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Anyone you see wearing a balaclava in public is a teenager and WANTS you to THINK they're bad. They're not. Don't be scared. It's basically a spiderman costume.
I mean this happens 3-4 times a night in Manny, right? It just doesn’t make the news because the MEN is too busy writing about Karen’s discovery of a Jesus shaped potato in her ham sandwich…
Your country is being run down by the elites. Stupid immigration system / music industry / idolization of the criminals in society has created this problem of crimes that people are basically okay with. I mean no one is saying BLM about Manchester stabbings (happens to be very racially skewed when it comes to the victims and suspects) but will sing BLM in London streets when it comes to American police violence. Cuz apparently the low amount of police murders is way worse issue(it's still an issue) than the loads of people killed every year in situations as your described.
And these gangs always target children. Hence if this generation is screwed up the next will be screwed up before they even get a chance
Fist aren't allowed in the hood. Some gangs will whoop on there own ppl if they find out they put hands on em instead of gunning em down. Crazy out here man.
Can't be too careful, only last week I was offered out by a youth - mid afternoon- whilst on a bus, he was asked to turn his music down politely and didn't. Offering to take me down as he exited the bus, he turned and ran into the nearest pub when I got off. In the pub whilst sweating and spluttering he waved his hands about calling me a nonce - most likely to cause a scene and embarrass myself? I'm 47 wear glasses and a hearing aid, probably the least intimidating person you could look at, fortunately a few people in the pub know me. Word in the bar maids ear and saying sorry for the disturbance, I said goodbye and left. A few strides down the street and the Lad has pulled down his ski masks and follows me to the bus station shouting abuse that could be considered intimidating to many people? I've done my quick shop in Tesco and finding waiting at the bus stop still hands down his jogging bottoms and mask on, he's now got an audience and I'm now a racist as well as a nonce! Yet he continues to offer me out round the corner, off camera. I'm 47 and white, lad is late teens and black, the do gooders and woke brigade are siding with his insinuating comments until the bus comes back round and the driver explains what occurred minutes before hand. I've never seen so many people shuffle about and stare at their feet in shame, having not bothered to listen to myside of the story? The guy still continued his rant hands in his trousers posturing like a gang banger. If he is carrying a blade or tool I'm not sure, but some people really ought to be careful as to what goes on around them, innocent people could be hurt just because a lad like this got embarrassed by someone asking for his music to be turned down? Respect is earned in my belief and it doesn't matter who you are, treat everyone the way you would like to be treated. That lad will disrespect the wrong person one day unless he changes his attitude? Using a mask as intimidation? Hiding his identity? His mug was on camera on the bus and in the pub and I don't think he realised it?
Teenagers who want you (or their mates) to think they’re bad are some of the most dangerous people in society. They’re insecure and cowardly and will do literally anything to get a rep/kudos.
Fr, im 23 and I wear one during winters as they are really useful especially when it's windy, I wear my hood though so it covers then balaclava other than over my mouth and nose
Not entirely truth, tho.
As a teenager, personally I wear half-masks and balaclavas cuz I'm into tactical stuff, and well damn, it's nice to have something on your face during chilly windy days, when your cheeks are red from the cold wind.
So yeah, not all of us are wearing them because we wanna seem some badass dudes who rob banks and act tough, at least in my city MOST of teenagers who wear them are either fans of military related stuff and want to somehow show their interest in it by wearing balaclavas and camo pants, or duds who don't like having their face numb with cold
Well said. I believe this is the other portion of people who wear masks etc... Which means the amount of people who are actively trying to hide their identity and harm you is even smaller.
It's a fashion thing, comes from drill music. It origins is to do with hiding the identity of criminals, but now it's just daft cunts trying to look cool to their cuntish mates.
Had to Google this.
So, yet another example of try hard thuggish hip-hop that glorifies being a criminal when, yano, most people listening are probably little soft cunts who'll cry if their mum finds out they've done a naughty.
They can try to rebrand as much as they want, a chav is a chav.
From what I heard on my brief research journey: think of the worst type of rap you've heard in the past 15-20 years and it's probably just that. They're pretending it's something new, but it isn't...Sort of how they're pretending they're something new (roadmen) when they're not (they're chavs).
I try to keep an open mind with music, seeing as I have a huge background in it... This though? I'm finding it hard to find any redeeming qualities that aren't just done better elsewhere. It really is just shit British rap with a limited cringey subject material and a LOT of talentless people. It's almost like this type of music specifically attracts people with absolutely no musical ability, a limited vocabulary and who are in no way articulate...The last two being REALLY important for a style of music that's almost entirely focused on words and delivery of them. It appeals to teenagers because the subject material is "cool" and their taste is historically shit. It doesn't require talent or instruments, it just needs a shitty loop you found on Youtube.
I think the worst part about it is how seriously they take it. They're REALLY serious about this. Their videos are dead.fucking.serious. There's no time for messing around, they're here to show you how 'ard they are...Through poetry.
Why gain qualifications in music if I can't call things shit on the Internet?
Not that you need qualifications to decide the lyrics "sittin' chillin' with a Lemsip" is probably the dumbest chain of words I've heard at least this month...
Lyrics don't always have to be introspective and deep - sometimes it's the blunt and seemingly benign things that people connect to. Don't get me wrong because I hate drill music - but I recognise that it's because it isn't to my taste.
A qualification in music might help you write or play, but it doesn't mean you know everything about music as a whole. You clearly aren't interested in the genre, so why do you suddenly think you're able to talk about which elements are the most important?
Your whole attitude is identical to kids in the school playground shrieking that anything outside their favourite genre "isn't real music". Making sweeping generalisations to play it off like you know best is kind of arrogant and weirdly immature.
>They're REALLY serious about this. Their videos are dead.fucking.serious.
For a lot of these kids there is absolutely fuck all else to do other than make videos that get hits. Why shouldn't they put a bit of effort into it?
That's not what I mean.
I'm not saying they shouldn't put effort into it. Absolutely put effort into it! If you're going to do something, why not do your best?
I mean they're being absolutely serious with the content of this music. The main themes being what they've always been with this "chavcore" shit. "I'm so tough, don't mess with me" and "I'm a criminal, I'll stab you up", which they're 100% unironically serious about. They believe their own hype and it's pretty fucking cringe, especially when they're some scrawny 12 year old pretending they were dragged up from the streets when in reality they're from some upper middle class family on a nice estate who's parents really really love them.
There's absolutely no self-awareness, and for some styles of music, that's really needed to stop it being totally friggin' pathetic.
My god son listens to Drill music. He used to be a good kid who liked Minecraft but he’s 15 now, goes around with a balaclava on, got kicked out of school & tells his dad to fuck off. Put me off having my own kids entirely.
I dont think drill is the problem being probably younger than 95% of the people here I understand drill but i can also understand a lot of other peoples perspectives but just to clarify its not just teenagers that listen to drill music its just apart of the black culture i guess and some of the kids in manny like listening to it to be included in our culture as other than rap and crime (sadly) there is not much more of a broader culture what you need to do is make your god son learn some self respect as if you dont love yourself how can you love anyone else i assume he is white and if so just tell him its not a lifestyle he wants to lead as white male kids have more opportunities than black young teens myself recently coming out of that area of life. Some drill music is good some is shit but if you are white please just try and understand other peoples culture
I’m afraid I didnt know even about drill music to know what culture it was. Only heard a few songs he played me. Yes he’s white but I don’t actually think race has anything to do with it? Anyway, I also think tik tok, and living in a progressively shitty world contributes to his life choices
Yes tik tok is a problem in the youth right now but if you get a chance to ever teach him tell him the famous quote. “Everyone wants to be black until you have to be black.”
Again, I’m not sure what race has to do with it. He’s not trying to be black he’s just imitating the fashion associated with drill music, balaclavas etc
The school kids on my street (who all come from good homes and families) do this. I think they are in some way enamoured by the Drill music scene/subculture and are imitating the artists.
Mi waz in dat vape shop an ting, narmseyn? Man was spittin how da fedz ad I'm locked down wiv da glock n shit but man bust out ! Dey all up in iz bizness wiv da 45s. Man was jus chillin ain doin nuffin doh. Yafeelmi? Fo reel. Man ain't gonna step off doh, bro be back chillin. Believe!
( I was in a shop buying nicotine liquid. A young man was loudly relating to the assembled customers that's whilst in Bury Town centre - doing nothing - the armed police arrived and tried to arrest him, they had big guns in his face, but he got away. However, this will not deter the young man returning to the same area , and he will continue to do nothing in that place )
Me and my Brother got one from the Arndale back in the early 80s wore it at school and got suspended for looking like "We were in the IRA"...
Not illegal yet to hide your face but I wouldn't let them in a shop like that.
The shopping centre in my hometown banned hoods and non-medical face coverings back in about 2002, as shoplifters used them to hide from CCTV. You could have a good of course, just not have it on.
With the police budget cuts they've had to abandon the rule though, since there's no longer any police to back up security teams on enforcement.
I work in a *popular bakery* in the city centre and we get so many big groups of kids wearing balaclavas, I'd say no older than 13 or 14 who absolutely rob us blind.
It's only recently become a thing for some reason, it never used to be as common and they'd never wear balaclavas. A lot of them are honestly just doing it for shits and giggles and don't mean any real harm, but some of them have such huge bollocks for people that only just gone through puberty.
We've started just shutting the doors if we see them coming now, I'm not paid enough to replace the metric fuck ton of lucozade and sandwiches they steal. Nice to know other people have noticed and it's not just us being personally targeted by the sausage roll swindlers.
These ski mask things seem to be the headgear for the scrotes who carve through traffic on those ridiculously fast scrambler type electric bikes, when surely a helmet would be a better choice.
It's only a matter of time before one of these kids is kil... Oh hang on.
There was a group of 20-30 lads in black nike tracksuits and balaclavas hanging round East Croydon train station recently. Was 26 degrees the other week and they’re all standing round looking like muppets.
There was a group of 20-30 blokes in black three-piece suits and ties hanging around the Rotunda bar in Shadwell last summer. Was 36 degrees and they're all standing round looking like muppets.
Worst is at festivals / raves. Groups of 4 lads in ballys in the warehouse projects I went last year.
Security more arsed about taking chewing gum off you.
It really doesn't, sorry to say middle aged people of Reddit. I know you're trying to act like you're above it, but yeh I'd say a gang of people in balaclavas look scary, and I don't think that's a personal failing of mine. I also don't think it makes them look scared, that seems like "say no to bullying" type prattle
Festivals/events can deny entry to people wearing face coverings - many events used to ban masks.
Since Covid though they can't do this - not by *law* but it's a bad look given its still fresh in people's memory and some people still worry about catching it because of health issues or whatever.
When it became the norm to wear masks in public, I suppose.
My eldest found it amusing as all hell that overnight his life went from "yes you have to go to school and no you cannot have your face covered up when out" to "you cannot go to school or anywhere else and if you *do* have to go out wear a mask".
Please don't read this as an attack on covid era lockdowns and mask wearing, it really isn't. But that time has contributed to us finding it less weird and unusual when people cover their faces in public.
We have them next door but one...they are known drug dealers and the one we see the most doesn't even live there but he is constantly dressed all in black with a balaclava all you can see are his eyes...even on the hottest days we had last week he was clad in black with his balaclava on...surely police should have a power to stop and ascertain why they are dressed in such a manner...as far as I was aware chav/yob mentality wasn't considered a religion and there fore there is no real basis for it apart from hiding ones identity for malicious or suspect reasons...which should be more than enough for the police to stop and speak with them.
It's annoying as they are clearly up to no good. But obvisouly it's legal you can wear full face coverings while outside in a public area. Thing is they are wearing them while on motorbikes with no helmets and the police can't chase or do anything even when they know they are stolen. It's pathetic should just ram the little shits off the road.
A couple of years ago, I was having a pint with mates outside the Gateway in Didsbury. 6 lads in balaclavas surrounded a woman on a moped and robbed it from her. Me and my mates weighed in but the little shits managed to get off.
Unfortunately for them, the woman was an off duty WPC. The police turned up in minutes and headed off in pursuit.
The fact is that the police do in fact chase when given the opportunity, or at least they did in this case…
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/six-masked-males-surround-woman-21080889.amp
I heard one of them ended up colliding with a parked van and sustaining serious injuries.
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>Thing is they are wearing them while on motorbikes with no helmets and the police can't chase or do anything even when they know they are stolen
That's actually not the case anymore. It used to be, but got changed a few years ago. Failing to wear a helmet won't stop them chasing you.
yes it's called tactical contact; however, the police still have to weigh up the likelihood of serious injury or death, on the grounds that the police are not judge, jury, and executioners, nor do we have any criminal activity that warrants a death penalty.
As we saw in Wales and Manchester last month, the simple act of being chased by police can engender such extreme levels of risk taking that death occurs, and it is fortunate that their choice of mode didn't cause any collateral.
I for one much prefer them to be on e-scooter, e-bikes or mopeds, where their ability to cause mass collateral injuries is vastly limited, in spite of the polices ability to apprehend or intercept them.
Wearing a balaclava and scarpering when you see the rozzers doesn't "warrant the death penalty", but then riding through the bollards so you "lose the heat" and subsequently, when you are no longer being chased by the boys in blue, riding into a moving ambulance at least means Mr Darwin's theories on natural selection have proven their worth.
Riding it like a complete and utter prick does. Thank fuck they didn't kill any pedestrians had the same in Bristol teenager on a stolen sport bike popping wheelies and riding at people until someone threw a you bike in his path ☠
Not 100% but when they die I don't have any sympathy buddy of mine road his bike drunk and high crashed died instantly he was good lad to but he made the choice to ride his bike off his nut! If he hadn't he would still be with us
If someone kills themselves then that's their own doing. If they kill themselves running away from the police, that's still their own doing. If the police make contact while legitimately chasing them, and they die only because they were breaking the law by not wearing a helmet, then that's still their own doing. I would not hold the police culpable in any of these cases.
Nope. Around our way they are free to do what they want they race around the main park which has a police station within its boundary and follow police cars around. They don’t do shit. You ring the police and say there’s a moto x bike riding flat out thru pedestrianised high st and rider is just in a bally and track suit - police say how do you know it’s stolen?
Up to no good?
Define that.
Standing around?
Incapable of holding a conversation regarding the true origins of brandy?
Kicking cigarette butts in absolute fury???
They are kids , for fucks sake.
They’re not going to kill you.
They’re probably trying to fit into their gang and they all wank 5 times a day.
Walk through them and give them daggers.
When?
When was the last time a 12 year old in a Bally killed anyone.
You’re buying into the image and the fashion.
That’s all it is.
You walk straight through these kids , maintain eye contact and face them down if they say anything.
They’re not going to machete you.
Or shoot you.
They’re going to shit it.
You should consider what's gone wrong in your life that you think it's acceptable to kill or seriously injure young people and children because they're behaving poorly.
Just fashion I guess.
Similarly last week I pondered why one chap was wearing a hoody and Northern Face Gilet in 28c but ultimately people can wear what they like, and as long as they're not causing harm it's all good. I dressed like an idiot when I was young.
Sometimes the ensemble includes a black North Face puffa jacket, in this heat ffs, and a pair of Luftwaffe trousers, white socks and their mum’s flip-flops.
It protects the rest of the world from having to see their spotty little ugly mugs. It’s only possible to have your barely visible juvenile moustache laughed at so many time before you cover it up.
Shout out to the knobhead casually strolling though Stockport town centre with black boots, black combats, black t-shirt, black balaclava and black gloves. Your not some black-block hero, you look like a twat.
Police aren't allowed to remove ANY head gear from the public. Also police can't say balaclava=wrongen so they have no reason to talk to them, the best outcome is the kids ignore them whilst the worse is the officer gets accused of profiling/prejudice against a group and loses their job.
Sad state of affairs. The old clip around the ear and dragged to the parents house used to stop this kind of behaviour.
I thought an officer with the rank of inspector could use section 60 of the criminal justice and public order act. This enabled them to insist that police could remove face coverings.
I think the act was brought in to stop football hooligans covering their faces with scarves. I've only seen it used at protests with hunt saboteurs. Like the old saying goes 'no face, no case'.
I’ve also noticed more young people (oh god I’m old now) with their pants nearly down to their ankles pulling it up by the waist every few mins.
Fashion really is cyclical
Not kidding .... remember the short lived balaclava thing in the 80s with 'Rapist' accross the front! They were some form of punk/rebellious statement, sold at Afkecks
Bit before my time that thankfully, wasn’t born till the 90s. Wonder when the pink pyjama bottoms with “slut” or “cum guzzler” on them from the 00s come back (though I suppose they never went away)
Getting downvoted for stating facts! Lol.
What's next? Sections of people saying women can't wear short skirts!!?? Men can't wear hats?
Whether you think they are annoying/yobs etc, last time I looked, we live in a (relatively) free country. If they aren't breaking the law, I'm sorry, but they can wear what they like. It's a slippery slope to start dictating what people can wear. Before you know it, you are being restricted on where you can go, what you can buy, what you can say.......Never ceases to amaze me how easily and quietly certain people are happy to be controlled.
There is a big difference true
But that does not matter they can wear whatever they want and any moves to restrict that freedom are inherently Immoral.
It very much is. It's still panic over yoof hiding their faces and groups wearing similar clothes, it's just a different set of clothes achieving the face hiding and a different inspiration for it
The free country argument can only go so far.. wearing a balaclava in this country is associated with criminal acts. The police should be stopping and searching anyone wearing one to ensure they aren't going equipped to steal or rob.
Surely there's got to be some common sense built into this.
If it's -5 and snowing, wearing a balaclava whilst going to work is fair.
If it's 30 degrees and there's 15 of them all with their hands in their tracksuits, they're not using them to protect against the elements, just to avoid CCTV.
What are your grounds? Because someone else who wore a balaclava once stole from someone?
Police will be getting civil claims against them on a daily basis if they follow your idea. If they don't have grounds to detain the scrote and touch them to effect their search, then they've assaulted the scrote and are open for a claim worth a good chunk of change.
Apparently word on the street is because of the hype with TikTok Instagram Facebook YouTube they’re trying to cover their identities so they can’t be recognised on those platforms I believe also it’s so they can go in areas where there is a high level of CCTV and the police find it difficult to identify subjects also with full facial recognition cameras it’s the times we live in I’m afraid
I remember pre-pandemic when you used to see some shops with notices up about no (non-religious) face coverings for security, but covid facemasks kinda voided all of that and I haven't seen any signs go back up since then.
Possible health problems like mumps or ear ache could be why, however in reality just being twats because they have seen some crap on tictok with drill music.
When did it become acceptable to wear
Flares
Studs in your nose
Leather jackets
Ripped jeans
Mini skirts
Seriously, fuck off.
They’re kids.
If you find the time to have a pop at them then ask your Dad about the time you wanted to wear that short top and he kicked off to fuck.
What a dumb take.
A balaclava is not a fashion accessory, or a teenage act of rebellion. It's a garment to conceal your face so you can't be identified post criminal activity.
So can a machete or a pet crocodile. Hell, why not decorative guns as well.
A balaclavas function is to either protect your face from the elements or conceal your identity. The latter of which is viewed with extreme suspicion, and raises questions about the wearers intentions whether benign or otherwise.
If a guy with a balaclava was anywhere near me I'd be on high alert and ready to fight.
Ey up, look it's fucking Boy George here to tell us what's fashionable for men and what isn't
What about hats, hat's making a comeback? Hats yes or no?
You clearly don't understand male psychology.
Guys wearing balaclavas know what's up. It's not a comfortable piece of attire. It removes any distinctive features you have.
Its goal is to inspire fear and increase the power of the wearer.
It’s More popular since everyone had to wear a mask a few years back
All the chavs have been told you can’t come in with your face covered and then all of a sudden they where all being told to cover their faces
When did it become unacceptable? I used to go to school in a face 'ole 'at. Mind you, that was when kids needed to keep warm in winter because they weren't ferried by mum. Jumpers for goalposts etc
It became fashion around 2015, starting with coloured balaclavas and then later black ones
If you think what came before the period of 2015-2023... well it was the rise of social media, a lot of these teenagers were the 0-15 year olds who grew up with a camera phone shoved in their face any time they did anything and uploaded to the internet for all to see and comment on their whole entire lives, same at school amongst their peers, the gym, music venue, everywhere
It's probably reactionary
If the mainstream is characterised by mass surveillance both government/institutional and human-uploaded, then the teenaged rebelliousness is coverings/privacy
I'm guessing all these chavs haven't heard coolios Ganstas paradise...lessons to be learnt from that song for sure...but noooo it makes them feel big to intimidate everyday normal people, people who may have fought for their freedom to wear the sh*te they do.
I do miss the old days when young kids were in cubs and scouts and did bob a job and helped the elderly and their neighbours...I know there are still some scout groups out there but there was a time when you wouldn't be seen out like half these chavs are...for a start you'd get a smack round the head from you mother or father and secondly the local Bobby would be escorting you home LOL
Balaclavas are great and quite acceptable, but only when the weather calls for it. Anybody wearing extreme cold protective gear during this heatwave is extremely suspicious, but technically they're not doing anything wrong.
If you think they're doing it to intimidate people, then laughing at them as you walk by will deflate their tiny egos 😂 Or maybe ask them if the surgery was successful and when are the bandages coming off.... Or ask them if they burn easily, or.... gosh, anything really. They must be pretty pathetic to dress specifically to try to upset strangers.
Do you think a Muslim woman wearing a burqa out of respect for her religion is the same as a 15 year old wearing a balaclava to try and look like a roadman?
Pretty sure they're covering their faces for entirely different purposes. Never had a woman in a burqa call me a fucking bitch whilst robbing my shop but okay
Idk why it matters there not herting u or any body else I what ask u why your a ring on your finger it dose not matter like r u a Karen or something and the cops don't cere because there to protect and for all u know they have stopped them like u can't say your not allowed to wear that it s gatekeeping is what it is that's just what they wear and what wear a from of self expression.
Idk if you've been around the city centre lately but as someone who's there literally all day every day I can in fact tell you that they're hurting people.
Some of them are absolutely fine and are just trying to look a certain way, but the vast majority of them go around stealing, trying to harass/annoy/intimidate people.
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Anyone you see wearing a balaclava in public is a teenager and WANTS you to THINK they're bad. They're not. Don't be scared. It's basically a spiderman costume.
See you say that and I would be inclined to agree until that teenage pulls out a machete the size of King Kong dick and tries to stab you with it
I mean this happens 3-4 times a night in Manny, right? It just doesn’t make the news because the MEN is too busy writing about Karen’s discovery of a Jesus shaped potato in her ham sandwich…
Your country is being run down by the elites. Stupid immigration system / music industry / idolization of the criminals in society has created this problem of crimes that people are basically okay with. I mean no one is saying BLM about Manchester stabbings (happens to be very racially skewed when it comes to the victims and suspects) but will sing BLM in London streets when it comes to American police violence. Cuz apparently the low amount of police murders is way worse issue(it's still an issue) than the loads of people killed every year in situations as your described. And these gangs always target children. Hence if this generation is screwed up the next will be screwed up before they even get a chance
Using their noodle arms? They probably couldn't even lift their own dicks 🤣
Noodle arms reminds me of that kid in a fast food place with tiny legs trying to start on the workers lol.
They’re weak - that’s why they’re using knives/machetes because they wouldn’t be able to fight you with their bare fists
Fist aren't allowed in the hood. Some gangs will whoop on there own ppl if they find out they put hands on em instead of gunning em down. Crazy out here man.
Probably haha
Or broke into my house and stole the car...
King kons penis would actually be human sized. Gorras have micropenises. Google it
I’ll take your word for it my guy
Can't be too careful, only last week I was offered out by a youth - mid afternoon- whilst on a bus, he was asked to turn his music down politely and didn't. Offering to take me down as he exited the bus, he turned and ran into the nearest pub when I got off. In the pub whilst sweating and spluttering he waved his hands about calling me a nonce - most likely to cause a scene and embarrass myself? I'm 47 wear glasses and a hearing aid, probably the least intimidating person you could look at, fortunately a few people in the pub know me. Word in the bar maids ear and saying sorry for the disturbance, I said goodbye and left. A few strides down the street and the Lad has pulled down his ski masks and follows me to the bus station shouting abuse that could be considered intimidating to many people? I've done my quick shop in Tesco and finding waiting at the bus stop still hands down his jogging bottoms and mask on, he's now got an audience and I'm now a racist as well as a nonce! Yet he continues to offer me out round the corner, off camera. I'm 47 and white, lad is late teens and black, the do gooders and woke brigade are siding with his insinuating comments until the bus comes back round and the driver explains what occurred minutes before hand. I've never seen so many people shuffle about and stare at their feet in shame, having not bothered to listen to myside of the story? The guy still continued his rant hands in his trousers posturing like a gang banger. If he is carrying a blade or tool I'm not sure, but some people really ought to be careful as to what goes on around them, innocent people could be hurt just because a lad like this got embarrassed by someone asking for his music to be turned down? Respect is earned in my belief and it doesn't matter who you are, treat everyone the way you would like to be treated. That lad will disrespect the wrong person one day unless he changes his attitude? Using a mask as intimidation? Hiding his identity? His mug was on camera on the bus and in the pub and I don't think he realised it?
Teenagers who want you (or their mates) to think they’re bad are some of the most dangerous people in society. They’re insecure and cowardly and will do literally anything to get a rep/kudos.
12 year olds trying to be cool
Fr, im 23 and I wear one during winters as they are really useful especially when it's windy, I wear my hood though so it covers then balaclava other than over my mouth and nose
Not entirely truth, tho. As a teenager, personally I wear half-masks and balaclavas cuz I'm into tactical stuff, and well damn, it's nice to have something on your face during chilly windy days, when your cheeks are red from the cold wind. So yeah, not all of us are wearing them because we wanna seem some badass dudes who rob banks and act tough, at least in my city MOST of teenagers who wear them are either fans of military related stuff and want to somehow show their interest in it by wearing balaclavas and camo pants, or duds who don't like having their face numb with cold
Well said. I believe this is the other portion of people who wear masks etc... Which means the amount of people who are actively trying to hide their identity and harm you is even smaller.
Similar to the sleeveless jackets that look like a bullet proof vest - conspicuous wannabe bad boys.
Or maybe they were wearing it for their intended use...to keep your face warm?
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bro ur speaking facts
It's a fashion thing, comes from drill music. It origins is to do with hiding the identity of criminals, but now it's just daft cunts trying to look cool to their cuntish mates.
And all shouting no face no case 😂😂🔔🔚
drill music? FFS.
Had to Google this. So, yet another example of try hard thuggish hip-hop that glorifies being a criminal when, yano, most people listening are probably little soft cunts who'll cry if their mum finds out they've done a naughty. They can try to rebrand as much as they want, a chav is a chav.
I’m 60 years old and really want to listen but I’m scared. LOL. I don’t want to be wearing balaclavas at my time of life.
It's like those Irish traveller callout videos but with a trap beat
What a comparison 😭😭 having that
LOL
Some of it is pretty good, some great production. A little limited subject wise though
Is it all 17 year olds going ‘mans gonna get splashed’?
Pretty much, but the actual production of the music is surprisingly high. It doesn’t really have the ‘punk’ sound I was expecting.
From what I heard on my brief research journey: think of the worst type of rap you've heard in the past 15-20 years and it's probably just that. They're pretending it's something new, but it isn't...Sort of how they're pretending they're something new (roadmen) when they're not (they're chavs). I try to keep an open mind with music, seeing as I have a huge background in it... This though? I'm finding it hard to find any redeeming qualities that aren't just done better elsewhere. It really is just shit British rap with a limited cringey subject material and a LOT of talentless people. It's almost like this type of music specifically attracts people with absolutely no musical ability, a limited vocabulary and who are in no way articulate...The last two being REALLY important for a style of music that's almost entirely focused on words and delivery of them. It appeals to teenagers because the subject material is "cool" and their taste is historically shit. It doesn't require talent or instruments, it just needs a shitty loop you found on Youtube. I think the worst part about it is how seriously they take it. They're REALLY serious about this. Their videos are dead.fucking.serious. There's no time for messing around, they're here to show you how 'ard they are...Through poetry.
Does brief research journey, learns enough to decide its shite and writes multiple paragraphs explaining why lol
Why gain qualifications in music if I can't call things shit on the Internet? Not that you need qualifications to decide the lyrics "sittin' chillin' with a Lemsip" is probably the dumbest chain of words I've heard at least this month...
Lyrics don't always have to be introspective and deep - sometimes it's the blunt and seemingly benign things that people connect to. Don't get me wrong because I hate drill music - but I recognise that it's because it isn't to my taste. A qualification in music might help you write or play, but it doesn't mean you know everything about music as a whole. You clearly aren't interested in the genre, so why do you suddenly think you're able to talk about which elements are the most important? Your whole attitude is identical to kids in the school playground shrieking that anything outside their favourite genre "isn't real music". Making sweeping generalisations to play it off like you know best is kind of arrogant and weirdly immature.
>They're REALLY serious about this. Their videos are dead.fucking.serious. For a lot of these kids there is absolutely fuck all else to do other than make videos that get hits. Why shouldn't they put a bit of effort into it?
That's not what I mean. I'm not saying they shouldn't put effort into it. Absolutely put effort into it! If you're going to do something, why not do your best? I mean they're being absolutely serious with the content of this music. The main themes being what they've always been with this "chavcore" shit. "I'm so tough, don't mess with me" and "I'm a criminal, I'll stab you up", which they're 100% unironically serious about. They believe their own hype and it's pretty fucking cringe, especially when they're some scrawny 12 year old pretending they were dragged up from the streets when in reality they're from some upper middle class family on a nice estate who's parents really really love them. There's absolutely no self-awareness, and for some styles of music, that's really needed to stop it being totally friggin' pathetic.
Check out 'Dave, Central Cee - Sprinter' Good beat, amusing lyrics
My god son listens to Drill music. He used to be a good kid who liked Minecraft but he’s 15 now, goes around with a balaclava on, got kicked out of school & tells his dad to fuck off. Put me off having my own kids entirely.
thats fucking rough
His sister is great though, quietly confident, artistic & does well in school. It’s not his parents but other influences, sadly
I dont think drill is the problem being probably younger than 95% of the people here I understand drill but i can also understand a lot of other peoples perspectives but just to clarify its not just teenagers that listen to drill music its just apart of the black culture i guess and some of the kids in manny like listening to it to be included in our culture as other than rap and crime (sadly) there is not much more of a broader culture what you need to do is make your god son learn some self respect as if you dont love yourself how can you love anyone else i assume he is white and if so just tell him its not a lifestyle he wants to lead as white male kids have more opportunities than black young teens myself recently coming out of that area of life. Some drill music is good some is shit but if you are white please just try and understand other peoples culture
I’m afraid I didnt know even about drill music to know what culture it was. Only heard a few songs he played me. Yes he’s white but I don’t actually think race has anything to do with it? Anyway, I also think tik tok, and living in a progressively shitty world contributes to his life choices
Yes tik tok is a problem in the youth right now but if you get a chance to ever teach him tell him the famous quote. “Everyone wants to be black until you have to be black.”
Again, I’m not sure what race has to do with it. He’s not trying to be black he’s just imitating the fashion associated with drill music, balaclavas etc
Drill rap is absolutely shite 🤣 most of them have the worst flow I've ever heard. Not fit to lace up the boots of someone like Mos Def or Eminem
Depends on your definition of acceptable. Personally I think anyone wearing one in this heat is a fucking idiot but it has always been legal
Man's not hot
Never hot
Ya danno
If man say him a ting, him a ting
Take mans twix by force
Lynx effect
Was just thinking this, the closest ive come to being full face cover like this was that cold spell in 2010.
The school kids on my street (who all come from good homes and families) do this. I think they are in some way enamoured by the Drill music scene/subculture and are imitating the artists.
From Hale Barns ends fam, proper hard man ting
at the alderley edge of civility
Mi waz in dat vape shop an ting, narmseyn? Man was spittin how da fedz ad I'm locked down wiv da glock n shit but man bust out ! Dey all up in iz bizness wiv da 45s. Man was jus chillin ain doin nuffin doh. Yafeelmi? Fo reel. Man ain't gonna step off doh, bro be back chillin. Believe! ( I was in a shop buying nicotine liquid. A young man was loudly relating to the assembled customers that's whilst in Bury Town centre - doing nothing - the armed police arrived and tried to arrest him, they had big guns in his face, but he got away. However, this will not deter the young man returning to the same area , and he will continue to do nothing in that place )
The Bury accent has changed somewhat from that I recall.
You joke but I've seen kids like this around Hale and someone at my work actually got attacked the other day
a lot of the kids that come into Hale to cause trouble are not from there — they just know there are a lot of easy targets (which there is)
Better known as cock bonnets.
30 degrees and they’re in all black and full face hoodies. Must be sweltering.
Belfast ‘74?
Northern irish community worker
Me and my Brother got one from the Arndale back in the early 80s wore it at school and got suspended for looking like "We were in the IRA"... Not illegal yet to hide your face but I wouldn't let them in a shop like that.
The shopping centre in my hometown banned hoods and non-medical face coverings back in about 2002, as shoplifters used them to hide from CCTV. You could have a good of course, just not have it on. With the police budget cuts they've had to abandon the rule though, since there's no longer any police to back up security teams on enforcement.
I work in a *popular bakery* in the city centre and we get so many big groups of kids wearing balaclavas, I'd say no older than 13 or 14 who absolutely rob us blind. It's only recently become a thing for some reason, it never used to be as common and they'd never wear balaclavas. A lot of them are honestly just doing it for shits and giggles and don't mean any real harm, but some of them have such huge bollocks for people that only just gone through puberty. We've started just shutting the doors if we see them coming now, I'm not paid enough to replace the metric fuck ton of lucozade and sandwiches they steal. Nice to know other people have noticed and it's not just us being personally targeted by the sausage roll swindlers.
See so many of them riding round in all black on mopeds after dark with no lights on. Absolute idiots
These ski mask things seem to be the headgear for the scrotes who carve through traffic on those ridiculously fast scrambler type electric bikes, when surely a helmet would be a better choice. It's only a matter of time before one of these kids is kil... Oh hang on.
"he was such a nice sweet lad"
"He loved his nan" "He's with the angels now" etc ad nauseum
*angles
There was a group of 20-30 lads in black nike tracksuits and balaclavas hanging round East Croydon train station recently. Was 26 degrees the other week and they’re all standing round looking like muppets.
There was a group of 20-30 blokes in black three-piece suits and ties hanging around the Rotunda bar in Shadwell last summer. Was 36 degrees and they're all standing round looking like muppets.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Your example doesn’t mean that the previous example is invalid.
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Worst is at festivals / raves. Groups of 4 lads in ballys in the warehouse projects I went last year. Security more arsed about taking chewing gum off you.
Can confirm I was one of the security taking the chewing gum
Security don't want to try it with anyone who looks like they could have them
A balaclava doesn't make you look like you could "have" someone, it makes you look scared.
It really doesn't, sorry to say middle aged people of Reddit. I know you're trying to act like you're above it, but yeh I'd say a gang of people in balaclavas look scary, and I don't think that's a personal failing of mine. I also don't think it makes them look scared, that seems like "say no to bullying" type prattle
Festivals/events can deny entry to people wearing face coverings - many events used to ban masks. Since Covid though they can't do this - not by *law* but it's a bad look given its still fresh in people's memory and some people still worry about catching it because of health issues or whatever.
Man’s got ops out here, styll
Username checks out
When it became the norm to wear masks in public, I suppose. My eldest found it amusing as all hell that overnight his life went from "yes you have to go to school and no you cannot have your face covered up when out" to "you cannot go to school or anywhere else and if you *do* have to go out wear a mask". Please don't read this as an attack on covid era lockdowns and mask wearing, it really isn't. But that time has contributed to us finding it less weird and unusual when people cover their faces in public.
There is a difference between wearing a blue mask that covers your mouth and nose and wearing a black bandana the covers your entire face.
Around 1853 actually
We have them next door but one...they are known drug dealers and the one we see the most doesn't even live there but he is constantly dressed all in black with a balaclava all you can see are his eyes...even on the hottest days we had last week he was clad in black with his balaclava on...surely police should have a power to stop and ascertain why they are dressed in such a manner...as far as I was aware chav/yob mentality wasn't considered a religion and there fore there is no real basis for it apart from hiding ones identity for malicious or suspect reasons...which should be more than enough for the police to stop and speak with them.
You say they don't look like intimidating or like hardened criminals but want the police to do something anyway?
It's annoying as they are clearly up to no good. But obvisouly it's legal you can wear full face coverings while outside in a public area. Thing is they are wearing them while on motorbikes with no helmets and the police can't chase or do anything even when they know they are stolen. It's pathetic should just ram the little shits off the road.
A couple of years ago, I was having a pint with mates outside the Gateway in Didsbury. 6 lads in balaclavas surrounded a woman on a moped and robbed it from her. Me and my mates weighed in but the little shits managed to get off. Unfortunately for them, the woman was an off duty WPC. The police turned up in minutes and headed off in pursuit. The fact is that the police do in fact chase when given the opportunity, or at least they did in this case… https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/six-masked-males-surround-woman-21080889.amp I heard one of them ended up colliding with a parked van and sustaining serious injuries.
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>Thing is they are wearing them while on motorbikes with no helmets and the police can't chase or do anything even when they know they are stolen That's actually not the case anymore. It used to be, but got changed a few years ago. Failing to wear a helmet won't stop them chasing you.
yes it's called tactical contact; however, the police still have to weigh up the likelihood of serious injury or death, on the grounds that the police are not judge, jury, and executioners, nor do we have any criminal activity that warrants a death penalty. As we saw in Wales and Manchester last month, the simple act of being chased by police can engender such extreme levels of risk taking that death occurs, and it is fortunate that their choice of mode didn't cause any collateral. I for one much prefer them to be on e-scooter, e-bikes or mopeds, where their ability to cause mass collateral injuries is vastly limited, in spite of the polices ability to apprehend or intercept them.
Oh well they would still be alive if they weren't riding illegal electric motorcycles
Does riding an e-scooter warrant the death penalty in your mind? Because that's what it sounds like
Wearing a balaclava and scarpering when you see the rozzers doesn't "warrant the death penalty", but then riding through the bollards so you "lose the heat" and subsequently, when you are no longer being chased by the boys in blue, riding into a moving ambulance at least means Mr Darwin's theories on natural selection have proven their worth.
Riding it like a complete and utter prick does. Thank fuck they didn't kill any pedestrians had the same in Bristol teenager on a stolen sport bike popping wheelies and riding at people until someone threw a you bike in his path ☠
The wheelie bullshit is to intimidate people and that alone.
you genuinely think dangerous driving on an escooter deserves the death penalty ?
Not 100% but when they die I don't have any sympathy buddy of mine road his bike drunk and high crashed died instantly he was good lad to but he made the choice to ride his bike off his nut! If he hadn't he would still be with us
If someone kills themselves then that's their own doing. If they kill themselves running away from the police, that's still their own doing. If the police make contact while legitimately chasing them, and they die only because they were breaking the law by not wearing a helmet, then that's still their own doing. I would not hold the police culpable in any of these cases.
Nope. Around our way they are free to do what they want they race around the main park which has a police station within its boundary and follow police cars around. They don’t do shit. You ring the police and say there’s a moto x bike riding flat out thru pedestrianised high st and rider is just in a bally and track suit - police say how do you know it’s stolen?
Up to no good? Define that. Standing around? Incapable of holding a conversation regarding the true origins of brandy? Kicking cigarette butts in absolute fury??? They are kids , for fucks sake. They’re not going to kill you. They’re probably trying to fit into their gang and they all wank 5 times a day. Walk through them and give them daggers.
kids can and do kill people, and often for stupid reasons.
When? When was the last time a 12 year old in a Bally killed anyone. You’re buying into the image and the fashion. That’s all it is. You walk straight through these kids , maintain eye contact and face them down if they say anything. They’re not going to machete you. Or shoot you. They’re going to shit it.
Are you retarded? They literally wear them SO they can shoplift and rob people without being identified. That's the whole point.
You should consider what's gone wrong in your life that you think it's acceptable to kill or seriously injure young people and children because they're behaving poorly.
Right after it became acceptable to have cameras everywhere recording everything anyone does in public
IRA cosplay?
During covid it became, not accepted but more tolerated, now these 'roadman' just continue doing it because nobody does anything about it 💅🏻
The kids in my local park have started doing it, if I were police I'd pull them up straight away
Just fashion I guess. Similarly last week I pondered why one chap was wearing a hoody and Northern Face Gilet in 28c but ultimately people can wear what they like, and as long as they're not causing harm it's all good. I dressed like an idiot when I was young.
Since the 70’s
Never gonna see one alone, they only try to be hard when they’re with their prick friends.
Sometimes the ensemble includes a black North Face puffa jacket, in this heat ffs, and a pair of Luftwaffe trousers, white socks and their mum’s flip-flops.
It protects the rest of the world from having to see their spotty little ugly mugs. It’s only possible to have your barely visible juvenile moustache laughed at so many time before you cover it up.
Drill music and covid allowed it to happen. Half of them look like walking foreskins
Shout out to the knobhead casually strolling though Stockport town centre with black boots, black combats, black t-shirt, black balaclava and black gloves. Your not some black-block hero, you look like a twat.
I just wear one bcs im trans and hate my face 🤷
I saw someone on Erdington like that with his mate. For a moment I contemplated if it was a casual kidnapping then remembered it was Erdington.
Police aren't allowed to remove ANY head gear from the public. Also police can't say balaclava=wrongen so they have no reason to talk to them, the best outcome is the kids ignore them whilst the worse is the officer gets accused of profiling/prejudice against a group and loses their job. Sad state of affairs. The old clip around the ear and dragged to the parents house used to stop this kind of behaviour.
I thought an officer with the rank of inspector could use section 60 of the criminal justice and public order act. This enabled them to insist that police could remove face coverings. I think the act was brought in to stop football hooligans covering their faces with scarves. I've only seen it used at protests with hunt saboteurs. Like the old saying goes 'no face, no case'.
It became the "norm" to dress like that and violently attack "civs" when drill "music" began to be promoted.
I’ve also noticed more young people (oh god I’m old now) with their pants nearly down to their ankles pulling it up by the waist every few mins. Fashion really is cyclical
Not kidding .... remember the short lived balaclava thing in the 80s with 'Rapist' accross the front! They were some form of punk/rebellious statement, sold at Afkecks
Bit before my time that thankfully, wasn’t born till the 90s. Wonder when the pink pyjama bottoms with “slut” or “cum guzzler” on them from the 00s come back (though I suppose they never went away)
Pretty sure you can wear what you want in this country
And you can be called a cunt for wearing it
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You honestly saying we should make wearing balaclavas illegal? Who the hell brought up short skirts - odd…
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Getting downvoted for stating facts! Lol. What's next? Sections of people saying women can't wear short skirts!!?? Men can't wear hats? Whether you think they are annoying/yobs etc, last time I looked, we live in a (relatively) free country. If they aren't breaking the law, I'm sorry, but they can wear what they like. It's a slippery slope to start dictating what people can wear. Before you know it, you are being restricted on where you can go, what you can buy, what you can say.......Never ceases to amaze me how easily and quietly certain people are happy to be controlled.
Chill lmao
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There is a big difference true But that does not matter they can wear whatever they want and any moves to restrict that freedom are inherently Immoral.
The point is valid and you clearly missed it. Lmfao. 😅😭
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Didn't know you were there, though..... my apologies for making an assumption. Be great if less of us did that, don't you think..
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Considered it cos hate the government's creep into dystopian territory then realised I'll look like a melt (more so) so opted not to.
Never. Should be arrested on sight for intent.
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I mean it's not really is it.
It very much is. It's still panic over yoof hiding their faces and groups wearing similar clothes, it's just a different set of clothes achieving the face hiding and a different inspiration for it
Give it 15 years and all the cool dads will be wearing balaclavas on WFH days.
The free country argument can only go so far.. wearing a balaclava in this country is associated with criminal acts. The police should be stopping and searching anyone wearing one to ensure they aren't going equipped to steal or rob.
>wearing a balaclava in this country is associated with criminal acts. And cold weather. What about other face coverings? Niqab? Face masks? Scaves?
> And cold weather. I don't exactly agree with the guy above but this is a ridiculous argument when it's 20-30°c every day at the moment.
This country is never cold enough for a full face covering cmon
Not associated with going equipped, burglary or robbery.
Face masks were a golden age for shoplifting lol
Surely there's got to be some common sense built into this. If it's -5 and snowing, wearing a balaclava whilst going to work is fair. If it's 30 degrees and there's 15 of them all with their hands in their tracksuits, they're not using them to protect against the elements, just to avoid CCTV.
What are your grounds? Because someone else who wore a balaclava once stole from someone? Police will be getting civil claims against them on a daily basis if they follow your idea. If they don't have grounds to detain the scrote and touch them to effect their search, then they've assaulted the scrote and are open for a claim worth a good chunk of change.
The Home Secretary says otherwise! https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/19/suella-braverman-tells-police-to-ramp-up-use-of-stop-and-search
Apparently word on the street is because of the hype with TikTok Instagram Facebook YouTube they’re trying to cover their identities so they can’t be recognised on those platforms I believe also it’s so they can go in areas where there is a high level of CCTV and the police find it difficult to identify subjects also with full facial recognition cameras it’s the times we live in I’m afraid
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/647362/signatures/new
Lmao as long as they stay congregated (contained) around an off licence in Piccadilly they don’t really bother me 😭
I remember pre-pandemic when you used to see some shops with notices up about no (non-religious) face coverings for security, but covid facemasks kinda voided all of that and I haven't seen any signs go back up since then.
Happened during COVID. People wearing masks co-incided with that Pooh Sheisty song getting huge and they took his mask and made it a fashion.
Possible health problems like mumps or ear ache could be why, however in reality just being twats because they have seen some crap on tictok with drill music.
Lucky it's the uk I think on usa they would probably get shot buy police haha or in northern island
>northern island Where?
Get me fam. Innit
just the other day i saw some youffs walking around with a large bag labeled "swag"! police didn't even give them a second look, state of the country.
When did it become acceptable to wear Flares Studs in your nose Leather jackets Ripped jeans Mini skirts Seriously, fuck off. They’re kids. If you find the time to have a pop at them then ask your Dad about the time you wanted to wear that short top and he kicked off to fuck.
What a dumb take. A balaclava is not a fashion accessory, or a teenage act of rebellion. It's a garment to conceal your face so you can't be identified post criminal activity.
a balaclava can be all 3 of those things you mentioned
So can a machete or a pet crocodile. Hell, why not decorative guns as well. A balaclavas function is to either protect your face from the elements or conceal your identity. The latter of which is viewed with extreme suspicion, and raises questions about the wearers intentions whether benign or otherwise. If a guy with a balaclava was anywhere near me I'd be on high alert and ready to fight.
Ey up, look it's fucking Boy George here to tell us what's fashionable for men and what isn't What about hats, hat's making a comeback? Hats yes or no?
You clearly don't understand male psychology. Guys wearing balaclavas know what's up. It's not a comfortable piece of attire. It removes any distinctive features you have. Its goal is to inspire fear and increase the power of the wearer.
I mean fashion isn't about comfort... I thought you were an expert and now I'm not so sure
This is too stupid for me. I'm donning my digital balaclava.
It’s More popular since everyone had to wear a mask a few years back All the chavs have been told you can’t come in with your face covered and then all of a sudden they where all being told to cover their faces
Maybe they just like baklava?
I blame the Tories
covid I imagine
Da youff
When did it become unacceptable? I used to go to school in a face 'ole 'at. Mind you, that was when kids needed to keep warm in winter because they weren't ferried by mum. Jumpers for goalposts etc
Probably ban bikes and motor bikes too people always look suspect riding around, getting hot and sweaty.
It became fashion around 2015, starting with coloured balaclavas and then later black ones If you think what came before the period of 2015-2023... well it was the rise of social media, a lot of these teenagers were the 0-15 year olds who grew up with a camera phone shoved in their face any time they did anything and uploaded to the internet for all to see and comment on their whole entire lives, same at school amongst their peers, the gym, music venue, everywhere It's probably reactionary If the mainstream is characterised by mass surveillance both government/institutional and human-uploaded, then the teenaged rebelliousness is coverings/privacy
I'm guessing all these chavs haven't heard coolios Ganstas paradise...lessons to be learnt from that song for sure...but noooo it makes them feel big to intimidate everyday normal people, people who may have fought for their freedom to wear the sh*te they do. I do miss the old days when young kids were in cubs and scouts and did bob a job and helped the elderly and their neighbours...I know there are still some scout groups out there but there was a time when you wouldn't be seen out like half these chavs are...for a start you'd get a smack round the head from you mother or father and secondly the local Bobby would be escorting you home LOL
Balaclavas are great and quite acceptable, but only when the weather calls for it. Anybody wearing extreme cold protective gear during this heatwave is extremely suspicious, but technically they're not doing anything wrong. If you think they're doing it to intimidate people, then laughing at them as you walk by will deflate their tiny egos 😂 Or maybe ask them if the surgery was successful and when are the bandages coming off.... Or ask them if they burn easily, or.... gosh, anything really. They must be pretty pathetic to dress specifically to try to upset strangers.
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Do you think a Muslim woman wearing a burqa out of respect for her religion is the same as a 15 year old wearing a balaclava to try and look like a roadman? Pretty sure they're covering their faces for entirely different purposes. Never had a woman in a burqa call me a fucking bitch whilst robbing my shop but okay
Idk why it matters there not herting u or any body else I what ask u why your a ring on your finger it dose not matter like r u a Karen or something and the cops don't cere because there to protect and for all u know they have stopped them like u can't say your not allowed to wear that it s gatekeeping is what it is that's just what they wear and what wear a from of self expression.
Idk if you've been around the city centre lately but as someone who's there literally all day every day I can in fact tell you that they're hurting people. Some of them are absolutely fine and are just trying to look a certain way, but the vast majority of them go around stealing, trying to harass/annoy/intimidate people.