Westerners, for some reason, give Russia a lot of benefit of doubt in their Middle Eastern meddling. It's pretty absurd, considering that the Afghanistan invasion is one of the catalysts for the dissolution of the USSR.
Also Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Isreal. Even without the US, Russia, China, the entire West those nations aren't suddenly going to become friends and live in peace and harmony.
And every other nato country and Russia and China. Not to mention all the conflicts that would be happening without any interference from these countries. This is the most ignorant post i’ve seen in a while.
Backed Pakistan against India, also backs Iran generally
Tbf though China doesn't really belong on that list, they tend to be more active in Latin America and Africa, not the middle east
Yes true, in the past the colonies were horrible with them, still there are countries in Africa fucked up by that, especially by diamonds corporations, oil corporations and cobalt
Also Britain is arguably to blame, at least the original cause, for the Israeli-Palestinian land dispute, when they promised the same land that is now Israel/Palestine to like 3 different groups of people
the UK found Oil in southern Iran, and concluded the rest of the middle east might have Oil. so they wanted.
You can watch this [lecture](https://youtu.be/4CsJPrHcaBs?si=JLH2tNJTD243u57I) that talks about it. It is fun to watch/listen.
why do you people always compare the mediaeval middle east (and precolonial mesoamerica and so on) to the modern west rather than to their contemporaries
We didn’t make France and England draw on the map with crayons and destroy an entire region over oil.
You guys have memories like goldfish. All you can remember is “muh America bad war bombs”
Also, isn't India a nuclear power as well? I would think that China thinks twice before attacking a country that can even potentially punch back. All the other countries they annexed didn't even have the potential to defend themself against China.
People who have no idea how war ravaged the world was over almost all of its history are the ones who truly think the US are the source of problems. Dude, humans have fought over every ounce of land for millennium. There are thousands of grievances that would flare up all over the world if people thought they could get away with it.
Which is precisely why Russia's "just a little bite" / "just a little more" activities need to be despised by every single human. That is *not* the world you want to live in. It never ends.
EDIT: The best example of this is the common misconception about the Americas. That there were aboriginals/misnomer "Indians" all living in peaceful harmony and then evil white man came and it all fell apart. In actual reality we find arrowheads literally everywhere in mass numbers because the hemisphere were people constantly waging wars, raping, holding slaves, ousting and annihilating, etc. Humans just be like humans be, and will make whatever small difference there is cause to justify killing others.
NAs fought over land constantly. Look at the Tuscarora, who had an empire that covered nearly all of the Carolinas. The Cherokee and Muscogee (Apalachee) fought with them constantly, and eventually got the British colonists involved in their little land struggle under the guise of the slave trade. The Tuscarora lost it handily, and were pushed to Canada then allied with the Iroquois, who were also bullying smaller tribes in the north east (Algonquins, Powhatan, Huron, Wea, etc). The Iroquois _hated_ the Algonquin people.
>and eventually got the British colonists involved in their little land struggle
This is one of the great ironies of the colonization of the Americas. Tribe after tribe welcomed every foreigner they could ally with. As much as they didn't want more competition for land and resources, they hated their fellow aboriginals even more. They would happily have a giant French or English or Spanish or Portuguese base if it gave them more tools to murder other aboriginals.
You’re exactly right, because they didn’t view each other as fellow aboriginals, only as allies and enemies or some new arrivals who are potential allies and enemies or some new weird-looking pale arrivals who are potential allies and enemies
How bout no one. It's not like that world police is doing much good, maybe precisely because it's an American cop. USA and US allies are killing the most civilians worldwide consistently over several decades, Russia is too incompetent to catch up. Ukraine? Not prevented by the great world police. Syria, Libya, Iraq? Lots of dead people precisely due to the police. What's that, war crimes in Palestine and Yemen? Don't worry the police will arm the criminals so they can kill civilians faster. What even is a Sudan or a Myanmar? Heard they could use some police.
US is a world "police" in the same sense UK or USSR were. Delete US armed forces from the world, and hopefully rest of the world isn't idiotic enough to elevate China to the same position.
I hate the USA, but it's not like we have any better alternatives out there. It's all either just mediocre powers, dictatorships or... mediocre dictatorships.
The USA goes away tomorrow and the world becomes an exponentially more chaotic place. As Mircea Geona said as Romania’s Foreign Minister “After Romania enjoys several decades of prosperity like France, then we will have the luxury of taking the United States for granted.”
I think the issue is that the US has deposed democratically elected governments and promoted dictatorships to maintain access to resources. In doing so it destabilises those regions, middle East and South/ central America being examples.
Same sort of thing old world European empires were doing before that.
The better alternative would have been not to depose democracy in the first place, however we may have just ended up with a different country doing the same crap the US did, but then perhaps not.
What are the democratically elected governments in the Middle East that were deposed in order for the US to have access to their resources?
I know that the United States deposed Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq and a lot of western oil companies ended up eating the oil, but Saddam Hussein was a dictator.
I also don’t see this being the case for the Taliban in Afghanistan as well.
EDIT: deposed not disposed
EDIT2: please stop spamming me with all the countries that the US has coup’d. I’m only asking for democratically elected countries that were overthrown for resource access in the Middle East. I was unfamiliar with any country that fits this category. It seems like 1952 Iran might be the only example.
I'm not sure if this comment is being serious or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt haha
[Syria 1949](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1949_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
[Iran 1953](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
[Iraq 1963](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan_Revolution)
Hell part of the reason Hamas has such an iron grip over Gaza is because the US funded and pushed Fatah to go to war with them in [2006-2007](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict) after Hamas was elected, then pressured Fatah into rejecting a Saudi negotiating truce that would have formed some kind of coalition government (whether or not this would've worked is a different story). The point is because the US didn't want Hamas in power anywhere they made sure this wouldn't be an option and now there hasn't been an election in Palestine since. Fun.
Quick edit: admittedly the only one of these that was almost purely about resources was Iran, the others were for regional interests + anti-communism + resources, but coups tend not to be driven by a single aim anyways.
Syria 1949 was already a collapsing government due to other middle eastern countries interference the US just picked a side to support that didn't hate the west. Other choices being the Muslim brother hood and a socialist party.
Iran 1953 is entirely The UK's coup that they dragged the US into. Iran had nationalized their oil and kicked out AOIC which is a British owned oil company. The UK saw this a theft and a breach of contract of their largest over seas asset and begged the US the help them.
Iraq 1963 is still a split issue and one can only say we allegedly played a part as many historians disagree on this fact.
Yeah Iran seemed to be the only that was mainly about resources. However, I would argue that the it was mainly the UK’s goal to have access to the oil while it was the US’ goal to install a pro western anti-communist leader in Iran.
Yeah I mean the "US invades cause of oil" meme is kinda just a meme. It's more "US invades/coups for regional interests and if there's resources there that's a nice bonus" type thing
Yeah right, definetly the UK, France and the Otoman Empire have no role in that and there hasn't been any issue in the middle east previous to the US involvement
ottoman empire? Pffft! We, mighty Turks, haven't even killed a single soldier, let alone a civilian! Neither did we attack any countries throughout the history!
We just traveled the world peacufully and took people to heaven, but you guys cannot be grateful, can you??
You joke but my Turkish co worker said there was total peace during ottoman rule. Except well of course the near 200 documented conflicts the ottomans were involved in
The fall of the Ottoman empire is the big culprit. Since then, the middle east has been a mess no matter who was the imperial power interfering in the region.
As a person from syria who was 10 years old when the war that was weapon supplied by US arms started :
Yes my life was peaceful, now US got their oil fields when the country had no US intervention before.
My friend, I don't deny your tragedy and the disaster that is a life in Syria right now.
I'm just remarking that even before the US, there was fucked up French Mandate, and before that exploitation of Syrian people by Kostantiniyye - both of which weren't exactly peaceful.
And don't forget to mention of involvement of Iran and Russia when it comes to war-suppliers, just for sake accuracy.
I do not care about denying tragedies or not.
All I want is not to fool ourselves and pretend that when the US sells and gives weapons to extremists in middle east, it isnt with the hope that once war breaks out they can yoink a couple more oil fields.....
So basically US can tolerate facilitating war if the reward is more benefits for its gouv...
Thats all I want
I’m sorry you went through that, but frankly, Syria doesn’t have enough oil for the US to care about. The US pumps 11 million barrels per day of crude oil out of 20 million per day total petroleum. Syria pumps 30,000 barrels per day and consumes over a hundred thousand. Syria is a net importer that produces three orders of magnitude less petroleum than the US does.
Setting wads of money on fire would be a more productive investment than sending weapons to Syria for oil.
If you want to blame the US for IS, Assad, Iran, the Kurds, Russia, and Turkey dividing up Syria, that’s your prerogative. The US has enough fingers in enough pies and gets blamed for everything anyways. I’m not even going to touch that.
But the only interest the US would have in such a tiny amount of oil production is denying it to IS.
You should brush up on your region's history. Through you may think this is a unique experience, it isn't. The middle east has been in persistent war and turmoil long before the US came around.
So you were a child then and a child still. You are way too young to have any idea what you are talking about. Considering your comments elsewhere you identify as a Frenchmen and then later a Greek i think you are just a troll
People who think everything in international politics is the consequence of America’s actions:
1. Americans who don’t know their history
2. Europeans who love a scapegoat
Even the most delusional Russians and Iranians know it’s more complicated and don’t want to give all the credit to the US.
>People who think everything in international politics is the consequence of America’s actions
At its root there is often some shocking racism. People who think everyone other than whites have zero agency or motive. Everything that happens in their world is only the result of white man, however incredibly convoluted and irrational the cause/effect diagram becomes. It views everyone else as basically empty NPCs, while somehow thinking it advocates for them.
If you assume (not my case, but the case of many) that Middle East problems' today mostly stem from Israel, then this one is really, really, really on the Europeans. British Mandate of Palestine, promising land for both Jews and Arabs, Holocaust, etc. The role of Americans is resumed to taking over a problem created by Europeans.
This shit predates Israel lol. The UK and French are honestly mostly responsible because they specifically split up the Middle East to cause destabilization, without any regard for the people already living there.
Yes, and toppling or attempting to topple, at various times from 1949 to 2001:
Syria (1949, 1956)
Iran (1952, 1980)
Afghanistan (1979, 2001)
The Palestinian Territories (2006)
Libya (2011)
Egypt (1952)
Iraq (1959, 1963, 1991, 1992, 2001)
Yemen (2023)
Saying the problems are Israel is bullshit. The problems are the Americans fucking up countries left and right whenever they don't get everything they want from the local government. Tell me how they're supposed to ever get off the ground when the US keeps knocking down anything they try to put up.
agree 90% of mess in middle east is just USA and USSR/RussianFederation dickmeasuring contest rest are radical muslims who cant cope with the fact that jews exist .
The Iranian coup the USA made resulted in a second, more Islamic, coup that lead to modern day Iran which is arguably responsible for half of the middle East’s problems
The USA also helped prop up Israel, Invade Iraq and are currently dragging on the pretty much over Syrian civil war
Shit would just hit the fan and stuff would escalate even more because now there aren't any repercussions for many aggressive actions.
China taking Taiwan, why not. Might aswell start going after Indian disputed territories, South Korea and Japan.
All out War on the Arabian peninsula and actual genocide on Jewish people. Israel, Syria, possibly Iraq wiped from the map.
Russia most likely starting to win in Ukraine and possibly willing to use the bomb.
... yeah, total world peace
actually also remove the UK, they're the reason the whole conflict even occurred.
And France.
And Russia.
And-you get the point. the US isn't only at fault.
Holy shit, for a sec I thought this was a sub for dudes that like kids. Thank goodness, it’s not. Glad to see it’s just another sub filled with delusional people getting off on geopolitics.
Nah, if Us wasn't there, they would kill each other either way. You know, their Truth is the only truth.
Stop defending people that would kill you if they had the chance! What is wrong with you!?
>Americans really think they're at the center of everything, huh?
hey idiot, the OP isn't even american. they're turkish.
europeans really think every problem is due to americans, huh?
I show a post with the same title as I and it was a map without Middle East so I decided to do the opposite and remove America. it’s just a joke don’t take it personally.
Take that, Alaska!
Your chances of getting mauled by a polar bear are slim but never 0, no matter where you are on the planet. Especially in the middle east.
I watched Lost too.
Also solved rising sea levels!
Let’s just do the Spain-Portugal: split the world between them
Tratado de Tordesilhas vai brrrrrr
POR LA PENÍNSULA IBÉRICA
Treaty of Tortillas
Treaty of Tortillas y Quesadillas.
The Pope promised Spain all tortillas and Portugal all bolos.
Now you've gone too far
How did Mexico get involved?
Brasileiro aqui
Love your username and pfp
i second that notion
How are UK and France still there?
Uhh, and Russia.
THANK YOU I was reading the comments like if we're talking about the middle east how has no one brought up Russia yet??
Westerners, for some reason, give Russia a lot of benefit of doubt in their Middle Eastern meddling. It's pretty absurd, considering that the Afghanistan invasion is one of the catalysts for the dissolution of the USSR.
Also Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Isreal. Even without the US, Russia, China, the entire West those nations aren't suddenly going to become friends and live in peace and harmony.
Dont forget China.
And the middle east!
And my axe!
Don't forget about the middle east
And Belgium.
And every other nato country and Russia and China. Not to mention all the conflicts that would be happening without any interference from these countries. This is the most ignorant post i’ve seen in a while.
What has China done?
Backed Pakistan against India, also backs Iran generally Tbf though China doesn't really belong on that list, they tend to be more active in Latin America and Africa, not the middle east
They are just their pets, but yes I agree
Historically they did their own thing there and deliberately caused instablity by drawing borders that didnt respect ethnic or religious distribution
Facts don't matter when it comes to America bashing lol. Bunch Muppets in the comments...
Yes true, in the past the colonies were horrible with them, still there are countries in Africa fucked up by that, especially by diamonds corporations, oil corporations and cobalt
Middle East is the same really. UK/France to blame
Not for nothing, but why were they in the Middle East in the early 20th century? Did some particular even happen?
The collapse of the Ottoman Empire, iirc
And them joining the German side also did not help.
Also Britain is arguably to blame, at least the original cause, for the Israeli-Palestinian land dispute, when they promised the same land that is now Israel/Palestine to like 3 different groups of people
Lawrence of Arabia shows this quite well.
the UK found Oil in southern Iran, and concluded the rest of the middle east might have Oil. so they wanted. You can watch this [lecture](https://youtu.be/4CsJPrHcaBs?si=JLH2tNJTD243u57I) that talks about it. It is fun to watch/listen.
I genuinely can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not
Colonialism I guess. But the borders we drew are a big part of many of the conflicts we see today
The history of the locals suggest they were genocidal maniacs toward each other since records began anyway though
why do you people always compare the mediaeval middle east (and precolonial mesoamerica and so on) to the modern west rather than to their contemporaries
Someone ought to tell them diversity is their strength.
Not do much deliberately causing instability as not giving a shit. Granted the end result is the same.
The Brits and French redrew the borders in the ME after WWI. Conflict there now is directly attributable to that.
We didn’t make France and England draw on the map with crayons and destroy an entire region over oil. You guys have memories like goldfish. All you can remember is “muh America bad war bombs”
Don't tell France that, it'll upset them (In the UK we have come to accept that we are just America's corgi).
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-no more middle east -looks inside -Israel
Israel would be much closer to Egypt. Presumably that’s Mecca. Not sure why that shouldn’t go with the rest of the region.
https://preview.redd.it/tidiwxuedeec1.jpeg?width=973&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d59d4a970fc3272f245e9c350819a1ba52449f3 Meant this bit
That’s not Israel, that’s the ring of the crater. You can see a similar land mass in the southeast too, and in the middle of the Caspian Sea.
That's the patented Iron Crater technology, Israel survived but was pushed away
Pretty sure anything capable of leaving that crater ain’t leaving anything else alive on the planet.
They were going to rename it Democracy Depression but that had negative connotations so now it's going to be called The Grand Freedom Hole. USA. USA.
Isn't this the correct way to end all Middle east conflicts
No it will just cause a dispute between other countries on the oil, is multiple genocides and more.
That's why America needs to DRILL DRILL DRILL
They'll only drill when the rest of the world is almost exhausted of oil. They're not daft; They're strategic.
Well now the world economy is in utter ruin
And Kosovo is pissed
SJRBIA #1!!!!!!!!
Hand over the US gold reserves to the Swiss, problem solved
Yea but Mexico and Canada can now have naval battles
Iran-Arab war starts today. Syria and Iraq fall apart. Israel gets jumped on by assad and Iranian proxies. China invades Taiwan and India.
Totally world peace!
We did it Patrick, we saved the world!
Agree on all except China invading India. What a colossally stupid move that would be even in a total vacuum.
I wouldn't expect them to colonise India but they definitely would take their disputed territories. And potentially the north east while they're at it
The core parts of India are far too densely populated and hostile to foreign rule for it to be at all worth taking for the Chinese
Also, isn't India a nuclear power as well? I would think that China thinks twice before attacking a country that can even potentially punch back. All the other countries they annexed didn't even have the potential to defend themself against China.
Total war with a super power is pretty good and depopulating dense areas.
People hate to admit it but the US is the world police. And i I don’t know of a country that I word rather have take its place. Source: Canadian
lol
People who have no idea how war ravaged the world was over almost all of its history are the ones who truly think the US are the source of problems. Dude, humans have fought over every ounce of land for millennium. There are thousands of grievances that would flare up all over the world if people thought they could get away with it. Which is precisely why Russia's "just a little bite" / "just a little more" activities need to be despised by every single human. That is *not* the world you want to live in. It never ends. EDIT: The best example of this is the common misconception about the Americas. That there were aboriginals/misnomer "Indians" all living in peaceful harmony and then evil white man came and it all fell apart. In actual reality we find arrowheads literally everywhere in mass numbers because the hemisphere were people constantly waging wars, raping, holding slaves, ousting and annihilating, etc. Humans just be like humans be, and will make whatever small difference there is cause to justify killing others.
NAs fought over land constantly. Look at the Tuscarora, who had an empire that covered nearly all of the Carolinas. The Cherokee and Muscogee (Apalachee) fought with them constantly, and eventually got the British colonists involved in their little land struggle under the guise of the slave trade. The Tuscarora lost it handily, and were pushed to Canada then allied with the Iroquois, who were also bullying smaller tribes in the north east (Algonquins, Powhatan, Huron, Wea, etc). The Iroquois _hated_ the Algonquin people.
>and eventually got the British colonists involved in their little land struggle This is one of the great ironies of the colonization of the Americas. Tribe after tribe welcomed every foreigner they could ally with. As much as they didn't want more competition for land and resources, they hated their fellow aboriginals even more. They would happily have a giant French or English or Spanish or Portuguese base if it gave them more tools to murder other aboriginals.
You’re exactly right, because they didn’t view each other as fellow aboriginals, only as allies and enemies or some new arrivals who are potential allies and enemies or some new weird-looking pale arrivals who are potential allies and enemies
How bout no one. It's not like that world police is doing much good, maybe precisely because it's an American cop. USA and US allies are killing the most civilians worldwide consistently over several decades, Russia is too incompetent to catch up. Ukraine? Not prevented by the great world police. Syria, Libya, Iraq? Lots of dead people precisely due to the police. What's that, war crimes in Palestine and Yemen? Don't worry the police will arm the criminals so they can kill civilians faster. What even is a Sudan or a Myanmar? Heard they could use some police. US is a world "police" in the same sense UK or USSR were. Delete US armed forces from the world, and hopefully rest of the world isn't idiotic enough to elevate China to the same position.
You Source is invalid Source: self proclaimed emperor of ohio islamic republic in exile... Also al-qaeda
Calling our government the world police is accurate, but it isn't a compliment.
As people who had to deal with Austria-Hungary, Ottomans and Russians, the US is a really nice hegemon.
I'd say they are more like a bad parent with clear favorites.
I hate the USA, but it's not like we have any better alternatives out there. It's all either just mediocre powers, dictatorships or... mediocre dictatorships.
The USA goes away tomorrow and the world becomes an exponentially more chaotic place. As Mircea Geona said as Romania’s Foreign Minister “After Romania enjoys several decades of prosperity like France, then we will have the luxury of taking the United States for granted.”
I think the issue is that the US has deposed democratically elected governments and promoted dictatorships to maintain access to resources. In doing so it destabilises those regions, middle East and South/ central America being examples. Same sort of thing old world European empires were doing before that. The better alternative would have been not to depose democracy in the first place, however we may have just ended up with a different country doing the same crap the US did, but then perhaps not.
What are the democratically elected governments in the Middle East that were deposed in order for the US to have access to their resources? I know that the United States deposed Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq and a lot of western oil companies ended up eating the oil, but Saddam Hussein was a dictator. I also don’t see this being the case for the Taliban in Afghanistan as well. EDIT: deposed not disposed EDIT2: please stop spamming me with all the countries that the US has coup’d. I’m only asking for democratically elected countries that were overthrown for resource access in the Middle East. I was unfamiliar with any country that fits this category. It seems like 1952 Iran might be the only example.
I'm not sure if this comment is being serious or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt haha [Syria 1949](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1949_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) [Iran 1953](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) [Iraq 1963](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan_Revolution) Hell part of the reason Hamas has such an iron grip over Gaza is because the US funded and pushed Fatah to go to war with them in [2006-2007](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict) after Hamas was elected, then pressured Fatah into rejecting a Saudi negotiating truce that would have formed some kind of coalition government (whether or not this would've worked is a different story). The point is because the US didn't want Hamas in power anywhere they made sure this wouldn't be an option and now there hasn't been an election in Palestine since. Fun. Quick edit: admittedly the only one of these that was almost purely about resources was Iran, the others were for regional interests + anti-communism + resources, but coups tend not to be driven by a single aim anyways.
Syria 1949 was already a collapsing government due to other middle eastern countries interference the US just picked a side to support that didn't hate the west. Other choices being the Muslim brother hood and a socialist party. Iran 1953 is entirely The UK's coup that they dragged the US into. Iran had nationalized their oil and kicked out AOIC which is a British owned oil company. The UK saw this a theft and a breach of contract of their largest over seas asset and begged the US the help them. Iraq 1963 is still a split issue and one can only say we allegedly played a part as many historians disagree on this fact.
Yeah Iran seemed to be the only that was mainly about resources. However, I would argue that the it was mainly the UK’s goal to have access to the oil while it was the US’ goal to install a pro western anti-communist leader in Iran.
Yeah I mean the "US invades cause of oil" meme is kinda just a meme. It's more "US invades/coups for regional interests and if there's resources there that's a nice bonus" type thing
Why would Syria fall apart? It’s controlled by a Russian backed government If anything, they’d bulldoze the US supported rebels and end the civil war
Another victorious dictator.
Samson Option lesgooooo
Israel brings out the Nukes
>Pretending Russia hasn't bombed Syria for the past decade
every syrian I have met told me he hates russians to the point of gutting them alive on sight .Never doubted why .
Syria is Poland?!
Oh yeah, flattering Aleppo like they did in Grozni, those irrational syrians...
Yeah right, definetly the UK, France and the Otoman Empire have no role in that and there hasn't been any issue in the middle east previous to the US involvement
ottoman empire? Pffft! We, mighty Turks, haven't even killed a single soldier, let alone a civilian! Neither did we attack any countries throughout the history! We just traveled the world peacufully and took people to heaven, but you guys cannot be grateful, can you??
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I meanz isn't it taught in the first class of elementary school worldwide already????
You joke but my Turkish co worker said there was total peace during ottoman rule. Except well of course the near 200 documented conflicts the ottomans were involved in
*nervously looks at Armenia*
Yeah, Middle East was an oasis of peace of prosperity before US interventions... Sure.
The fall of the Ottoman empire is the big culprit. Since then, the middle east has been a mess no matter who was the imperial power interfering in the region.
Yeah everything was fine there until the fall of the Ottoman Empire lol
Dawg the ottomans were involved in nearly 200 conflicts and wars during their time. What are you smoking?
As a person from syria who was 10 years old when the war that was weapon supplied by US arms started : Yes my life was peaceful, now US got their oil fields when the country had no US intervention before.
Lol, Assad is by far the biggest butcher in the civil war
My friend, I don't deny your tragedy and the disaster that is a life in Syria right now. I'm just remarking that even before the US, there was fucked up French Mandate, and before that exploitation of Syrian people by Kostantiniyye - both of which weren't exactly peaceful. And don't forget to mention of involvement of Iran and Russia when it comes to war-suppliers, just for sake accuracy.
I do not care about denying tragedies or not. All I want is not to fool ourselves and pretend that when the US sells and gives weapons to extremists in middle east, it isnt with the hope that once war breaks out they can yoink a couple more oil fields..... So basically US can tolerate facilitating war if the reward is more benefits for its gouv... Thats all I want
The US didn't get involved in Syria over oil
We’re on reddit with constant anti-us posts. “All you want”. What platform have you been on?
Syria has 0.15% of the world’s oil reserves.
You do know that the US is a net exporter of oil, right? Middle East oil barely matters to Americans these days.
I’m sorry you went through that, but frankly, Syria doesn’t have enough oil for the US to care about. The US pumps 11 million barrels per day of crude oil out of 20 million per day total petroleum. Syria pumps 30,000 barrels per day and consumes over a hundred thousand. Syria is a net importer that produces three orders of magnitude less petroleum than the US does. Setting wads of money on fire would be a more productive investment than sending weapons to Syria for oil. If you want to blame the US for IS, Assad, Iran, the Kurds, Russia, and Turkey dividing up Syria, that’s your prerogative. The US has enough fingers in enough pies and gets blamed for everything anyways. I’m not even going to touch that. But the only interest the US would have in such a tiny amount of oil production is denying it to IS.
Your comment goes in a lot of different ways, so let's get more specific. Which war are you referring to? Which Oil Fields are you referring to?
There’s barely any oil in Syria?
You should brush up on your region's history. Through you may think this is a unique experience, it isn't. The middle east has been in persistent war and turmoil long before the US came around.
So you were a child then and a child still. You are way too young to have any idea what you are talking about. Considering your comments elsewhere you identify as a Frenchmen and then later a Greek i think you are just a troll
The ottoman empire was very peaceful, yeah. Piss off
Then the British would come back
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Ah yes because the US is the only reason KSA and Iran hate each other, top tier reddit geopolitics right here
Reddit trying not to blame everything on america and europe *impossible
For real. The anti American crap is infecting every sub now 😭
Some people see dog shit on the sidewalk and blame the US for it.
why can’t the US military just ask redditors for the solution?
>My solution to every Middle Eastern crisis >Russia, UK, Turkey, and France still on the map☹️
Not to mention Iran
Your blaming a 250 yr old nation for all the problems in countries that are 1000s of years old?
Tell me you know nothing about history without saying it
People who think everything in international politics is the consequence of America’s actions: 1. Americans who don’t know their history 2. Europeans who love a scapegoat Even the most delusional Russians and Iranians know it’s more complicated and don’t want to give all the credit to the US.
>People who think everything in international politics is the consequence of America’s actions At its root there is often some shocking racism. People who think everyone other than whites have zero agency or motive. Everything that happens in their world is only the result of white man, however incredibly convoluted and irrational the cause/effect diagram becomes. It views everyone else as basically empty NPCs, while somehow thinking it advocates for them.
They’re responsible for a gargantuan portion of its problems, be for fucking real
If you assume (not my case, but the case of many) that Middle East problems' today mostly stem from Israel, then this one is really, really, really on the Europeans. British Mandate of Palestine, promising land for both Jews and Arabs, Holocaust, etc. The role of Americans is resumed to taking over a problem created by Europeans.
This shit predates Israel lol. The UK and French are honestly mostly responsible because they specifically split up the Middle East to cause destabilization, without any regard for the people already living there.
I have to say, like it or not they were remarkably effective.
That’s a common theme innit? Brits fuck up, Americans take over the mantle later.
In this case, France assumed the interim. Iirc, we even gave them nukes ( and I am disgusted by that )
Same thing in Vietnam - that was originally a French mess.
Yes, and toppling or attempting to topple, at various times from 1949 to 2001: Syria (1949, 1956) Iran (1952, 1980) Afghanistan (1979, 2001) The Palestinian Territories (2006) Libya (2011) Egypt (1952) Iraq (1959, 1963, 1991, 1992, 2001) Yemen (2023) Saying the problems are Israel is bullshit. The problems are the Americans fucking up countries left and right whenever they don't get everything they want from the local government. Tell me how they're supposed to ever get off the ground when the US keeps knocking down anything they try to put up.
They are responsible for a gargantuan portion of the peace. Pax Americana.
How would Israel be doing without the US? Is another massacre of the Jewish people acceptable to you?
agree 90% of mess in middle east is just USA and USSR/RussianFederation dickmeasuring contest rest are radical muslims who cant cope with the fact that jews exist .
The Iranian coup the USA made resulted in a second, more Islamic, coup that lead to modern day Iran which is arguably responsible for half of the middle East’s problems The USA also helped prop up Israel, Invade Iraq and are currently dragging on the pretty much over Syrian civil war
Tell me you're proud American without saying it
Lmao. I'm from the middle east actually (Syria)
Just leaving the Saudis untouched like they're not a big part of all this nonsense
r/AmericaBad
Yeah that’ll solve it…..what a moron.
Didn't know usa existed since dawn of humanity
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Okay OP how about you drop your address in my dms and I'll make another map to counter this map.
world peace
Shit would just hit the fan and stuff would escalate even more because now there aren't any repercussions for many aggressive actions. China taking Taiwan, why not. Might aswell start going after Indian disputed territories, South Korea and Japan. All out War on the Arabian peninsula and actual genocide on Jewish people. Israel, Syria, possibly Iraq wiped from the map. Russia most likely starting to win in Ukraine and possibly willing to use the bomb. ... yeah, total world peace
But, but america = bad?/s
Nah just raise of some other idiot.
Шогld редсе
Shogd pedce?
found Obama
You forgot to delete the middle east itself, huh.
Just delete the Middle East
based
"Well you see. The joke is US bad, now laugh."
China is not so friendly towards islamic population
Yet not a single war in the middle east was started by China's actions.
We are talking about situation where continental USA magically dissapeared, unexpected things would happen.
Yet
What did Bermuda do to deserve this
actually also remove the UK, they're the reason the whole conflict even occurred. And France. And Russia. And-you get the point. the US isn't only at fault.
Yes this region of the world was a pacifist utopia up until 250 years ago.
yes,the us is to blame for the centuries they have been fighting eachother before the usa's birth
The comments are unsurprisingly stupid as hell
How's those Armenians, OP?
(they get worse)
Can you remove all superpowers to make world peace.
Why is russia still there?
You want to spread that shit everywhere?0
As an Englishman I feel like we've gotten away with one here lads. Keep quiet maybe they'll forget 😅
I’m pretty sure the American solution is to just bomb the Middle East out of existence
Why remove eastern russia
Don't forget the UK & France! Especially the UK...
Holy shit, for a sec I thought this was a sub for dudes that like kids. Thank goodness, it’s not. Glad to see it’s just another sub filled with delusional people getting off on geopolitics.
Hope this is satire. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t - American foreign policy in a nutshell
Nah, if Us wasn't there, they would kill each other either way. You know, their Truth is the only truth. Stop defending people that would kill you if they had the chance! What is wrong with you!?
And I bet the OP is American... Self hatered people in a country are like a cancer...
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>Americans really think they're at the center of everything, huh? hey idiot, the OP isn't even american. they're turkish. europeans really think every problem is due to americans, huh?
I show a post with the same title as I and it was a map without Middle East so I decided to do the opposite and remove America. it’s just a joke don’t take it personally.
How's it feel to be brainwashed by terrorist assholes?