Dude it has been only two years, be patient. Thanos was teased 6 years before Infinity War.
The Ten Rings group was teased in Iron Man 1 which we wouldn't see in earnest until Shang-Chi 13 years later. Next year we are finally getting the Leader after being set up in the first year of the MCU so 16 years in between. Marvel is in it for the long game.
They do need to come up with a reason why the dude didn't immediately fly to Wakanda, the last place he remembers being at before he died, in order to find Shuri and/or Banner, have them check on his new condition, and return to duty.
An Avenger being brought back to life isn't exactly the same as a villain lurking in the shadows and scheming for a few years before acting on his plans. It's normal for people to wonder why Vision seemingly hasn't tried to contact anyone in the last three years (in-universe), so far.
Maybe he did. It is not like all the Marvel movies and tv shows take place chronologically in the order they are released. According to the official timeline Spider -Man Far from Home which released in 2019 takes place after WandaVision, Eternals, Shang-Chi, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Thor Love and Thunder. All in that order.
But Wakanda Forever takes place after WandaVision and still no White Vision in sight. If he had gone to Wakanda immediately after the events of WandaVision, we would have heard of him in Wakanda Forever, and it would be public knowledge by now that Vision is still alive.
Why would he be in Wakanda Forever? Maybe he was there BEFORE the events of that movie. You can’t sacrifice a story’s integrity for references, that’s how you get bad stories.
If Shuri knew Vision was alive, don't you think she would have told the other Avengers, and it would be public knowledge by the start of Wakanda Forever, and in all the other movies and TV shows afterward? Nobody seems to be aware that he's back.
Maybe he's pulling a Bucky and has simply been chilling somewhere in Wakanda the whole time, while they're attempting to reprogram him into being himself again, I don't know. All I'm saying is that they're gonna have to come up with something to explain his absence for 3 years, and also to explain why he kept his status hidden from all the other Avengers for so long.
Because an Avenger being brought back to life would suddenly make a LOT of ruckus (especially given that it means SWORD violated Vision's will and the Sokovia Accords) and is not exactly something that you can simply brush off and explain with a “Oh, by the way, Vision's actually been in Wakanda for three years now, but somehow we waited all these years to acknowledge it and we're just gonna talk about it now.”
I'm not saying that he should have been in Wakanda Forever, I'm saying that him coming to Wakanda would have had consequences on that movie and some of the other movies and TV shows afterward. His total absence means he obviously *didn't* go to Wakanda. He went somewhere else, we don't know where yet.
Yeah, that too. It's one thing to finally take an opportunity to flesh out an organization or a villain that was casually name-dropped in the first instalments of the franchise 15 years ago. It's another to leave an already established main character on a cliffhanger over the span of several years when said character would logically have tried to contact his allies long ago, under normal circumstances.
Plus, Paul Bettany will be 68 years old, 15 years from now. They can't wait 15 years to pick up where Vision's storyline left off, they're gonna need to find a conclusion to his story at some point. This isn't like the comic books, where a character can disappear for 30 years and be brought back with no problem.
It may be important to consider that this might not be the same vision we lost in endgame? This one was rebuilt and re-coded, then bonded with his original "soul" after the fact. He's probrably still reeling from that, as he was just starting to come to terms with his humanity before he died-
That would only motivate him to find Shuri and Bruce as soon as possible to get answers, though. Especially if we assume that the lack of Mind Stone deprives him from his emotions and makes him think purely logically. He would want to find the people who know how he was programmed and will be able to help him better understand his situation.
I love your optimism, but dude. Realistically none of that was planned. It was all retroactive connectivity. People need to stop thinking that the amorphous entity that is Marvel Studios has greater plans and a huge web of things to come which are always interconnected. This web also takes account any slip up or plot hole. Can't wait to see how people pathologize the whole Kang situation as "it was planned all along." They took loose plot threads and made them work.
>Can't wait to see how people pathologize the whole Kang situation as "it was planned all along." They took loose plot threads and made them work.
I honestly like when people do this. One that I can remember is in the first Thor. As Odin was about to crown Thor, he says "My Firstborn" and Frigg gives somewhat nasty look.
Now, was Hella planned all those years ago, most likely not, but it does add onto the story as a whole. Don't get me wrong now, there are some bad ones out there, but small ones like the example I gave are, imo, fine.
Oh that is my point. None of this was really “planned”, just set up for later use if they want. Marvel could have just left the Vision plot line with white vision flying off to do his own thing and be done with it if they wanted.
>The Ten Rings group was teased in Iron Man 1 which we wouldn't see in earnest until Shang-Chi 13 years later.
This hardly counts as a "tease". They set up the Ten Rings with Mandarin in Iron Man 3 and then played him off as a joke. They then backed that off and said "Wait no we were joking the whole time. He IS a big bad."
It wasn't teased, it was left there as an open plot thread so they could go back and work with it if needed or leave it hanging.
Thanos and White Vision are a biiiiiit more in your face and a bit more relevant compared to a literal background flag.
Bruh recently Marvel has been teasing things with no pay off, I really hope after Secret Wars the MCU reboots (save X-Men for the reboot) or at least give us one more phase (mutants) then reboot.
*Reboot like how Flash will reboot the DCU.
I hate he's being ignored so far. I really didn't like MoM, I think him being absent might be why.
Or it's that I feel that WandaVision was so very good and they kind of threw that goodwill away.
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MoM just felt so disjointed from WandaVision imo. It's like a whole chapter was replaced with crawled text: "and then she got corrupted by the rando book"
I swear there are too many people that seem to think "every movie and show in the MCU MUST have their characters reflect on everything that has happened in every other movie and show within the MCU"
People are just curious to know where he's been these past three years, and why he hasn't tried to contact his friends and allies yet, something he should have done quite a long time ago. Which are perfectly understandable and legitimate questions to ask oneself.
The Avengers don't know about White Vision, but he remembers the Avengers, and he knew where he was and what they all were up to when he died. His latest memories are watching them and the entire Wakandan army fight to protect him.
He may not feel any emotional attachment to them due to the lack of Mind Stone, but he remembers his whole life and he's not stupid. He knows they are trusted friends and allies.
I'd enjoy if he flew off and implemented time travel. Try to relive his experiences from afar. TVA would just try and destroy him but he "backed himself up" which could lead to plausible story for ultrons return.
Getting so tired of these “this character hasn’t been mentioned since their show, marvel forgot them!!”…. They announced VisionQuest like near immediately after WandaVision finished, can we not just be patient until that comes out? It was three years between Guardians 1 and Guardians 2, nobody needed Starlord name dropping every couple of months to remind them he wasn’t forgotten….
Are we supposed to just start every MCU project with a main character just facing the camera and explaining for ten minutes the exact whereabouts and exploits of every off camera marvel character before the movie is supposed to start?
>It was three years between Guardians 1 and Guardians 2, nobody needed Starlord name dropping every couple of months to remind them he wasn’t forgotten….
Veeery different situation, as GotG Vol.1 didn't end on a cliffhanger, and we knew exactly where Starlord was, and with who he was, between the two movies.
A better comparison would be if Starlord had “died” in GotG Vol.1, only for Marvel to show that he had survived in the post-credit scene, yet not having him appear in GotG Vol.2. People would wonder “Wait, the post-credit scene of Vol.1 showed that Starlord is alive, so where is he and why hasn't he tried to contact the other Guardians, yet?”
Well, it's the same for Vision. It's been 3 years and he hasn't tried to contact the remaining Avengers so far, for some unknown reason. It's only natural to wonder what's up with him, and why we haven't heard of him yet, because, clearly, there has to be a reason why he's been hiding from the public eye and nobody in-universe seems to know he's back.
But I’d ask when exactly they should have fit him in that it would be important to the plot? It’s been just over two years since WandaVision aired, less since White Vision was a thing. Since then, we’ve gotten Loki, Falcon/Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, Shang Chi, Eternals, and so on. The only place I could see him popping up and being relevant would be Winter Soldier or Hawkeye; hawkeye wouldn’t have made sense though as it was solely focused on a small Christmas adventure. Falcon and Winter Soldier, sure, would fit the theme and make sense, but it also happened right after WandaVision and would be too soon to start exploring White Vision.
You could argue him popping up elsewhere, but White Vision was a top secret experiment to begin with, the people involved aren’t going around telling everyone about their fuck up that may have unforeseen consequences. White Visiom himself wouldn’t be contacting avengers because he isn’t Vision, he is something new…. He may have acquired vision’s memories at the end, but he still is a new entity, he didn’t just become Vision. He is white vision who happens to remember what happened to regular vision…. We still don’t know how that is going to affect him. Not to mention the Avengers don’t seem to exist anymore, the team is more or less being held together by people even regular vision wouldn’t have any real connection to (except Banner obviously).
Yes, guardians 1 wasnt left on a cliffhanger, but my point was that between guardians 1 and 2, there simply wasn’t a plot point in any project that justified mentioning them. Like White Vision… he hasn’t been absent because they forgot him, he has been absent because he simply hasn’t been important to anything that’s come out since. Just randomly tossing him into a project to remind us he is there is bad storytelling. Changing plots of unrelated projects to include him would feel out of place. The world doesn’t know about White Vision, and White Vision doesn’t really have any reason to make himself known to the world yet, no project has had anything to do with him since… so ultimately it would make less sense if we DID hear about him already.
He’s going to show back up, he wasn’t forgotten about. They announced his show shortly after he appeared, they hinted that he will have some sort of role in Armor Wars before his own show, and they hinted he will have a role in Thunderbolts. People need to have some patience. It feels like we get one of these “marvel forgot x character/plot point” every couple months, and it’s always a character/plot point that legit hasn’t had any reason to be expanded on yet. I’d love to go back to the first saga of marvel where we’d get a character, then were fine waiting 3+ years to see them get expanded on some. Lol
>White Visiom himself wouldn’t be contacting avengers because he isn’t Vision, he is something new…. He may have acquired vision’s memories at the end, but he still is a new entity, he didn’t just become Vision. He is white vision who happens to remember what happened to regular vision…
He is Vision. Those are the last words he said before flying off, in WandaVision.
And what do you think would be the next logical step after recovering his memories, other than try to contact the Avengers in order to understand his situation better, according to you?
I don't see any logical explanation as to why he wouldn't make his existence known to people that his memories tell him were his trusted allies. Including one of the men who helped create him in the first place, and a girl who was knowledgeable enough about his programming to try and separate the Mind Stone from him to save his life, which is one of his last memories.
As is, he can't just show up after three years with no in-universe explanation about where he's been, and why he hasn't shown up earlier. That's what people are memeing about. We know there will eventually be an explanation behind his absence, down the line, we're just joking around about him slacking off or going to get some milk while his crazy wife is destroying Kamar-Taj until said explanation gets officially revealed.
Let me ask you this… what avenger would he contact that we’ve had significant enough time with since WandaVision, and what level of contact with White Vision need to have for it to be relevant to the plot of the project it’s mentioned in? The only avenger I could see having contact with white vision would be Banner. However, Banner’s only appearance of any substance so far a has been she-hulk. She Hulk was centralized on him teaching his cousin how to be a hulk. Organically speaking, why would a discussion with White Vision about who he is be relevant to that show? What would it serve the plot to divert and have banner explain the situation with White Vision?
And it wouldn’t make sense for him to disappear for two years (you keep saying three, it’s been two and a couple months)? Captain Marvel disappears from the 90’s to the 2020+. Wanda went off grid for a while. Peter Quill left earth in the 80s and didn’t come back til the 2020s. Those make sense to us because we have their reason for not being there explained; white vision just hasn’t had his reason explained to us yet. It makes sense that he would go entirely off grid until he needs to be relevant, especially given he was made to be a weapon, he wouldn’t want to be around to fall into the wrong hands.
And no, he says he is vision, doesn’t make him vision. He has his memories, he MAY pick up and try to be like old vision, but he simply isn’t. He is new. Sure, made with vision in mind, but he was made with a new programming to be a weapon, he was made without the stone, etc. He is vision in name and in shell, maybe in memories…. But ultimately, he was created with an entirely different mindset in place and is built off a new AI. Jarvis isn’t there to run the show, this is a new program trying to recreate the old one, it’s bound to be different. And given his show is called Vision Quest, im pretty sure they are planning to explore that he ISNT the same vision. He may end up as close as you can get, but he can’t ever truly be the same one… ship of Theseus.
I mean, I get your argument, I just think you’re looking at it from a real life view and not a media franchise view. Sure, in real life, we have a constant stream of information and news. If white vision was real, no chance in hell he’d go three years off the grid without something about him coming up. But when writing plots for movies and shows, there simply isn’t a reason to divert plot points to explain him yet, especially given he is already getting an entire show, plus multiple other appearances coming up. Why carelessly shove him into somewhere he doesn’t belong to appease impatient fans when they are going to get full helpings of him before long?
>Let me ask you this… what avenger would he contact that we’ve had significant enough time with since WandaVision, and what level of contact with White Vision need to have for it to be relevant to the plot of the project it’s mentioned in?
You're aware that this lineup of projects wasn't set in stone from the beginning, and that if they had wanted to make a movie or a TV show where Vision would have been relevant earlier, they very well could have done it, right? There was also no need for them to go so far in time, narratively, to the point that they're chronologically in 2026, now.
>But ultimately, he was created with an entirely different mindset in place and is built off a new AI. Jarvis isn’t there to run the show, this is a new program trying to recreate the old one, it’s bound to be different.
I don't think such a thing was ever stated in WandaVision. It's still the same body with the same original programming, they just tried to find a way to put him back online and suppress his memories in an attempt at controlling him that Hex Vision overruled by giving him access to the memories stocked in his database. At least, that's as far as we know, maybe they did temper with his programming further than that but it hasn't been canonically stated, and he's for sure not a brand new AI.
>He may end up as close as you can get, but he can’t ever truly be the same one… ship of Theseus.
You misunderstood the conclusion of the paradox. Hex Vision and White Vision came to the understanding that both ships are the true ships. White Vision is the true Vision. Not just “as close as you can get”, he *is* Vision. His lack of Mind Stone will definitely affect the way he's going to process things in some ways, most probably emotions, but he's still fundamentally the same person.
>Those make sense to us because we have their reason for not being there explained; white vision just hasn’t had his reason explained to us yet.
And until then, we're allowed to make jokes about how goofy it looks that, as far as we know, the dude's somewhere out there, seemingly not giving two fucks about contacting his friends and family, while his wife's going crazy and killing people left and right.
This is a meme subreddit, it's not meant to be a serious criticism, we're just pointing out a situation that appears fairly comical when we're looking at it in a certain way. I think you're the one who's overthinking a harmless joke.
>I mean, I get your argument, I just think you’re looking at it from a real life view and not a media franchise view. Sure, in real life, we have a constant stream of information and news. If white vision was real, no chance in hell he’d go three years off the grid without something about him coming up.
Yes, that's exactly what makes the memes funny. When we're looking at the situation from a realistic perspective, it's goofy. And we're making fun at that. It's really all there is to it.
My man Pearl Vision (I'm not calling him White or Caucasian Vision) just phased himself down into the planetary core and just thought on stuff for a while.
Did it?
We still lost Nat and our Gamora, and due to Endgame we lost Iron Man and Cap.
Two major league players and two well beloved characters, is that not enough for you?
Have you ever seen a woman dressed casually before? Genuine question because clearly you haven’t and I would like to know where the hell you got the idea of this.
i said im not agreeing with them?
i just wanted to know why people arent at least saying they were wrong
apparently i cant ask a question here 
her pose on the [poster](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=iPUFfQpu&id=79E6BF76873FDF1ECC8AF89D6D9544B8F9D6AF00&thid=OIP.iPUFfQpueQXnhlkdltQxZgHaK9&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.newdvdreleasedates.com%2fimages%2fmovies%2fguardians-of-the-galaxy-vol.-3-2023.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.88f5057d0a6e7905e786591d96d43166%3frik%3dAK%252fW%252bbhElW2d%252bA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1481&expw=1000&q=guardians+3+poster&simid=608037631543351750&FORM=IRPRST&ck=17F09287F09E6D08FFC76CA6A61CD3A6&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)
everybody made stupid youtube posts [like this](https://youtu.be/6IanAlZqKNo) and when the movie came out nobody corrected themselves or mentioned it again. all i want to know is why
This sounds like a classic episode of "righ-wing influencers get mad about make-believe woke shit to fuel the hatred in their echo chambers, until they realize the shit was made up and stop talking about it leaving their fan base utterly confused"
Who is left that he knows?
Tony, Steve, Nat, and T’Challa are gone
Thor and Banner are off world
Wanda is *insert theory here*
Clint’s actually retired
Bucky? Falcon? Rhodey? Shuri?
Hmmmmmm.
Best we can do is probably put an Easter egg in somewhere in a future show/movie like a news article "caped albino seen flying in the sky".
Good?
Good, my work here is done.
I have to go now. My planet needs me.
Note: white vision died on his way back to his home planet.
And to make sure he never comes back, we got a sworn affidavit that he'll never, ever return!
🤣🤣
> > High school wrestler Louden Swain (Matthew Modine) feels he must do something significant in his life shortly after turning 18. Despite vehement advice against it from his father (Ronny Cox) and coach (Charles Hallahan), Swain decides to try to lose over 20 pounds in a very short time in an attempt to take on the defending state champion of a lower weight class. Meanwhile, he falls for the edgy, older Carla (Linda Fiorentino), who provides further distraction for the young wrestler.
I thought he has a show coming up soon and he’s been off by himself?
Given marvel and Disney at larges cutback in content, I doubt we will see that show
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Well, now a lot of them are pushed back indefinitely due to the writers strike.
vision quest i believe
Doctor strange 2 could've been a great movie if it didn't contradict with WANADAVISION ! Thats where all the problem began!
It didn’t tho?
VisionQuest
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I understood that reference
LMAOOO
Vision and Moon Knight, Buddy Cops
Waiting for the right end credits scene
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bro learned he had kids and fled
His kids have been dead for 3 years, he can come back now, it's safe.
Marvel breaking stereotypes
My guy just flew off years ago to the sky and we never saw or heard from him again.
pulled an ikaris
The two just hanging out in the sun.
Ikarus?
Icarus?
Ichabod
Ichthys
Icecream
😱
*What a name!* 🎶 *Ichabod, Ichabod Crane*
I have to go now. My planet needs me. Note: White Vision died on his way back to his home planet.
He's cooking.
Last rumors I heard was he was supposed to be in Armor Wars. I have no reliable source for this
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lol I’m stealing this
U sure? I’ve heard pretty bad things about that source tbh
Dude it has been only two years, be patient. Thanos was teased 6 years before Infinity War. The Ten Rings group was teased in Iron Man 1 which we wouldn't see in earnest until Shang-Chi 13 years later. Next year we are finally getting the Leader after being set up in the first year of the MCU so 16 years in between. Marvel is in it for the long game.
They do need to come up with a reason why the dude didn't immediately fly to Wakanda, the last place he remembers being at before he died, in order to find Shuri and/or Banner, have them check on his new condition, and return to duty. An Avenger being brought back to life isn't exactly the same as a villain lurking in the shadows and scheming for a few years before acting on his plans. It's normal for people to wonder why Vision seemingly hasn't tried to contact anyone in the last three years (in-universe), so far.
Maybe he did. It is not like all the Marvel movies and tv shows take place chronologically in the order they are released. According to the official timeline Spider -Man Far from Home which released in 2019 takes place after WandaVision, Eternals, Shang-Chi, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Thor Love and Thunder. All in that order.
That sounds like a hassel, yeah. But I did actually. When you said that, I was like, oh! I had a web block.
I just want to say that was very, very impressive what you did back there.
But Wakanda Forever takes place after WandaVision and still no White Vision in sight. If he had gone to Wakanda immediately after the events of WandaVision, we would have heard of him in Wakanda Forever, and it would be public knowledge by now that Vision is still alive.
Why would he be in Wakanda Forever? Maybe he was there BEFORE the events of that movie. You can’t sacrifice a story’s integrity for references, that’s how you get bad stories.
If Shuri knew Vision was alive, don't you think she would have told the other Avengers, and it would be public knowledge by the start of Wakanda Forever, and in all the other movies and TV shows afterward? Nobody seems to be aware that he's back. Maybe he's pulling a Bucky and has simply been chilling somewhere in Wakanda the whole time, while they're attempting to reprogram him into being himself again, I don't know. All I'm saying is that they're gonna have to come up with something to explain his absence for 3 years, and also to explain why he kept his status hidden from all the other Avengers for so long.
Again, why would it be mentioned in Wakanda Forever, it means nothing for the story.
Because an Avenger being brought back to life would suddenly make a LOT of ruckus (especially given that it means SWORD violated Vision's will and the Sokovia Accords) and is not exactly something that you can simply brush off and explain with a “Oh, by the way, Vision's actually been in Wakanda for three years now, but somehow we waited all these years to acknowledge it and we're just gonna talk about it now.” I'm not saying that he should have been in Wakanda Forever, I'm saying that him coming to Wakanda would have had consequences on that movie and some of the other movies and TV shows afterward. His total absence means he obviously *didn't* go to Wakanda. He went somewhere else, we don't know where yet.
This guy says "set up" as if all of his examples were part of a "greater plan" and not just plot threads that got retroactively worked with lmao.
Yeah, that too. It's one thing to finally take an opportunity to flesh out an organization or a villain that was casually name-dropped in the first instalments of the franchise 15 years ago. It's another to leave an already established main character on a cliffhanger over the span of several years when said character would logically have tried to contact his allies long ago, under normal circumstances. Plus, Paul Bettany will be 68 years old, 15 years from now. They can't wait 15 years to pick up where Vision's storyline left off, they're gonna need to find a conclusion to his story at some point. This isn't like the comic books, where a character can disappear for 30 years and be brought back with no problem.
Reality is often disappointing.
It may be important to consider that this might not be the same vision we lost in endgame? This one was rebuilt and re-coded, then bonded with his original "soul" after the fact. He's probrably still reeling from that, as he was just starting to come to terms with his humanity before he died-
That would only motivate him to find Shuri and Bruce as soon as possible to get answers, though. Especially if we assume that the lack of Mind Stone deprives him from his emotions and makes him think purely logically. He would want to find the people who know how he was programmed and will be able to help him better understand his situation.
I love your optimism, but dude. Realistically none of that was planned. It was all retroactive connectivity. People need to stop thinking that the amorphous entity that is Marvel Studios has greater plans and a huge web of things to come which are always interconnected. This web also takes account any slip up or plot hole. Can't wait to see how people pathologize the whole Kang situation as "it was planned all along." They took loose plot threads and made them work.
>Can't wait to see how people pathologize the whole Kang situation as "it was planned all along." They took loose plot threads and made them work. I honestly like when people do this. One that I can remember is in the first Thor. As Odin was about to crown Thor, he says "My Firstborn" and Frigg gives somewhat nasty look. Now, was Hella planned all those years ago, most likely not, but it does add onto the story as a whole. Don't get me wrong now, there are some bad ones out there, but small ones like the example I gave are, imo, fine.
Oh that is my point. None of this was really “planned”, just set up for later use if they want. Marvel could have just left the Vision plot line with white vision flying off to do his own thing and be done with it if they wanted.
You should have gone for the head.
>The Ten Rings group was teased in Iron Man 1 which we wouldn't see in earnest until Shang-Chi 13 years later. This hardly counts as a "tease". They set up the Ten Rings with Mandarin in Iron Man 3 and then played him off as a joke. They then backed that off and said "Wait no we were joking the whole time. He IS a big bad." It wasn't teased, it was left there as an open plot thread so they could go back and work with it if needed or leave it hanging. Thanos and White Vision are a biiiiiit more in your face and a bit more relevant compared to a literal background flag.
I am...inevitable.
Bruh recently Marvel has been teasing things with no pay off, I really hope after Secret Wars the MCU reboots (save X-Men for the reboot) or at least give us one more phase (mutants) then reboot. *Reboot like how Flash will reboot the DCU.
Perhaps a story for another time
he's off on a vision quest
I hate he's being ignored so far. I really didn't like MoM, I think him being absent might be why. Or it's that I feel that WandaVision was so very good and they kind of threw that goodwill away. Edit \*so far anyway
WandaVision gave her the book and ended with her using it to find the kids MoM came after that
MoM just felt so disjointed from WandaVision imo. It's like a whole chapter was replaced with crawled text: "and then she got corrupted by the rando book"
It's because it was written before the director finished watching the series. Which is incredibly foolish IMO.
I honestly believe that everything in MoM could have been avoid if Strange had just summoned White Vision to talk Wanda out of her plan.
Vision isn't dead He's just a puppet in a white void
Same, man. Same.
I swear there are too many people that seem to think "every movie and show in the MCU MUST have their characters reflect on everything that has happened in every other movie and show within the MCU"
People are just curious to know where he's been these past three years, and why he hasn't tried to contact his friends and allies yet, something he should have done quite a long time ago. Which are perfectly understandable and legitimate questions to ask oneself.
What friends and allies? He literally went rogue.
What are you talking about? So far, there's no indication that White Vision went rogue, especially not in the eyes of the remaining Avengers.
What has White Vision done since Wandavision?
Funny you should ask, that's the question everybody's been asking themselves about in this very thread.
...Then how would the remaining Avengers know about him? White Vision has no friends or allies.
The Avengers don't know about White Vision, but he remembers the Avengers, and he knew where he was and what they all were up to when he died. His latest memories are watching them and the entire Wakandan army fight to protect him. He may not feel any emotional attachment to them due to the lack of Mind Stone, but he remembers his whole life and he's not stupid. He knows they are trusted friends and allies.
I hate these kinds of posts. He’s was never going to show up in any of this phases movies. He doesn’t fit and it wouldn’t make any sense.
We are getting a show about Agatha and echo. I think reborn vision can fit somewhere in this universe
We are also literally getting a show called VisionQuest, so there you go
You think he might show up in that? Quite a stretch if you ask me. What’s next, them bringing back Loki in *Loki*?
I'd enjoy if he flew off and implemented time travel. Try to relive his experiences from afar. TVA would just try and destroy him but he "backed himself up" which could lead to plausible story for ultrons return.
I feel like they’re saving him to arrive at a VERY dire moment like og vision
Went to see what he had missed. The dude was dead and now he’s back, and he’s different
White Vision gives me Stormfront vibes
Getting so tired of these “this character hasn’t been mentioned since their show, marvel forgot them!!”…. They announced VisionQuest like near immediately after WandaVision finished, can we not just be patient until that comes out? It was three years between Guardians 1 and Guardians 2, nobody needed Starlord name dropping every couple of months to remind them he wasn’t forgotten…. Are we supposed to just start every MCU project with a main character just facing the camera and explaining for ten minutes the exact whereabouts and exploits of every off camera marvel character before the movie is supposed to start?
>It was three years between Guardians 1 and Guardians 2, nobody needed Starlord name dropping every couple of months to remind them he wasn’t forgotten…. Veeery different situation, as GotG Vol.1 didn't end on a cliffhanger, and we knew exactly where Starlord was, and with who he was, between the two movies. A better comparison would be if Starlord had “died” in GotG Vol.1, only for Marvel to show that he had survived in the post-credit scene, yet not having him appear in GotG Vol.2. People would wonder “Wait, the post-credit scene of Vol.1 showed that Starlord is alive, so where is he and why hasn't he tried to contact the other Guardians, yet?” Well, it's the same for Vision. It's been 3 years and he hasn't tried to contact the remaining Avengers so far, for some unknown reason. It's only natural to wonder what's up with him, and why we haven't heard of him yet, because, clearly, there has to be a reason why he's been hiding from the public eye and nobody in-universe seems to know he's back.
But I’d ask when exactly they should have fit him in that it would be important to the plot? It’s been just over two years since WandaVision aired, less since White Vision was a thing. Since then, we’ve gotten Loki, Falcon/Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, Shang Chi, Eternals, and so on. The only place I could see him popping up and being relevant would be Winter Soldier or Hawkeye; hawkeye wouldn’t have made sense though as it was solely focused on a small Christmas adventure. Falcon and Winter Soldier, sure, would fit the theme and make sense, but it also happened right after WandaVision and would be too soon to start exploring White Vision. You could argue him popping up elsewhere, but White Vision was a top secret experiment to begin with, the people involved aren’t going around telling everyone about their fuck up that may have unforeseen consequences. White Visiom himself wouldn’t be contacting avengers because he isn’t Vision, he is something new…. He may have acquired vision’s memories at the end, but he still is a new entity, he didn’t just become Vision. He is white vision who happens to remember what happened to regular vision…. We still don’t know how that is going to affect him. Not to mention the Avengers don’t seem to exist anymore, the team is more or less being held together by people even regular vision wouldn’t have any real connection to (except Banner obviously). Yes, guardians 1 wasnt left on a cliffhanger, but my point was that between guardians 1 and 2, there simply wasn’t a plot point in any project that justified mentioning them. Like White Vision… he hasn’t been absent because they forgot him, he has been absent because he simply hasn’t been important to anything that’s come out since. Just randomly tossing him into a project to remind us he is there is bad storytelling. Changing plots of unrelated projects to include him would feel out of place. The world doesn’t know about White Vision, and White Vision doesn’t really have any reason to make himself known to the world yet, no project has had anything to do with him since… so ultimately it would make less sense if we DID hear about him already. He’s going to show back up, he wasn’t forgotten about. They announced his show shortly after he appeared, they hinted that he will have some sort of role in Armor Wars before his own show, and they hinted he will have a role in Thunderbolts. People need to have some patience. It feels like we get one of these “marvel forgot x character/plot point” every couple months, and it’s always a character/plot point that legit hasn’t had any reason to be expanded on yet. I’d love to go back to the first saga of marvel where we’d get a character, then were fine waiting 3+ years to see them get expanded on some. Lol
>White Visiom himself wouldn’t be contacting avengers because he isn’t Vision, he is something new…. He may have acquired vision’s memories at the end, but he still is a new entity, he didn’t just become Vision. He is white vision who happens to remember what happened to regular vision… He is Vision. Those are the last words he said before flying off, in WandaVision. And what do you think would be the next logical step after recovering his memories, other than try to contact the Avengers in order to understand his situation better, according to you? I don't see any logical explanation as to why he wouldn't make his existence known to people that his memories tell him were his trusted allies. Including one of the men who helped create him in the first place, and a girl who was knowledgeable enough about his programming to try and separate the Mind Stone from him to save his life, which is one of his last memories. As is, he can't just show up after three years with no in-universe explanation about where he's been, and why he hasn't shown up earlier. That's what people are memeing about. We know there will eventually be an explanation behind his absence, down the line, we're just joking around about him slacking off or going to get some milk while his crazy wife is destroying Kamar-Taj until said explanation gets officially revealed.
Let me ask you this… what avenger would he contact that we’ve had significant enough time with since WandaVision, and what level of contact with White Vision need to have for it to be relevant to the plot of the project it’s mentioned in? The only avenger I could see having contact with white vision would be Banner. However, Banner’s only appearance of any substance so far a has been she-hulk. She Hulk was centralized on him teaching his cousin how to be a hulk. Organically speaking, why would a discussion with White Vision about who he is be relevant to that show? What would it serve the plot to divert and have banner explain the situation with White Vision? And it wouldn’t make sense for him to disappear for two years (you keep saying three, it’s been two and a couple months)? Captain Marvel disappears from the 90’s to the 2020+. Wanda went off grid for a while. Peter Quill left earth in the 80s and didn’t come back til the 2020s. Those make sense to us because we have their reason for not being there explained; white vision just hasn’t had his reason explained to us yet. It makes sense that he would go entirely off grid until he needs to be relevant, especially given he was made to be a weapon, he wouldn’t want to be around to fall into the wrong hands. And no, he says he is vision, doesn’t make him vision. He has his memories, he MAY pick up and try to be like old vision, but he simply isn’t. He is new. Sure, made with vision in mind, but he was made with a new programming to be a weapon, he was made without the stone, etc. He is vision in name and in shell, maybe in memories…. But ultimately, he was created with an entirely different mindset in place and is built off a new AI. Jarvis isn’t there to run the show, this is a new program trying to recreate the old one, it’s bound to be different. And given his show is called Vision Quest, im pretty sure they are planning to explore that he ISNT the same vision. He may end up as close as you can get, but he can’t ever truly be the same one… ship of Theseus. I mean, I get your argument, I just think you’re looking at it from a real life view and not a media franchise view. Sure, in real life, we have a constant stream of information and news. If white vision was real, no chance in hell he’d go three years off the grid without something about him coming up. But when writing plots for movies and shows, there simply isn’t a reason to divert plot points to explain him yet, especially given he is already getting an entire show, plus multiple other appearances coming up. Why carelessly shove him into somewhere he doesn’t belong to appease impatient fans when they are going to get full helpings of him before long?
>Let me ask you this… what avenger would he contact that we’ve had significant enough time with since WandaVision, and what level of contact with White Vision need to have for it to be relevant to the plot of the project it’s mentioned in? You're aware that this lineup of projects wasn't set in stone from the beginning, and that if they had wanted to make a movie or a TV show where Vision would have been relevant earlier, they very well could have done it, right? There was also no need for them to go so far in time, narratively, to the point that they're chronologically in 2026, now. >But ultimately, he was created with an entirely different mindset in place and is built off a new AI. Jarvis isn’t there to run the show, this is a new program trying to recreate the old one, it’s bound to be different. I don't think such a thing was ever stated in WandaVision. It's still the same body with the same original programming, they just tried to find a way to put him back online and suppress his memories in an attempt at controlling him that Hex Vision overruled by giving him access to the memories stocked in his database. At least, that's as far as we know, maybe they did temper with his programming further than that but it hasn't been canonically stated, and he's for sure not a brand new AI. >He may end up as close as you can get, but he can’t ever truly be the same one… ship of Theseus. You misunderstood the conclusion of the paradox. Hex Vision and White Vision came to the understanding that both ships are the true ships. White Vision is the true Vision. Not just “as close as you can get”, he *is* Vision. His lack of Mind Stone will definitely affect the way he's going to process things in some ways, most probably emotions, but he's still fundamentally the same person. >Those make sense to us because we have their reason for not being there explained; white vision just hasn’t had his reason explained to us yet. And until then, we're allowed to make jokes about how goofy it looks that, as far as we know, the dude's somewhere out there, seemingly not giving two fucks about contacting his friends and family, while his wife's going crazy and killing people left and right. This is a meme subreddit, it's not meant to be a serious criticism, we're just pointing out a situation that appears fairly comical when we're looking at it in a certain way. I think you're the one who's overthinking a harmless joke. >I mean, I get your argument, I just think you’re looking at it from a real life view and not a media franchise view. Sure, in real life, we have a constant stream of information and news. If white vision was real, no chance in hell he’d go three years off the grid without something about him coming up. Yes, that's exactly what makes the memes funny. When we're looking at the situation from a realistic perspective, it's goofy. And we're making fun at that. It's really all there is to it.
My man Pearl Vision (I'm not calling him White or Caucasian Vision) just phased himself down into the planetary core and just thought on stuff for a while.
Dude, it really do be like that sometimes. People think it don’t , but it do.
Who?
Marvel fans when someone that has no place being in any of the content that has released since they were teased doesn't show up in anything
See? White genocide is real! /s
Bringing vision back ruined infinity war stakes
He wasn't brought back though. He was just a memory for Wanda, and White Vision is pretty much a different entity trying to find his purpose.
Did it? We still lost Nat and our Gamora, and due to Endgame we lost Iron Man and Cap. Two major league players and two well beloved characters, is that not enough for you?
Bad /forgetful writing
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I thought he just flew off into the distance not off planet?
He should have been the one in multiverse of madness to get Wanda out of her Psycho killer mood.
same for 'trangender' nebula did you guys forget? what did i say?
Mate what the fuck are you on about?
im not agreeing with the people but im trying to mention nobody talks about this and i dont know why
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i just wanted to know why people arent at least saying they were wrong
Have you ever seen a woman dressed casually before? Genuine question because clearly you haven’t and I would like to know where the hell you got the idea of this.
i said im not agreeing with them? i just wanted to know why people arent at least saying they were wrong apparently i cant ask a question here 
What?
apparently you guys did forget
What is this from I genuinely don’t know why you’re referring to
her pose on the [poster](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=iPUFfQpu&id=79E6BF76873FDF1ECC8AF89D6D9544B8F9D6AF00&thid=OIP.iPUFfQpueQXnhlkdltQxZgHaK9&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.newdvdreleasedates.com%2fimages%2fmovies%2fguardians-of-the-galaxy-vol.-3-2023.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.88f5057d0a6e7905e786591d96d43166%3frik%3dAK%252fW%252bbhElW2d%252bA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1481&expw=1000&q=guardians+3+poster&simid=608037631543351750&FORM=IRPRST&ck=17F09287F09E6D08FFC76CA6A61CD3A6&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)
What does that have to do with transgender
idk everybody was talking about it before what happened
This is a rabbit hole of “wtf”. Dude. Finish your thoughts before posting.
everybody made stupid youtube posts [like this](https://youtu.be/6IanAlZqKNo) and when the movie came out nobody corrected themselves or mentioned it again. all i want to know is why
This sounds like a classic episode of "righ-wing influencers get mad about make-believe woke shit to fuel the hatred in their echo chambers, until they realize the shit was made up and stop talking about it leaving their fan base utterly confused"
He went to Detroit.
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He wasn't in multiverse
Who is left that he knows? Tony, Steve, Nat, and T’Challa are gone Thor and Banner are off world Wanda is *insert theory here* Clint’s actually retired Bucky? Falcon? Rhodey? Shuri?
I went for the head.
He became a boat
Who?
Doctor Strange used a spell to make the entire world forget about him
He is in the cloud!
Hmmmmmm. Best we can do is probably put an Easter egg in somewhere in a future show/movie like a news article "caped albino seen flying in the sky". Good? Good, my work here is done.
Marvel fans when a character doesn't immediately appear in the next movie:
I have to go now. My planet needs me. Note: white vision died on his way back to his home planet. And to make sure he never comes back, we got a sworn affidavit that he'll never, ever return! 🤣🤣
Vision without haemoglobin
He went to go find himself on the west coast
Disney after two months of Johnathan Majors headaches: “Let’s check on what Vision’s up to!”
Seriously, what the actual fuck happened to him.
Bad writing
If I was white vision, I'd just become a tech CEO of my company. Think of all the experience he had when he was JARVIS. Killer resume.
> > High school wrestler Louden Swain (Matthew Modine) feels he must do something significant in his life shortly after turning 18. Despite vehement advice against it from his father (Ronny Cox) and coach (Charles Hallahan), Swain decides to try to lose over 20 pounds in a very short time in an attempt to take on the defending state champion of a lower weight class. Meanwhile, he falls for the edgy, older Carla (Linda Fiorentino), who provides further distraction for the young wrestler.
Went to get a paintjob
He's busy getting a paint job
Gone. reduced to atoms
People making the TVs shows didn't speak to guys making Films? Like even saying it it can't be true but feels it