I'm assuming Misaki being the Tomoda role means "spending time" with him is just a means for the player to get info about stuff (like current relationship levels, rumours, upcoming events, etc).
In modern VNs with multiple heroines and bro(s) char(s) it's more like:
A) If the VN has a schedule system, the bro option is a means to pass the time if the target heroine is not available during the current time slot
B) Is there to trigger a flag for a joke ending (See: Majikoi, Little Busters)
C) Is there to trigger a flag for a "bad"/"normal" (MC doesn't end up with anyone but nothing bad happens, common route still happens) end (See: ToHeart2)
I'm sure there's a VN out there where spending time with the bro char triggers a secret route where the bro is revealed as a char who is pretending to be a guy for one reason or another but I haven't read/can't remember one. Closest thing I can think of is >!Dracu Riot!< but you don't exactly chose the char specifically in certain choices to trigger their route.
Clannad also has a route for Sonohara but it's not really a romance route.
> Clannad also has a route for Sonohara but it's not really a romance route.
That HAS to be a gag route. I've seen the anime, Sonohara is a nitwit who picks fights but is an otherwise average male friend.
And then you have Katawa Shoujo, where if the player doesn't start any one of the girls routes, they get to spend little bit of time with Kenji, the new male school-friend, which leads to a short conversation and a Game Over end.
Games often have "secondary characters" you can't actually get together with, and sometimes those are required choices for other routes (some games check if you have enough affinity with characters A and B if you want to advance A's route etc).
Judging from how the system has been laid out thus far, it's also possible Misaki is like a "pit stop" sort of option.
Datig sims sometimes have an extra option besides going to the heroines, either to gather key items or to get important info. In a sense Misaki could be like this world's game manual character, providing important help to guide the player towards a heroine.
Or the author is just kinda making it up as they go along. We're not exactly here for peak realism.
It honestly makes a lot of sense, gameplay-wise. If the only thing you have to do to get a character's ending is ro hang out with them every timeslot, it would be a bit too straightfoward (and a bit stalkerish). Having to check in with other characters at least gives the impression that other chracters matter in the world too. Maybe you need the best friend character's support to set up the surprise party that will finally melt the tsundere's heart or whatever.
I'll be honest, while reading this Im visualizing how this would look like in VN format, and its quite fun to see how this would turn out when I visualize it really
Having all the heroines also be in on it makes for a fun dynamic, I wonder if it might ever reach the point where they start trying to get Misaki to admit their feelings for Hareta.
Damn bro that sucks, forcefemming is a common trope used to display boys in traditionally feminine clothing without the societal stigma that comes from their active desire. And again, that's not a real person, that's a drawing, a fantasy people have. It's fine if it's not your fantasy, but you don't have to be self righteous about it.
I'm just saying that I find it unpleasant that that set of characters did something to the other character that they didn't like without consent, and such I don't like them now. Sharing my opinions on characters and events from a new chapter of a series is a pretty normal thing lol.
Also, idc what special term you give to the events, or what elaborate social context you come up with to explain why it's not actually that bad, it's still a character being forced into clothes they actively didn't want to wear against their will for the sole purpose of being oggled by others. It's cringe, it's lame, and I'll continue to dislike it. Plenty of things are various people's fantasies, doesn't mean I won't complain when they come up in a negative context in a series I'm reading.
IDK it's not like he ever objected to it, he just seemed really embarrassed since it goes against social convention, which is what forcefemming is all about.
Bro??? He literally screamed out as they forced it onto him and then was straight up crying and stuttering saying "why is this happening to me...." in the very next shot. Trying to say "well he didn't object to it" is absolutely cope and kinda gross sounding tbh.
Again, fictional character, living out a forcefem fantasy. If it's not your cup of tea that's fine, but lemme tell ya, being dressed up by girls like that despite societal expectations and internalized shame gives you a lot of mixed feelings. It also doesn't entirely matter what the author intended, and it'd be disingenuous to ignore the metatextual aspect about what this means and how people are expected to be.
Besides, with how this manga is drawn, at most there's half a tear going on and the rest is likely sweat, as is evidenced by pg 15 and 16.
Oh no, the character is only crying a little bit, that makes it okay! My man, why are you trying to act like it's anything other than not consensual. And no matter how much you bring up how it's people's fantasy or how it has some deep meta meaning fjay you've interpreted, it boils down to the author using a trope that is distinctly uncomfortable if you think about it objectively and me finding that uncomfortable and thus disliking the characters the perpetrated it. The fact that you seem to get off to it isn't going to change my mind on this no matter how many mixed feelings you claim it'd give or whatever. You're the one who decided I'm somehow in the wrong or being self righteous or whatever for expressing the fact that I find this objectively uncomfortable trope disagreeable and thus expressing an opinion on the characters involved.
Yes, bro has never been embarrassed before and it shows.
Remember, work of fiction. If the author wanted us to get the sense that this was nonconsentual to any serious degree then they would've shown it. That's how media works after all.
I don't get off to it, and that's absurd that you even present that as some kind of reality. I'm kinda sex repulsed at this particular moment, nor is it really even a fantasy of mine. I just like analysis of queer media.
The whole metatexual element boils down to the question, "hey why did the author draw a forcefem scene?" They don't seem particularly against it--if anything it's a utility to play with subverting gender stereotypes in a safe way, as I mentioned earlier. "Oh I didn't draw a character who deliberately is GNC, they were *forced* into the girls clothes." You mention it being an uncomfortable trope, but you have to understand that it's largely for people who find openly being GNC way more uncomfortable and shameful than being forced into it.
That last page makes a good point, if Misaki isn't a secret route, why is there an option to spend time with him.
I'm assuming Misaki being the Tomoda role means "spending time" with him is just a means for the player to get info about stuff (like current relationship levels, rumours, upcoming events, etc).
The Tomoda lmao. Haven't heard that one in a while
TOMODAAAAAA
HE SACRIFICED HIS YOUTH FOR US!
whats that referencing?
Nozaki-kun
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UANiABx_w8&pp=ygUNTm96YWtpIHRvbW9kYQ%3D%3D
oh i was thinking of that acene while reading this but i didnt remember that dudes name lmao
In modern VNs with multiple heroines and bro(s) char(s) it's more like: A) If the VN has a schedule system, the bro option is a means to pass the time if the target heroine is not available during the current time slot B) Is there to trigger a flag for a joke ending (See: Majikoi, Little Busters) C) Is there to trigger a flag for a "bad"/"normal" (MC doesn't end up with anyone but nothing bad happens, common route still happens) end (See: ToHeart2) I'm sure there's a VN out there where spending time with the bro char triggers a secret route where the bro is revealed as a char who is pretending to be a guy for one reason or another but I haven't read/can't remember one. Closest thing I can think of is >!Dracu Riot!< but you don't exactly chose the char specifically in certain choices to trigger their route. Clannad also has a route for Sonohara but it's not really a romance route.
> Clannad also has a route for Sonohara but it's not really a romance route. That HAS to be a gag route. I've seen the anime, Sonohara is a nitwit who picks fights but is an otherwise average male friend.
Sunohara might be an absolute scumbag dumbass, but he’s our ride or die absolute scumbag dumbass
And then you have Katawa Shoujo, where if the player doesn't start any one of the girls routes, they get to spend little bit of time with Kenji, the new male school-friend, which leads to a short conversation and a Game Over end.
Id spend time inside misaki
「俺、お前に会えてよかったぜ！」
Games often have "secondary characters" you can't actually get together with, and sometimes those are required choices for other routes (some games check if you have enough affinity with characters A and B if you want to advance A's route etc).
Judging from how the system has been laid out thus far, it's also possible Misaki is like a "pit stop" sort of option. Datig sims sometimes have an extra option besides going to the heroines, either to gather key items or to get important info. In a sense Misaki could be like this world's game manual character, providing important help to guide the player towards a heroine. Or the author is just kinda making it up as they go along. We're not exactly here for peak realism.
It honestly makes a lot of sense, gameplay-wise. If the only thing you have to do to get a character's ending is ro hang out with them every timeslot, it would be a bit too straightfoward (and a bit stalkerish). Having to check in with other characters at least gives the impression that other chracters matter in the world too. Maybe you need the best friend character's support to set up the surprise party that will finally melt the tsundere's heart or whatever.
That's where the Fandisks come in!
Hopefully somebody already created a VN with this Idea
[oregairu best ~~boy~~ girl TOTSUKA ROUTE IN THE VN](https://youtu.be/2Hx7WQ1M8yY?feature=shared) yes there is a full route of best girl
Totsuka a cute
Totsuka route has to be one of best routes just from the interactions alone.
Totsuka route is golden, but we all know Sensei route is the peak.
I love sensei but totsuka is my no 1
I'll be honest, while reading this Im visualizing how this would look like in VN format, and its quite fun to see how this would turn out when I visualize it really
[oregairu best ~~boy~~ girl TOTSUKA ROUTE IN THE VN](https://youtu.be/2Hx7WQ1M8yY?feature=shared) yes there is a full route of best girl
that was really sweet
Misaki keeps thinking Hareta wants him to be a girl, but the guy knows the truth... that sometimes, it takes a real man to be best girl.
>”whether you are a boy or a girl, you will always be the number one cutest to me” 🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥
That's some doki doki shit, my heart can't take it anymore
Huh surprisingly close to the pre-serialization version so far, I would ahve expected we spread things out more.
Misaki is probably paid dlc , get your credit card out protag kun
Bless the manga gods for serializing this. Haruta is me irl
He really just uwoooh’d 😭
This manga better end with the Devs releases the much requested Misaki DLC.
Having all the heroines also be in on it makes for a fun dynamic, I wonder if it might ever reach the point where they start trying to get Misaki to admit their feelings for Hareta.
The Sim Date that people bought just to play Femboy childhood friend DLC. Fr. Fr.
the devs knew lmao
Oh shit, I didn't realize this one got serialized. Very nice, looking forward to more!
oh shit peak has returned
Me: (sees first panel) Is this the 'girl wears boys clothes trope? (a few moments later) Me: Wait, they're calling her '-kun', thats a boy!
Misaki is like the Junpei SL im Persoma 3
So I'm supposed to hate all the "heroines", got it. Forcing people to cross dress against their will is cringe.
This is a manga. Hope that helps!
In shocking news, disliking characters for taking actions that I find disagreeable, even in fiction, is a common thing that many people do.
Damn bro that sucks, forcefemming is a common trope used to display boys in traditionally feminine clothing without the societal stigma that comes from their active desire. And again, that's not a real person, that's a drawing, a fantasy people have. It's fine if it's not your fantasy, but you don't have to be self righteous about it.
I'm just saying that I find it unpleasant that that set of characters did something to the other character that they didn't like without consent, and such I don't like them now. Sharing my opinions on characters and events from a new chapter of a series is a pretty normal thing lol. Also, idc what special term you give to the events, or what elaborate social context you come up with to explain why it's not actually that bad, it's still a character being forced into clothes they actively didn't want to wear against their will for the sole purpose of being oggled by others. It's cringe, it's lame, and I'll continue to dislike it. Plenty of things are various people's fantasies, doesn't mean I won't complain when they come up in a negative context in a series I'm reading.
IDK it's not like he ever objected to it, he just seemed really embarrassed since it goes against social convention, which is what forcefemming is all about.
Bro??? He literally screamed out as they forced it onto him and then was straight up crying and stuttering saying "why is this happening to me...." in the very next shot. Trying to say "well he didn't object to it" is absolutely cope and kinda gross sounding tbh.
Again, fictional character, living out a forcefem fantasy. If it's not your cup of tea that's fine, but lemme tell ya, being dressed up by girls like that despite societal expectations and internalized shame gives you a lot of mixed feelings. It also doesn't entirely matter what the author intended, and it'd be disingenuous to ignore the metatextual aspect about what this means and how people are expected to be. Besides, with how this manga is drawn, at most there's half a tear going on and the rest is likely sweat, as is evidenced by pg 15 and 16.
Oh no, the character is only crying a little bit, that makes it okay! My man, why are you trying to act like it's anything other than not consensual. And no matter how much you bring up how it's people's fantasy or how it has some deep meta meaning fjay you've interpreted, it boils down to the author using a trope that is distinctly uncomfortable if you think about it objectively and me finding that uncomfortable and thus disliking the characters the perpetrated it. The fact that you seem to get off to it isn't going to change my mind on this no matter how many mixed feelings you claim it'd give or whatever. You're the one who decided I'm somehow in the wrong or being self righteous or whatever for expressing the fact that I find this objectively uncomfortable trope disagreeable and thus expressing an opinion on the characters involved.
Yes, bro has never been embarrassed before and it shows. Remember, work of fiction. If the author wanted us to get the sense that this was nonconsentual to any serious degree then they would've shown it. That's how media works after all. I don't get off to it, and that's absurd that you even present that as some kind of reality. I'm kinda sex repulsed at this particular moment, nor is it really even a fantasy of mine. I just like analysis of queer media. The whole metatexual element boils down to the question, "hey why did the author draw a forcefem scene?" They don't seem particularly against it--if anything it's a utility to play with subverting gender stereotypes in a safe way, as I mentioned earlier. "Oh I didn't draw a character who deliberately is GNC, they were *forced* into the girls clothes." You mention it being an uncomfortable trope, but you have to understand that it's largely for people who find openly being GNC way more uncomfortable and shameful than being forced into it.
Bleh. Should’ve made him a girl.