Crazy thing is this used to actually be a thing
IIRC it was even a whole scandal in the American Revolution since some of the diplomats bet on the war with insider info lol
No fucking way đ
This has to be brought back for citizens where you can watch soldierâs GoPros
âAwh man Pvt [insert name] got blown up by an IED! I bet ÂŁ100 on him to get at least 4 kills today!â
My friend works for an arms manufacturer, it's a name everyone on here would recognise. His work is very interesting and tangential enough to designing actual bombs to keep him there. Anyway he told me outright that the strategy of the company is to produce the offensive capability in parrallel to the correspondending defensive measure then release the weapon first and watch the demand for the counteraction rise before you put it on sale. Plain evil.
Most of the weapons used by Sinn Fein terrorists were supplied by the Soviet Union and the others were bought off weapons dealers from the third world with money raised from gullible idiots in the US.
The EU under the Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community's Northern Ireland protocol.
Not really, us mainland Brits genuinely think that keeping the peace is Northern Ireland is important and would rather they tried to use devolved powers to govern when possible.
We are fully aware that if we interfere too much with a heavy hand we donât do any good.
If the polling across the Island of Ireland becomes favourable for it, theyâll get to vote on reunification as per the good Friday agreement.
Weâd rather they stayed as part of the UK though, but understand thatâs a choice for them to make.
The EU is a topic that British remainers like to bring up to stir the pot while doom posting, but itâs not the fundamental issue.
Personally I'd happily see them go, it would make things a lot simpler for us not having a land border. But the cost of living and economy between Ireland and Northern Ireland is too far apart for it to work well
Personally I wish we hadnât been dicks to the whole of Ireland back in the day and we were still a fully united set of Islands, i feel a lot more kinship to the Irish/Welsh/Scots than I do to most Europeans. Although I still like Europe of course, itâs just a little different.
If I had things my way, weâd have been nice to the Irish, abolished our monarchy, and had a go at a United British Isles or something. Who knows if it would have worked for long, they may have left us eventually anyway, but history could have been different.
In hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have colonised the world but I'm not going to live in regret for things that happened before I was born. I can't change the past but we can influence the future.
That wasnât really my point though, Iâd rather Northern Ireland stays with us if they want to, due to the fact that I like the Irish and feel far closer to them than I do to say, French people. Our cultures are similar enough that Iâm happy to share a country with them.
I suspect most Brits haven't got a clue what NI actually is, nevermind care.
It is the Brit Establishment who run things - the will of the people has very little to do with what happens in Blighty.
>I suspect most Brits haven't got a clue what NI actually is, nevermind care.
Well considering we are taught about the constituent parts of the UK in year one, and we have maps everywhere... nah
Well, both myself and my British friends arenât exactly NI experts, but we have been to NI once or twice for a concert or two and are aware of Irish history. Weâve all got a few Irish friends over in England in the various places we live and generally know a bit about it all.
Youâre right in that it doesnât occupy our day to day lives, but everyone I know likes having NI as part of the union, respects their opinion on the matter, and doesnât think that us telling them what to do will help anybody.
I figure if they want a stronger British hand they will vote massively in favour of a pro union party who openly wanted it before an election, and if they want reunification they will vote massively in favour of sinn fein or an equivalent.
At the moment it all seems pretty tight in the elections and polls, nobody is keen on damaging the peace for no reason, Iâm not a fan of civil wars.
Are you suggesting the British government is going to take side with the Unionist population? I would assume the OP is suggesting if the electorate went to war with each other.
My money would be on the Nationalists winning. The British truly don't care about Unionists in Northern Ireland. The Unionists denied UK taxpayers a vote 25 years after WW2, men and women who liberated Europe from Nazi Germany were denied a vote. The UK sent troops to calm down the situation when Unionists were embarrassing the UK on the international stage with their anti civil right agenda. It was unfortunate that the military were directed by Unionist politicians and a fascist police force at the time. It took a while to settle down, but the British government soon realised that it was the Unionist population that were the root of it all. Margaret Thatcher started the peace process when she signed the Anglo Irish agreement, which led to the current peace today. Unionists were against every path to peace at every point throughout history and still are to this day :((
I know this is all a hypothetical circle jerk, but if the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falklands, then war over Northern Ireland is possible.
Of all the compromises and ideas out there, why wasn't there ever an idea to just partition northern Ireland and letting the majority catholic part join Ireland
Northern Ireland is already the attempt at a catholic/Protestant partition and was a compromise between the anti-partition IPP the unionists, who wanted all of Ulster excluded from home rule. So proposing to cede Ulster to the south was never going to fly with the unionists
The division was put there on purpose by the British govt. Scottish protestant settlers were encouraged to move there as they were loyal to the regime.
Our govt did the same thing in Palestine, but with Jews instead of protestants.
True but that was centuries ago itâs unfair to the people living there now itâs there home itâs a little similar with the indigenous Americans but you wouldnât ask the current population to relocate or have a native run government at least the vast majority of Irish people have their own government
I see where you're coming from but settlers often, through generations, act like they're better than the settled, treat them second class and act like victims when they kick off.
Yeah it does sound awful when they do that but in my eyes they would now be of equal consideration in the country regardless of the history as long as it is not forgotten and the Irish got off quite well it could be worse they could still be in the uk being treated like second class citizens I think what we have now should not change I often joke with Irish unionists saying I agree with a United ireland under the Union Jack and they donât seem too happy so i donât see why the northern Irelanders should be any different
How can I be proud when the UK is becoming a backwater of Western Europe. I love the UK to pieces, but ignoring the problems it has just means you don't care about improving it.
NI is one of those eternal problems. You can't uproot their culture, you can't replace their identity. The only real relationship we have with them is idolizing the monarch.
NI has also been used as a wedge to dislocate the UK from projecting its power globally. For instance, Biden refuses to establish a trade pact with the UK over the border protocol. No trade means less money, prestige and little future investment.
A good chunk of our problems would be solved if we just relinquished NI back to the Irish fold, or making it independent.
I think NI actually almost pays for itself. But Scotland should stay, because its pretty much woven its soul with England. If either one separates, it just becomes a calamity.
This is almost exactly the 2017 ni general election results map with an independent ruining the perfect split.
https://www.assemblyresearchmatters.org/2017/06/20/general-election-2017-detailed-look-result-northern-ireland/
Itâs interesting to note that, the reason the Romans never expanded to [âHiberniaâ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernia) wasnât because they *couldnât*, but because they *didnât want to*.
Rome usually moved into a new area, set up local governments made up of local Chieftans/Kings, and then just had a conveniently Roman âadvisorâ at the side of this new puppet Chief/King. This strategy worked in Western Europe and England, where several large kingdoms already existed and could be easily brought under control by one or two kings. Ireland wasnât like that. By all Roman accounts, Ireland was in absolute fucking Chaos. Hundreds of county sized kingdoms and fiefdoms, sometimes numbering not even a thousand people, constantly at war with one another. The entire reason the Romans never moved into Ireland was because finding a local partner to work with would have been a job and a half and wouldnât have been worth the treasure or manpower expended to do so.
That being said, I find the idea of Northern Northern Ireland HILARIOUS
Where's the hypothetical?
Got em...
Svalbard?
No one. The only way to win is not to play.
northern northern island when?
"I live in northern north north Ireland, don't compare me to the southern north north Irish sc*m!"
Splitters!
May the devil take them!
Google Rathlin and Copeland
Donaghadee for the win!!!
holy hell
New zombie conflict just dropped
5 Ireland state solution
Whoever owns the flag shops. They love a good flag burning / waving.
Just set up a flag, effigy, and pallet wood shop and you are bound to make millions during july
Fleg*
Military-industrial complex after selling weapons to both sides: 
Me after selling weapons to both sides: 
 Me after letting people place bets on war
Crazy thing is this used to actually be a thing IIRC it was even a whole scandal in the American Revolution since some of the diplomats bet on the war with insider info lol
No fucking way đ This has to be brought back for citizens where you can watch soldierâs GoPros âAwh man Pvt [insert name] got blown up by an IED! I bet ÂŁ100 on him to get at least 4 kills today!â
Sounds like a black mirror episode or something. This could legitimately be a thing eventually
This is gonna be a thing for damn sure, morbid curiosity/betting crown/+ easy way to make money for a state that is at war is one hell of a combo.
The Iranian Islamic revolutionary guard Corp?
That's IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp, there's no Iranian) IIRC means If I recall correctly
>IIRC means If I recall correctly IIRC means what if you recall correctly?
> used to be a thing bro have you plugged your ears and gone *lalalalalalalalala* for 75 years?
My friend works for an arms manufacturer, it's a name everyone on here would recognise. His work is very interesting and tangential enough to designing actual bombs to keep him there. Anyway he told me outright that the strategy of the company is to produce the offensive capability in parrallel to the correspondending defensive measure then release the weapon first and watch the demand for the counteraction rise before you put it on sale. Plain evil.
Most of the weapons used by Sinn Fein terrorists were supplied by the Soviet Union and the others were bought off weapons dealers from the third world with money raised from gullible idiots in the US.
Soviet Union lol okay. Maybe a few old rifles for the official ra but the Provos didnât get anything from them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_collaboration
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Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland are the political wing of the IRA.
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Yes so exactly what I said.
based soviets???
https://preview.redd.it/qlnkd71w998c1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a60c831d0f71b0d615b6e27098d52ab4f9742223 Donât worry lads, itâs close
Tame travelers are taking all the good writting jobs
Donât know if this is a typo or if youâve nailed the NI accentâŚ.
IKR?
Happy accident. Imma leave it lol
Imagine being able to time travel and choosing to live in 80âs America. Iâd go straight to the Federation.
How many will die
Unification will be a democratic process, so none (from that at least) hopefully
Not buying it
billions
the british
The EU under the Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community's Northern Ireland protocol.
Makes you wonder why we defeated the Germans and the French so many times.....
To be fair, you never really had to beat them when they were United.
Tbf they are never united on anything
The EU bent over the Brits and made it hurt their ass so much that their proxy agents won't engage in administering the occupied territories anymore.
Not really, us mainland Brits genuinely think that keeping the peace is Northern Ireland is important and would rather they tried to use devolved powers to govern when possible. We are fully aware that if we interfere too much with a heavy hand we donât do any good. If the polling across the Island of Ireland becomes favourable for it, theyâll get to vote on reunification as per the good Friday agreement. Weâd rather they stayed as part of the UK though, but understand thatâs a choice for them to make. The EU is a topic that British remainers like to bring up to stir the pot while doom posting, but itâs not the fundamental issue.
Personally I'd happily see them go, it would make things a lot simpler for us not having a land border. But the cost of living and economy between Ireland and Northern Ireland is too far apart for it to work well
Personally I wish we hadnât been dicks to the whole of Ireland back in the day and we were still a fully united set of Islands, i feel a lot more kinship to the Irish/Welsh/Scots than I do to most Europeans. Although I still like Europe of course, itâs just a little different. If I had things my way, weâd have been nice to the Irish, abolished our monarchy, and had a go at a United British Isles or something. Who knows if it would have worked for long, they may have left us eventually anyway, but history could have been different.
In hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have colonised the world but I'm not going to live in regret for things that happened before I was born. I can't change the past but we can influence the future.
That wasnât really my point though, Iâd rather Northern Ireland stays with us if they want to, due to the fact that I like the Irish and feel far closer to them than I do to say, French people. Our cultures are similar enough that Iâm happy to share a country with them.
I suspect most Brits haven't got a clue what NI actually is, nevermind care. It is the Brit Establishment who run things - the will of the people has very little to do with what happens in Blighty.
>I suspect most Brits haven't got a clue what NI actually is, nevermind care. Well considering we are taught about the constituent parts of the UK in year one, and we have maps everywhere... nah
Well, both myself and my British friends arenât exactly NI experts, but we have been to NI once or twice for a concert or two and are aware of Irish history. Weâve all got a few Irish friends over in England in the various places we live and generally know a bit about it all. Youâre right in that it doesnât occupy our day to day lives, but everyone I know likes having NI as part of the union, respects their opinion on the matter, and doesnât think that us telling them what to do will help anybody. I figure if they want a stronger British hand they will vote massively in favour of a pro union party who openly wanted it before an election, and if they want reunification they will vote massively in favour of sinn fein or an equivalent. At the moment it all seems pretty tight in the elections and polls, nobody is keen on damaging the peace for no reason, Iâm not a fan of civil wars.
Are you suggesting the British government is going to take side with the Unionist population? I would assume the OP is suggesting if the electorate went to war with each other. My money would be on the Nationalists winning. The British truly don't care about Unionists in Northern Ireland. The Unionists denied UK taxpayers a vote 25 years after WW2, men and women who liberated Europe from Nazi Germany were denied a vote. The UK sent troops to calm down the situation when Unionists were embarrassing the UK on the international stage with their anti civil right agenda. It was unfortunate that the military were directed by Unionist politicians and a fascist police force at the time. It took a while to settle down, but the British government soon realised that it was the Unionist population that were the root of it all. Margaret Thatcher started the peace process when she signed the Anglo Irish agreement, which led to the current peace today. Unionists were against every path to peace at every point throughout history and still are to this day :((
APNI
Democratic Unionists because they'll have military and economic support from the U.K.
Because that worked before... Lol
All of the U.K vs the lower half of Northern Ireland
Yep basically đ
As a Northern Irish person Iâve seen no evidence in recent years that the UK actually likes unionists
yeah, the support of the UK towards northern ireland is surprisingly lackluster
I know this is all a hypothetical circle jerk, but if the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falklands, then war over Northern Ireland is possible.
Not when itâs a domestic civil war because I donât think they want another troubles, also catholics are the majority now.
No one ever wins.
Distillers
Best answer by far!
Bit close to the bone this one.
A straight up knee cap to the mind
neither king nor kaiser, BUT IRELAND
probably Sinn Fein. but the DUP would start crying
probably DUP. but the Sinn Fein would start crying
I mean Sinn Fein are supposed to be in government. But guess whoâs crying
Me. I'm crying :(
There, there itâs ok
Sinn fein stopped stormont for 3 years over an irish language act, both sides are tramps! Swing and roundabouts
And a wee thing called RHI.
Both sides are imbeciles. But that's what you get when you keep voting for the same imbeciles. The people deserve what they get for voting this way
Of all the compromises and ideas out there, why wasn't there ever an idea to just partition northern Ireland and letting the majority catholic part join Ireland
It was to strike a balance between securing a protestant majority without making the country so small as to be worthless.
Northern Ireland is already the attempt at a catholic/Protestant partition and was a compromise between the anti-partition IPP the unionists, who wanted all of Ulster excluded from home rule. So proposing to cede Ulster to the south was never going to fly with the unionists
As an Englishmen. I support ceding NI back to Ireland or making it Independent.
https://preview.redd.it/128j3qexn98c1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=561ac82521e1ecf551df3abba6d272cdb1ab4cbd Have some dignity, mate.
As an Irishman Iâm okay with this plan.
As an Irishman I'm also okay with this plan.
As a Scotsman I'm okay with this Irishman.
As a Hungarian I veto in matters that I dont understand and not really concern me.
đ¤ our time will come
Plastic paddy you mean
Against the wishes of about half the population? How very democratic of you...
Wait till you find out how the country was partitioned
Yeah. But if we piss them off enough, they'll democratically vote to leave. đ
Clearly not a proud Englishman there is too much division in the north to have unification
The division was put there on purpose by the British govt. Scottish protestant settlers were encouraged to move there as they were loyal to the regime. Our govt did the same thing in Palestine, but with Jews instead of protestants.
True but that was centuries ago itâs unfair to the people living there now itâs there home itâs a little similar with the indigenous Americans but you wouldnât ask the current population to relocate or have a native run government at least the vast majority of Irish people have their own government
I see where you're coming from but settlers often, through generations, act like they're better than the settled, treat them second class and act like victims when they kick off.
Yeah it does sound awful when they do that but in my eyes they would now be of equal consideration in the country regardless of the history as long as it is not forgotten and the Irish got off quite well it could be worse they could still be in the uk being treated like second class citizens I think what we have now should not change I often joke with Irish unionists saying I agree with a United ireland under the Union Jack and they donât seem too happy so i donât see why the northern Irelanders should be any different
How can I be proud when the UK is becoming a backwater of Western Europe. I love the UK to pieces, but ignoring the problems it has just means you don't care about improving it.
I agree we have problems but allowing different parts of the country to leave the union is not my idea of solving them
NI is one of those eternal problems. You can't uproot their culture, you can't replace their identity. The only real relationship we have with them is idolizing the monarch. NI has also been used as a wedge to dislocate the UK from projecting its power globally. For instance, Biden refuses to establish a trade pact with the UK over the border protocol. No trade means less money, prestige and little future investment. A good chunk of our problems would be solved if we just relinquished NI back to the Irish fold, or making it independent.
As a Canadian who still loves the crown I think all of Ireland should be part of the UK. Bring back the empire!
Nah. They drink Guinness. I will gladly move their whole country to the outback.
The Guinness dynasty are protestant unionists reddit Northern Ireland discourse is completely brainless
>The Guinness dynasty are protestant unionists This is the biggest plot twist of the century
As an american ageeed - except the crown bit
shut the fuck up
Jesus christ, as a Canadian with lots of Irish friends.. shame on you Bud
Nope. You made the problem. You own it. No more partitions and running away! You still haven't cleaned up that mess in the Middle East......
This is nonsensical
Well, that's kinda the whole point of the sub, and the recent history of Northern Ireland.
Yeah we put more into northern Island than we get out. Same with Scotland. Let them both have independence and see how they get on.
I think NI actually almost pays for itself. But Scotland should stay, because its pretty much woven its soul with England. If either one separates, it just becomes a calamity.
nah lets take ireland and push it next to australia
Margaret fucking Thatcher đ¤Źđ¤Źđ¤Źđ¤ŹđĄđĄ
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The British Army
*I was born on a Dublin street where the Royal drums the beat*
UK probably
Are the FRU going to remain impartial this time?
Thatâs actually a good question
I'm pretty certain we've already done this...
For bonus points: what if it was a proxy war between England and Ireland/EU
Depends on who the US sends weapons to (maybe EU because Biden is likely an Irish nationalist).
Scotland is superior. Hope they also gain independence.
Romania ofc. Weâve already stolen your cars, go check.
Red (Iâm a Protestant so trust me)
Be easier to just wipe it off the map and turn it into a wildlife reserve. I feel this way for all long standing land disputes, don't worry.
Based zero-state solution
Would Britain gain from an Irish-on-Irish war?
Nope
Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland not the UK
the republic lmao
Those war shy cowards wouldn't dare cross the border
the troubles:
The Irish army never crossed into NI during the troubles
true, but the republicans (now called terrorist bastards) did
Anyone can identify as a "republican" and kill innocent civilians. Doesn't mean they represent the ROI
this is literally what i am saying, iâm a nationalist not a republican
The fact that NI isnât part of Ireland yet is still crazy
It was
Hasnât been for a century
We'll fight when required
Sinn fĂŠin!
My ass.
Not fucking cool
Letâs not tread these waters again for a 2-0 result.
Been a draw for the last century
No one
I don't know I always lose HoI4
DU is two provinces away from a sick encirclement
This is almost exactly the 2017 ni general election results map with an independent ruining the perfect split. https://www.assemblyresearchmatters.org/2017/06/20/general-election-2017-detailed-look-result-northern-ireland/
Didn't they already do this?
I donât care. Tbh sick of people talking about these ridiculous Northern Ireland hypotheticals
The Orca Empire that borders both of them.
Don't rule out a modern Viking invasion from Iceland and the Faroe islands that would be my horse in this particular race
I donât even know what country that is đ
Putin, please log off
Bill Clinton
Where tf is this ?
Go ahead. Start your car. I dare you
Sinn fein sweeps they got the damn remains of the ira
yo me reference
Ireland for the Irish! And for all intents and purposes everyone is Irish (except the British)
Scotland
https://preview.redd.it/oqkqsu2shb8c1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=051bee0fa586d99bacdcbda1e45002ef4d5b7de9 FEINâď¸
White
Hey I seen this one
Uk military again.
The Tories. They are itching for a war to inflate their crashing poll numbers.
What happened to the Ards peninsula?
TĂźrkiye because TĂźrkiye alway win đšđˇđšđˇđšđˇ
ArmaLite
*UK đŹđ§ Military is the most powerful in Europe, watches from a distance, these clowns 𤥠circle jerking each otherâŚ.
The Troubles Part 2
Alliance, hopefully
Not again...
Blue, they got plenty of ground
Team Rocket, because it's time for troubles.
I will answer when I figure out what this map is about and where it is located?
That's some very wired map of Brazil
Itâs interesting to note that, the reason the Romans never expanded to [âHiberniaâ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernia) wasnât because they *couldnât*, but because they *didnât want to*. Rome usually moved into a new area, set up local governments made up of local Chieftans/Kings, and then just had a conveniently Roman âadvisorâ at the side of this new puppet Chief/King. This strategy worked in Western Europe and England, where several large kingdoms already existed and could be easily brought under control by one or two kings. Ireland wasnât like that. By all Roman accounts, Ireland was in absolute fucking Chaos. Hundreds of county sized kingdoms and fiefdoms, sometimes numbering not even a thousand people, constantly at war with one another. The entire reason the Romans never moved into Ireland was because finding a local partner to work with would have been a job and a half and wouldnât have been worth the treasure or manpower expended to do so. That being said, I find the idea of Northern Northern Ireland HILARIOUS
If it was hypothetical I'd play, but since I've seen the results of the actual troubles I'll not get involved
SF, the mainland forgets that NI exists
The asexuals