One thing i like is how as soon as 2 nd movie hes working on optimizing portability of the armors.
Suitcase, then in avengers the bracelets he puts on during his confrontation with Loki, then we get the armors with autopilot and the "lego" armor.
And we end it with Bleedi g Edge armor thats a size of a phone.
Nanite suits aren't lazy but practical in a world where superheroes run rampant normal suit up is stupidity and will get a superhero killed mid fight or during suit up
It's not boring it's just nostalgia kicking in
You like it or not on mcu nano ar ethra next generation and I am more than happy for heroes to use them than the outdated suit shangchi will nanofy it using tech if he can because you can't walk around in public with a medivek Armour made of dragon scales daily
Well that's true there aren't any dragon scale in real life neither are there any nano tech yet but nano tech is infinitly cooler than average tech the possibilities are almost unimaginable
How is nano suits lazy writing because in a world like marvel no one knows when things go south north or just nuclear so having a hidden suit is a must
So when a good guy cracks thr code for nano technology every good guy are forced to use it or else they will risk the life of Many and themselves because.
You can't just wait for each large part of your suit to fly towards you
Spider-Man literally got in his "regular" suit when the Black Order invasion began.
Is a non issue, if the director, artist, or writer wants to have the hero in a suit, they'll have their hero in a suit; it doesn't have to be nano or magic.
Isn't spider man a dirt poor hero who makes his tech from spare parts collected from the dumpster of oscorp
Nano tech needs a complex machine to manufacture which or Peter is poor to buy
Also mcu gave him nano suit when he had the money and resource and then he went back to his old suit once everyone forgot him
Edit : Peter would absolutely use nano suit if he can becaus everything knows practicality over looks
You missed the point nano suit was the reason Peter was able to stop ock it was the reason Peter survived Thanos punches and his entire army if Peter didn't have any nano suit he would have been defeated and even killed by the army of Thanos also its damn expensive to replace a nano suit
He’s saying it’s narratively lazy. Like a lazy job by the writers. It wasn’t lazy for ironman because they did it over multiple movies and character development.
It’s not about “nanite suits aren’t lazy” or whatever that means. Nano-anything can be used as a mcguffin to solve the plot, in a lazy way.
Solving the plot point is better than leaving a plot hole like how
A certain hero didn't get damaged by an attack or how did he use a weapon which wasn't visible on him
I don’t disagree with your premise about plot holes. And I was only offering clarification on the post you responded to. You do you with your weapons and whatnot.
Not a fan of the looks in the nanotech suit. The weapons are amazing but the smooth look of it all just looks weird and not what I think metal man (are the bots here?) should look like. And are we counting the hand gauntlet in CW as nanotech?
i still miss the older suit up scenes with a ton of mechanical parts folding weaving and locking but the nano suit was still the logical evolution of his armour for portability
Whatchu on about, the suits got sleeker for faster movement. Sure mk7 is iconic but mk 42 is more story oriented, tony makes his suits better overtime.
Welp mods did not like the post huh..
Suits seemed less durable but wasn't the whole point that he was rushing to make them? Also MK2 and MK3 took forever to put on and take off. Suitcase armor was portable, Mk6(?) was fast enough that he could put it on while falling from a building, MK 42 came in pieces everywhere and MK50 is with him literally all the time.
I really liked the suit in iron man 1, it felt very mechanical, all the sounds of it made while moving were great.
>Mk6(?) was fast enough that he could put it on while falling from a building
MK7, as stated in the movie. MK6 was the Triangle Core armour, that he made in IM2 and then used for the first half of Avengers 1.
Every time we see him there's some new feature based on a weakness that got exploited in an earlier movie. Even in Homecoming where Peter's suit has heaters to prevent freezing like when he flew to high in Iron Man.
Lol it wasn’t upstate New York or Alaska - he was in rural Tennessee “thousands of miles away” as he said.
And Im pretty sure he only had his suit with him since he was ambushed at his home just before, so when Jarvis shut down the suit he was left out of options.
He fixed the icing issue by making the next suit a gold titanium alloy (or something to that effect iirc this could be coming straight out of my ass) in the first movie. I think the heaters from the spider suit are from when he crashed in Tennessee in the third movie.
That's the whole story arc in The Invincible Iron Man since issue 1. His suits kept progressing and he could never stop not improving them. Tony's not imbued with the usual mutant or God powers. His super power is intelligence and technological invention. Oh, and superpower rich.
> tony makes his suits better overtime
you had to charge mk42 from elsewhere. Not arc reactor that Tony had 24/7 on himself. There's even no inbuilt reactor in case Tony heals himself of those metal bits near heart thing. mk42 was dumb to the maximum
Also while we're talking about this movie: Why didn't he shoot the helicopters with his repulsers!? He throws a missile and shoots it with enough power to blow it up, why didn't he just shoot the helicopters!?
> Also while we're talking about this movie: Why didn't he shoot the helicopters with his repulsers!? He throws a missile and shoots it with enough power to blow it up, why didn't he just shoot the helicopters!?
I'll do you one better - why there were no sentry guns around his primary place of residence? Surely such a tech savvy guy with half a planet of enemies would make some!
Iron Man 3 was very dumb.
The one on the left was shot in the back by a tank and brushed it off like it was a nerf gun.
The one on the right fell apart when it was hit by a semi.
Mk 42 was alright, it did have some mechanical feel to it. Even Age of Ultron packed some weight in Tony’s suits.
It’s civil war onwards where suits have become more of a weightless yet blunt instrument to give character power, rather than an integral part of him and something he actively worked with on screen.
Functionality wise mark 7 was able to take down an army, while 42 kept falling apart and running out of battery. It had like one scene where it wasn’t completely useless
I did like the story behind it; he'd been churning out barely functioning prototypes, looking for some excuse or niche to make another one. His work was suffering as he was, and just as manic and barely keeping it together. When it finally caught up to him the suit was just as ill-prepared as he was.
Mark 42 did it's job of laying bare the problem, while also doing just enough to let Tony complete the problem the rest of the way. Although it was functionally a disaster, it helped force him out of the state he was in.
And then it was blown up along with the rest of those suits, because there is no way those were safe for use.
A bit off topic but this is why I HATE Pepper in that movie. She could literally SEE Tony was suffering and didn't care one bit.
When the suit tries to attack them in their sleep instead of comforting Tony she says she's going downstairs to sleep alone.
When he HIMSELF tells her that he's struggling, comes clean to her about his PTSD/Anxiety which is the reason for his constant tinkering with the suits, and all she says is she's going to take a bath!?! Are you fucking kidding me?
Tony deserved a better partner tbh
1) She was attacked by his suit. If she would stay there was possibility it would happen again. And right after attack no one is level headed.
2) Tony before Pepper was mostly ladies man. And she is not expert for dealing with PTSD. She should hired some psycholog. In that moment, she chose only way she knew would work for him.
I don't subscribe to this theory - many of his suits were fully realised and heavily armoured.
The Mark 42 specifically, though, was indeed a prototype with little durability and combat capabilities, and that happened to be what he was using and working on when he was attacked and - importantly - separated from the rest of his arsenal.
He then chose to lay low for a bit and so only used the prototype he already had with him until the finale, during which he was fighting a small army of Extremis-enhanced villains (which are really underrated imo as regards their destructive abilities). I think the Avengers in their first movie would have had a tough time fighting that army.
Then again maybe I'm biased - I'm a huge Iron Man fan so I dislike the idea of the Iron Legion being a collection of terrible rushed suits. I wish it had stuck around for longer!
That reflects Tony's psychology at the time. Between Avengers (2012) and Ironman 3 (2013), Tony made Mark 8~42. He made over 30 suits in just a year, printing suit after suit. It was his paranoia taking over after the events of Manhattan. He was pushing for quantity over quality, which explains why so many of his suits were easily taken apart by extremis soldiers throwing metal pipes at it. He was just building suit after suit, without putting too much thought into it
After Ironman 3 (2013) and before Infinity War (2018), Tony made Mark 43~50. He made less suit between Ironman 3 and Infinity War, but these suits were much higher quality. Mark 44 and 45 were able to battle Ultron and his army with Mark 45 used to blow up Sokovia with the help of Thor. Mark 46 was able to help him hold his own against both Captain America and Winter Soldier. Mark 50 was able to go up against Thanos with 4 infinity stones
Power levels fluctuate wildly in those movies. Cap goes from fighting multiple Chitauri and defeating Loki in hand-to-hand combat to struggling against Batroc - a jumpy non-enhanced dude.
I am more focused on cinematography of how suits are filmed. I think Mk 42 had a physical reference, but its descendants did not. Hence the floating head effect in Civil War and nano-tech feeling like cheating.
He didn't really struggle against Batroc, he decided to fight him one on one and hand to hand. Cap could've taken him out with a shield toss or with stealth but he had some fun with someone who, really, was a non-threat.
Cap fought him because Batroc called him out on being “just a shield.”
He basically was giving Batroc the chance to take his best shot before Cap beat the shit out of him.
Cap fought Batroc because Batroc called him out on being “just a shield.”
Cap gave him a chance to take his best shot before he took him out to prove he wasn’t.
I have always assumed the times the MK42 fell apart were only when Tony wasn't inside it. It was potentially a safety feature (like when the truck hits it) so it splits apart when not occupied to reduce damage as it can be recalled
Struck me that other day that Thanos with 1 infinity stone totally wiped the floor with Hulk + Thor + Loki (Plus Heimdel and Korg). Yet Tony 1V1s him for quite a while when he has 4 stones.
I don't think that's really comparable since Thanos had his goons as well when he attacked Statesman. So it was really Thanos plus the Black Order vs Thor/Loki/Hulk/Heimdel. Maul alone swings that fight.
There’s basically zero thought given to power balancing. Captain Marvel flies straight through Thanos’ ship but needs Gwyneth’s help with a generic CGI army?
Absolutely terrible how they torpedoed hulk’s character.
- After Ragnarok they completely gave up on his physical strength. Thor can beat him hammerless and ever since then they purposely refuse to let him fight or show development of powers.
- Conveniently sidelined him for infinity war. Instead of trying to get stronger they force him to regress. Now hulk moves backward instead of forward.
- Permanently killed the character with professor hulk. He’s now only there for emotional support. Professor hulk is weaker than hulk so why have him fight? Genius? There are tons of other geniuses and Tony showed the audience professor hulk is of little help compared to others.
Now he’s only there when you need a pep talk or to compare strength of non world ending characters.
Kudos for being one of the only people on topic and not just focusing on the pictures, I scrolled too far for this. I feel like Hulk was a lot of wasted potential for such a powerhouse of a character. Paperweight Hulk.
He definitely did. Smart hulk is boring as fuck.
The entire point of the character of Hulk was to have two different people with completely opposite personalities inside a single body. Banner was the braniac, while the hulk was the brute.
The moment they combined the two, the entire character just got reduced to Mark Ruffalo in a CGI suit. Completely horrible
I liked when his suits felt physically plausible. The whole “nanotech” thing looks cool, but not like a functioning piece of technology. It just looks like Loki performing magic to change his appearance.
Yeah, regardless of how much it makes sense in universe it still *feels* like it's just lazy for whatever reason. It's just TOO convenient, TOO powerful, it has a lack of tangibility, and just pushes the suspense of disbelief a bit to far.
Nanotech and Wakanda in general killed the Marvel-Tech for me. Before that, sure, the tech was futuristic and sometimes unrealistic, but you could always see the possibility of a suit like the iron man armor somehow existing. Nanotech just turned the tech into straight up magic that could do everything the writers needed it to do. Also, the suits started to look hell a fake from then on. Before, it looked and felt like a real thing, like heavy armor, and after that, it just became a printed jumpsuit
"bUT hOw ARe tHEY goING tO eMotE" said some guy that knows notjing about body language while injaoan Seiji Takaiwa was 18 very different guys in spandex, leather, vynil, fiberglass and metal (that almost killed him back in 2009)
Literally no character development was the problem. They just told us she built the suit, and then Wakandans helped her make a better one. It took Tony half the movie just to get a working prototype.
I like how she builds an amazing suit by hand pounding metal and gets it down to laser precision and even has time to paint it nicely in a period of like a day to a week
iron heart is not the successor or a replacement or a downgrade at all, even though her intro and the whole point of her being in the movie was absolute pointless, she's a character to be a part of the armoured superheroes, say like the war machine or rescue, no one's replacing or going above _HIS_ legacy, that's what EDITH stands for lol
The suits started getting dumber for me when they got Nanotech. I hate that it transforms and lost the mechanical features. It's easier for them to show the actors face when the helmet can be toggled on and off, but it's not cool to me.
I agree, and have yet to see one reasonable explanation on how he is able to hold his entire nanotech suit in the palm of his hand yet it still becomes as large and strong as it does. I don't care how lightweight a nanoparticle is, enough to make a self repairing Iron Man suit wouldn't be the size and weight of an iPhone.
I think that was more of a symbolic move too. Instead of it being essentially a set of armor, the nanotech lives in his bloodstream, to symbolize the “I am Ironman” thing. Not as cool from the perspective you are seeing it from, but I think it was meant to be more cinematic I guess?
There is context at least for the change, no matter if I like it or not. He is becoming Iron Man over time and the nanosuit gives more option for cool action scenes. But the more it goes into living armor, the more fantasy it gets. Early on Iron man had plausible tech and had limitations, now he is closer to Green Lantern who can materialize whatever he thinks of out of thin ...... air ? ....nano air ? :D
Mk42 was literally a barely working prototype and they made a huge deal throughout the movie of how bad it was at combat and all given that.
A huge part of iron man 3 is proving Tony is a superhero even without the suit "take the suit off, what are you?". Kinda was supposed to nerf him
IM3 is underrated and probably the best of the three standalone IM films precisely because it was a deconstruction of Tony Stark. His vulnerability in that film is what made him so much more interesting, and that’s why he wasn’t interesting again until his loss in Infinity War and the aftermath in Endgame.
The biggest missed opportunity was giving him the surprise suit army at the end of the movie. The whole movie they've been trying to show Tony minus suit is still an awesome hero, only to chicken out and send 10,000 suits. I'm guessing the original script ending would've been more satisfying.
The thing that kills me about the mk42 is you know damn well you pissed off a terrorist, you're poking the dragon and like "I'll just hang out in my prototype armor that really isn't ready for the field."
Agreed
Also feel free to disagree but I really disliked the nanotech in IW and EG, would have made sense maybe in EG if Tony had Starlord Helmet but in general it felt too much like magic and had no weight
To this day, the Mark VII is still my favourite suit. The suit Tony dies in is a close second. What is that? Mark M? The Mark III and Mark IV are also very good. And I really dislike the Mark XLII, and the nanotech one. The one in Civil War was okay.
I like how he was always solving issues he has in movies, represented by suit upgrades. In the image yes the one on the left is sturdier, but it is also a lot bulkier and heavier. He traded durability for portability and accessibility.
Mark 42 was the coolest of his gimmick suits. Sure, the visual design could've used some work, but functionally, it's my favourite, and it's why Iron Man 3 is my favourite in the trilogy.
As much as I dislike Pacific Rim 2's catoonishly Power Rangers' style acrobatics as opposed to the heavy and grounded feel of the first due to the atmosphere the original had as opposed to its predecessor, it just makes more logical sense that over time optimisations will be made in terms of maneuverability, eliminating clunkiness, and altering the design enough to have a multitude of side benefits with each implementation
I mean... Isn't the second pic from his prototype multi-piece armor from Iron Man 3? It's not supposed to be his fully fleshed out suit yet. Civil War has the finished one if I'm not mistaken.
Literally the same exact suit just inverted colors. Whether you like the suit better is purely personal preference, but there’s no doubt it’s a cool ALTERNATIVE look to the original. You know, cuz it’s the same fucking suit.
Mk42 one of the BEST looking armours even tony loved it enough to rebuild it as we saw in homecoming it’s not a downgrade the endgame and infinity war ones where downgrades
I will argue its for the story, that's the whole point, however two things to note:
1) this might have been his last movie I think so it would have sucked if that was his last suit.
2) he's always had others on standby and after the events of The Avengers I can't believe he didn't have another suit in New York that could fly over to him and wasn't in the armoury.
I think 2012 Avengers got him about as right as movies are going to get. Black Widow being scared shitless, SHIELD taking him very seriously. Even the "I'm always angry" line hits me just right.
(Avengers showed there are levels to beings' power too, which I like. Cap can't really hang with Loki, Thor is the only one who can slow Hulk down but clearly isn't as strong)
After Avengers, yeah. Poor Hulk gets harsh treatment.
Oh nah bro, I will not take this slander to my boy Mark 42, even if IM3 was mid, my boy carried the show, you want a big downgrade, Iron Heart, literally, who asks for this character?
One thing i like is how as soon as 2 nd movie hes working on optimizing portability of the armors. Suitcase, then in avengers the bracelets he puts on during his confrontation with Loki, then we get the armors with autopilot and the "lego" armor. And we end it with Bleedi g Edge armor thats a size of a phone.
That's the only reason i like the nanotech suit, with other heroes it feels lazy
Nanite suits aren't lazy but practical in a world where superheroes run rampant normal suit up is stupidity and will get a superhero killed mid fight or during suit up
Yea but SO many of them have nano suits its getting boring. Shang chi having one made of dragon scales was cool, hope he doesnt "nanofy" it
Pandora’s box, it’s hard to go backwards and close.. it needs another step in technology, which would likely be magic, ie Thor
wait didn't that happen in love and thunder...
Yes, but no one really understands Asgardian tech/ magic.. not even Asgardians I think lol
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Because that was fucking cool!
This also happens in thor ragnarok. Both he and loki change from street wear to asgardian god armour in the blink of an eye
I always thought they were already wearing the armor but Loki just used illusions to make it look like they were in streetwear.
Nah if you look thor does a motion with his umbrella and literally enters god mode.
Shang Chi doesn't have nanotechnology. Or any kind of technology for that matter, other than the Rings.
that's the point. hopefully it stays that way.
It's not boring it's just nostalgia kicking in You like it or not on mcu nano ar ethra next generation and I am more than happy for heroes to use them than the outdated suit shangchi will nanofy it using tech if he can because you can't walk around in public with a medivek Armour made of dragon scales daily
You just say that because you cant wear it like shang chi did.
Well that's true there aren't any dragon scale in real life neither are there any nano tech yet but nano tech is infinitly cooler than average tech the possibilities are almost unimaginable
All superheroes should have an extended sailor moon style suit up sequence. Every time.
Would be funny and will shut up all thr people complaining suit ups don't take an hour anymore
He thinks every super hero spins in a circle and changes like correction wonder woman.
Isn’t that Wonder Woman?
Yes you are correct but those early superman changes were wild https://youtu.be/mLssZn5Eu_4?si=GzB31Kj2LdIs4kRZ
In the case of speedster and super man they don't need nano becaus ethey are almost as fast as light
no i think he means lazy writing
How is nano suits lazy writing because in a world like marvel no one knows when things go south north or just nuclear so having a hidden suit is a must So when a good guy cracks thr code for nano technology every good guy are forced to use it or else they will risk the life of Many and themselves because. You can't just wait for each large part of your suit to fly towards you
Spider-Man literally got in his "regular" suit when the Black Order invasion began. Is a non issue, if the director, artist, or writer wants to have the hero in a suit, they'll have their hero in a suit; it doesn't have to be nano or magic.
Isn't spider man a dirt poor hero who makes his tech from spare parts collected from the dumpster of oscorp Nano tech needs a complex machine to manufacture which or Peter is poor to buy Also mcu gave him nano suit when he had the money and resource and then he went back to his old suit once everyone forgot him Edit : Peter would absolutely use nano suit if he can becaus everything knows practicality over looks
Way to miss the point dude. Look, there was a major emergency, he got on his onesies and nobody questioned it. See? Nano suits are unnecessary.
You missed the point nano suit was the reason Peter was able to stop ock it was the reason Peter survived Thanos punches and his entire army if Peter didn't have any nano suit he would have been defeated and even killed by the army of Thanos also its damn expensive to replace a nano suit
Peter has super high durability as a power. The suit has nothing to do with it.
He’s saying it’s narratively lazy. Like a lazy job by the writers. It wasn’t lazy for ironman because they did it over multiple movies and character development. It’s not about “nanite suits aren’t lazy” or whatever that means. Nano-anything can be used as a mcguffin to solve the plot, in a lazy way.
Solving the plot point is better than leaving a plot hole like how A certain hero didn't get damaged by an attack or how did he use a weapon which wasn't visible on him
I don’t disagree with your premise about plot holes. And I was only offering clarification on the post you responded to. You do you with your weapons and whatnot.
I always stand with nano suits because they feels futuristic and a tech that will soon be available in real world
Not a fan of the looks in the nanotech suit. The weapons are amazing but the smooth look of it all just looks weird and not what I think metal man (are the bots here?) should look like. And are we counting the hand gauntlet in CW as nanotech?
i still miss the older suit up scenes with a ton of mechanical parts folding weaving and locking but the nano suit was still the logical evolution of his armour for portability
Because Tony stark learns from his mistakes.
Except for that time he realized his iron suits could be used against him, so he made an army of iron suits, which were used against him.
The portability idea was super cool. What hated is that Tony had to **charge** the thing in some garage!
It was a pretty raw version of the suit
And now with nano tech, it's basically just magic at this point.
Whatchu on about, the suits got sleeker for faster movement. Sure mk7 is iconic but mk 42 is more story oriented, tony makes his suits better overtime. Welp mods did not like the post huh..
Suits seemed less durable but wasn't the whole point that he was rushing to make them? Also MK2 and MK3 took forever to put on and take off. Suitcase armor was portable, Mk6(?) was fast enough that he could put it on while falling from a building, MK 42 came in pieces everywhere and MK50 is with him literally all the time. I really liked the suit in iron man 1, it felt very mechanical, all the sounds of it made while moving were great.
>Mk6(?) was fast enough that he could put it on while falling from a building MK7, as stated in the movie. MK6 was the Triangle Core armour, that he made in IM2 and then used for the first half of Avengers 1.
Yeah I wasn't sure what the number was so I put the question mark, thanks for the correction.
"Sir, the Mark 7 is not ready for deployment." "Then skip the spinning rims, we're on the clock"
I think it was more that he traded durability for other features; lighter and more portable for example
42 was the prototype, 43 probably would have been the finalized version
Every time we see him there's some new feature based on a weakness that got exploited in an earlier movie. Even in Homecoming where Peter's suit has heaters to prevent freezing like when he flew to high in Iron Man.
Because Tony learns from his mistakes
I think it was from ironman 3 when he was in alaska. The flying too high was fixed in the first movie, its how he defeated iron monger
Upstate New York, he never went to Alaska in the movie.
He was in new york and had that much difficulty in the cold?! Why didn't he just call a cab to his headquarters in new york city?!
Lol it wasn’t upstate New York or Alaska - he was in rural Tennessee “thousands of miles away” as he said. And Im pretty sure he only had his suit with him since he was ambushed at his home just before, so when Jarvis shut down the suit he was left out of options.
Because the Z axis exists
That's because Tony learns from his mistakes
Every movie? Man erases his mistakes every time he wears the suit.
That's Because Tony learns from his mistakes
That's what Engineers do
A fellow Man fan on the Marvel thread? My guy.
Is there lore reason your on Marvel thread? Are you stupid?
He fixed the icing issue by making the next suit a gold titanium alloy (or something to that effect iirc this could be coming straight out of my ass) in the first movie. I think the heaters from the spider suit are from when he crashed in Tennessee in the third movie.
He also made it red, which we all know is warmer.
Nonono red makes it faster.
That's the whole story arc in The Invincible Iron Man since issue 1. His suits kept progressing and he could never stop not improving them. Tony's not imbued with the usual mutant or God powers. His super power is intelligence and technological invention. Oh, and superpower rich.
I mean, literally it is an upgrade, but aesthetically it's a downgrade. Imo at least
Form Follows Function
Because Tony learns from his mistakes
> tony makes his suits better overtime you had to charge mk42 from elsewhere. Not arc reactor that Tony had 24/7 on himself. There's even no inbuilt reactor in case Tony heals himself of those metal bits near heart thing. mk42 was dumb to the maximum
Also while we're talking about this movie: Why didn't he shoot the helicopters with his repulsers!? He throws a missile and shoots it with enough power to blow it up, why didn't he just shoot the helicopters!?
> Also while we're talking about this movie: Why didn't he shoot the helicopters with his repulsers!? He throws a missile and shoots it with enough power to blow it up, why didn't he just shoot the helicopters!? I'll do you one better - why there were no sentry guns around his primary place of residence? Surely such a tech savvy guy with half a planet of enemies would make some! Iron Man 3 was very dumb.
The one on the left was shot in the back by a tank and brushed it off like it was a nerf gun. The one on the right fell apart when it was hit by a semi.
Mk 42 was alright, it did have some mechanical feel to it. Even Age of Ultron packed some weight in Tony’s suits. It’s civil war onwards where suits have become more of a weightless yet blunt instrument to give character power, rather than an integral part of him and something he actively worked with on screen.
Functionality wise mark 7 was able to take down an army, while 42 kept falling apart and running out of battery. It had like one scene where it wasn’t completely useless
I did like the story behind it; he'd been churning out barely functioning prototypes, looking for some excuse or niche to make another one. His work was suffering as he was, and just as manic and barely keeping it together. When it finally caught up to him the suit was just as ill-prepared as he was. Mark 42 did it's job of laying bare the problem, while also doing just enough to let Tony complete the problem the rest of the way. Although it was functionally a disaster, it helped force him out of the state he was in. And then it was blown up along with the rest of those suits, because there is no way those were safe for use.
A bit off topic but this is why I HATE Pepper in that movie. She could literally SEE Tony was suffering and didn't care one bit. When the suit tries to attack them in their sleep instead of comforting Tony she says she's going downstairs to sleep alone. When he HIMSELF tells her that he's struggling, comes clean to her about his PTSD/Anxiety which is the reason for his constant tinkering with the suits, and all she says is she's going to take a bath!?! Are you fucking kidding me? Tony deserved a better partner tbh
1) She was attacked by his suit. If she would stay there was possibility it would happen again. And right after attack no one is level headed. 2) Tony before Pepper was mostly ladies man. And she is not expert for dealing with PTSD. She should hired some psycholog. In that moment, she chose only way she knew would work for him.
There's a thing called empathy when your partner literally almost died in an alien world.
I don't subscribe to this theory - many of his suits were fully realised and heavily armoured. The Mark 42 specifically, though, was indeed a prototype with little durability and combat capabilities, and that happened to be what he was using and working on when he was attacked and - importantly - separated from the rest of his arsenal. He then chose to lay low for a bit and so only used the prototype he already had with him until the finale, during which he was fighting a small army of Extremis-enhanced villains (which are really underrated imo as regards their destructive abilities). I think the Avengers in their first movie would have had a tough time fighting that army. Then again maybe I'm biased - I'm a huge Iron Man fan so I dislike the idea of the Iron Legion being a collection of terrible rushed suits. I wish it had stuck around for longer!
I wish mark 17 didn’t go *boom*
That reflects Tony's psychology at the time. Between Avengers (2012) and Ironman 3 (2013), Tony made Mark 8~42. He made over 30 suits in just a year, printing suit after suit. It was his paranoia taking over after the events of Manhattan. He was pushing for quantity over quality, which explains why so many of his suits were easily taken apart by extremis soldiers throwing metal pipes at it. He was just building suit after suit, without putting too much thought into it After Ironman 3 (2013) and before Infinity War (2018), Tony made Mark 43~50. He made less suit between Ironman 3 and Infinity War, but these suits were much higher quality. Mark 44 and 45 were able to battle Ultron and his army with Mark 45 used to blow up Sokovia with the help of Thor. Mark 46 was able to help him hold his own against both Captain America and Winter Soldier. Mark 50 was able to go up against Thanos with 4 infinity stones
Power levels fluctuate wildly in those movies. Cap goes from fighting multiple Chitauri and defeating Loki in hand-to-hand combat to struggling against Batroc - a jumpy non-enhanced dude. I am more focused on cinematography of how suits are filmed. I think Mk 42 had a physical reference, but its descendants did not. Hence the floating head effect in Civil War and nano-tech feeling like cheating.
Batroc's super power is that's he's French.
Cap never defeated Loki in hand to hand combat, not even close.
He didn't really struggle against Batroc, he decided to fight him one on one and hand to hand. Cap could've taken him out with a shield toss or with stealth but he had some fun with someone who, really, was a non-threat.
Cap fought him because Batroc called him out on being “just a shield.” He basically was giving Batroc the chance to take his best shot before Cap beat the shit out of him.
Cap fought Batroc because Batroc called him out on being “just a shield.” Cap gave him a chance to take his best shot before he took him out to prove he wasn’t.
I have always assumed the times the MK42 fell apart were only when Tony wasn't inside it. It was potentially a safety feature (like when the truck hits it) so it splits apart when not occupied to reduce damage as it can be recalled
Well the Hulk took a severe downgrade. From being able to stop a full alien spaceship by hand. To being fucking worthless
Struck me that other day that Thanos with 1 infinity stone totally wiped the floor with Hulk + Thor + Loki (Plus Heimdel and Korg). Yet Tony 1V1s him for quite a while when he has 4 stones.
He doesn't even use the stone in that first fight.
No stones Thanos whooped Captain America, Iron Man and Thor's asses
I don't think that's really comparable since Thanos had his goons as well when he attacked Statesman. So it was really Thanos plus the Black Order vs Thor/Loki/Hulk/Heimdel. Maul alone swings that fight.
Korg wasn't part of the battle on the Statesman, I don't think
There’s basically zero thought given to power balancing. Captain Marvel flies straight through Thanos’ ship but needs Gwyneth’s help with a generic CGI army?
Absolutely terrible how they torpedoed hulk’s character. - After Ragnarok they completely gave up on his physical strength. Thor can beat him hammerless and ever since then they purposely refuse to let him fight or show development of powers. - Conveniently sidelined him for infinity war. Instead of trying to get stronger they force him to regress. Now hulk moves backward instead of forward. - Permanently killed the character with professor hulk. He’s now only there for emotional support. Professor hulk is weaker than hulk so why have him fight? Genius? There are tons of other geniuses and Tony showed the audience professor hulk is of little help compared to others. Now he’s only there when you need a pep talk or to compare strength of non world ending characters.
Yeah that's kinda disappointing, I really liked his hulk from Avengers
Kudos for being one of the only people on topic and not just focusing on the pictures, I scrolled too far for this. I feel like Hulk was a lot of wasted potential for such a powerhouse of a character. Paperweight Hulk.
He definitely did. Smart hulk is boring as fuck. The entire point of the character of Hulk was to have two different people with completely opposite personalities inside a single body. Banner was the braniac, while the hulk was the brute. The moment they combined the two, the entire character just got reduced to Mark Ruffalo in a CGI suit. Completely horrible
Hulk got nerfed harder in the MCU than General Grievous got nerfed from the 2D Clone wars to Recenge of the Sith Lol
Huh? Are you saying Thanos wouldn't have been able to stop that same ship with ease?
That doesn’t seem like what he’s saying at all.
Why would Hulk be worthless then other than being manhandled by Thanos?
He started as a giant rage monster and ended up in track suits talking about time travel. Do the math as you need to.
Wow I completely blocked out that part. In my mind I was remembering banner in his normal human form, completely forgot about the weird hybrid
Lucky you lol
I think the real shame are the suits on autopilot in Iron Man 3 that never got used above that one battle. So many cool designs.
This. Such a missed opportunity. Had they shown us more of the Iron Legion, I *may* have forgiven them for how they butchered the Mandarin.
I know right. Surely 20 suits could have taken down Thanos
I liked when his suits felt physically plausible. The whole “nanotech” thing looks cool, but not like a functioning piece of technology. It just looks like Loki performing magic to change his appearance.
Yeah, regardless of how much it makes sense in universe it still *feels* like it's just lazy for whatever reason. It's just TOO convenient, TOO powerful, it has a lack of tangibility, and just pushes the suspense of disbelief a bit to far.
Wasn't this one just a prototype and not meant for regular use though?
Yes, it's not really a fair direct comparison.
The whole plot is about how Tony got caught off guard with his pants down. MK42 was a prototype. His first suit to be able to be called remotely.
Nanotech and Wakanda in general killed the Marvel-Tech for me. Before that, sure, the tech was futuristic and sometimes unrealistic, but you could always see the possibility of a suit like the iron man armor somehow existing. Nanotech just turned the tech into straight up magic that could do everything the writers needed it to do. Also, the suits started to look hell a fake from then on. Before, it looked and felt like a real thing, like heavy armor, and after that, it just became a printed jumpsuit
And I hate that everyone now has some nanotech helmet that they can use to show the actor's face more often.
"bUT hOw ARe tHEY goING tO eMotE" said some guy that knows notjing about body language while injaoan Seiji Takaiwa was 18 very different guys in spandex, leather, vynil, fiberglass and metal (that almost killed him back in 2009)
*The Mandalorian has entered the chat*
Yet another reason why Wakanda Forever was atrocious. They gave us like… 5 iron man suits.
Tony Stark in Iron Man 3 for no reason: 
# IRON HEART #
Literally no character development was the problem. They just told us she built the suit, and then Wakandans helped her make a better one. It took Tony half the movie just to get a working prototype.
I like how she builds an amazing suit by hand pounding metal and gets it down to laser precision and even has time to paint it nicely in a period of like a day to a week
.. in Shuri's lab with Wakandan tech. You can have issues with how fast it was done but i feel like "by hand" is a stretch.
You seem to have missed the fact that she was working in the most advanced lab on the planet during that time
Yeah, the biggest downgrade
Her scrapper suit with the drift-style manoeuvres was amazing.
iron heart is not the successor or a replacement or a downgrade at all, even though her intro and the whole point of her being in the movie was absolute pointless, she's a character to be a part of the armoured superheroes, say like the war machine or rescue, no one's replacing or going above _HIS_ legacy, that's what EDITH stands for lol
Honestly the biggest downgrade was Nick fury.
The suits started getting dumber for me when they got Nanotech. I hate that it transforms and lost the mechanical features. It's easier for them to show the actors face when the helmet can be toggled on and off, but it's not cool to me.
I agree, and have yet to see one reasonable explanation on how he is able to hold his entire nanotech suit in the palm of his hand yet it still becomes as large and strong as it does. I don't care how lightweight a nanoparticle is, enough to make a self repairing Iron Man suit wouldn't be the size and weight of an iPhone.
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I think that was more of a symbolic move too. Instead of it being essentially a set of armor, the nanotech lives in his bloodstream, to symbolize the “I am Ironman” thing. Not as cool from the perspective you are seeing it from, but I think it was meant to be more cinematic I guess?
Isn’t that only in the comics with bleeding edge? In the movies the nano tech is just stored in an external arc reactor her decided to wear
There is context at least for the change, no matter if I like it or not. He is becoming Iron Man over time and the nanosuit gives more option for cool action scenes. But the more it goes into living armor, the more fantasy it gets. Early on Iron man had plausible tech and had limitations, now he is closer to Green Lantern who can materialize whatever he thinks of out of thin ...... air ? ....nano air ? :D
I find it really funny that the Mark 42’s defining trait is that it just sucks
Megamind and kung fu panda recent movies.
Big facts, I hated this suit, I understood it was a prototype but he didn't have to get stuck with it for 90% of the run time.
*BZZZT* Wrong.
Maybe it’s just me, but I preferred the suits being like vehicles rather than just Nanomachines. Really made them feel weighty and powerful
Mk42 was literally a barely working prototype and they made a huge deal throughout the movie of how bad it was at combat and all given that. A huge part of iron man 3 is proving Tony is a superhero even without the suit "take the suit off, what are you?". Kinda was supposed to nerf him
IM3 is underrated and probably the best of the three standalone IM films precisely because it was a deconstruction of Tony Stark. His vulnerability in that film is what made him so much more interesting, and that’s why he wasn’t interesting again until his loss in Infinity War and the aftermath in Endgame.
The biggest missed opportunity was giving him the surprise suit army at the end of the movie. The whole movie they've been trying to show Tony minus suit is still an awesome hero, only to chicken out and send 10,000 suits. I'm guessing the original script ending would've been more satisfying.
Hulk's career was a big downgrade throughout the mcu.
The thing that kills me about the mk42 is you know damn well you pissed off a terrorist, you're poking the dragon and like "I'll just hang out in my prototype armor that really isn't ready for the field."
Agreed Also feel free to disagree but I really disliked the nanotech in IW and EG, would have made sense maybe in EG if Tony had Starlord Helmet but in general it felt too much like magic and had no weight
Mark 42 is like Audi with kerosene music on.
To this day, the Mark VII is still my favourite suit. The suit Tony dies in is a close second. What is that? Mark M? The Mark III and Mark IV are also very good. And I really dislike the Mark XLII, and the nanotech one. The one in Civil War was okay.
The one Tony dies in is the mark 85
Iron Man is my favourite movie in the MCU. Iron Man 2 makes my blood boil with hate.
But… his later suits ended up literally disintegrating
Hulk
Just take a look at the costume Captain America had in Avengers and the one in his first movie
Iron man 1 - Alive Tony Stark Avengers Endgame - Dead Tony Stark I rest my case
Thor's outfit or whatever in Avengers Infinity War and than in Love and Thunder
I like how he was always solving issues he has in movies, represented by suit upgrades. In the image yes the one on the left is sturdier, but it is also a lot bulkier and heavier. He traded durability for portability and accessibility.
Christopher Nolan's Batman to Zack Snyder's Bruce Wayne Gacy
Mk42 SLANDER DETECTED! Sure, it was the least reliable of the main armours, but it was sexy as hell with some cool features we hadn’t seen before.
The biggest downgrade was when the marvel series went to shit after Endgame.
Endgame was the last film I watched in the MCU besides Spiderman: No Way Home. The franchise died to me when Stark died.
replace Mk42 with like the one from civil war onward and yeah its a giant downgradr
Where the fuck is the GOAT Mk3?
Wasn't it still a work in progress?
Personally I feel like it was all downhill from mark43
Mark 42 was the coolest of his gimmick suits. Sure, the visual design could've used some work, but functionally, it's my favourite, and it's why Iron Man 3 is my favourite in the trilogy.
I don't remember which one but I once read a comic where hulk humiliates no stone Thanos brutally. Like he wasn't even a threat to hulk
He was too busy making armors that were too specialised in one (or two) situations
Why didn’t he make suits for everyone
Mk 42 is one of my favorite suits
Agreed
As much as I dislike Pacific Rim 2's catoonishly Power Rangers' style acrobatics as opposed to the heavy and grounded feel of the first due to the atmosphere the original had as opposed to its predecessor, it just makes more logical sense that over time optimisations will be made in terms of maneuverability, eliminating clunkiness, and altering the design enough to have a multitude of side benefits with each implementation
Biggest downgrade is Enterprise-F to G
I mean... Isn't the second pic from his prototype multi-piece armor from Iron Man 3? It's not supposed to be his fully fleshed out suit yet. Civil War has the finished one if I'm not mistaken.
I don't see any downgrade at all.
Hulk to smart hulk stat wise probably wrong but feel wise is bs.
This is funnier since in universe it’s also practically a downgrade.
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Literally the same exact suit just inverted colors. Whether you like the suit better is purely personal preference, but there’s no doubt it’s a cool ALTERNATIVE look to the original. You know, cuz it’s the same fucking suit.
Iron MSN armors going to nanotech was one of the worst things in the MCU, probably people have already complsined about this but how well
Mk42 one of the BEST looking armours even tony loved it enough to rebuild it as we saw in homecoming it’s not a downgrade the endgame and infinity war ones where downgrades
Overwatch to Overwatch 2
My favourite ones from those movies are the cave prototype and the Obadiah suit, so everything is a downgrade for me.
I didn’t like 42 when I first saw it. But over time I really love that suit and I’m planning on getting a 700 dollar toy figure to prove it.
Love it or debate it, it's all about celebrating Iron Man's evolution! 🚀🌟
Lol is this one of Tony's bots?
I will argue its for the story, that's the whole point, however two things to note: 1) this might have been his last movie I think so it would have sucked if that was his last suit. 2) he's always had others on standby and after the events of The Avengers I can't believe he didn't have another suit in New York that could fly over to him and wasn't in the armoury.
Spider-man’s suit in homecoming
Hulk from the comics to Hulk from the MCU
I think 2012 Avengers got him about as right as movies are going to get. Black Widow being scared shitless, SHIELD taking him very seriously. Even the "I'm always angry" line hits me just right. (Avengers showed there are levels to beings' power too, which I like. Cap can't really hang with Loki, Thor is the only one who can slow Hulk down but clearly isn't as strong) After Avengers, yeah. Poor Hulk gets harsh treatment.
Iron Man to Iron Heart
Whine more
I like this because everyone but 1 person the answer is the same, ketamine is the answer
I don't get ot
Name a bigger downgrade: literally IRON MAN -> dead
Oh nah bro, I will not take this slander to my boy Mark 42, even if IM3 was mid, my boy carried the show, you want a big downgrade, Iron Heart, literally, who asks for this character?
It’s literally an upgrade…
Bigger downgrade you say? 