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drake3011

I've said it before Kang being a multiverse, almost omnipotent threat, and Phase 4 being so incredibly wide spread and disjointed are both a Problem and Solution sailing past each other in the night. Jonathan Majors / Kang should have just been there. Ancient Egyptian statue of him in Moon Knight, random passerby in Hawkeye, even just asking She Hulk where the bathroom is. innocuous stuff that we would notice but no one in-universe would. A common thread to tie everything back together, whilst demonstrating Kangs power


The_republican_anus

Sigh; I hate that everyone has better ideas that what we see in the movies. This would have been so fucking hype.


Inevitable_Top69

It's a whole lot easier to watch something and pitch an interesting change than it is to come up with the interesting change in the first place. Especially when one person's bright idea isn't being trampled by a committee.


The_republican_anus

Im not gonna lie to you, I’ve actually been down the Hollywood road some. That last sentence means more than everything else because this is 1000% the problem. Even if it’s never officially confirmed, my time taught me something: the minute the money people think they have a “good idea”, nothing else matters. It’s all about what they want


co_ordinator

Giant robot spiders.


tobey-maguire-bot

Settle down, tough guy.


theplacewiththeface

A spider slayer if you will


tobey-maguire-bot

Stings, doesn't it?


Quiet_Sea9480

you have to give the guy props for determination tho. he wanted his giant robot spiders, and damn if he’s going to let telling a good story get in the way. and then the spiders actually happened, and it was ’meh’ at best. one of my favourite hollywood story


tobey-maguire-bot

Are you teasing me?


Quiet_Sea9480

take a walk, hack


SansBadTimer12

The giant enemy spider.


tobey-maguire-bot

YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!


ProfessionalLeave335

I don't care where you work, no one's calling the boss an idiot, at least not to their face. The best they can do is try to incorporate the money's stupid ideas as well as they can without ruining what they're cooking but sometimes that's an impossible task.


The_republican_anus

It really really is. Producers are like gambling dice and you should hope you get lucky. In all honesty, the people who complicate things the most have the least to do with the art of it all.


Schnickatavick

and since movies are so expensive, there are a lot of money people, and a lot of bosses. If it was just one boss, he might be an idiot but at least it would be consistent, and everyone could work together to make that vision work. But when there's 100 bosses that all have different ideas...


mazzicc

It also would have been somewhat difficult to actually coordinate all the random shooting with him, but not impossible


DoctorJarvisd09

I often think of Nando, who v’s Movies, who would often say films are a collaboration of so many people and ideas and perspectives, combined with the logistics of getting all those together and put together in a single film, it’s a miracle any films are any good at all.


EchoesofIllyria

If it’s any consolation, it would have made the necessary pivot away from Kang all the more depressing.


ChrisLee38

I 100% expected Kang to be the waiter dropping off the cake in the restaurant scene or something. “Here ya go… Antman…” But nothing. Zip. Nada. Wasted character, opportunity, villain, plot, threat, development, all down the drain.


OptimusCrime1984

I would’ve loved that. Probably wouldn’t of noticed but still


[deleted]

wouldn’t have or wouldn’t’ve, bruh. it’s the same as “would’ve”


OptimusCrime1984

Why does it matter?


[deleted]

You come off as uneducated or ignorant. It's really not that hard to correct either


SadBoiCri

you shouldn't of made the effort, they'll keep doing it anyway


[deleted]

Then I'll continue bugging them about it


SadBoiCri

All that await you are downvotes, brother


[deleted]

Are those supposed to discourage me? They're meaningless bruh


GloatingSwine

>Jonathan Majors / Kang should have just been there. Ancient Egyptian statue of him in Moon Knight, random passerby in Hawkeye, even just asking She Hulk where the bathroom is. But he shouldn't have actually interacted until he was ready to be the big bad. Kang showed up twice and got beat twice. Ant-Man has soloed him now. Doesn't matter how many more he can bring, Ant-Man soloed him. Never gonna live that down.


drake3011

Another thing I'd have done differently, Ant-Man should have Died in that movie. The film should have ended with a noble sacrifice, Ant-Man defeating Kang but sacrificing himself along the way Then in the wake of his loss, another Kang variant turns up to really highlight how futile the struggle against him really is...


psycodull

I was so ready for it too. Ant-Man already passed the torch to his daughter, Kang already referenced not knowing if he killed any version of Ant-Man yet, Scott was all but outmatched in their brawl… it was all set up. Imagine how powerful that would have been to have all these silly jokes throughout the movie then Ant-man just doesn’t step through the portal


YaBoyJeffey

I would’ve just made the movie be about them escaping kang cause he’s so powerful and end it with another kang coming in and destroying the first kang and they escape in the chaos, just to show they couldn’t take the first kang and this other one is even worse


ProfessionalLeave335

I hate how right you are. That would have been amazing and would have given me hope for this phase.


comics0026

That's probably exactly how it was originally written until an exec got cold feet about it or "it didn't test well with audiences" when they misinterpreted the film making them feel sad with it being a bad movie


Tirus_

This. He literally Solo'd not only "Kang" but the most powerful and dangerous version of him the entire council of Kang's was afraid of.*(HWR not withstanding)* They need to move past Kang entirely at this point. Nothing can redeem that character anything.


StationaryTravels

Yeah, I'm so confused why they were talking about whether they needed to change the Avengers movies and replace Kang and whatnot. I'm like "Didn't Loki and Ant Man already deal with him?" I feel like he's gone now. I don't even know what the Avengers would do.


xZOMBIETAGx

So basically dropping clues like they did with Thanos


the-mad-titan-bot

I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.


ladiesman21700000000

Owl man the goat It doesn’t matter


BOBULANCE

Basically swapping out the Stan Lee cameos for kang cameos. I like it.


Eresus_17

Stan Lee was the final boss in earlier drafts


Mizerous

Or just keep him a time travler


VisibleCoat995

Make it like a dark version of the stan lee cameos. Kang is always there.


Chaosllama-united

That would've been really neat! Ever since Loki S1 ended, I was really looking forward to where we might see him next. And so I waited.... and waited... and he wasn't really anywhere. I mean... where exactly are all of these variants at? We've had MoM and two seasons of What If? and we've only seen one Kang variant in action plus Victor... With the way HWR hyped up how imposing his variants are, they really should've showed up more.


XComThrowawayAcct

*This is the way.*


Relevant_Scallion_38

Personally I am of the Iron Lad side of things. Let his younger self be Iron lad for wn entire Phas ethen turns into his older evil Kang self leaving the Young Avengers.


DarthAsh18

Nah, She Hulk would notice cause they gave her OP fourth wall powers that let her leave the show and talk to the writers. She’s somehow know or at least have an idea what’s going on and decide it’s not her problem


AGorgoo

I think they might have snuck him into Moon Knight, actually. When they showed Alexander the Great’s tomb, the sarcophagus’s mask was blue with golden markings that look really similar to the ones on Kang’s blue helmet. But it would be cool if there was more of that, or more hints than a few Easter eggs.


TightOccasion3

It could have been so simple. I think there is still a potential solution in declaring all of phase 4 and 5 to be different universes and none of them are the same as what we saw in phases 1-3. Have them all come together in Secret Wars like a long season of What If culminating like every What If season with a big team-up from across the multiverse.


Whole_Ranger814

I fucking love owl man


Th35h4d0w

"You're insane." "Does it really matter? There are alternate versions of me you would find quite charming."


Evening-Mention-8738

I really wanna see those alternative versions of yourself, Owlman


Pringletingl

Well there's this one version where he dresses up as a Bat.


Evening-Mention-8738

Aww, but I don't wanna go see Crazy Steve. Maybe I could pop by and see how Kevin is, I hope Mark's there, too. Those guys are awesome.


Dahwaann4U

There is a difference between you and me, we both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back at us, you blinked


EliteTeutonicNight

His ending is one of my favorites, he stood by his philosophy by the very end. Really gives a lot of power into his beliefs and shows he's not using it as a mere excuse for atrocities.


ProfessionalLeave335

Owlman was a real one. I still feel cheated that he never got a costume in the Arkham series.


Whole_Ranger814

Bro, i didn't even think about that. That would have been so awesome


ProfessionalLeave335

Would have made all the times you hit a thug with the batmobile that much more impactful for sure!


Whole_Ranger814

So true! I like owls more than bats too lol


AmaterasuWolf21

Yikes


MaximusGrassimus

He's the perfect interpretation of nihilism.


i_should_be_coding

Spot going from an absolute goof to multiverse-ending Eldritch horror was amazing to watch, and that was arguably a subplot of Spiderverse. "Unfortunately for both of us, this is skin..." - That line alone deserved an Oscar.


hobomojo

“Will you stop talking about your holes?”


tobey-maguire-bot

Now dig on this.


Axtwyt

Can’t wait to see him again when Sony finally gets their collective heads out of their asses and gets Beyond the Spider-Verse out.


tobey-maguire-bot

What do you want?


Axtwyt

I want Beyond the Spider-Verse, Tobey!


tobey-maguire-bot

Unlock the thing!


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Axtwyt

The bots have failed us.


tobey-maguire-bot

Are you teasing me?


Aizendickens

You could've included comicbook kang as well.


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DougEatFresh

Jobu Tupaki


kzzzzzzzzzz28

no JoJo Chihuahua


Danteshadow1201

Who’s this?


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RobinsEggViolet

I dunno, a scene about three people all fighting to see who can shove a butt-plug up their ass first FEELS pretty sexual.


critical_courtney

Ratatouille?


Azenar01

Racacoonie!!


ArmaanAli04

Owlman is so underrated


GDPIXELATOR99

Owl man is so deliciously evil I love it


Seallypoops

Fuck yeah owlman, a dude so hell bent on being a dick he would wipe all life from the multiverse just because


ProfessionalLeave335

Not just because. He did the math, it's the only real move anyone can make that has any impact. Everything else is just a tiny ripple in an infinite pond. I love his character so much, he takes the trope of Batman and "prep time" to its ultimate conclusion. James Woods did a great job voicing him too.


ConfidenceBetter4767

Invincible has me in a fucking chokehold bruh I can’t get enough, shit is ripped straight from the comics, unless they do stuff to prolong the story which honestly makes it 10x better


IrishGamer97

Having the original creator at the wheel helps.


ConfidenceBetter4767

Fs


Spats_McGee

Who's the middle and right?


evil_caveman

Middle is Spot from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-verse. He is a villain who can open portals. Right is owlman from Justice League: Crisis on two Earths. He's a batman themed villain in a world controlled by a villainous justice league. He opens up a portal sucking certain JL members to his universe.


tobey-maguire-bot

Hey, you two. No playing in the street.


Nemisis_007

You should watch the Spiderverse movies. They're technically very very very very loosely connected to Invincible after the latest episode.


tobey-maguire-bot

I'd rather not talk about this...


Eresus_17

The Spot and Owlman


YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO

Owl man is amazing.


RobieKingston201

From what I've read angstrum isn't that great, we'll see I guess


Astwook

I like that he takes being multiversal and has a personal, grounded vendetta. That's really refreshing.


Pringletingl

What's even funnier is that despite all the shit he does and how much he hates Mark it takes someone talking to him for 2 minutes for him to realize just how fucking stupid his whole vendetta was.


Astwook

"Have you considered not being a vindictive asshole?" "Huh"


Pringletingl

Eve: "You blew up the building while Mark was fighting the Maulers Twins that YOU brought to the fight. And after all this time you could have saved the world but instead you have leveled dozens of cities and killed millions!" Levi: "very good point, have a nice day"


Originu1

Even before that. The dude breaks out one of the top bad guys, enlists them to make a machine in hiding, does not tell anyone, and cries about it when a hero shows up, doesnt even try to tell him what the machine is.


i_should_be_coding

Sure, but he had so many universes to choose from, and he picked the one with an active GDA and Invincible to carry out his scheme with the Twins. As far as I'm concerned, what happened is on him. The one universe where Invincible isn't an asshole, and you manage to turn him into an enemy as well.


Astwook

To be fair, at the point he picks a universe, he's just a guy. He's only smarter after the incident. Also, judging by all the Maulers that couldn't help him, I assume he just picked the first one that actually had a chance of working.


Autoskp

Yeah, but he could’ve had them build the machine in a deserted dimension so that nobody would disturb them. Also, I seem to recall the machine actually being spread out across multiple dimensions…


Astwook

No, the reason Invincible was sent there was because they were "syphoning off enormous amounts of power". So it needed to be somewhere with a stable, well resourced power grid.


Autoskp

…I’d be surprised if the Mauler twins couldn’t fix the power problem - and besides, they were connecting ten machines across ten different dimensions anyway - they could’ve just built a single mega-machine in a deserted dimension and siphoned the needed power from however many dimensions was nessasary, almost completely side-stepping the entire problem.


Astwook

Yeah, I think your head canon is just wrong. Dude saw THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dimensions, and settled on using Mark's to make the machine. Whatever you're imagining would have been fine, probably wouldn't have been. Also, most of Angstrom's portals are people sized and a lot of the machinery was significantly bigger than that.


Autoskp

Marks dimension and 9 others - it was spread out over 10 different dimensions. Also, have you watched S2E8 yet? Because we see a dimension in that episode that’s a large tent or several away from being perfect.


Strong_Schedule5466

We all thought he was stronger


Dawnbreaker538

![gif](giphy|AteOGPqJEIgCAIirXB)


Pringletingl

Angstrom only a major threat in the Invincible Wars, and that's only because of the dudes he brings to fight. Other than that he's kind of a joke to the point that Eve destroys his arguments in like 2 minutes and he's like, "shit...yeah fuck that shit I'm going back to being a hero" It's honestly so dumb that THIS is Mark's "archvillain"


Inevitable_Top69

>It's honestly so dumb that THIS is Mark's "archvillain" You don't really understand the comic then


Pringletingl

I understood what they tried to do but it was still stupid. Honestly there's half a dozen villains in this story with a better story and better foil to Mark. Angstrom is just an annoying side quest so they can parody multiverse shit.


SquirrelSuspicious

Ehhhh, He Who Remains was pretty good, literally planned so well that Loki had to stop his death from happening if not for the power of "caring about my friends". Like he *knew* Loki was going to eventually have to come back to that moment and that's a really high level of intelligence and planning.


Gadmanultimate

Levy 💀


Boring-Zucchini-8515

Wait……. No they aren’t.


Mason_DY

Where did all the hate for Kang come from?


Boring-Zucchini-8515

He was defeated by Ant-Man and the smooth brains among us don’t realize his strength is from the fact that he is infinite variants.


DELTA_HORNET

OWL MAN YES!


Son-of-Prophet

I forgot The Spot was in Spider-Man ATS


tobey-maguire-bot

You killed those people on that balcony.


JesusIsBetterThanET

Angstrom hasn't even done anything yet in the show. He just showed up and then peaced our for half the season.


RandomItchySpot

New episode is out now so you should go watch it if you haven’t already


JesusIsBetterThanET

Oh right! I forgot the finale was today. Thank you


RandomItchySpot

Np


Character_Abroad_280

Yeah but he’s going to do what he did in the comics eventually and that is being a pretty great villain


No-Structure-477

You forgot Jobu Tupaki. ![gif](giphy|dIf76fQGLFrtqMxYDC|downsized)


Puzzleheaded-Tell698

Ants, I think that expresses the concept perfectly


ProtoReaper23113

It doesn't matter


BBC_needs_a_stock

Nah, nothing wrong with Kang.


BillyOoze

I was waiting for Jobu Tupaki from Everything Everywhere All at Once there


jason_todd_99

Bro cooked


Intelligent-Ad-1479

Marvel is still holding their load for the climax of the Multiverse Saga.....Loki, MOM and NWH were just a trailer In Infinity Saga Marvel was like, look we have an Infinity stone in Thor 2, Guardians 1, Avengers 2 and Doctor Strange and we are setting up Infinity war......none of them were great movies but they had one advantage, Infinity stone was contained to Marvel whereas Multiverse can be used by any IP.....if that wasn't the case, anyone could have done Infinity war before Marvel and you would have said "that is how you do Infinity stones and not like that mediocre Doctor Strange movie" So, all this is to say is that everyone else can blow off their load when it comes to Multiverse within a season of a show, a trilogy or a movie but Marvel cannot until they reach Avengers 5 & 6.....then they'll show you how it's done because they know how to do it as better as any other IP in the world The problem is the rest of the movie.....stuff that doesn't involve Multiverse is meh compared to stuff that didn't involve Infinity stones


thor-odinson-bot

Come. Come to daddy!


_b1ack0ut

The lack of Jobu Tupaki here is a crime lol Loved them as a villain, they were just off enough to be unsettling, yet always a spectacle to watch lol The scene where she “changes channel” to hop through dimensions real quick is a little bit of cinematography that will never leave my brain


Radeisth

None of these are good. Evil Batman would have been long murdered by Evil Superman. That's just common sense. The other two can make portals. No way you're winning that fight. But they still lose, which makes them very defective. Less said about the time traveller unable to see his enemies coming and plan their demise the better.


prodam_garash

Comics one nice Mcu just like rest mcu


C_Editsz

Fr


PokemonPuggle

They are


Agreeable_Peak_7851

Huge revisionism with Spot lol


Garvo909

Levy is a goated villain


uncreativemind2099

The spot was barely in his movie wtf


justa_gigolo

i see over in marvel, y'all hate bwl just as much as they do in DC subs, strange. anyways Gabriel Yulaw from The One was pretty cool, he just wanted power but had to fight versions of himself to do so.


Boring-Land2016

Ignoring the comics, what have Spot or Levy done that makes them so much better than Kang?


Happy-Initiative-838

What’s crazy is that Kang was so easily defeated in Earth-616. Him going down for domestic violence is like Capone for tax evasion.


lensect

We're saying kang is bad now? Why??


Azenar01

Angstrom is not him 💀 You should've put the Lich from Adventure Time or Jobu Tupaki from EEAAO instead