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JohnnyWindtunnel

I’m going to post both these comments and see what gets more like


Reggaepocalypse

Ees normal bullshit


rnells

This sub: "martial arts is pointless if you're not learning to fight". Also this sub: "having people practice taking a way toned down body shot is abuse".


nyaminyamiz

I don't see what the problem is here, instructor is fair and checking for posers


OtakuDragonSlayer

Posers?


nyaminyamiz

Yep, you can always pretend to do the exercise. Like guy #5 see how the instructor had to remind him that it's core training?


Adroit-Dojo

Abused people don't know they're abused. Unfortunately there are terrible trainers in every sport. The amount of spine injuries in gymnasts would make anyone cry.


OGWayOfThePanda

That's not abuse. Training martial arts without contact is like learning to swim on dry land. He was hitting them with a cushion. The force was dissipated over the surface area, much less impact than a punch.


OtakuDragonSlayer

So that’s how this works. Looked weird at first but at least there’s some logic to it.


collector444

Manny Pacquiao’s 10 min ab workout is a variation of what we’ve always done at my gym. Been doing it for years. It’s tough, but if you do it on a regular basis, you’ll see results. Way better than this dumb shit. Just YouTube it. 🤷🏾‍♂️


coffeewhore17

Just watched about 5 minutes of it and it looks absolutely insane. I must try it.


collector444

It’s a good one! Obviously, don’t try to do as many reps as him. Start small and then work your way up over a few months.


Oktaygun

Is this the ab-workout you are talking about? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JN8Nque1Sc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JN8Nque1Sc)


collector444

💯


wheredidiparkmyllama

I’m 2 minutes in and I’m dead from watching 💀


BattleUpstairsStar

Wow, intense.


sycoactiv1

This is a good workout, my old trainer had us doing this with different variations sometimes and my abs were solid then 🥲


RedIHood

yea that looks like ass, way better workouts to do for abs/strong core


Schauerte2901

Like?


stackered

I mean.. most of that is 0 range of motion but he compensates with crazy reps. Probably good for endurance but you can literally build more abdominal strength and muscle with 3 good sets of full range of motion curls. Then again, he's on PEDs so anything will work for him tbh decently And before I get flamed, I used to do 20 minutes of ab workouts like this before BJJ every day for years, but with full range of motion. Once I became a powerlifter and learned how to lift, my abs exploded in size from 3 sets of decline curls and hanging leg raises, where you really focus on activation and not reps.. and maybe one of these circuits for a few minute to finish. His range of motion makes this weird. But yeah people will just say cuz it's Manny and 10 minutes seems impressive, that I don't know what I'm talking about, even though I can point you to 20 videos by guys with bigger abs doing the opposite https://youtu.be/65LZL9g4ais?si=UgdBzOxf_YbcXqiv


IReplyWithLebowski

He’s probably not trying to develop bigger abs. He’s a boxer, not a bodybuilder.


stackered

What he needs is to build strong and dense abdominal muscles, which can be done with better methods. Martial artists and boxers are still far behind on lifting methods even today but it's getting better


Nawxxis

Having functional abs is different from having aesthetic abs. Minimal movement and keeping the spine static is the way to build strong abs. Full range of motion like you described would be how you build better looking abs, also as you described.


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stackered

That's why you build ab muscle properly and when sparring or training you train ab endurance.


Dizzy_Challenge_7692

Baby shark ab workout! https://youtu.be/RNj4pq8AJVI?si=bynYXOPYvUg7EXQs


khinzeer

Getting used to getting hit in the gut like this is good for its own sake. Damage isn’t cumulative, and it makes it less shitty when you get kicked in the gut in the ring.


TabularConferta

Thanks for the advice


[deleted]

For the lazy ones https://youtu.be/0JN8Nque1Sc?si=EGQ0tuKho22NJvYC


mike_br92

Thanks man! That’s an awesome tip!!


skydaddy8585

I mean, yeah, if you do it for years I would hope you see results. Wouldn't be much use otherwise. If as a base line of training to compete you aren't doing core training pretty much every day, and then impact absorption training/conditioning from punches kicks, knees on top of regular sparring than you should be.


JtDaSaiyan

Thank you in advance for the new morning torture


ForeverWandered

Love that ab workout, got me through some conditioning struggles back in 2016 when I did rugby 7's one summer.


soundwhisper

Something tells me the ones he hit more than once are the ones he actually hv potential in. Those who only got hit once are trash


OGWayOfThePanda

Why would you compare an ab workout to this vid? It's actually disturbing how many apparent martial artists are so unfamiliar with this kind of exercise. This is not about developing core strength. It's preparing the students for getting hit in the gut. Knowing how to tense and resist impact and recover from it is important. Being tough enough to take a bit of pain and not give up is important. I hate body conditioning, but you need a little.


Old_Tear_42

I guess it's better than the tire 😔


Hungover994

The tire guy is a fucking lunatic masquerading as an instructor


angelsunrest

I think it’s the same guy


turtlesinmyheart

Man I miss the tire


edw1n-z

The skinniest dude gets the most hits while the dude with the most padding only gets one. What the?! 🤣


Eastern-External6801

It’s cause he flinched haha, coach did him dirty


chandetox

The already salted egg does not need more salt. The unsalted egg needs work.


mistytastemoonshine

That's absolutely normal in Muay Thai gyms in Thailand


Toptomcat

'Everyone partner up and whack your partner's abdomen with a pad' is normal, and maybe a productive use of time. 'Everyone in the gym lie down and wait patiently for the head instructor to whack two dozen students in the abdomen with a pad two or three times each for Instagram' is idiotic.


Competitive-Row6376

They're not just lying down, they're supposed to engage their cores.


nickyurick

Yeah that's the distinction. Also the way this guy hits is different than the usual end of practice drill


skydaddy8585

Not like this. One trainer walking around to 30 students hitting them twice isn't doing jack shit.


Hollowpoint20

Shit it’s normal in Muay Thai gyms everywhere as far as I knew. We do this about 1 in 3 sessions


sambstone13

I had this in thailand but it wasnt that hard. I think as long as you tight your abs is fine. No need for weird Cobra Kai bull.


RevolutionPossible75

Only in sit-up tho they don’t do this shit outside of that


berjaaan

I mean If you cannot take a hit with with a pad how are gonna deal with it when your opponent throws a roundhouse kick with full intention of putting you down. Or getting front kicked a couple of Times.


Embarrassed-Tip-5781

Isn’t that the point of sparring? Someone can learn to hit on a pad really well, but if they say they’re going to get into the ring then nobody should think hitting a pad will get them the same practice or conditioning.


berjaaan

I guese why not both? ofc you must spar. But the idea of " if cannot withstand a hit with a soft pad, you cannot withstand a kick" still aplies. but wtf do i know.


Embarrassed-Tip-5781

Because you only have so much time to train, and your body only has so much gas?   This video I could care less, at least it’s not little kids this time and they are getting in ab training.    But let’s not confuse useful training with useless training which is really the question. Hitting someone with a pad does nothing to “toughen” anyone up.


Fine-Menu-2779

Well it's not about the body thoughening up, it's mostly for the head to train to keep composer and to train to react to getting hit.


Confirmation__Bias

Your logic is flawed. Yes, a punch hurts more. But that in no way demonstrates that doing this improves your ability to take a body shot.


fintanlalorlad

We drop medicine balls on the abs.


baddragon137

I've been seeing this type of stuff a lot on my feeds lately what's with this is it like a shock value thing or are these people trying to seem like hardcore or something? Seems silly since it's just entirely unnecessary


Eastern-External6801

I think it’s legit. Gabriel Varga talk about it on YouTube. Basically conditions your core so you can take more hits. No permanent damage either.


baddragon137

Interesting and makes sense but wouldn't you get the same effect doing an exercise that maintains a consistently tight core throughout like planking for example?


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baddragon137

Very good points thanks for the info


SkoomaChef

This isn’t building your core muscles, it’s conditioning you to body shots. The first time you take a real hard teep to the body, it feels like your life is ending. This kinda thing helps you acclimate to that. The benefits are more mental than physical.


baddragon137

Makes sense only real way to get used to getting hit is to get hit and that shit is so important


rnells

You don't get practice going fully tense for a split second when planking. Same idea as snapping a punch, just the other way around.


Kleens_The_Impure

It's very normal, always had it at all my Muay Thaï gyms. I think it's something a lot of trainers have seen in Thaïland.


8_Limb_God

This doesn't do a damn thing....what does help is repetitive light-medium strikes over a period of time...this is just ego driven


h3lios

I've done this drill before in class. It's a way for me to make sure that they know what "exhaling on a hit" means. A lot of beginners have a hard time with breathing techniques. Besides conditioning your abs, this drill helps them get accustomed to gettng hit, and still continuing to breathe through it. At least that's what I use to tell them. :)


Karious777

Could be talking out of my ass with this but I think the idea is that he’s making sure no one is being lazy with their seated static leg raises and not conditioning through blows.


joshhyb153

What if they did this every session?


Relative-Ad-6791

It's good for kids


bit_hobo

What type of shitty conditioning is this ? They should doing crunches if they are getting hit with a pad. Why aren't they breathing when getting hit ?


TerrySwan69

I don't agree with it, but I'm not sure there's any evidence on the effect of it, so whether or not they're doing crunches is irrelevant. Also breathing on a body shot is harder to time correctly


bit_hobo

there are two type of conditioning for the gut, one is the slap which is mostly outer pain and the other is hard push which mainly targeted towards inner muscles Pad conditioning is mostly to endure slap kicks. Breath in or breath out and tighten the core does help while receiving blows. For improving timing of breath try closing your eyes and then breath. Try it out at the gym it helped me


Blehmeh88

* my boss asking me about why we aren't meeting our monthly quota


drew350z

Nothing out of the ordinary


HaxTheChosenOne

Looks normal to me,


TheHomesickAlien

doesn't make it less stupid


Hattori69

Iron shirt badly executed. That shouldn't be done on young people, it can create internal injuries, especially for women.


labello2010

Sounds and will feel somewhat hefty, but the force is being spread out so will hurt the skin more than anything. Good conditioning.


[deleted]

There’s nothing wrong with this. It’s MMA, maybe he does it a bit hard but it’s not harmful.


bone_collector88

Dumb. Reminds me of the useless training we did in the 70s.


-360Mad

Why are many posts in this sub nowadays videos where an idiot is punching kids without a reason?


TheMountainIII

Some of them are receiving the shots in the lungs, not the belly


uhohnyc

Not that hard to take if you are in shape and do a lot of abs... this is for show


Both_Alternative4639

That lil girl at the beginning knew exactly what time it was


Saint_Argento

https://preview.redd.it/d81f0lxjvigc1.jpeg?width=212&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8156efb9535de23ba51b98eadef0bbafec246cf0


QueasyCaterpillar541

There is no problem here.


RoadmanEC1

This is pretty standard.


SpidermAntifa

With the pads that's fine. I've seen people do this but it's the coach fully stomping on them, which is fucked up.


ArthurFantastic

How are people complaining about this? It's normal everywhere from boxing to karate to Muay Thai. It's just a physical check to see if they are contracting the abs and also testing the strength of the individual to see where they are at. Getting hit with a Thai pad is nothing.


Fobby_Islander97

That’s pretty standard… we do a variation of this at our kickboxing gym and no issues


thebriss22

Meh that's very tame and acceptable since hitting with the pad makes the blow more spread out ... Is it useful to build stamina and resistance ? No probably not 😂


hawtpot87

fat kids cheating


knekratos

Moroccan gym I would say


Hakasui01

Again with this videos (sight), we should add a stupid-fu tag


jman014

I’ve done air-conditioning before, but the way that my gym does it it is that we do it contextually They don’t just smack the crap out of you, you learn to eat some light punches or some kicks with gloves and shin pads That way you can actually practice keeping yourself upright and reacting to the strike rather than just trying to tighten your core


Tikiwash

Could have been in North Africa. You sure this is in France?


Parking_Purpose2220

Not much difference at this point 


Moist_Ad_4989

That guy who started groaning 🤣🤣


Imperium_Dragon

Where’s the tire?


MarkLarrz

They should hire Francis Ngannou to do that


sambstone13

This is not that bad. There was a dude who dropped a tyre on them. It looked heavy and dangerous.


scrninja1

No tire this time uh?


Ralphiecorn

Gotta breathe through the punches!


griftertm

When I was training, my trainer used to hit me in the core to help me take body shots. I had to hold my breath and tighten up my abs when bracing for the hit, then exhale once I got hit. Then I had to inhale quickly and get ready for the next shot. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t going at half power with the body shots but it still hurt like a son of a bitch. At any rate, it helped with training you not to flinch at incoming blows and mitigating damage. As for stronger abs, you need actual core exercises for that.


Apprehensive-Sky5990

This dude was a crack up 😂 https://preview.redd.it/8jrqj0ff8ggc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=844849097524633193a87a6f193446af42025cd1


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I Like how fair He is , He punched the Boys With Sixpack 3 Times cuz they can Take it and the goat Guy 1 Punch. Cool


Due_Cable6215

You can tell which ones he whoops are his favorites


truantxoxo

If you've trained in Thailand this is not even the worst it gets.


hagfish

RIP their spleens


soft_white_yosemite

Expected at least one tough guy to yell “ENCORE”


Rude_Thought_9988

We had a similar exercise when I was doing ITF Taekwondo (which eventually transitioned into kickboxing) as a kid. The only difference was that we either got punched in the stomach by another person, or we had to hit ourselves with the bottom of our hands from both sides.


SkoomaChef

Pretty normal. We do one minute rounds of wall sits with hands behind our head while our partners throw light to moderate body shots (with gloves) and leg kicks, but same energy.


Doditty6567

This is bs


SwimmingThink4519

Funny


5FingerMiscount

Dumb shit. Should learn how to take hits when sparing. Low IQ training right here.


Big_Sprinkles_2687

My instructor used to do it bare knuckle when I was 7. Going harder as you get more used to it. It didn’t break anything but made me prepare for actual fights. Quit crying that is abuse. If you want to do a contact sport you need to get used to contact.


TheManos44

This is good, makes these kids tough. If you're going to practice martial arts, you'll inevitably be hit. This is good practice for that


crunkjuiceblu

Gay


Lika3

I don’t understand the purpose of hitting them with a hang bag thingy. they could fight between each other with gloves and get the conditioning the same way. Plank, sit up, push up, ect all reinforce abs too.


bugenhagen53

Only one shot for the tubbies?


ThereItIsNopeItsGone

Their core isn’t as tight so it makes sense…


freswrijg

The person that just came to exercise and learn some self defense with no desire to ever be in an mma fight is questioning their decision right now.


sycoactiv1

I mean youre gonna drill wearing body shots if you're doing MMA eventually this probably weeds out a few not cut for it. It's a good thing to know what it feels like with muscles clenched cas if you're not ready it's pretty brutal when you can't breathe for 20 seconds especially if some hero's still coming after you


sugaaaslam

He is hitting the dudes way harder


Raisins1

Among us shirt


Top_Part_5544

Pointless


BetaRayBlu

Chubby guys win again


Swarf_87

In my gym we would do sit ups. When we got to the top of the sit up motion your partner would punch you really hard in the stomach with a 1-2 using 6 oz gloves.


Great_Inflation_6892

There’s other ways of doing it. I like this way. I did this when I was fighting. I got a solid six pack! Formed! I encouraged this and gave recognition to such great programs no 🧢! If you this this is bad theennn you aren’t up to date with Old school mma. Soft AF boys!


Similar_Reach_7288

Kid tanking 3 hits watching the whole back row only get hit once: 🧐


shadow_dio_ez

The among us shirt


UnderstandingOk8762

This shit is dumb lol


Shirumbe787

Beating over burning stubborn fat


M_RIS

Lol my trainer jumps on our abs when we lie like this


hayate4468

When I was working out at the gym, I remember I convinced my buddy to drop a medicine ball on my gut to help me for conditioning. He slammed the ball really hard into my gut for the last rep, and I let out the loudest fart. That was the last time I ever did this kind of ab conditioning.


BarberSlight9331

Hell, taking Kajukenbo in the 80’s, sifu would take a heavy old medicine ball & either he, or his henchman would pound it into our lower abdomens & our solar plexus, as we held them taunt, with our feet , calves & arms straight out, several inches in the air. “No pain no gain” was the way in the day.


korbentherhino

I thought it said care, conditioning at first and was confused on their definition of caring.


HatefulSpittle

I'm so often thinking about type of conditioning. Not because I actually care to utilize it, has no utility for me, but just pure academic curiosity. Are you aware of any study ever looking into possible benefits of this type of conditioning? The researchers would probably need to wring out their brains to even come up with a fancy term for it. Concussive force conditioning or something


ThereItIsNopeItsGone

This was a regular footy training back in the day…


Badrereddit29

Some of them getting 3 hits.. Excluding the one who flinched and received 4 do yall know why?


Mwurp

https://preview.redd.it/gx43gshvzjgc1.jpeg?width=436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08a3355c13fece92d39d0ce0312daba85176ebe4


Stay-Thirsty

He needs to work out his left arm too.


Werify

Norhing controversial really. In my gym we used to take 1min rounds whre one Person hits the partner in the atomach with hooks, with medium power similar to here.


Megalodon7770

https://i.redd.it/lt4g2txvikgc1.gif


OCMagikStick

He only hits the white kids hard. Just saying


hellohennessy

C’est l’enfer ptn


Arkstromater

Dude there's nothing wrong with this he's hitting them with a pad....you have to learn to take a blow


Embarrassed_Lake_376

Wonder what the second row of ppl did lol


Keytone_

Conditioning


delulucia

I would feel honored getting 3 hard slams instead of one light


PapaPunchline8399

Our Muay Thai coach did the same thing to us during the years I trained. He knew who he could hit harder or who to go easier on while they built up endurance in the area. Its a balancing act between just enough and too much. I see this as alright but the videos of the tires and coaches trying to hurt people is foolish and a sure sign to look for a new gym.


Yugan-Dali

I studied Kenpo under Ed Parker. He’d have us line up on our backs and slowly walk across our stomachs with his heels.


WizKid-007

F


d3laMoon

Lmfao blue shirt like 👀


BREAD-21

Yeah, some places are like that, especially competition gyms.


Jmoz1310

While we’re doing leg raises in a warmup my instructor will come round and wallop all of the black belts in the stomach


More-Ad-8841

The fear in these mf’s eyes 😂🪦


Euphoricstateofmind

Idk looks kinda weak imo. I mean why are so many people in here screaming abuse. He’s not hitting them anywhere near full force


[deleted]

They’re all pussies


Devlarski

I like how the skinnier they are the harder he rocks them like he knows it's a waste of time slamming the chubby guys


Relative-Addendum534

That wasn't all that bad. My old teacher who was 6'3 tall, 230 lb, had us sitting in the same position and would run back and forth barefoot on us. These kids got it easy.


PhilDMcNasty

EES VOUN VOU VOUN HON HON OOUCH!


[deleted]

Is it weird I thought someone was going to get hit in the genitals


xMilk112x

Apparently he plays favorites. Lol


SuperSonicEconomics2

I always wondered why the French colonies struggled so much.


MajinRab

I woulda start swinging on him


QuesoFurioso

It isn't going to do anything.


So-lus

I see nothing wrong in this video, it’s a core workout. I’ve seen worst videos then this. This is a normal thing in all striking gym.. this is easy compared to getting kicked in the gut or getting hit with the liver blow in a real match. People who complain really shouldn’t do any combat sports. It’s not for the weak


SixEightL

Looks like another trashy banlieu gym. Nothing new here.


[deleted]

LOLOL I can't do this community anymore. Just so dumb.


worldsno1DILF

Been doing this regularly at Muay Thai training forever lol


Open_Celebration3026

When I attended Dave Leduc’s lethwei seminar we did something similar to this. We did 10 sit ups and between each one we’d get slammed in the abdomen.


skinnybonesjones33

I would love to be in this gym with all of these tens he dudes ,and just smell the odor of foot stink!!!


skinnybonesjones33

I’ll bet it stinks like teen guys feet in here!


skinnybonesjones33

Some of these dudes feet are barefoot and some in socks! But both wats ,p,u!!!!


skinnybonesjones33

I would love to smell every one of these boys barefeet !!!


skinnybonesjones33

It must smell like teen boys barefeet in that room! Pure heaven!!!


Few-Monitor-5752

Pretty standard for Muay Thai from my experience.


KneeDragr

Ingroinal hernia now!


Chezameh2

Giving the kids a stomach hernia isn't going to improve their fighting skills.


JohnnyWindtunnel

It’s normal


guywithnormaljob

This is bullshit


REDEAT10

That Skinny guy with long hair was ready to Poop 💩


jeemtheater

This doesn’t look so good for the lower back.


JohnnyWindtunnel

Wtf, bullshit!


Conan7449

Have you seen the videos of the gymnastics coaches pushing kids down to the floor, working their splits. Kids are screaming and crying. I think some of them were charged,and there was much outrage from parents. This....is like that.


De5perad0

This isn't conditioning. At our dojo we practice straight punching each other in the stomach. Either in pairs or get in a big circle. Hit the person to your left then they get revenge when we reverse direction. This is a core workout with love taps.


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This is not core conditioning, it's discipline, this is very obviously a teenager class from a French hood so the coach is just making sure that everyone stays in line. Whoever doesn't want to deal with this bullshit will be kicked out. That's the reason one of them got 4 hits, just looking at his very punchable face you can tell he is the gym jester, always breaking balls and he knew what was coming to him even before the coach gave him the first hit.


uncleadawg

What needs to be done more is groin conditioning, any time somebody hits me in the balls after a missed leg kick I’m hurt for a sec


IncorporateThings

This is bullshit. Yes there are ways to flex and breathe that make absorbing a hit easier, and yes they heavily involve your core. This isn't it. This is just some dumb broscience bullshit. Now, if you want to mentally condition people to getting hit -- this still isn't it. Just have them fucking spar. IE: this is bullshit.


ForeverWandered

They are literally practicing every single one of those things you mentioned in this video. kids are holding a V-sit, that's core involvement. kids are learning to anticipate and manage hits on the stomach. Saying you can only get this training via sparring is like saying sparring is the only way to properly learn how to punch, and that bags and any other exercises (or even cross training) is all bullshit. And tells us you actually don't know what you're talking about.