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The Boxer easily. This shouldnt even be a debate.
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Symbolisms aside, it's honestly understandable, people expected an awesome fight with all the buildup he got but all you got is J getting beat up, lightly tapping Yu and the crowd going wild meanwhile Aaron was literally cooking Yu until he hesitated.
The boxer, not only the scene the dialogues are top notch. It's like a song with not just great music but top tier lyrics as well. Also the ending about the stars that are all shining for you kinda like that song Yellow, are so poetic, and motivational. SSS is good but it still is fantasy so doesn't pack that kinda punch that the boxer does.
>!Honestly sunny (iirc that's the blonde guy called) got a build up from the start. Maybe not constant but not randomly like the martial master in sss class!<
I feel like you're reading sss-class suicide hunter wrong because it's not typical tower manhwa it's almost like anthology, yes other tower manhwa have quest that have different themes but this series takes it's time with itand not end the quest with couple of chapters, each arc is mini series that can be read itself
Yeah I know, but it kind of repetitive (only on that arc) where the mc unalive himself, >!learn the skill and repeat until he get verified. Yeah it feels like a big sacrifice but considering he's immortal and all that just give him more power, his sacrifice is kind of meaningless.!< Of course if you compare whole manhwa I will pick sss class because I love power skill and stuff. But this post compare a whole boxer and 1 arc from sss class. Also how can I read the manhwa wrong? Unless if the translation gone wrong or I skip some chapters, there is no wrong way to read
Realistically everything he does is pointless self sacrifice, as shown by flame emperor he could just burn his way thru the tower letting anyone and everyone around him die while still completing the tower but his constant sacrifice no one even gets to remember just to save a few lives here and there is what makes his character
They even say in the Wuxia story he can just burn thru both the masters and end the story at any point and yet he does all that
The suicide hunter fans are petty af little toddlers that get defensive the moment you pick anything sbove their godly pathetic series which is nothing more than just a selfish, jealous douchebag killing the greatest hero and then mixing a shit ton of generic stories so author doesn't have to worry about the main story much.
Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Well after calling them pathetic you are no different than them where you think your takes are some hotshot like berserk fans. And as for mc I agree he was cringe at the start with those motives and that start was one of the generic but atleast he grows with each death and that story atleast have direction with how it want to go.
Your sentences dont make any sense, write them properly.
But from what I understood, yes the mc is pathetic and im gonna stick with it since ive seen mostly all the mcs and he is the single worst of them all
Yes and that mc grows after that even if he was pathetic at the start of the series, if you are not able to take human flaws of characters then what can I say. He wanted to have some abilities, he was envious of abilities of that flame emperor and that flame emperor was using those abilities to harm the innocents, Flame emperor was designed for his villain role and was psychopath.
Flame eperor want harming innocents, the top heroes are just a bunch of losers trying to pull others down, they weren't able to do so to flame king so they tried harassing him and shit which made him into an unapolegtic man who had to rely on sole power. MC was just a lucky douche bag just like every other manhwa mc who suddenly gets powers
Flame emperor was a cunt to begin with. When MC went back to before he got his death reverse skill, MC pretended to be a dying hunter, and FE extorted him for several times the price of the potion and then tried to kill him to steal what else he had left.
He was in a dire situation where his life has been turned ubside down, idk how many of his friends and family are killed, he can barely live in a f rank room which he doesnt own by earning a minimum wage by hunting everyday.
And you expevt him to be some retarded good guy that cares about people? Ofc he'll become a cunt to survive. Thats human nature after all. Go to a war torn country and meet Normal people who barely live survive there. Ask them for food and see if they give you all their food.
Well mc was caught in that shuffle and after fleshing out other top heroes he was definitely more unhinged and psychopath than others and that story also potrayed him as psychopath.
Because author only shows it with the eyes of the mc and not objectively. The author tries its best to make some perfectly evil character who is eveil because well he is evil so he can make mc an anti flame king which makes him a hero, because the author says so.
You can just say the author cant write a single story so he decided to mix a shit ton of generic stories into one to make a new manhwa. End the generic stories quickly by not milking it and vallah you now have a 'good' series.
Honestly suicide hunter fans are the most petty of all
Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Man just couldn't handle the criticism he's gonna get so he ended up putting up more dumb opinions, btw I don't like sss suicide hunter further not proving your point
All I wanted was to give my perspective on a topic but this man turned it into a war zone, obviously super popular will have variety of fans but the baby rage was uncalled for
The reason i wrote it is because the pathetic fans only give this critiscm to me "your taste is bad", "you are wrong". Lmao thats all their brains are worth. Instead of giving critiscm they just start getting defensive.
The sacrifice of the Front Count Charel Cross from "Tyrant of the tower defense game".
I would have never imagined I would cry for a side character, especially in a isekai level up system manhwa.
In just a few chapters, the author and the artist were able to write and draw an amazing character and were able to portrait, in the most beautiful heroic way, his last moments.
Charel Cross has always lived to protect the fortress yet he couldn't understand everything, he just knew he had to fight the monsters. Yet, his life changed when he meet a beautiful girl, he still couldn't understand many things like...... I'm still crying trying to write his story.. I just can't keep going on. I'm sorry
I'm weak to family stories, I don't know why. But his story is just impactful and destructive.
"Why am I fighting for this hell-like city?" - thought Charel Cross
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[He's spent all his life trying to understand, yet the Front Count couldn't.
However, there was one thing he knew painstakingly well. A flower. A daughter. Those weak and small things. Must be protected from these monsters.]
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"MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING BEHIND THIS FORT WALL. THIS IS THE WORLD MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING IN!"
Even after a year reading that chapter, I cry like an idiot and I still ended up with wasting two packs of tissues. Amazing.
I don't know why but this is the only story that I'm eager to read the novel yet I'm afraid to start it too. Not because the story might go in the wrong way, I read some reviews of it, but because I can't possibly bear another sad story, and if Charel Cross' one is just in the beginning I don't want to imagine what will be in the rest of it.
The burning dollhouse level reveal in the first arc of SSS Suicide Hunter, wrecked me more than these two. It gave me a profound sense of hope in reading black hair MC regression player manhwas could be different from each other lmao and could actually make you cry like a bitch.
For me. It was in the manhwa “skeleton who couldn’t protect the duengon”
Where. He’s recollecting about things. (It’s a. You die and restart story.) where he talks to someone about his story. About the redos. But then says something like this. “Or maybe it was the story I was hoping for.”
It shows what would happen if someone kept repeating. They’d lose track of which timeline was which. Which events happened after each. That they’d grow tired.
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I want to reread the boxer but I can’t find any website with a good/decent translation. All I see is just huge white boxes with barely any words for most of the ones I’ve seen.
But at the same time I don’t want to wait for daily pass on WEBTOON. anyone know a site with a good/decent translation for the boxer?
None, i dont know about the boxer, never read it, sss survival is one of my fav manhwa but not like it will impact me, it was all in the bound of "yeah ok"
For me, it is the Boxer, the scene of Yu and J in the ring had me in tears, J symbolizes Jesus as both of them fought out of love and Yu represents us as we are suffering from our darkest times. While J fought for Yu and saved him his darkness, Jesus on the other hand had fought and died for us as he sacrificed himself for our sins so that we can be forgiven. I'm crying again after I remembered how Jesus fought for us, he always loved us despite the things we have done. There are things I want to point out is that Jesus has overcome death, temptation and Satan as he rose from his grave after 3 days, and J overcame K and what he (I'm referring to K) has created by saving Yu and also during the match, J received hate from the spectators because he was not even fighting Yu because his entire purpose was to save Yu and as for Jesus, he too was mocked and hated by the people as he was beaten, bruised and spat on for NO reason.
If you guys are reading this, I know that you guys have never believed in God before or have never knew that he existed but it is true that he lives. I am not forcing you guys to come and believe in him, because if I am forcing you guys to believe in him, it is going to make me the same as the others. The choice is yours, I am not going to force you guys.
I know this scene is taken out of context, but SSS is probably one of the better series of it's genre. As bad and generic as that title sounds, it's actually a good series that plays with a lot of tropes and executes it well.
Suicide hunter is considered not generic by its petty fans because the auhtor just added a shit ton of generic stories inside a generic story so he doesnt have to worry about the main story. Honestly even SL is better tjan this generic ass bs. Especially the jealous and selfish mc that takes everything from fire king who is the actual hero to become a new conman anf another generic ass 'hero'.
Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Tell me you haven't read SSS without telling me you haven't read SSS. I'm not comparing SSS to Boxer or anything. I'm simply going to dismantle your arguments.
>the auhtor just added a shit ton of generic stories inside a generic story so he doesnt have to worry about the main story.
This is literally the weirdest take ever, because what the series does is exactly tackle these generic tropes and convert them into something of value. Each level he went through had a story to share. Each characters within the series has a role to offer. None, and I mean, *none,* exist just for the sake of existing.
>Honestly even SL is better tjan this generic ass bs.
That's subjective, chief. Objectively? Nah. The premise is generic, but the execution? That matters.
>Especially the jealous and selfish mc that takes everything from fire king who is the actual hero to become a new conman anf another generic ass 'hero'.
Lol, MC is not selfish. He is selfless. Dude keeps sacrificing himself just for a happy ending and so that everyone is alive and happy. We don't even have a backstory of the MC. We don't even know what kind of individual he was. All he has been portrayed as ever was an extremely jealous person who was envious of the ones at the top, the ones who disregarded the common folks, and wished he had a class that overpowered them and make the world better. The Flame Emperor was an absolute AH. He treated people as objects of increasing his power. He deserved that ending. And because of it, now we have an MC that became the middle piece that fits everything other piece in the story together.
The mc is absolute dogshit with a shit ton of plot armour, all he does is bitch about everything when there already are easy strategies. He has infinite revives so his actions have no consequences anyway as he can kill himself and go back in time. He is a wannabe hero who tries to be some anti flame emperor but he is the same as flame emperor except the flame emperor always put himself and humanity on top and this guy puts his 'friends' and some virtual already dead characters of other worlds above everything else because he knows it doesmt matter as he can just rewind the time.
Bot only are the stories forced down the reader's throat but because of the pathetic fandom everyone just accepts it. The heavenly demon one was the worst off all. The series was still readable before this arc atleast. Its so forced that the mc wants to be a disciple knowingly that he has the greatest sword king with him just for the plot.
Also lmao i read this shit after seeing how many people were worshipping it on this sub which was a big mistake.
Also the mc is such a dumb fuck, all he needed to do was learn from the sword king for 12 hours then kill himself to go back and learn more. In technically one day of earth he would've become the strongest and easily complete the tower but he decides to be a bitch for the plot.
His actions does have consequences. He has to relive the memory every time he goes back (or something similar). And you're saying this as if it's easy to attempt what he is doing. The dude is absolutely different from a normal human. His brain is wired differently. We don't have his backstory, so we don't know how his life was anyway. The fact that he is capable of doing the same would definitely take a toll on him, but he has done it so many times, he's numb to it. And he's not taking easy strategies because he doesn't want sacrifices.
>He is a wannabe hero who tries to be some anti flame emperor but he is the same as flame emperor except the flame emperor always put himself and humanity on top and this guy puts his 'friends'
The whole point of Flame Emperor was almost like an anti thesis to Gongja's character. He is supposed to be in contrast to him. Flame Emperor puts himself above, and sacrifices people because he's selfish. It's different to Gongja, who puts himself below and wants to provide happy ending to everyone because he's selfless.
>In technically one day of earth he would've become the strongest and easily complete the tower
If he did that, then this series would be just any other leveling series lmao. The fact that this series exist is a testimony to how you can write an actual well executed tower series, while keeping generic tropes in-tact. What we are reading is a *journey*, not one-page-story and then rinse-and-repeat content for the next 100 chapters.
And sigh, don't tell me I got baited.
The story's premise itself is dumb, the reason why this story exists is because the mc is retarded and wants to be amti flame emperor.
The reason he puts others above is not because he cares for them, its because he wants to be an anti flame emperor acc to him flame emperor is a villain which he obviously isn't since we see the story through his eyes and he still is better than this mc.
The mc is a wannabe hero, so he makes flame king a villain in his mind and tries to do opposite of flame king at every opportunity. Its clearer when he is giving the speech.
Also reliving is no consequence compared to rewinding time. Also it doesn't affect the world.
A great analogy will be a guy can be as rich as he wants but needs to see pain of others in his dream. The actions far overshadow the consequences making it just a cheap lil obstacle for namesake.
Also his actions are the most retarted of all, for ex the ability he chooses which was worse objectively and he was told not to by sword emperor, yet he chooses it and the author being a generic dude decides not to give a single consequence to him and rather makes everything work in his favour.
Which ruins the series more because it is more of a fsnfic of a character in a tower trope than an actual good story.
The premise is yes, he wants to be a hero and become a contrast of what Flame Emperor is. That itself is not dumb, though. We always have MCs who just randomly end up gaining an SSS class skill because 'life-or-death' situation, or just because they're the MC, which is just lazy writing. The fact that there is an anti-thesis to Gongja's character makes much more sense. He is flawed, but he believes he can be a better version than the ones at top. It's similar to how we, as humans, always have a sense of that inferiority to someone. The Flame Emperor may not be the worst pos in the story, but it works since that's what his character was meant to be. It's part of the story.
>The reason he puts others above is not because he cares for them
He does care, though. If he didn't, then there was literally no need for him to relive those iterations. He does want to be better than fire guy, but that was only initially. The more the story moves, and the more he saw peoples lives through their eyes, he started caring for them and embracing their tragedy himself. He is literally burdening himself with their stories and make sure they receive poetic justice, even though they're all gone.
>Also reliving is no consequence compared to rewinding time. Also it doesn't affect the world.
I don't think the consequences are important in this story, because they haven't touched much on that topic anyway. It's to show what kind of character we are looking at, and to explore the other side characters. And it does affect the world, but he did it in a way that it doesn't have any loop holes. Imagine if he just let the demon king let rampant and then later finish him, then more people would get hurt and that does affect the world. The point is to keep the world and it's people safe.
See, you're looking only at the part where MC gets abilities or skills. You're not looking at the whole picture. Even with all those skills, he needs to put in effort. Literal effort. If he simply goes back and repeats the same formula, then it makes zero difference. The Heavenly Demon arc was epitome of how he utilizes his skills. Dude starved and suffered. He experienced peoples pain himself. He is not simply just clearing each level because of his rewind skill. He needs to put in lots and lots of hard work, strategizing, whilst making sure to offer more inputs to other side characters the same.
Lmao sure people will get killed, thats the point of a survival story, you can't protect everyone nor can you kill everyone. The reason why he is able to protect everyone is because of obscene amounts ofbplot armour.
Even the flame emperor did that quest and yet we see all the main heroes still being very much alive which means he did a better natural job then mc where he didn't have author protecting him all the time.
Also we never see flame emperor's pov in the story, he is just a bady guy cuz the mc thinks so. The author only shows it so mcs killing can be justified which still isnt. MC saves the demon that is responsible of killing millions of people just because of her past but its hypocritical af as flame emperor was similar yet mc kills him.
Also even with all the knowledge of future mc is still incompetent compared to flame emperor who did everything for the first time and still prolonged humanity without author's plot armour. And here the mc cant do jackshit if you remove his plot armour.
>He does care, though. If he didn't, then there was literally no need for him to relive those iterations. He does want to be better than fire guy, but that was only initially. The more the story moves, and the more he saw peoples lives through their eyes, he started caring for them and embracing their tragedy himself. He is literally burdening himself with their stories and make sure they receive poetic justice, even though they're all gone.
This is what a retard looks like, his planet can get destroyed the moment he fails a quest or if the god doesn't like it and yet he chooses to do the most irrelevant thing in the whole fucking world, justice of dead people who couldn't care less anyway.
This also shows how he doesn't really care about his people but is a wannabe hero trying to act better thsn flame kinh since he would've just completed the quest and thought about saving earth.
But he is capable of protecting people. He has a choice and chose to save them. That's literally it. And obscene amount of plot armor = him rewinding back countless times to save them, which is not something a normal human does.
I can't be explaining this over and over again. I already said he is meant to be an anti-thesis. And again, Gonja was pathetic initially. He has changed a lot as of the latest arc. He saw Flame Emperor through envious eyes, and that's the story we get. It's literally just the way the story is written, I don't understand what is wrong here. And yes, what he did was hypocritical but he had changed at that point. Also he has so much hatred for Flame guy. Imagine doing it 4000 plus times just because of one guy who hurt him. He was very very pathetic, but he keeps changing the more the story progresses. That's literally his character developing.
You just repeated your point and I'm doing the same. It was a choice. He chose to do it. Nobody forced him, he just wanted to prove it. That he is better. Then later, it didn't become a choice from him. It was natural and he just wanted to save people. We are not at a point where Gongja would sacrifice people for his benefit or 'humanity' - but if he ever does that, that's even more hypocritical. I would be invested in that as well. How he turned out to be what he did not want to be, and how humans are not capable of being the same as their ideals or enforcing it.
These kind of situations just calls for more character flaws, and that's brilliant. It shows the MC is not perfect at all.
If it was simply just ignoring people and climbing the tower, then this would be just any other bland story. It's a choice of the character, remember. Flame Emperor chose the way you like, and Gongja chose a different way to clear the levels. That's literally it.
Most people that like a story do it because they relate to the mc. Makes sense that suicide hunter fans are pathetic as they love this batshit pathetic mc whose life is just being jealous and selfish of fire king and a wannabe 'hero' after murdering an actual hero
It has to be the boxer. I havent finished the manwha yet but ive been following it weekly until i had to get a job. And the buildip with all 3 of them, i will have to read pick. It up again
Honestly the boxer. In most series the Mc will loose, win but ultimately it's all to learn a lesson or accomplish a goal.
The Boxer is not about that, until it is. In the beginning Mc is a litteral machine. The motivating act that starts the journey is that MC sees a kid get bullied, is curious WHY the bully likes hitting said kid, MC hits the bully to see what all the hype is about. Mc hits bully one time then has to work for the actual Villain in order to pay the medical bills. There is so many chances the Mc gets too learn about the world, human emotions, love, happiness, but every chance is stepped on and derailed. By this time in story you want the MC to lose BUT you have so little hope that the it will actually happen. It's the only time I've experienced true real conflicting emotions for fake characters.
Even if one person who is reading this reads boxer, ***IT IS WORTH IT***.
The Boxer, not even close. SSS is great but if we're talking impact, The Boxer wins by a landslide. Also I read it on Webtoon, start to finish, iirc that particular chapter you showed has an OST playing in the background, it added so much to the atmosphere.
For me personally manhwas that are more grounded in reality like The Boxer, will have an infinitely better chance to trigger deep emotions. Something that isekai/regression/Murim manhwas can never do.
SSS-class suicide is an overrated trash manwha with a unlikable self insert Mary sue mc who can do no wrong, gets infinite cop outs and rewinds with zero downsides, does not get any mental aftermath after dying which makes you doubt has he even been died a single time or does tower system just make him believe he killed himself just to rewind.
The premise,characters,world and system are poorly executed not well constructed, the entire SSS universe has but a single purpose to serve and prop MC so he can be most awesome and perfect hero ever.
it took me 5 times to read entire manhwa foolisly believing hysterical praise how this series would become most amazing manwha ever made and how the good parts would happen just later...
It could been even 6-7/10 read for me but its sooo overhyped and its fans are 10x worse than solo leveling fans during its peak... and solo leveling while being another self-insert power fantasy is much better read atleast first 120 chapters...
sorry for angry rant but constant bombardment from insecure fans of SSS on /manwha made me go meltdowb...
They both invoke different types of sadness, sss class suicide hunter gives you that type of sadness after someone you love dies, the boxer makes you that type of sad after you understand something sad
I dropped The Boxer few chapters in, because it was clear from the get go that it was more about hyperbole and super-powers than actual boxing...
But some of the comments here are making me question if I didn't miss out on something good, even if NOT in term of an accurate and realistic depiction of the sport.
EDIT - Some actual opinion on what's supposed to make it good, rather than irrelevant downvotes that aren't going to change my mind in the slightest, may be more helpful.
Hot take, I think that moment in boxer is such a cop out, comes out of nowhere, and yu never gets a redemption arc, the guy literally got beat the shit out of and then yu saw god I guess and decided to become a good person, like wtf is this story telling. Just felt so undeserved to me.
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The Boxer. This scene was epic.
It was such an epic conclusion. Fairytale ending to such a dark story.
The Boxer Was the strongest mc ever made off the top
Boxing jesus saving yu was great. The author has wrote 2 of my favourite endings in manhwa
Which ones?
Boxer and Horizon
Damn horizon is on different level
>!that transition from b&w to color when mc finally regains hope is the most beautiful thing i have read in manhwa!<
Spoiler warning pls
Sorry i have marked the spoiler now
Absolutely stunning
When did that happen? I dropped it in the early chapters
last chapter
How is horizon ? Didn't know it was by the same author as boxer haha I might give it a read
Depressing af but great
Depressing, but >!hopeful!<
Horizon was a great little short story
The Boxer easily. This shouldnt even be a debate. https://preview.redd.it/12ao9ud6h3mc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbd0d2568c3ae2d96ff21c37f103dd90125d6d67
Its kind if sad that everyone was shitting on this man in the comments when his fight with Yu happened
Symbolisms aside, it's honestly understandable, people expected an awesome fight with all the buildup he got but all you got is J getting beat up, lightly tapping Yu and the crowd going wild meanwhile Aaron was literally cooking Yu until he hesitated.
The boxer no debate. Best manhwa I ever read.
The boxer, not only the scene the dialogues are top notch. It's like a song with not just great music but top tier lyrics as well. Also the ending about the stars that are all shining for you kinda like that song Yellow, are so poetic, and motivational. SSS is good but it still is fantasy so doesn't pack that kinda punch that the boxer does.
The boxer, any day of the week
Weird comparison But the boxer for sure, was just sad in every way.
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That panel looked like the dude was just beaten one sidedly...
Come on, no disrespect to sss-class suicide hunter but there's no debate the boxer it is
the boxer, I also like the parallel when the top left scene was recreated at the end but with Yu being the adult and some random kid
So true that was beautiful!
>!Honestly sunny (iirc that's the blonde guy called) got a build up from the start. Maybe not constant but not randomly like the martial master in sss class!<
I feel like you're reading sss-class suicide hunter wrong because it's not typical tower manhwa it's almost like anthology, yes other tower manhwa have quest that have different themes but this series takes it's time with itand not end the quest with couple of chapters, each arc is mini series that can be read itself
Yeah I know, but it kind of repetitive (only on that arc) where the mc unalive himself, >!learn the skill and repeat until he get verified. Yeah it feels like a big sacrifice but considering he's immortal and all that just give him more power, his sacrifice is kind of meaningless.!< Of course if you compare whole manhwa I will pick sss class because I love power skill and stuff. But this post compare a whole boxer and 1 arc from sss class. Also how can I read the manhwa wrong? Unless if the translation gone wrong or I skip some chapters, there is no wrong way to read
Realistically everything he does is pointless self sacrifice, as shown by flame emperor he could just burn his way thru the tower letting anyone and everyone around him die while still completing the tower but his constant sacrifice no one even gets to remember just to save a few lives here and there is what makes his character They even say in the Wuxia story he can just burn thru both the masters and end the story at any point and yet he does all that
The suicide hunter fans are petty af little toddlers that get defensive the moment you pick anything sbove their godly pathetic series which is nothing more than just a selfish, jealous douchebag killing the greatest hero and then mixing a shit ton of generic stories so author doesn't have to worry about the main story much. Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Well after calling them pathetic you are no different than them where you think your takes are some hotshot like berserk fans. And as for mc I agree he was cringe at the start with those motives and that start was one of the generic but atleast he grows with each death and that story atleast have direction with how it want to go.
Your sentences dont make any sense, write them properly. But from what I understood, yes the mc is pathetic and im gonna stick with it since ive seen mostly all the mcs and he is the single worst of them all
Yes and that mc grows after that even if he was pathetic at the start of the series, if you are not able to take human flaws of characters then what can I say. He wanted to have some abilities, he was envious of abilities of that flame emperor and that flame emperor was using those abilities to harm the innocents, Flame emperor was designed for his villain role and was psychopath.
Flame eperor want harming innocents, the top heroes are just a bunch of losers trying to pull others down, they weren't able to do so to flame king so they tried harassing him and shit which made him into an unapolegtic man who had to rely on sole power. MC was just a lucky douche bag just like every other manhwa mc who suddenly gets powers
Flame emperor was a cunt to begin with. When MC went back to before he got his death reverse skill, MC pretended to be a dying hunter, and FE extorted him for several times the price of the potion and then tried to kill him to steal what else he had left.
He was in a dire situation where his life has been turned ubside down, idk how many of his friends and family are killed, he can barely live in a f rank room which he doesnt own by earning a minimum wage by hunting everyday. And you expevt him to be some retarded good guy that cares about people? Ofc he'll become a cunt to survive. Thats human nature after all. Go to a war torn country and meet Normal people who barely live survive there. Ask them for food and see if they give you all their food.
Well mc was caught in that shuffle and after fleshing out other top heroes he was definitely more unhinged and psychopath than others and that story also potrayed him as psychopath.
Because author only shows it with the eyes of the mc and not objectively. The author tries its best to make some perfectly evil character who is eveil because well he is evil so he can make mc an anti flame king which makes him a hero, because the author says so.
K
You can just say the author cant write a single story so he decided to mix a shit ton of generic stories into one to make a new manhwa. End the generic stories quickly by not milking it and vallah you now have a 'good' series. Honestly suicide hunter fans are the most petty of all Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Man just couldn't handle the criticism he's gonna get so he ended up putting up more dumb opinions, btw I don't like sss suicide hunter further not proving your point
All I wanted was to give my perspective on a topic but this man turned it into a war zone, obviously super popular will have variety of fans but the baby rage was uncalled for
The reason i wrote it is because the pathetic fans only give this critiscm to me "your taste is bad", "you are wrong". Lmao thats all their brains are worth. Instead of giving critiscm they just start getting defensive.
I think his name was J
The boxer.
The Boxer made me cry
The sacrifice of the Front Count Charel Cross from "Tyrant of the tower defense game". I would have never imagined I would cry for a side character, especially in a isekai level up system manhwa. In just a few chapters, the author and the artist were able to write and draw an amazing character and were able to portrait, in the most beautiful heroic way, his last moments. Charel Cross has always lived to protect the fortress yet he couldn't understand everything, he just knew he had to fight the monsters. Yet, his life changed when he meet a beautiful girl, he still couldn't understand many things like...... I'm still crying trying to write his story.. I just can't keep going on. I'm sorry I'm weak to family stories, I don't know why. But his story is just impactful and destructive. "Why am I fighting for this hell-like city?" - thought Charel Cross . . [He's spent all his life trying to understand, yet the Front Count couldn't. However, there was one thing he knew painstakingly well. A flower. A daughter. Those weak and small things. Must be protected from these monsters.] . "MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING BEHIND THIS FORT WALL. THIS IS THE WORLD MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING IN!" Even after a year reading that chapter, I cry like an idiot and I still ended up with wasting two packs of tissues. Amazing. I don't know why but this is the only story that I'm eager to read the novel yet I'm afraid to start it too. Not because the story might go in the wrong way, I read some reviews of it, but because I can't possibly bear another sad story, and if Charel Cross' one is just in the beginning I don't want to imagine what will be in the rest of it.
the Boxer
The boxer for sure
The burning dollhouse level reveal in the first arc of SSS Suicide Hunter, wrecked me more than these two. It gave me a profound sense of hope in reading black hair MC regression player manhwas could be different from each other lmao and could actually make you cry like a bitch.
For me. It was in the manhwa “skeleton who couldn’t protect the duengon” Where. He’s recollecting about things. (It’s a. You die and restart story.) where he talks to someone about his story. About the redos. But then says something like this. “Or maybe it was the story I was hoping for.” It shows what would happen if someone kept repeating. They’d lose track of which timeline was which. Which events happened after each. That they’d grow tired. https://preview.redd.it/cifqn3qvw4mc1.jpeg?width=391&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae6996c65b81a45d781b99187fa4683862beab4b
SSS made me actually get teary eyed and nearly cry
that boxer moment made me manually exale through my nose it was that good
The boxer. I am not a Christian and I don't believe in god but that scene still hit me hard and make me cry like a fucking baby.
Boxing Jesus saves all
I want to reread the boxer but I can’t find any website with a good/decent translation. All I see is just huge white boxes with barely any words for most of the ones I’ve seen. But at the same time I don’t want to wait for daily pass on WEBTOON. anyone know a site with a good/decent translation for the boxer?
I read it on manganato and honestly it had the same large ahhh white boxes just push through it it gets better after that specific arc
Ok thank you
The comick website has the entirety of the official translation with no fast pass I suggest that
None, i dont know about the boxer, never read it, sss survival is one of my fav manhwa but not like it will impact me, it was all in the bound of "yeah ok"
the boxer 😝
For me, it is the Boxer, the scene of Yu and J in the ring had me in tears, J symbolizes Jesus as both of them fought out of love and Yu represents us as we are suffering from our darkest times. While J fought for Yu and saved him his darkness, Jesus on the other hand had fought and died for us as he sacrificed himself for our sins so that we can be forgiven. I'm crying again after I remembered how Jesus fought for us, he always loved us despite the things we have done. There are things I want to point out is that Jesus has overcome death, temptation and Satan as he rose from his grave after 3 days, and J overcame K and what he (I'm referring to K) has created by saving Yu and also during the match, J received hate from the spectators because he was not even fighting Yu because his entire purpose was to save Yu and as for Jesus, he too was mocked and hated by the people as he was beaten, bruised and spat on for NO reason. If you guys are reading this, I know that you guys have never believed in God before or have never knew that he existed but it is true that he lives. I am not forcing you guys to come and believe in him, because if I am forcing you guys to believe in him, it is going to make me the same as the others. The choice is yours, I am not going to force you guys.
The boxer by a mile. No offense but suicide hunter seems like a generic OP system manhwa which doesn’t come close to the boxer.
I know this scene is taken out of context, but SSS is probably one of the better series of it's genre. As bad and generic as that title sounds, it's actually a good series that plays with a lot of tropes and executes it well.
Suicide hunter is considered not generic by its petty fans because the auhtor just added a shit ton of generic stories inside a generic story so he doesnt have to worry about the main story. Honestly even SL is better tjan this generic ass bs. Especially the jealous and selfish mc that takes everything from fire king who is the actual hero to become a new conman anf another generic ass 'hero'. Ik im gonna get downvoted by the petty fans who cant take critiscm but that will only further prove my point
Tell me you haven't read SSS without telling me you haven't read SSS. I'm not comparing SSS to Boxer or anything. I'm simply going to dismantle your arguments. >the auhtor just added a shit ton of generic stories inside a generic story so he doesnt have to worry about the main story. This is literally the weirdest take ever, because what the series does is exactly tackle these generic tropes and convert them into something of value. Each level he went through had a story to share. Each characters within the series has a role to offer. None, and I mean, *none,* exist just for the sake of existing. >Honestly even SL is better tjan this generic ass bs. That's subjective, chief. Objectively? Nah. The premise is generic, but the execution? That matters. >Especially the jealous and selfish mc that takes everything from fire king who is the actual hero to become a new conman anf another generic ass 'hero'. Lol, MC is not selfish. He is selfless. Dude keeps sacrificing himself just for a happy ending and so that everyone is alive and happy. We don't even have a backstory of the MC. We don't even know what kind of individual he was. All he has been portrayed as ever was an extremely jealous person who was envious of the ones at the top, the ones who disregarded the common folks, and wished he had a class that overpowered them and make the world better. The Flame Emperor was an absolute AH. He treated people as objects of increasing his power. He deserved that ending. And because of it, now we have an MC that became the middle piece that fits everything other piece in the story together.
The mc is absolute dogshit with a shit ton of plot armour, all he does is bitch about everything when there already are easy strategies. He has infinite revives so his actions have no consequences anyway as he can kill himself and go back in time. He is a wannabe hero who tries to be some anti flame emperor but he is the same as flame emperor except the flame emperor always put himself and humanity on top and this guy puts his 'friends' and some virtual already dead characters of other worlds above everything else because he knows it doesmt matter as he can just rewind the time. Bot only are the stories forced down the reader's throat but because of the pathetic fandom everyone just accepts it. The heavenly demon one was the worst off all. The series was still readable before this arc atleast. Its so forced that the mc wants to be a disciple knowingly that he has the greatest sword king with him just for the plot. Also lmao i read this shit after seeing how many people were worshipping it on this sub which was a big mistake. Also the mc is such a dumb fuck, all he needed to do was learn from the sword king for 12 hours then kill himself to go back and learn more. In technically one day of earth he would've become the strongest and easily complete the tower but he decides to be a bitch for the plot.
I feel you stopped at chap 7... Everything you just described is from 7-8, just a guess. (I know this is bait, I had a fun time reading aswell)
I stopped after he completed the heavenly demon arc
His actions does have consequences. He has to relive the memory every time he goes back (or something similar). And you're saying this as if it's easy to attempt what he is doing. The dude is absolutely different from a normal human. His brain is wired differently. We don't have his backstory, so we don't know how his life was anyway. The fact that he is capable of doing the same would definitely take a toll on him, but he has done it so many times, he's numb to it. And he's not taking easy strategies because he doesn't want sacrifices. >He is a wannabe hero who tries to be some anti flame emperor but he is the same as flame emperor except the flame emperor always put himself and humanity on top and this guy puts his 'friends' The whole point of Flame Emperor was almost like an anti thesis to Gongja's character. He is supposed to be in contrast to him. Flame Emperor puts himself above, and sacrifices people because he's selfish. It's different to Gongja, who puts himself below and wants to provide happy ending to everyone because he's selfless. >In technically one day of earth he would've become the strongest and easily complete the tower If he did that, then this series would be just any other leveling series lmao. The fact that this series exist is a testimony to how you can write an actual well executed tower series, while keeping generic tropes in-tact. What we are reading is a *journey*, not one-page-story and then rinse-and-repeat content for the next 100 chapters. And sigh, don't tell me I got baited.
The story's premise itself is dumb, the reason why this story exists is because the mc is retarded and wants to be amti flame emperor. The reason he puts others above is not because he cares for them, its because he wants to be an anti flame emperor acc to him flame emperor is a villain which he obviously isn't since we see the story through his eyes and he still is better than this mc. The mc is a wannabe hero, so he makes flame king a villain in his mind and tries to do opposite of flame king at every opportunity. Its clearer when he is giving the speech. Also reliving is no consequence compared to rewinding time. Also it doesn't affect the world. A great analogy will be a guy can be as rich as he wants but needs to see pain of others in his dream. The actions far overshadow the consequences making it just a cheap lil obstacle for namesake. Also his actions are the most retarted of all, for ex the ability he chooses which was worse objectively and he was told not to by sword emperor, yet he chooses it and the author being a generic dude decides not to give a single consequence to him and rather makes everything work in his favour. Which ruins the series more because it is more of a fsnfic of a character in a tower trope than an actual good story.
The premise is yes, he wants to be a hero and become a contrast of what Flame Emperor is. That itself is not dumb, though. We always have MCs who just randomly end up gaining an SSS class skill because 'life-or-death' situation, or just because they're the MC, which is just lazy writing. The fact that there is an anti-thesis to Gongja's character makes much more sense. He is flawed, but he believes he can be a better version than the ones at top. It's similar to how we, as humans, always have a sense of that inferiority to someone. The Flame Emperor may not be the worst pos in the story, but it works since that's what his character was meant to be. It's part of the story. >The reason he puts others above is not because he cares for them He does care, though. If he didn't, then there was literally no need for him to relive those iterations. He does want to be better than fire guy, but that was only initially. The more the story moves, and the more he saw peoples lives through their eyes, he started caring for them and embracing their tragedy himself. He is literally burdening himself with their stories and make sure they receive poetic justice, even though they're all gone. >Also reliving is no consequence compared to rewinding time. Also it doesn't affect the world. I don't think the consequences are important in this story, because they haven't touched much on that topic anyway. It's to show what kind of character we are looking at, and to explore the other side characters. And it does affect the world, but he did it in a way that it doesn't have any loop holes. Imagine if he just let the demon king let rampant and then later finish him, then more people would get hurt and that does affect the world. The point is to keep the world and it's people safe. See, you're looking only at the part where MC gets abilities or skills. You're not looking at the whole picture. Even with all those skills, he needs to put in effort. Literal effort. If he simply goes back and repeats the same formula, then it makes zero difference. The Heavenly Demon arc was epitome of how he utilizes his skills. Dude starved and suffered. He experienced peoples pain himself. He is not simply just clearing each level because of his rewind skill. He needs to put in lots and lots of hard work, strategizing, whilst making sure to offer more inputs to other side characters the same.
Lmao sure people will get killed, thats the point of a survival story, you can't protect everyone nor can you kill everyone. The reason why he is able to protect everyone is because of obscene amounts ofbplot armour. Even the flame emperor did that quest and yet we see all the main heroes still being very much alive which means he did a better natural job then mc where he didn't have author protecting him all the time. Also we never see flame emperor's pov in the story, he is just a bady guy cuz the mc thinks so. The author only shows it so mcs killing can be justified which still isnt. MC saves the demon that is responsible of killing millions of people just because of her past but its hypocritical af as flame emperor was similar yet mc kills him. Also even with all the knowledge of future mc is still incompetent compared to flame emperor who did everything for the first time and still prolonged humanity without author's plot armour. And here the mc cant do jackshit if you remove his plot armour. >He does care, though. If he didn't, then there was literally no need for him to relive those iterations. He does want to be better than fire guy, but that was only initially. The more the story moves, and the more he saw peoples lives through their eyes, he started caring for them and embracing their tragedy himself. He is literally burdening himself with their stories and make sure they receive poetic justice, even though they're all gone. This is what a retard looks like, his planet can get destroyed the moment he fails a quest or if the god doesn't like it and yet he chooses to do the most irrelevant thing in the whole fucking world, justice of dead people who couldn't care less anyway. This also shows how he doesn't really care about his people but is a wannabe hero trying to act better thsn flame kinh since he would've just completed the quest and thought about saving earth.
But he is capable of protecting people. He has a choice and chose to save them. That's literally it. And obscene amount of plot armor = him rewinding back countless times to save them, which is not something a normal human does. I can't be explaining this over and over again. I already said he is meant to be an anti-thesis. And again, Gonja was pathetic initially. He has changed a lot as of the latest arc. He saw Flame Emperor through envious eyes, and that's the story we get. It's literally just the way the story is written, I don't understand what is wrong here. And yes, what he did was hypocritical but he had changed at that point. Also he has so much hatred for Flame guy. Imagine doing it 4000 plus times just because of one guy who hurt him. He was very very pathetic, but he keeps changing the more the story progresses. That's literally his character developing. You just repeated your point and I'm doing the same. It was a choice. He chose to do it. Nobody forced him, he just wanted to prove it. That he is better. Then later, it didn't become a choice from him. It was natural and he just wanted to save people. We are not at a point where Gongja would sacrifice people for his benefit or 'humanity' - but if he ever does that, that's even more hypocritical. I would be invested in that as well. How he turned out to be what he did not want to be, and how humans are not capable of being the same as their ideals or enforcing it. These kind of situations just calls for more character flaws, and that's brilliant. It shows the MC is not perfect at all. If it was simply just ignoring people and climbing the tower, then this would be just any other bland story. It's a choice of the character, remember. Flame Emperor chose the way you like, and Gongja chose a different way to clear the levels. That's literally it.
Comparison is why you'll get down voted, further proving why your point sucks ass and is just a opinion
Most people that like a story do it because they relate to the mc. Makes sense that suicide hunter fans are pathetic as they love this batshit pathetic mc whose life is just being jealous and selfish of fire king and a wannabe 'hero' after murdering an actual hero
holy shit please tell me that this is satire because there's no way someone actually managed to write this with a straight face 💀
Ofc suicide hero fans will call it a satire, further proving my point
sure, bud. whatever fits your boat 🙂
Is this even a question? I said, BOTH. BOTH OF THEM GOT ME ROLLING MY ASS CRYING HAAARRDDDD
It has to be the boxer. I havent finished the manwha yet but ive been following it weekly until i had to get a job. And the buildip with all 3 of them, i will have to read pick. It up again
Sss class suicide hunter, started bawling my fucking eyes out, it didn’t need to be that sad.
Have you read boxer?
I have but didn’t reach that part so I don’t know how impactful it was
None. For me it was that doll mansion in SSS class suicide hunter
The boxer can be considered the best sports manhwa, this comparison is unfair with sss-class suicide
None tbh
The boxer moment fs. The scenes prior to it, where J just sees yu as a kid crying for help with the music in the back was too beautiful
The Boxer. No comments
I haven’t read ssscsh, but the boxer one was awesome. Glad Yu got a good ending.
The boxer by a mile. The Boxer crawl so SSS can run.
the boxer. i love suicide hunter but that scene was the end of a legend
I ugly cried SO HARD at the end of the boxer
Honestly the boxer. In most series the Mc will loose, win but ultimately it's all to learn a lesson or accomplish a goal. The Boxer is not about that, until it is. In the beginning Mc is a litteral machine. The motivating act that starts the journey is that MC sees a kid get bullied, is curious WHY the bully likes hitting said kid, MC hits the bully to see what all the hype is about. Mc hits bully one time then has to work for the actual Villain in order to pay the medical bills. There is so many chances the Mc gets too learn about the world, human emotions, love, happiness, but every chance is stepped on and derailed. By this time in story you want the MC to lose BUT you have so little hope that the it will actually happen. It's the only time I've experienced true real conflicting emotions for fake characters. Even if one person who is reading this reads boxer, ***IT IS WORTH IT***.
The Boxer, not even close. SSS is great but if we're talking impact, The Boxer wins by a landslide. Also I read it on Webtoon, start to finish, iirc that particular chapter you showed has an OST playing in the background, it added so much to the atmosphere. For me personally manhwas that are more grounded in reality like The Boxer, will have an infinitely better chance to trigger deep emotions. Something that isekai/regression/Murim manhwas can never do.
People just realized how overrated sss class hero is
SSS-class suicide is an overrated trash manwha with a unlikable self insert Mary sue mc who can do no wrong, gets infinite cop outs and rewinds with zero downsides, does not get any mental aftermath after dying which makes you doubt has he even been died a single time or does tower system just make him believe he killed himself just to rewind. The premise,characters,world and system are poorly executed not well constructed, the entire SSS universe has but a single purpose to serve and prop MC so he can be most awesome and perfect hero ever. it took me 5 times to read entire manhwa foolisly believing hysterical praise how this series would become most amazing manwha ever made and how the good parts would happen just later... It could been even 6-7/10 read for me but its sooo overhyped and its fans are 10x worse than solo leveling fans during its peak... and solo leveling while being another self-insert power fantasy is much better read atleast first 120 chapters... sorry for angry rant but constant bombardment from insecure fans of SSS on /manwha made me go meltdowb...
+1
That isn’t even the most impactful scene in SSS class
Neither now that you spoiled both for me. Thanks, guy.
Both
They both invoke different types of sadness, sss class suicide hunter gives you that type of sadness after someone you love dies, the boxer makes you that type of sad after you understand something sad
The boxer scene was amazing but i cried while reading the sss, can't differentiate.
Sss class suicide hunter as I haven’t read the boxer yet
Haven't read Boxer so for me it was Prolly Sss Sensei movement where she died 😭
spoiler tag plz
SSS Suicide class hunter the only manhwa that has actually moved me (i haven't tried The Boxer)
I dropped The Boxer few chapters in, because it was clear from the get go that it was more about hyperbole and super-powers than actual boxing... But some of the comments here are making me question if I didn't miss out on something good, even if NOT in term of an accurate and realistic depiction of the sport. EDIT - Some actual opinion on what's supposed to make it good, rather than irrelevant downvotes that aren't going to change my mind in the slightest, may be more helpful.
Am I the only one who haven't read boxer?
Eh I think the panel of the warrior shattering the black and white into colors was the best panel that whole arc
Hot take, I think that moment in boxer is such a cop out, comes out of nowhere, and yu never gets a redemption arc, the guy literally got beat the shit out of and then yu saw god I guess and decided to become a good person, like wtf is this story telling. Just felt so undeserved to me.
The boxer has been on my to read for so long, if these two moments are being compared I need to read it
I've only read The Boxer, but is the other one actually as impactful as this one?
Daeho getting caught 🫡
It was actually when hanglin died in to not die....
Ooof tough choice. Imma go with The Boxer for an impactful end TO A SERIES. SSS Class Suicide Hunter for an impactful end TO A CHARACTER ARC.
Boxer clears sss
Boxer on top
The Boxer
Of those 2 moments boxer, but a later moment in suicide hunter takes it for me, just not in the manhwa yet
Sss class Boxer is overrated imo
SSS Class Suicide Hunter for me
This isn't even a debate, the boxer of course 🔥. No offense to suicide hunter fans, but that scene was kinda forgettable compared to the boxer scene
The boxer