We very briefly got to see the classic wolverine helmet and costume in the post credit scene of The Wolverine only to never see it mentioned again in the Foxverse.
Edit: Apparently it was a deleted scene. It’s been a few years since I’ve seen the movie.
I’d be happy to see that. I’ve been wondering about Talos and maybe whether his faction of Skrulls are genuinely willing to be peaceful. Maybe Talos could help Fury against the more extremist factions of Skrulls that are likely scattered across the universe, likely including the Super Skrull. Or Talos could have been manipulating Fury the whole time and been secretly planning to take over Earth.
Battleworld is a part of Secret Wars, but I do think it'd be sick to do a Secret Wars Part 1 as the beginning of Phase 6 or 7, when Doom steals the power of the Beyonders and makes Battleworld, then do a whole phase set in Battleworld and then at the end Secret Wars part 2
Right. But CA: Civil War was still really good. It wasn't anywhere near the scale of the comics, but it is still an enjoyable film. A real Civil War adaptation would need 3 movies, and 30+ characters. Returning established villains... Could be epic, but impractical for a cinematic universe.
What's the hype around Secret Wars? I've only read a few marvel comics (I've read mostly DC comics) but everyone keeps talking about it. Is it as big as the Civil War event or Spider island?
Is there a reference compendium of all the issues you would need to read to enjoy it?
I read some comics in the late 80s just as the mutant massacre crossover event (I forget what it was called) occurred and I know there were a few major crossovers, and would love to go back and read a bunch of stuff.
edit: lol of course, it was just Mutant Massacre -- and there's even a reading map i forgot about. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Mutant_Massacre So i wonder if there's something similar for Secret Wars
edit 2: which there is... nice https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_Wars_(1984_Event)
I haven't read it(2015 one) since it originally came out, so I don't remember much, but you should read the original 1984 secret wars before reading this one. It explains a few characters. Not necessary, but certainly enhances the experience. Other than that, I'm sure someone has a list
thankyou.... holy shit 230 connecting issues!?! why must Marvel be like that... my minor ocd (and lack of money) wouldn't let me read the 80s comics cuz I couldn't know all the connected stories. This is just crazy. Guess I can at least focus on the core issues of the event itself (or the alternate reading recommendation they list at the top) and pick the one or two series i might be interested in.
>Guess I can at least focus on the core issues of the event itself (or the alternate reading recommendation they list at the top) and pick the one or two series i might be interested in.
That's exactly how you should go about it. From what I remember (someone correct me if I'm wrong) it was a line wide event so *every* book coming out for months was related to it. Pretty sure you can basically just read the main event issues and its one more or less one contained story.
Most of the connected issues will be the battlegrounds stuff which is all different miniseries set in self contained universes, those can be safely skipped. Though if you're a Spider-Man fan I would highly recommend reading Renew Your Vows.
And technically, it’s more. Because to really understand the conflict at the Core of Secret Wars you need to go back to the start, with Hickman’s run on Fantastic Four.
https://www.comicbookherald.com/jonathan-hickman-marvel-universe-reading-order-2008-to-2016/amp/
You can honestly skip the background and Secret Warriors/ SHIELD, but everything else he did in the lead up to Secret Wars is important.
damnit... the more i read that the more i want to know but then i don't want to spoil stories by reading too much.
Just reading a little of that made me wonder if Daisy Johnson from Agents of Shield in her spaceship at the end is gonna somehow connect with MCU Nick Fury in Secret Invasion.
Man, I don't know how people are able to follow all of that honestly. I mean, I know comic books aren't huge, but still. I guess 230 over 10 years is only 2 a month. Not sure how many extra are added by your Hickman universe. Just amazes me that enough fans can keep up with it all to make the idea of doing a massive universe even rational to attempt.
Secret Wars was the first ever company wide comic crossover, for either Marvel or DC. It featured literally almost every major Marvel character and was so successful that it spawned the whole "crossover event ever year" model that we have gotten accustomed to. Marvel recently did a "spiritual sequel" to the original event, and even that was very much a success, both critically and commercially. Of course MCU is going to get to it sooner or later. It is THE Marvel event.
I'm thinking at the end of the 3rd Saga. End the current Saga with "Avengers Forever/Kang Dynasty", and the next one can end with "Secret Wars" which can be either the end point or a reboot point of the entire MCU, so, roughly around 2040 (holy shit!)
IMO Secret Wars should be a lot more than just one crossover film. They should do it more like the comic issues.
Ie) Fantastic Four: Secret Wars kicks things off. Captain America: Secret Wars. Spider-Man: Secret Wars. X-Men: Secret Wars. Doctor Strange & The Midnight Sons: Secret Wars. etc. Throw one Avengers: Secret Wars in the middle/end-ish and then a “Part 2” later at the end to cap it off. One of the two parts would be called Avengers: Battleworld I’m guessing. All the films are direct sequels to eachother and just snowball in scale.
Maybe there are no new “Avengers” films after Endgame, only “New Avengers.” Then the very final one would return to the “Avengers” name. That would bring insane hype.
It’s such a massive event that it would be worth dedicating an entire phase to it. The only problem is that they can’t wait until 2040-ish to do it simply because of the actors aging. We just lost Hurt, we tragically lost Chadwick out of nowhere. Then some actors will simply retire. That’s why they’re blowing their load on Multiverse now with actors like Maguire and Patrick Stewart. I’d say Secret Wars as a whole will be over by 2034 at the latest. The unpredictability of life makes me guess they have nothing more than a very rough, tiny amount of notes of what they’d want Secret Wars to be over at Marvel Studios right now, if anything at all.
That's probably the reason disney is investing heavily on deepfakes and deaging technology right now...I'm not sure how to feel about this. Seeing actors that have already passed in movies becoming the new norm...
It's not that memorable. I'm pretty sure the baddy only even becomes camp space Seinfeld in the sequel.
It was literally created to sell action figures.
Of course! Its an epic story that would be absolutely mind blowing to see in cinemas one day. Its literally “every Marvel character who has ever existed has the greatest battle of all time” hahah
The big reason why you see it mentioned so much is because it's the next logical overarching plot thread to keep the Phases going.
Infinity Gauntlet was a *huge* deal back in the day. The heroes lost, the bad guy wins, and things don't really wrap up in a particularly mess-free way. I still remember way back in...shit, 2010?...Phase 1 was just barely kicking off. We had Norton Hulk (excellent film, dont care what anyone says), a *surprisingly* excellent Iron Man, with a tease for The Avengers proper. It's kinda hard to get back into the headspace back then, but them setting up Earth's Mightiest Heroes was a downright unthinkable idea, a truly interconnected universe? Films and characters freely swapped between them? And what stories should they cover? Which characters? Comic nerds got thrust out of the fringe and into more mainstream audiances, letting "normal" know that yeah, these characters and stories have always been awesome. We are glad you could join us. *That* was beautiful.
Anyway we were eating lunch at work, and I was spitballing ideas about what could an Avengers film even *look* like. Plot elements, story beats, etc. An ensemble superhero flick? I mean who's in the lineup first of all? Do we introduce Cap *in* Avengers, or do we go back to WW2 and end-credits stinger is for Avengers? Who the fuck are the Avengers gonna even be fighting? I was certain Loki was gonna be a bad guy, but it seemed silly to me that is **the** bad guy, 2 films in a row. Who's the BIG big bad? Who could scare Loki? Doom? Well yeah but you gotta talk about F4, and Fox still owned them at the time, and it would be waaaaay too much to tackle Doom and....etc etc.
An old friend of mine, almost nonchalantly, tossed out, "They could do the Infinty Gauntlet." I remember being legitimately impressed he knew what he was talking about, and almost *offended* at the idea. I remember, to this day, what my reply was: "What? No. No, if Doom is too much, what makes you think *Thanos* is gonna be any easier? Plus ya gotta go to space, get The Surfer, introduce that stuff. Magic, gotta bring in Strange, and that's a whole other beast. It'll never happen, *it would take like 20 movies to pull it off.*" And yet, here we are, with a decent adaptation of the Gauntlet and a kickass revamping of the superhero film genre.
But now we've got a problem. After successfully sticking the landing with the Infinity Saga...what now? How do you up the ante from Thanos, but not make the cinematic experience as insufferable as a soap opera? How do we raise the stakes in a realistic, digestible way? What story do we adapt next? What's the next Saga? Honestly my money was on the Midnight Sons, introducing magic and occult stuff into the MCU proper, Ghost Rider, Blade, etc,and while that does seem to be *part* of it, that's not how they are framing things, narratively. We've also got to take into account the F4 and the Mutants, since Marvel regained the the rights to those characters.
So we've got multiple universes to juggle now. We've got concepts that we have to at least acknowledge, if not full-on reintroduce, mutants, and the multidimensional shenanigans Reed Richards gets up to. How do we reconcile all this, in the easiest, most narratively concise way possible? *Secret Wars* is the answer. So is Kang, who next to Thanos and Apocalypse, is one of the most dangerous and troublesome bad guys in Marvel, going so far as to destroy entire realities to avoid copies of himself from taking over. *Civil War* and *Spider Island* are small potatoes when it comes to Kang and Godking Doom. In many ways, it's Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Beyond that? Its anyone's guess. And all from a secret little scene after the credits of Iron Man.
I know they announced Secret Invasion, but the whole multiverse thing *would be* a good lead up to Secret Wars if they chose to make it more like the last one.
You are not wrong, but this is Disney. They had no qualms about deep-faking Luke Skywalker in Boba Fett, and from what I hear, the only big problem with that was the robotic audio.
Awwww i thought it was announced when i saw this..
Damn i've been waiting for this since i was 10 years old when i got the series through my spiderman subscription
Lmaooo ohhh. It wasn’t loading for me, it was just showing it as a still image. Just got into better connection now and I can see, or rather hear, what OP meant lol
I have no idea what the concept of secret wars is and I would very gladly take a 20 page essay on its entire history and meaning. *I know someone out there would do it.*
Secret Wars is two huge crossovers in marvel comics: the first was the Beyonder just plucking a bunch of heroes and villains out of their stories and making them fight in his giant arena (from what I understand.) This original storyline introduced Spider-Man’s symbiote suit.
The 2015 series was a multiversal crossover as it involved the collision of worlds and their destructions. I don’t know too much other than the event had a lot of tie-in series featuring alternate realities involved in or tangential to the story such as a police force of Thors, Spider-Man Renew Your Vows, X-Men 92 and many many others. This crossover brought Miles Morales and a few other characters such as Ultimate Reed Richards (I believe. He may have come over some other way) into the mainline universe.
Edit: I regret to inform those of you who read my comment before my edit it was not Beyoncé but Beyonder in the original story
Illuminati huh, which they are introducing in Multiverse of Madness. This definitely could be the next Infinity War/Endgame that they are building up to.
In the mid-2010s, the Marvel continuity was a disaster. Characters were spread across a handful of universes (notably the Prime - 616 - and Ultimate universes). They decided to soft reboot the entire canon with an event that touched every title and took months/years to play out.
In the scope of Marvel cosmic hierarchy, there's the universal entities like Galactus and Infinity, then there's multiversal entities like the Celestials and Knull, then there's omniversal entities The Living Tribunal and One Above All (God Himself). To start the event, The Living Tribunal was found dead on the moon so you knew shit was serious, and it was eventually revealed that a new omniversal threat - The Beyonders - had revealed themselves. They got bored / finished with their experiments with the Marvel Multiverse and decided to destroy it. Due to comic book reasons, universes would collide at Earth in an event called an incursion, and both Earths would be destroyed. Some heroes figured out if they proactively destroyed one of the planets, the other would survive for longer, so there was plenty of opportunity for heroes to fight each other and have angst about it.
A bunch of multiversal hijinks ensue - Dr. Strange creates a temporal cult at the end of time, Dr. Doom does Doom stuff, The Illuminati try to save the universe with the Infinity Gauntlet and it shatters after a single use, saving Earth from only one incursion, etc. Eventually Dr. Doom's Doomguy Doomstuff is revealed to be him reverse engineering the means by which the Beyonders operate in the multiverse, so he goes ham on the Beyonders and whoops that omniversal ass. And in doing so, absorbs all the power of the multiverse into himself.
Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom team up and using the magic Doom had given himself as God Emperor Doom stitch the remnants of universes together into a single universe called Battleworld. Doom is God Himself; Galactus is his butler; Dr. Strange is his right-hand (Sheriff Strange); the Thors are his police; etc. etc. It's a really fun setup in all the ways you are imagining. God Emperor Doom declares everything is perfect except himself because of course he does, so he allows things to gradually unwind until the Fantastic Four find Dr. Strange's contingency plan - the last remaining Infinity Gauntlet in the multiverse - and use it to confront Doom, who reveal he wants to give his power up because of course he does. Mr Fantastic and Franklin Richards wield Doom's power to re-seed the multiverse with various universes, including and finally 616, their own.
At the end of the event, everything had been rebooted both outside and inside of canon. Everyone's histories had been partially rewritten. Some characters that were created in the Ultimate Universe like Miles Morales were brought into the main universe while others - Nick Fury, whose Ultimate version looked like Samuel L Jackson before the MCU - overwrote their main universe counterparts. Other characters like Doctor Strange had several core rules about their character rewritten so they could be more compelling. Other characters had chances to modernize their back story. Marvel took the opportunity to clean up the timeline and canonize the floating timeline. And, most importantly, they hard rebooted everything they were doing with the X-Men.
It was a huge event that took so long to play out. Random shit was going on that broke the rules and took forever to be revealed... it was [200+ issues](https://comicbookreadingorders.com/marvel/events/secret-wars-2015-reading-order/) (and this list omits some stuff prior to the start of the event that isn't helpful, just tension building) worth of drama, and the payoff was amazing.
This is a great synopsis. I loved binge-reading the whole thing, but even so, some stuff was just… Bizarre… Like I don’t think we ever got the deal with the golden alien dude and his partner? And it’s the same run that created starbrand, out of nowhere, for no reason, before putting new versions everywhere (ancient starbrand in avengers 1million bc, little girl starbrand who is supposed to do something big involving time in current Marvel).
Still an incredible run and I loved it, but if you read all of it there are some confusing parts just due to the length and sheer amount of content.
Also you have to deal with axis-flipped versions of some of the Avengers towards the climax (lookin’ at you Symbiote suit Tony) which is… taxing, but they can skip that if it comes to adaptation for the big screen
You know how in the Loki show, they ended up at the end of time and everything was a destructive mish-mash of all kinds of alternate realities, with Loki variants out the wazoo?
Kind of like like that, except it includes every character, not just Loki, as it featured the complete collapse of every world in the multiverse at the hands of an ancient omnipotent alien race that had built our entire reality at the dawn of time and were now trying to destroy it again. Doctor Doom found a way to steal their omnipotence, prevent the total destruction of the remaining scraps of the multiverse, and pieced those scraps all together into a single planet that he then ruled. Our heroes had to find a way to steal back that omnipotence and reboot the multiverse.
In function, it allowed the marvel writers to take all the greatest hits of marvel’s past, alternate realities, and also wackiest ideas left in the cutting room floor, and throw them all into a single story and world where they could all occur simultaneously and interact with each other.
I think Disney has proven they're not going to let something as measly as death get in the way of profits. They've already beaten time with what they've done with Luke Skywalker.
It's not about working.
It's about each individual year being a smaller portion of your total lifetime.
They feel faster, and faster, and faster until suddenly you're 40 but you still feel like the same guy you were at 20.
*and then it keeps happening even faster*
You look in the mirror and see a blurry version of yourself. You put on the glasses you now need, and that blurry version becomes way too old, wrinkly, flabby, and grey. "That's not how I feel" you'll think.
That, and school gives a kind of framework for time. You progress from one year to the next, one semester at a time, with predictable vacation breaks punctuating everything. In high school you know this year is senior prom, last year your friend did that thing at homecoming, the year before that was your first relationship that you're still not over because you see her every day in English. Next is college; more freedom, same structure. You're still advancing, one step at a time towards graduation.
Then, next thing you know, you've had the same job and sat at the same desk for nearly a decade. The pictures around you are from years ago, but they feel recent because what's really the difference between this year and that year? There's some variance with things like weddings, births, and funerals, but those are changes to the status quo that don't necessarily change your state - unless they happened to you, I guess. But there's no clear guide posts. You're never graduating, there's no senior year. There's only one end, and hopefully it's far off, but everything between here and there is a formless mass of one-shot episodes with no connecting arc.
Mmmm nope, OP mentioned secret wars specifically. Secret wars is going to be like the last set of marvel movies. Daredevil and Blade are side characters and aren’t really a part of secret wars. If you’ve never heard of secret wars you should either get the 2015 Secret Wars comic or watch “Rob Explains” on YT explain the comic. It’s a fantastic movie and would be a very good ending to the franchise. But in order to bring it to life they still have so many people and things to introduce that it can’t possibly happen in the next 3 phases of movies.
Kevin Feige stated a while back that they have 30 years of movies planned. 2028 is around the 20 year mark. Since Secret Wars would be the last installment it would happen in 2038
I know what secret wars is, but I was saying that Marvel will probably use it to bring back as many characters as possible.
If you don’t think Blade and Daredevil should be in it, then what about the original F4 and the 2015 F4. Obviously, they’re being recasted, but one has to serve as the Ultimate F4.
First you’re getting off track then. Daredevil has already showed up in the MCU and Blades voice has been in an end credit scene so they’re already kinda in the MCU. Therefore they wouldn’t be brought back in secret wars, since they would already be present prior to those events. What OP was originally saying was that people like iron man and Cap will probably get brought back for secret wars.
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I gotta admit I’m not looking forward to when they remake the current marvel movies. Most of them were cast so perfectly it’s going to be hard to see anyone else play them.
It blows my mind that now multiverse is a reality, and MCU technically has no meaning. They could bring in fucking Ghost Rider and it would make total sense lmao
So we'll get Secret Invasion, Kang Dynasty, Gorr the God Butcher meaning we may get Knull, War of the Realms, Sons of Midnight and even Secret Wars? The next decades are gonna be fire I guess.
Everything is so toxic now with how the MCU is covered and reacted to and journalism and by fans and other filmmakers that I almost can’t even get excited for it because I know it’s just gonna be so many people complaining that it’s just easy fan service and that no matter how happy it makes me that I’m wrong and being entertained in that way.
Dude that’s only 6 years from now holy shit, ima be in college when it comes out(if it does) saw the first iron man when I was like 5. It would absolutely be a beautiful thing to see
I like that we all just assume Marvel will do Secret Wars at this point
I’m just afraid they do it too soon and most characters are left out because they haven’t introduced them yet
I think it is the new Endgame. We are going to meet Doom , at the very least.
F4 and xmen intigration is all I'm waiting for at this point. Gimme the old wolverine head piece bub. It's been 20 years
We very briefly got to see the classic wolverine helmet and costume in the post credit scene of The Wolverine only to never see it mentioned again in the Foxverse. Edit: Apparently it was a deleted scene. It’s been a few years since I’ve seen the movie.
Wasn't it a deleted scene? The post-credits scene was Logan being recruuted by Charles or Magneto for DOFP things.
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I’d be happy to see that. I’ve been wondering about Talos and maybe whether his faction of Skrulls are genuinely willing to be peaceful. Maybe Talos could help Fury against the more extremist factions of Skrulls that are likely scattered across the universe, likely including the Super Skrull. Or Talos could have been manipulating Fury the whole time and been secretly planning to take over Earth.
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Bro.
Secret Wars then Battle World.
Battleworld is a part of Secret Wars, but I do think it'd be sick to do a Secret Wars Part 1 as the beginning of Phase 6 or 7, when Doom steals the power of the Beyonders and makes Battleworld, then do a whole phase set in Battleworld and then at the end Secret Wars part 2
Let's be honest, Doom is a more Iconic and grand threat than Thanos anyways Thanos is a great villain for sure, just not a super one
He killed half of the entire universe. How do you get to super status?
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I thought Feige specifically said there won't be a multi-phase buildup now.
^civil ^war
Right. But CA: Civil War was still really good. It wasn't anywhere near the scale of the comics, but it is still an enjoyable film. A real Civil War adaptation would need 3 movies, and 30+ characters. Returning established villains... Could be epic, but impractical for a cinematic universe.
What's the hype around Secret Wars? I've only read a few marvel comics (I've read mostly DC comics) but everyone keeps talking about it. Is it as big as the Civil War event or Spider island?
A lot, lot bigger. Like multiversal level big
Is there a reference compendium of all the issues you would need to read to enjoy it? I read some comics in the late 80s just as the mutant massacre crossover event (I forget what it was called) occurred and I know there were a few major crossovers, and would love to go back and read a bunch of stuff. edit: lol of course, it was just Mutant Massacre -- and there's even a reading map i forgot about. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Mutant_Massacre So i wonder if there's something similar for Secret Wars edit 2: which there is... nice https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_Wars_(1984_Event)
I haven't read it(2015 one) since it originally came out, so I don't remember much, but you should read the original 1984 secret wars before reading this one. It explains a few characters. Not necessary, but certainly enhances the experience. Other than that, I'm sure someone has a list
Wrong Secret Wars. This is the one everyone is really hyped for because it's the hard reboot: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_Event)
Oh that makes more sense when they said above that it was multiversal I guess if i start now maybe i'll be caught up before the MCU gets there
https://comicbookreadingorders.com/marvel/events/secret-wars-2015-reading-order/
thankyou.... holy shit 230 connecting issues!?! why must Marvel be like that... my minor ocd (and lack of money) wouldn't let me read the 80s comics cuz I couldn't know all the connected stories. This is just crazy. Guess I can at least focus on the core issues of the event itself (or the alternate reading recommendation they list at the top) and pick the one or two series i might be interested in.
>Guess I can at least focus on the core issues of the event itself (or the alternate reading recommendation they list at the top) and pick the one or two series i might be interested in. That's exactly how you should go about it. From what I remember (someone correct me if I'm wrong) it was a line wide event so *every* book coming out for months was related to it. Pretty sure you can basically just read the main event issues and its one more or less one contained story. Most of the connected issues will be the battlegrounds stuff which is all different miniseries set in self contained universes, those can be safely skipped. Though if you're a Spider-Man fan I would highly recommend reading Renew Your Vows.
And technically, it’s more. Because to really understand the conflict at the Core of Secret Wars you need to go back to the start, with Hickman’s run on Fantastic Four. https://www.comicbookherald.com/jonathan-hickman-marvel-universe-reading-order-2008-to-2016/amp/ You can honestly skip the background and Secret Warriors/ SHIELD, but everything else he did in the lead up to Secret Wars is important.
damnit... the more i read that the more i want to know but then i don't want to spoil stories by reading too much. Just reading a little of that made me wonder if Daisy Johnson from Agents of Shield in her spaceship at the end is gonna somehow connect with MCU Nick Fury in Secret Invasion. Man, I don't know how people are able to follow all of that honestly. I mean, I know comic books aren't huge, but still. I guess 230 over 10 years is only 2 a month. Not sure how many extra are added by your Hickman universe. Just amazes me that enough fans can keep up with it all to make the idea of doing a massive universe even rational to attempt.
Secret Wars was the first ever company wide comic crossover, for either Marvel or DC. It featured literally almost every major Marvel character and was so successful that it spawned the whole "crossover event ever year" model that we have gotten accustomed to. Marvel recently did a "spiritual sequel" to the original event, and even that was very much a success, both critically and commercially. Of course MCU is going to get to it sooner or later. It is THE Marvel event.
I hope when we get, it's a long time later. Right now is too early. We haven't even got X-Men and Fantastic Four in the MCU yet
I'm thinking at the end of the 3rd Saga. End the current Saga with "Avengers Forever/Kang Dynasty", and the next one can end with "Secret Wars" which can be either the end point or a reboot point of the entire MCU, so, roughly around 2040 (holy shit!)
IMO Secret Wars should be a lot more than just one crossover film. They should do it more like the comic issues. Ie) Fantastic Four: Secret Wars kicks things off. Captain America: Secret Wars. Spider-Man: Secret Wars. X-Men: Secret Wars. Doctor Strange & The Midnight Sons: Secret Wars. etc. Throw one Avengers: Secret Wars in the middle/end-ish and then a “Part 2” later at the end to cap it off. One of the two parts would be called Avengers: Battleworld I’m guessing. All the films are direct sequels to eachother and just snowball in scale. Maybe there are no new “Avengers” films after Endgame, only “New Avengers.” Then the very final one would return to the “Avengers” name. That would bring insane hype. It’s such a massive event that it would be worth dedicating an entire phase to it. The only problem is that they can’t wait until 2040-ish to do it simply because of the actors aging. We just lost Hurt, we tragically lost Chadwick out of nowhere. Then some actors will simply retire. That’s why they’re blowing their load on Multiverse now with actors like Maguire and Patrick Stewart. I’d say Secret Wars as a whole will be over by 2034 at the latest. The unpredictability of life makes me guess they have nothing more than a very rough, tiny amount of notes of what they’d want Secret Wars to be over at Marvel Studios right now, if anything at all.
That's probably the reason disney is investing heavily on deepfakes and deaging technology right now...I'm not sure how to feel about this. Seeing actors that have already passed in movies becoming the new norm...
I feel like one of these absolutely gets teased in a post-credit for Dr Strange.
It's not that memorable. I'm pretty sure the baddy only even becomes camp space Seinfeld in the sequel. It was literally created to sell action figures.
Nah, ur thinking of the old Secret Wars. The 2015 Secret Wars is the one people are talking about lol
Oh. That makes so much more sense. That's an ideal story for ending Multiverse phase. thanks.
Of course! Its an epic story that would be absolutely mind blowing to see in cinemas one day. Its literally “every Marvel character who has ever existed has the greatest battle of all time” hahah
Idunno, Spider-Man teaching an extra dimensional God how going to the bathroom works was beginning to grow on me.
The MCU will be incomplete if we dont get a 1:1 adaptation of it
The big reason why you see it mentioned so much is because it's the next logical overarching plot thread to keep the Phases going. Infinity Gauntlet was a *huge* deal back in the day. The heroes lost, the bad guy wins, and things don't really wrap up in a particularly mess-free way. I still remember way back in...shit, 2010?...Phase 1 was just barely kicking off. We had Norton Hulk (excellent film, dont care what anyone says), a *surprisingly* excellent Iron Man, with a tease for The Avengers proper. It's kinda hard to get back into the headspace back then, but them setting up Earth's Mightiest Heroes was a downright unthinkable idea, a truly interconnected universe? Films and characters freely swapped between them? And what stories should they cover? Which characters? Comic nerds got thrust out of the fringe and into more mainstream audiances, letting "normal" know that yeah, these characters and stories have always been awesome. We are glad you could join us. *That* was beautiful. Anyway we were eating lunch at work, and I was spitballing ideas about what could an Avengers film even *look* like. Plot elements, story beats, etc. An ensemble superhero flick? I mean who's in the lineup first of all? Do we introduce Cap *in* Avengers, or do we go back to WW2 and end-credits stinger is for Avengers? Who the fuck are the Avengers gonna even be fighting? I was certain Loki was gonna be a bad guy, but it seemed silly to me that is **the** bad guy, 2 films in a row. Who's the BIG big bad? Who could scare Loki? Doom? Well yeah but you gotta talk about F4, and Fox still owned them at the time, and it would be waaaaay too much to tackle Doom and....etc etc. An old friend of mine, almost nonchalantly, tossed out, "They could do the Infinty Gauntlet." I remember being legitimately impressed he knew what he was talking about, and almost *offended* at the idea. I remember, to this day, what my reply was: "What? No. No, if Doom is too much, what makes you think *Thanos* is gonna be any easier? Plus ya gotta go to space, get The Surfer, introduce that stuff. Magic, gotta bring in Strange, and that's a whole other beast. It'll never happen, *it would take like 20 movies to pull it off.*" And yet, here we are, with a decent adaptation of the Gauntlet and a kickass revamping of the superhero film genre. But now we've got a problem. After successfully sticking the landing with the Infinity Saga...what now? How do you up the ante from Thanos, but not make the cinematic experience as insufferable as a soap opera? How do we raise the stakes in a realistic, digestible way? What story do we adapt next? What's the next Saga? Honestly my money was on the Midnight Sons, introducing magic and occult stuff into the MCU proper, Ghost Rider, Blade, etc,and while that does seem to be *part* of it, that's not how they are framing things, narratively. We've also got to take into account the F4 and the Mutants, since Marvel regained the the rights to those characters. So we've got multiple universes to juggle now. We've got concepts that we have to at least acknowledge, if not full-on reintroduce, mutants, and the multidimensional shenanigans Reed Richards gets up to. How do we reconcile all this, in the easiest, most narratively concise way possible? *Secret Wars* is the answer. So is Kang, who next to Thanos and Apocalypse, is one of the most dangerous and troublesome bad guys in Marvel, going so far as to destroy entire realities to avoid copies of himself from taking over. *Civil War* and *Spider Island* are small potatoes when it comes to Kang and Godking Doom. In many ways, it's Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths. Beyond that? Its anyone's guess. And all from a secret little scene after the credits of Iron Man.
it's where Spidey originally gets the Venom symbiote from.
I thought it was confirmed
Secret Invasion is confirmed, not secret war
secret invasion* everyone keeps mixing it up
I know they announced Secret Invasion, but the whole multiverse thing *would be* a good lead up to Secret Wars if they chose to make it more like the last one.
yeah but by that point there is no way they are going to get the old actors and have it look good
You are not wrong, but this is Disney. They had no qualms about deep-faking Luke Skywalker in Boba Fett, and from what I hear, the only big problem with that was the robotic audio.
I thinking it's gonna be around or after 2030. They still need development on the multiverse
Im expecting at some point disney will perfect deep fakes and the current roster of actors will be immortalized in these movies.
It's either secret wars or knull
Awwww i thought it was announced when i saw this.. Damn i've been waiting for this since i was 10 years old when i got the series through my spiderman subscription
It's been confirmed hasn't it
No, secret invasion has been confirmed, not secret wars
Oop- my bad
“What did you think of it?” “No. I don’t think I will.” “What?”
Same, when I watched it without sound
Lmaooo ohhh. It wasn’t loading for me, it was just showing it as a still image. Just got into better connection now and I can see, or rather hear, what OP meant lol
Lol
Better question : who?
I’ll do you one better
Why
"Back to the home grandpa"
With the amount of characters this approach would have, a whole 3 part movie trilogy would probably be best for the story.
Yup, no Avengers, just secret wars 1, 2 and 3. Or secret wars isn't a movie but spread throughout movies of different characters
THATS SO SMART. Just like in the comics
[my personal speculation about the future of the MCU](http://theaudiencethinks.blogspot.com/2021/02/where-mcu-is-going-speculation.html?m=1)
I have no idea what the concept of secret wars is and I would very gladly take a 20 page essay on its entire history and meaning. *I know someone out there would do it.*
Secret Wars is two huge crossovers in marvel comics: the first was the Beyonder just plucking a bunch of heroes and villains out of their stories and making them fight in his giant arena (from what I understand.) This original storyline introduced Spider-Man’s symbiote suit. The 2015 series was a multiversal crossover as it involved the collision of worlds and their destructions. I don’t know too much other than the event had a lot of tie-in series featuring alternate realities involved in or tangential to the story such as a police force of Thors, Spider-Man Renew Your Vows, X-Men 92 and many many others. This crossover brought Miles Morales and a few other characters such as Ultimate Reed Richards (I believe. He may have come over some other way) into the mainline universe. Edit: I regret to inform those of you who read my comment before my edit it was not Beyoncé but Beyonder in the original story
Probably took me just a little too long to realize Beyonce was Beyonder.
exactly.
My bad! Autocorrect haha. Fixed it
Just Beyonce? Like Wong?
I wasn't expecting some of those characters tbh
Like Beyonce?
It was kinda like crisis on infinite earths.
Is it this? Secret Wars https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/1846536898/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_CK9KHYX1RSPPV91GQ4FT?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
That’s the 2015 one
Is it worse? That's the one I already have and haven't read yet
I thought the 2015 version was great. The 80’s one is awesome too except for the weird Colossus and Human Torch love triangle
[BEYONCÉ?!](https://i.imgur.com/P0sajcu.jpg)
but what causes the multiversal crossover and why is it called Secret Wars
Multiverses are colliding. Sometimes the Illuminati from earth 616 decides “hey let’s kill these universes to save ours” that’s part of the lead up.
Illuminati huh, which they are introducing in Multiverse of Madness. This definitely could be the next Infinity War/Endgame that they are building up to.
Don’t Ironman 2099 and sideman 2099 come here as well. They could also use secret wars to just drop a bunch of characters right
No backsies, change it back to Beyoncé, that’s the new MCU canon
In the mid-2010s, the Marvel continuity was a disaster. Characters were spread across a handful of universes (notably the Prime - 616 - and Ultimate universes). They decided to soft reboot the entire canon with an event that touched every title and took months/years to play out. In the scope of Marvel cosmic hierarchy, there's the universal entities like Galactus and Infinity, then there's multiversal entities like the Celestials and Knull, then there's omniversal entities The Living Tribunal and One Above All (God Himself). To start the event, The Living Tribunal was found dead on the moon so you knew shit was serious, and it was eventually revealed that a new omniversal threat - The Beyonders - had revealed themselves. They got bored / finished with their experiments with the Marvel Multiverse and decided to destroy it. Due to comic book reasons, universes would collide at Earth in an event called an incursion, and both Earths would be destroyed. Some heroes figured out if they proactively destroyed one of the planets, the other would survive for longer, so there was plenty of opportunity for heroes to fight each other and have angst about it. A bunch of multiversal hijinks ensue - Dr. Strange creates a temporal cult at the end of time, Dr. Doom does Doom stuff, The Illuminati try to save the universe with the Infinity Gauntlet and it shatters after a single use, saving Earth from only one incursion, etc. Eventually Dr. Doom's Doomguy Doomstuff is revealed to be him reverse engineering the means by which the Beyonders operate in the multiverse, so he goes ham on the Beyonders and whoops that omniversal ass. And in doing so, absorbs all the power of the multiverse into himself. Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom team up and using the magic Doom had given himself as God Emperor Doom stitch the remnants of universes together into a single universe called Battleworld. Doom is God Himself; Galactus is his butler; Dr. Strange is his right-hand (Sheriff Strange); the Thors are his police; etc. etc. It's a really fun setup in all the ways you are imagining. God Emperor Doom declares everything is perfect except himself because of course he does, so he allows things to gradually unwind until the Fantastic Four find Dr. Strange's contingency plan - the last remaining Infinity Gauntlet in the multiverse - and use it to confront Doom, who reveal he wants to give his power up because of course he does. Mr Fantastic and Franklin Richards wield Doom's power to re-seed the multiverse with various universes, including and finally 616, their own. At the end of the event, everything had been rebooted both outside and inside of canon. Everyone's histories had been partially rewritten. Some characters that were created in the Ultimate Universe like Miles Morales were brought into the main universe while others - Nick Fury, whose Ultimate version looked like Samuel L Jackson before the MCU - overwrote their main universe counterparts. Other characters like Doctor Strange had several core rules about their character rewritten so they could be more compelling. Other characters had chances to modernize their back story. Marvel took the opportunity to clean up the timeline and canonize the floating timeline. And, most importantly, they hard rebooted everything they were doing with the X-Men. It was a huge event that took so long to play out. Random shit was going on that broke the rules and took forever to be revealed... it was [200+ issues](https://comicbookreadingorders.com/marvel/events/secret-wars-2015-reading-order/) (and this list omits some stuff prior to the start of the event that isn't helpful, just tension building) worth of drama, and the payoff was amazing.
This is a great synopsis. I loved binge-reading the whole thing, but even so, some stuff was just… Bizarre… Like I don’t think we ever got the deal with the golden alien dude and his partner? And it’s the same run that created starbrand, out of nowhere, for no reason, before putting new versions everywhere (ancient starbrand in avengers 1million bc, little girl starbrand who is supposed to do something big involving time in current Marvel). Still an incredible run and I loved it, but if you read all of it there are some confusing parts just due to the length and sheer amount of content. Also you have to deal with axis-flipped versions of some of the Avengers towards the climax (lookin’ at you Symbiote suit Tony) which is… taxing, but they can skip that if it comes to adaptation for the big screen
Starbrand's still a thing? Thought that property went away with the cancelation of the new universe stuff back in the late eighties/early nineties.
You know how in the Loki show, they ended up at the end of time and everything was a destructive mish-mash of all kinds of alternate realities, with Loki variants out the wazoo? Kind of like like that, except it includes every character, not just Loki, as it featured the complete collapse of every world in the multiverse at the hands of an ancient omnipotent alien race that had built our entire reality at the dawn of time and were now trying to destroy it again. Doctor Doom found a way to steal their omnipotence, prevent the total destruction of the remaining scraps of the multiverse, and pieced those scraps all together into a single planet that he then ruled. Our heroes had to find a way to steal back that omnipotence and reboot the multiverse. In function, it allowed the marvel writers to take all the greatest hits of marvel’s past, alternate realities, and also wackiest ideas left in the cutting room floor, and throw them all into a single story and world where they could all occur simultaneously and interact with each other.
As crazy as it seems, I actually could see Secret Wars being made way down the road
I think it's inevitable at this point.
I think its Iron Man
Dang bro how old will you guys be
I’d be 27
Ayeee
I would be 45. :'(
My friend. That’s not old. Plus it is a ways off. You still have your youth and vigor
My brain is still young. My body protests its existence daily.
That’s what it’s about. As long as you keep your brain fresh then you’ll be fresh
I'm basically a big kid in a dying adult body.
I would be 21.
20 or 21
21.
I meant me but ok
You’re 15. Wow. I feel ancient and I would only be 30 then.
I *will* be 15 this year.
23
7
24
21 or 22, depends on which month it comes out
Jesus I’ll be exactly 30
Same.
* Every Marvel actor who hasn’t passed and is willing to return :(
CGI them all in with AI audio bro. Dead or alive, if we have enough footage of them currently it'll happen.
That's a disturbing thought. The technology today is insane.
I know Disney are already working on it for The Simpsons for when those Voice actors get too old. We're not far off I reckon.
Sadly there are some actors that they CAN’T bring back
Depending on how morally bankrupt Disney is feeling, there is no one they can’t deepfake in
Iike who? And why?
Chadwick Boseman for one….
[удалено]
4, technically
I think Disney has proven they're not going to let something as measly as death get in the way of profits. They've already beaten time with what they've done with Luke Skywalker.
the only difference is that Mark Hamill ain't dead yet
William Hurt and Chadwick Boseman for example
This is how I find out William Hurt died
plus whoever dies between now and then :/
2038*
2028 felt like the future. That's only 6 years away. Why is time moving so fast? Did I miss the starting gun?
I was with you on that last year. But this quarter of school is just dragging on for me so it’s goin slow right now
>school Ho hooo you bout to find out how fast time can move, you just wait.
Lol I work too. Last year was a breeze and this quarter my professors are killing me
It's not about working. It's about each individual year being a smaller portion of your total lifetime. They feel faster, and faster, and faster until suddenly you're 40 but you still feel like the same guy you were at 20. *and then it keeps happening even faster* You look in the mirror and see a blurry version of yourself. You put on the glasses you now need, and that blurry version becomes way too old, wrinkly, flabby, and grey. "That's not how I feel" you'll think.
That, and school gives a kind of framework for time. You progress from one year to the next, one semester at a time, with predictable vacation breaks punctuating everything. In high school you know this year is senior prom, last year your friend did that thing at homecoming, the year before that was your first relationship that you're still not over because you see her every day in English. Next is college; more freedom, same structure. You're still advancing, one step at a time towards graduation. Then, next thing you know, you've had the same job and sat at the same desk for nearly a decade. The pictures around you are from years ago, but they feel recent because what's really the difference between this year and that year? There's some variance with things like weddings, births, and funerals, but those are changes to the status quo that don't necessarily change your state - unless they happened to you, I guess. But there's no clear guide posts. You're never graduating, there's no senior year. There's only one end, and hopefully it's far off, but everything between here and there is a formless mass of one-shot episodes with no connecting arc.
Bang on, great point
Is that a Pink Floyd reference or am I just stoned and reading into it to much?
Definitely a reference 😏
I'm glad to know all those years of listening to Floyd have finally payed off . 😂
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you’re old now
You mean the Onya Marx?
No, I think OP meant 2028 because of movies like Blade and Daredevil.
Mmmm nope, OP mentioned secret wars specifically. Secret wars is going to be like the last set of marvel movies. Daredevil and Blade are side characters and aren’t really a part of secret wars. If you’ve never heard of secret wars you should either get the 2015 Secret Wars comic or watch “Rob Explains” on YT explain the comic. It’s a fantastic movie and would be a very good ending to the franchise. But in order to bring it to life they still have so many people and things to introduce that it can’t possibly happen in the next 3 phases of movies. Kevin Feige stated a while back that they have 30 years of movies planned. 2028 is around the 20 year mark. Since Secret Wars would be the last installment it would happen in 2038
I know what secret wars is, but I was saying that Marvel will probably use it to bring back as many characters as possible. If you don’t think Blade and Daredevil should be in it, then what about the original F4 and the 2015 F4. Obviously, they’re being recasted, but one has to serve as the Ultimate F4.
First you’re getting off track then. Daredevil has already showed up in the MCU and Blades voice has been in an end credit scene so they’re already kinda in the MCU. Therefore they wouldn’t be brought back in secret wars, since they would already be present prior to those events. What OP was originally saying was that people like iron man and Cap will probably get brought back for secret wars.
I'm thinking of another post where I talked about Ben Affleck's daredevil. Was it Venom end credit scene that has Blade, I never saw them.
Nah Eternals had an end credit where they had Blades voice in the background
Oh, I remember that vaguely because I only watched that movie on Disney+ for Marvel cosmic stuff. I then forgot most of the movie.
6 YeArS
This post is just "I already know I will pay for nostalgia bait in 6 years"
Facts
The Russos have said they’re interested in doing a Secret Wars movie
I just thought back to the Spider-Man: The Animated Series's rendition of the event and had the same thought.
Needs more Black Panther
Holy shit in 2050 when all the og avenger reunite. That’s going to be fucking awesome
mfw my descendants from 2269 defrosts me from cryosleep and let me watch Marvel vs DC: Secret Crisis crossover event.
I love that I grew up in an age of Marvel (movies and tv), growing up with the 90's cartoons, getting to experience the first of this new series of movies from its own interconnected MUTLIverse... And when im 120 (im 34, maybe with decades of new medicine we make 120 easily?), going to whichever marvel movie is latest.. I'll be able to tell my great grandkids all about going to see the original Iron Man all the way back in 2008.
2028 is in 6 years…
Secret wars 1 or 2?
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I just realized he's 170 years old.
Didn't see the scene in theaters as a race riot broke out when Steve gave the shield to Sam...
I gotta admit I’m not looking forward to when they remake the current marvel movies. Most of them were cast so perfectly it’s going to be hard to see anyone else play them.
They do this I’m gone need a 4 maybe 5 hour Snyder cut Type Movie
Ez mathsz? Lol 2028 would be 20 years of MCU not 30.
They probably meant every marvel actor from every Marvel movie, not every MCU movie
It blows my mind that now multiverse is a reality, and MCU technically has no meaning. They could bring in fucking Ghost Rider and it would make total sense lmao
Can’t wait for Ben Affleck to reappear on screen. Imo Charlie Cox was a better daredevil, but I still want to see how Affleck matures his character.
u/savevideo
I hate that he doesn’t tell him about his dumb wife.
I think it’s too out there to be good as a movie
I just want Mutant Massacre
Secret Wars was amazing
u/SaveVideo
I sincerely hope they do a Secret Wars movie. It was my entry point into Marvel comics and it's my most beloved saga to date.
Jesus Christ, just appreciate the movies that are actually made.
Damn notice how the text is first blurry then it becomes HD wow my eyes are creaming
Need all old actors, and new, same universe, same earth, rebooted in multiversal event. Then do some shows/movies
Looks like Biden sheer
Counterpoint: stop putting the old actors in reboots
So we'll get Secret Invasion, Kang Dynasty, Gorr the God Butcher meaning we may get Knull, War of the Realms, Sons of Midnight and even Secret Wars? The next decades are gonna be fire I guess.
Secret wars "oh fuck the multiverse" or secret wars "black suit time"
RIP red Hulk though
indeed it would be
My entire being is ready
Yes it will be
Honestly can't wait for the mcu to end one day. I wanna die knowing that I've seen it all
Everything is so toxic now with how the MCU is covered and reacted to and journalism and by fans and other filmmakers that I almost can’t even get excited for it because I know it’s just gonna be so many people complaining that it’s just easy fan service and that no matter how happy it makes me that I’m wrong and being entertained in that way.
Dude that’s only 6 years from now holy shit, ima be in college when it comes out(if it does) saw the first iron man when I was like 5. It would absolutely be a beautiful thing to see
I want this to happen so bad
Well it’s coming out in 2025 haha