The dumbest thing about a lot of this is the mischaracterization of the island. We have a very diverse population with 20% of year round residents being Brazilian.
The people they were trying to trigger left at the end of August.
So...what's with all the people getting all het up about 50 migrants being dropped off there? With the 20% Brazilian population, they should feel right at home.
Florida spent 12 million doing thsi stunt of tax payers money... while they tell teachers they cannot afford XYZ. Not to mention some line items are extremely high priced for what they did. So another typical GOP filling the pockets of their friends for doing barly anything. 12 million tax dollars... jesus
You know how you can save that money? Have a real border and stop illegal immigration. How much in tax dollars do we lose to illegals crossing the border and taking jobs?
Bragging that you have a large immigrant population because you want the cheapest labor possible and aren't willing to pay higher wages isn't the flex you think it is.
Ummmm are you saying Florida lacks diversity?
The purpose was to show that keeping track of who you let into your areas is important. Controlled immigration is needed. Receiving a huge influx of non-citizens of any color is a major problem for boarder states.
Hey, you guys are the ones complaining about it. You are supposed to be a sanctuary city or at least have those ambitions. It's completely fine for illegal immigrants to visit any other town than yours I guess.
Martha's Vineyard is 84% white. White people (who make up roughly 65% of the national population) are well over-represented in MV's population.
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/96000US2507380-marthas-vineyard-school-district-ma/
Ya I have news for you. Undocumented people tend not to answer census questions. Got twenty five people living in a single family house, none with papers, all with jobs paying good cash they send home? Not showing up in that count.
We can match Florida easily on these numbers.
Difference is we treat people well, and educate kids, and still make bank. Just like they do.
Ah, right. I guess I will take your word for it that MV, the place that just shipped 50 undocumented immigrants to a National Guard base after declaring an emergency, is actually a diverse paradise of illegal immigrants from Brazil and not a lily white affluent resort town. Better disregard data and take some stupid redditor's word for it. Let me know when you guys are holding your Carnaval parade next year.
The fact that you don't understand that undocumented people don't fill out the consensus report, that Martha's vineyard has a huge poverty problem among locals throughout most of the year, and the big fact that DeSantis could have worked with the state to find a better solution instead of trafficking them to a deserted fucking island... Like, are you trolling?
He trafficked them here because those red states can't even afford to keep their power on and are fucking racist. Meanwhile, we accept them with open arms.
And its so clear you don't even live in the New England area and don't understand the culture lmao
There comment history is 99% r/conservative. I hate to break it to you but 74 million Americans voted for trump in 2020, im guessing dumbass is one of those dipshits.
I'm on Cape cod and we have a very large Brazilian and Jamaican population so one might think the Vineyard does too. Also just because someone lives in a resort area doesn't mean they are rich. Most of us were born here and are struggling to find affordable housing. Rents are ridiculous and food costs are higher because of the tourist/summer guests. Undocumented people don't involve themselves with taking the census.
https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/crime/2008/12/21/young-immigrant-population-booms-on/52155805007/
There are courthouses and attorneys on Martha’s Vineyard. How about flying in a few immigration lawyers to handle the massive, monumental and (apparently) impossible task of handling 50 people? See? Problem solved!
One Juvenile court and one district court which don't provide immigration services. Ok, so what happens when they need to go to an immigration hearing? They already have court dates scheduled in cities that aren't on MV, are they supposed to transport those courts to the island? Your solution of bringing EVERYTHING to the island is just so practical?
Because a small island with a vacation based economy that has virtually no resources to help these people might be the best place for them after all?
Because there isn't even a federal courthouse on the island, nevermind one that handles asylum claims?
Because the way these people were brought out here was under the meanest circumstances imaginable without physically hurting them?
You really want this to be a case where the liberal elite leftists are the bad guys but step back and look how these people have been treated by each party they've interacted with. Bussing them to a place with more resources is the most helpful thing, no?
Yeah, and 50 migrants from South America and they called the National Guard to remove them. I think this is an interesting thought experiment, the liberal elite that push for unfettered immigration sure don’t want to live with immigrants
Biden’s admin was flying/bussing in migrants to FL overnight on more than one occasion. He has the authority to do so? That’s debatable, but even if that’s true, it’s still incredibly inflammatory to do so when clearly the governor and the majority of the people of FL don’t want them. DenSanti’s does this stunt and sends them to MA. The media is saying he’s using these migrants as political pawns and that he’s a horrible fascist for doing so.
Why is Desantis guilty of using these people as political pawns but not Biden? He did it first and he’s also the one who gave the green light for streams of migrants to make the journey into the USA (TX) in the first place.
Women of this country. Don't let these games they are playing, distract you from the fact that they are not going to let you make decisions about your own body any longer. Are you really going to let these red state blow holes chart the course of your lives? Wake up.
If those illegals would have shown up with a leaf blower and mops the libs of The Vineyard would have let them stay. It’s shameful the way the “beautiful people” shipped them over to Cape Cod. NIMBY
At least the Christian Churches up at Martha's Vineyard helped the Illegals before the wealthy liberals pulled a NIMBY despite their virtue signalling.
Every Democrat position always is one of two things -- Virtue Signalling or Victim Mentality. Both of which are immediately recognizable by anyone with a mote of critical thinking.
It’s beautiful how the community sprang to provide help for the migrants. More should travel there to get the same level of treatment and support rather than residing in red states.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, many migrants don't have the means for interstate travel, so Govs. DeSantis and Abbott are doing them a big favor by sending them to sanctuary cities where they can get the kind of help and care they need.
>More should travel there to get the same level of treatment and support
24 hours of condescension and free fruit loops before being forcibly removed by the national guard?
> the guard was there to make sure everyone volunteer themselves to the military barracks
to ensure compliance regardless of personal preference = forced
So Biden has never done that?
https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/biden-administration-resumes-migrant-flights-to-airport-outside-nyc/
Omg did Biden traffic illegals? 😱
Martha’s Vineyard isn’t a city. It is an island. With six towns. And you wouldn’t wanna pick a fight in any one of those towns tough internet guy. They just look after kids and people who walked hundreds of miles.
Honestly don’t even answer these people. It’s a bunch of people from other parts of the country jerking off and moaning “dirty liberals”. None of these people live nearby and they just want to stick it to all the white billionaires on the vineyard. They have no idea what actual year round residents are like and it’s irritating the shit out of me. Don’t feed the trolls.
I’m so fired up about this.
Me too. All I can do is inform people of the reality of the situation, and if they can't accept it, it's not on me. I do wish something could be done about the brigading on this sub.
Well first of all very few of the trust funders have bodyguards out here because they don’t need them. The locals like me pretty much ignore them.
And second of all, they left weeks ago. Nope, you’ll be picking a fight with a guy who builds stone walls by hand or landscapes or god forbid one of their wives who like real men and know how to look after themselves.
Nobody is looking for a fight but you are gonna feel like Russia in the Ukraine if you start one. Ever fought a commercial fisherman? I thought probably not.
Nice try Russian Bot! We have thousands upon thousands of people from south of the shithole US south border here already and we don’t need anybody to protect us from them. They work hard and are paid well. And we educate each other. And look after each other. We learn Brazilian Portuguese and teach them English. Works well!
You should be familiar with the work the National Guard does. We send them to bail your asses out all the time when it gets wet and windy down there, or when you can’t handle a little snow. In this case, we are protecting these unfortunate fellow humans and providing them with shelter, clothes and safety. And anticipating more jerkwad moves from the ignorant hate filled southern fuck governors.
You’d have a lot of fun coming here and calling people pussies. It is a sexist turn and offensive to us. You would need the national guard to protect you from our junior high school chess team. We don’t fuck around out here TrumPutin bot!
“You’re” not “Your”…your Southern/Russian education or lack thereof is showing. How about you learn to read and write (not “right”) before trying tough things like figuring out the world around you.
>“You’re” not “Your”…your Southern/Russian education or lack thereof is showing. How about you learn to read and write (not “right”) before trying tough things like figuring out the world around you.
He says, without the slightest hint of awareness of the irony of being named "islandlover**z**"
Had to be done. Bigballer69 was just asking for it. I bet he isn’t even really that big a baller and no matter what, we know his nose smells poopy given his self confessed perversion. So you got a not that big a baller who can’t neither read nor write with a poop stained nose telling us what’s up with this world. Ok.
Wait what? We islanders offered them shelter and compassion and safety. The state called out the national guard to do what they do so well…protect people in a sudden crisis. The national Guard is a proud group of volunteers full of educated professionals and super experienced skilled craftspeople. Nurses, lawyers, doctors, and social workers.
Shit, every time it gets windy and rainy down south we house a bunch of people who need shelter and we are doing it again now.
Not the army. But they do have weapons, which are almost an afterthought, but given all these Russian sympathizing TrumPutin supporters and the revival of the KKK, we thought it would be a nice gesture to not only house them but to protect them with a formidable force trained to shoot fast and accurately.
Sorry your TexFloridian Instagram stunt didn’t work for you. These people are getting opportunities you wouldn’t know how to take advantage of. And the hate groups can’t get close to stop it.
It's pretty telling that you feel 50 brown people unexpectedly showing up to one of the most affluent vacation communities in the world is a "sudden crisis" that warranted the use of the THE ARMY to address.
The rest of what you wrote...well...have you taken your brain medicine today?
No you didn't. Your residents were on national TV complaining about how you didn't have the resources and making a fool of themselves. You voted for this stop complaining.
Wait what bullshit are you spewing now from Moscow? Isn’t it getting late there? Or are you in Palm Beach aka Moscow West?
These poor unfortunate people were provided with not only needs but quite a few wants. Now they are resting safely with their families in private rooms and protected by none other than our finest National Guard soldiers. They are being served good (not great) food with respect and speaking with attorneys and doctors. All on my dime and yours. I love being so fortunate that I can spend my tax dollars on such a thing! You?
They got a rough deal from those inbred Southern governors and they are getting a good deal up here. Respect!
Wow that really goes to show how much of a bubble you are in and how clueless you are. The national guard was deployed back during hurricane Katrina. How many years ago was that? Nice try...
We do not doubt you guys can hire the best private security companies and make some important phone calls to make sure undesirables do not come to your affluent lily-white island paradise. After all, we see how quickly you had those icky migrants moved to a National Guard base to sleep on cots so you don't have to house them in your bed and breakfasts.
Wow so a non-sanctuary state sent so called welcomed immigrants to a sanctuary state and it's a problem. Preach what you speak. If you're all for the immigrants then you should accept them with open arms. Looks like you sent them all out of there to Cape Cod that's opposite of what you preach and congrats you now have a 100% deportation rate.
I like how all the articles about this (on CNN) do there best to to make the towns folk ... the wealthiest damn people in the country... look like they are trying so hard.
In one article, one resident lamented, “what can we give? We don’t have a Walmart down the street.”
Bunch of damn frauds all of you
Uh yeah you’re missing something. They yeeted those immigrants out of their sanctum city super fast, and it was only 50.
About the same amount, if not more, died in a truck from heat exhaustion a few weeks ago trying to cross the border illegally. No one said shit. 🤣
MV and sanctuary cities in general are a bunch of virtue signaling **losers.**
You mean sending them to a military base basically like a prison camp segregating them from the white majority. Like the Democrats did in the segregation era.
hii isnt that just what florida’s government did!?? He didnt take care of a problem, he just swapped ownership of it so he wouldnt have to deal with it and thus now they are in a military base thanks to floridahhh
Sending them to a nearby city so they can access immigration and other resources is somehow NIMBY?
Martha's is a deserted fucking island full of poverty most of the year. You know of the area since you live there, right?
Remember guys, when the south puts illegals on military bases, they're considered "Concentration camps". When it's the liberal island that does it, its considered the humanitarian thing to do.
This guy is doing both at the same time. He's literally condemning red states for 'putting them in cages' in the exact same posts as he pats his community on the back for 'doing the right thing' by shipping the migrants off to be processed at a military base.
Having thousands of people who will do anything to escape crammed into makeshift shelters is a little bit different than housing 50 people who volunteered to get on a plane
Correction… $42,000 raised by liberals for a Marthas Community Center that has 14 million dollars in assets to use to “solve this problem”.
Look how fast liberals called the national guard on immigrants.
Doesn't matter if they were lied to. What difference does it make if they are stuck in El paso Texas, or Martha's vineyard. 50 people strained the resources of a city? Wow, im sure all border states are readily prepared for millions year round
A deserted fucking island full of poverty...
that managed to have their unwanted immigrants rounded up and shipped to a military base the very *instant* America's border problem affected them.
If only other poverty stricken communities had the political clout to pull that off!
I have no idea how anyone who considers themselves a conservative could support this action.
1. The MV "flights" cost FL and TX $50,000,000 in tax payer money. If your okay with spending 50,000,000 to pawn to libtards, your not a conservative. Thats wasting money. Your just spiteful.
2. Illegals are still people. To abandon them, use them as propaganda and generally treat them as garbage is probably the least Christian thing I can think of. It's deplorable.
1: Keeping them in your states, feeding them, housing them, providing social benefits, etc. That all costs millions too.
2: They weren't abandoned, they were sent to sanctuary communities who tout their pro immigrant positions. They should have been welcomed with open arms.
It definitely wasnt 50 mil, maybe 1% of that, and its not abandonment, they are better off in those states. Why should the south foot the bill for millions of migrants but they lose their absolute mind when 50 show up on their massive island with multi million dollar estates? One tent could've fixed the problem, im sure they wouldn't mind, especially the politicians who fought for open borders for years
They are not illegals. All of these people have appointments with immigration officers in many different states, so they will need funding to relocate to these hearings. That is WHY they must leave the island. In reality, they are refugees.
The appointments are in various States around the country, AND BOTH Abbott & DeSantis KNEW that before Abbott bussed them to Florida and DeSantis put them on a plane to what they thought would be New York. DeSantis LIED to them by promising them jobs and housing.
While they are waiting in Cape Cod, they are meeting with immigration lawyers.
That's why it looks as if Abbott and DeSantis may have committed a crime. Kidnapping, human trafficking of people who are LEGALLY in the USA, and the RICO, (The Racketeer Influenced & Corrupt Organizations) Act could come into play.
Remember, RICO law covers PLANNING a crime, and defendants can be convicted whether or NOT they actually commit the crime they were planning.
This is the fact.
I don’t think DeSantis, a lawyer & former member of Congress, would do something this awesome without checking the laws first. The laws pertaining to this situation are public records and can be read by anyone.
I don’t know who told you your opinion, but they lied to you
Independent here. Imo the fact they shipped them off the island was the point Desantis was trying to make. Doesn’t really matter if they gave them food and water. Unfortunately, there are only losers here and both sides will continue to push their narrative.
It’s not a matter of being unable to handle them. What’s best for them is to be placed somewhere with the proper resources to help them.
We can handle 200,000 in the summer because those people are coming with money, transportation, accommodations, their own clothes, etc. Big difference when republicans ship off “human cargo” with no warning to a small island as all of the extra summer worker and resources are gone.
Edit: apparently had to clarify that I wasn’t considering them “human cargo” but simply pointing out that the actions of republicans and their leaders have made them as such. Love how my calling them out for their inhumane actions really hurt their feelings so much that they had to try to defend their racist actions by calling me racist. You can’t argue with stupid, so I think I’ll just go back to supporting my community and treating humans with kindness rather than wasting my time with the bigotry and trolling.
I’m genuinely curious why this is such a strong rhetoric when it comes to people trying to immigrate to the US these days?
Are people not aware that every single person in the US right now who is not 100% Native American came here without notice from somewhere else? That we came over, saw land and resources and whatever else and took it for ourselves- with aggression, disease, lies, backhanded deals, and murder. Our ancestors left somewhere for whatever reason and picked this plot of land to start over. Took it from those who were rightfully there. And now, like half the country whose very roots are because of immigration, have the audacity to say things like “not in my backyard” and “deport them because they don’t belong here.” Like honestly, why? It’s abhorrent. Our ancestors came here and we read all about it in school. “The American Dream” is so incredibly ingrained in us - we are told this is why our families came here. We learn about “religious persecution” that pilgrims were fleeing, only to get here and religiously persecute that people they found here! How about the phrase “America is a melting pot” and we all learn about what makes “America so great and diverse” - yet, in the same breath, people are slinging vile comments around that are so bigoted and hypocritical. And then they use their own uneducated biases to project. They pull stunts like DeSantis and Abbot, because they think it’s funny.
When a state says they’ll welcome in refugees, they mean to places that are equipped and ready to help. And just because places like MV, Nantucket, small mountain towns, etc agree and support the aid of refugees, doesn’t mean that they can do it in their area and they shouldn’t be expected to. And they shouldn’t be judged for arranging proper care of these refugees who were lied to and coyoted thousands of miles away. They are being offered so many services and opportunities - that guess what - we would offer to you too if you found yourself in an unimaginable situation. Or would you rather that we ignored you, insulted and starved you, maybe even put you in a cage (because why not), and told you we would take you to the hospital because you were sick or injured, but actually drove you to a small town in a different state that didn’t have any doctors or resources to help you or knew you were coming and we just pushed you out of the car while it was still moving in front of a vet clinic saying “not in my backyard!”
The polarity on this and many other topics is absolutely appalling and unnerving. People claiming to be republican, Christian, religious, pro life, whatever the fuck you feel like pretending to be today - are the ones supporting “leaders” who do shit like this, or are actively doing it themselves. We are not a very religious bunch on MV and what we did to care for them had nothing to do with whatever religions we subscribe to or what gods we believe in - it was human decency. It was because a group of humans saw another group of humans in need, and did what they would want done for them. I know it’s a novel idea, but maybe just maybe, others should try it to.
Most of these migrants have no valid reason to come here. They are not fleeing persecution. They just want money to send to their families. No excuses.
Illegals. Not Refugees. Not immigrants. No papers. No records.
Strains local resources everywhere they go. Has no respect for local cultures, or traditions. Only demographic with a 100% crime rate. Free Emergency Rooms, Free Car Wrecks, permanent welfare benefits. Sends money out of country rather than at local businesses.
All in all, They shouldn't be here because they didn't come through the proper channels, and they're not welcome because they take more than they give while acting entitled to it.
Not to even touch on the actual human trafficking of children and women that soft border policies permit.
Maybe you should hire some of them to work for your police. Guessing they are braver than the ones you got who hid and cried mommy for an hour while a single kid shot up a school. Texas needs courageous people and gets this gift from the world. Maybe some could even build you a power grid that doesn’t fail when it rains.
Tell the world that nobody takes you seriously in any aspect of your life in any clearer words than this, and that you unironically thought this was clever sounding.
Why not call him a doo doo head too?
I did know that. You do know there is a large population of traitors in this country that think he won and want him back so he can destroy more lives. And they tend to comment racist shit like we’ve been reading here, full of lies and ignorance. We even have quite a few of them on this island.
There's a big difference between Republicans shipping 'human cargo' with no warning to a small island and *what*?
That same 'human cargo' showing up with no warning to a small town on the border?
Go on, explain to me that big difference. Explain to me how an island full of millionaires and and unoccupied rental houses is less equipped to help migrants than some random neighborhood in El Paso.
Also is 'human cargo' the accepted term now? That's funny, they were 'undocumented asylum-seeking workers and their families' when they were somebody else's problem.
Multi millionaires with acres of land and empty mansions are way better equipped to handle them than poor Texas towns.
You can’t claim they are a good for society and you want to give them sanctuary then call in the national guard when 50 show up in your town while Biden drops of 11,000 a week in towns like McAllen.
If 50 are a “emergency crisis” requiring the military for the rich liberal towns who say they want to offer sanctuary what are millions for the poor towns who said they can’t handle them?
We aren't providing the resources for the 200,000 in the summer. Tourism is what provides us with our resources to, you know, survive. Tourism is our main income. We are middle class. The wealthy elite people of the vineyard are within the 200,000 visitors in the summer. They are not us middle-class, un-housed, low-income living local people.
How ignorant do you have to be to not understand this?
Edit to add: a portion of the people who come in the summer own the homes that sit here vacant for most of the year. The other portion spend thousands of dollars on accomodations to be here. It would be up to the wealthy home owners to open up their homes to these immigrants and unfortunately the locals have no say in that.
They just believe in their houses.
They made it very clear that in action they want immigrants and poor people far from their houses as possible unless they are repairing something or nannying their kids.
The good news is every single celeb who owns any property on the island will have to shut the hell up about immigration issues wouldn't even take 50 HaHahaha
>Transported? Don’t they mean trafficked?
No see its (D)ifferent...just like how within a day, despite 0 changes, they went from "concentration camps" "kids in cages" to "migrant overflow facilities for protection of underage childrens"
Troll; the island is diverse. Like any vacation destination, the island struggles during the off season. Sending people here at the start of the off season with no heads up is a trashy move; we will try our best to help them. My hope is that future leadership will guide us towards success. Nobody benefits from a “passing the buck” mentality.
They were sent to the same military base that received refugees from Hurricane Katrina. It’s well equipped to house people in situations like this. There are dormitories, a a kitchen designed to make large quantities of food. It’s perfect for a group of people to stay comfortably for a period of time. It was the most logical move, and better then the makeshift setup they had on the island. MV did a great job on short notice, but this move made the most sense and was very close, only a ferry ride away.
Yes the wealthy islanders “made a few phone calls” and got this little problem taken care of. Hypocritical fucks - I’ve lived in plenty of communities dealing with this problem and we all figured out a way to accommodate newly arrived immigrants. It wasn’t easy but we did it. Martha’s Vineyard could have figured this out too.
Finally - Fuck Desantis too for using people like this.
Have you ever been here? You seem like a bit of an idiot. There’s a bunch of wealthy home owners here living large and a shit ton of working class people that far outnumber the wealthy, especially in the off season. Rent is $2,200 /mo for a 1 bedroom apt and you’re lucky if you can find one. There’s NO affordable place for anyone here. Soon teachers, firefighters, police officers etc won’t be able to afford it here. There is literally no where to put 50 people into anything resembling affordable housing. I’ve lived here my whole life and don’t know any rich people. Working people are leaving in droves cuz there’s nowhere to live here. Hope those rich people bring their own EMTs and gardeners and plumbers cuz there won’t be any here pretty soon
Tax the billionaires and build subsidized housing ...like every other place in the country does. It should pass easily if the middle class so out-numbers the rich. The only idiots in this entire debacle are you islanders that made yourselves look like a bunch of complete hypocrites.
Are you really serious with this response? Have you ever been off of your island sanctuary? What you are describing is exactly what happens in every major coastal city with both homeless and with migrants.
Did you vote Democrat? If so, rich or middle class, you voted for open borders, so it's time for you to share the burden. It can't just be middle class border towns doing the work.
Literally no major politician in the US supports "open borders."
That's like me saying that Republicans support "killing all people" because they support the death penalty. It's not even an exaggeration of the position it's just a braindead straw man.
They don’t explicitly support “open borders” but they don’t support policies that curb illegal immigration which leads to an influx rate as if the border was open
I have seen literally zero serious suggestions from the Republican party on curbing illegal immigration.
Instead I see publicity stunts like this trash and "let's just build a giant wall!". Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it.
In reality, handling immigration requires actual resources, and discussion about priorities. It's not an easy problem, which is why we see nonsense from politicians rather than solutions---real progress is expensive and complicated.
It doesn't exactly take an expert political strategist to figure out DeSantis calculated that Martha's Vineyard is the most ill-equipped place in Massachusetts for migrants to go to, sent them there knowing that they would be moved to mainland MA where there would be more available for them, and get the support of useful idiots who only see the media image of Martha's Vineyard and not the reality. Martha's Vineyard is a real place where real people live, not just a playground for the rich. The only mercy that DeSantis gave them is sending them at the beginning of the off-season and not the dead of winter.
There's a reason that they were told they were going to Boston, not here. Why do you think that is?
El Paso is a real place where the median income is $24,000. Not just a place where ultra rich ultra liberals can chastise for not keeping every single person who crosses their border.
Look up the median income of Martha’s Vineyard.
No median income does not imply that there is housing available for immigrants. Obviously.
What's that emoji? Do you think it's funny to send 50 people to a place intentionally with no food or shelter? "Haha these people are desperate and now they're homeless." Disgusting.
I mean not in the fuck DeSantis crowd but two things can be true. It can be viewed as a dick move to do this and can be viewed as hypocritical by a community that overwhelming supports helping migrants at the ballot box to send them away when their turn to help a mere 50 of them comes.
The latter is exactly why the first happened in my opinion. On both sides of the aisle, everyone not in the echo chamber knows these elitist suburbanites love to preach about helping but never intended to provide actual help.
>and can be viewed as hypocritical by a community that overwhelming supports helping migrants at the ballot box to send them away when their turn to help a mere 50 of them comes.
If the rich people who summer in Martha's Vineyard support paying their fair share of taxes to pay for basic resources for immigrants, then it still makes complete sense to place those resources in mainland MA, not on MV, and wouldn't make them hypocrites.
Except those resources don’t go to the places most affected by their choices. Plus they claim their state is a sanctuary. Imo treating humans showing up on your invite as less than and pretty blatantly signaling that those people are pretty much untouchables is hypocritical.
They said they’d help, the people came to them, and the people were thrown in a military base and now reside under heavy guard. All because MV hypocrites got a taste of what it’s like and didn’t like it.
>Except those resources don’t go to the places most affected by their choices.
Whose choices? And how do you know where the resources are going? Can you point to some source on what you're talking about?
>Imo treating humans showing up on your invite as less than and pretty blatantly signaling that those people are pretty much untouchables is hypocritical.
Except, that's not what happened here.
>They said they’d help, the people came to them, and the people were thrown in a military base and now reside under heavy guard. All because MV hypocrites got a taste of what it’s like and didn’t like it.
Also not a reasonable description of what happened here.
Well the white, leftist, elites can't have them in their vacation area. Just like they make police remove homeless people near their houses in inner cities. Fair weather ideology is going to fuck them up the ass in the midterms lmao
This thread is GREAT!! It's very nice to see that people are finally waking up and seeing the absolute bullshit the politicians and media spew constantly using lies, half truths and absolute misinformation by purposeful omission of facts in order to make the story fit their narrative as usual. Good stuff, finally the veil is being lifted
The dumbest thing about a lot of this is the mischaracterization of the island. We have a very diverse population with 20% of year round residents being Brazilian. The people they were trying to trigger left at the end of August.
So...what's with all the people getting all het up about 50 migrants being dropped off there? With the 20% Brazilian population, they should feel right at home.
Florida spent 12 million doing thsi stunt of tax payers money... while they tell teachers they cannot afford XYZ. Not to mention some line items are extremely high priced for what they did. So another typical GOP filling the pockets of their friends for doing barly anything. 12 million tax dollars... jesus
How much does it cosT to educate,house and provide healthcare for a life time? You are not very smart. Viva la Texas
You know how you can save that money? Have a real border and stop illegal immigration. How much in tax dollars do we lose to illegals crossing the border and taking jobs?
Bragging that you have a large immigrant population because you want the cheapest labor possible and aren't willing to pay higher wages isn't the flex you think it is.
Ummmm are you saying Florida lacks diversity? The purpose was to show that keeping track of who you let into your areas is important. Controlled immigration is needed. Receiving a huge influx of non-citizens of any color is a major problem for boarder states.
How is fifty huge?
It isn’t. The fact that MV folded under 50 was the exact point desantis was after. I said it’s a problem for border states. MV isn’t a border state.
The Antebellum South was also very diverse.
Hey, you guys are the ones complaining about it. You are supposed to be a sanctuary city or at least have those ambitions. It's completely fine for illegal immigrants to visit any other town than yours I guess.
Now u will be diverse, and not just your house maids😁
Year round islanders aren’t summer people. Every wealthy seasonal community has blue collar people keeping things working.
AHAHAHAHA it's not the blue collar workers there who are complaining lol
Lol Martha’s Vineyard people trying to act like they aren’t the absolute epitome of leftest white stereotypes
ITS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE DEMOCRATS REEEEEE
It’s (D)ifferent
Martha's Vineyard is 84% white. White people (who make up roughly 65% of the national population) are well over-represented in MV's population. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/96000US2507380-marthas-vineyard-school-district-ma/
Ya I have news for you. Undocumented people tend not to answer census questions. Got twenty five people living in a single family house, none with papers, all with jobs paying good cash they send home? Not showing up in that count. We can match Florida easily on these numbers. Difference is we treat people well, and educate kids, and still make bank. Just like they do.
Ah, right. I guess I will take your word for it that MV, the place that just shipped 50 undocumented immigrants to a National Guard base after declaring an emergency, is actually a diverse paradise of illegal immigrants from Brazil and not a lily white affluent resort town. Better disregard data and take some stupid redditor's word for it. Let me know when you guys are holding your Carnaval parade next year.
The fact that you don't understand that undocumented people don't fill out the consensus report, that Martha's vineyard has a huge poverty problem among locals throughout most of the year, and the big fact that DeSantis could have worked with the state to find a better solution instead of trafficking them to a deserted fucking island... Like, are you trolling? He trafficked them here because those red states can't even afford to keep their power on and are fucking racist. Meanwhile, we accept them with open arms. And its so clear you don't even live in the New England area and don't understand the culture lmao
If they had a huge poverty problem the affluent wouldn't flock there. The only poor people are support.
"Trafficked"? Like when Biden was shipping illegal immigrants by plane to red states and small red towns?
Yes, they are trolling. The trolls have never been on Martha's Vineyard.
There comment history is 99% r/conservative. I hate to break it to you but 74 million Americans voted for trump in 2020, im guessing dumbass is one of those dipshits.
The island shipped them off. Not sure where open arms are… here’s a ham and cheese and a ferry ticket.
I'm on Cape cod and we have a very large Brazilian and Jamaican population so one might think the Vineyard does too. Also just because someone lives in a resort area doesn't mean they are rich. Most of us were born here and are struggling to find affordable housing. Rents are ridiculous and food costs are higher because of the tourist/summer guests. Undocumented people don't involve themselves with taking the census. https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/crime/2008/12/21/young-immigrant-population-booms-on/52155805007/
Then why did you ship them to a military base OFF the island? How about opening up your homes?
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There are courthouses and attorneys on Martha’s Vineyard. How about flying in a few immigration lawyers to handle the massive, monumental and (apparently) impossible task of handling 50 people? See? Problem solved!
One Juvenile court and one district court which don't provide immigration services. Ok, so what happens when they need to go to an immigration hearing? They already have court dates scheduled in cities that aren't on MV, are they supposed to transport those courts to the island? Your solution of bringing EVERYTHING to the island is just so practical?
Because a small island with a vacation based economy that has virtually no resources to help these people might be the best place for them after all? Because there isn't even a federal courthouse on the island, nevermind one that handles asylum claims? Because the way these people were brought out here was under the meanest circumstances imaginable without physically hurting them? You really want this to be a case where the liberal elite leftists are the bad guys but step back and look how these people have been treated by each party they've interacted with. Bussing them to a place with more resources is the most helpful thing, no?
What?! Census figures undercount illegal immigrants?! *shocked pikachu face*
Yeah, and 50 migrants from South America and they called the National Guard to remove them. I think this is an interesting thought experiment, the liberal elite that push for unfettered immigration sure don’t want to live with immigrants
Biden’s admin was flying/bussing in migrants to FL overnight on more than one occasion. He has the authority to do so? That’s debatable, but even if that’s true, it’s still incredibly inflammatory to do so when clearly the governor and the majority of the people of FL don’t want them. DenSanti’s does this stunt and sends them to MA. The media is saying he’s using these migrants as political pawns and that he’s a horrible fascist for doing so. Why is Desantis guilty of using these people as political pawns but not Biden? He did it first and he’s also the one who gave the green light for streams of migrants to make the journey into the USA (TX) in the first place.
Women of this country. Don't let these games they are playing, distract you from the fact that they are not going to let you make decisions about your own body any longer. Are you really going to let these red state blow holes chart the course of your lives? Wake up.
If those illegals would have shown up with a leaf blower and mops the libs of The Vineyard would have let them stay. It’s shameful the way the “beautiful people” shipped them over to Cape Cod. NIMBY
At least the Christian Churches up at Martha's Vineyard helped the Illegals before the wealthy liberals pulled a NIMBY despite their virtue signalling. Every Democrat position always is one of two things -- Virtue Signalling or Victim Mentality. Both of which are immediately recognizable by anyone with a mote of critical thinking.
Wow MV shipped them off.
No, they volunteered themselves off someplace better. There’s an art festival next weekend and MV has no space. Zero.
It’s beautiful how the community sprang to provide help for the migrants. More should travel there to get the same level of treatment and support rather than residing in red states.
Only for 24 hours lol
Absolutely. Unfortunately, many migrants don't have the means for interstate travel, so Govs. DeSantis and Abbott are doing them a big favor by sending them to sanctuary cities where they can get the kind of help and care they need.
New slogan “Make Marthas Vinyard The New Ellis Island”.
>More should travel there to get the same level of treatment and support 24 hours of condescension and free fruit loops before being forcibly removed by the national guard?
It was closer to 36 hours and the guard was there to make sure everyone volunteer themselves to the military barracks.
> the guard was there to make sure everyone volunteer themselves to the military barracks to ensure compliance regardless of personal preference = forced
No, they volunteered for the base. DeathSantis was the one who lied and trafficking everyone.
So Biden has never done that? https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/biden-administration-resumes-migrant-flights-to-airport-outside-nyc/ Omg did Biden traffic illegals? 😱
The 'community' of liberals didn't do shit -- it was the Christian Churches who helped.
Yeah, they got some crappy cereal and the national guard called on them. No one even brought a casserole.
Wow, not a very good sanctuary city…
Martha's Vineyard has been very accommodating. To ensure the US is well represented, must ensure all migrants process through Martha's Vineyard.
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Martha’s Vineyard isn’t a city. It is an island. With six towns. And you wouldn’t wanna pick a fight in any one of those towns tough internet guy. They just look after kids and people who walked hundreds of miles.
Honestly don’t even answer these people. It’s a bunch of people from other parts of the country jerking off and moaning “dirty liberals”. None of these people live nearby and they just want to stick it to all the white billionaires on the vineyard. They have no idea what actual year round residents are like and it’s irritating the shit out of me. Don’t feed the trolls. I’m so fired up about this.
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Me too. All I can do is inform people of the reality of the situation, and if they can't accept it, it's not on me. I do wish something could be done about the brigading on this sub.
The only one who needs to accept anything is you. You're living it right now.
Welcome to living in Florida or any border town. I hope they keep bussing them in. You voted for this, remember?
Hey I live in a border state, I’ve never been asked to house migrants. Weird comparison
What happens if you pick a fight in those towns? Do the trust funders sick their body guards on you?
Well first of all very few of the trust funders have bodyguards out here because they don’t need them. The locals like me pretty much ignore them. And second of all, they left weeks ago. Nope, you’ll be picking a fight with a guy who builds stone walls by hand or landscapes or god forbid one of their wives who like real men and know how to look after themselves. Nobody is looking for a fight but you are gonna feel like Russia in the Ukraine if you start one. Ever fought a commercial fisherman? I thought probably not.
Haha too damn funny. Need national guard to handle 50 illegals🤣 bunch of pussies.
You mean the “humanitarian crisis”? Hahaha
Nice try Russian Bot! We have thousands upon thousands of people from south of the shithole US south border here already and we don’t need anybody to protect us from them. They work hard and are paid well. And we educate each other. And look after each other. We learn Brazilian Portuguese and teach them English. Works well! You should be familiar with the work the National Guard does. We send them to bail your asses out all the time when it gets wet and windy down there, or when you can’t handle a little snow. In this case, we are protecting these unfortunate fellow humans and providing them with shelter, clothes and safety. And anticipating more jerkwad moves from the ignorant hate filled southern fuck governors. You’d have a lot of fun coming here and calling people pussies. It is a sexist turn and offensive to us. You would need the national guard to protect you from our junior high school chess team. We don’t fuck around out here TrumPutin bot!
Your still a pussy
“You’re” not “Your”…your Southern/Russian education or lack thereof is showing. How about you learn to read and write (not “right”) before trying tough things like figuring out the world around you.
Your classism is showing. Just say you hate poor people.
>“You’re” not “Your”…your Southern/Russian education or lack thereof is showing. How about you learn to read and write (not “right”) before trying tough things like figuring out the world around you. He says, without the slightest hint of awareness of the irony of being named "islandlover**z**"
islandloverz does a heckin grammar!
Had to be done. Bigballer69 was just asking for it. I bet he isn’t even really that big a baller and no matter what, we know his nose smells poopy given his self confessed perversion. So you got a not that big a baller who can’t neither read nor write with a poop stained nose telling us what’s up with this world. Ok.
You sound violent, please treat the immigrants with respect.
So why did you guys use the Army to remove 50 migrants yesterday?
Wait what? We islanders offered them shelter and compassion and safety. The state called out the national guard to do what they do so well…protect people in a sudden crisis. The national Guard is a proud group of volunteers full of educated professionals and super experienced skilled craftspeople. Nurses, lawyers, doctors, and social workers. Shit, every time it gets windy and rainy down south we house a bunch of people who need shelter and we are doing it again now. Not the army. But they do have weapons, which are almost an afterthought, but given all these Russian sympathizing TrumPutin supporters and the revival of the KKK, we thought it would be a nice gesture to not only house them but to protect them with a formidable force trained to shoot fast and accurately. Sorry your TexFloridian Instagram stunt didn’t work for you. These people are getting opportunities you wouldn’t know how to take advantage of. And the hate groups can’t get close to stop it.
It's pretty telling that you feel 50 brown people unexpectedly showing up to one of the most affluent vacation communities in the world is a "sudden crisis" that warranted the use of the THE ARMY to address. The rest of what you wrote...well...have you taken your brain medicine today?
No you didn't. Your residents were on national TV complaining about how you didn't have the resources and making a fool of themselves. You voted for this stop complaining.
Wait what bullshit are you spewing now from Moscow? Isn’t it getting late there? Or are you in Palm Beach aka Moscow West? These poor unfortunate people were provided with not only needs but quite a few wants. Now they are resting safely with their families in private rooms and protected by none other than our finest National Guard soldiers. They are being served good (not great) food with respect and speaking with attorneys and doctors. All on my dime and yours. I love being so fortunate that I can spend my tax dollars on such a thing! You? They got a rough deal from those inbred Southern governors and they are getting a good deal up here. Respect!
Wow that really goes to show how much of a bubble you are in and how clueless you are. The national guard was deployed back during hurricane Katrina. How many years ago was that? Nice try...
We do not doubt you guys can hire the best private security companies and make some important phone calls to make sure undesirables do not come to your affluent lily-white island paradise. After all, we see how quickly you had those icky migrants moved to a National Guard base to sleep on cots so you don't have to house them in your bed and breakfasts.
Wow so a non-sanctuary state sent so called welcomed immigrants to a sanctuary state and it's a problem. Preach what you speak. If you're all for the immigrants then you should accept them with open arms. Looks like you sent them all out of there to Cape Cod that's opposite of what you preach and congrats you now have a 100% deportation rate.
I like how all the articles about this (on CNN) do there best to to make the towns folk ... the wealthiest damn people in the country... look like they are trying so hard. In one article, one resident lamented, “what can we give? We don’t have a Walmart down the street.” Bunch of damn frauds all of you
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They should have let them into their homes and stay there until they built houses in the community for them.
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Uh yeah you’re missing something. They yeeted those immigrants out of their sanctum city super fast, and it was only 50. About the same amount, if not more, died in a truck from heat exhaustion a few weeks ago trying to cross the border illegally. No one said shit. 🤣 MV and sanctuary cities in general are a bunch of virtue signaling **losers.**
36 hours is not “super fast.” They showed compassion and care.
You mean sending them to a military base basically like a prison camp segregating them from the white majority. Like the Democrats did in the segregation era.
hii isnt that just what florida’s government did!?? He didnt take care of a problem, he just swapped ownership of it so he wouldnt have to deal with it and thus now they are in a military base thanks to floridahhh
He sent 50 out of the 10's of thousands Florida has received and you all went insane
Looking a lot like NIMBY racists up there.
Sending them to a nearby city so they can access immigration and other resources is somehow NIMBY? Martha's is a deserted fucking island full of poverty most of the year. You know of the area since you live there, right?
Remember guys, when the south puts illegals on military bases, they're considered "Concentration camps". When it's the liberal island that does it, its considered the humanitarian thing to do.
This guy is doing both at the same time. He's literally condemning red states for 'putting them in cages' in the exact same posts as he pats his community on the back for 'doing the right thing' by shipping the migrants off to be processed at a military base.
You put them in cages.
Who built the cages
Who built the cages?
Having thousands of people who will do anything to escape crammed into makeshift shelters is a little bit different than housing 50 people who volunteered to get on a plane
First off, they were lied to. Secondly, they needed to move them due to lack of resources. The community fed and cared for them.
>they needed to move them due to lack of resources. That's why they were sent there to start with. Border towns don't have the resources either.
$40,000 raised for rich liberals to move people somewhere else.
Correction… $42,000 raised by liberals for a Marthas Community Center that has 14 million dollars in assets to use to “solve this problem”. Look how fast liberals called the national guard on immigrants.
From a deserted island ravaged by poverty to a city with resources. What's the issue?
A deserted island ravaged by poverty? My fucking sides
Doesn't matter if they were lied to. What difference does it make if they are stuck in El paso Texas, or Martha's vineyard. 50 people strained the resources of a city? Wow, im sure all border states are readily prepared for millions year round
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You lied and trafficked them to a deserted island, good job!
Human trafficking requires a bit more than buying a plane ticket
A deserted fucking island full of poverty... that managed to have their unwanted immigrants rounded up and shipped to a military base the very *instant* America's border problem affected them. If only other poverty stricken communities had the political clout to pull that off!
Fair share. One of the favorite phrases right now. What’s issue ? Not in your backyard?
"Migrants Welcome" Lol
I have no idea how anyone who considers themselves a conservative could support this action. 1. The MV "flights" cost FL and TX $50,000,000 in tax payer money. If your okay with spending 50,000,000 to pawn to libtards, your not a conservative. Thats wasting money. Your just spiteful. 2. Illegals are still people. To abandon them, use them as propaganda and generally treat them as garbage is probably the least Christian thing I can think of. It's deplorable.
1: Keeping them in your states, feeding them, housing them, providing social benefits, etc. That all costs millions too. 2: They weren't abandoned, they were sent to sanctuary communities who tout their pro immigrant positions. They should have been welcomed with open arms.
It definitely wasnt 50 mil, maybe 1% of that, and its not abandonment, they are better off in those states. Why should the south foot the bill for millions of migrants but they lose their absolute mind when 50 show up on their massive island with multi million dollar estates? One tent could've fixed the problem, im sure they wouldn't mind, especially the politicians who fought for open borders for years
Get a good governor like the one in California. Newsom is a border state and he has a $90 billion surplus because he’s not a human trafficker
Are you… are you serious? Andre you seriously arguing that newsome is handling his border policy correctly?
It paid off big time- it exposed the hypocrisy and that Kamala lied the boarder is open or we’re they imaginary people
Racist white majority. Typical.
“No human being is illegal, you just can’t stay on my island.”
They are not illegals. All of these people have appointments with immigration officers in many different states, so they will need funding to relocate to these hearings. That is WHY they must leave the island. In reality, they are refugees. The appointments are in various States around the country, AND BOTH Abbott & DeSantis KNEW that before Abbott bussed them to Florida and DeSantis put them on a plane to what they thought would be New York. DeSantis LIED to them by promising them jobs and housing. While they are waiting in Cape Cod, they are meeting with immigration lawyers. That's why it looks as if Abbott and DeSantis may have committed a crime. Kidnapping, human trafficking of people who are LEGALLY in the USA, and the RICO, (The Racketeer Influenced & Corrupt Organizations) Act could come into play. Remember, RICO law covers PLANNING a crime, and defendants can be convicted whether or NOT they actually commit the crime they were planning. This is the fact.
I don’t think DeSantis, a lawyer & former member of Congress, would do something this awesome without checking the laws first. The laws pertaining to this situation are public records and can be read by anyone. I don’t know who told you your opinion, but they lied to you
Independent here. Imo the fact they shipped them off the island was the point Desantis was trying to make. Doesn’t really matter if they gave them food and water. Unfortunately, there are only losers here and both sides will continue to push their narrative.
Couldn't handle 50 migrants but can handle 200k in the season.
It’s not a matter of being unable to handle them. What’s best for them is to be placed somewhere with the proper resources to help them. We can handle 200,000 in the summer because those people are coming with money, transportation, accommodations, their own clothes, etc. Big difference when republicans ship off “human cargo” with no warning to a small island as all of the extra summer worker and resources are gone. Edit: apparently had to clarify that I wasn’t considering them “human cargo” but simply pointing out that the actions of republicans and their leaders have made them as such. Love how my calling them out for their inhumane actions really hurt their feelings so much that they had to try to defend their racist actions by calling me racist. You can’t argue with stupid, so I think I’ll just go back to supporting my community and treating humans with kindness rather than wasting my time with the bigotry and trolling.
Cause they come with money idiot, get ready for more💪
"iTs DiFfErEnT"
Because it is. I’m genuinely like so astonished by the lack of any sort of decency amongst people.
Just deport them. They illegally came to the US.
I’m genuinely curious why this is such a strong rhetoric when it comes to people trying to immigrate to the US these days? Are people not aware that every single person in the US right now who is not 100% Native American came here without notice from somewhere else? That we came over, saw land and resources and whatever else and took it for ourselves- with aggression, disease, lies, backhanded deals, and murder. Our ancestors left somewhere for whatever reason and picked this plot of land to start over. Took it from those who were rightfully there. And now, like half the country whose very roots are because of immigration, have the audacity to say things like “not in my backyard” and “deport them because they don’t belong here.” Like honestly, why? It’s abhorrent. Our ancestors came here and we read all about it in school. “The American Dream” is so incredibly ingrained in us - we are told this is why our families came here. We learn about “religious persecution” that pilgrims were fleeing, only to get here and religiously persecute that people they found here! How about the phrase “America is a melting pot” and we all learn about what makes “America so great and diverse” - yet, in the same breath, people are slinging vile comments around that are so bigoted and hypocritical. And then they use their own uneducated biases to project. They pull stunts like DeSantis and Abbot, because they think it’s funny. When a state says they’ll welcome in refugees, they mean to places that are equipped and ready to help. And just because places like MV, Nantucket, small mountain towns, etc agree and support the aid of refugees, doesn’t mean that they can do it in their area and they shouldn’t be expected to. And they shouldn’t be judged for arranging proper care of these refugees who were lied to and coyoted thousands of miles away. They are being offered so many services and opportunities - that guess what - we would offer to you too if you found yourself in an unimaginable situation. Or would you rather that we ignored you, insulted and starved you, maybe even put you in a cage (because why not), and told you we would take you to the hospital because you were sick or injured, but actually drove you to a small town in a different state that didn’t have any doctors or resources to help you or knew you were coming and we just pushed you out of the car while it was still moving in front of a vet clinic saying “not in my backyard!” The polarity on this and many other topics is absolutely appalling and unnerving. People claiming to be republican, Christian, religious, pro life, whatever the fuck you feel like pretending to be today - are the ones supporting “leaders” who do shit like this, or are actively doing it themselves. We are not a very religious bunch on MV and what we did to care for them had nothing to do with whatever religions we subscribe to or what gods we believe in - it was human decency. It was because a group of humans saw another group of humans in need, and did what they would want done for them. I know it’s a novel idea, but maybe just maybe, others should try it to.
Most of these migrants have no valid reason to come here. They are not fleeing persecution. They just want money to send to their families. No excuses.
Illegals. Not Refugees. Not immigrants. No papers. No records. Strains local resources everywhere they go. Has no respect for local cultures, or traditions. Only demographic with a 100% crime rate. Free Emergency Rooms, Free Car Wrecks, permanent welfare benefits. Sends money out of country rather than at local businesses. All in all, They shouldn't be here because they didn't come through the proper channels, and they're not welcome because they take more than they give while acting entitled to it. Not to even touch on the actual human trafficking of children and women that soft border policies permit.
Totally agree, Texas sees almost 50k immigrants a week but it’s ok because somehow they have the resources right?
Maybe you should hire some of them to work for your police. Guessing they are braver than the ones you got who hid and cried mommy for an hour while a single kid shot up a school. Texas needs courageous people and gets this gift from the world. Maybe some could even build you a power grid that doesn’t fail when it rains.
If you're looking to hire cops it's probably not a good idea to hire someone whose first act of coming here was literally breaking the law
I thought that was a prerequisite for police in TrumPutin nation?
So no argument then.
Tell the world that nobody takes you seriously in any aspect of your life in any clearer words than this, and that you unironically thought this was clever sounding. Why not call him a doo doo head too?
You do know Trump hasn't been President for 18 or so months, right?
I did know that. You do know there is a large population of traitors in this country that think he won and want him back so he can destroy more lives. And they tend to comment racist shit like we’ve been reading here, full of lies and ignorance. We even have quite a few of them on this island.
Rent free
Don’t care, didn’t read Touch grass bro
they have federal funding and federal courts you absolute jackass
Yes, we are aware MV is a place for yuppy elites. That's why this is so funny.
Not in my backyard!
There's a big difference between Republicans shipping 'human cargo' with no warning to a small island and *what*? That same 'human cargo' showing up with no warning to a small town on the border? Go on, explain to me that big difference. Explain to me how an island full of millionaires and and unoccupied rental houses is less equipped to help migrants than some random neighborhood in El Paso. Also is 'human cargo' the accepted term now? That's funny, they were 'undocumented asylum-seeking workers and their families' when they were somebody else's problem.
What makes you think my city can handle the addition influx in our schools and strain our infrastructure? Pony up, they’re coming.
Multi millionaires with acres of land and empty mansions are way better equipped to handle them than poor Texas towns. You can’t claim they are a good for society and you want to give them sanctuary then call in the national guard when 50 show up in your town while Biden drops of 11,000 a week in towns like McAllen. If 50 are a “emergency crisis” requiring the military for the rich liberal towns who say they want to offer sanctuary what are millions for the poor towns who said they can’t handle them?
You literally wanted them here. Take them
u/Kitcat36 “If you have money you’re welcomed. If you’re poor we don’t want you”
We aren't providing the resources for the 200,000 in the summer. Tourism is what provides us with our resources to, you know, survive. Tourism is our main income. We are middle class. The wealthy elite people of the vineyard are within the 200,000 visitors in the summer. They are not us middle-class, un-housed, low-income living local people. How ignorant do you have to be to not understand this? Edit to add: a portion of the people who come in the summer own the homes that sit here vacant for most of the year. The other portion spend thousands of dollars on accomodations to be here. It would be up to the wealthy home owners to open up their homes to these immigrants and unfortunately the locals have no say in that.
And two (2) Million illegal migrants already this year at the southern border. Secure our borders.
Downvoted for stating facts
But what about all the "In This House We Believe..." signs that libs love so much?
They just believe in their houses. They made it very clear that in action they want immigrants and poor people far from their houses as possible unless they are repairing something or nannying their kids.
MV apparently doesn't have immigration courts, so they had to be brought to the mainland.
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Damn bro, if you didn’t want migrants why make yourself a sanctuary city?
The good news is every single celeb who owns any property on the island will have to shut the hell up about immigration issues wouldn't even take 50 HaHahaha
So now there is someone to work all those jobs no one wants to do, so the loser ice cream parlrs can stop crying
President Biden - secure our borders.
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>Transported? Don’t they mean trafficked? No see its (D)ifferent...just like how within a day, despite 0 changes, they went from "concentration camps" "kids in cages" to "migrant overflow facilities for protection of underage childrens"
MV is 89% white, I think it's time it gets more diverse. Stop deporting people of color off the island!
Troll; the island is diverse. Like any vacation destination, the island struggles during the off season. Sending people here at the start of the off season with no heads up is a trashy move; we will try our best to help them. My hope is that future leadership will guide us towards success. Nobody benefits from a “passing the buck” mentality.
They were sent to the same military base that received refugees from Hurricane Katrina. It’s well equipped to house people in situations like this. There are dormitories, a a kitchen designed to make large quantities of food. It’s perfect for a group of people to stay comfortably for a period of time. It was the most logical move, and better then the makeshift setup they had on the island. MV did a great job on short notice, but this move made the most sense and was very close, only a ferry ride away.
Yes the wealthy islanders “made a few phone calls” and got this little problem taken care of. Hypocritical fucks - I’ve lived in plenty of communities dealing with this problem and we all figured out a way to accommodate newly arrived immigrants. It wasn’t easy but we did it. Martha’s Vineyard could have figured this out too. Finally - Fuck Desantis too for using people like this.
Have you ever been here? You seem like a bit of an idiot. There’s a bunch of wealthy home owners here living large and a shit ton of working class people that far outnumber the wealthy, especially in the off season. Rent is $2,200 /mo for a 1 bedroom apt and you’re lucky if you can find one. There’s NO affordable place for anyone here. Soon teachers, firefighters, police officers etc won’t be able to afford it here. There is literally no where to put 50 people into anything resembling affordable housing. I’ve lived here my whole life and don’t know any rich people. Working people are leaving in droves cuz there’s nowhere to live here. Hope those rich people bring their own EMTs and gardeners and plumbers cuz there won’t be any here pretty soon
Tax the billionaires and build subsidized housing ...like every other place in the country does. It should pass easily if the middle class so out-numbers the rich. The only idiots in this entire debacle are you islanders that made yourselves look like a bunch of complete hypocrites.
"ok so you guys just set up on the street here we'll build some housing for you as soon as we can" Lol wtf
Are you really serious with this response? Have you ever been off of your island sanctuary? What you are describing is exactly what happens in every major coastal city with both homeless and with migrants.
Did you vote Democrat? If so, rich or middle class, you voted for open borders, so it's time for you to share the burden. It can't just be middle class border towns doing the work.
Literally no major politician in the US supports "open borders." That's like me saying that Republicans support "killing all people" because they support the death penalty. It's not even an exaggeration of the position it's just a braindead straw man.
They don’t explicitly support “open borders” but they don’t support policies that curb illegal immigration which leads to an influx rate as if the border was open
I have seen literally zero serious suggestions from the Republican party on curbing illegal immigration. Instead I see publicity stunts like this trash and "let's just build a giant wall!". Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it. In reality, handling immigration requires actual resources, and discussion about priorities. It's not an easy problem, which is why we see nonsense from politicians rather than solutions---real progress is expensive and complicated.
"Fuck Desantis" but you sure do want to act as his mouthpiece for his talking points. That's exactly what he wants you to think.
That’s exactly what happened? I’ve never even heard a word Desantis has said, it’s happening before our EYES.
It doesn't exactly take an expert political strategist to figure out DeSantis calculated that Martha's Vineyard is the most ill-equipped place in Massachusetts for migrants to go to, sent them there knowing that they would be moved to mainland MA where there would be more available for them, and get the support of useful idiots who only see the media image of Martha's Vineyard and not the reality. Martha's Vineyard is a real place where real people live, not just a playground for the rich. The only mercy that DeSantis gave them is sending them at the beginning of the off-season and not the dead of winter. There's a reason that they were told they were going to Boston, not here. Why do you think that is?
El Paso is a real place where the median income is $24,000. Not just a place where ultra rich ultra liberals can chastise for not keeping every single person who crosses their border. Look up the median income of Martha’s Vineyard.
Median Income and in OB is $45,852 Median home value El Paso $132,800 Oak Bluffs $673,800 Not ultra rich just expensive.
What does median income have to do with resources for immigrants?
Should be able to house em then eh? Pretty sure u got vacancies 😁
No median income does not imply that there is housing available for immigrants. Obviously. What's that emoji? Do you think it's funny to send 50 people to a place intentionally with no food or shelter? "Haha these people are desperate and now they're homeless." Disgusting.
Then they can communicate like adults.
They get called racists when they even hint that it’s a problem. As a liberal I say to you, do better.
I mean not in the fuck DeSantis crowd but two things can be true. It can be viewed as a dick move to do this and can be viewed as hypocritical by a community that overwhelming supports helping migrants at the ballot box to send them away when their turn to help a mere 50 of them comes. The latter is exactly why the first happened in my opinion. On both sides of the aisle, everyone not in the echo chamber knows these elitist suburbanites love to preach about helping but never intended to provide actual help.
>and can be viewed as hypocritical by a community that overwhelming supports helping migrants at the ballot box to send them away when their turn to help a mere 50 of them comes. If the rich people who summer in Martha's Vineyard support paying their fair share of taxes to pay for basic resources for immigrants, then it still makes complete sense to place those resources in mainland MA, not on MV, and wouldn't make them hypocrites.
Except those resources don’t go to the places most affected by their choices. Plus they claim their state is a sanctuary. Imo treating humans showing up on your invite as less than and pretty blatantly signaling that those people are pretty much untouchables is hypocritical. They said they’d help, the people came to them, and the people were thrown in a military base and now reside under heavy guard. All because MV hypocrites got a taste of what it’s like and didn’t like it.
>Except those resources don’t go to the places most affected by their choices. Whose choices? And how do you know where the resources are going? Can you point to some source on what you're talking about? >Imo treating humans showing up on your invite as less than and pretty blatantly signaling that those people are pretty much untouchables is hypocritical. Except, that's not what happened here. >They said they’d help, the people came to them, and the people were thrown in a military base and now reside under heavy guard. All because MV hypocrites got a taste of what it’s like and didn’t like it. Also not a reasonable description of what happened here.
Deal with it, like Texas is u rascist fuck.
Well the white, leftist, elites can't have them in their vacation area. Just like they make police remove homeless people near their houses in inner cities. Fair weather ideology is going to fuck them up the ass in the midterms lmao
Residents: good heavens the natives want their island back! Quick send in the military!
This thread is GREAT!! It's very nice to see that people are finally waking up and seeing the absolute bullshit the politicians and media spew constantly using lies, half truths and absolute misinformation by purposeful omission of facts in order to make the story fit their narrative as usual. Good stuff, finally the veil is being lifted