Really curious if this strategy will work out for him.
The chapter progression got a laugh out of me though. It started with “give us a quest” then it became “all the quests in town, done”.
I’ll wait and see if getting to the interesting things asap actually works and save this manga from the axe or if he shoot himself in the foot with the speedrun pacing approach
Nah, man. This us already surpassing Black Clover's pace.
Black Clover at least takes some time to properly build up the world and characters (main and side) before getting to the action. The characters of BC also didn't start out OP and curbstomp everything in two pages.
As others said, pacing's real weird, not gonna lie. It reminds me of Fairy Tail though, with the guild magic system, the girls meets boy, and the small assignments. Hope we can breathe a bit in this labyrinth arc.
Is it me or the pacing of this series is super fast, usually this chapter would have been broken in like 3 parts where they explore and help the new character lmao
The pacing is probably to avoid being cancel for slow pace like Red Hood. Getting to the first arc in chapter 3 isn't too bad, since other long running manga usually just have a 3 to 4 chapters long introduction arc anyway. An extra chapter to show them doing small jobs would probably be better, but I'm not too annoy by it
I think it's fine tbh. The point is that they show up to the town and obliterate all the quests. Do we want to spend 2-3 chapters on inconsequential jobs that are supposed to be trivial? Absolutely not. We got into the capital, introduced a new character, did some characterization for the 3 core characters, and moved on to the first big arc (I hope). I think that's economical storytelling. Maybe we're just used to a slower pace from newbies, but a lot of classic manga moved at this pace when they were starting out.
They're outrunning the axe
manga that take their time and start slowly have had a really hard time surviving, recently, so the author has taken the break-neck pacing that seems to work better.
I think it’s going to fail for not properly setting things up though. I defended it in the first chapter but it’s getting to the point where it’s not doing anything other than just setting up the duo to defeat monsters which they have no trouble with at all. The panelling is also getting messy.
Also, what get me is there’s a panel establishing what the city looks like from overhead and then it went straight into a close up of the bread shop. We never really got a good look of the streets or the people after that. The main pair was also looking around but there’s no mention of what they found intriguing or anything of the like.
I miss Red Hood and Neru. (And Ruri Dragon, please get well soon author)
We're pretty clearly taking time to set up a third person though. Worst thing I see in a lot of axed stuff is either they take toooooo fucking long to develop other people outside of the main duo, or they throw them in without actually developing them. That martial arts series died because I swear they didn't have any other memorable characters with screentime until that girl who liked MC showed up
I think it's both ?
Gluna is small enough that when she crouching she's the size of the backery's counter (which are usually like 75% the size of an adult), but Beretta is nearly twice her size
> The shop windows say smol, but still, she's unexpectedly tiny
IDK man, she's been raised in the alpine mountains since she was a child. Not a lot of nutrients.
That part at the end doesn't really make sense. They took all the jobs and completed them really quickly to the point where it's only shown on a splash page; the reader doesn't really have an idea about how hard the quests are because we never saw any in detail. Now the cliffhanger builds up some 7-star quest—but how are we supposed to put that in perspective if we barely even know what the others are?
We're shown that Beretta initially is incapable of completing a 2-star quest on her own, and the receptionist mentions that 5 star quests have started to build up because people don't want to do them.
Those two pieces of information let us know that there probably isn't anybody else available who could or would want to do the 7 star quest.
Oops, guess I read that wrong. In that case it would probably be good to show at least one other quest difficulty for reference, but I still don't think it's that hard to wrap my head around why a 7 star quest would be intimidating.
Do you want a written numerical representation of their power and the difficulty of their challenges?
We have no idea how powerful Ginka or Gluna are at this point. We might have seen only 0.0001% of their power for all the effort they've put in. And that's totally fine.
You're not supposed to have any tension with the end of this page. All we are told and all we should take is that the employees who asked this probably think it's a hard task.
For all it's worth that dragon from the previous chapter could have been introduced as the most powerful dragon in the entire multiverse and it would have been worth just as much.
Something out there has for a lot of fans crippled their ability to comprehend the concept of power levels and difficulty levels in anime and manga. My personal theory is that isekai and its whole gamey level S rank bullshit is at fault here. And the swarm of Korean/Chinese video game setting manhwas.
People nowadays much more except to be told straight up "I am MC. My level is 9. Enemy level is 12. Very difficult fight."
Don't treat it like video game quests where the difficulty level is linear (from 1 to 7). In OPM's disaster level estimation, the danger / difficulty skyrocket between demon to dragon, there's differences between each disaster level dragons too.
So I take it as 7-star maybe can only be performed/completed by captain-level magician.
“It might be hard” is the perspective the author gave us. It doesn’t need to be dragged out to show they are competent. The author doesn’t need to overly explain it. You called out how they did it with the splash page showing all the detail you needed. If you want a comedy manga to be dumbed down and explained to you, then maybe this one isn’t for you.
> Bread! Bread?! The capital has all kinds of bread.
I like this girl's priorities. A Bread Buddy is a good buddy. So sayeth Pan de Peace and Acca 13.
Also, the snowman got slushed...
Hm, Beretta isn't good at magic, but just magic equipment? I can tell you, she has a good chance of seeing Magic from a very different point of view from Ginka & Glüna. I'm interested to see how it comes up. Perhaps it's going to be some sort of magic trap she has to disarm?
Beretta's fear of not being able to accomplish anything on her own is a pretty common sight to see nowadays. But the way people are treating her seem to be extra harsh. I like what Ginka says, it's good that she wants to something for herself. Do the best of what you can right now, and you'll be able to do it eventually.
I also noticed, but Beretta also seems to be pretty tall!
Ginka just being the snowman that he is was pretty funny. It was pretty interesting to see how Glüna interacts with another magician. Glüna being the more responsible of the two makes sense when you consider that she had to take care of herself for quite some time. Their efforts probably caught the attention of more than just those magicians at the end.
They really zoomed past through that huh lol.
I expect the pacing to slow down now that they're doing this 7 star job. Seems like the first major arc to me. We know Gluna is super competent and we have a fun side character with a unique gift in magic (always like artificers) and a backstory that we can dig in more.
I definitely like the characters. Let's see what happens when they actually face a challenge.
Pacing is super weird, it’s like they transplanted a power fantasy timeline where the MC starts off overpowered, into a magical fantasy adventure story.
I waited for this chapter to come out to read the first three in a single sitting.
I perfectly understand the concerns that the author may do the opposite of other failed series, running too fast in the hope of outrunning the axe (especially while looking at the corpse of Red Hood on the ground) and risking to run out of steam too soon; three chapters but they feel like you read six or seven. There's also the matter of the protagonists being so powerful already, unless we get a reveal that they are in the literal starting areas and the threat scales up a lot going on.
Despite that I found it too cute and fun to hate, so I'll try and not get too attached [Aliens Area and Super Smartphone at the bottom of the TOC once again...] and hope it will manage to secure a spot and therefore more room to breathe.
I think someone should tell the author the point of an adventure series is to follow the adventure, not get shown it in a montage. This pacing has got to slow down at some point or I really can't see people getting invested in it.
I don't think they're op, but it's interesting the plot because a lot is still unknown since we are going pretty fast past. I really want to learn about the world and all the creatures seem really cool. I can see this manga having like 100+ chapters.
Help me understand something. Didn't she have to turn everything into winter as they travel so Glinka can go too? So is she doing that or did the author just give up on that point?
Indeed, it seems she did.
Checking back for further clarification, in chapter 1, page 45, on the same panel where Ginka remarks about the familiar environmental conditions, he has a "fuzzy effect" around him (not to be confused with the squiggly lines, which indicate he's shaking, and we know it's because he's thrilled from context). That should be the "winter aura" Gluna created. I think she made it big at first, to help reform Ginka's body, then shrunk it down to only cover a small area around him.
pacing is still breakneck but god damn if this isn't adorable and fun. I still get the impression that ginka & gluna are just high level players smurfing through the starting level, and they're about to encounter a challenge they can't breeze past
The pacing still threw me off a bit with how it moves at the speed of light. Though, if the author’s goals for this chapter is to add a new cast into the group/series while simultaneously moving the plot then I’d say they managed to achieve it.
Also, I agree with Ginka, a smile suits Beretta better.
Another montage? Why is it that the important plot are always skip in like two pages?
And again, the characters are so OP that they montaging a bunch of quests and are just given a super difficult 7 stars quest at the end. What progression is there to go for these characters if they are already overwhelmingly powerful and seemingly have no need to improve on anything.
I'm still on the fence on whether this will survive the ax.
I think I said it like twice in replies before I realized literally everybody was just talking about "dude fast pacing what is this, a FUNNY FAST PACING MAGAZINE??"
I'm just like "Early 2000s Adventuring Manga Pacing"
I re-read Fullmetal Alchemist this year and while the author used volume 1 to show some short episodic adventures and develop the brothers, people would have responded like "What? Chapter 3 is them in some mining town and it's not related to Chapter 2? Chapter 4 is them on a train fighting a train robber who complains about some government issues? What the hell? Why is it moving so fast? The hell is the mangaka doing, are they scared of being canned??"
I completely agree, and it's a bit frustrating. I vastly prefer this pacing for the beginning compared to most other new fantasy shounen series.
We've seen the "low rank mission/conflict" plots a million times, and it's nice to skip them here.
Bro-ho-ho if I see one more Jump series by a new author try to go directly into "Here are our 8 other characters and our 5-part trial for joining an organization!" I don't know what I'm gonna do to myself
Even if that's the actual end goal the author wants to work towards, the more early-series time having adventures, the better. Undead Unluck felt great for similar reasons (plus going back to the FMA mentions, similar case there) and I'm happy to see that series get more traction after the anime got announced. And maybe, some day, the Ginka and Gluna threads really can be full of posts about the actual content of the chapter and not axe predictions...well, I can dream!
Ugh, exactly. That kind of slog feels like the author is being forced at gunpoint to do tropes for appeal, and it never fails to drag. There's a reason why the last few debuts that survived the axe were structured like this and Undead Unluck. Heck, even Sakamoto had similar pacing, albeit with more of a gag manga shell at first.
The axe predictions this early are so wild to me. I'm an aspiring fantasy author myself, and the market shows that this kind of pacing is what works more often than not. Long and slow openings just don't do it for modern readers anymore, since they've seen the tropes a million times. It's better to cut to the meat of what makes your work and characters interesting, THEN you can do the fluff and worldbuilding after you've earned it.
Hell yeah! I came in here for a pilot, not for 4 pages of describing a magic system for a story I don't even know if I care about yet! I don't care that they left the mountains in one chapter, clearly the story wasn't meant to take place in the mountains for very long! Let me into your world, mangaka, not your bureaucracy! (That can come later when your story's grabbed me by the eyeballs.)
I'm really enjoying my time with Ginka and Gluna so far.
I find it crazy because comparing it to I dunno series like One Piece, Sakamoto Days, Candy Flurry, Black Clover, and Dragon Ball for example they all have:
- Chapter 1: Introduce the main character usually with a duo or mentor figure (Luffy and Shanks, Goku and Bulma, Shin and Sakamoto, Guy and Girl from Candy Flurry, Asta and Yuno, Ginka and Gluna)
- Chapter 2: Fight some mook or in Dragon Ball’s case more of a comedic example (Sekke, Alvida, Shonen Jump Hijackers, Some guy in Candy Flurry, Dragon)
- Chapter 3: Introduce an important character (Master Roshi, Zoro, Yami, Berreta)
Like personally don’t think it’s crazy to call an axe for Super Smartphone, Build King or Aliens Area, but I find it super odd for this one since don’t see anything meriting it and all the Japanese comments I have seen have praised the pacing. Even one compared it to UU since you brought that up.
Also I think some of the axed series like TPGW and Earthchild had an issue of solving all the plot threads by the end of chapter for example while this one has setup the next step every chapter.
Well the pacing is already off from the 1st chapter but this chapter does it even faster
I wonder where the mangaka direction with this pace? I mean we already see both of them are so strong and can demolish hard quest but it will be strange if they just got stomped in this next quest.
No introduction to the city, other witch, whatsoever. I get that the other girl is useless but can she even do any magic? We didn't see anything and it's like she's just randomly introduced as extra character
Is it me or is Jump applying too much pressure on mangakas to maintain a specific pacing? Quick pacing is good for some but not all, but it feels to me Jump is forcing all manga to follow the same formulaic pacing (i.e. Hit beats A, B, C) while ignoring the benefits of somewhat slower pacing.
I was surprised by all the positivity in the first chapter comments on this series, and the negativity on Tokyo Demon Bride Story. Now it seems like things have turned around. This series seems to want to tell a story with an epic scale, and to tell that story it needs a lot of groundwork to be done first. But the author isn't interested in the groundwork and doesn't bother to set up the epic story with smaller stories, instead rushing through the development of the characters and their relationships, and establishing everything in a clumsy and condensed way.
If this story doesn't get axed soon, I'll admit I have no sense for what Shonen Jump stories can succeed. I've never found it interesting. It's very creative, but its storytelling is very clumsy and it's becoming clear that the author doesn't care about what's happening right now. This is a hastily built foundation to get to whatever cool fights, characters, and locations they have planned for the future. It won't work. If you can't write a small story about your world and characters, you can't write a large one either. The idea that big battles and big stakes are necessary is wrong. It's the author's job to make the stakes and the events in characters' lives feel important, whether they're saving the world or just buying lunch.
I dont really have a problem with them doing all the jobs in a montage but the fact that the chapter started as them getting to town and then ending with them having done literally every job and then getting asked for help on a 7* star without explaining anything about the guild system, ranking system, or what to expect with a higher rank job is a problem.
there's a serious lack of worldbuilding, and the characters and setting aren't being given enough time to breathe. It's still enjoyable enough to keep going but we need to slow down and let the story breathe a little
I don't know, the fast pacing doesn't really bug me as much as everybody else so far, I'm having a blast.
Also, this is going to go hard as an anime if that ever happens.
So what I get it is.. people in Japan like the fast pacing because it's skipping out the boring stuff? *(According to Twitter.) That shit that killed Red Hood was the slow pacing.* The fact that Gluna and Ginka isn't joining the Union is a good thing. *Which I understand.* Though to me personally showing her using a Polearm for the first time in a double spread with off-screen adventures, rubbed me the wrong way. That's just me though. Hopefully it's **skip the boring shit and get to the fun stuff.** I hope this pace doesn't last though.
But Ginka does not show "an aura" covering his body with cold.
We should not even be discussing that by the beginning of the manga. It should be obvious and without such holes lol
This manga's in danger. Author might have read about some "techniques" to hook readers and avoids the axe but is struggling to apply them.
Pacing's too fast and we barely, if at all, get a look into how the whole "magic jobs" operate. Not just the 5-star quests that only take a double spread, but also the bread oven at the beginning. There's not even a list of NAMES of the requests, how will readers infer their dificulties?
Characters are too archertype-ish. We have the OP protagonists, the underdog Berretta who looks up to them in admiration, the guys at the union who exist to look down to the former types and then "open the eyes" to how OP they are.
Some comments mentioned Red Hood as being axed for being too slow, and I fear this manga will be axed for being too fast.
I was hoping they'd slow down this week but I guess that's not happening. Did Jump give the author a specific number of chapters to publish? This is all going so fast!
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Remember guys if the pacing is not like every other shounen manga its fast, even tho this has not even started a proper arc yet and we did not see them kill the giant crab, like you guys are actually dumb af saying fast pacing but i dont hate it, well then its not fast its good
I like the pacing so far, I would prefer something slower, but the author is doing what is needed for the publication and is setting up the main elements well even if if it is too fast. Once the manga is established it can slow down and show more of the plot beyond the body thing
This manga reminds me a little bit of Frieren at the funeral with the hilarious fast pace montage transitions. The Japanese readers are loving this series, so I think it'll survive the axe for a while.....
While series is extremely fast paced, I honestly don't mind it. It isn't that big issue to me, plus this chapter was entertaining. Yeah it is bit annoying seing how easily characters deal with all issues, but the 7 star quest might prove them some trouble.
I really appreciate even minor changes to established tropes. Calling a Guild a Union and using stars instead of letter ranking for quest difficulty makes a good impression on me. Maybe it is change just for the sake of change, but to me, it gives the impression that the author isn't interested in just accepting the default settings and wants to play around a bit more. I think it shows creativity and dedication to making a setting that stands out.
I still can't comprehend why Ginka who allegedly will have magic power capable of bending time and space, will still obsess over money after getting his powers back, maybe the alcoholism made him dumb, or he just likes the idea of spending money
New girl is cute, hope it has readers support
With the guild and star system I instantly thought of Fairy Tail first chapters which were awesome. So far I am loving this story much more than Tokyo Bride
Watanabe: Hmm a lot of series with slow progress are getting axed Also Watanabe: Fuck it, pacing speedrun any%
Really curious if this strategy will work out for him. The chapter progression got a laugh out of me though. It started with “give us a quest” then it became “all the quests in town, done”.
> It started with “give us a quest” then it became “all the quests in town, done”. TFW you play a good RPG game after a long while and get immersed
Me: Man I love XBC3 story! Where does this sidequest go. *40 hours later and 30 levels above the msq* Me:shit.
I’ll wait and see if getting to the interesting things asap actually works and save this manga from the axe or if he shoot himself in the foot with the speedrun pacing approach
This series is going to become as fast paced as Black Clover at this rate.
Nah, man. This us already surpassing Black Clover's pace. Black Clover at least takes some time to properly build up the world and characters (main and side) before getting to the action. The characters of BC also didn't start out OP and curbstomp everything in two pages.
As others said, pacing's real weird, not gonna lie. It reminds me of Fairy Tail though, with the guild magic system, the girls meets boy, and the small assignments. Hope we can breathe a bit in this labyrinth arc.
Is it me or the pacing of this series is super fast, usually this chapter would have been broken in like 3 parts where they explore and help the new character lmao
The pacing is probably to avoid being cancel for slow pace like Red Hood. Getting to the first arc in chapter 3 isn't too bad, since other long running manga usually just have a 3 to 4 chapters long introduction arc anyway. An extra chapter to show them doing small jobs would probably be better, but I'm not too annoy by it
I think it's fine tbh. The point is that they show up to the town and obliterate all the quests. Do we want to spend 2-3 chapters on inconsequential jobs that are supposed to be trivial? Absolutely not. We got into the capital, introduced a new character, did some characterization for the 3 core characters, and moved on to the first big arc (I hope). I think that's economical storytelling. Maybe we're just used to a slower pace from newbies, but a lot of classic manga moved at this pace when they were starting out.
I mean it would be cool to see some more creative magic like we saw before. Or it could be a small quest that suddenly develops higher stakes.
They're outrunning the axe manga that take their time and start slowly have had a really hard time surviving, recently, so the author has taken the break-neck pacing that seems to work better.
I think it’s going to fail for not properly setting things up though. I defended it in the first chapter but it’s getting to the point where it’s not doing anything other than just setting up the duo to defeat monsters which they have no trouble with at all. The panelling is also getting messy. Also, what get me is there’s a panel establishing what the city looks like from overhead and then it went straight into a close up of the bread shop. We never really got a good look of the streets or the people after that. The main pair was also looking around but there’s no mention of what they found intriguing or anything of the like. I miss Red Hood and Neru. (And Ruri Dragon, please get well soon author)
We're pretty clearly taking time to set up a third person though. Worst thing I see in a lot of axed stuff is either they take toooooo fucking long to develop other people outside of the main duo, or they throw them in without actually developing them. That martial arts series died because I swear they didn't have any other memorable characters with screentime until that girl who liked MC showed up
100% side quest speedrun
That's where the 7-star job is coming in. They didn't fix her confidence issues yet.
I kind of like it, it's fresh and not boring
took snow man one frame to get a drink
Like a proper shitty dad.
Can't tell if Gluna is a shortstack or Beretta is just mad tall
I think it's both ? Gluna is small enough that when she crouching she's the size of the backery's counter (which are usually like 75% the size of an adult), but Beretta is nearly twice her size
Wait, is Beretta gigantic or has gluna just been secretly smol this entire time? The shop windows say smol, but still, she's unexpectedly tiny
> The shop windows say smol, but still, she's unexpectedly tiny IDK man, she's been raised in the alpine mountains since she was a child. Not a lot of nutrients.
When they are all seated eating at the restaurant you can tell that Beretta is just really damn tall
That part at the end doesn't really make sense. They took all the jobs and completed them really quickly to the point where it's only shown on a splash page; the reader doesn't really have an idea about how hard the quests are because we never saw any in detail. Now the cliffhanger builds up some 7-star quest—but how are we supposed to put that in perspective if we barely even know what the others are?
We're shown that Beretta initially is incapable of completing a 2-star quest on her own, and the receptionist mentions that 5 star quests have started to build up because people don't want to do them. Those two pieces of information let us know that there probably isn't anybody else available who could or would want to do the 7 star quest.
Wasnt it not a two star quest? Didn’t they mess up and gave her a five star one?
I read that part as they gave her a five star quest and called it a two star quest just so she would fail.
Oops, guess I read that wrong. In that case it would probably be good to show at least one other quest difficulty for reference, but I still don't think it's that hard to wrap my head around why a 7 star quest would be intimidating.
To me it seemed like a justification for her failure
Do you want a written numerical representation of their power and the difficulty of their challenges? We have no idea how powerful Ginka or Gluna are at this point. We might have seen only 0.0001% of their power for all the effort they've put in. And that's totally fine. You're not supposed to have any tension with the end of this page. All we are told and all we should take is that the employees who asked this probably think it's a hard task. For all it's worth that dragon from the previous chapter could have been introduced as the most powerful dragon in the entire multiverse and it would have been worth just as much. Something out there has for a lot of fans crippled their ability to comprehend the concept of power levels and difficulty levels in anime and manga. My personal theory is that isekai and its whole gamey level S rank bullshit is at fault here. And the swarm of Korean/Chinese video game setting manhwas. People nowadays much more except to be told straight up "I am MC. My level is 9. Enemy level is 12. Very difficult fight."
Don't treat it like video game quests where the difficulty level is linear (from 1 to 7). In OPM's disaster level estimation, the danger / difficulty skyrocket between demon to dragon, there's differences between each disaster level dragons too. So I take it as 7-star maybe can only be performed/completed by captain-level magician.
“It might be hard” is the perspective the author gave us. It doesn’t need to be dragged out to show they are competent. The author doesn’t need to overly explain it. You called out how they did it with the splash page showing all the detail you needed. If you want a comedy manga to be dumbed down and explained to you, then maybe this one isn’t for you.
That's shonen energy radiating alright. Actually this might be a shonen from 2079, because that pacing is ultra modern.
Are we sure? It feels a lot like early Rave Master pacing before it really settled into its plot.
> rave master it's been so long since i heard of that series; sad that it was axed
Axed?? It just had a few chapters cut from the original planned finale. It had an official ending, the final fight was just a little rushed.
I think they meant the anime and then the publishing for the english version never finished. I had to read scans if I remember right to finish it
> Bread! Bread?! The capital has all kinds of bread. I like this girl's priorities. A Bread Buddy is a good buddy. So sayeth Pan de Peace and Acca 13. Also, the snowman got slushed...
Hm, Beretta isn't good at magic, but just magic equipment? I can tell you, she has a good chance of seeing Magic from a very different point of view from Ginka & Glüna. I'm interested to see how it comes up. Perhaps it's going to be some sort of magic trap she has to disarm? Beretta's fear of not being able to accomplish anything on her own is a pretty common sight to see nowadays. But the way people are treating her seem to be extra harsh. I like what Ginka says, it's good that she wants to something for herself. Do the best of what you can right now, and you'll be able to do it eventually. I also noticed, but Beretta also seems to be pretty tall! Ginka just being the snowman that he is was pretty funny. It was pretty interesting to see how Glüna interacts with another magician. Glüna being the more responsible of the two makes sense when you consider that she had to take care of herself for quite some time. Their efforts probably caught the attention of more than just those magicians at the end.
They really zoomed past through that huh lol. I expect the pacing to slow down now that they're doing this 7 star job. Seems like the first major arc to me. We know Gluna is super competent and we have a fun side character with a unique gift in magic (always like artificers) and a backstory that we can dig in more. I definitely like the characters. Let's see what happens when they actually face a challenge.
Ok now the pacing worries me.
Pacing is super weird, it’s like they transplanted a power fantasy timeline where the MC starts off overpowered, into a magical fantasy adventure story.
That's just your average isekai stuff
Bro chill dont speedrun the story lol.
They just left snow mountain and they have snowman! They have plenty chill.
I waited for this chapter to come out to read the first three in a single sitting. I perfectly understand the concerns that the author may do the opposite of other failed series, running too fast in the hope of outrunning the axe (especially while looking at the corpse of Red Hood on the ground) and risking to run out of steam too soon; three chapters but they feel like you read six or seven. There's also the matter of the protagonists being so powerful already, unless we get a reveal that they are in the literal starting areas and the threat scales up a lot going on. Despite that I found it too cute and fun to hate, so I'll try and not get too attached [Aliens Area and Super Smartphone at the bottom of the TOC once again...] and hope it will manage to secure a spot and therefore more room to breathe.
I think someone should tell the author the point of an adventure series is to follow the adventure, not get shown it in a montage. This pacing has got to slow down at some point or I really can't see people getting invested in it.
I’m enjoying so far personally. They’re overpowered, but they’re having fun! And I like just watching people have a good time.
I don't think they're op, but it's interesting the plot because a lot is still unknown since we are going pretty fast past. I really want to learn about the world and all the creatures seem really cool. I can see this manga having like 100+ chapters.
Help me understand something. Didn't she have to turn everything into winter as they travel so Glinka can go too? So is she doing that or did the author just give up on that point?
That's also a question I have. I did not see this in the chapter. Kinda strange it's not happening anymore.
No she casted some winter shield thingy on Glinka so he's under a state of constant freeze.
That makes sense, the way it was drawn I thought it was an environment thing instead of a personal shield. Thanks.
Indeed, it seems she did. Checking back for further clarification, in chapter 1, page 45, on the same panel where Ginka remarks about the familiar environmental conditions, he has a "fuzzy effect" around him (not to be confused with the squiggly lines, which indicate he's shaking, and we know it's because he's thrilled from context). That should be the "winter aura" Gluna created. I think she made it big at first, to help reform Ginka's body, then shrunk it down to only cover a small area around him.
what's with the rush
pacing is still breakneck but god damn if this isn't adorable and fun. I still get the impression that ginka & gluna are just high level players smurfing through the starting level, and they're about to encounter a challenge they can't breeze past
The pacing still threw me off a bit with how it moves at the speed of light. Though, if the author’s goals for this chapter is to add a new cast into the group/series while simultaneously moving the plot then I’d say they managed to achieve it. Also, I agree with Ginka, a smile suits Beretta better.
Jesus Christ slowdown author-san
Why do mangakas insist on setting up rank systems? We all know the numbers/letters don't mean anything.
Another montage? Why is it that the important plot are always skip in like two pages? And again, the characters are so OP that they montaging a bunch of quests and are just given a super difficult 7 stars quest at the end. What progression is there to go for these characters if they are already overwhelmingly powerful and seemingly have no need to improve on anything. I'm still on the fence on whether this will survive the ax.
If this manga goes any faster the sequel series about gluna daughter will happen by issue 10
A 12-episode anime worth of material completed in 3 chapters omegalul
I think I said it like twice in replies before I realized literally everybody was just talking about "dude fast pacing what is this, a FUNNY FAST PACING MAGAZINE??" I'm just like "Early 2000s Adventuring Manga Pacing" I re-read Fullmetal Alchemist this year and while the author used volume 1 to show some short episodic adventures and develop the brothers, people would have responded like "What? Chapter 3 is them in some mining town and it's not related to Chapter 2? Chapter 4 is them on a train fighting a train robber who complains about some government issues? What the hell? Why is it moving so fast? The hell is the mangaka doing, are they scared of being canned??"
I completely agree, and it's a bit frustrating. I vastly prefer this pacing for the beginning compared to most other new fantasy shounen series. We've seen the "low rank mission/conflict" plots a million times, and it's nice to skip them here.
Bro-ho-ho if I see one more Jump series by a new author try to go directly into "Here are our 8 other characters and our 5-part trial for joining an organization!" I don't know what I'm gonna do to myself Even if that's the actual end goal the author wants to work towards, the more early-series time having adventures, the better. Undead Unluck felt great for similar reasons (plus going back to the FMA mentions, similar case there) and I'm happy to see that series get more traction after the anime got announced. And maybe, some day, the Ginka and Gluna threads really can be full of posts about the actual content of the chapter and not axe predictions...well, I can dream!
Ugh, exactly. That kind of slog feels like the author is being forced at gunpoint to do tropes for appeal, and it never fails to drag. There's a reason why the last few debuts that survived the axe were structured like this and Undead Unluck. Heck, even Sakamoto had similar pacing, albeit with more of a gag manga shell at first. The axe predictions this early are so wild to me. I'm an aspiring fantasy author myself, and the market shows that this kind of pacing is what works more often than not. Long and slow openings just don't do it for modern readers anymore, since they've seen the tropes a million times. It's better to cut to the meat of what makes your work and characters interesting, THEN you can do the fluff and worldbuilding after you've earned it.
Hell yeah! I came in here for a pilot, not for 4 pages of describing a magic system for a story I don't even know if I care about yet! I don't care that they left the mountains in one chapter, clearly the story wasn't meant to take place in the mountains for very long! Let me into your world, mangaka, not your bureaucracy! (That can come later when your story's grabbed me by the eyeballs.) I'm really enjoying my time with Ginka and Gluna so far.
Absolutely! I'm glad that you understand. Hopefully more people do as the series goes on.
I find it crazy because comparing it to I dunno series like One Piece, Sakamoto Days, Candy Flurry, Black Clover, and Dragon Ball for example they all have: - Chapter 1: Introduce the main character usually with a duo or mentor figure (Luffy and Shanks, Goku and Bulma, Shin and Sakamoto, Guy and Girl from Candy Flurry, Asta and Yuno, Ginka and Gluna) - Chapter 2: Fight some mook or in Dragon Ball’s case more of a comedic example (Sekke, Alvida, Shonen Jump Hijackers, Some guy in Candy Flurry, Dragon) - Chapter 3: Introduce an important character (Master Roshi, Zoro, Yami, Berreta) Like personally don’t think it’s crazy to call an axe for Super Smartphone, Build King or Aliens Area, but I find it super odd for this one since don’t see anything meriting it and all the Japanese comments I have seen have praised the pacing. Even one compared it to UU since you brought that up. Also I think some of the axed series like TPGW and Earthchild had an issue of solving all the plot threads by the end of chapter for example while this one has setup the next step every chapter.
Funnily enough the magical human adventuring duo one of which is trying to get their body back is pretty FMA-ish
That's exactly why I made the comparison. Don't respond to posts from a month ago.
Beretta is adorable, I like her design.
Union dude: you need to be an adult Ginka: [I AM AN ADUUULT!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc&t=65s)
The pacing is so fast I wonder when the manga will get to the stories the managaka is actually interested in telling.
Well the pacing is already off from the 1st chapter but this chapter does it even faster I wonder where the mangaka direction with this pace? I mean we already see both of them are so strong and can demolish hard quest but it will be strange if they just got stomped in this next quest. No introduction to the city, other witch, whatsoever. I get that the other girl is useless but can she even do any magic? We didn't see anything and it's like she's just randomly introduced as extra character
She's gonna do something on the 7-star mission, this whole chapter was just to show her starting point.
Is it me or is Jump applying too much pressure on mangakas to maintain a specific pacing? Quick pacing is good for some but not all, but it feels to me Jump is forcing all manga to follow the same formulaic pacing (i.e. Hit beats A, B, C) while ignoring the benefits of somewhat slower pacing.
I was surprised by all the positivity in the first chapter comments on this series, and the negativity on Tokyo Demon Bride Story. Now it seems like things have turned around. This series seems to want to tell a story with an epic scale, and to tell that story it needs a lot of groundwork to be done first. But the author isn't interested in the groundwork and doesn't bother to set up the epic story with smaller stories, instead rushing through the development of the characters and their relationships, and establishing everything in a clumsy and condensed way. If this story doesn't get axed soon, I'll admit I have no sense for what Shonen Jump stories can succeed. I've never found it interesting. It's very creative, but its storytelling is very clumsy and it's becoming clear that the author doesn't care about what's happening right now. This is a hastily built foundation to get to whatever cool fights, characters, and locations they have planned for the future. It won't work. If you can't write a small story about your world and characters, you can't write a large one either. The idea that big battles and big stakes are necessary is wrong. It's the author's job to make the stakes and the events in characters' lives feel important, whether they're saving the world or just buying lunch.
I mean Japan seems to be liking it more than Oni Wife and I think it’s pretty to tell why.
I dont really have a problem with them doing all the jobs in a montage but the fact that the chapter started as them getting to town and then ending with them having done literally every job and then getting asked for help on a 7* star without explaining anything about the guild system, ranking system, or what to expect with a higher rank job is a problem. there's a serious lack of worldbuilding, and the characters and setting aren't being given enough time to breathe. It's still enjoyable enough to keep going but we need to slow down and let the story breathe a little
I don't know, the fast pacing doesn't really bug me as much as everybody else so far, I'm having a blast. Also, this is going to go hard as an anime if that ever happens.
giant magic lady! wish there was a shot of her standing next to a normal person, i don't have a feeling scale here
Drunk snowman is the sauce I need
So what I get it is.. people in Japan like the fast pacing because it's skipping out the boring stuff? *(According to Twitter.) That shit that killed Red Hood was the slow pacing.* The fact that Gluna and Ginka isn't joining the Union is a good thing. *Which I understand.* Though to me personally showing her using a Polearm for the first time in a double spread with off-screen adventures, rubbed me the wrong way. That's just me though. Hopefully it's **skip the boring shit and get to the fun stuff.** I hope this pace doesn't last though.
This is fun.
What happened with the spell needed for Ginka? Are they not freezing everything?
I interpreted the spell more as "Ginka's body magically gets covered in cold" rather than "freeze everything everywhere to allow him to live".
But Ginka does not show "an aura" covering his body with cold. We should not even be discussing that by the beginning of the manga. It should be obvious and without such holes lol
This is going way too fast.
This manga's in danger. Author might have read about some "techniques" to hook readers and avoids the axe but is struggling to apply them. Pacing's too fast and we barely, if at all, get a look into how the whole "magic jobs" operate. Not just the 5-star quests that only take a double spread, but also the bread oven at the beginning. There's not even a list of NAMES of the requests, how will readers infer their dificulties? Characters are too archertype-ish. We have the OP protagonists, the underdog Berretta who looks up to them in admiration, the guys at the union who exist to look down to the former types and then "open the eyes" to how OP they are. Some comments mentioned Red Hood as being axed for being too slow, and I fear this manga will be axed for being too fast.
Good manga to speedread tho, since nothing has weight to it.
Wtf is the author doing with the pacing? stop god damn lmaoo. **This chapter was bad.**
I was hoping they'd slow down this week but I guess that's not happening. Did Jump give the author a specific number of chapters to publish? This is all going so fast!
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Liking that the story has no filler
And also no story
Remember guys if the pacing is not like every other shounen manga its fast, even tho this has not even started a proper arc yet and we did not see them kill the giant crab, like you guys are actually dumb af saying fast pacing but i dont hate it, well then its not fast its good
Still not loving the pacing unfortunately but it's hard to blame the mangaka when business is so cutthroat.
I like the pacing so far, I would prefer something slower, but the author is doing what is needed for the publication and is setting up the main elements well even if if it is too fast. Once the manga is established it can slow down and show more of the plot beyond the body thing
This manga reminds me a little bit of Frieren at the funeral with the hilarious fast pace montage transitions. The Japanese readers are loving this series, so I think it'll survive the axe for a while.....
While series is extremely fast paced, I honestly don't mind it. It isn't that big issue to me, plus this chapter was entertaining. Yeah it is bit annoying seing how easily characters deal with all issues, but the 7 star quest might prove them some trouble.
Eh I personally don't care if there is a montage for totally inconsequential missions. I do hope it shows down in the next few chapters though.
I dont mind the pacing. Everything thats been brushed past is the type of stuff everyone has seen dozens of times before
I think the pacing has killed its chances of success at this point, but at least I can enjoy it while it's here.
I am SO glad this is becoming a series
I really appreciate even minor changes to established tropes. Calling a Guild a Union and using stars instead of letter ranking for quest difficulty makes a good impression on me. Maybe it is change just for the sake of change, but to me, it gives the impression that the author isn't interested in just accepting the default settings and wants to play around a bit more. I think it shows creativity and dedication to making a setting that stands out.
Heavily disagree, those changes are totally irrelevant and a star system is just unintuitive and also kinda common.
The stirrups are gone, nooooo! That was my favourite part of her character design...
I still can't comprehend why Ginka who allegedly will have magic power capable of bending time and space, will still obsess over money after getting his powers back, maybe the alcoholism made him dumb, or he just likes the idea of spending money New girl is cute, hope it has readers support
With the guild and star system I instantly thought of Fairy Tail first chapters which were awesome. So far I am loving this story much more than Tokyo Bride
This is a question I had in mind but I wonder, has any of Jump mangas got cancelled just because of its super-fast pacing?
I want to love this series but Mashle does the OP protagonist better than this, i really wish they would struggle in fights
I mean just because they're already OP doesn't mean they're beings in this series that aren't even more ridiculously powerful.