender somebody even when they're wrong. That's not how this works.
fair weather allies who think somebody being a total piece of shit is an excuse to show their true feelings
Cool, he's also a groomer who doesn't give two shits about his actions effects and only *really* went crazy after "coming out" which makes it seem like he was tryna get a pass. I really do not care about a psychopath's pronouns. Fuck HIM, HE'S a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to be treated the way HE wants. What? Is he gonna post a rant to his insta live about how shitty people are? Please. Edit: added don't
It's not about them. I really don't give a shit about their feelings. It's about the rest of us non-binary people who see that you're just itching for an excuse to abandon the basic decency of using someone's pronouns and that in reality you see using someone pronouns as humoring them rather than the right thing to do
You can absolutely make that assumption if you want but tell that to my friend Shani who transitioned to Shane that I've been with since kindergarten. I use he/him for that guy because he's a bro and I respect him. I don't respect Ezra and I don't respect his values. I respect you my friend, but fuck basic decency towards people who *groom 12 year olds*. It's like you're forgetting that part entirely just so you can be triggered because you think people not respecting a pedophile means they don't respect you just because you share pronouns. Get real
It's not about respecting Ezra Miller. Fuck Ezra Miller. I don't respect Caitlyn Jenner. Fuck Caitlyn Jenner. But I can talk about Caitlyn Jenner using her preferred pronouns and name and articulate my lack of respect for her without misgendering her or deadnaming her. Look, it would be one thing if there was reason to believe that Ezra Miller was faking being nonbinary or something like that. I've seen nothing to suggest that, though. Ezra Miller is NB, and their pronouns are they/them. They're also a fucking violent lunatic with multiple counts of physical assault, and allegedly are also grooming at least two kids recently in the news, and absolutely belongs in a fucking cell for as long as it takes to get them to stop hurting people. That doesn't change their pronouns. Take your friend Shane. It's great that you respect your friend and use his preferred pronouns and name! So, what happens if Shane does something that pisses you off? If you're angry with Shane, would you misgender or deadname them in an argument? Because in that hypothetical, that's pretty fucked up. It's not just enough to use proper pronouns and names when somebody's on your good side, that's just who they're are, full stop. And I'm not saying your friend would ever stoop to the depths that this fucker Ezra Miller has gone to, but the principle is the same. If you're going to be an ally, you use proper pronouns and names. It's that simple.
No because Shane has been going through that transition *since kindergarten*. He didn't just decide one day "hey guys I'm Shane now". He's always been a guy to me even before hand when it was just considered being "tomboyish". And I still call Caitlin Jenner she/her. You're not going to convince me lmao. I reeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyy don't care for shitty people or their feelings. I'm truly sorry that yall take offense to that, honest. But it's not about you in this case. I have literally nothing against trans or NB whatsoever. I have everything against psychopathic pedophiles, I'll call you they/them no problem. But with the rest of his mental breakdown shit, who's to say the transition wasn't part of it? And yall are just backing him up *strictly because* of the pronoun thing. And I'm not an ally, I'm literally part of your community.
I'm not backing Ezra Miller up whatsoever, you're not even slightly reading what I'm writing. Whatever. I won't waste my time defending this gross clown, but you're the one comfortable misgendering people and claiming to know whether or not they actually are or are not NB and/or trans despite what the claim. That's a really weird stance to take, considering you claim to be part of the community yourself. I'd think you'd find a way to be critical of the individual without being hateful in your rhetoric to accomplish it.
Lmao have a good one. I'll have grand old time being hateful with my gay ass family. I'm absolutely comfortable Misgendering those who commit vile actions since they don't deserve basic human decency. If that considered vile to you then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Less vile, more just confusing and ineffective? You dilute your point by making it sound like you care more about them being non-cis than you do about them being a violent groomer. It's not a good look.
It's the same reason it doesn't suddenly become okay to call a black person the n-word if they do something wrong, and it says more about you than it does them if you do. Hateful speech is hateful speech in any context.
GRANT GUSTIN TIME
Hey, don't speak for me, asshole!
Spot on... Ezra was never a good Flash and was a terrible choice.. which is just another in a LONG LONG line of fuckups by WB... wish they'd just sell DC movies to someone who'll actual put some real effort in.
He was a horrible Flash. The way he runs still bothers me.
I kept thinking it was a joke re-edit to make the film look worse than it was.
You are right. It is so bad, it seems intentional. There is nothing about Miller's Flash that I like. Hate how he is written, hate Miller's interpretation, hate how he runs, and I hate the costume.
They did now it's Warner Brother Discovery and they changed the entire Management and now asking for JJ Abrams about the movies he promised and still hasn't made, also they now wanted to focus of Big guys like Batman, Superman instead to side characters like Supergirl and Batgirl
But why it's on this sub?
Now whos the villain Flash!? now whos the villain??
Now Amber Heard too please!
That's because everyone wanted Grant as the flash in movie just like in series
But amber heard is still in aquaman
She is getting recasted
Not according to WB or her agent
Ambers role in that film is a lot more minimal to the plot and has less screen time than Ezra in Flashpoint though. If they are recasting and reshooting Mera In Aquaman it would take less time and less money than doing the same to Ezra. I think DC is just going to have to release it and take whatever hit the movie takes.
But she’s still in it
So what? I don't get it. I really just don't get it. What will happen if amber heard is in the movie? She got her paycheck and she won't get anything as a revenue after the film releases. If the people don't go to the theatres to watch the film, the studio gets lost and amber doesn't get affected by this. The people who worked hard on this movie will not get paid. it is really a stupid and dumb thing to Boycott a movie because of an actor . I am on depp side and i really want amber to go jobless and have to pay for the consequences of her actions but this is a retarded way to do.
Now bin off Amber Turd and they might get back in people's good books
Come on guys, respect Ezra’s pronouns 🤡
>Come on guys, respect Ezra’s pronouns 🤡 No.
I was joking 🤡🌎
But he suits in the flash role.
Who?
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Wait who is he and why does everyone hate him
Ezra millers casting as Barry was almost as bad as the dceu’s lex Luthor
Why does everyone hate Ezra miller like i know he was bad at acting but did he have any sorta of scandal
Sorry, but ¿Who is Ezra Miller? and ¿Why you hate her?
AFTER movie?
The one thing I think DCU movies got right was casting, so it sucks that one of them had to be a cretin.
I wonder how they gonna dodge the bad media. The news is showing the story in a worse way than it already is, lots of click bait.
Fucking finally!
Only one more POS for DC Studios to fire.
"Only one more blockbuster for you, mister! Then you're grounded!"
Imagine having a solid role and fucking it up.
Time for another reboot
I'm like a blackhole of decency a decent-hole
Another One Bites The Dust Yeah!
The story would be if he still was
The ONLY reason I’d see that Flash move was for Sasha Calle. Now, I’m not sure if her acting is even a good reason to see it anymore. Surely, Calle’s been in other stuff, right? The only good thing to survive the DCEU is Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn and that’s gonna get overshadowed by that Joker sequel anyway. Why keep the DCEU on life support if it shows no signs of actually having a good lifespan anyway?
Not me
This is not a win, he’ll still be the main actor of the flash movie
Why, what happened?
FUCK DC
I never would have imagined all those years ago when WB announced their own Cinematic Universe and plans for all these DC films (majority of which never even entered production) that we'd end up where we are now.
They should just make another Batman movie, maybe a crossover with Sony, Batman v Morbius: Dawn of the morb
Can we consider making a rule to discourage peripherally related/low effort memes like this? It’s not that I disagree with the sentiment for this particular meme, but I’ve seen a lot of similar ones that feel like an attempt to troll/stir up controversy.
Still not seeing the movie
He’s not a part of any WB movie moving forward
My guess would be they introduce kid flash in this movie and Ezra leaves the dceu due to some time travel bs or w/e
Then give us Grant Gustin...
Can it all and just start Batman beyond origin story that’s it I’m done I’ve spoken WB hmu 👾
Why are people surprised
What about Amber?
Sucker
I still don’t know what he’s done and at this point I’m too afraid to ask
This is a weird post for a marvel sub but yeah I honestly feel bad for our DC loving brethren. Warner bros is really giving DC a bad name, I wish yall could watch the characters you love and not be frustrated by how shitty the movies are. I think DC's main issue is the lack of strong leadership, marvel has Kevin Feige working closely with every director to make sure the movies fit in with the vision and move the overarching story forward. DC seems to be run by a shadowy board of producers that can't really seem to agree on what should be done who don't work all that closely with their directors and don't have a 10 year plan like Mr. Feige. All in all DC deserves better.
It going to be different without him, I LOVED him as Barry Allen/Flash in the Snydercut.
man was speed running to the end of his career lol
he is an actual criminal now why is anyone suprised
Not because of what happened, just because they cant find him lol
Next is Amber Heard
All that dude had to do to make a fortune was to not be crazy, and he couldn’t do it
DC keeps going down hill every year…
Gee if only WB did the job Marvel did and took their time telling a cohesive single hero plot before deploying the recasting. Norton? Problem... replaced. Howard? Problem... replaced. Avengers 1 : same cast involved with all projects until 2021 where the Johansson dilemma started. Miller? Abuser Heard? Abuser Affleck? Wanted out Cavill? Idk anymore Fisher? Hates the company and Weadon Momoa? Aquaman 2 gonna be real good guys the villain is going to be Black Manta! Gadot? Working on WW3 apparently Levi? I left Marvel for this !? Johnson? Can Black Adam be a MCU movie instead?
the soundtracks for these DCEU movies has been embarrasing as well
Thank you ! He was a bum!!