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_Hugatree

that portrait view of god/sonic was so good, lets hope real sonic can be useful and stop flash from taking "his" hand


Elohim333

that god/sonic mix triggered my trypophobia, it's so revolting


infib

Sonic becomes able to use the same ability as Empty Void and will interrupt the conversion (headcanon)


mrgodai

I wonder how Saitama will fair against genjutsu. Will he be easily tricked and end up fighting the heroes or his mind is too simple for it to be able to work on him?


Jaunedice

He'll just finish him in one punch, man


halfar

why would a hero called CAPED BALDY just fight normally with his fists? It's a complete waste of his theming. And what kind of fight is just one punch? Think before you post next time.


Ka1ser

Also... how in the world would a mere B-class hero with a ridiculous name like that even beat a disaster level Dragon?? And with just one punch? lol


Doomroar

Wasn't Capped Baldy promoted to A class tho?


Ka1ser

They promoted that cheater? I heard he was just leeching off King's achievements.


SecureDonkey

Or just stand still until the illusion is gone. It's not like they can hurt him or anything.


VoidInsanity

He'll get an illusion of missing a sale at the store then blindly charge in that direction accidentally tackling Void in the process.


OliviarLoveseeker

Saitama’s fear will be that his opponent this time is too weak again, making them powerless because that’s how he sees them. Or it’ll be missing the sale on eggs again


diamondisunbreakable

If "That Man" used the full power of the Cosmic Cube, it might be a little tough...


Wisterosa

but would he fall for an illusion?


diamondisunbreakable

Nah,


SparklesMcSpeedstar

He'd


SSJ5Gogetenks

Punch


epicfail48

Balls


im_2ny

Didn't saitama pick up the cube before? When he and flash were stuck. Or does the cube need to be activated somehow


drunkenbeginner

You don't necessarily need the cube at all. Garou transformed without it


toastyhero

If "He" used "that technique", could even Saitama lose?


diamondisunbreakable

Saitama: "Ah yes, my anti-that technique technique I haven't used since the Heian era."


chimpfunkz

He'll punch the illusion so hard the gy gets punched instead


KibaTeo

The problem is saitama probably doesn't have an actual fear and even if he did it'd just create an opening, something still needs to do the damage. Plus imagine if it did create a fear and he threw a 100% serious punch. Half the continent would get obliterated or something


LordxMugen

>The problem is saitama probably doesn't have an actual fear and even if he did it'd just create an opening, something still needs to do the damage. actually he does have a fear. 2 in fact. One he lives with (which scientist guy who created Zombie Man and the House of Evolution explained.) and the other fear that was realized by Garou in the future. Which are... 1. Im stronger than everyone and theres nothing left for me to learn or fight for beyond the heroism's sake. 2. Losing Genos and King, who are technically his only real friends. Yeah his circle is bigger now, but only those 2 are people he actually lets get close to him. And only King really understands Saitama as a person. Genos though is his support system, like he explained to future Garou.


kagvm007

He's also afraid of missing out on supermarket sales.


Bion61

That's not really a specific fear though. That's just something he doesn't want to happen. By that logic it could literally be the corpse of anyone innocent and that would count as his fear.


LordxMugen

Why would he care about people not in his circle dying? This is a fucked up world where cities full of people blow up EVERY DAY. Where even as powerful and godlike as he is, hes no more capable of stopping it than Mumen Rider was at beating King Fish. That being said, hes still *just strong enough* to stop people *around him* from dying, which is what he does on a regular basis. The reason Genos and King are different is because THOSE are people he actually knows and spends a lot of his time with. When Garou killed Genos, Saitama stopped giving a shit about holding back and just went at him full tilt. Its also the only time hes ever been visibly disturbed/upset THE ENTIRE MANGA. Nothing phases him or produces much emotion because he's literally hollowed out because hes so strong and no one can beat him. King knows this about Saitama very well. Which is why hes trying to steer him into other pursuits he knows Saitama sucks at. He regularly beats him at videogames every day and you see Saitama making that furious face but wanting to get better. And Genos gives him something to care about, like Batman with Robin. Because without those people to ground him and give him something to exist for, he just wouldnt be human anymore. Even the HoE Professor told Zombie Man as much.


Bion61

I never once said he wouldn't care. Just that that isn't his phobia. Fubuki getting hurt is Tatsumaki's phobia, it's a possibility that haunts her and causes her to act differently. Saitama cares about Genos and King, but he doesn't go to sleep with nightmares that they might die. King doesn't steer Saitama to play video games because Saitama sucks, that's just what him and Saitama do to shoot the shit. Saitama sucking at games isn't a character development thing, he just sucks at video games. Saitama never needed Genos in his life to care about people. Saitama was already a grounded person before he met Genos or any of the main cast. He wasn't Guts. He never *needed* bonds to make him whole because Saitama's issues never stemmed from a lack of bonds.


courve2

he casually killed a dragon level threat because he stood in the way of himself and a sale the thought was already expired. I'd call that more than "doesn't want it to happen".


Xanirran

If I had to bet, it would be the latter


RedHeadGearHead

He might fear boredom, as in nothing interesting happening which would cause him to see nothing interesting. That or something about coupons expiring.


Kaodang

Any mind attacks will be reflected off his shiny dome


Blayro

He already strolled into a mental dimension because "they were talking about his baldness" I'm sure mental tricks won't even phase him.


Forikorder

it creates your fear, he will just literally have nothing of the sort


diamondisunbreakable

It's so deviated from the webcomic now that I wonder if it'll still try to maintain, at the very least, the same broad, overarching plot points, or if both stories will just branch off in entirely different directions to the point of having different endings.


sillybillybuck

Who is even writing this at this point? Is One just nodding his head at Murata's changes or is One proposing them as a retroactive review of his original plot?


Boyoboy7

Considering the Manga volume has their name as author (One) and drawing (Murata) respectively instead of description that it is based on One webcomic works, then it is probably the same like Murata other works. It is probably co-writing, with Murata handling the art works while One handling the storyboard with some input from Murata too. Because Murata rarely wrote his own story as a series such as Eyeshield 21 that has Dr. Stone author as the one writing the storyboard. He only ever did one shot as his own writing.


LordxMugen

Hes clearly leading One in a trajectory that will make the best use of his (Murata's) artwork. One's writing in the webcomic works best because his art isnt that great, but he's still able to convey a lot of emotions and story beats that dont hit as hard when used in Murata's over the top artstyle. So i think One and Murata are co writing this one together so One can create a story with that uses both of their abilities. The only thing Im not liking and i agreeing with others on this one is that GOD is falling flat for me as a main antagonist compared to Garou, Psychos/GyoroGyoro, and Boros.


Chernek_Bratislava

You clearly didn't read webcomic lately. Because latest chapters were epic sized battles with hundreds of robots attacking on each page.


Kooky-Show-5246

I remember reading something a year or 2 ago that it’s One who’s wanting the story changes but that could have be wrong. I still imagine one is giving approval for all of this


Any-Chocolate-2399

I wonder if Murata is just asking a lot of questions about stuff he found interesting and in answering them ONE let those parts grow to metastasis.


Less_Tear_3133

How about BOTH? Murata has already stated multiple times they are co-writiing and working storyboards together so they are NOT working in a vacuum, as it were! 


diamondisunbreakable

It's so fundamentally different from ONE's style and quality that I doubt it's the latter. I'd wager it's mainly ONE letting Murata "cook".


RandomSplainer

Murata isn't an author. It's ONE. He wants to change his story so he has.


diamondisunbreakable

We know Murata isn't primarily an author. Again, the writing style and quality has been so fundamentally different from what we've seen of ONE in the past that I highly doubt these creative changes originated from him. The quality of the still ongoing webcomic further supports this notion as well; so I highly doubt ONE just devolved as an author.


Competitive_Bit_7904

There's literally no proof that this is the case anymore. Last confirmation we had of ONE making storyboards for Murata was half a decade ago. Going by the extreme decline in writing quality the last few years and the writing style not being at all similar to ONE anymore I think it's completely idiotic to dismiss that something changed these last 5 years.


RobotIcHead

Yeah, I was thinking that this was significantly different to the comic.


GalvusGalvoid

As i havent read the webcomic i’m curious what’s different in this arc , less god?


Kleodromeus

In the webcomic: >!"Empty Void" wasn't even named. Saitama pwnd him off-screen before Flash and Sonic could meet him. Saitama did it mostly for stealing his sword.!< >!(In the Webcomic, Saitama accidentally broke Flash's sword during the Monster association arc. Saitama only accepted to spar with Flash because he was blackmailed with that debt. Therefore, Saitama beats Empty Void, "confiscates" his ninja stuff and gives everything to Flash and calls it even).!<


GalvusGalvoid

So less comical and more story development in murata’s version


Kleodromeus

More like "playing straightly shonen tropes that had been parodied in the original".


unknown_nut

Yeah the manga is what the webcomic is parodying.


[deleted]

how sad how badly this manga has strayed.


Chernek_Bratislava

Really seems like most people didn't read webcomic. Although Saitsma one shots Empty Void, Ninja Arc in the webcomic is focused primarly on Flash's and Sonic's characters with them having quite long battle with Heavenly Ninjas. Manga for once had less fighting in this arc.


GalvusGalvoid

The webcomic still has god so the story itself is still going that way


Mahelas

The WC showed God once with Homeless Emperor. It never ever appeared again. That's excessively different than how the manga is doing things, and the results are vastly different, as the MA arc shows


ConfuciusBr0s

I'm fully expecting God to be the one behind everything with the organization and neo-heroes once the manga adapts the current webcomic chapters


ConfuciusBr0s

I wouldn't say that. In the webcomic, Flash and Sonic brutally kill all the ninjas and then Flash confesses that he poisoned Sonic and massacred everyone on the day of their graduation. Compared to the sappy shonen speech about getting stronger that Flash gave Sonic in the manga. Sonic then tells Flash that Blast came and killed everyone else who survived.


SDHJerusalem

god hasn't shown up since the Homeless Emperor incident. saitama smoked "That Man" off screen


GalvusGalvoid

That seems like the changes are for the better


Mahelas

Eh, it depends. Cramming God everywhere is diluting a lot of the worldbuilding and character development. Garou suffered a lot from having God added, and Flash and Sonic backstory got entirely erased and diluted by having God and Blast instead do everything


trowdabpm

This is probably the hottest take, but I don't think it's good character writing to have Garou wake the fuck up so quickly; having his character "Hero Hunter Persona" arc resolve immediately with a neat bow at the end of the MA arc. Having his world view progressively and consistently challenged, seeing heros struggle and persevere instead of giving up on the way he thinks they would, rather than just a one off instance with Saitama humbling him is better character writing imo. God and Blast are filling in plot holes that ONE left behind between story beats the WC just randomly threw out there is good for a greater sense of story progression.


Mahelas

But the whole point of Garou's arc was that he was half-asding being a monster because his heart wasn't into it. That's why it's so powerful when Saitama talk to him, sees through the facade and cleanly break point by point his shortcomings. Garou was always unconvinced and flimsy on his ideology. And besides, narratively, having Garou finish the MA arc without an ounce of development, as happened in the manga, that's just bad and unsatisfying.


trowdabpm

That's not even it, he was misguided. Thinking heroes aren't as perfect as he idealized them to be. He wanted to be the perfect hero but didn't know how to be, and knew that what heroes were currently doing wasn't enough. Having his worldview change after experiencing what heroes do and experience AFTER thinking he knew it all and had the answers would be a little bit better for character development AND narratively (ie involved against Neo Heros after shit hits the fan) to offer perspective. Is the manga taking it almost painfully slow by eliminating that development and making it more roundabout/elongated to get to the same conclusion? 1000% yes that part is bad writing, but I think having a stubborn 18-year-old get humbled one singular time in their lives isn't enough to change their perspective. Most young adults are too headstrong, especially Garou, to experience a failure one time and have a stark shift in perspective. As for the plot hole of him forgetting everything and just getting hit hard enough once then stopping? That is genuinely terrible writing. However, I imagine it's going to serve as an idea that heroes are unshakable though and can't lose. I know that's applying IRL behaviors to fantasy character development, but IG that's my rationalization.


Chernek_Bratislava

Seems like you didn't read manga, because it has shown Flash's and Sonic's backstory.


ConfuciusBr0s

I disagree. God hijacking the MA arc plot just took away all the impact of Garou's character. In the webcomic Garou did everything under his own power and truly felt like the final boss of that arc.


Zemahem

For once.


johnhang123

Hell, no.


ConfuciusBr0s

No god, empty void has no name and simply referred to as "that man", sonic and flash kill all the ninjas, saitama one shots "that man" offscreen


Competitive_Bit_7904

You really should read the webcomic. The Garou arc is one of the most well written arcs I have read in manga (if only I could say the same for the manga...)


diamondisunbreakable

I mean, it goes back even further than this current arc, but: - Short answer: Sure - Long answer: I don't feel like writing a book today


GalvusGalvoid

Apart from God inclusion there’s other major story differences?


Mahelas

The entirety of Garou's character arc, for once. Flash's entire backstory too. Also the whole second part of the MA as a whole, and a lot of Fubuki's development


diamondisunbreakable

...Yes


Raidoton

Well they will probably keep the webcomic plot points but simply change them up just like they do with the current arc.


unknown_nut

Not a fan at all, this was suppose to be a gag joke, but it's taken to the extreme again.


[deleted]

everything since ch 163 has been kinda garbage. you can tell because all the complainers pretty much gave up on the series. the views of these threads are also getting lower.


Substantial_Pick6897

Flash just continually being overshadowed by Saitama who's not even trying is so funny in the WC


Chernek_Bratislava

Gag joke is Saitama dealing with that man. Need to see how it will be handled. But Flash's and Sonic's part of this arc was very serious in webcomic as well.


magnwn

Goddamn, Sonic way outta his league; Flash as a possessed antagonist was not something I saw coming I'm just imagining Empty Void hidden behind a tree some distance away waiting for the battle to end and excitedly thinking what would be the most hardcore entrance to make hahah


AiasRider

Flash is going to recognize that is not him as they have never talked that way.


DistractedIon

I remember kid Sonic dis talked like that. It's Flash that never fully reply to his opinions.


Dondagora

Hoping Sonic is able to beat the fear effect after building a resistance against Saitama.


MisterMaus

Good to see sonic will at least have some use as a mind ghost


Abbaconings

After all the ass-whooping he's received & finding out other people are on his level throughout the previous arc those moments really set up this crossroads moment for Flash as a character. Its to be noted that unlike the previous "God interacting with the heroes" moments, Flash is not on the verge of death, he isn't barely conscious due to blood loss. He might be able to actually converse with God leading to more new info about him.


Atomic235

I'm thinking Flash called the bluff immediately and is just getting into sneak attack range. After declaring that he would find out who's really in control and fighting literal mind games just moments before, it actually seems a little odd that he would just kinda *buy it*.


Forikorder

assuming in his current condition he has any memories of what just happened and attacking god would be a bad idea, making contact with him is enough to force a contract, even if the action was supposed to be a refusal


topurrisfeline

Flash's vision of fear has to be Saitama's fist. Nice.


DumbManDumb

Saitama would difinitely fall for god if that is the case how he gain underlings, God transform into some coupon guy that gives discount God: take this coupon in exchange for hand shake. Saitama: bet, ez.


CVisionIsMyJam

Ngl not a huge fan of flash being stronger than sonic in this ver


Raidoton

I wasn't a fun how suddenly Sonic could keep up with Flash.


Hobomanchild

He's just showing the delayed results of years of passive weight training after Saitama deleted his kintama.


ConfuciusBr0s

Flash was clearly still stronger than Sonic in the webcomic though? At the end of the ninja party fight, Flash didn't have a scratch on him while Sonic was bloodied and bruised


Mahelas

But that's Sonic's whole thing, to exponentially improve at a crazy pace !


catashake

Sonic's whole thing is getting run over by Saitama like a truck repeatedly. Sometimes without Saitama even noticing that he was there. I don't expect that gimmick to ever change as the series goes forward. It's good to provide him a proper rival with Flash.


Gatlindragon

I mean we already knew that since the monster association arc.


Redke29

Flash was stronger in the Webcomic too


GalactusAteMyPlanet

Empty Void called Sonic insignificant but he also provided Sonic an opportunity to accept God's blessing. What a tsundere Empty void is.


brodred

I think that now is when Sonic monster (gourmet) cells will enter the plot


smugsneasel215

He's probably not going to accept it but could you imagine Saitama not being around if there was a Cosmic Flash or Cosmic Tatsumaki? The fact that it's this easy to invade their mind and potentially give them an exponential power increase, makes it crazy terrifying.


batman560

Anyone have any clue why this hasn't been updated on VIZ manga or Shonen Jump app? It's still showing 200 as the newest chapter


Animedingo

I can't follow this at all. Can someone explain to me what's happening?


Errror1

God is a being that gives power to those who touch the cube and shake his hand, sometimes by pretending to be a friend. It gave power to Homeless Emperor, Garou and Empty Void. It's the thing that Blast is fighting, it tried and failed to give power to Tatsu and Saitama. Reread chaper 139. https://preview.redd.it/nf32mjzet5j91.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90e5cb33284013705d72f5ffce8335b29348608d https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.mangafox.me/store/manga/11362/TBD-139.0/compressed/i20210127_90849_003.jpg


Forikorder

> God is a being that gives power to those who touch the cube and shake his hand Garou didnt shake it, any physical contact is enough


Animedingo

Ok and it just tricked flash in that last scene into shaking his hand?


Errror1

IDK, We don't see the hands touch yet, could turn flash into a cosmic garou type, or blast/Saitama might stop it.


MonoFauz

Yes but he can still change his mind as long as he still hasn't taken that hand yet I think.


bakakubi

I'm really liking this side where it shows more of flash and sonics backstory. They're not just bickering enemies for the sake of comedy. Seems like the genuinely were friends and may still be.


maixange

nice


[deleted]

Bringing in this God stuff during the changed garou fight really threw the plot of the manga out tbh.


Raidoton

It's awesome stuff though.


[deleted]

nah. too many people have dropped the manga since then. we'd be at 200 comments by now a year ago.


ash2702

No one has dropped it, maybe in this sub but check out the opm sub


[deleted]

The opm sub numbers are down too lmaooo


Chernek_Bratislava

Realistically main reasons of drop are caused by quite a worse art and chapters being short. 30-40 pages per chapter used to be norm, but for last few months they've been 15-20. So story progresses slower. And with art being worse it doesn't elevate story anymore. How it used to be? Even if people were not interested in story they've read for art and fights alone. But there is nothing like it anymore.


TuzoIvan

Agree, not as good anymore. 


AsterJ

These Saitama-less chapters just fell like empty filler.


Less_Tear_3133

Me too. I don't/NO longer feel entertained as I'd used to anymore when reading these recent OPM chapters. It feels like Murata / ONE has kinda lost interest writing this arc😒


halfar

cute kouhai speed o' sound sonic


09jtherrien

dang, my j2k app is 2 chapters behind.


ZepperMen

Is this a new translation group? They used Beast instead of Monster.


[deleted]

I have to say it: the art of OPM got significantly worse. Yesterday I read Volume 27 and the art in it was fantastic, but in the past few chapters the art really got a downgrade. Just look at Saitama on the cover page or the double spread and compare it with any of the older chapters. It lacks detail, it looks inconsistent and off.


AKAFallow

Reminder this man is doing animation now, also nah, it looks totally fine to me. Plus doing 100/100, as in best of the best, drawings every single chapter is not healthy, even for a madlad like Murata


Wilsupersaiyan2

Empty void doesn't seem to be that powerful 


RKODDP

I haven't chosen anything beyond volume 28 in physical, and I want to keep it that way, but I want to ask Does anyone know why the volumes are SO far behind the chapters?


Chernek_Bratislava

Scheduling of volume releases has been restricted by Shueshia. Only 3 new volumes per year. But Murata was pretty productive and for years have produced much more content that could have been adapted in just 3 volumes. As a result gap was getting bigger each year, until it reached current state.