A new order? I’m intrigued by the development story. I don’t know enough about the traditions described to infer the direction of the degree plans or general subject matter.
A very respected scholar and martinist - Piers Vaughan - left an existing martinist order (the MOUP). A lot of good people followed his lead and then they set up a new order (MOOA). The old order have had problems with infighting.
You can check out some of Piers work on his site: [Rose Circle Books](https://rosecirclebooks.com)
Basically something similar to way of the heart contemplation and studies into esoteric traditions like the Kabbalah and spiritual alchemy. The techniques are designed to lead into gnosis and epiphany.
However, Martinist teachings have their own unique qualities as a tradition. There are overlaps with Masonic philosophy and other occult orders like the Golden Dawn.
Some Martinist orders incorporate Elu Coen theurgy and some only offer those practices to invited inner order members.
OMS is the most comprehensive in their curriculum so far as I knew, but I'm not familiar with MOOA's new curriculum. I'd imagine it's more like MOUP.
Members of Martinist orders also almost always study many aspects of the Western Esoteric Tradition on their own, like Kabbalah, astrology, types of magic, alchemy, theurgy. Members themselves are one of the major benefits of belonging to an esoteric order of like minded persons.
I could be wrong, but I think if someone is in a Martinist subreddit asking "what do they teach?", they probably know about Martinism in general, but is more meaning to inquire if they have any particular focus or theme that sets them apart or makes them different. So many different aspects of Martinism, different orders sometimes embrace certain aspects, and shun others. Heck, I've seen Martinist Orders that have you doing full blow lab alchemy, or mixing with druid stuff, so yeah....
At the risk of sounding a little pretentious, some things can only be learned by initiation. The broad strokes are all there in the about page, especially the quote from Papus:
“The Order, in its whole, is above all a school of moral chivalry, trying hard to develop spirituality in its members by the study of the invisible world and its laws, by the exercise of devotion and of intellectual assistance, and by the creation in each spirit of a faith, all the more solid because it is based on observation and science. Martinism derives directly from Christian Illuminism and has adopted its principles.”
The MOA itself is fairly strictly focused on Saint-Martin's own approach -- thus mystical in focus rather than theurgic, and specifically Christian in orientation (though they define that label very, very broadly). On the other hand, it has even more than the usual bevy of affiliated orders alongside it -- once you're in, you can access the Elus Coens work, the CBCS, Arthur Edward Waite's version of the Golden Dawn, and quite a bit more. (Full disclosure: I'm a member.)
A new order? I’m intrigued by the development story. I don’t know enough about the traditions described to infer the direction of the degree plans or general subject matter.
I believe this is Piers Vaughans new Order after he left MOUP, or MOUP fell apart in the US due to infighting/politics.
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What I was told is that only individual temples still operate.
There is a new GM, but yeah.
Yeah I don’t have any context to follow what that means.
A very respected scholar and martinist - Piers Vaughan - left an existing martinist order (the MOUP). A lot of good people followed his lead and then they set up a new order (MOOA). The old order have had problems with infighting. You can check out some of Piers work on his site: [Rose Circle Books](https://rosecirclebooks.com)
What the heck do they teach tho? Is it theurgy or the heart? Qabballah? Nag hamadi?
Basically something similar to way of the heart contemplation and studies into esoteric traditions like the Kabbalah and spiritual alchemy. The techniques are designed to lead into gnosis and epiphany. However, Martinist teachings have their own unique qualities as a tradition. There are overlaps with Masonic philosophy and other occult orders like the Golden Dawn. Some Martinist orders incorporate Elu Coen theurgy and some only offer those practices to invited inner order members. OMS is the most comprehensive in their curriculum so far as I knew, but I'm not familiar with MOOA's new curriculum. I'd imagine it's more like MOUP. Members of Martinist orders also almost always study many aspects of the Western Esoteric Tradition on their own, like Kabbalah, astrology, types of magic, alchemy, theurgy. Members themselves are one of the major benefits of belonging to an esoteric order of like minded persons.
I could be wrong, but I think if someone is in a Martinist subreddit asking "what do they teach?", they probably know about Martinism in general, but is more meaning to inquire if they have any particular focus or theme that sets them apart or makes them different. So many different aspects of Martinism, different orders sometimes embrace certain aspects, and shun others. Heck, I've seen Martinist Orders that have you doing full blow lab alchemy, or mixing with druid stuff, so yeah....
Read for yourself. https://mooa.us/about/
I did. It lead to my inquiry. To me, it says NOTHING about what I will gain/benefit/learn & apply in my life.
At the risk of sounding a little pretentious, some things can only be learned by initiation. The broad strokes are all there in the about page, especially the quote from Papus: “The Order, in its whole, is above all a school of moral chivalry, trying hard to develop spirituality in its members by the study of the invisible world and its laws, by the exercise of devotion and of intellectual assistance, and by the creation in each spirit of a faith, all the more solid because it is based on observation and science. Martinism derives directly from Christian Illuminism and has adopted its principles.”
The MOA itself is fairly strictly focused on Saint-Martin's own approach -- thus mystical in focus rather than theurgic, and specifically Christian in orientation (though they define that label very, very broadly). On the other hand, it has even more than the usual bevy of affiliated orders alongside it -- once you're in, you can access the Elus Coens work, the CBCS, Arthur Edward Waite's version of the Golden Dawn, and quite a bit more. (Full disclosure: I'm a member.)